WEBVTT 00:00:06.854 --> 00:00:11.104 All right members over there get settled back in. 00:00:14.550 --> 00:00:18.390 We are going to move to item number 12, on the agenda. 00:00:18.390 --> 00:00:20.490 The Committee of the Full board, 00:00:20.490 --> 00:00:23.670 which is consideration of the Commissioner of Education's 00:00:23.670 --> 00:00:27.510 Generation 25 Open Enrollment Charter School proposals. 00:00:27.510 --> 00:00:31.220 This is on page I.95 of your agenda, 00:00:31.220 --> 00:00:33.750 and I'm gonna turn it over to Mr. Rowley. 00:00:33.750 --> 00:00:34.670 Thank you, Mr. Chair, 00:00:34.670 --> 00:00:36.450 the Committee of the Full board recommends 00:00:36.450 --> 00:00:38.910 that the State Board of Education review, 00:00:38.910 --> 00:00:41.310 and take no action on the following proposed 00:00:41.310 --> 00:00:45.810 generation 25 Subchapter D, open enrollment charter schools 00:00:45.810 --> 00:00:50.190 scheduled to open in the 2021/2022 school year. 00:00:50.190 --> 00:00:52.280 Brilliante Academy, McAllen, 00:00:52.280 --> 00:00:55.230 CLEAR Public Charter School, San Marcos, 00:00:55.230 --> 00:00:57.896 Doral Academy of Texas Buda. 00:00:57.896 --> 00:01:00.870 Learn4Life Austin, Austin, 00:01:00.870 --> 00:01:04.540 Prelude Preparatory Charter School, San Antonio, 00:01:04.540 --> 00:01:06.923 and Royal Public Schools, San Antonio. 00:01:08.310 --> 00:01:09.640 Okay. 00:01:09.640 --> 00:01:11.410 I think ideally what I would like to do 00:01:11.410 --> 00:01:13.208 is to do what we did yesterday 00:01:13.208 --> 00:01:14.810 and vote on these individually. 00:01:14.810 --> 00:01:15.643 Okay. 00:01:16.520 --> 00:01:18.523 So, at that point, our next step is? 00:01:19.861 --> 00:01:21.825 To- 00:01:21.825 --> 00:01:23.320 To vote on them individually. 00:01:23.320 --> 00:01:24.153 All right. 00:01:24.153 --> 00:01:29.020 So, at the next step would be to bring up the first one, 00:01:31.052 --> 00:01:32.040 and two and to take the vote. 00:01:32.040 --> 00:01:35.200 And is it your intention to do them by roll again? 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:36.570 It's not mine, 00:01:36.570 --> 00:01:38.193 but if someone asks for a roll call, vote. 00:01:39.437 --> 00:01:41.186 Roll call vote (indistinct) 00:01:41.186 --> 00:01:44.353 Roll call, those has been requested. 00:01:49.093 --> 00:01:49.926 Okay- Yeah. 00:01:49.926 --> 00:01:52.240 So- Next step is to ... 00:01:52.240 --> 00:01:54.410 So, the first question before you sir, 00:01:54.410 --> 00:01:56.330 would be the motion to review 00:01:56.330 --> 00:02:01.330 and take no action on Brilliante Academy of McAllen. 00:02:01.600 --> 00:02:06.390 Okay, so the first one and for clarification, a yes vote, 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:11.393 is for the charter to succeed, and to move on, 00:02:12.660 --> 00:02:17.660 and no vote is for us to reject the charter, 00:02:17.740 --> 00:02:19.660 in essentially veto. 00:02:19.660 --> 00:02:21.670 Okay, say (indistinct). 00:02:21.670 --> 00:02:25.643 A yes vote, would be for the charter to succeed. 00:02:28.390 --> 00:02:31.623 A no vote would be for the charter to fail. 00:02:32.980 --> 00:02:33.823 Okay. 00:02:33.823 --> 00:02:34.656 Is that clear? 00:02:34.656 --> 00:02:35.520 Yes, sir. 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:36.960 Mr. Cortez. 00:02:36.960 --> 00:02:40.970 So if we're doing it like we did yesterday, 00:02:40.970 --> 00:02:42.880 if it doesn't succeed, 00:02:42.880 --> 00:02:46.260 do we then have to go back in and vote again for a veto? 00:02:46.260 --> 00:02:47.319 So- Yes. 00:02:47.319 --> 00:02:48.152 It'll be a double vote like yesterday? 00:02:48.152 --> 00:02:49.030 Yes. 00:02:50.510 --> 00:02:51.343 Okay. 00:02:56.784 --> 00:02:57.617 All right. 00:02:57.617 --> 00:03:00.530 If we're ready then I will ask staff to call the roll. 00:03:00.530 --> 00:03:01.877 Just take one minute. 00:03:10.363 --> 00:03:12.572 Okay. 00:03:12.572 --> 00:03:15.019 Perez. 00:03:15.019 --> 00:03:16.852 No. 00:03:16.852 --> 00:03:17.701 Cortez. 00:03:17.701 --> 00:03:19.249 No. 00:03:19.249 --> 00:03:20.200 Perez-Diaz. 00:03:20.200 --> 00:03:21.073 No. 00:03:21.073 --> 00:03:22.035 Allen. 00:03:22.035 --> 00:03:23.261 Yes. 00:03:23.261 --> 00:03:24.094 I'm sorry. 00:03:24.094 --> 00:03:24.927 Yeah. 00:03:24.927 --> 00:03:25.760 Thank you, Mercer. 00:03:25.760 --> 00:03:26.593 Yes. 00:03:26.593 --> 00:03:27.987 Bahorich. 00:03:27.987 --> 00:03:29.208 Yes. 00:03:29.208 --> 00:03:30.151 Robinson. 00:03:30.151 --> 00:03:31.143 No. 00:03:31.143 --> 00:03:31.976 Cargill. 00:03:31.976 --> 00:03:32.809 Yes. 00:03:32.809 --> 00:03:35.078 Maynard. 00:03:35.078 --> 00:03:36.404 Yes. 00:03:36.404 --> 00:03:37.295 Hardy. 00:03:37.295 --> 00:03:38.189 Yes. 00:03:38.189 --> 00:03:39.171 Little. 00:03:39.171 --> 00:03:41.018 Yes. 00:03:41.018 --> 00:03:42.901 Davis. 00:03:42.901 --> 00:03:44.533 No. 00:03:44.533 --> 00:03:45.718 Melton-Malone. 00:03:45.718 --> 00:03:46.852 [Ms. Melton-Malone] Yes. 00:03:46.852 --> 00:03:47.685 Rowley. 00:03:47.685 --> 00:03:49.268 Yes. 00:03:52.225 --> 00:03:56.258 Six, seven, eight, nine to five. 00:03:56.258 --> 00:04:01.008 So, Brilliante has succeeded on a vote of nine to five. 00:04:04.703 --> 00:04:08.286 We will next take the same action on Clear. 00:04:09.380 --> 00:04:14.023 I do wanna make a comment before if it's appropriate. 00:04:14.023 --> 00:04:18.163 Normally of course, I vote at the end of the time of this. 00:04:18.163 --> 00:04:20.397 because I'm voting out of order. 00:04:20.397 --> 00:04:21.507 I do want to let members know, 00:04:21.507 --> 00:04:23.578 I'm changing my vote on this one. 00:04:23.578 --> 00:04:25.671 So, we will go ahead and take the role. 00:04:25.671 --> 00:04:26.508 Okay. 00:04:26.508 --> 00:04:27.341 Perez. 00:04:28.806 --> 00:04:30.338 No. 00:04:30.338 --> 00:04:31.651 Cortez. 00:04:31.651 --> 00:04:33.012 No. 00:04:33.012 --> 00:04:34.001 Perez-Diaz. 00:04:34.001 --> 00:04:35.071 No. 00:04:35.071 --> 00:04:36.017 Allen. 00:04:36.017 --> 00:04:38.117 Yes. 00:04:38.117 --> 00:04:39.081 Mercer. 00:04:39.081 --> 00:04:40.129 Yes. 00:04:40.129 --> 00:04:41.248 Bahorich. 00:04:41.248 --> 00:04:42.292 Bahorich] Yes. 00:04:42.292 --> 00:04:43.269 Robinson. 00:04:43.269 --> 00:04:44.371 No. 00:04:44.371 --> 00:04:45.390 Cargill. 00:04:45.390 --> 00:04:46.313 Yes. 00:04:46.313 --> 00:04:47.237 Maynard. 00:04:47.237 --> 00:04:48.281 Yes. 00:04:48.281 --> 00:04:49.195 Hardy. 00:04:49.195 --> 00:04:50.073 Yes. 00:04:50.073 --> 00:04:50.938 Little. 00:04:50.938 --> 00:04:52.164 No. 00:04:52.164 --> 00:04:53.344 Davis. 00:04:53.344 --> 00:04:54.206 No. 00:04:54.206 --> 00:04:55.615 Melton-Malone. 00:04:55.615 --> 00:04:56.692 [Ms. Melton-Malone] No. 00:04:56.692 --> 00:04:57.571 Rowley. 00:04:57.571 --> 00:04:58.610 Yes. 00:04:58.610 --> 00:05:02.000 (paper flipping) 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:04.404 (indistinct) of that, (indistinct). 00:05:04.404 --> 00:05:08.237 Three, four, five, six, whoa! 00:05:10.913 --> 00:05:11.746 I didn't have a mic. Seven. 00:05:11.746 --> 00:05:13.311 I didn't have my microphone and that was a no for me. 00:05:13.311 --> 00:05:14.144 Okay. 00:05:14.144 --> 00:05:15.394 Seven to eight. 00:05:21.507 --> 00:05:22.789 Correct, is that correct? 00:05:22.789 --> 00:05:24.329 Seven, eight, yeah. 00:05:24.329 --> 00:05:25.179 So, motion fails. (clears throat) 00:05:25.179 --> 00:05:28.389 So Clear, fails on a vote of seven to eight. 00:05:28.389 --> 00:05:30.722 We'll move to Doral Academy. 00:05:35.842 --> 00:05:38.436 Perez. 00:05:38.436 --> 00:05:39.931 No. 00:05:39.931 --> 00:05:40.995 Cortez. 00:05:40.995 --> 00:05:42.224 No. 00:05:42.224 --> 00:05:43.493 Perez-Diaz. 00:05:43.493 --> 00:05:45.634 No. 00:05:45.634 --> 00:05:46.496 Allen. 00:05:46.496 --> 00:05:47.578 Yes. 00:05:47.578 --> 00:05:48.411 Mercer. 00:05:48.411 --> 00:05:51.738 It's in my district, a very strong yes. 00:05:51.738 --> 00:05:53.760 Bahorich. 00:05:53.760 --> 00:05:55.287 Yes. 00:05:55.287 --> 00:05:56.477 Robinson. 00:05:56.477 --> 00:05:57.540 No. 00:05:57.540 --> 00:05:58.373 Cargill. 00:05:58.373 --> 00:05:59.375 Yes. 00:05:59.375 --> 00:06:00.208 Maynard. 00:06:00.208 --> 00:06:01.155 Yes. 00:06:01.155 --> 00:06:01.988 Hardy. 00:06:01.988 --> 00:06:02.881 Yes. 00:06:02.881 --> 00:06:03.714 Little. 00:06:03.714 --> 00:06:04.650 No. 00:06:04.650 --> 00:06:05.564 Davis. 00:06:05.564 --> 00:06:06.398 No. 00:06:06.398 --> 00:06:07.482 Melton-Malone. 00:06:07.482 --> 00:06:08.669 [Ms. Melton-Malone] No. 00:06:08.669 --> 00:06:09.502 Rowley. 00:06:09.502 --> 00:06:10.782 Yes. 00:06:10.782 --> 00:06:11.615 Yes. 00:06:13.833 --> 00:06:15.576 That's a yes for me. 00:06:15.576 --> 00:06:17.041 Ellis, yes. 00:06:17.041 --> 00:06:21.708 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight to seven. 00:06:27.048 --> 00:06:28.318 The next (indistinct)- 00:06:28.318 --> 00:06:29.278 Yeah. (coughs) 00:06:29.278 --> 00:06:31.445 Next will be Learn4Life. 00:06:32.603 --> 00:06:33.523 (indistinct)- It's all right. 00:06:33.523 --> 00:06:34.518 I'm sorry. 00:06:34.518 --> 00:06:35.738 Well that wasn't part 00:06:35.738 --> 00:06:37.009 of the original motion. 00:06:37.009 --> 00:06:39.053 So he's right, it's Learn4Life. 00:06:39.053 --> 00:06:42.053 Learn4Life is next on this motion. 00:06:45.550 --> 00:06:48.758 So, for Learn4Life, Perez. 00:06:48.758 --> 00:06:51.143 Absolutely no. 00:06:51.143 --> 00:06:52.177 Cortez. 00:06:52.177 --> 00:06:53.677 No. 00:06:54.862 --> 00:06:55.826 Perez-Diaz. 00:06:55.826 --> 00:06:57.468 No. 00:06:57.468 --> 00:06:58.301 Allen. 00:06:58.301 --> 00:06:59.134 Yes. 00:06:59.134 --> 00:06:59.967 Mercer. 00:06:59.967 --> 00:07:00.800 Yes. 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:02.989 Bahorich. 00:07:02.989 --> 00:07:03.985 Yes. 00:07:03.985 --> 00:07:05.442 Robinson. 00:07:05.442 --> 00:07:06.505 No. 00:07:06.505 --> 00:07:07.338 Cargill. 00:07:07.338 --> 00:07:08.171 Yes. 00:07:08.171 --> 00:07:09.004 Maynard. 00:07:09.004 --> 00:07:10.022 Yes. 00:07:10.022 --> 00:07:10.855 Hardy. 00:07:10.855 --> 00:07:11.769 Yes. 00:07:11.769 --> 00:07:12.623 Little. 00:07:12.623 --> 00:07:13.825 Yes. 00:07:13.825 --> 00:07:14.658 Davis. 00:07:14.658 --> 00:07:15.743 No. 00:07:15.743 --> 00:07:16.772 Melton-Malone. 00:07:16.772 --> 00:07:17.952 [Ms. Melton-Malone] Yes. 00:07:17.952 --> 00:07:18.785 Rowely. 00:07:18.785 --> 00:07:20.452 Yes. 00:07:22.840 --> 00:07:25.883 Six, seven, eight, nine to five. 00:07:28.687 --> 00:07:31.407 Learn4Life succeeds, on a vote of nine to five. 00:07:32.606 --> 00:07:35.006 Next will be Prelude Preparatory Charter School. 00:07:38.080 --> 00:07:38.990 Which one? 00:07:38.990 --> 00:07:40.424 Prelude- Prelude. 00:07:40.424 --> 00:07:41.653 Prelude, next one is prelude. 00:07:42.500 --> 00:07:43.413 Perez. 00:07:44.293 --> 00:07:45.933 No. 00:07:45.933 --> 00:07:46.766 Cortez. 00:07:46.766 --> 00:07:48.266 No. 00:07:49.916 --> 00:07:50.825 Perez-Diaz. 00:07:50.825 --> 00:07:51.700 No. 00:07:51.700 --> 00:07:53.126 Allen. 00:07:53.126 --> 00:07:53.959 Yes. 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:54.792 Mercer. 00:07:54.792 --> 00:07:55.625 Yes. 00:07:55.625 --> 00:07:57.792 Bahorich. 00:07:58.933 --> 00:08:00.670 Yes, sorry- (giggles) 00:08:00.670 --> 00:08:02.691 Robinson. 00:08:02.691 --> 00:08:04.430 No. 00:08:04.430 --> 00:08:05.263 Cargill. 00:08:05.263 --> 00:08:06.340 Yes. 00:08:06.340 --> 00:08:07.173 Maynard. 00:08:07.173 --> 00:08:08.068 Yes. 00:08:08.068 --> 00:08:09.061 Hardy. 00:08:09.061 --> 00:08:10.163 Yes. 00:08:10.163 --> 00:08:11.165 Little. 00:08:11.165 --> 00:08:12.040 Yes. 00:08:12.040 --> 00:08:12.873 Davis. 00:08:12.873 --> 00:08:13.706 No. 00:08:15.487 --> 00:08:16.621 Melton-Malone. 00:08:16.621 --> 00:08:17.454 [Ms. Melton-Malone] Yes. 00:08:17.454 --> 00:08:18.287 Rowley. 00:08:18.287 --> 00:08:19.704 [Mr. Rowley] Yes. 00:08:23.152 --> 00:08:24.870 Six, seven, eight, nine to five. 00:08:24.870 --> 00:08:27.528 Prelude succeeds on a vote of nine to five. 00:08:27.528 --> 00:08:30.303 Next's Spring Royal Public schools. 00:08:31.520 --> 00:08:32.670 Perez. 00:08:33.510 --> 00:08:35.160 No. 00:08:35.160 --> 00:08:35.993 Cortez. 00:08:35.993 --> 00:08:37.046 No. 00:08:37.046 --> 00:08:37.879 Perez-Diaz. 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:38.753 Yes. 00:08:41.298 --> 00:08:46.298 Allen. 00:08:47.407 --> 00:08:48.466 Yes. 00:08:48.466 --> 00:08:49.299 Allen, yes? 00:08:49.299 --> 00:08:50.766 Yes. 00:08:50.766 --> 00:08:51.619 Thank you, Mercer. 00:08:51.619 --> 00:08:52.453 Yes. 00:08:52.453 --> 00:08:54.636 Bahorich. 00:08:54.636 --> 00:08:55.469 Yes. 00:08:55.469 --> 00:08:56.637 Robinson. 00:08:56.637 --> 00:08:57.470 No. 00:08:57.470 --> 00:08:58.303 Cargill. 00:08:58.303 --> 00:08:59.200 Yes. 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:00.230 Maynard. 00:09:00.230 --> 00:09:01.230 Yes. 00:09:01.230 --> 00:09:02.063 Hardy. 00:09:02.063 --> 00:09:03.020 Yes. 00:09:03.020 --> 00:09:04.063 Little. 00:09:04.063 --> 00:09:05.320 No. 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:06.153 Davis. 00:09:06.153 --> 00:09:07.512 No. 00:09:07.512 --> 00:09:08.896 Melton-Malone. 00:09:08.896 --> 00:09:10.069 [Ms. Melton-Malone] Sorry (indistinct) now? 00:09:10.069 --> 00:09:10.902 Royal. Royal. 00:09:10.902 --> 00:09:11.840 [Ms. Melton-Malone] Yeah. 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:13.223 I mean, yes, yeah, yeah. 00:09:14.350 --> 00:09:17.337 Mrs. Melton-Malone is a yes, on Royal. 00:09:17.337 --> 00:09:19.270 Does she vote yes- Rowley. 00:09:19.270 --> 00:09:24.270 Yes, yes, yes, yes. (laughs) 00:09:25.564 --> 00:09:30.147 Five, six, seven, eight, nine to five. 00:09:31.760 --> 00:09:35.120 So, Royal succeeds on a vote of nine to five. 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:36.593 Okay, so now ... 00:09:38.017 --> 00:09:41.083 So, those are completed? 00:09:41.958 --> 00:09:42.791 Correct. 00:09:42.791 --> 00:09:44.323 So, now we have three, 00:09:45.930 --> 00:09:47.302 don't we need a- Yeah. 00:09:47.302 --> 00:09:49.204 Do we need a motion? 00:09:49.204 --> 00:09:51.100 We don't need the motion, to summarize that one. 00:09:51.100 --> 00:09:53.020 Cause this was the vote on that- 00:09:53.020 --> 00:09:54.434 Okay. 00:09:54.434 --> 00:09:55.267 Correct- Yeah. 00:09:55.267 --> 00:09:56.100 So do we need a motion? 00:09:56.100 --> 00:09:57.150 Oh, it's only if veto. 00:09:57.150 --> 00:10:00.059 A motion to reject on three of them now? 00:10:00.059 --> 00:10:01.588 Two part- Two. 00:10:01.588 --> 00:10:02.478 Two from ye- But, 00:10:02.478 --> 00:10:04.276 three of them now. Two (indistinct). 00:10:04.276 --> 00:10:05.109 Cause you- Three cause you- 00:10:05.109 --> 00:10:06.623 Two from yesterday and Clear from today. 00:10:06.623 --> 00:10:07.730 (indistinct) today. 00:10:07.730 --> 00:10:09.833 I'm worried about (indistinct) toady. 00:10:09.833 --> 00:10:10.666 Clear did not succeed. 00:10:10.666 --> 00:10:12.740 So we need a motion to reject for Clear. 00:10:12.740 --> 00:10:13.573 Right. 00:10:14.490 --> 00:10:17.900 So for clarification, this would be a motion to reject, 00:10:17.900 --> 00:10:21.020 for Clear public charter schools, 00:10:21.020 --> 00:10:23.683 Heritage Classical Academy, 00:10:23.683 --> 00:10:26.100 and Rocketship Public Schools. 00:10:26.100 --> 00:10:30.070 And Mr. Chairman the motion that the committee 00:10:30.070 --> 00:10:33.710 of the full board made yesterday was to veto. 00:10:33.710 --> 00:10:35.376 Yeah. And that is, 00:10:35.376 --> 00:10:36.880 I believe the language in statute. 00:10:36.880 --> 00:10:41.880 So, that should be the motion that I believe would come ... 00:10:42.750 --> 00:10:44.960 Two of them come from the Committee of the Full board 00:10:44.960 --> 00:10:47.260 and one from your own action here. 00:10:47.260 --> 00:10:48.093 So am I correct in saying 00:10:48.093 --> 00:10:50.313 the Committee of the Full board recommended? 00:10:52.644 --> 00:10:53.477 Yes- 00:10:53.477 --> 00:10:54.550 It's the- 00:10:54.550 --> 00:10:55.383 The State Board of Education. 00:10:55.383 --> 00:10:56.589 The State Board of Education. 00:10:56.589 --> 00:10:58.530 The motion is the State Board of Education, 00:10:58.530 --> 00:11:00.863 takes affirmative action to veto, 00:11:02.070 --> 00:11:05.690 Heritage Classical Academy, Rocketship, public schools, 00:11:05.690 --> 00:11:07.230 and Clear public charter schools. 00:11:07.230 --> 00:11:08.920 A point of order (indistinct). 00:11:08.920 --> 00:11:11.240 I don't believe that's the recommendation 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:13.730 of the state board- Right. 00:11:13.730 --> 00:11:15.197 To add the third one. 00:11:15.197 --> 00:11:16.790 The recommendation of the state board 00:11:16.790 --> 00:11:20.030 is to veto Heritage, and Rocketship. 00:11:20.030 --> 00:11:22.619 That was the committee of the (indistinct)- 00:11:22.619 --> 00:11:23.580 That's what I meant, that's what I meant. 00:11:23.580 --> 00:11:25.680 Now you're in the State Board of Education. 00:11:25.680 --> 00:11:28.065 So the motions that the State Board of Education, 00:11:28.065 --> 00:11:29.190 is not a recommendation. 00:11:29.190 --> 00:11:31.340 Right, that's that was my point. 00:11:31.340 --> 00:11:32.650 We didn't recommend the committee. 00:11:32.650 --> 00:11:35.900 The full board didn't recommend to veto Clear. 00:11:35.900 --> 00:11:38.980 That was a determination we made today. 00:11:38.980 --> 00:11:40.360 I mean, to be technically correct, 00:11:40.360 --> 00:11:41.482 the committee- Right- 00:11:41.482 --> 00:11:42.430 The full board recommended 00:11:42.430 --> 00:11:44.800 to veto Heritage and Rocketship. 00:11:44.800 --> 00:11:46.010 But I think we're at now 00:11:46.010 --> 00:11:47.400 where the State Board of Education 00:11:47.400 --> 00:11:49.480 would make a motion to reject those three. 00:11:49.480 --> 00:11:51.299 There you have that, 00:11:51.299 --> 00:11:52.132 but it's not a recommendation of the committee? 00:11:52.132 --> 00:11:52.965 Right. Right. 00:11:52.965 --> 00:11:53.798 So a point of information? 00:11:53.798 --> 00:11:54.950 Ms. Cargill. 00:11:54.950 --> 00:11:55.936 At what point ... 00:11:55.936 --> 00:11:59.032 How can we separate these, like we did yesterday? 00:11:59.032 --> 00:11:59.865 Is that a question? 00:11:59.865 --> 00:12:01.781 Oh, so could I make a question 00:12:01.781 --> 00:12:02.614 to divide the question. 00:12:02.614 --> 00:12:03.447 Yes, there's a request to divide the question. 00:12:03.447 --> 00:12:05.033 Yeah. We will do that. 00:12:06.702 --> 00:12:08.112 Right, yeah. 00:12:08.112 --> 00:12:09.510 That's a good point. (coughing) 00:12:09.510 --> 00:12:11.700 We have a motion and a second to divide the question. 00:12:11.700 --> 00:12:15.243 So, we will take them up in alphabetical order. 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:18.440 So, the motion would be, 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:22.090 for the State Board of Education to take affirmative action, 00:12:22.090 --> 00:12:25.363 to veto, Clear public Charter School. 00:12:26.955 --> 00:12:28.310 Am I good? 00:12:28.310 --> 00:12:29.143 Okay. 00:12:30.230 --> 00:12:31.090 Mr. Chair? 00:12:31.090 --> 00:12:31.923 Yes, sir. 00:12:33.760 --> 00:12:38.223 At any point, if for whatever reason, 00:12:39.330 --> 00:12:41.920 some of the other members decide to change their mind, 00:12:41.920 --> 00:12:44.370 is there gonna be an opportunity to discuss this? 00:12:46.460 --> 00:12:48.148 Right now would be a time- 00:12:48.148 --> 00:12:49.645 Cause my assumption is that, 00:12:49.645 --> 00:12:54.580 we're gonna continue on path with veto. 00:12:54.580 --> 00:12:59.580 But with this addition of dividing the question, 00:12:59.790 --> 00:13:01.623 I'm a little suspicious- So my- 00:13:01.623 --> 00:13:05.620 That maybe something may get overturned in this process. 00:13:05.620 --> 00:13:07.530 And I want to know if there's an opportunity 00:13:07.530 --> 00:13:10.657 to discuss and understand, in the event that that happens. 00:13:10.657 --> 00:13:12.400 Can we check with Ms. Kay. 00:13:12.400 --> 00:13:14.640 The discussion period is now, 00:13:14.640 --> 00:13:17.150 if the motion on any of them fails, 00:13:17.150 --> 00:13:19.240 it doesn't authorize them to move forward. 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:21.900 It just doesn't tell the Commissioner, 00:13:21.900 --> 00:13:23.550 that we plan to take action. 00:13:23.550 --> 00:13:25.480 It would still be- But this is 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:26.800 the veto item now. 00:13:26.800 --> 00:13:28.610 This is the veto, 00:13:28.610 --> 00:13:31.640 but we did not take action on any of these three, 00:13:31.640 --> 00:13:34.323 and therefore after 90 days, correct? 00:13:35.270 --> 00:13:37.303 Then. Correct, 00:13:38.644 --> 00:13:40.860 unless the state board vetoes, 00:13:40.860 --> 00:13:42.570 the proposals from the Commissioner, 00:13:42.570 --> 00:13:45.470 they will become active after 90 days 00:13:45.470 --> 00:13:47.360 since he published the recommendation. 00:13:47.360 --> 00:13:50.283 So, then to my point or my question, 00:13:52.290 --> 00:13:55.270 if there's something I want to say in the event that 00:13:55.270 --> 00:13:57.380 anybody's thinking of changing their minds, I mean, 00:13:57.380 --> 00:13:59.370 we're already led to several go through which 00:13:59.370 --> 00:14:00.370 I didn't support. 00:14:00.370 --> 00:14:04.160 And we're in a situation now where we've got three now, 00:14:04.160 --> 00:14:05.993 then I'm hoping to stay vetoed. 00:14:08.127 --> 00:14:09.610 If I wanna say something about each of these, 00:14:09.610 --> 00:14:11.470 do I say it in advance- Correct if- 00:14:11.470 --> 00:14:12.380 Of the vote? 00:14:12.380 --> 00:14:14.552 Correct me if I'm wrong, 00:14:14.552 --> 00:14:15.770 the discussion point would be now once the vote's taken, 00:14:15.770 --> 00:14:16.930 the item is finished. 00:14:16.930 --> 00:14:18.480 On each item separately, right? 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:20.472 Because the question has been divided- 00:14:20.472 --> 00:14:21.996 Yeah, the questions been divided- 00:14:21.996 --> 00:14:22.829 Whoever we picked up, 00:14:22.829 --> 00:14:23.662 I can say whatever I want now, on it. 00:14:23.662 --> 00:14:24.495 The question has been divided, 00:14:24.495 --> 00:14:26.410 so we were on Clear Public Charter School now. 00:14:26.410 --> 00:14:27.910 So if there's anything you want to discuss 00:14:27.910 --> 00:14:30.391 on Clear Public Charter School before the vote is taken, 00:14:30.391 --> 00:14:32.430 this would be the time to do that. 00:14:32.430 --> 00:14:35.059 Okay, well then if I could, Mr. Cortez. 00:14:35.059 --> 00:14:40.059 I would urge the board that we clearly veto 00:14:42.960 --> 00:14:45.980 this charter school in light of the financial situation 00:14:45.980 --> 00:14:48.273 that we're dealing with in the State of Texas. 00:14:49.471 --> 00:14:51.260 And the fact that five already, 00:14:51.260 --> 00:14:52.890 unfortunately you made it through, 00:14:52.890 --> 00:14:54.130 we have an opportunity 00:14:54.130 --> 00:14:56.030 to at least send a message with these. 00:14:57.080 --> 00:15:01.990 And so, I would urge the vote to veto this applicant. 00:15:01.990 --> 00:15:03.360 Is there any further discussion 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:04.660 from members on this item? 00:15:08.230 --> 00:15:10.993 All right so for clarification, Ms. Hardy. 00:15:13.302 --> 00:15:14.860 I just wanted to point out to 00:15:14.860 --> 00:15:16.603 my fellow board members that, 00:15:17.690 --> 00:15:22.320 I sent to you a letter, concerning Rocketship. 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:23.970 So, why don't we hold that one 00:15:23.970 --> 00:15:25.412 till we get to Rocketship. 00:15:25.412 --> 00:15:27.078 Oh, okay. we are divided. 00:15:27.078 --> 00:15:27.911 Okay. 00:15:27.911 --> 00:15:28.744 So this one's just for Clear- 00:15:28.744 --> 00:15:29.577 Okay. Yeah. 00:15:29.577 --> 00:15:30.410 I thought- I'll call back on you 00:15:30.410 --> 00:15:31.243 when we get there- I thought 00:15:31.243 --> 00:15:32.260 you said now it's time to talk about all of it? 00:15:32.260 --> 00:15:33.093 For Clear. 00:15:33.093 --> 00:15:35.000 Okay. Just Clear- And then we'll, yeah. 00:15:35.000 --> 00:15:36.354 I'll call on you before Rocketship- 00:15:36.354 --> 00:15:37.187 It wasn't clear to me. 00:15:37.187 --> 00:15:38.430 It was not clear. 00:15:38.430 --> 00:15:39.263 All right. 00:15:39.263 --> 00:15:41.210 So, can we get a staff to confirm 00:15:41.210 --> 00:15:43.423 whether a yes or no vote would be here? 00:15:45.478 --> 00:15:47.040 Yes, sir. 00:15:47.040 --> 00:15:52.040 A yes vote would veto the Commissioner's recommendation 00:15:55.060 --> 00:15:58.423 and the charter school would not be approved, 00:15:59.460 --> 00:16:04.460 and a no vote would not veto the recommendation. 00:16:08.510 --> 00:16:10.860 So, no is direction of his recommendation, 00:16:10.860 --> 00:16:12.750 yes is veto? 00:16:12.750 --> 00:16:14.187 Correct. 00:16:14.187 --> 00:16:15.830 Thank you. 00:16:15.830 --> 00:16:17.773 So, for clarification, 00:16:19.490 --> 00:16:22.783 you would vote yes if you want to confirm the veto. 00:16:23.916 --> 00:16:25.433 Is everyone clear on that? 00:16:27.590 --> 00:16:29.730 Okay, are y'all ready for the vote? 00:16:29.730 --> 00:16:31.140 Yep. Yes pleas. 00:16:31.140 --> 00:16:33.250 Okay, this is for Clear. (laughing) 00:16:33.250 --> 00:16:35.640 So all those who want to vote yes, 00:16:35.640 --> 00:16:39.852 to confirm the veto, do so by raising your hand. 00:16:39.852 --> 00:16:40.685 (indistinct) give a roll call. 00:16:40.685 --> 00:16:42.323 Roll call vote has been requested. 00:16:47.111 --> 00:16:47.944 (laughs) 00:16:47.944 --> 00:16:48.777 Perez. 00:16:49.740 --> 00:16:50.640 Yes. 00:16:51.700 --> 00:16:53.510 Cortez. 00:16:53.510 --> 00:16:54.870 Yes. 00:16:54.870 --> 00:16:55.703 Perez-Diaz. 00:16:55.703 --> 00:16:56.550 Yes. 00:16:56.550 --> 00:16:57.600 Allen. 00:16:57.600 --> 00:16:58.950 Yes. 00:16:58.950 --> 00:16:59.982 Mercer. 00:16:59.982 --> 00:17:01.078 No. 00:17:01.078 --> 00:17:02.355 Bahorich. 00:17:02.355 --> 00:17:03.188 Yes. 00:17:03.188 --> 00:17:04.100 Robinson] . 00:17:04.100 --> 00:17:04.933 Yes. 00:17:04.933 --> 00:17:05.766 Cargill. 00:17:05.766 --> 00:17:07.010 No. 00:17:07.010 --> 00:17:07.900 Maynard. 00:17:07.900 --> 00:17:08.780 No. 00:17:08.780 --> 00:17:09.680 Hardy. 00:17:09.680 --> 00:17:10.670 No. 00:17:10.670 --> 00:17:11.573 Little. 00:17:11.573 --> 00:17:12.992 Yes. 00:17:12.992 --> 00:17:14.110 Davis. 00:17:14.110 --> 00:17:15.135 Yes. 00:17:15.135 --> 00:17:16.740 Melton-Malone. 00:17:16.740 --> 00:17:18.090 [Ms. Melton-Malone] Yes. 00:17:18.090 --> 00:17:19.152 Rowley. 00:17:19.152 --> 00:17:21.326 No. 00:17:21.326 --> 00:17:22.159 Yes. 00:17:24.005 --> 00:17:24.838 Yes. 00:17:26.397 --> 00:17:27.747 Dr. Ellis yes. 00:17:30.337 --> 00:17:32.620 Six, seven, eight, nine to five. 00:17:35.750 --> 00:17:37.930 Okay, the next motion will be 00:17:37.930 --> 00:17:39.580 for the State Board of Education 00:17:39.580 --> 00:17:42.610 to take affirmative action to veto 00:17:42.610 --> 00:17:44.733 Heritage Classical Academy. 00:17:47.115 --> 00:17:50.378 is a request for a roll call vote. 00:17:50.378 --> 00:17:51.211 There is a request for a roll call, vote? 00:17:51.211 --> 00:17:52.044 (indistinct) request for a roll call vote. 00:17:52.044 --> 00:17:53.950 Okay, there's a request for roll call vote. 00:17:53.950 --> 00:17:58.040 I'll remind everyone of the yes is to confirm the veto. 00:18:02.168 --> 00:18:04.384 Okay (indistinct). 00:18:04.384 --> 00:18:06.030 No, not for Rocketship. 00:18:06.030 --> 00:18:07.430 Perez, oh wait. 00:18:08.285 --> 00:18:11.000 Mr. Chair (murmuring) 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:12.173 Yes, so chair. 00:18:14.288 --> 00:18:16.608 So, I want to, I want to be reminded, 00:18:16.608 --> 00:18:20.521 this is Heritage, the charter that was associated 00:18:20.521 --> 00:18:22.870 with the university with Larry Arnn, 00:18:22.870 --> 00:18:26.250 the gentlemen who was making a racist comments. 00:18:26.250 --> 00:18:27.110 Is that right? 00:18:27.110 --> 00:18:28.705 Wait. 00:18:28.705 --> 00:18:29.538 That's correct. Okay. 00:18:29.538 --> 00:18:31.280 All right, I just want to be clear on that. 00:18:42.993 --> 00:18:44.544 The (indistinct). 00:18:44.544 --> 00:18:45.632 (indistinct). 00:18:45.632 --> 00:18:47.500 Yeah, I would ask members that, 00:18:47.500 --> 00:18:51.330 that was a comment that was made during the meeting, 00:18:51.330 --> 00:18:53.460 but there are ... 00:18:53.460 --> 00:18:58.460 So, we're talking about reference to a particular hearing. 00:18:58.570 --> 00:19:00.180 And I would just ask members 00:19:00.180 --> 00:19:02.550 to look at exactly what was said 00:19:02.550 --> 00:19:04.170 in the context of everything 00:19:04.170 --> 00:19:06.490 that was being discussed at that meeting. 00:19:06.490 --> 00:19:09.820 So, that was the accusation that we heard, 00:19:09.820 --> 00:19:12.330 but I would just ask members to kind of 00:19:12.330 --> 00:19:17.160 check into the whole context of that meeting. 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:20.550 So noted Mr. Allen. 00:19:20.550 --> 00:19:22.930 I wanted to remind members 00:19:22.930 --> 00:19:26.310 that it was my position that Heritage did not do 00:19:26.310 --> 00:19:29.130 their due diligence and what was presented to us. 00:19:29.130 --> 00:19:30.920 And coming into District Four 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:35.920 and not being a (indistinct) with District Four, 00:19:36.570 --> 00:19:40.090 the statement of seeking out middle class white families 00:19:40.090 --> 00:19:41.900 was just too strong for me, 00:19:41.900 --> 00:19:43.750 as it pertains to the climate we're in, 00:19:43.750 --> 00:19:47.230 and what we intend to do for children in the Houston area. 00:19:47.230 --> 00:19:48.630 When we being a charter yet, 00:19:48.630 --> 00:19:50.920 we should not have anything that reflects, 00:19:50.920 --> 00:19:54.140 that kind of purpose as an approval. 00:19:54.140 --> 00:19:55.680 I want to remind everybody that 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:58.820 a denial in a veto is most cases it's a delay. 00:19:58.820 --> 00:20:00.630 It's about getting some things, right. 00:20:00.630 --> 00:20:03.510 And maybe coming back 365 days from now, 00:20:03.510 --> 00:20:05.310 and maybe you're ready for an approval. 00:20:05.310 --> 00:20:07.510 So, it may not be a complete denial, 00:20:07.510 --> 00:20:09.170 I think this one ought to be a delay. 00:20:09.170 --> 00:20:12.370 And I would appreciate your support on the veto today. 00:20:12.370 --> 00:20:13.203 Okay, anyone else 00:20:13.203 --> 00:20:14.770 who would like to add anything to that? 00:20:14.770 --> 00:20:16.300 Ms. Perez and then Ms. Little. 00:20:17.910 --> 00:20:20.270 I will ... (sighs) 00:20:20.270 --> 00:20:21.103 If y'all remember, 00:20:21.103 --> 00:20:24.780 if you were in our capacity hearings. 00:20:24.780 --> 00:20:29.130 They clearly promote, books like Br'er Rabbit. 00:20:29.130 --> 00:20:31.000 When they were questioned, 00:20:31.000 --> 00:20:34.700 they said, "It's good for third graders. 00:20:34.700 --> 00:20:38.310 We just have to present it in a certain context." 00:20:38.310 --> 00:20:40.350 Let me be very clear when I say this, 00:20:40.350 --> 00:20:45.350 there is no appropriate context for racism, period. 00:20:47.840 --> 00:20:48.723 Ms. Little. 00:20:50.310 --> 00:20:51.815 I just wanted to say 00:20:51.815 --> 00:20:52.648 that I agree with member Allen. 00:20:52.648 --> 00:20:54.200 I think this school has potential, 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:56.450 but they still need to get some things right. 00:21:00.577 --> 00:21:01.621 (indistinct) over here, 00:21:01.621 --> 00:21:03.940 was there any Mr. Rowley, then that Ms. Cargill. 00:21:03.940 --> 00:21:07.260 (clears throat) Typically my philosophy, 00:21:07.260 --> 00:21:09.710 or one of my guiding principles, I should say, 00:21:09.710 --> 00:21:11.853 on charters, or whether or not, 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:15.160 the member whose district 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:17.200 in which the charter will be located, 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:18.500 speaks against it. 00:21:18.500 --> 00:21:20.210 And so, in deference to Mr. Allen, 00:21:20.210 --> 00:21:22.412 I'm actually changing my vote. 00:21:22.412 --> 00:21:24.130 I think it's a foregone conclusion. (laughs) 00:21:24.130 --> 00:21:26.160 But I am changing my vote on Heritage, 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:28.903 and I will vote to veto it today, 00:21:30.280 --> 00:21:31.540 in deference to Mr. Allen. 00:21:31.540 --> 00:21:33.050 Ms. Cargill and, and Ms. Bahorich . 00:21:33.050 --> 00:21:34.316 Okay. 00:21:34.316 --> 00:21:35.780 Well, and I also wanted to remind members 00:21:35.780 --> 00:21:38.270 about the reference to Br'er Rabbit. 00:21:38.270 --> 00:21:41.610 I think that the board member clearly spoke yesterday, 00:21:41.610 --> 00:21:44.080 that she actually contacted Core Knowledge, 00:21:44.080 --> 00:21:46.170 and now they removed that from the list. 00:21:46.170 --> 00:21:48.542 So, that that's a non issue. 00:21:48.542 --> 00:21:50.930 I think in my opinion, it's gone, 00:21:50.930 --> 00:21:52.250 which is a huge step. 00:21:52.250 --> 00:21:54.390 I think that she went over and beyond. 00:21:54.390 --> 00:21:56.759 So, I just wanted to point that out. 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.200 That is correct Ms. Bahorich .. 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:02.630 Originally I thought this campus actually 00:22:02.630 --> 00:22:03.463 was gonna be in my district, 00:22:03.463 --> 00:22:05.819 but it sounds like it's moved over. (laughs) 00:22:05.819 --> 00:22:06.652 (indistinct). 00:22:06.652 --> 00:22:08.087 (laughing) 00:22:08.087 --> 00:22:10.160 Moved over, it was right on the boarder area. 00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:13.167 And so actually there would be in my district, 00:22:13.167 --> 00:22:17.450 quite a bit of interest in a classical Western civilization, 00:22:17.450 --> 00:22:21.230 type of education option for students, 00:22:21.230 --> 00:22:23.253 but considering where this is, 00:22:24.370 --> 00:22:29.370 I greatly appreciate member Allen's remarks regarding, 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:32.940 perhaps not this generation, 00:22:32.940 --> 00:22:34.610 but perhaps the next generation. 00:22:34.610 --> 00:22:39.240 They would be more ready for the kind of location, 00:22:39.240 --> 00:22:40.330 where they ended up, 00:22:40.330 --> 00:22:42.280 and the kind of outreach that's gonna be required, 00:22:42.280 --> 00:22:43.700 to make that very successful. 00:22:43.700 --> 00:22:47.701 So I just wanted to say, thank you member Allen for this. 00:22:47.701 --> 00:22:49.410 Cause I really do believe there's quite a bit of demand 00:22:49.410 --> 00:22:53.285 for this Western civilization, Latin, 00:22:53.285 --> 00:22:55.850 back to more classical roots. 00:22:55.850 --> 00:23:00.083 But I appreciate your saying, not today. 00:23:01.143 --> 00:23:04.147 Ms. Milton-Malone then Mr. Mercer. 00:23:04.147 --> 00:23:08.450 [Ms. Milton-Malone] Yes, I have to agree with, 00:23:08.450 --> 00:23:11.450 member Allen, and member Little in the fact that 00:23:11.450 --> 00:23:15.160 I do believe this will be a great school, 00:23:15.160 --> 00:23:17.689 when they've had time to work on some things. 00:23:17.689 --> 00:23:21.870 And remember, this was just their first year to apply. 00:23:21.870 --> 00:23:23.990 So it's not like this is gonna completely, 00:23:23.990 --> 00:23:25.670 take them off the board. 00:23:25.670 --> 00:23:29.890 And I've gotten some information since then that, 00:23:29.890 --> 00:23:32.140 the thing that bothered me was the fact that, 00:23:33.985 --> 00:23:36.018 when asked about things like transportation, 00:23:36.018 --> 00:23:36.851 and things like that, 00:23:36.851 --> 00:23:40.250 they were like, "Well, when it happens, we'll deal with it." 00:23:40.250 --> 00:23:43.600 And I'm just one of those kinds of people, 00:23:43.600 --> 00:23:44.750 have learned since then, 00:23:44.750 --> 00:23:47.710 that that would be a possibility they I can handle it. 00:23:47.710 --> 00:23:50.510 But I'm just one of those kinds of people that think that 00:23:50.510 --> 00:23:52.280 if you're going to do something, 00:23:52.280 --> 00:23:54.650 you need to have everything in line 00:23:54.650 --> 00:23:58.010 before you come to somebody and ask for their approval. 00:23:58.010 --> 00:24:00.747 So that you can lay everything out and say, 00:24:00.747 --> 00:24:02.110 "This is where we're gonna be. 00:24:02.110 --> 00:24:03.750 This is what we're gonna do. 00:24:03.750 --> 00:24:05.640 And this is how we're gonna do it." 00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:10.215 And with the caveat that, should things change, 00:24:10.215 --> 00:24:12.860 we can make changes as well. 00:24:12.860 --> 00:24:14.610 But I think there's some basic things 00:24:14.610 --> 00:24:18.750 that need to be in place before you agree 00:24:18.750 --> 00:24:21.680 to have a charter school. 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:24.770 So, I think this will be a really good school. 00:24:24.770 --> 00:24:27.700 I'm looking forward to them applying next year, 00:24:27.700 --> 00:24:30.043 and seeing what kind of progress they've made. 00:24:30.900 --> 00:24:32.930 But I do think they still need 00:24:32.930 --> 00:24:35.240 to get some things in line first. 00:24:35.240 --> 00:24:37.850 Thank you, Ms. Melton-Malone, Mr. Mercer. 00:24:37.850 --> 00:24:38.930 Thank you Mr. Chairman, 00:24:38.930 --> 00:24:40.810 it used to be president, but now chairman, 00:24:40.810 --> 00:24:43.870 but I agree with my colleague from Amarillo 00:24:43.870 --> 00:24:45.810 that we had is sort of an unwritten rule that 00:24:45.810 --> 00:24:48.750 if the impacted member was happy, 00:24:48.750 --> 00:24:51.408 and in this case, Royal Academy is a good example. 00:24:51.408 --> 00:24:55.330 but they satisfied the impacted member who supported that. 00:24:55.330 --> 00:24:58.650 And we followed that with Mr. Allen's case too. 00:24:58.650 --> 00:25:00.800 And if you're listening, Heritage, 00:25:00.800 --> 00:25:03.360 you know about iron sharpens iron, 00:25:03.360 --> 00:25:05.070 this is a process. 00:25:05.070 --> 00:25:09.230 And I agree too, I believe you're probably one year away. 00:25:09.230 --> 00:25:10.860 I'm a very strong application. 00:25:10.860 --> 00:25:11.693 Thank you. 00:25:12.789 --> 00:25:14.650 Any other comments from any members? 00:25:14.650 --> 00:25:17.570 If not a roll call vote has been requested. 00:25:17.570 --> 00:25:22.570 I will remind that a yes. Vote is to confirm the veto. 00:25:22.630 --> 00:25:24.000 Ms. Martinez. 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:25.780 Perez. 00:25:25.780 --> 00:25:28.260 Absolutely no. 00:25:28.260 --> 00:25:29.750 You don't wanna a veto? 00:25:29.750 --> 00:25:33.890 Yes, veto this garbage. (laughing) 00:25:33.890 --> 00:25:35.811 It's a yes or no, will (indistinct). 00:25:35.811 --> 00:25:39.158 No, no, Barbara so- 00:25:39.158 --> 00:25:41.163 Okay, Perez. 00:25:42.180 --> 00:25:44.350 Veto this garbage. 00:25:44.350 --> 00:25:47.372 Ms. Perez, let's keep it to a yes or no. 00:25:47.372 --> 00:25:48.270 Yes. 00:25:48.270 --> 00:25:49.103 Cortez. 00:25:49.103 --> 00:25:49.960 Yes. 00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:50.793 Perez-Diaz. 00:25:50.793 --> 00:25:51.626 Yes. 00:25:51.626 --> 00:25:52.714 Allen. 00:25:52.714 --> 00:25:53.630 Yes. 00:25:53.630 --> 00:25:54.600 Mercer. 00:25:54.600 --> 00:25:55.433 Yes. 00:25:55.433 --> 00:25:56.330 Bahorich. 00:25:56.330 --> 00:25:57.540 No. 00:25:57.540 --> 00:25:58.510 Robinson. 00:25:58.510 --> 00:25:59.600 Yes. 00:25:59.600 --> 00:26:00.692 Cargill. 00:26:00.692 --> 00:26:01.525 No. 00:26:01.525 --> 00:26:02.358 Maynard. 00:26:02.358 --> 00:26:03.191 Yes. 00:26:03.191 --> 00:26:04.202 Hardy. 00:26:04.202 --> 00:26:05.035 No. 00:26:05.035 --> 00:26:05.995 Little. 00:26:05.995 --> 00:26:06.930 Yes. 00:26:06.930 --> 00:26:07.763 Davis. 00:26:07.763 --> 00:26:08.612 Ms. Davis] Yes. 00:26:08.612 --> 00:26:09.691 Melton-Malone. 00:26:09.691 --> 00:26:10.967 [Ms. Melton-Malone] Yes. 00:26:10.967 --> 00:26:11.800 Rowley. 00:26:11.800 --> 00:26:13.383 Yes. 00:26:15.183 --> 00:26:20.183 Eight, nine, 10, 11 in favor, three opposed. 00:26:22.823 --> 00:26:25.320 On a vote of 11 to three, 00:26:25.320 --> 00:26:26.983 the veto is affirmed. 00:26:28.150 --> 00:26:30.950 Will now move to the last one. 00:26:30.950 --> 00:26:33.370 Which is for the State Board of Education to take 00:26:33.370 --> 00:26:37.420 affirmative action to veto Rocketship Public Schools. 00:26:37.420 --> 00:26:40.540 Ms. Hardy, I believe you had a comment. 00:26:40.540 --> 00:26:43.070 Yes, I would just like to say 00:26:43.070 --> 00:26:47.340 to the embers that in your email, 00:26:47.340 --> 00:26:50.930 is the letter of resignation of the Pastor, Emerson, 00:26:50.930 --> 00:26:54.420 who in his apology, 00:26:54.420 --> 00:26:57.237 he's apologized to making the apology, 00:26:57.237 --> 00:27:02.237 and in stating in such a way that it led a member 00:27:02.550 --> 00:27:05.280 to believe that she was being pressured. 00:27:05.280 --> 00:27:08.910 And he did not intend that, but, none the less, 00:27:08.910 --> 00:27:10.550 that's how it was interprated. 00:27:10.550 --> 00:27:14.300 And so, he has sent this letter of resignation, 00:27:14.300 --> 00:27:16.860 and I would just request that all of you read that, 00:27:16.860 --> 00:27:20.980 so you can get a feel for what Pastor Emerson was saying. 00:27:20.980 --> 00:27:22.600 Thank you for bringing that. Ms. Hardy, 00:27:22.600 --> 00:27:23.433 Mr. Cortez. 00:27:25.010 --> 00:27:26.380 Yeah, thank you, Mr. Chair. 00:27:26.380 --> 00:27:28.600 Yeah, and I had an opportunity to review 00:27:28.600 --> 00:27:30.800 that email this morning. 00:27:30.800 --> 00:27:34.040 And much like the comments from the previous applicant 00:27:34.040 --> 00:27:35.873 who we just voted to veto. 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:40.770 Clearly they violated one of the rules, 00:27:40.770 --> 00:27:43.990 they're open and able to apply next year. 00:27:43.990 --> 00:27:45.200 They've applied in the PLUS, 00:27:45.200 --> 00:27:48.880 they applied in Generation 18, didn't make the cut. 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:51.485 They applied in 19 and withdrew, 00:27:51.485 --> 00:27:56.485 they applied right now in 25, violated the rules. 00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:57.560 And as a result, 00:27:57.560 --> 00:27:59.820 we we're taking action to veto it, 00:27:59.820 --> 00:28:02.230 because if we can't abide 00:28:02.230 --> 00:28:04.840 and allow the following of our own rules, 00:28:04.840 --> 00:28:07.020 then, what are these rules in place for? 00:28:07.020 --> 00:28:10.460 And so, this doesn't preclude them from applying, 00:28:10.460 --> 00:28:12.050 for Generation 26. 00:28:12.050 --> 00:28:13.480 So, I would just ask that 00:28:16.091 --> 00:28:19.460 we continue to move forward with this vote, 00:28:19.460 --> 00:28:20.293 on the veto. 00:28:21.750 --> 00:28:22.813 Ms. Hardy. 00:28:23.760 --> 00:28:25.903 I just want to make it clear 00:28:25.903 --> 00:28:30.223 that he was not in the process of breaking the rule. 00:28:32.870 --> 00:28:34.970 I realize it's like splitting hairs, 00:28:34.970 --> 00:28:36.710 and it's a legal term 00:28:36.710 --> 00:28:39.340 in whether or not the intent was, 00:28:39.340 --> 00:28:42.510 But his intent was never to break the rules. 00:28:42.510 --> 00:28:45.100 But I understand that you feel like 00:28:45.100 --> 00:28:48.523 you can't even accept that. 00:28:50.900 --> 00:28:52.950 So, I understand that that's not a problem, 00:28:52.950 --> 00:28:54.680 but I just wanted to make sure that 00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:56.913 he did not intend to lobby. 00:28:59.550 --> 00:29:01.469 Ms. Davis. 00:29:01.469 --> 00:29:03.070 I just wanna comment 00:29:03.070 --> 00:29:05.290 that the rule doesn't say anything about intent. 00:29:05.290 --> 00:29:07.030 It just says no communication. 00:29:07.030 --> 00:29:09.493 So, it was a violation regardless of his intent. 00:29:10.670 --> 00:29:12.317 Ms. Cargill. 00:29:12.317 --> 00:29:14.353 I just want to say too, because, 00:29:15.700 --> 00:29:17.862 to go along with what Ms. Hardy said, 00:29:17.862 --> 00:29:21.340 we look at all of this through our political lens, 00:29:21.340 --> 00:29:24.910 because we have to, that's what we have to do. 00:29:24.910 --> 00:29:29.910 But as far as Reverend Emerson, I'm sure he's listening in. 00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:31.553 (clears throat) 00:29:31.553 --> 00:29:32.720 He had his pastor hat on, 00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:37.530 And he seems like a very admirable amazing man. 00:29:37.530 --> 00:29:39.410 And I appreciate the apology, 00:29:39.410 --> 00:29:41.710 and I know that the intent was not there, 00:29:41.710 --> 00:29:44.800 but he was ... Looking through his pastor lens. 00:29:44.800 --> 00:29:49.800 And so, I really admire the intent at the apology, 00:29:51.630 --> 00:29:53.100 it was probably misplaced. 00:29:53.100 --> 00:29:56.870 And I just wanna reach out to the Reverend and say, 00:29:56.870 --> 00:29:58.370 don't be too hard on yourself. 00:29:59.271 --> 00:30:02.240 And we live and we learn, and we move on. 00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:05.690 We made a motion yesterday, about living and learning, 00:30:05.690 --> 00:30:07.950 whatever your words were, Mr. Maynard. 00:30:07.950 --> 00:30:12.390 So, I just wanted to say that to him personally, 00:30:12.390 --> 00:30:13.800 cause I'm sure he's listening. 00:30:13.800 --> 00:30:15.051 Thank you. 00:30:15.051 --> 00:30:15.884 Mr. Rowley. 00:30:15.884 --> 00:30:19.070 Yeah, I'll echo Ms. Cargill's sentiments there 00:30:19.070 --> 00:30:22.330 with regard to Reverend Emerson, 00:30:22.330 --> 00:30:26.740 and I don't it's all describe any ill motive 00:30:26.740 --> 00:30:27.820 on his part. 00:30:27.820 --> 00:30:30.020 It's an unfortunate situation. 00:30:30.020 --> 00:30:32.380 I'll not be here probably next time. 00:30:32.380 --> 00:30:35.820 Not probably, I will not be here next time this comes up, 00:30:35.820 --> 00:30:40.750 but I will encourage all of my fellow members 00:30:40.750 --> 00:30:45.200 and whoever happens to be sitting in these seats next year, 00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:47.870 that immediately upon occurrence like that, 00:30:47.870 --> 00:30:49.220 taking place, 00:30:49.220 --> 00:30:52.003 that it needs to be brought to the attention of TEA. 00:30:53.056 --> 00:30:56.920 And so that, a full investigation can be done, 00:30:56.920 --> 00:31:01.400 because I always disapproved, disagree, 00:31:01.400 --> 00:31:04.500 with last minute kind of things being sprung on us, 00:31:04.500 --> 00:31:06.900 and us trying to make very weighty decisions 00:31:08.827 --> 00:31:09.860 at the last hour. 00:31:09.860 --> 00:31:12.380 And so anyone sitting 00:31:12.380 --> 00:31:14.540 in these seats coming up in the future, 00:31:14.540 --> 00:31:17.440 if you would immediately report those violations. 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:18.720 If you believe one's occurred. 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:20.900 So, a full investigation can take place, 00:31:20.900 --> 00:31:23.500 and we could have heard from the aggrieved party, 00:31:23.500 --> 00:31:26.893 other than in a letter that we received, on Friday morning. 00:31:28.280 --> 00:31:29.470 Good points, Mr. Rowley. 00:31:29.470 --> 00:31:32.070 Mr. Mercer, and then Ms. Bahorich . 00:31:32.070 --> 00:31:33.507 I just have a question again, 00:31:33.507 --> 00:31:36.103 has the impact of members been satisfied? 00:31:37.510 --> 00:31:39.100 The member? 00:31:39.100 --> 00:31:40.100 Are you asking about the member 00:31:40.100 --> 00:31:41.370 where the charter would be? 00:31:41.370 --> 00:31:42.419 Yes, sir. 00:31:42.419 --> 00:31:43.907 Which be Ms. Hardy. 00:31:43.907 --> 00:31:45.041 No, no. 00:31:45.041 --> 00:31:46.617 Would you like to comment on it? 00:31:46.617 --> 00:31:47.610 Davis Mrs. 00:31:47.610 --> 00:31:49.430 Oh, I'm sorry, Ms. Davis. 00:31:49.430 --> 00:31:50.420 No, not at all. 00:31:50.420 --> 00:31:53.160 If a parttern of unethical practices, 00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.607 even with the communication that clearly violated the rule, 00:31:56.607 --> 00:31:58.580 has been several other things 00:31:58.580 --> 00:32:00.980 that have been inconsistent with the charter. 00:32:00.980 --> 00:32:04.960 I'm not satisfied, and I do not support it at all. 00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:06.620 And I sincerely hope my colleagues, 00:32:06.620 --> 00:32:08.440 stick to what the rule says, 00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:11.120 which is there can be no communication. 00:32:11.120 --> 00:32:13.510 And I hope that you continue to veto it, 00:32:13.510 --> 00:32:15.003 just like we did yesterday. 00:32:16.060 --> 00:32:16.893 Ms. Hardy, 00:32:16.893 --> 00:32:19.160 some of the proposed charter in your district, 00:32:19.160 --> 00:32:20.768 or is it all in Ms. Davis's? 00:32:20.768 --> 00:32:21.601 The (indistinct)- 00:32:21.601 --> 00:32:23.328 Okay. So I guess, would you like to- 00:32:23.328 --> 00:32:25.450 Since she's the (indistinct). 00:32:25.450 --> 00:32:26.283 Okay. 00:32:26.283 --> 00:32:27.510 I just wanted to know if it did apply to you, 00:32:27.510 --> 00:32:29.821 if you wanted to respond to the same. 00:32:29.821 --> 00:32:31.830 (indistinct). 00:32:31.830 --> 00:32:35.100 No, the contingency that we heard talked about was something 00:32:35.100 --> 00:32:37.300 I had arranged with the district, 00:32:37.300 --> 00:32:39.720 so that it would have not affected the districts 00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:40.720 on the west side. 00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:41.830 Okay, I just wanted to give you a chance, 00:32:41.830 --> 00:32:43.500 so Ms. Bahorich . 00:32:43.500 --> 00:32:45.880 I do think that this illustrates 00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:47.250 the general feeling of the body 00:32:47.250 --> 00:32:49.020 and I'm not speaking for everyone, 00:32:49.020 --> 00:32:51.720 but I think that there's a general feeling 00:32:51.720 --> 00:32:53.920 that the rule that we have here regarding 00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:55.763 no contact is a serious rule. 00:32:56.770 --> 00:32:59.640 We don't want contact directly from the school. 00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:04.640 We don't want folks sent by any folks, to other folks, 00:33:05.850 --> 00:33:07.763 or to the folks on the board, 00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:11.000 to advocate. 00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:14.600 I mean, that no contact actually means the no contact. 00:33:14.600 --> 00:33:18.420 And so, we just want to reaffirm that as a cautionary tale, 00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:21.810 really, for any application in this applicant going forward. 00:33:21.810 --> 00:33:25.890 That just like we got into the don't copy ... 00:33:25.890 --> 00:33:26.723 what was that? 00:33:26.723 --> 00:33:28.210 The plagiarism issue that we had several, 00:33:28.210 --> 00:33:31.160 have had, and we actually had for several years, 00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:34.020 don't copy other work and just paste it in here. 00:33:34.020 --> 00:33:35.630 Cause we notice. 00:33:35.630 --> 00:33:37.500 This is the kind of thing we noticed. 00:33:37.500 --> 00:33:39.287 We don't want contact, 00:33:39.287 --> 00:33:41.010 we don't want that sort of thing. 00:33:41.010 --> 00:33:42.150 It's completely different. 00:33:42.150 --> 00:33:44.557 If a person on their own initiative says, 00:33:44.557 --> 00:33:46.310 "Hey, I went to the community meeting, 00:33:46.310 --> 00:33:47.660 and I'm all behind this." 00:33:47.660 --> 00:33:49.223 That's complitely different. 00:33:51.070 --> 00:33:53.080 Citizens are free to do what they want to, 00:33:53.080 --> 00:33:55.680 or people who really believe in the idea are free to, 00:33:55.680 --> 00:33:58.500 but what we don't want is advocacy, 00:33:58.500 --> 00:34:01.100 and the contact period from any board member, 00:34:01.100 --> 00:34:04.580 any person that's a part of our rules. 00:34:04.580 --> 00:34:08.290 So, it's something to know for future. 00:34:08.290 --> 00:34:10.780 Thank you Ms. Bahorich , Mr. Maynard. 00:34:10.780 --> 00:34:15.680 Yeah, members I think that the all of us kind of, 00:34:15.680 --> 00:34:18.523 struggle with things, try to balance things a little bit. 00:34:19.381 --> 00:34:21.080 And just in terms of, 00:34:21.080 --> 00:34:23.283 when you think about something is, is that, 00:34:24.863 --> 00:34:27.340 I don't believe that that the board member 00:34:27.340 --> 00:34:30.890 that violated the rule was really intended 00:34:30.890 --> 00:34:32.103 to do anything untoward. 00:34:35.985 --> 00:34:39.500 And I think too is, is that as members of the board, 00:34:39.500 --> 00:34:40.680 we try to balance things a little bit. 00:34:40.680 --> 00:34:42.470 And when you think about Rocketship 00:34:42.470 --> 00:34:45.860 and certainly that appears to me, 00:34:45.860 --> 00:34:50.600 that there is a groundswell of support in these communities, 00:34:50.600 --> 00:34:52.593 for that school. 00:34:53.982 --> 00:34:55.220 And I will say this, my understanding 00:34:55.220 --> 00:34:58.800 that the Rocketship in its other campuses, 00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:03.570 when the pandemic hit, they were really, did amazing work 00:35:03.570 --> 00:35:05.560 in terms of making that transition 00:35:05.560 --> 00:35:08.390 to online and virtual learning, 00:35:08.390 --> 00:35:10.933 quicker and more effectively than most. 00:35:11.810 --> 00:35:16.660 However, I think that maybe the thing that we're trying 00:35:16.660 --> 00:35:18.813 to kind of wrestle with is that, 00:35:19.870 --> 00:35:21.820 that may be what happened. 00:35:21.820 --> 00:35:24.000 You might also kind of speak a little bit 00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:25.383 to organizational culture. 00:35:26.300 --> 00:35:29.080 And that sometimes is that, 00:35:29.080 --> 00:35:31.990 if you've got people in an organization, 00:35:31.990 --> 00:35:35.500 or there's a culture that tends 00:35:35.500 --> 00:35:38.550 to push the envelope a little bit, 00:35:38.550 --> 00:35:41.603 or maybe you say, "Well, we can ignore that," 00:35:41.603 --> 00:35:44.340 they say, "Well, what else are they gonna do? 00:35:44.340 --> 00:35:45.827 What else are they going to ignore it?" 00:35:45.827 --> 00:35:47.940 And I think that, 00:35:47.940 --> 00:35:50.580 and again, I think that one of the things that, 00:35:50.580 --> 00:35:53.393 sometimes, the decisions we make in this body, 00:35:54.740 --> 00:35:58.540 they do pertain to a particular incident, 00:35:58.540 --> 00:36:01.750 but they also speak to setting precedents. 00:36:01.750 --> 00:36:04.690 And looking to the future, 00:36:04.690 --> 00:36:07.160 and I know that the Charter School Association, 00:36:07.160 --> 00:36:08.920 and the charter school staff, 00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:11.040 I think that they make note of these things. 00:36:11.040 --> 00:36:14.363 And because, in the next generation they're gonna meet with, 00:36:16.410 --> 00:36:17.840 generation 26,. 00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:19.317 And they're gonna have a conversation that say, 00:36:19.317 --> 00:36:23.790 "Oh, by the way, do not, do not cross this line, 00:36:23.790 --> 00:36:25.447 do not touch the third rail." 00:36:27.131 --> 00:36:31.030 And sometimes by taking you know, 00:36:31.030 --> 00:36:33.730 protecting the prerogatives of the board, 00:36:33.730 --> 00:36:37.880 and taking a strong stand on these things, 00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:42.170 does set precedents and keeps us 00:36:42.170 --> 00:36:44.610 from having to deal with the same issues, 00:36:44.610 --> 00:36:46.060 moving forward in the future. 00:36:47.450 --> 00:36:48.673 Dr. Robinson. 00:36:49.640 --> 00:36:52.919 Yeah, I wanna agree with what member Rowley said about 00:36:52.919 --> 00:36:56.240 it would be good to get this information earlier. 00:36:56.240 --> 00:36:59.743 I would though remind y'all that, 00:37:01.050 --> 00:37:03.410 I should panel and I are going to be here 00:37:03.410 --> 00:37:04.243 a year and half. 00:37:04.243 --> 00:37:06.860 so I'm sure that, you know that next year 00:37:06.860 --> 00:37:09.353 that she would bring this more to our attention. 00:37:11.150 --> 00:37:13.313 But I think they will also ... 00:37:14.270 --> 00:37:17.363 everybody has to make their own judgment call about this. 00:37:21.400 --> 00:37:25.140 I think we should give difference to one of our colleagues, 00:37:25.140 --> 00:37:27.410 on how she interpreted all this, 00:37:27.410 --> 00:37:29.713 it's going on recently. 00:37:31.330 --> 00:37:33.090 Over ... 00:37:33.090 --> 00:37:36.510 I'm sure that pastor is a wonderful guy, and everything, 00:37:36.510 --> 00:37:37.980 but I think we should give difference 00:37:37.980 --> 00:37:40.440 to one of our colleagues on this. 00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:43.410 And then also, I mean, I think a lot of people 00:37:43.410 --> 00:37:46.560 myself didn't think the application was very strong. 00:37:46.560 --> 00:37:50.191 I mean, the point Allen was making, I don't know 00:37:50.191 --> 00:37:51.690 if y'all remember about the demographics is real. 00:37:51.690 --> 00:37:55.820 Cause when these out-of-state people come in, 00:37:55.820 --> 00:37:58.620 we do have to look at what they were doing beforehand, 00:37:58.620 --> 00:38:01.770 because when they first started, in Terrell County 00:38:01.770 --> 00:38:02.940 it just makes sense. 00:38:02.940 --> 00:38:06.210 They're gonna copy a lot of the stuff they were doing, 00:38:06.210 --> 00:38:08.560 in the San Francisco Bay area. 00:38:08.560 --> 00:38:11.960 And they had a poor track record with Hispanics over there. 00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:14.850 And so, I think that there's several reasons, 00:38:14.850 --> 00:38:17.550 that people voted to veto yesterday. 00:38:17.550 --> 00:38:19.943 And I will just ask that we maintain that. 00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:23.173 Any other comments from members? 00:38:24.007 --> 00:38:24.840 All right. 00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:27.150 Again, a roll call vote has been requested. 00:38:27.150 --> 00:38:31.900 I will remind members again that a yes is to, 00:38:31.900 --> 00:38:33.780 confirm the veto and how to ask members 00:38:33.780 --> 00:38:36.453 to strictly stick to a yes, or a no answer. 00:38:38.089 --> 00:38:39.368 Perez. 00:38:39.368 --> 00:38:41.456 Yes. 00:38:41.456 --> 00:38:42.636 Cortez. 00:38:42.636 --> 00:38:43.532 Yes. 00:38:43.532 --> 00:38:44.365 Perez-Diaz. 00:38:44.365 --> 00:38:45.260 Yes. 00:38:45.260 --> 00:38:46.290 Allen. 00:38:46.290 --> 00:38:47.300 Yes. 00:38:47.300 --> 00:38:48.331 Mercer. 00:38:48.331 --> 00:38:49.223 Yes. 00:38:49.223 --> 00:38:50.106 Bahorich . 00:38:50.106 --> 00:38:50.939 Yes. 00:38:50.939 --> 00:38:51.790 Robinson. 00:38:51.790 --> 00:38:52.710 Yes. 00:38:52.710 --> 00:38:53.543 Cargill. 00:38:53.543 --> 00:38:54.376 No. 00:38:56.020 --> 00:38:56.900 Maynard. 00:38:56.900 --> 00:38:57.810 Yes. 00:38:57.810 --> 00:38:58.906 Hardy. 00:38:58.906 --> 00:38:59.739 No. 00:38:59.739 --> 00:39:00.656 Little. 00:39:00.656 --> 00:39:01.560 Yes. 00:39:01.560 --> 00:39:02.393 Davis. 00:39:02.393 --> 00:39:03.410 Yes. 00:39:03.410 --> 00:39:04.619 Melton-Malone. 00:39:04.619 --> 00:39:05.552 [Ms. Melton-Maloe] Yes. 00:39:05.552 --> 00:39:07.478 Rowley. 00:39:07.478 --> 00:39:09.061 Yes. 00:39:14.180 --> 00:39:15.620 12 to two. 00:39:15.620 --> 00:39:19.473 On a vote of 12 to two, the veto is confirmed. 00:39:20.530 --> 00:39:23.743 Does that conclude our parliamentary actions here? 00:39:24.690 --> 00:39:25.523 Okay. 00:39:26.974 --> 00:39:28.740 Can Heather and Joe stand up, 00:39:28.740 --> 00:39:30.390 if you have any other staff here. 00:39:32.990 --> 00:39:34.710 The amount, anybody else? 00:39:34.710 --> 00:39:35.929 Okay. 00:39:35.929 --> 00:39:38.574 The amount of work it's Joanne, right? 00:39:38.574 --> 00:39:39.407 Jurian. 00:39:39.407 --> 00:39:40.717 Jurian, I'm sorry, Juran. 00:39:41.870 --> 00:39:45.530 The amount of work, you and your team does for this, 00:39:45.530 --> 00:39:48.294 I came in, Dr. Robinson said he came in 00:39:48.294 --> 00:39:51.230 a year and a half ago, almost four years now. 00:39:51.230 --> 00:39:53.630 I can't tell you how impressed I've been 00:39:53.630 --> 00:39:56.370 with the rigor and the diligence, 00:39:56.370 --> 00:39:58.480 and what this process is. 00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:00.210 I had no idea from someone on the outside 00:40:00.210 --> 00:40:01.870 when I got on this board, 00:40:01.870 --> 00:40:06.453 how incredibly, how much hard work goes into this. 00:40:07.440 --> 00:40:09.350 And so, I want to take time personally, 00:40:09.350 --> 00:40:11.750 to thank you and your team, for all the work you do. 00:40:11.750 --> 00:40:14.420 And I believe that's echoed by the whole board. 00:40:14.420 --> 00:40:15.503 Thank you very much. 00:40:15.503 --> 00:40:19.003 (applauding and cheering) 00:40:22.806 --> 00:40:25.139 Okay, how about some health? 00:40:26.227 --> 00:40:27.060 Mr. Chair. 00:40:27.060 --> 00:40:28.130 Yes, sir. 00:40:28.130 --> 00:40:30.890 Mr. Chair, I moved to suspend the rules, 00:40:30.890 --> 00:40:32.590 and permit the State Board of Education 00:40:32.590 --> 00:40:35.560 to continue consideration of the health (indistinct), 00:40:35.560 --> 00:40:37.110 with those amendments adopted 00:40:37.110 --> 00:40:40.186 by the Committee of the Full board included. 00:40:40.186 --> 00:40:42.251 Second. 00:40:42.251 --> 00:40:44.401 We have a motion and a second. 00:40:45.890 --> 00:40:47.533 So, what we're voting on now, 00:40:48.500 --> 00:40:49.520 so I can clear Ms. Kay. 00:40:49.520 --> 00:40:51.920 These are, because the actions we took place 00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:52.990 in the committee. 00:40:52.990 --> 00:40:57.084 will now basically move to the State Board of Education. 00:40:57.084 --> 00:40:59.430 So, is everyone clear on what we voting on? 00:40:59.430 --> 00:41:03.410 We're transferring our amendments we did yesterday to today. 00:41:03.410 --> 00:41:05.550 So is there any objection to that? 00:41:05.550 --> 00:41:07.922 Hearing none the motion carries. 00:41:07.922 --> 00:41:09.233 Okay, now the motion. 00:41:10.220 --> 00:41:12.759 Does that need to be in two thirds? 00:41:12.759 --> 00:41:13.592 It did (indistinct) with no objection that- 00:41:13.592 --> 00:41:14.425 There was no objection. 00:41:14.425 --> 00:41:15.420 Okay. 00:41:15.420 --> 00:41:16.940 All right, so Mr. Rowley again, 00:41:16.940 --> 00:41:18.800 I move the State Board of Education 00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:20.820 approved for first reading, 00:41:20.820 --> 00:41:23.455 and filing authorization right? 00:41:23.455 --> 00:41:24.288 Hmm. 00:41:24.288 --> 00:41:25.750 When (indistinct) now- Yes, yes. 00:41:25.750 --> 00:41:27.330 First reading and filing authorization, 00:41:27.330 --> 00:41:29.970 proposed new 19 TAC Chapter 115, 00:41:29.970 --> 00:41:31.990 Texas Essential Knowledge and Skills, 00:41:31.990 --> 00:41:35.320 for health education, Subchapter a elementary, 00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:39.670 sections, 115.11-115.17. 00:41:39.670 --> 00:41:41.290 Subchapter B middle school, 00:41:41.290 --> 00:41:46.230 sections 115.25-115.28, 00:41:46.230 --> 00:41:48.510 and Subchapter C high school, 00:41:48.510 --> 00:41:53.510 sections 115.37-115.39, as previously amended. 00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:57.954 Right? Yeah. 00:41:57.954 --> 00:41:59.100 Because we've already amended some of them, 00:41:59.100 --> 00:42:00.390 as previously amended. 00:42:00.390 --> 00:42:02.770 And we just incorporated those amendments. 00:42:02.770 --> 00:42:04.060 Into this, right. 00:42:04.060 --> 00:42:05.370 Right? 00:42:05.370 --> 00:42:06.580 But then we have additional amendment we're making now. 00:42:06.580 --> 00:42:07.450 Yeah. Right. 00:42:07.450 --> 00:42:09.730 So, the next item on the consideration 00:42:09.730 --> 00:42:14.050 to consider is 115.38 health one, Ms. Ramos. 00:42:14.050 --> 00:42:15.400 Doesn't that need a second? 00:42:15.400 --> 00:42:17.240 Oh, I'm sorry, i there a second? 00:42:17.240 --> 00:42:18.560 That's not a recommendation? 00:42:18.560 --> 00:42:19.393 Right- Right. 00:42:19.393 --> 00:42:21.600 That's the second. Okay, I need a second. 00:42:21.600 --> 00:42:24.013 Is this the point in time you would like 00:42:24.013 --> 00:42:26.430 to bring us some information? 00:42:28.160 --> 00:42:28.993 Yes, sir. 00:42:28.993 --> 00:42:32.840 So as you know, the work groups restructured, 00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:37.460 the health TEKS significantly all around a new framework. 00:42:37.460 --> 00:42:40.260 And essentially it was a lot of almost starting 00:42:40.260 --> 00:42:42.370 from scratch in many ways. 00:42:42.370 --> 00:42:45.000 And they did a great job, 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:47.170 but it's raised a point of concern for us 00:42:47.170 --> 00:42:49.840 with the high school health one course. 00:42:49.840 --> 00:42:51.220 Traditionally for many years, 00:42:51.220 --> 00:42:54.119 that course has been half credit course. 00:42:54.119 --> 00:42:56.400 And based on the amount of content 00:42:56.400 --> 00:42:59.070 that they've added, to health one, 00:42:59.070 --> 00:43:01.150 we have made a recommendation to the board 00:43:01.150 --> 00:43:03.950 that it become a one credit course. 00:43:03.950 --> 00:43:06.810 The problem that poses though, 00:43:06.810 --> 00:43:09.540 is that many, many districts, 00:43:09.540 --> 00:43:11.570 have built their schedules around it 00:43:11.570 --> 00:43:13.340 as a half credit course. 00:43:13.340 --> 00:43:15.020 And I think we have some concern 00:43:15.020 --> 00:43:17.690 that that would remove flexibility for districts, 00:43:17.690 --> 00:43:19.560 to continue to offer health one 00:43:19.560 --> 00:43:20.640 to their high school students. 00:43:20.640 --> 00:43:24.770 So, we have taken the liberty of, 00:43:24.770 --> 00:43:28.370 taking a look at the student expectations for health one, 00:43:28.370 --> 00:43:30.470 and recommending, 00:43:30.470 --> 00:43:33.060 if the board wishes to go down this path, 00:43:33.060 --> 00:43:35.900 we have some thoughts on how you might be able to, 00:43:35.900 --> 00:43:40.140 divide the content into two half credit courses. 00:43:40.140 --> 00:43:44.550 So that districts continue to have the flexibility, 00:43:44.550 --> 00:43:46.320 for that half credit high school course, 00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:49.453 which is really critical and master schedules, I understand. 00:43:50.470 --> 00:43:52.360 But the content would remain the same. 00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:54.470 They could continue to offer both, 00:43:54.470 --> 00:43:57.200 what we would propose calling health one and health two. 00:43:57.200 --> 00:43:58.930 Chairman, just for the record, 00:43:58.930 --> 00:44:00.810 I wanna make one clarification. 00:44:00.810 --> 00:44:02.560 We really didn't take the liberty. 00:44:02.560 --> 00:44:05.229 We did discuss this with the chair, and got his approval- 00:44:05.229 --> 00:44:06.617 I was gonna say that, yeah. (laughing) 00:44:06.617 --> 00:44:09.150 To make this recommendation. 00:44:09.150 --> 00:44:11.135 I know lots of folks are listening, 00:44:11.135 --> 00:44:14.523 and I really don't want anybody to think we went rogue. 00:44:14.523 --> 00:44:17.803 I concur with that as accurate. 00:44:18.700 --> 00:44:21.550 So, again there's no real good options here. 00:44:21.550 --> 00:44:22.940 If we leave this at one credit, 00:44:22.940 --> 00:44:25.830 Ms. Hardy can attest, Ms. Hardy's gonna ... 00:44:25.830 --> 00:44:28.640 To when we tried to do personal financial literacy, 00:44:28.640 --> 00:44:29.950 and add an extra half credit, 00:44:29.950 --> 00:44:31.430 what that does to schedules, 00:44:31.430 --> 00:44:33.070 and the conflicts that create. 00:44:33.070 --> 00:44:35.650 So, if we have this as a four credit. 00:44:35.650 --> 00:44:38.620 we're gonna run into those types of issues. 00:44:38.620 --> 00:44:41.161 The other recommendation that I talked over staff with was, 00:44:41.161 --> 00:44:44.750 we split this in half, doing three strands in one class, 00:44:44.750 --> 00:44:45.660 and three in the other. 00:44:45.660 --> 00:44:48.020 And I think that would lead to if a student 00:44:48.020 --> 00:44:51.930 ends up taking the first half, and another second half, 00:44:51.930 --> 00:44:52.930 they wouldn't get exposed 00:44:52.930 --> 00:44:55.500 to essentially half of the material. 00:44:55.500 --> 00:44:58.050 So, I think the best option in my mind 00:44:58.050 --> 00:45:00.517 was to split it into two half credit courses, 00:45:00.517 --> 00:45:04.530 and to take some of each of the six strands in one course. 00:45:04.530 --> 00:45:06.700 And the other part of each of those streams 00:45:06.700 --> 00:45:07.533 to the other course, 00:45:07.533 --> 00:45:10.120 and that is what's being proposed here, 00:45:10.120 --> 00:45:11.993 for comment by the board. 00:45:14.621 --> 00:45:15.454 (indistinct). 00:45:15.454 --> 00:45:16.920 Mr. Rowley, and then Ms. Hardy. 00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:19.108 So, do we need a motion 00:45:19.108 --> 00:45:24.108 that we divide the strands as proposed by staff? 00:45:25.130 --> 00:45:27.930 So, I think emotion would be help 00:45:27.930 --> 00:45:29.940 of the other thing we just want to point out is that 00:45:29.940 --> 00:45:33.310 we recognize that you are likely about to amend, 00:45:33.310 --> 00:45:34.190 these standards. 00:45:34.190 --> 00:45:37.343 So we would, if this looks like something 00:45:37.343 --> 00:45:38.960 that you're interested in doing, 00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:42.030 we would then take your amended version 00:45:42.030 --> 00:45:45.280 and try to structure it in this way. 00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:47.800 So that members of the public could see it, 00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:49.380 as those two separate courses, 00:45:49.380 --> 00:45:52.768 but it would generally, align with what you're seeing here. 00:45:52.768 --> 00:45:53.713 Okay. So Mr. 00:45:53.713 --> 00:45:55.630 Okay, so Mr. Chair, I move that we direct staff, 00:45:55.630 --> 00:45:58.910 to divide the student expectations, 00:45:58.910 --> 00:46:02.803 into a health one and health two, courses, 00:46:04.120 --> 00:46:06.320 as based upon the amendments 00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:09.440 that we're about to adopt at this point. 00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:11.393 Do we have a second motion a second? 00:46:11.393 --> 00:46:12.226 Second. 00:46:12.226 --> 00:46:13.680 Motion has a second. 00:46:13.680 --> 00:46:15.093 Is there any objection to that? 00:46:15.970 --> 00:46:18.715 Hearing none the, objection or just a question? 00:46:18.715 --> 00:46:19.548 Don't know. 00:46:19.548 --> 00:46:21.293 Okay. Ms. Hardy find out, huh. 00:46:24.270 --> 00:46:29.270 I just think that we have the idea 00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:31.360 of taking a health class. 00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:32.853 A one semester course, 00:46:33.890 --> 00:46:36.410 is fairly popular in about what? 00:46:36.410 --> 00:46:38.880 Two thirds of the state, 00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:40.580 because that has been required 00:46:40.580 --> 00:46:42.440 by their local school district. 00:46:42.440 --> 00:46:45.363 They decided that it's important to take a health class. 00:46:46.640 --> 00:46:49.470 I think that we will be better of keeping it 00:46:49.470 --> 00:46:51.510 as one class, one health class, 00:46:51.510 --> 00:46:55.563 one health class, and having a half credit. 00:46:56.820 --> 00:46:59.420 They can match the other half credit with different things. 00:46:59.420 --> 00:47:03.640 But we talked about the African-American studies, 00:47:03.640 --> 00:47:08.590 and the Mexican-American studies, that they could take, 00:47:08.590 --> 00:47:11.230 get credit for taking half of credit of that. 00:47:11.230 --> 00:47:14.010 In other words, if their schedules are tight, 00:47:14.010 --> 00:47:16.567 they could take one half credit, 00:47:16.567 --> 00:47:19.980 of the one half of the year of that course, 00:47:19.980 --> 00:47:21.213 and still get credit. 00:47:22.360 --> 00:47:25.873 And I realized they could do that with this health as well. 00:47:27.380 --> 00:47:28.543 Am I right Monica? 00:47:29.913 --> 00:47:33.850 So I think what we're recommending 00:47:33.850 --> 00:47:37.060 is giving districts the flexibility to do a semester course, 00:47:37.060 --> 00:47:39.130 The problem is, I was just trying to pull it up. 00:47:39.130 --> 00:47:40.270 The problem is, 00:47:40.270 --> 00:47:44.570 that you have a very large number of student expectations. 00:47:44.570 --> 00:47:47.770 We don't believe that if you keep it together, 00:47:47.770 --> 00:47:50.917 it is possible to cover that much content- 00:47:50.917 --> 00:47:51.750 Hmm. 00:47:51.750 --> 00:47:52.810 In a semester. 00:47:52.810 --> 00:47:54.170 And so that's why we're saying, 00:47:54.170 --> 00:47:55.970 if you have two courses, 00:47:55.970 --> 00:47:58.630 districts can teach one the other or both, 00:47:58.630 --> 00:48:00.340 so they can have a semester course 00:48:00.340 --> 00:48:02.220 if that's what they want to do, 00:48:02.220 --> 00:48:04.590 they can have put those two together, 00:48:04.590 --> 00:48:06.400 and teach it as a full credit course, 00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:08.680 or they can have this other semester course. 00:48:08.680 --> 00:48:12.060 So, that would give districts maximum flexibility. 00:48:12.060 --> 00:48:15.610 And this is all just because of the amount of content 00:48:15.610 --> 00:48:18.203 that you currently have in the proposal. 00:48:19.060 --> 00:48:21.080 I think the proposal we're entertaining 00:48:21.080 --> 00:48:22.890 does meet your concerns, 00:48:22.890 --> 00:48:26.013 that it would still be offered as a half credit course. 00:48:27.640 --> 00:48:28.660 Two half credit courses, 00:48:28.660 --> 00:48:30.000 now they can choose to do one, 00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:33.550 or they just choose to do both, does that make sense? 00:48:33.550 --> 00:48:34.956 I'm kind of confused, but- 00:48:34.956 --> 00:48:35.789 Okay- I'll go- 00:48:35.789 --> 00:48:36.622 Let's keep talking through it. (laughs) 00:48:36.622 --> 00:48:38.022 So, we make sure, (clears throat) 00:48:38.022 --> 00:48:38.855 I want to, 00:48:38.855 --> 00:48:39.922 I don't want to leave it with any confusion. (coughs) 00:48:39.922 --> 00:48:42.420 So, in a school district 00:48:42.420 --> 00:48:45.180 where they say you have to have a one half credit course, 00:48:45.180 --> 00:48:46.283 are they gonna say, 00:48:47.720 --> 00:48:48.810 determine which course, 00:48:48.810 --> 00:48:50.310 or either course, or both courses, 00:48:50.310 --> 00:48:53.050 or you could do all of it in one course? 00:48:53.050 --> 00:48:54.570 They can do any of that. 00:48:54.570 --> 00:48:55.403 Right. Okay. 00:48:55.403 --> 00:48:57.140 They could do any of those options. 00:48:57.140 --> 00:48:57.973 Okay. And so, 00:48:57.973 --> 00:49:00.240 I think what we're trying to do is preserve, 00:49:00.240 --> 00:49:02.640 all of the standards that have been recommended, 00:49:03.580 --> 00:49:06.390 but recognize that it is a lot of content- 00:49:06.390 --> 00:49:07.548 Too much in one (indistinct). 00:49:07.548 --> 00:49:08.381 And I don't remebmer, 00:49:08.381 --> 00:49:11.720 I wanna say it's like 130 or 140 standards in the course. 00:49:11.720 --> 00:49:15.240 So, if you just think about that amount of content, 00:49:15.240 --> 00:49:17.320 that's why we've got this might be, 00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:18.870 the option that's would give, 00:49:18.870 --> 00:49:21.013 all districts maximum flexibility. 00:49:22.144 --> 00:49:22.977 Okay. 00:49:22.977 --> 00:49:23.810 [Mr. Crowley] Mr. Chair. 00:49:23.810 --> 00:49:24.740 To keep it at one course, 00:49:24.740 --> 00:49:28.253 that would need to be for practical purposes of full credit. 00:49:28.253 --> 00:49:29.086 (clears throat) 00:49:29.086 --> 00:49:30.210 There would likely be districts 00:49:30.210 --> 00:49:32.110 that might not no longer require that 00:49:32.110 --> 00:49:33.370 as a graduation credit, 00:49:33.370 --> 00:49:35.070 because there's not that extra time, 00:49:35.070 --> 00:49:38.059 to go from what they require now is just to have credit. 00:49:38.059 --> 00:49:39.835 As I alluded to before, 00:49:39.835 --> 00:49:41.310 when we were trying to work 00:49:41.310 --> 00:49:43.754 through personal financial literacy. 00:49:43.754 --> 00:49:44.930 You still offer ethics. 00:49:44.930 --> 00:49:45.980 Absolutely. 00:49:45.980 --> 00:49:47.978 Okay, all right, Mr. 00:49:47.978 --> 00:49:50.443 Cortez, and this Ms. Perez-Diaz and then Mr. Maynard. 00:49:54.200 --> 00:49:56.350 Do y'all believe at all that this may, 00:49:56.350 --> 00:49:58.470 confuse some of the schools. 00:49:58.470 --> 00:50:01.670 If two thirds of our state is only used 00:50:01.670 --> 00:50:04.360 to giving a half credit. 00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:06.280 Once we set it up differently, 00:50:06.280 --> 00:50:09.490 and we offer either the half or the full? 00:50:09.490 --> 00:50:10.604 I actually- 00:50:10.604 --> 00:50:13.153 Because then students wouldn't receive all of the content, 00:50:15.120 --> 00:50:16.470 I mean, it's already a lot of content, 00:50:16.470 --> 00:50:18.040 it's always been. 00:50:18.040 --> 00:50:19.220 A lot of content. 00:50:19.220 --> 00:50:20.053 So. 00:50:20.053 --> 00:50:21.460 So, two things, 00:50:21.460 --> 00:50:23.530 the content for the proposed course 00:50:23.530 --> 00:50:26.202 that you have in front of you, the one half credit course, 00:50:26.202 --> 00:50:30.360 greatly upon the current health one course. 00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:32.929 So, that already poses a dilemma. 00:50:32.929 --> 00:50:36.980 I think it actually minimizes confusion for districts, 00:50:36.980 --> 00:50:39.110 because it would maintain 00:50:39.110 --> 00:50:42.270 a half credit health offering in high school, 00:50:42.270 --> 00:50:45.020 for districts who wanted to offer both halfs of it. 00:50:45.020 --> 00:50:47.633 It gives them the ability to do that. 00:50:49.130 --> 00:50:51.780 And I will point out one thing we tried to do 00:50:51.780 --> 00:50:55.460 as we made recommendations for how to split the content, 00:50:55.460 --> 00:50:59.460 is we tried to do that based on the complexity 00:50:59.460 --> 00:51:00.990 of the student expectation. 00:51:00.990 --> 00:51:04.000 So the more, and I hate to use this word, 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:04.960 but I can't think of another one. 00:51:04.960 --> 00:51:07.910 The more elementary student expectations 00:51:07.910 --> 00:51:08.743 went into health one 00:51:08.743 --> 00:51:10.640 and the more advanced student expectations 00:51:10.640 --> 00:51:11.760 went into health two, 00:51:11.760 --> 00:51:16.410 but maintaining the same strands across both courses. 00:51:16.410 --> 00:51:18.134 If I can just follow up to that. 00:51:18.134 --> 00:51:19.280 Sure. 00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:22.180 So, I guess under this scenario, right? 00:51:22.180 --> 00:51:25.680 It wouldn't matter in that ISD 00:51:25.680 --> 00:51:28.380 if they offer that first half of the year, 00:51:28.380 --> 00:51:30.300 or the second half of the year, 00:51:30.300 --> 00:51:32.940 in terms of fulfilling the requirement of that half credit. 00:51:32.940 --> 00:51:34.438 Correct? 00:51:34.438 --> 00:51:35.340 That's right. 00:51:35.340 --> 00:51:36.173 Okay. 00:51:36.173 --> 00:51:37.143 Ms. Perez-Diaz. 00:51:39.750 --> 00:51:41.400 I think my question was answered 00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:43.070 by that last statement. 00:51:43.070 --> 00:51:44.410 So it'll be, 00:51:44.410 --> 00:51:48.820 so each course divided will be health one, health two. 00:51:48.820 --> 00:51:50.660 But, if a student comes in 00:51:50.660 --> 00:51:52.670 and this is the very first health class that they're taking, 00:51:52.670 --> 00:51:55.490 but the district decides we're gonna offer health two, 00:51:55.490 --> 00:51:57.010 there aren't going to be any prerequisites, 00:51:57.010 --> 00:51:58.152 or anything like that. 00:51:58.152 --> 00:51:58.985 It's just gonna be, 00:51:58.985 --> 00:52:02.110 they can go straight to help too, is that correct? 00:52:02.110 --> 00:52:03.580 That is correct. 00:52:03.580 --> 00:52:06.610 So one question that, that we do have, 00:52:06.610 --> 00:52:08.690 we were going to recommend 00:52:08.690 --> 00:52:11.880 the prerequisite of health one for health two, 00:52:11.880 --> 00:52:16.200 but it was simply a recommendation for prerequisite, 00:52:16.200 --> 00:52:17.880 which in many of your courses you have. 00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:20.230 Which means that the district ultimately gets 00:52:20.230 --> 00:52:22.430 to make the decision regarding prerequisite. 00:52:25.183 --> 00:52:27.520 Okay, so I think that 00:52:27.520 --> 00:52:30.280 I'm gonna have to sit on that 00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:34.593 for just a little bit personally, but I think, 00:52:35.500 --> 00:52:38.380 so that I can make the most informed decision possible. 00:52:38.380 --> 00:52:40.563 So then in health one, 00:52:40.563 --> 00:52:44.240 the same content will be covered, 00:52:44.240 --> 00:52:45.870 just as you said. 00:52:45.870 --> 00:52:46.870 And I don't blame you. 00:52:46.870 --> 00:52:48.720 I don't know a different kind of term 00:52:50.336 --> 00:52:52.450 at a less advanced level, 00:52:52.450 --> 00:52:55.690 but we expect that the same content will be covered 00:52:55.690 --> 00:52:56.860 in both courses. 00:52:56.860 --> 00:52:59.340 It's just a matter of how rigorous one is 00:52:59.340 --> 00:53:01.470 versus the other, is that correct? 00:53:01.470 --> 00:53:04.410 I think that's a safe summary 00:53:04.410 --> 00:53:06.120 of how we divided it, yes ma'am. 00:53:06.120 --> 00:53:07.720 Okay, thank you. 00:53:07.720 --> 00:53:08.870 Before I call him Mr. Maynard, 00:53:08.870 --> 00:53:10.405 let me follow up on that. 00:53:10.405 --> 00:53:12.360 Because it's along the same line. 00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:13.560 I'm on a prerequisite. 00:53:13.560 --> 00:53:16.540 I imagine that's typically because one part of the content 00:53:16.540 --> 00:53:18.710 is building upon something previous. 00:53:18.710 --> 00:53:21.230 If we kind of just divide this in two pieces, 00:53:21.230 --> 00:53:24.210 would you feel that the part in the second course 00:53:24.210 --> 00:53:25.810 will be building upon the first? 00:53:26.650 --> 00:53:28.840 It builds upon it to an extent, 00:53:28.840 --> 00:53:32.305 but I don't believe it's essential. 00:53:32.305 --> 00:53:34.750 So, I think that really is a decision 00:53:34.750 --> 00:53:35.583 for the board to make, 00:53:35.583 --> 00:53:37.470 if you decide to go down this route, 00:53:37.470 --> 00:53:41.580 You can require a health one as a prerequisite for health 00:53:41.580 --> 00:53:43.310 You can require a health one 00:53:43.310 --> 00:53:45.080 as a prerequisite for health two, 00:53:45.080 --> 00:53:46.983 or you could recommend, 00:53:48.680 --> 00:53:50.963 health one as a prerequisite to health two. 00:53:53.170 --> 00:53:56.070 Well, I think that recommending it, 00:53:56.070 --> 00:54:00.120 or having no prerequisite are both acceptable. 00:54:00.120 --> 00:54:00.953 Okay. 00:54:00.953 --> 00:54:01.794 The way we would land on that- I would not recommend 00:54:01.794 --> 00:54:03.141 that (indistinct)- We'll have 00:54:03.141 --> 00:54:04.390 plenty of time for input from the community 00:54:04.390 --> 00:54:05.560 between them, Mr. Maynard. Exactly. 00:54:05.560 --> 00:54:06.393 Yeah, 00:54:06.393 --> 00:54:10.020 and I think I would just also just remind everybody 00:54:10.020 --> 00:54:11.870 that remember that the standards 00:54:11.870 --> 00:54:15.675 are a floor and not a ceiling, and this is that. 00:54:15.675 --> 00:54:17.060 And so, 00:54:17.060 --> 00:54:19.210 if a school district chose to simply offer, 00:54:20.350 --> 00:54:22.500 health one in one semester, 00:54:22.500 --> 00:54:24.560 that doesn't necessarily preclude, 00:54:24.560 --> 00:54:26.640 them from teaching, pulling some of the content over 00:54:26.640 --> 00:54:28.300 from health two into that, 00:54:28.300 --> 00:54:32.850 if the teacher or perhaps the health advisory council, 00:54:32.850 --> 00:54:34.450 determined that that would be beneficial 00:54:34.450 --> 00:54:35.570 under the circumstances. 00:54:35.570 --> 00:54:36.403 And so, 00:54:36.403 --> 00:54:38.762 if they believe that they could get that covered, 00:54:38.762 --> 00:54:42.043 they could in fact cover some of the ... 00:54:43.080 --> 00:54:44.670 Pull some of the material over to health two, 00:54:44.670 --> 00:54:46.480 and go ahead and cover that material in health one, 00:54:46.480 --> 00:54:48.280 if that's what they chose to do, 00:54:48.280 --> 00:54:50.750 would that be fair to say? 00:54:50.750 --> 00:54:52.145 If that's what they chose to do. 00:54:52.145 --> 00:54:53.797 If that's what they chose to do, 00:54:53.797 --> 00:54:54.630 they could always do that. 00:54:54.630 --> 00:54:55.520 They can always do that. 00:55:00.940 --> 00:55:02.430 I don't intend to complicate, 00:55:02.430 --> 00:55:03.410 but I just wanna make sure, 00:55:03.410 --> 00:55:05.043 because I'll get this question. 00:55:06.150 --> 00:55:09.620 If I'm in charge of setting up the curriculum, 00:55:09.620 --> 00:55:14.220 and I wanted to take the bulk of one in two, 00:55:14.220 --> 00:55:19.060 and I wanted to do one through four, 00:55:19.060 --> 00:55:21.240 knowledge and skill statements. 00:55:21.240 --> 00:55:25.510 And then, in other words, complete all of it 00:55:25.510 --> 00:55:30.510 instead of dividing it the way that it's divided here. 00:55:30.660 --> 00:55:35.660 Teach one through six knowledge and skill statements, 00:55:35.890 --> 00:55:39.180 and then six through whatever, in the second course, 00:55:39.180 --> 00:55:41.523 would the school have the option to do that? 00:55:43.100 --> 00:55:44.270 No, ma'am the only way 00:55:44.270 --> 00:55:46.470 they would have the option to do that, 00:55:46.470 --> 00:55:50.160 is if you were to maintain the current proposal 00:55:50.160 --> 00:55:52.023 for a one credit course, 00:55:53.520 --> 00:55:56.910 because a district can always award credit proportionally. 00:55:56.910 --> 00:56:00.840 So, if they taught only half of a one credit course, 00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:03.080 they would award half of credit for it. 00:56:03.080 --> 00:56:04.540 The thing I would point out though, 00:56:04.540 --> 00:56:06.630 and you mentioned African-American studies 00:56:06.630 --> 00:56:07.940 is a good example. 00:56:07.940 --> 00:56:11.370 We did hear feedback from districts that, 00:56:11.370 --> 00:56:13.801 they are less inclined to offer it, 00:56:13.801 --> 00:56:15.730 because it's a one credit course. 00:56:15.730 --> 00:56:17.620 They are more inclined to offer courses 00:56:17.620 --> 00:56:18.800 when they are half credits. 00:56:18.800 --> 00:56:22.313 So, one of the reasons for our recommendation is that, 00:56:23.150 --> 00:56:24.930 it gives districts a flexibility 00:56:24.930 --> 00:56:26.930 that they have told us they are seeking. 00:56:28.300 --> 00:56:29.163 Okay. 00:56:32.497 --> 00:56:34.870 All right, any other questions from members? 00:56:36.315 --> 00:56:37.366 Mr. Maynard. 00:56:37.366 --> 00:56:38.837 Just reminder to have, 00:56:38.837 --> 00:56:39.670 just a question for staff, 00:56:39.670 --> 00:56:42.760 and I don't know if you just a ballpark, 00:56:42.760 --> 00:56:46.130 but, the health one is optional, right? 00:56:46.130 --> 00:56:48.115 I mean, in high school? 00:56:48.115 --> 00:56:48.948 Yes. Districts 00:56:48.948 --> 00:56:51.390 can make it a graduation requirement at their option. 00:56:51.390 --> 00:56:53.447 And just out of curiosity- Two thirds 00:56:53.447 --> 00:56:54.740 of them- Do we know how many 00:56:54.740 --> 00:56:56.750 school districts are offering that? 00:56:56.750 --> 00:56:57.959 Yeah, two thirds of them. 00:56:57.959 --> 00:57:00.042 About two thirds, okay. 00:57:01.844 --> 00:57:04.010 All right, any other comments? 00:57:04.010 --> 00:57:07.600 So, we have the motion and the second for this, correct? 00:57:07.600 --> 00:57:10.223 Is there any objection to this proposal? 00:57:12.620 --> 00:57:14.563 Hearing none the motion carries. 00:57:15.700 --> 00:57:17.269 Okay, Ms. Ramon said anything else? 00:57:17.269 --> 00:57:18.333 Okay. 00:57:19.300 --> 00:57:23.770 So, that takes us to begin the amendment process 00:57:23.770 --> 00:57:27.363 at health one, Ms. Kay, any comments you ready to go? 00:57:28.609 --> 00:57:29.687 Yeah. 00:57:29.687 --> 00:57:30.520 All right. 00:57:36.240 --> 00:57:38.796 Is Ms. Bahorich gonna- Yes. 00:57:38.796 --> 00:57:40.741 Okay, Ms. Bahorich can you let us know, 00:57:40.741 --> 00:57:41.970 so we all know what what document we're working on. 00:57:41.970 --> 00:57:42.803 Yeah. 00:57:42.803 --> 00:57:45.530 So, it's the same sheet that you've been working off, 00:57:45.530 --> 00:57:49.133 of course, Ms. Kay have it up on the monitors. 00:57:50.025 --> 00:57:52.858 (papers flipping) 00:57:57.180 --> 00:58:02.180 Okay, I'm going to suggest that number one for health one, 00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:07.270 be deleted. 00:58:07.270 --> 00:58:11.230 And if you look at what the students expected to do there, 00:58:11.230 --> 00:58:16.004 it's to examine the effects of health behaviors 00:58:16.004 --> 00:58:17.863 on body systems. 00:58:22.211 --> 00:58:24.660 I mean, that is what the course says, 00:58:24.660 --> 00:58:27.080 in the physical health and hygiene, 00:58:27.080 --> 00:58:28.990 and the food area and that sort of thing. 00:58:28.990 --> 00:58:30.063 It's health behavior. 00:58:31.260 --> 00:58:32.536 Mental health et cetera. 00:58:32.536 --> 00:58:34.200 Second. 00:58:34.200 --> 00:58:36.250 We have a motion and a second. 00:58:36.250 --> 00:58:37.653 So it's a duplication. 00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:41.320 Any other further discussion? 00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:42.377 Any objection? 00:58:42.377 --> 00:58:43.713 The motion carries. 00:58:45.950 --> 00:58:47.423 Three B, 00:58:48.863 --> 00:58:50.520 and this is in keeping with the amendments 00:58:50.520 --> 00:58:54.443 we've already made in sixth and seventh, eighth, 00:58:57.990 --> 00:58:58.863 three B. 00:59:00.730 --> 00:59:04.130 Would just be the ad and perspectives there. 00:59:04.130 --> 00:59:07.230 Respect for individuals differences and perspectives. 00:59:07.230 --> 00:59:08.692 Do we have a second? 00:59:08.692 --> 00:59:09.900 Second. 00:59:09.900 --> 00:59:11.650 Any discussion? 00:59:11.650 --> 00:59:12.770 Any objection? 00:59:12.770 --> 00:59:13.763 Motion carries. 00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:16.690 Next one four B, 00:59:16.690 --> 00:59:19.220 add mental before health information. 00:59:19.220 --> 00:59:20.730 We did that last night for seven days, 00:59:20.730 --> 00:59:22.773 and just suggesting continued. 00:59:23.747 --> 00:59:24.890 Second. 00:59:24.890 --> 00:59:26.640 The motion and a second. 00:59:26.640 --> 00:59:27.473 Any discussion? 00:59:28.490 --> 00:59:29.800 Any objection? 00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:31.470 Motion carries. 00:59:31.470 --> 00:59:34.060 We amended seventh, eith last night. 00:59:34.060 --> 00:59:35.350 So, this amendment, 00:59:35.350 --> 00:59:38.053 or what I'm gonna propose will be in alignment. 00:59:39.300 --> 00:59:44.300 So, it'll say, I want to insert, analyze, 00:59:45.727 --> 00:59:47.240 (papers flipping) 00:59:47.240 --> 00:59:52.000 how adverse childhood experiences such as neglect or sorry, 00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:55.330 abuse, neglect and trauma, can influence. 00:59:55.330 --> 00:59:59.100 We did that last night can influence yeah. 00:59:59.100 --> 01:00:02.760 Brain development and how to recognize 01:00:02.760 --> 01:00:05.890 instead of capitalized we changed that. 01:00:05.890 --> 01:00:08.060 So, it's how to recognize, comma, 01:00:08.060 --> 01:00:12.130 process, comma and overcome negative stress. 01:00:12.130 --> 01:00:13.251 Second. 01:00:13.251 --> 01:00:14.795 [Ms. Bahorich ] negative events, sorry. 01:00:14.795 --> 01:00:15.628 Negative event. 01:00:15.628 --> 01:00:17.170 We have a motion and a second. 01:00:17.170 --> 01:00:18.393 Is there any objection? 01:00:19.230 --> 01:00:20.380 Motion carries. 01:00:25.660 --> 01:00:28.863 Seven A, is a duplicate of eight C, 01:00:29.990 --> 01:00:31.990 in your rule text. 01:00:31.990 --> 01:00:35.020 Seven A is a duplicate of eight C, 01:00:35.020 --> 01:00:36.895 and I've suggest just delete. 01:00:36.895 --> 01:00:38.446 Do we have a second? 01:00:38.446 --> 01:00:39.279 [Ms. Melton-Malone] Second. 01:00:39.279 --> 01:00:40.900 Any discussion? 01:00:40.900 --> 01:00:42.730 Motion carries. 01:00:42.730 --> 01:00:43.900 Can you find it in your rule text? 01:00:43.900 --> 01:00:45.122 No. 01:00:45.122 --> 01:00:46.421 Well, you need in your rule text. 01:00:46.421 --> 01:00:47.409 You gotta have your rule text to find it- 01:00:47.409 --> 01:00:49.000 (indistinct). 01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:52.873 Seven A is a duplicate of eight C. 01:00:57.590 --> 01:00:59.567 I wasn't necessarily (indistinct), 01:01:02.155 --> 01:01:04.185 but, I'm sorry I didn't want to interaupt you (indistinct)- 01:01:04.185 --> 01:01:05.018 Not at all. Ms. Perez-Diaz, 01:01:05.018 --> 01:01:05.851 is your microphone on? 01:01:05.851 --> 01:01:07.517 Oh, I'm sorry. It went so fast, 01:01:07.517 --> 01:01:08.730 I didn't have a chance to even find it, 01:01:08.730 --> 01:01:12.920 but so seven A starts with describe the relationships 01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:16.523 whereas eight, what was it eight C? 01:01:17.780 --> 01:01:19.020 Eight C analyze the relationship. 01:01:19.020 --> 01:01:20.660 Aha, describe and analyze 01:01:20.660 --> 01:01:22.790 are two different things. 01:01:22.790 --> 01:01:24.755 Right, so I'm deleting describe, 01:01:24.755 --> 01:01:27.563 cause you're gonna already be describing an analyzing. 01:01:29.330 --> 01:01:30.163 Okay, yeah. 01:01:30.163 --> 01:01:32.580 Okay, that's fine, I just wanted to double check- 01:01:32.580 --> 01:01:33.413 (indistinct)- 01:01:33.413 --> 01:01:35.830 Yup, okay. 01:01:37.608 --> 01:01:38.441 All right. 01:01:38.441 --> 01:01:40.553 We've got the motion we got the second, we're in discussion. 01:01:41.860 --> 01:01:43.023 Any further discussion? 01:01:44.160 --> 01:01:45.257 Ms. Perez-Diaz are you okay? 01:01:45.257 --> 01:01:46.660 I'm fine. Okay. 01:01:46.660 --> 01:01:47.493 Any objection? 01:01:48.910 --> 01:01:51.080 Hearing none, motion carries. 01:01:51.080 --> 01:01:52.020 Seven B, 01:01:52.020 --> 01:01:54.500 evaluate food labels and menus 01:01:54.500 --> 01:01:57.636 for nutrition content and value. 01:01:57.636 --> 01:02:00.390 And I suggest including considering 01:02:00.390 --> 01:02:02.480 recommended daily calories, 01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:04.583 that's something to continue from seventh and eighth, 01:02:04.583 --> 01:02:06.110 that we approve last night. 01:02:06.110 --> 01:02:07.323 Second. 01:02:07.323 --> 01:02:09.123 A motion and a second. 01:02:10.136 --> 01:02:10.969 Any discussion? 01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:12.953 Any objection? 01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:15.290 Motion carries. 01:02:15.290 --> 01:02:19.420 Seven E, we did this in sixth grade 01:02:19.420 --> 01:02:23.600 when there was a discussion about a longterm dietary plan, 01:02:23.600 --> 01:02:25.300 we added the word realistic. 01:02:25.300 --> 01:02:27.700 And so I wanted to carry it through here. 01:02:27.700 --> 01:02:31.130 And then the word personal dietary plan 01:02:31.130 --> 01:02:33.190 that promotes individual and family 01:02:33.190 --> 01:02:36.293 and dropping off community health, 01:02:37.150 --> 01:02:38.030 in this instance, 01:02:38.030 --> 01:02:41.660 because that's a lot of content to go into that. 01:02:43.305 --> 01:02:44.244 Do we have a second? 01:02:44.244 --> 01:02:45.380 Second. 01:02:45.380 --> 01:02:46.783 Any discussion? 01:02:48.140 --> 01:02:49.600 Any objections? 01:02:49.600 --> 01:02:50.620 Motion carries. 01:02:53.860 --> 01:02:55.423 Eight B, 01:02:56.588 --> 01:03:00.380 analyze the relationship between nutrition, 01:03:00.380 --> 01:03:01.430 physical activity, 01:03:01.430 --> 01:03:04.400 and insert, and quality of life, 01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:06.460 and delete, and disease, 01:03:06.460 --> 01:03:08.823 because it's in 10 B already, 01:03:09.690 --> 01:03:11.853 as they relate to mental health and social, 01:03:12.700 --> 01:03:14.430 mental, physical, and social health. 01:03:14.430 --> 01:03:15.570 Second- Second. 01:03:15.570 --> 01:03:17.373 A motion and a second. Any discussion? 01:03:18.770 --> 01:03:19.703 Any objection? 01:03:20.540 --> 01:03:21.503 Motion carries. 01:03:26.338 --> 01:03:29.390 Okay. 01:03:29.390 --> 01:03:31.050 Suggest for eight C, 01:03:31.050 --> 01:03:33.970 to edit the end of physical activity, comma, 01:03:33.970 --> 01:03:36.480 including how to balance caloric intake 01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:38.780 and physical activity expenditures. 01:03:38.780 --> 01:03:41.520 That would be a continuation of the thought 01:03:41.520 --> 01:03:44.113 for seventh and eighth, for C. 01:03:44.113 --> 01:03:44.946 Second. 01:03:44.946 --> 01:03:46.520 A motion and a second, Ms. Perez-Diaz? 01:03:48.836 --> 01:03:50.198 Member Bahorich. 01:03:50.198 --> 01:03:53.783 did we use that language expenditures in seventh, eight? 01:03:54.790 --> 01:03:55.623 Let me look at, 01:03:55.623 --> 01:03:56.470 let me look just real quick. 01:03:56.470 --> 01:03:58.900 I asked you cause that's not quite clear. 01:03:58.900 --> 01:04:00.460 I don't know. 01:04:00.460 --> 01:04:03.460 I think it's called balance between there, 01:04:03.460 --> 01:04:04.463 but let me look. 01:04:08.883 --> 01:04:09.734 All right. 01:04:09.734 --> 01:04:11.166 Cause I don't know if this is a dumb comment. 01:04:11.166 --> 01:04:13.590 I don't know what physical activity expenditures 01:04:13.590 --> 01:04:15.556 is meant to, significant- 01:04:15.556 --> 01:04:17.920 Well, it's any other calories, but I mean, 01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:22.040 if we want to say to balance- 01:04:23.740 --> 01:04:25.249 (indistinct). 01:04:25.249 --> 01:04:26.470 Well, caloric balance, 01:04:26.470 --> 01:04:28.340 caloric and activity balance, 01:04:28.340 --> 01:04:32.050 we could do physical activity balance. 01:04:32.050 --> 01:04:34.324 Cause that's the concept, is that it has to stay balanced. 01:04:34.324 --> 01:04:36.167 Got it. 01:04:36.167 --> 01:04:37.030 Yeah, I think expenditures. 01:04:37.030 --> 01:04:40.610 Yeah, maybe a different language 01:04:40.610 --> 01:04:42.060 because it's a little confusing. 01:04:42.060 --> 01:04:43.570 If we keep the idea, 01:04:43.570 --> 01:04:45.980 then next at second reading, we could clean it up. 01:04:45.980 --> 01:04:47.843 If we want to shorten the language, 01:04:48.821 --> 01:04:50.350 and make it more clear, if you want to. 01:04:50.350 --> 01:04:52.214 Cause the idea would be- Ms. Hardy. 01:04:52.214 --> 01:04:53.202 (indistinct) should be there. 01:04:53.202 --> 01:04:54.244 [Ms. Bahorich ] I'm sorry, what? 01:04:54.244 --> 01:04:55.603 (indistinct). 01:04:55.603 --> 01:04:57.803 Ms. Hardy, microphone, please. 01:04:59.230 --> 01:05:01.379 Why does the word expenditures 01:05:01.379 --> 01:05:02.212 need to be there even? 01:05:02.212 --> 01:05:04.050 How to balance caloric intake, 01:05:04.050 --> 01:05:07.636 and then physical activity expenditures. 01:05:07.636 --> 01:05:08.469 Oh, so I see- 01:05:08.469 --> 01:05:09.302 Do you see what I'm saying? 01:05:09.302 --> 01:05:10.458 The energy you're exerting. 01:05:10.458 --> 01:05:11.940 Gotcha- Yeah. 01:05:11.940 --> 01:05:14.034 You're taking in energy and you're spending it, 01:05:14.034 --> 01:05:14.867 and you're expending it. 01:05:14.867 --> 01:05:17.120 Gotcha, gotcha, thank you for clarification. 01:05:18.332 --> 01:05:20.249 Okay. 01:05:22.570 --> 01:05:24.379 All right. 01:05:24.379 --> 01:05:25.740 And we get it all squared away. 01:05:25.740 --> 01:05:27.340 Yeah, I'm just, (indistinct)- 01:05:27.340 --> 01:05:28.430 Yeah, I'll just wait. 01:05:28.430 --> 01:05:32.718 I'll be interested to see what public comment has to say. 01:05:32.718 --> 01:05:33.551 Staff. 01:05:33.551 --> 01:05:34.770 So, chair 01:05:34.770 --> 01:05:37.660 staff is recommending just for clarity, 01:05:37.660 --> 01:05:40.085 not to include the word expenditure. 01:05:40.085 --> 01:05:42.220 I think it's understood that in physical activity 01:05:42.220 --> 01:05:43.323 you burn calories. 01:05:45.029 --> 01:05:46.070 Is okay. 01:05:46.070 --> 01:05:47.535 Okay. 01:05:47.535 --> 01:05:48.488 (indistinct) yeah. 01:05:48.488 --> 01:05:49.388 Okay, then what I- 01:05:50.724 --> 01:05:52.520 (indistinct). 01:05:52.520 --> 01:05:55.900 So, I'd amend language 01:05:55.900 --> 01:05:58.355 to strike out expenditures. 01:05:58.355 --> 01:05:59.797 Yeah. 01:05:59.797 --> 01:06:04.467 Second. 01:06:04.467 --> 01:06:05.300 Second. 01:06:05.300 --> 01:06:07.030 Okay, so we have the motion in a second. 01:06:07.030 --> 01:06:10.210 This is the secondary amendment, correct? 01:06:10.210 --> 01:06:12.710 Is there any objection to the secondary amendment? 01:06:13.737 --> 01:06:14.570 To strike out that word. 01:06:14.570 --> 01:06:16.720 To strike out the word expenditures? 01:06:18.090 --> 01:06:19.870 That's unnecessary. 01:06:19.870 --> 01:06:21.113 Any discussion? 01:06:22.050 --> 01:06:23.560 Any objection? 01:06:23.560 --> 01:06:25.860 Hearing none, the secondary amendment is approved 01:06:25.860 --> 01:06:28.602 and we're back to the primary. 01:06:28.602 --> 01:06:30.019 Okay. 01:06:34.040 --> 01:06:35.110 Any further discussion 01:06:35.110 --> 01:06:37.853 on the primary amendment as noted on the screen? 01:06:46.930 --> 01:06:47.780 Good? 01:06:47.780 --> 01:06:48.613 Okay. 01:06:48.613 --> 01:06:50.750 Is there no further discussion? 01:06:50.750 --> 01:06:51.933 Is there any objection? 01:06:54.140 --> 01:06:55.880 Hearing none, the motion carries. 01:06:58.650 --> 01:07:01.660 Next would be continuation 01:07:01.660 --> 01:07:03.770 of what we started in sixth 01:07:03.770 --> 01:07:05.500 and also in seventh and eighth, 01:07:05.500 --> 01:07:10.150 which would be a replacement for 10 D, 01:07:10.150 --> 01:07:13.940 instead of getting into the safety concerns with food, 01:07:13.940 --> 01:07:18.450 we would continue, but this time we're evaluating. 01:07:18.450 --> 01:07:20.590 So, evaluate the differences in preparing 01:07:20.590 --> 01:07:24.210 and serving fresh food versus serving ready-prepared, 01:07:24.210 --> 01:07:25.160 or processed foods. 01:07:26.780 --> 01:07:28.560 Second. 01:07:28.560 --> 01:07:29.540 We have a motion and a second, 01:07:29.540 --> 01:07:31.413 is there any discussion on this item? 01:07:33.556 --> 01:07:35.983 Is there any objections? 01:07:35.983 --> 01:07:37.325 This is an allotment pont? 01:07:37.325 --> 01:07:38.731 This is an allotment- 01:07:38.731 --> 01:07:39.564 (indistinct) that. 01:07:39.564 --> 01:07:40.533 And seventh and eighth. 01:07:40.533 --> 01:07:42.866 Right, okay. 01:07:44.297 --> 01:07:46.853 You got it? 01:07:46.853 --> 01:07:49.373 Is there any other discussion, any objection? 01:07:49.373 --> 01:07:51.717 Seeing none, the motion carries. 01:07:51.717 --> 01:07:54.970 12 A, I'm gonna propose. 01:07:54.970 --> 01:07:57.160 I'm not worried about the beginning part. Ms. Kay. 01:07:57.160 --> 01:08:00.770 You can take out the beginning at 12 A. 01:08:02.070 --> 01:08:02.903 Yeah. 01:08:05.230 --> 01:08:09.260 And whoops, 12 A. 01:08:09.260 --> 01:08:10.840 The only thing I'm wanting to start strike there 01:08:10.840 --> 01:08:11.830 is the word drugs. 01:08:11.830 --> 01:08:12.980 Cause it's duplicative. 01:08:14.544 --> 01:08:15.377 So we mark this part- 01:08:15.377 --> 01:08:16.830 Yeah, just strike all that. 01:08:16.830 --> 01:08:18.760 Even, that's an old thing I think. 01:08:18.760 --> 01:08:20.843 Yeah, second. 01:08:23.540 --> 01:08:24.373 So we got- 01:08:24.373 --> 01:08:25.230 Yeah, just drugs. 01:08:25.230 --> 01:08:27.783 Cause it's duplicative with 19C. 01:08:30.119 --> 01:08:30.952 Second. 01:08:30.952 --> 01:08:32.910 So, a motion to strike drugs. 01:08:32.910 --> 01:08:35.160 We have it seconded, is there any discussion? 01:08:36.010 --> 01:08:36.963 Any objection? 01:08:37.920 --> 01:08:38.923 Motion carries. 01:08:40.620 --> 01:08:44.060 14 B that's getting 01:08:44.060 --> 01:08:47.190 to a consistency as well. 01:08:47.190 --> 01:08:50.470 Instead of influence, it's can influence. 01:08:50.470 --> 01:08:52.110 We had that discussion earlier. 01:08:52.110 --> 01:08:53.839 Second. Second. 01:08:53.839 --> 01:08:55.790 A motion and a second. 01:08:55.790 --> 01:08:56.803 Any discussion? 01:08:58.150 --> 01:08:59.103 Any objection? 01:09:00.490 --> 01:09:01.597 14A, we already- 01:09:01.597 --> 01:09:02.430 Motion carries. 01:09:02.430 --> 01:09:04.076 It's a managing coping thing. 01:09:04.076 --> 01:09:05.749 Oh, that's right, fine. 01:09:05.749 --> 01:09:10.400 14C, I'm suggesting that we insert 01:09:12.040 --> 01:09:16.203 including identifying support, 01:09:17.222 --> 01:09:19.810 avenues of get rid of and include identifying support. 01:09:19.810 --> 01:09:23.090 So, in part of creating a personal action plan, 01:09:23.090 --> 01:09:25.500 when encountering a bullying, cyber bullying. 01:09:25.500 --> 01:09:28.306 It's identifying support areas of support. 01:09:28.306 --> 01:09:29.492 Second. Second. 01:09:29.492 --> 01:09:31.373 A motion and a second, any discussion? 01:09:32.720 --> 01:09:34.290 Can I ask for clarification? 01:09:34.290 --> 01:09:37.413 Is it support, or areas of support? 01:09:37.413 --> 01:09:38.890 I think you've said both. 01:09:38.890 --> 01:09:40.220 I mean I did, 01:09:40.220 --> 01:09:43.010 but isn't it just simpler with less words 01:09:43.010 --> 01:09:44.640 to just say identifying support. 01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:49.420 Is it still clear, or areas of support is better? 01:09:49.420 --> 01:09:50.343 I want it clear- 01:09:50.343 --> 01:09:51.860 I think it's not clear 01:09:51.860 --> 01:09:54.374 because it does lead me to believe, 01:09:54.374 --> 01:09:59.374 I believe it's how students will look for supports 01:09:59.380 --> 01:10:00.530 from- Okay. 01:10:00.530 --> 01:10:02.163 Right, right. Others. 01:10:03.810 --> 01:10:06.513 So, we should say areas of, 01:10:10.470 --> 01:10:13.193 In a personal action plan around bullying? 01:10:14.960 --> 01:10:16.640 So, as part of their action plan, 01:10:16.640 --> 01:10:18.684 you want them to identify areas. 01:10:18.684 --> 01:10:19.890 Right, right. 01:10:19.890 --> 01:10:21.110 I think areas of, it feels (indistinct)- 01:10:21.110 --> 01:10:22.670 Yeah, like don't feel like you're alone 01:10:22.670 --> 01:10:24.820 in bullying, right? Yes. 01:10:24.820 --> 01:10:26.470 Areas of, okay. 01:10:32.244 --> 01:10:33.380 All right, we're clear on that. 01:10:33.380 --> 01:10:37.253 We got our motion and a second, any further discussion? 01:10:38.990 --> 01:10:39.963 Any objection? 01:10:40.860 --> 01:10:41.853 Motion carries. 01:10:45.124 --> 01:10:47.150 I'm gonna skip 14D, 01:10:47.150 --> 01:10:48.393 so just delete all that. 01:11:07.270 --> 01:11:12.013 For 15A, I'm suggesting that we take the idea that's in 15B, 01:11:12.974 --> 01:11:14.270 and it in here, 01:11:14.270 --> 01:11:18.310 because part of preventing the misuse of prescription 01:11:18.310 --> 01:11:19.440 and over the counter drugs, 01:11:19.440 --> 01:11:22.550 is recognizing the negative effects of combining drugs. 01:11:22.550 --> 01:11:25.140 So, all I'm suggesting is we could combine 01:11:25.140 --> 01:11:26.483 those two standards, 01:11:28.140 --> 01:11:30.220 because that's part of this strategies 01:11:30.220 --> 01:11:32.153 for preventing misuse. 01:11:33.030 --> 01:11:35.105 Would that make two SES become one SES, 01:11:35.105 --> 01:11:36.250 is that what that they become? 01:11:36.250 --> 01:11:37.250 Right. 01:11:37.250 --> 01:11:38.841 Which that (indistinct)- 01:11:38.841 --> 01:11:40.484 Just the idea of the strategies 01:11:40.484 --> 01:11:43.773 wouldn't involeve the negetive effect if they're combined. 01:11:44.902 --> 01:11:46.573 You want that right now? 01:11:46.573 --> 01:11:50.010 Well now it's there. 01:11:50.010 --> 01:11:52.152 Do we have a second? 01:11:52.152 --> 01:11:52.985 Second. 01:11:52.985 --> 01:11:53.879 Chair. 01:11:53.879 --> 01:11:55.640 Yes, sir, Mr. Cortez, 01:11:55.640 --> 01:11:57.770 I can't see B, it looks a little too small, 01:11:57.770 --> 01:12:00.870 but by deleting B, are we leaving anything out? 01:12:00.870 --> 01:12:03.763 In that language that that would be part of A? 01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:08.143 Developing strategies? 01:12:08.143 --> 01:12:10.476 (murmuring) 01:12:15.660 --> 01:12:16.493 Okay. 01:12:16.493 --> 01:12:17.360 If we're developing strategies 01:12:17.360 --> 01:12:19.343 instead of investigating, which doesn't seem to- 01:12:19.343 --> 01:12:22.730 Yeah, thank you. 01:12:22.730 --> 01:12:24.730 Any further discussion? 01:12:24.730 --> 01:12:26.410 Stuff y'all are good? 01:12:26.410 --> 01:12:27.320 Okay. 01:12:27.320 --> 01:12:28.263 Any objection? 01:12:29.390 --> 01:12:30.770 Motion carries. 01:12:30.770 --> 01:12:32.157 So, at the end (indistInct). 01:12:33.070 --> 01:12:35.038 Microphone Bahorich . Thank you, cut off. 01:12:35.038 --> 01:12:36.170 It keeps going off. 01:12:36.170 --> 01:12:38.621 We would delete B, as a result. 01:12:38.621 --> 01:12:40.958 We need to take, did we already do that or? 01:12:40.958 --> 01:12:41.791 Okay. 01:12:41.791 --> 01:12:44.294 Yeah, so we have a motion to delete B, do we have a second? 01:12:44.294 --> 01:12:45.127 Second. 01:12:45.127 --> 01:12:46.620 Do we have any discussion? 01:12:46.620 --> 01:12:48.170 Any objection? 01:12:48.170 --> 01:12:50.350 Hearing none, motion carries. 01:12:50.350 --> 01:12:51.878 15E- Yes. 01:12:51.878 --> 01:12:55.040 We have clarified this and in sixth grade, 01:12:55.040 --> 01:12:56.190 and seventh and eighth, 01:12:57.301 --> 01:12:59.020 which is analyze the importance of, instead of alternative. 01:12:59.020 --> 01:13:01.410 And say alternative activities. 01:13:01.410 --> 01:13:06.410 To drug and substance misuse and abuse. 01:13:06.591 --> 01:13:07.822 Second. 01:13:07.822 --> 01:13:11.197 A motion and a second, any further discussion? 01:13:12.990 --> 01:13:13.823 Any objection? 01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:16.660 Motion carries. 01:13:16.660 --> 01:13:18.323 16A. 01:13:21.550 --> 01:13:23.640 Staff, I need to double check this, 01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:26.633 because for some reason I wasn't seeing it on the, 01:13:28.979 --> 01:13:31.274 (sighs) 01:13:31.274 --> 01:13:32.107 the notes (clears throat) 01:13:32.107 --> 01:13:33.330 and maybe I just overlooked it. 01:13:33.330 --> 01:13:37.713 I thought we switched the health one to seventh, eighth. 01:13:40.010 --> 01:13:42.180 We were just going to switch those, 01:13:42.180 --> 01:13:44.043 as recommended by Dr. Taylor. 01:13:49.970 --> 01:13:52.960 So, I know it was a note in your document, 01:13:52.960 --> 01:13:57.960 but I don't believe that we have actually made the motion. 01:13:58.208 --> 01:13:59.480 I don't think that's how we captured it. 01:13:59.480 --> 01:14:01.030 Well, that's probably why I didn't see it 01:14:01.030 --> 01:14:02.420 in the minutes just now and I thought- 01:14:02.420 --> 01:14:03.748 So, I think you're safest then to. 01:14:03.748 --> 01:14:05.030 To go ahead- Yes. 01:14:05.030 --> 01:14:06.150 And propose that. 01:14:06.150 --> 01:14:08.430 So we talked about this last night, Dr. Taylor 01:14:08.430 --> 01:14:11.260 had suggested it's more appropriate in health one 01:14:11.260 --> 01:14:12.870 to talk about families and communities, 01:14:12.870 --> 01:14:15.680 a larger discussion about it. 01:14:15.680 --> 01:14:19.720 And so, she recommended just flipping seventh and eighth, 01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:23.750 and a health one expectation, because they were- 01:14:23.750 --> 01:14:25.833 Oh, yeah. 01:14:26.920 --> 01:14:28.264 One was higher level 01:14:28.264 --> 01:14:30.347 than the other basically. 01:14:35.363 --> 01:14:38.015 You got it guys, you good. 01:14:38.015 --> 01:14:39.507 We got a second? 01:14:39.507 --> 01:14:40.340 Second. 01:14:40.340 --> 01:14:41.813 Any discussion on this one? 01:14:43.720 --> 01:14:44.623 Any objection? 01:14:45.470 --> 01:14:46.810 Motion carries. 01:14:46.810 --> 01:14:48.400 Okay. 01:14:48.400 --> 01:14:53.400 The next was for 19B, what I'm recommending there, 01:14:55.550 --> 01:14:58.110 is just to restate this. 01:14:58.110 --> 01:14:59.400 18 or 19? 18 or 19? 01:14:59.400 --> 01:15:00.420 Oh, sorry. 01:15:00.420 --> 01:15:01.743 Yeah, 19, 19B. 01:15:03.961 --> 01:15:06.222 Okay, (indistinct) something with 18, 01:15:06.222 --> 01:15:08.459 (indistinct). 01:15:08.459 --> 01:15:09.867 In 18? 01:15:09.867 --> 01:15:14.551 Yes ma'am, (indistinct). 01:15:14.551 --> 01:15:15.887 Yeah, I don't. 01:15:15.887 --> 01:15:16.720 (indistinct) thing. 01:15:16.720 --> 01:15:18.300 Oh, that's the social thing. 01:15:18.300 --> 01:15:20.373 No, the staff is taking care of that, correct? 01:15:20.373 --> 01:15:21.595 Yeah. Okay. 01:15:21.595 --> 01:15:26.086 Okay. Thank you. 01:15:26.086 --> 01:15:31.086 19B, I am proposing that 01:15:31.280 --> 01:15:32.770 instead of analyze the relationship 01:15:32.770 --> 01:15:34.840 between alcohol, tobacco, 01:15:34.840 --> 01:15:37.690 and other drugs and other substances used by adolescents 01:15:37.690 --> 01:15:40.620 and the role these play in unsafe situations. 01:15:40.620 --> 01:15:45.620 I'm suggesting that we narrow that down, to, 01:15:46.470 --> 01:15:49.480 instead of including tobacco in this. 01:15:49.480 --> 01:15:51.490 Analyze the role that alcohol 01:15:51.490 --> 01:15:54.300 and other drugs play in unsafe situations, comma, 01:15:54.300 --> 01:15:56.543 including sexual abuse and assault. 01:15:57.430 --> 01:15:59.620 And can I speak to my motion? 01:15:59.620 --> 01:16:01.585 We need a second. 01:16:01.585 --> 01:16:02.418 Second. 01:16:02.418 --> 01:16:03.251 Yes, go ahead Ms. Bahorich . 01:16:03.251 --> 01:16:07.880 So, the surveys that ... 01:16:07.880 --> 01:16:11.220 The one I've got here with me is campus safety. 01:16:11.220 --> 01:16:14.830 50% of students, sexual assaults involve alcohol, 01:16:14.830 --> 01:16:17.870 approximately 90% of rapes perpetrated 01:16:17.870 --> 01:16:21.330 by an acquaintance of the victim involve alcohol. 01:16:21.330 --> 01:16:24.480 It's such a high rate specifically regarding alcohol, 01:16:24.480 --> 01:16:27.070 that I'm trying to narrow this discussion 01:16:27.070 --> 01:16:29.610 to something that's the most relevant, 01:16:29.610 --> 01:16:31.070 for them to really look at. 01:16:31.070 --> 01:16:34.260 Because I think many documentaries 01:16:34.260 --> 01:16:35.640 I've seen on this is that, 01:16:35.640 --> 01:16:38.340 many people are surprised when they get to college, 01:16:38.340 --> 01:16:40.310 and end up in bad situations, 01:16:40.310 --> 01:16:42.120 and bad things happen to them, 01:16:42.120 --> 01:16:45.682 about how pervasive they are, 01:16:45.682 --> 01:16:49.513 or how the alcohol really affects this situation, safety. 01:16:53.460 --> 01:16:55.617 So there're a lot of unsafe situations, 01:16:55.617 --> 01:16:58.743 but it needs to definitely include sexual abuse and assault. 01:17:01.375 --> 01:17:04.280 Any discussion on this item? 01:17:04.280 --> 01:17:06.000 Any objection? 01:17:06.000 --> 01:17:07.650 Hearing none, the motion carries. 01:17:08.970 --> 01:17:10.942 19C, 01:17:10.942 --> 01:17:14.390 I'm proposing we strike it. 01:17:14.390 --> 01:17:17.050 We talked about this the other night that, 01:17:17.050 --> 01:17:18.800 we are talking about minimizing, 01:17:18.800 --> 01:17:23.800 not, avoiding the use of alcohol, in health one here. 01:17:23.902 --> 01:17:27.183 Second. 01:17:27.183 --> 01:17:29.070 Any discussion? 01:17:29.070 --> 01:17:30.063 Any objection? 01:17:31.330 --> 01:17:33.700 Hearing none, the motion passes. 01:17:33.700 --> 01:17:38.260 19D is in alignment, or sorry, 01:17:38.260 --> 01:17:41.200 is just more of a clarification here. 01:17:41.200 --> 01:17:43.823 Develop strategies for preventing the use, 01:17:45.230 --> 01:17:46.750 instead of or misuse. 01:17:46.750 --> 01:17:51.380 It would just say the use of alcohol, et cetera. 01:17:51.380 --> 01:17:53.930 So, we just preventing the use here. 01:17:53.930 --> 01:17:56.220 So, chair- 01:17:56.220 --> 01:17:57.720 Yes. 01:17:57.720 --> 01:17:59.760 Striking misuse poses 01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:04.820 a little bit of concern, because, (clears throat) 01:18:04.820 --> 01:18:09.480 I think that's an imp to simply focus on preventing the use, 01:18:09.480 --> 01:18:13.540 I think we also have to focus students on preventing misuse- 01:18:13.540 --> 01:18:14.373 Okay. 01:18:14.373 --> 01:18:16.100 Especially for other drugs. 01:18:16.100 --> 01:18:17.760 Cause that could include prescription drugs 01:18:17.760 --> 01:18:18.810 that are being misused. 01:18:18.810 --> 01:18:21.020 Yeah, that's true. 01:18:21.020 --> 01:18:23.001 Thank you, Ms. Shelley. 01:18:23.001 --> 01:18:23.834 So, what- 01:18:23.834 --> 01:18:26.273 So not strike or misuse. 01:18:27.963 --> 01:18:29.247 So there's no amendment there? 01:18:29.247 --> 01:18:32.170 But I thought yous wasn't there. 01:18:32.170 --> 01:18:33.636 No, use isn't there. 01:18:33.636 --> 01:18:35.290 Oh, got it. 01:18:35.290 --> 01:18:36.753 So no amendment? 01:18:37.820 --> 01:18:39.623 No, amendment skip. 01:18:40.890 --> 01:18:41.723 Okay. 01:18:42.650 --> 01:18:46.403 Moving on, to, Oh, 20E. 01:18:51.260 --> 01:18:53.620 This is just to kind of make the sentence, 01:18:53.620 --> 01:18:55.120 or at least I didn't understand it. 01:18:55.120 --> 01:18:59.760 Analyze behaviors, and romantic relationships, 20E, 01:18:59.760 --> 01:19:03.920 that enhance dignity and I'm suggesting and respect, 01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:07.110 and showing responsibility. 01:19:07.110 --> 01:19:12.110 I didn't know how to enhance responsibility in behaviors. 01:19:13.410 --> 01:19:16.340 Are we encouraging people to be responsible? 01:19:16.340 --> 01:19:19.290 I thought it made more sense to say showing responsibility. 01:19:22.700 --> 01:19:23.770 You agree? 01:19:23.770 --> 01:19:26.010 That, I mean, it didn't make sense to me. 01:19:26.010 --> 01:19:29.720 Dignity, respect, responsibility. 01:19:29.720 --> 01:19:31.030 It seems like we want people ... 01:19:31.030 --> 01:19:33.710 I couldn't figure out what the context 01:19:33.710 --> 01:19:34.860 of that discussion was. 01:19:38.140 --> 01:19:39.300 Ms. Ramos. 01:19:39.300 --> 01:19:41.930 I'm just trying to parse out the part, 01:19:41.930 --> 01:19:43.620 two of breakout in my head for the students. 01:19:43.620 --> 01:19:45.110 Absolutely, absolutely. 01:19:45.110 --> 01:19:46.420 To make sure that it's right. 01:19:46.420 --> 01:19:49.873 So analyze behaviors in romantic relationship. 01:19:53.060 --> 01:19:54.143 That- 01:19:56.073 --> 01:19:57.078 And dignity, 01:19:57.078 --> 01:19:59.360 enhances respect and responsibility. 01:19:59.360 --> 01:20:01.250 So we don't need showing right? 01:20:01.250 --> 01:20:02.120 Right. 01:20:02.120 --> 01:20:03.545 Yeah, Davis. 01:20:03.545 --> 01:20:05.406 Okay, responsibility in what way? 01:20:05.406 --> 01:20:06.660 Enhances responsibility. 01:20:06.660 --> 01:20:08.560 Enhances responsibility. 01:20:09.997 --> 01:20:13.020 Enhanced responsility toward, 01:20:13.020 --> 01:20:15.190 I mean, enhance responsibility, 01:20:15.190 --> 01:20:17.190 like showing up on time for a date. 01:20:17.190 --> 01:20:18.810 I mean, I'm not- 01:20:18.810 --> 01:20:21.053 Well, they just pick out responsibility. 01:20:22.636 --> 01:20:25.380 You don't ... Yeah, cause I don't think 01:20:25.380 --> 01:20:27.730 that showing responsibility clarifies that. 01:20:27.730 --> 01:20:29.619 So you might just want 01:20:29.619 --> 01:20:30.452 to take out responsibility, 01:20:30.452 --> 01:20:33.970 and just say analyze behaviors in romantic relationships 01:20:33.970 --> 01:20:36.667 that enhance dignity and respect. 01:20:36.667 --> 01:20:39.158 Yeah, may be that's what making sense. 01:20:39.158 --> 01:20:39.991 Yeah. 01:20:39.991 --> 01:20:40.824 They do, yeah. 01:20:40.824 --> 01:20:42.200 (indistinct). 01:20:42.200 --> 01:20:43.350 So moved. 01:20:44.547 --> 01:20:45.900 In the discussion, would you (indistinct)- 01:20:45.900 --> 01:20:48.056 So moved, is that what we're doing? 01:20:48.056 --> 01:20:48.889 Yes. 01:20:48.889 --> 01:20:51.603 You can't vote. (laughing) 01:20:52.941 --> 01:20:55.036 What, what? 01:20:55.036 --> 01:20:56.700 Ms. Shelly said (indistinct). (laughing) 01:20:56.700 --> 01:20:58.200 Shelly said yes. 01:20:58.200 --> 01:20:59.799 Is there a second to Shelly's motion? 01:20:59.799 --> 01:21:02.830 (indistinct). (laughing) 01:21:02.830 --> 01:21:03.663 All right. 01:21:03.663 --> 01:21:05.640 Well actually you just made the motion. 01:21:05.640 --> 01:21:06.473 Oh! 01:21:06.473 --> 01:21:07.477 Is there a second? 01:21:07.477 --> 01:21:08.310 Second. Second. 01:21:08.310 --> 01:21:09.143 Thank you very much. 01:21:09.143 --> 01:21:10.611 Okay, so everybody understands. 01:21:10.611 --> 01:21:13.823 So, we're now deleting sharing responsibility. 01:21:15.197 --> 01:21:19.677 (indistinct) delete that, and, oh yeah. 01:21:19.677 --> 01:21:21.147 All right, okay. 01:21:21.147 --> 01:21:22.440 Yeah. 01:21:22.440 --> 01:21:24.490 Yeah. Yes. 01:21:24.490 --> 01:21:26.730 So it will now read analyze behaviors 01:21:26.730 --> 01:21:27.920 in romantic relationships 01:21:27.920 --> 01:21:30.783 that enhance dignity and respect, 01:21:32.060 --> 01:21:35.293 and we're deleting and responsibility. 01:21:36.790 --> 01:21:39.330 Any discussion? 01:21:39.330 --> 01:21:41.070 Any objection? 01:21:41.070 --> 01:21:43.150 Hearing none, the motion passes. 01:21:43.150 --> 01:21:44.859 Ms. Bahorich, 01:21:44.859 --> 01:21:46.980 did you intend to skip 20 D? 01:21:46.980 --> 01:21:48.240 Yeah, yes I did. 01:21:48.240 --> 01:21:50.179 Okay. 01:21:50.179 --> 01:21:52.029 I think they deleted that but, 01:21:52.029 --> 01:21:53.455 I'm not gonna (indistinct). 01:21:53.455 --> 01:21:57.174 For that, thank you. 01:21:57.174 --> 01:21:59.510 Okay- Good. I'm sorry. 01:21:59.510 --> 01:22:00.694 I'm sorry. 01:22:00.694 --> 01:22:01.527 That was a secondary amendment 01:22:01.527 --> 01:22:03.739 that you just adopted- <v Dr. Ellis>What was? 01:22:03.739 --> 01:22:06.025 To strike out and showing responsibility. 01:22:06.025 --> 01:22:08.763 So you probably need to adopt it. 01:22:10.362 --> 01:22:12.347 How (indistinct) in here. No. 01:22:12.347 --> 01:22:13.967 I don't think- 01:22:13.967 --> 01:22:14.800 What? I make sure 01:22:14.800 --> 01:22:15.633 it's true. 01:22:15.633 --> 01:22:16.466 Okay, sure- Oh, yeah, yeah, 01:22:16.466 --> 01:22:17.299 it's true. 01:22:17.299 --> 01:22:18.970 Actually I don't think it was ever made, 01:22:18.970 --> 01:22:20.771 but anyway, no I think it's okay. 01:22:20.771 --> 01:22:21.604 Yeah. 01:22:22.530 --> 01:22:24.550 Okay. Ms. Bahorich continue. 01:22:24.550 --> 01:22:25.725 No, (indistinct). 01:22:25.725 --> 01:22:26.940 I have an eye (indistinct) 20. 01:22:26.940 --> 01:22:28.610 Oh, okay, Mr. Cortez. 01:22:28.610 --> 01:22:29.690 Yeah. 01:22:29.690 --> 01:22:34.060 I'd like to offer up an what's the last one on 20F, 01:22:34.060 --> 01:22:39.060 I'd like to offer up a new, that we insert 20G. 01:22:41.610 --> 01:22:44.750 And it's similar to what I tried to propose yesterday, 01:22:44.750 --> 01:22:46.090 in seventh and eighth grade. 01:22:46.090 --> 01:22:48.320 And I guess the majority of the board 01:22:48.320 --> 01:22:51.473 maybe thought it was too young of an age to introduce, 01:22:52.986 --> 01:22:56.060 but I'll state the motion and then speak to it. 01:22:56.060 --> 01:23:01.060 I'd like to insert a new 20G, that reads, 01:23:01.517 --> 01:23:05.340 "Differentiate between sex assigned at birth, 01:23:05.340 --> 01:23:08.530 sexual orientation, gender identity, 01:23:08.530 --> 01:23:10.620 and gender expression." 01:23:10.620 --> 01:23:11.683 Second. 01:23:13.270 --> 01:23:15.247 I'm sorry can you say that again? 01:23:15.247 --> 01:23:16.080 I would (indistinct). 01:23:16.080 --> 01:23:17.746 Yes. 01:23:17.746 --> 01:23:18.579 assigned at birth gender. 01:23:18.579 --> 01:23:21.913 Differentiate between sex assigned at birth- 01:23:21.913 --> 01:23:22.746 Hmm. 01:23:22.746 --> 01:23:27.250 Sexual orientation, gender identity, 01:23:29.240 --> 01:23:30.633 and gender expression. 01:23:35.180 --> 01:23:36.013 Okay, chairman. 01:23:36.013 --> 01:23:37.490 And if I can speak to that- 01:23:37.490 --> 01:23:38.323 Well, hang on, we have a staff. 01:23:38.323 --> 01:23:39.950 May I make one suggestion? 01:23:39.950 --> 01:23:41.170 Yes. Among, 01:23:41.170 --> 01:23:42.417 since it's more than two things. 01:23:42.417 --> 01:23:44.167 And up between among. 01:23:45.190 --> 01:23:46.023 Yeah, okay. 01:23:46.023 --> 01:23:47.529 Differentiate among, yes. 01:23:47.529 --> 01:23:48.362 Okay. 01:23:48.362 --> 01:23:49.195 Thank you, Monica. 01:23:49.195 --> 01:23:50.090 Continue Mr. Cortez. 01:23:50.090 --> 01:23:55.090 So, I talked about yesterday about how, 01:23:55.730 --> 01:24:00.703 it was a World Suicide Day, (phone beeps) 01:24:03.240 --> 01:24:07.380 and now we've had over 800,000 suicides a year, 01:24:07.380 --> 01:24:08.923 almost every 40 seconds. 01:24:10.352 --> 01:24:13.730 And those began around the age from 15 to 29, 01:24:13.730 --> 01:24:15.660 according to the World Health Organization. 01:24:15.660 --> 01:24:20.660 The CDC on its website posts, gay, bisexual, 01:24:21.100 --> 01:24:23.803 and other men, who have sex with other men, 01:24:24.891 --> 01:24:27.260 are at even greater risk for suicide attempts. 01:24:27.260 --> 01:24:30.170 Especially before the age of 25, 01:24:30.170 --> 01:24:35.170 a study of youth in grades seventh through 12th, 01:24:35.210 --> 01:24:38.690 found that lesbian, gay, and bisexual youth, (phone beeps) 01:24:38.690 --> 01:24:42.380 were more than twice as likely to have attempted suicide, 01:24:42.380 --> 01:24:44.960 as their heterosexual peers. 01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:48.000 Some risk factors are linked to being gay 01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:51.570 and attributed to hostile environments. 01:24:51.570 --> 01:24:55.020 And the effect on a student's mental health. 01:24:55.020 --> 01:24:59.380 At this age, I think we can clearly agree 01:24:59.380 --> 01:25:03.950 that a child, or a student, or young person, 01:25:03.950 --> 01:25:07.990 would know, (phone beeps) 01:25:07.990 --> 01:25:12.990 several campuses within our high schools now have clubs, 01:25:14.310 --> 01:25:17.400 that are called Alliance clubs, 01:25:17.400 --> 01:25:20.140 that help students that identify, 01:25:20.140 --> 01:25:23.460 as LGBTQ, in our current high schools. 01:25:23.460 --> 01:25:28.057 And so, I think it's important that we set standards, 01:25:28.057 --> 01:25:31.330 that are age appropriate, fact-based, 01:25:31.330 --> 01:25:35.130 and that answer their questions about sex relationships 01:25:35.130 --> 01:25:39.990 without shame or judgment for our LGBTQ students. 01:25:39.990 --> 01:25:42.410 And again, as I stated yesterday, 01:25:42.410 --> 01:25:45.250 and maybe you thought they were too young then, 01:25:45.250 --> 01:25:46.670 just like everyone else, 01:25:46.670 --> 01:25:49.110 they deserve to learn in a setting, 01:25:49.110 --> 01:25:53.210 that in settings that are inclusive of their experiences, 01:25:53.210 --> 01:25:55.220 and provide accurate information, 01:25:55.220 --> 01:25:57.923 that is relevant to their lives. 01:25:58.940 --> 01:26:01.630 We heard plenty of testimony from people 01:26:02.950 --> 01:26:05.803 that they just felt lost, 01:26:07.150 --> 01:26:09.080 and talked about stories, 01:26:09.080 --> 01:26:11.260 where they knew people who had taken their lives. 01:26:11.260 --> 01:26:14.990 And so, if we're in a position to change the standard, 01:26:14.990 --> 01:26:17.890 I think this is a appropriate time to do it. 01:26:17.890 --> 01:26:19.890 I know you all didn't agree with seventh and eighth grade, 01:26:19.890 --> 01:26:22.160 but I don't see a reason why you wouldn't agree 01:26:22.160 --> 01:26:23.540 with it in high school. 01:26:23.540 --> 01:26:27.440 And so, I would urge you to support this, 01:26:27.440 --> 01:26:29.710 I think teaching about sexual orientation 01:26:29.710 --> 01:26:31.300 and gender identity and expression 01:26:31.300 --> 01:26:33.270 promotes respect for others. 01:26:33.270 --> 01:26:37.310 It helps all students learn more about their friends, 01:26:37.310 --> 01:26:39.560 and others who might be different from them, 01:26:39.560 --> 01:26:44.560 and helps reduce bullying, discrimination, and harassment. 01:26:46.258 --> 01:26:47.490 Okay, Mr. Maynard. 01:26:47.490 --> 01:26:50.554 Yeah, and with all due respect 01:26:50.554 --> 01:26:53.963 to my colleague, Mr. Cortez, 01:26:54.870 --> 01:26:58.860 and at least for me was really wasn't 01:26:58.860 --> 01:27:01.363 a matter of whether or not it's age appropriate, 01:27:02.240 --> 01:27:06.870 is that, in my opinion, is that it's really a matter of, 01:27:06.870 --> 01:27:09.290 differentiating between human sexuality, 01:27:09.290 --> 01:27:11.560 versus reproductive health. 01:27:11.560 --> 01:27:16.560 And that's really the delineation that I'm trying to make, 01:27:16.840 --> 01:27:19.200 because by statute, 01:27:19.200 --> 01:27:21.680 human sexuality become is the domain 01:27:21.680 --> 01:27:23.197 of the local school board, 01:27:23.197 --> 01:27:28.197 working alongside the School Health Advisory Council. 01:27:29.350 --> 01:27:30.390 Is that just because 01:27:30.390 --> 01:27:33.180 we don't adopt this in the state standards, 01:27:33.180 --> 01:27:36.497 I'll take and mandate that the local school districts, 01:27:36.497 --> 01:27:38.900 you can teach this as part of their offering. 01:27:38.900 --> 01:27:41.639 That doesn't mean that they can't teach it, 01:27:41.639 --> 01:27:43.660 because they can, because they already are. 01:27:43.660 --> 01:27:46.200 And what we're trying to do is that, 01:27:46.200 --> 01:27:48.771 we're trying to operate in such a way, 01:27:48.771 --> 01:27:51.840 and maintaining our focus on reproductive health 01:27:51.840 --> 01:27:53.540 as part of health education, 01:27:53.540 --> 01:27:56.370 and staying out of the domain of human sexuality. 01:27:56.370 --> 01:27:59.040 And I understand this is that 01:27:59.040 --> 01:28:01.230 there gets to be some gray area there, 01:28:01.230 --> 01:28:02.450 but what we're really try to do is, 01:28:02.450 --> 01:28:04.350 we're trying to make sure 01:28:04.350 --> 01:28:06.792 that we can hold on to this strand. 01:28:06.792 --> 01:28:09.300 And so, with all due respect, 01:28:09.300 --> 01:28:12.900 I'm gonna vote against the amendment. 01:28:12.900 --> 01:28:14.920 Ms. Perez-Diaz. 01:28:14.920 --> 01:28:16.333 Thank you, sir. 01:28:16.333 --> 01:28:17.530 So I stand in favor of this motion. 01:28:17.530 --> 01:28:18.480 I think it's really, really, 01:28:18.480 --> 01:28:22.360 again, really important that our youth not feel invisible, 01:28:22.360 --> 01:28:27.360 and their identity, regardless of our own positions. 01:28:29.620 --> 01:28:33.430 Like I said yesterday, every single one of us, 01:28:33.430 --> 01:28:37.230 I wouldn't be willing to guess, 01:28:37.230 --> 01:28:39.390 I would be willing to bet, 01:28:39.390 --> 01:28:41.130 that every single one of us represents 01:28:41.130 --> 01:28:45.760 at least one LGBTQIA youth. 01:28:45.760 --> 01:28:48.098 And to Mr. Maynard's point, 01:28:48.098 --> 01:28:50.720 he talks about how there's opportunity 01:28:50.720 --> 01:28:53.160 to have afterschool programming 01:28:53.160 --> 01:28:56.570 that can help support youth and specifically in this area. 01:28:56.570 --> 01:28:59.810 But the one thing I might ask is, 01:28:59.810 --> 01:29:03.240 we have areas in this state, 01:29:03.240 --> 01:29:05.350 that we'll just call it what it is, 01:29:05.350 --> 01:29:10.350 are very discriminatory toward LGBTQIA community. 01:29:10.800 --> 01:29:13.200 And so, if it's not the will of the community 01:29:13.200 --> 01:29:17.020 to support an afterschool program like that, in these youth, 01:29:17.020 --> 01:29:19.930 who identify as will still not have an avenue 01:29:19.930 --> 01:29:22.360 for support, or speaking about this. 01:29:22.360 --> 01:29:24.640 So if we include this language in the standards, 01:29:24.640 --> 01:29:28.560 this would help to provide it in a way 01:29:28.560 --> 01:29:30.700 that we know we're not missing these youth, 01:29:30.700 --> 01:29:32.700 would they'll still feel felt, 01:29:32.700 --> 01:29:35.120 they'll still feel seen, they'll still feel heard. 01:29:35.120 --> 01:29:38.550 And so, I don't think an afterschool program is enough, 01:29:38.550 --> 01:29:43.550 or even a solid opportunity for our youth across the state. 01:29:45.178 --> 01:29:46.800 Great, Mr. Allen. 01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:50.403 I wanna speak in approval of this standard, 01:29:51.240 --> 01:29:53.207 because I know when I look at all standards, I say, 01:29:53.207 --> 01:29:55.380 "How would that have affected me?" 01:29:55.380 --> 01:29:58.280 And I know the life that I've lived for the last 58 years, 01:29:58.280 --> 01:30:01.840 and I needed some additional education early on in my life, 01:30:01.840 --> 01:30:04.401 that would have prevented me from having 01:30:04.401 --> 01:30:06.060 some poor thoughts and ideas. 01:30:06.060 --> 01:30:11.060 Without this, we continue to have conversations 01:30:11.450 --> 01:30:14.360 in isolation versus in public that will help all of us. 01:30:14.360 --> 01:30:16.460 And so, I'm not looking just 01:30:16.460 --> 01:30:18.780 at the factors that will raise them, 01:30:18.780 --> 01:30:20.950 but I'm looking at every student being able 01:30:20.950 --> 01:30:23.120 to identify and work with their peers 01:30:23.120 --> 01:30:24.110 in a positive manner, 01:30:24.110 --> 01:30:27.623 because of a opportunity to interact with this standard. 01:30:28.830 --> 01:30:30.013 Ms. Hardy. 01:30:31.060 --> 01:30:33.540 I think one of the smartest things 01:30:33.540 --> 01:30:36.430 that the legislature ever did, 01:30:36.430 --> 01:30:41.080 was to include SHAC in statute. 01:30:41.080 --> 01:30:43.040 And the reason is that, 01:30:43.040 --> 01:30:46.570 anytime it gets to be a very controversial issue like this, 01:30:46.570 --> 01:30:50.110 then it falls, it's incumbent upon that community 01:30:50.110 --> 01:30:51.980 to decide what they want. 01:30:51.980 --> 01:30:54.030 If we put it in our standards, 01:30:54.030 --> 01:30:58.140 then it would be a part of the legal TEKS. 01:30:58.140 --> 01:31:01.300 But if we leave it up to the SHAC committee, 01:31:01.300 --> 01:31:06.010 then every community can make that decision. 01:31:06.010 --> 01:31:07.740 And I would like to see this left out 01:31:07.740 --> 01:31:09.563 to be in a community decision. 01:31:10.557 --> 01:31:13.107 Okay, Ms. Davis, and then Ms. Little. 01:31:14.820 --> 01:31:17.350 I just wanna admit my own ignorance, 01:31:17.350 --> 01:31:18.570 on this topic. 01:31:18.570 --> 01:31:21.280 I didn't know all of the differences myself, 01:31:21.280 --> 01:31:24.660 and a good friend of mine brought me 01:31:24.660 --> 01:31:26.520 this thing called the gender bread man, 01:31:26.520 --> 01:31:28.890 and broke down all of these different qualities. 01:31:28.890 --> 01:31:32.273 And I didn't realize how ignorant I was until, 01:31:33.180 --> 01:31:34.630 it was broken down to me. 01:31:34.630 --> 01:31:37.180 And there a lot of people who don't understand this, 01:31:37.180 --> 01:31:39.430 and I understand about the SHAC. 01:31:39.430 --> 01:31:43.500 But this is just giving kids a basic understanding, 01:31:43.500 --> 01:31:46.180 of different ways that people identify themselves, 01:31:46.180 --> 01:31:48.981 different things that students go through. 01:31:48.981 --> 01:31:49.814 And there probably are some students 01:31:49.814 --> 01:31:50.780 who are going through this, 01:31:50.780 --> 01:31:52.890 and fill in ways and they won't say anything. 01:31:52.890 --> 01:31:56.100 So, it may appear like it's a small percentage of kids, 01:31:56.100 --> 01:31:58.540 but it's probably way more than what we know, 01:31:58.540 --> 01:31:59.980 because they have those feelings. 01:31:59.980 --> 01:32:01.990 And they're confused about what's going on. 01:32:01.990 --> 01:32:04.883 And we've heard so many people testify to that. 01:32:04.883 --> 01:32:08.200 So, I strongly hope that we do keep this, 01:32:08.200 --> 01:32:11.720 so that we can continue to protect the students of Texas. 01:32:11.720 --> 01:32:14.070 Ms. Little, and then Ms. Bahorich. 01:32:15.023 --> 01:32:16.010 I would agree 01:32:16.010 --> 01:32:18.730 with members Maynard and members Hardy, 01:32:18.730 --> 01:32:21.590 that this is a very sensitive subject, 01:32:21.590 --> 01:32:23.400 needs to be left up to the SHAC. 01:32:23.400 --> 01:32:25.400 And another concern I have is, 01:32:25.400 --> 01:32:27.940 I think a school district needs to make sure, 01:32:27.940 --> 01:32:31.700 that they have the professional health educators, 01:32:31.700 --> 01:32:32.900 to teach this subject. 01:32:32.900 --> 01:32:35.300 And I think that's when we need to leave it up to them. 01:32:35.300 --> 01:32:36.950 Okay, Ms. Bahorich. 01:32:37.990 --> 01:32:40.510 Members, as I discussed it yesterday, 01:32:40.510 --> 01:32:41.750 when we discussed this, 01:32:41.750 --> 01:32:46.130 my intent is to add a standard 14F 01:32:46.130 --> 01:32:49.053 that would align with what we have in sixth grade. 01:32:50.530 --> 01:32:52.642 But it would be scaffolded in it. 01:32:52.642 --> 01:32:54.190 So, in seventh and eighth, 01:32:54.190 --> 01:32:57.520 I'm planning on adding the same type of thing 01:32:57.520 --> 01:32:59.847 for health one, that would say, 01:32:59.847 --> 01:33:01.973 "Instead of analyzed strategies 01:33:01.973 --> 01:33:04.250 for prevention and intervention 01:33:04.250 --> 01:33:06.440 of all forms of bullying, or cyber bullying, 01:33:06.440 --> 01:33:09.113 such as emotional, physical, social, and sexual, 01:33:10.000 --> 01:33:11.400 it would be promote strategy." 01:33:11.400 --> 01:33:12.233 So again, 01:33:12.233 --> 01:33:15.163 would be scaffolded from sixth grade up through health one, 01:33:16.020 --> 01:33:18.060 with the idea that, 01:33:18.060 --> 01:33:21.498 whether it's emotional, physical, social, 01:33:21.498 --> 01:33:23.383 or sexual bullying, or cyber bullying, 01:33:24.624 --> 01:33:29.624 this would have the students work on strategies 01:33:30.070 --> 01:33:31.933 for prevention and intervention. 01:33:33.210 --> 01:33:34.571 Okay, you said for 14? 01:33:34.571 --> 01:33:36.220 And haven't we already passed that? 01:33:36.220 --> 01:33:37.422 We did not, 01:33:37.422 --> 01:33:38.890 cause I did not offer it last night, but, (indistinct)- 01:33:38.890 --> 01:33:40.338 No, I mean, Oh, okay. 01:33:40.338 --> 01:33:41.791 Yeah. 01:33:41.791 --> 01:33:43.263 And the chronology 01:33:43.263 --> 01:33:44.096 you'll need to bring that back up. 01:33:44.096 --> 01:33:44.929 Right. 01:33:44.929 --> 01:33:46.712 Because we're already have gone by 14. 01:33:46.712 --> 01:33:49.160 Anyone else who hasn't spoken for the first time, 01:33:49.160 --> 01:33:51.393 before I'd call on Ms. Perez-Diaz. 01:33:52.790 --> 01:33:54.700 Okay, Ms. Perez-Diaz. 01:33:54.700 --> 01:33:55.857 Thank you. 01:33:56.990 --> 01:34:01.060 I think to member Bahorich, I appreciate your attempt, 01:34:01.060 --> 01:34:03.704 but I don't think that at the high school level, 01:34:03.704 --> 01:34:04.537 we can afford to be cryptic about 01:34:04.537 --> 01:34:08.434 what we're trying to message to our youth. 01:34:08.434 --> 01:34:13.434 To member Little at the SHAC, 01:34:14.340 --> 01:34:16.227 and to member Hardy as well. 01:34:16.227 --> 01:34:17.700 The SHAC is a great tool. 01:34:17.700 --> 01:34:21.310 But again, I ask for those more ... 01:34:21.310 --> 01:34:22.910 I think that for those communities 01:34:22.910 --> 01:34:25.700 who are not as open or willing, 01:34:25.700 --> 01:34:27.080 to have these conversations, 01:34:27.080 --> 01:34:30.950 what happens to the one parent that serves in SHAC, 01:34:30.950 --> 01:34:31.970 that's outnumbered, 01:34:31.970 --> 01:34:33.720 but as they're advocating for their youth, 01:34:33.720 --> 01:34:36.340 they still get voted out. 01:34:36.340 --> 01:34:39.340 What happens to the one child represented on the SHAC, 01:34:39.340 --> 01:34:42.140 that's advocating on behalf of themselves, 01:34:42.140 --> 01:34:45.330 but they're in the minority and they still get voted out. 01:34:45.330 --> 01:34:47.040 Then there still is no opportunity 01:34:47.040 --> 01:34:48.680 for this child to have an outlet. 01:34:48.680 --> 01:34:52.070 And I think at the very end of the day, what this is, 01:34:52.070 --> 01:34:54.760 and I'm gonna call it what it is, right. 01:34:54.760 --> 01:34:59.130 There are a lot of people who are very uncomfortable, 01:34:59.130 --> 01:35:00.430 so it's not sensitive. 01:35:00.430 --> 01:35:03.220 Well, I guess maybe a sensitivity, fragility, 01:35:03.220 --> 01:35:05.330 but there are a lot of people that are uncomfortable 01:35:05.330 --> 01:35:07.560 about talking about something that exists. 01:35:07.560 --> 01:35:09.810 This is a terrible analogy, 01:35:09.810 --> 01:35:13.140 but this is the first thing that comes to mind, right? 01:35:13.140 --> 01:35:16.120 People don't want to talk about young girls having periods, 01:35:16.120 --> 01:35:18.453 but it happens, it exists. 01:35:19.635 --> 01:35:21.080 And we have to talk about it in our standards 01:35:21.080 --> 01:35:23.460 because they have to be prepared for that. 01:35:23.460 --> 01:35:26.960 Identity exists, regardless of whether or not, 01:35:26.960 --> 01:35:30.770 a single person recognizes it or wants to appreciate it, 01:35:30.770 --> 01:35:32.550 identity exists. 01:35:32.550 --> 01:35:34.240 We need to talk about it regardless 01:35:34.240 --> 01:35:37.063 of one's sensitivity or discomfort. 01:35:37.980 --> 01:35:40.468 So again, I stand in favor of this motion, 01:35:40.468 --> 01:35:42.640 and I really asked my colleagues around the table 01:35:42.640 --> 01:35:45.130 to think about the youth that we serve, 01:35:45.130 --> 01:35:50.130 not just your heteronormative population of students, 01:35:53.170 --> 01:35:56.740 because we have we're here to serve every single child, 01:35:56.740 --> 01:35:58.810 and every single child in this state deserves 01:35:58.810 --> 01:36:01.160 to be reflected in the curriculum. 01:36:01.160 --> 01:36:03.370 Okay, Ms. Perez then Mr. Cortez, 01:36:03.370 --> 01:36:04.320 and then Mr. Allen. 01:36:06.134 --> 01:36:09.660 Member Davis, when I mess up these words, 01:36:09.660 --> 01:36:11.403 just jump in and correct me, okay. 01:36:12.310 --> 01:36:15.100 I want to remind everyone that, 01:36:15.100 --> 01:36:20.100 while this sounds like it may only be in gay conversation. 01:36:21.030 --> 01:36:25.480 And I realize how that makes some of us uncomfortable. 01:36:25.480 --> 01:36:27.830 I do want to remind everyone that, in nature, 01:36:27.830 --> 01:36:29.503 there are children that are born. 01:36:31.070 --> 01:36:34.320 I believe the correct term is intersex, right? 01:36:34.320 --> 01:36:36.993 And we used to call them, what's the old? 01:36:37.869 --> 01:36:38.847 An hermaphrodites? Yeah. 01:36:38.847 --> 01:36:42.690 We also call them middles-sex children. 01:36:42.690 --> 01:36:45.240 And this is something that occurs in nature. 01:36:45.240 --> 01:36:47.402 And while people might say, 01:36:47.402 --> 01:36:48.870 "Well, it's only 1% or it's only 4%." 01:36:48.870 --> 01:36:51.250 Well, when we're talking about children, 01:36:51.250 --> 01:36:53.530 even one child feeling uncomfortable, 01:36:53.530 --> 01:36:56.770 or unrecognized, or unwelcome as one too many. 01:36:56.770 --> 01:36:58.810 And so, if we're not going to agree 01:36:58.810 --> 01:37:00.560 on some kind of language, 01:37:00.560 --> 01:37:03.600 please understand that what we're doing then, 01:37:03.600 --> 01:37:06.450 is telling some children, 01:37:06.450 --> 01:37:09.380 because of the way they are born, 01:37:09.380 --> 01:37:11.040 they are less than. 01:37:11.040 --> 01:37:12.060 And I can't imagine that, 01:37:12.060 --> 01:37:14.333 that's the intent of anybody in this room. 01:37:17.039 --> 01:37:21.033 Okay, Mr. Cortez I think and then Mr. Allen. 01:37:22.130 --> 01:37:23.690 Thank you, Mr. Chair. 01:37:23.690 --> 01:37:28.690 Again, I just want to rise in supportive of my amendment. 01:37:29.310 --> 01:37:34.310 I think I agree with what a member Perez said, 01:37:36.197 --> 01:37:39.290 about all of us wanting the best for our students. 01:37:39.290 --> 01:37:43.570 But, it's probably no secret that you all would know 01:37:43.570 --> 01:37:47.140 that I've supported the LGBTQ community for years, right? 01:37:47.140 --> 01:37:50.690 And even in a home like mine, where for me, 01:37:50.690 --> 01:37:52.400 you love who you want to love, right? 01:37:52.400 --> 01:37:54.750 Be who you want to be express yourself, 01:37:54.750 --> 01:37:56.050 how you to express yourself. 01:37:56.050 --> 01:37:59.250 Even for me, in a home like mine, 01:37:59.250 --> 01:38:02.963 one of my children this summer, came out to us. 01:38:04.090 --> 01:38:07.913 And the fact that she had to bottle that in, for years, 01:38:08.960 --> 01:38:10.810 thinking that we wouldn't accept her. 01:38:16.620 --> 01:38:18.537 (sobs) 01:38:21.720 --> 01:38:25.890 It's difficult to imagine what other students, 01:38:25.890 --> 01:38:29.760 who don't live in a tolerant house like ours, 01:38:29.760 --> 01:38:31.020 would be going through, 01:38:31.020 --> 01:38:34.090 if we don't insert language like this, 01:38:34.090 --> 01:38:35.753 to help our students. 01:38:36.770 --> 01:38:39.270 And so, I implore you, maybe it wasn't, 01:38:39.270 --> 01:38:42.030 it was a tough pill to swallow in sixth and seventh grade, 01:38:42.030 --> 01:38:43.510 seventh and eighth grade. 01:38:43.510 --> 01:38:45.910 But at this age, 01:38:45.910 --> 01:38:48.200 those of you have served on school boards. 01:38:48.200 --> 01:38:50.540 You know, you've been in your campuses, 01:38:50.540 --> 01:38:52.173 you've met your students, 01:38:53.180 --> 01:38:54.690 they're in there. 01:38:54.690 --> 01:38:56.713 We need to put a place for them, 01:38:57.670 --> 01:38:59.790 because if it happens in a house like mine, 01:38:59.790 --> 01:39:02.070 where I'm very tolerant to these things, 01:39:02.070 --> 01:39:03.480 imagine where it's happening, 01:39:03.480 --> 01:39:05.690 where there's an intolerant household. 01:39:05.690 --> 01:39:07.937 Imagine what those kids have to deal with. 01:39:07.937 --> 01:39:09.900 And we have an opportunity to correct that today 01:39:09.900 --> 01:39:11.670 with this amendment and the next. 01:39:11.670 --> 01:39:15.360 So, I urge you guys to please support this. 01:39:15.360 --> 01:39:16.560 Mr. Allen. 01:39:17.834 --> 01:39:19.960 Who want to rise and say that 01:39:19.960 --> 01:39:23.280 preventing bullying is a very good thing, 01:39:23.280 --> 01:39:24.650 but it does not go far enough. 01:39:24.650 --> 01:39:26.360 It does not actually lend itself 01:39:26.360 --> 01:39:30.010 to positive relationships amongst peers. 01:39:30.010 --> 01:39:32.680 Only bullying is couched under avoidance. 01:39:32.680 --> 01:39:35.310 Those things that I'm not comfortable with are void. 01:39:35.310 --> 01:39:37.270 But when I have a degree of knowledge, 01:39:37.270 --> 01:39:39.520 I'm able to interact in a very positive way 01:39:39.520 --> 01:39:40.780 with understanding. 01:39:40.780 --> 01:39:42.370 Without this standard, 01:39:42.370 --> 01:39:45.930 all we have is isolation and avoidance, 01:39:45.930 --> 01:39:49.740 and no conversation, because I don't understand. 01:39:49.740 --> 01:39:50.670 With this standard, 01:39:50.670 --> 01:39:54.410 we promote positive interaction amongst all students, 01:39:54.410 --> 01:39:57.280 based on the fact that, we have some common understanding 01:39:57.280 --> 01:39:59.270 of what's going on in our environment. 01:39:59.270 --> 01:40:00.670 So, I believe the standard 01:40:00.670 --> 01:40:03.230 is about promoting positive relationships, 01:40:03.230 --> 01:40:05.023 and not just preventing bullying. 01:40:06.290 --> 01:40:11.290 Okay, any further discussion ready for a vote? 01:40:11.960 --> 01:40:14.244 All in- Please, 01:40:14.244 --> 01:40:16.100 I would like to ask for roll call please. 01:40:16.100 --> 01:40:17.403 Excuse me. 01:40:17.403 --> 01:40:18.360 I'd like to ask for a roll call vote. 01:40:18.360 --> 01:40:20.000 Okay, all right. Thank you. 01:40:20.000 --> 01:40:22.150 Let's proceed with the roll call vote then. 01:40:23.600 --> 01:40:26.140 Yes means, obviously you're in favor of the amendment. 01:40:26.140 --> 01:40:30.800 No means you're opposed to it. (clears throat) 01:40:30.800 --> 01:40:31.943 Perez. 01:40:33.990 --> 01:40:36.581 Yes means in favor of correct? 01:40:36.581 --> 01:40:37.428 Yes. 01:40:37.428 --> 01:40:38.693 Then I vote Yes, thank you. 01:40:40.030 --> 01:40:41.220 Cortez. 01:40:41.220 --> 01:40:42.400 Yes. 01:40:42.400 --> 01:40:43.233 Perez-Diaz. 01:40:43.233 --> 01:40:44.500 Yes. 01:40:44.500 --> 01:40:45.333 Allen. 01:40:45.333 --> 01:40:46.510 Yes. 01:40:46.510 --> 01:40:47.595 Mercer. 01:40:47.595 --> 01:40:48.637 No. 01:40:48.637 --> 01:40:49.470 Bahorich. 01:40:49.470 --> 01:40:50.555 No. 01:40:50.555 --> 01:40:51.388 Roninson. 01:40:51.388 --> 01:40:52.221 Yes. 01:40:53.750 --> 01:40:54.583 Cargill. 01:40:54.583 --> 01:40:56.000 No. 01:40:56.000 --> 01:40:56.850 Maynard. 01:40:56.850 --> 01:40:58.040 No. 01:40:58.040 --> 01:40:59.030 Hardy. 01:40:59.030 --> 01:41:00.100 No. 01:41:00.100 --> 01:41:00.981 Little. 01:41:00.981 --> 01:41:02.360 No. 01:41:02.360 --> 01:41:03.590 Davis. 01:41:03.590 --> 01:41:04.985 Yes. 01:41:04.985 --> 01:41:06.833 Melton-Malone. 01:41:06.833 --> 01:41:07.666 [Ms. Melton-Malone] No. 01:41:07.666 --> 01:41:08.661 Rowley. 01:41:08.661 --> 01:41:10.312 No. 01:41:10.312 --> 01:41:11.773 Ellis. 01:41:15.380 --> 01:41:18.067 Six, yes, six to nine. 01:41:20.922 --> 01:41:23.720 Okay, motion fails six to nine. 01:41:23.720 --> 01:41:25.613 Mr. Chair, I have another motion. 01:41:26.830 --> 01:41:28.983 Are you gonna take this, (indistinct) meeting. 01:41:33.605 --> 01:41:34.572 Did you connect. 01:41:34.572 --> 01:41:35.560 Yeah go ahead Mr. Cortez. 01:41:35.560 --> 01:41:37.420 So it was supposed to be a 20H, 01:41:37.420 --> 01:41:39.428 but since G didn't make it it'll be 20G. 01:41:39.428 --> 01:41:44.428 And I move that we insert a new 20G that reads, 01:41:50.167 --> 01:41:55.167 "Explain how to promote safety, respect, awareness, 01:41:56.900 --> 01:42:00.370 and acceptance for all people, 01:42:00.370 --> 01:42:05.370 regardless of their sexual orientation, gender identity, 01:42:06.550 --> 01:42:08.057 or gender expression." 01:42:09.468 --> 01:42:11.067 Second. 01:42:11.067 --> 01:42:12.817 A motion and a second. 01:42:14.850 --> 01:42:16.610 Any discussion on this item? 01:42:20.631 --> 01:42:21.464 What? 01:42:21.464 --> 01:42:22.670 Ms. Kay, make sure she has it correct. 01:42:22.670 --> 01:42:24.773 Mr. Cortez, can you confirm 01:42:24.773 --> 01:42:27.701 that the language is correct on the screen? 01:42:27.701 --> 01:42:30.140 It's correct. 01:42:30.140 --> 01:42:35.140 Explain how to promote safety, respect, awareness, 01:42:35.140 --> 01:42:36.970 and acceptance for all people, 01:42:36.970 --> 01:42:41.970 regardless of their sexual orientation, gender identity, 01:42:42.980 --> 01:42:45.653 or gender expression. Yes. It's correct. 01:42:45.653 --> 01:42:47.271 It's Correct on the screen Mr. Chair. 01:42:47.271 --> 01:42:48.577 Okay, thank you. 01:42:48.577 --> 01:42:49.673 Do we have the second? 01:42:49.673 --> 01:42:50.816 I have (indistinct). 01:42:50.816 --> 01:42:52.483 Okay, Ms. Perez-Diaz for a discussion. 01:42:53.988 --> 01:42:56.730 I'm not gonna be repetitive. 01:42:56.730 --> 01:42:59.900 I think that it's pretty clear 01:42:59.900 --> 01:43:01.670 what we're trying to accomplish here, 01:43:01.670 --> 01:43:03.840 but the one thing I will we'll do 01:43:03.840 --> 01:43:05.760 before we move to the vote, 01:43:05.760 --> 01:43:10.500 is, I'm gonna try to dig really deep. 01:43:10.500 --> 01:43:14.520 And I know that a lot of this fear, 01:43:14.520 --> 01:43:17.583 and a lot of the discomfort and talking about, 01:43:18.490 --> 01:43:21.250 gender identity, gender fluidity. 01:43:21.250 --> 01:43:26.210 All of that is very much based in religion and ideology. 01:43:26.210 --> 01:43:29.797 And I want to be very respectful of that, 01:43:29.797 --> 01:43:33.430 but what I will say is, as a Christian, 01:43:33.430 --> 01:43:37.210 I was taught to love, and to respect, 01:43:37.210 --> 01:43:39.193 and to honor the people around me. 01:43:40.130 --> 01:43:42.963 And so, I think it's very hard for me 01:43:47.330 --> 01:43:51.520 to reconcile how one can call themselves a Christian, 01:43:51.520 --> 01:43:55.610 and not see past their own perspective, 01:43:55.610 --> 01:44:00.610 to support an honor and recognize youth, 01:44:04.450 --> 01:44:06.603 who are asking to be seen. 01:44:08.420 --> 01:44:10.950 And this isn't a judgment statement. 01:44:10.950 --> 01:44:15.640 I genuinely I'm trying to understand because I don't. 01:44:15.640 --> 01:44:18.070 And I've been fighting this 01:44:18.070 --> 01:44:20.040 since we started this conversation health, 01:44:20.040 --> 01:44:22.800 and it's very infuriating for me that, 01:44:22.800 --> 01:44:27.800 we continue to leave out these students. 01:44:28.400 --> 01:44:31.800 We heard over and over again in testimony, 01:44:31.800 --> 01:44:34.360 about what their experiences were, 01:44:34.360 --> 01:44:36.740 and for us to neglect that, 01:44:36.740 --> 01:44:40.423 because we're uncomfortable is irresponsible. 01:44:41.340 --> 01:44:42.800 And that's all I have to say. 01:44:42.800 --> 01:44:44.810 I stand in favor of this motion. 01:44:44.810 --> 01:44:46.610 Mr. Rowley. 01:44:46.610 --> 01:44:49.752 With all due respect to my fellow members, 01:44:49.752 --> 01:44:52.940 and their perspective on this particular issue. 01:44:52.940 --> 01:44:56.850 My vote has nothing to do with religious beliefs. 01:44:56.850 --> 01:45:00.610 I try to make my decisions in this room based upon 01:45:00.610 --> 01:45:04.140 what's best for the districts that I represent, 01:45:04.140 --> 01:45:07.280 and the 5.5 million children, 01:45:07.280 --> 01:45:10.060 that are part of Texas public education. 01:45:10.060 --> 01:45:12.020 In my opinion, 01:45:12.020 --> 01:45:14.480 and I don't believe it's irresponsible. 01:45:14.480 --> 01:45:16.170 I don't believe that's reprehensive. 01:45:16.170 --> 01:45:17.950 I don't think it's uncaring, 01:45:17.950 --> 01:45:19.790 I don't think it's unfeeling. 01:45:19.790 --> 01:45:23.420 I think it is a governance decision that I make, 01:45:23.420 --> 01:45:26.610 that says, what's best for each district, 01:45:26.610 --> 01:45:29.760 is to be determined by that local district. 01:45:29.760 --> 01:45:34.030 There is a statute 28.004, that we have to be mindful of, 01:45:34.030 --> 01:45:37.540 whenever we begin to veer off into this, this area. 01:45:37.540 --> 01:45:41.940 And there's also local control issues, 01:45:41.940 --> 01:45:44.910 that I personally defer to on every occasion 01:45:44.910 --> 01:45:46.670 that I have the opportunity. 01:45:46.670 --> 01:45:50.520 If Austin ISD, wants to take up these issues, 01:45:50.520 --> 01:45:51.850 more power to them, 01:45:51.850 --> 01:45:54.780 but that doesn't mean that Borger ISD, 01:45:54.780 --> 01:45:57.470 or Amarillo ISD, or Canyon ISD, 01:45:57.470 --> 01:46:00.620 or any other ISD that I represent in the Panhandle, 01:46:00.620 --> 01:46:04.840 in West Texas wants to be mandated to teach this. 01:46:04.840 --> 01:46:07.670 And if we put them in the standards, 01:46:07.670 --> 01:46:10.460 regardless of how we feel about it, personally, 01:46:10.460 --> 01:46:11.880 if we put this in the standard, 01:46:11.880 --> 01:46:13.990 we're mandating this be taught, 01:46:13.990 --> 01:46:16.850 in every classroom, all across the state. 01:46:16.850 --> 01:46:19.840 I leave that up to local board of trustees, 01:46:19.840 --> 01:46:21.630 and I trust their judgment. 01:46:21.630 --> 01:46:24.591 And I'm hope I'm not unfeeling. 01:46:24.591 --> 01:46:27.420 Anytime, any member wants to talk to me 01:46:27.420 --> 01:46:30.940 about my personal views about these issues, 01:46:30.940 --> 01:46:32.520 I'll be happy to talk about them, 01:46:32.520 --> 01:46:35.140 and you may be surprised how I come down on them. 01:46:35.140 --> 01:46:37.560 But that doesn't mean that I'm gonna vote 01:46:37.560 --> 01:46:41.160 to mandate it be taught, all across the state of Texas. 01:46:41.160 --> 01:46:43.510 And so, I stand in opposition to the amendment. 01:46:44.620 --> 01:46:46.983 Any other members, Mr. Allen. 01:46:48.870 --> 01:46:50.520 I simply wanted to. 01:46:51.700 --> 01:46:54.780 recognize that most classrooms I walk into, 01:46:54.780 --> 01:46:56.630 start out with something 01:46:56.630 --> 01:46:58.570 about treating everybody with respect. 01:46:58.570 --> 01:47:00.430 I don't care what level it is, 01:47:00.430 --> 01:47:01.700 whenever building you walk in, 01:47:01.700 --> 01:47:05.130 that's just a core value of a campus, 01:47:05.130 --> 01:47:07.810 and teaching our students every day, 01:47:07.810 --> 01:47:12.050 to simply treat all people with respect. 01:47:12.050 --> 01:47:13.270 But there's a hidden piece here. 01:47:13.270 --> 01:47:15.200 Now we understand regardless, 01:47:15.200 --> 01:47:18.410 to their sexual orientation or gender identity, 01:47:18.410 --> 01:47:19.970 we won't see that. 01:47:19.970 --> 01:47:21.080 But I think it's important. 01:47:21.080 --> 01:47:23.860 I think all of us would certainly agree with 01:47:23.860 --> 01:47:25.760 treating everybody with respect. 01:47:25.760 --> 01:47:27.740 That's not no disagreement, 01:47:27.740 --> 01:47:30.270 but should we say, except those, 01:47:30.270 --> 01:47:33.850 who identify from a different sexual orientation, 01:47:33.850 --> 01:47:35.260 than ourselves. 01:47:35.260 --> 01:47:37.180 And so, I rest to support this 01:47:37.180 --> 01:47:39.400 because it's important that we bring that out, 01:47:39.400 --> 01:47:43.003 at this time that we need to show respect, 01:47:43.860 --> 01:47:46.230 for those who identify under 01:47:46.230 --> 01:47:47.930 different sexual orientations and gender. 01:47:47.930 --> 01:47:49.470 So, I just think it's important. 01:47:49.470 --> 01:47:54.470 It's not a stretch, for SHAC to talk about respecting those. 01:47:54.857 --> 01:47:58.420 This is really, really easy for us, 01:47:58.420 --> 01:47:59.820 in terms of showing respect. 01:48:01.643 --> 01:48:03.000 All right. 01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:05.100 Is there any other members you'd like to comment? 01:48:05.100 --> 01:48:05.960 Mr. Mercer. 01:48:05.960 --> 01:48:08.190 Thank you Mr. Chairman. 01:48:08.190 --> 01:48:12.100 Again, I read 20, and we don't delineate. 01:48:12.100 --> 01:48:13.750 We talk about all kids again, 01:48:13.750 --> 01:48:16.429 as we did for bullying and cyber bullying, 01:48:16.429 --> 01:48:17.400 and we don't differentiate, 01:48:17.400 --> 01:48:19.330 but we said the differentiating 01:48:19.330 --> 01:48:21.030 in different types of relationships. 01:48:21.030 --> 01:48:22.080 Romantic, casual, 01:48:22.080 --> 01:48:24.270 we talk about friendships and healthy dating. 01:48:24.270 --> 01:48:27.290 We talk about a ways of communicating emotions, 01:48:27.290 --> 01:48:29.090 or medical relationships, 01:48:29.090 --> 01:48:32.267 character traits for romantic marriage and relationships. 01:48:32.267 --> 01:48:35.340 And we talk over and over about enhanced dignity, respect, 01:48:35.340 --> 01:48:38.730 and responsibility, and development of children. 01:48:38.730 --> 01:48:42.380 So we were cautious to make sure we have everybody included, 01:48:42.380 --> 01:48:44.283 whatever is in now or in the future. 01:48:45.250 --> 01:48:47.470 And yes, I have questions about SHAC, 01:48:47.470 --> 01:48:50.130 but they are local control, 01:48:50.130 --> 01:48:52.700 and their responsibility is to react 01:48:52.700 --> 01:48:55.030 to the needs of that community. 01:48:55.030 --> 01:48:58.730 But I would argue that we cover everyone here. 01:48:58.730 --> 01:49:02.280 Again, we talk about enhanced dignity, respect, 01:49:02.280 --> 01:49:04.950 and responsibility and be (indistinct) 01:49:04.950 --> 01:49:08.110 about all behaviors, in romantic relationships. 01:49:08.110 --> 01:49:11.210 Thank you. 01:49:11.210 --> 01:49:13.290 Any other discussion? 01:49:13.290 --> 01:49:14.123 Hearing none. 01:49:15.050 --> 01:49:16.230 We'll go ahead and take the vote. 01:49:16.230 --> 01:49:18.450 All those who are in favor of the amendment 01:49:18.450 --> 01:49:20.010 will vote with a yes vote. 01:49:20.010 --> 01:49:23.390 There's a roll call vote requested would be granted, 01:49:23.390 --> 01:49:24.293 Ms. Martinez. 01:49:26.390 --> 01:49:29.390 And for clarification, a yes vote will be for the amendment. 01:49:30.570 --> 01:49:31.560 Perez. 01:49:31.560 --> 01:49:32.775 Yes. 01:49:32.775 --> 01:49:33.999 Cortez. 01:49:33.999 --> 01:49:35.014 Yes. 01:49:35.014 --> 01:49:36.107 Perez-Diaz. 01:49:36.107 --> 01:49:37.253 Yes. 01:49:37.253 --> 01:49:38.411 Allen. 01:49:38.411 --> 01:49:39.420 Yes. 01:49:39.420 --> 01:49:40.462 Mercer. 01:49:40.462 --> 01:49:41.370 I'm always the first to say no. 01:49:41.370 --> 01:49:42.553 Mercer. 01:49:43.808 --> 01:49:45.477 No. 01:49:45.477 --> 01:49:46.310 Bahorich. 01:49:46.310 --> 01:49:47.143 No. 01:49:47.143 --> 01:49:48.039 Robinson. 01:49:48.039 --> 01:49:48.890 Yes. 01:49:48.890 --> 01:49:49.723 Cargill. 01:49:49.723 --> 01:49:50.570 No. 01:49:50.570 --> 01:49:51.840 Maynard. 01:49:51.840 --> 01:49:52.880 No. 01:49:52.880 --> 01:49:53.740 Hardy. 01:49:53.740 --> 01:49:54.845 No. 01:49:54.845 --> 01:49:55.678 Little. 01:49:55.678 --> 01:49:56.560 No. 01:49:56.560 --> 01:49:57.686 Davis. 01:49:57.686 --> 01:49:59.223 Yes. 01:50:00.715 --> 01:50:01.865 Melton-Malone. 01:50:01.865 --> 01:50:04.330 [Ms. Melton-Malone] No. 01:50:04.330 --> 01:50:05.568 Rowley. 01:50:05.568 --> 01:50:07.671 No. 01:50:07.671 --> 01:50:09.550 No. 01:50:09.550 --> 01:50:10.743 Six, to nine. 01:50:12.280 --> 01:50:15.580 The motion fails on a vote of six to nine. 01:50:15.580 --> 01:50:16.423 Mr. Rowley. 01:50:17.320 --> 01:50:19.420 I had a question about 20F. 01:50:20.650 --> 01:50:25.310 I believe we made the decision last night, 01:50:25.310 --> 01:50:28.060 about committed relationships. 01:50:28.060 --> 01:50:29.870 And so, that's been amended. 01:50:29.870 --> 01:50:30.990 Big time, actually. 01:50:30.990 --> 01:50:33.180 Okay, so that's been amended already. 01:50:33.180 --> 01:50:34.396 Okay. 01:50:34.396 --> 01:50:36.762 Ill be (indistinct), yeah. 01:50:36.762 --> 01:50:37.820 Okay. 01:50:37.820 --> 01:50:39.971 Okay, I just wanted to make sure that, okay. 01:50:39.971 --> 01:50:42.304 (murmuring) 01:50:46.977 --> 01:50:48.037 Okay. 01:50:48.037 --> 01:50:48.890 Ms. Bahorich? 01:50:48.890 --> 01:50:50.990 Yes, members were at 21F. 01:50:53.127 --> 01:50:56.240 And this change would align with what we did 01:50:56.240 --> 01:50:57.500 in seventh and eighth. 01:50:57.500 --> 01:50:59.337 And it for 21F it would says, 01:50:59.337 --> 01:51:01.750 "Analyze how a healthy sense of self, 01:51:01.750 --> 01:51:05.820 and making and respecting decisions on, 01:51:05.820 --> 01:51:08.710 safe boundaries and limits, 01:51:08.710 --> 01:51:12.845 promotes healthy dating/romantic relationships." 01:51:12.845 --> 01:51:14.515 Second. 01:51:14.515 --> 01:51:16.173 So a motion and a second. 01:51:16.173 --> 01:51:17.006 Allingment. 01:51:17.006 --> 01:51:17.839 (indistinct) like to speak to it. 01:51:17.839 --> 01:51:18.880 It's what we did last night 01:51:18.880 --> 01:51:19.740 in seventh and eighth. Okay. 01:51:19.740 --> 01:51:21.700 So this is just a scaffolding 01:51:21.700 --> 01:51:22.850 for health one. 01:51:22.850 --> 01:51:25.290 Any further discussion? 01:51:25.290 --> 01:51:27.010 Any objection? 01:51:27.010 --> 01:51:28.110 Motion carries. 01:51:42.707 --> 01:51:44.123 Is 21I on a screen? 01:51:46.210 --> 01:51:48.150 Analyze factors, including alcohol 01:51:48.150 --> 01:51:49.980 and other substances that in, 01:51:49.980 --> 01:51:52.193 delete the word can, is can there? 01:51:53.600 --> 01:51:56.170 That affect decision-making setting 01:51:56.170 --> 01:51:57.340 and respecting boundaries, 01:51:57.340 --> 01:51:59.863 and increasing sexual risk. 01:52:01.430 --> 01:52:05.680 I get, again, I get analyzed factors, 01:52:05.680 --> 01:52:07.420 including the alcohol and other substances 01:52:07.420 --> 01:52:11.300 that affect decision making, and setting, 01:52:11.300 --> 01:52:13.360 and respecting boundaries and increasing 01:52:13.360 --> 01:52:15.624 to increase sexual risk behavior. 01:52:15.624 --> 01:52:18.327 (indistinct) no, I'm sorry. 01:52:18.327 --> 01:52:20.497 So, delete behavior at the end of there. 01:52:20.497 --> 01:52:23.350 I have my glasses on can't find them. 01:52:23.350 --> 01:52:24.978 Okay. 01:52:24.978 --> 01:52:27.178 So here's how it currently reads Mr. Mercer. 01:52:28.909 --> 01:52:31.500 we're inserting decision-making, 01:52:31.500 --> 01:52:34.617 and setting and respecting ... 01:52:34.617 --> 01:52:36.587 Can't read that cause we've got the, 01:52:37.835 --> 01:52:39.080 what was it say, Oh, there we go. 01:52:39.080 --> 01:52:42.360 Boundaries, and increased sexual risk. 01:52:42.360 --> 01:52:44.000 Yes. 01:52:44.000 --> 01:52:45.890 Is that what you intend? 01:52:45.890 --> 01:52:47.270 Yes, then we delete the word can, 01:52:47.270 --> 01:52:48.580 is that correct? 01:52:48.580 --> 01:52:49.413 Yes. Yes. 01:52:49.413 --> 01:52:51.012 That's right. 01:52:51.012 --> 01:52:52.450 Deleted can, and just says that effect, okay. 01:52:52.450 --> 01:52:55.350 Comma, again (indistinct), for setting. 01:52:56.565 --> 01:52:58.323 Okay, there you go. 01:53:00.230 --> 01:53:03.540 Decision-making comma, setting and respecting boundaries. 01:53:03.540 --> 01:53:04.699 Okay, is there a second? 01:53:04.699 --> 01:53:05.761 Second. 01:53:05.761 --> 01:53:07.728 Is there a discussion? 01:53:07.728 --> 01:53:09.580 (indistinct). 01:53:09.580 --> 01:53:11.446 Okay, Ms. Perez. 01:53:11.446 --> 01:53:12.580 To the maker of the motion, 01:53:12.580 --> 01:53:13.890 please explain to me, 01:53:13.890 --> 01:53:16.480 because I'm having a bit of difficulty. 01:53:16.480 --> 01:53:18.600 Here where it says, "Decision-making setting 01:53:18.600 --> 01:53:20.310 and respecting boundaries." 01:53:20.310 --> 01:53:22.920 Does this sound like, 01:53:22.920 --> 01:53:27.130 if you consume alcohol or other substances, 01:53:27.130 --> 01:53:29.610 you will have difficulty respecting the boundaries 01:53:29.610 --> 01:53:31.840 that somebody sets for you. 01:53:31.840 --> 01:53:35.413 Meaning, if I'm out on a date with a person 01:53:35.413 --> 01:53:37.982 that I perceived to be a gentleman, 01:53:37.982 --> 01:53:39.160 and he's consumed alcohol, 01:53:39.160 --> 01:53:41.530 or other substances, and I say no, 01:53:41.530 --> 01:53:44.700 but because of his consumption of these substances, 01:53:44.700 --> 01:53:47.600 he may have difficult respecting my boundaries? 01:53:47.600 --> 01:53:49.210 Because that's how I read this. 01:53:49.210 --> 01:53:51.690 So I'd need some clarification, please. 01:53:53.980 --> 01:53:55.480 We discussed this yesterday too, 01:53:55.480 --> 01:53:56.990 for some better wording. 01:53:56.990 --> 01:53:58.720 Is this the ones that staff is gonna give us 01:53:58.720 --> 01:54:01.631 some better wordings on it, am I incorrect? 01:54:01.631 --> 01:54:02.464 No. 01:54:02.464 --> 01:54:03.805 This is not one? 01:54:03.805 --> 01:54:06.138 (murmuring) 01:54:12.091 --> 01:54:12.924 But again, 01:54:12.924 --> 01:54:16.150 the key here is that can affect decision-making setting, 01:54:16.150 --> 01:54:20.090 respecting boundaries and increase sexual risk. 01:54:20.090 --> 01:54:23.313 But that does not answer your question, Ms. Perez, does it? 01:54:24.190 --> 01:54:25.080 No, sir. 01:54:25.080 --> 01:54:26.298 It does not. 01:54:26.298 --> 01:54:29.640 And let me tell you how I hear or how I read this, 01:54:29.640 --> 01:54:32.050 because perhaps that makes it easier to understand 01:54:32.050 --> 01:54:33.250 where I'm trying to get. 01:54:34.140 --> 01:54:39.140 Does this read to anyone else, like, it's an excuse, 01:54:39.210 --> 01:54:43.330 perhaps because the individual was inebriated, 01:54:43.330 --> 01:54:48.330 that their criminal violations are excusable, 01:54:48.700 --> 01:54:51.580 because they were under the influence. 01:54:51.580 --> 01:54:53.650 Because that's how I'm reading it. 01:54:53.650 --> 01:54:54.930 And if I'm reading it that way, 01:54:54.930 --> 01:54:59.930 I just wonder how many others will read it that way as well. 01:55:01.230 --> 01:55:03.603 Becausee remember, this is all, 01:55:03.603 --> 01:55:04.436 it's left up to interpretation. 01:55:04.436 --> 01:55:05.340 I cannot be the only person 01:55:05.340 --> 01:55:07.560 who might have that interpretation. 01:55:07.560 --> 01:55:09.070 Say that again (indistinct). 01:55:09.070 --> 01:55:09.903 Okay. 01:55:09.903 --> 01:55:13.560 So here's the scenario that I'm understanding. 01:55:13.560 --> 01:55:16.230 I'm out on a date with a gentleman 01:55:16.230 --> 01:55:19.330 who has consumed alcohol or other substances. 01:55:19.330 --> 01:55:21.193 I set a boundary for myself. 01:55:21.193 --> 01:55:23.010 I say, no, 01:55:23.010 --> 01:55:24.990 but because of this gentleman's consumption 01:55:24.990 --> 01:55:26.800 of alcohol, or other substances, 01:55:26.800 --> 01:55:30.450 he is less likely to respect my boundaries. 01:55:30.450 --> 01:55:32.270 One that puts the onus on me. 01:55:32.270 --> 01:55:34.740 And two, it sounds like it's excusable for him 01:55:34.740 --> 01:55:36.440 to not respect my boundaries, 01:55:36.440 --> 01:55:40.140 because of his consumption of alcohol or other substances. 01:55:40.140 --> 01:55:44.030 I realize you don't read it that way, but I do. 01:55:44.030 --> 01:55:45.803 I would read it as- 01:55:46.851 --> 01:55:47.740 Standard. 01:55:47.740 --> 01:55:49.970 His consent consumption of alcohol, 01:55:49.970 --> 01:55:53.653 is detrimental to his ability to respect boundaries. 01:55:55.470 --> 01:55:57.800 Detrimental as in, you shouldn't consume alcohol, 01:55:57.800 --> 01:55:59.490 because then you're not able 01:55:59.490 --> 01:56:01.160 to respect other people's boundaries. 01:56:01.160 --> 01:56:02.480 I understand you're saying 01:56:02.480 --> 01:56:03.700 you can read it more ways than that, 01:56:03.700 --> 01:56:06.370 but that's what I think it's talking about 01:56:06.370 --> 01:56:09.660 is alcohol as a factor that keeps you 01:56:09.660 --> 01:56:11.750 from properly or appropriately respecting 01:56:11.750 --> 01:56:12.600 other people's boundaries. 01:56:12.600 --> 01:56:14.180 But that's my take on there. 01:56:14.180 --> 01:56:17.500 There's another edition after I, 01:56:17.500 --> 01:56:20.910 which is J, and it talks about why it's wrong 01:56:20.910 --> 01:56:23.510 to violate another person's boundaries. 01:56:23.510 --> 01:56:24.540 And that was my question. 01:56:24.540 --> 01:56:26.880 If there's a way to combine I and J, 01:56:26.880 --> 01:56:28.140 or keeping separate again, 01:56:28.140 --> 01:56:29.890 I would talk about this. 01:56:29.890 --> 01:56:31.310 And I'm not gonna go to J. 01:56:31.310 --> 01:56:34.770 It's not up here yet, but, we had in there to add, 01:56:34.770 --> 01:56:38.420 why it is wrong to violate another person's boundaries. 01:56:38.420 --> 01:56:40.420 Okay, Mrs. Perez Diaz. 01:56:40.420 --> 01:56:41.253 Thank you, sir. 01:56:41.253 --> 01:56:43.360 So, I have some alternative language 01:56:43.360 --> 01:56:47.810 that may address the situation, 01:56:47.810 --> 01:56:49.530 and may not require a J, 01:56:49.530 --> 01:56:52.300 but so I'll offer it up and then have everybody 01:56:52.300 --> 01:56:54.050 kinda just chew on it if it's okay. 01:56:54.900 --> 01:56:58.657 I would say, "Analyze factors, including alcohol, 01:57:01.180 --> 01:57:05.920 and other substances, that I'll leave can, 01:57:05.920 --> 01:57:10.920 stricken affect, decision-making comma, 01:57:13.230 --> 01:57:18.230 increase, risk behavior, comma, and reduce. 01:57:20.410 --> 01:57:23.683 I would strike studying and respecting boundaries. 01:57:27.140 --> 01:57:28.823 Strike and as well, 01:57:35.874 --> 01:57:37.350 let see where? 01:57:37.350 --> 01:57:38.350 Actually, I'm sorry. 01:57:38.350 --> 01:57:41.620 Continue to strike language up until 01:57:43.100 --> 01:57:45.230 it says the ability. 01:57:45.230 --> 01:57:46.853 So right there, aha. 01:57:49.584 --> 01:57:53.120 I would unstrike, the ability, 01:57:56.256 --> 01:57:57.606 and then what's after that. 01:57:59.740 --> 01:58:02.443 Yeah, I would unstrike the ability to give, 01:58:03.420 --> 01:58:04.253 oops! 01:58:07.760 --> 01:58:12.467 Comma, withhold, comma, 01:58:16.017 --> 01:58:19.260 and then leave the rest of it the way it is. 01:58:19.260 --> 01:58:21.853 And I don't know if perhaps Ms. Perez, 01:58:22.720 --> 01:58:25.300 if that addresses the issue. 01:58:25.300 --> 01:58:29.570 I think the lack of the word perceive is important. 01:58:29.570 --> 01:58:32.083 The lack of word perceive is I think it. 01:58:33.100 --> 01:58:34.840 Okay, so Ms. Perez-Diaz, 01:58:34.840 --> 01:58:37.317 these first off, I mean, 01:58:37.317 --> 01:58:39.920 is the language as it's reflected here, 01:58:39.920 --> 01:58:41.883 what you intend for it to say, 01:58:42.760 --> 01:58:44.843 we're not quite to the point of amending it yet, 01:58:44.843 --> 01:58:46.990 because we need to check parliamentary advise 01:58:46.990 --> 01:58:48.644 if we can do that, but. 01:58:48.644 --> 01:58:50.750 Not really, can. 01:58:50.750 --> 01:58:53.051 Oh yeah, can is ... 01:58:53.051 --> 01:58:53.884 Is stricken. 01:58:53.884 --> 01:58:56.110 Yeah, in both versions can is stricken. 01:58:56.110 --> 01:58:57.963 There you go, yeah, that's okay. 01:58:59.129 --> 01:59:01.029 Affect decision- 01:59:01.029 --> 01:59:03.229 Okay, but let me ask Ms. Cruz, 01:59:04.590 --> 01:59:07.840 I mean, are we able to amend the amendment 01:59:07.840 --> 01:59:10.033 to this extent now? 01:59:11.790 --> 01:59:13.548 Quite frankly, 01:59:13.548 --> 01:59:15.143 under the technical dot, 01:59:15.143 --> 01:59:16.300 and tittle of Robert's Rules of order, 01:59:16.300 --> 01:59:17.840 you should not be. 01:59:17.840 --> 01:59:20.970 However, because it is written on the screen, 01:59:20.970 --> 01:59:23.040 in a way that everyone can see it. 01:59:23.040 --> 01:59:25.115 If there were no objections, 01:59:25.115 --> 01:59:27.750 then that would be tantamount, suspending that rule, 01:59:27.750 --> 01:59:30.380 so that you could proceed without wrecking yourselves 01:59:30.380 --> 01:59:32.770 further around the parliamentary AXA- 01:59:32.770 --> 01:59:34.484 Okay. (giggles) As much fun 01:59:34.484 --> 01:59:35.317 that is. 01:59:35.317 --> 01:59:37.850 We appreciate your flexibility. 01:59:37.850 --> 01:59:41.510 Okay, so the question is, is there any objection, 01:59:41.510 --> 01:59:45.670 to essentially substituting this amendment, 01:59:45.670 --> 01:59:47.533 for the one that was previously made? 01:59:48.610 --> 01:59:50.250 Yes, there is an objection. 01:59:50.250 --> 01:59:53.694 I have re-objection, but a kinda comment. 01:59:53.694 --> 01:59:56.077 Can I try to get my objection based on what? 01:59:56.077 --> 01:59:57.520 Can I say, share that one? 01:59:57.520 --> 01:59:58.750 Well, you can, 01:59:58.750 --> 02:00:01.060 but since Ms. Cargill has voiced an objection, 02:00:01.060 --> 02:00:02.066 it's essentially- Okay. 02:00:02.066 --> 02:00:05.030 Back on the table, 02:00:05.030 --> 02:00:07.450 your amendment is back on the table. 02:00:07.450 --> 02:00:09.910 And Ms. Perez-Diaz, your amendment, 02:00:09.910 --> 02:00:11.980 I think parliamentary-wise, 02:00:11.980 --> 02:00:13.860 we can't get there from here, 02:00:13.860 --> 02:00:15.520 without going off the reservation. 02:00:15.520 --> 02:00:17.970 So- Okay. 02:00:17.970 --> 02:00:20.380 So, just so everyone understands though, 02:00:20.380 --> 02:00:24.937 in order to consider Ms. Pettis-Diaz's amendment, 02:00:26.540 --> 02:00:27.760 Mr. Cortez, are you with me, 02:00:27.760 --> 02:00:30.410 in order to consider Ms. Perez Diaz amendment. 02:00:30.410 --> 02:00:33.650 We need to defeat Mr. Mercer's amendment. 02:00:33.650 --> 02:00:34.630 Am I correct? 02:00:34.630 --> 02:00:36.661 Yeah. Ms. Cruz? 02:00:36.661 --> 02:00:38.031 Yes. 02:00:38.031 --> 02:00:39.038 Not that not that you need to, 02:00:39.038 --> 02:00:39.871 but I'm just saying- 02:00:39.871 --> 02:00:40.750 I'm reverse engineer to get back to- 02:00:40.750 --> 02:00:42.430 Okay, so everybody understands 02:00:42.430 --> 02:00:44.030 what happened last night. 02:00:44.030 --> 02:00:46.993 And some said they didn't understand it. 02:00:48.030 --> 02:00:49.930 But in order to consider Ms. Perez-Diaz 02:00:49.930 --> 02:00:53.130 as alternate language, let me put it this way. 02:00:53.130 --> 02:00:57.993 If Mr. Mercer's amendment passes, then we move on. 02:00:58.920 --> 02:01:00.640 That's the way to say that. 02:01:00.640 --> 02:01:01.890 Okay, everybody understand? 02:01:01.890 --> 02:01:03.237 Yes, Mr. Mercer. 02:01:03.237 --> 02:01:05.597 And my comment was what I was trying, 02:01:05.597 --> 02:01:07.932 and I appreciate the effort going forward. 02:01:07.932 --> 02:01:10.870 My comment wasn't you don't know about J yet, 02:01:10.870 --> 02:01:14.440 but J says, just so you know, 02:01:14.440 --> 02:01:16.100 and I was asking maybe the J words, 02:01:16.100 --> 02:01:18.320 could be combined with I into one SSI, 02:01:18.320 --> 02:01:21.110 but it is wrong to violate another person's boundaries, 02:01:21.110 --> 02:01:24.713 and to manipulate or threaten someone into sexual activity. 02:01:25.630 --> 02:01:27.967 Those are the words in J, then we're not part of I. 02:01:27.967 --> 02:01:32.120 So, my question was, if we leave I, and pass that, 02:01:32.120 --> 02:01:34.140 doesn't J answer that concern? 02:01:34.140 --> 02:01:36.140 All I'm asking the members should we combine 02:01:36.140 --> 02:01:37.203 I and j together? 02:01:38.100 --> 02:01:39.413 Okay. Ms. Perez. 02:01:40.870 --> 02:01:42.310 To the maker of the motion. 02:01:42.310 --> 02:01:44.527 I understand what you're, 02:01:44.527 --> 02:01:45.360 where you're trying to get, 02:01:45.360 --> 02:01:48.130 but that eliminates the gentleman's 02:01:48.130 --> 02:01:50.560 consumption of alcohol or other substances 02:01:50.560 --> 02:01:55.110 that caused him to be unable to respect me saying no. 02:01:55.110 --> 02:01:56.753 So, that's the difference. 02:01:58.962 --> 02:02:01.156 Okay, (indistinct). 02:02:01.156 --> 02:02:03.489 (murmuring) 02:02:12.767 --> 02:02:15.410 Okay, we're taking just a moment. 02:02:15.410 --> 02:02:16.300 Yeah, hang on just a second. 02:02:16.300 --> 02:02:20.373 I'm trying to get back to where we were. 02:02:21.630 --> 02:02:24.070 With Mr. Mercer's amendment? 02:02:24.070 --> 02:02:25.170 Yeah. 02:02:26.690 --> 02:02:27.633 21. 02:02:29.870 --> 02:02:31.790 Here, okay. 02:02:31.790 --> 02:02:33.340 I got it, cool. 02:02:33.340 --> 02:02:35.170 Yeah, thank you very much. 02:02:38.630 --> 02:02:42.740 Okay, so where we're back to move forward. 02:02:42.740 --> 02:02:46.370 Any further discussion Ms. Perez, do you want more time, 02:02:46.370 --> 02:02:50.703 or are you fine with moving forward with the vote? 02:02:54.160 --> 02:02:58.163 No, sir, I believe this gets us there, right? 02:02:59.610 --> 02:03:00.463 Okay, so. 02:03:01.720 --> 02:03:02.553 All right. 02:03:02.553 --> 02:03:03.980 If I may, Mr. Chairman? 02:03:03.980 --> 02:03:04.880 Yes. 02:03:05.748 --> 02:03:07.390 If you'll notice on the screen, 02:03:07.390 --> 02:03:08.460 there are two Is, 02:03:08.460 --> 02:03:12.019 we're working first with this first I. 02:03:12.019 --> 02:03:12.852 Right. 02:03:12.852 --> 02:03:14.120 But I need for Mr. Mercer, 02:03:14.120 --> 02:03:18.893 because it was not in the last version of the amendments 02:03:18.893 --> 02:03:20.010 that I received, 02:03:20.010 --> 02:03:22.660 I need for him to read me his amendment again. 02:03:22.660 --> 02:03:24.590 Yeah, restate your motion, 02:03:24.590 --> 02:03:25.783 Mr. Mercer, please. 02:03:26.671 --> 02:03:27.770 I would like to add (indistinct). 02:03:28.750 --> 02:03:31.026 Is your mic on? 02:03:31.026 --> 02:03:32.692 There you go- <v Mr. Mercer>(indistinct) sir. 02:03:32.692 --> 02:03:35.337 Analyze factors, comma, include an alcohol, 02:03:35.337 --> 02:03:38.140 and other substances that in the delete can, 02:03:38.140 --> 02:03:40.213 just read, that affect decision-making, 02:03:40.213 --> 02:03:43.010 setting and respecting boundaries, 02:03:43.010 --> 02:03:46.140 and increase sexual increasing I'm sorry, 02:03:46.140 --> 02:03:47.133 sexual risk. 02:03:48.410 --> 02:03:53.410 and increasing get boundaries and increasing sexual risk. 02:03:55.130 --> 02:03:57.250 Again, it would read analyze factors, comma, 02:03:57.250 --> 02:04:00.290 including the alcohol and other substances, comma, 02:04:00.290 --> 02:04:02.700 that affect decision-making comma, 02:04:02.700 --> 02:04:04.880 setting and respecting boundaries, comma, 02:04:04.880 --> 02:04:06.766 and increasing sexual risk. Sexual risk. 02:04:06.766 --> 02:04:07.599 Okay. 02:04:07.599 --> 02:04:12.420 So on the screen on the screen is the text of the amendment. 02:04:14.690 --> 02:04:16.163 Any further discussion? 02:04:17.990 --> 02:04:19.930 Ready for a vote? 02:04:19.930 --> 02:04:23.003 All in favor signify by raising your hand please. 02:04:25.907 --> 02:04:28.687 One, two, three, six, seven, eight- 02:04:31.570 --> 02:04:32.403 Nine. 02:04:32.403 --> 02:04:35.540 All right, this is Mr. Mercer's. Is Mr. Allen- 02:04:35.540 --> 02:04:37.250 Yes, sir, my hand is down. 02:04:37.250 --> 02:04:38.951 Your hand is down? 02:04:38.951 --> 02:04:39.784 Okay. (indistinct). 02:04:39.784 --> 02:04:41.880 You wanted me to vote for it? No. (giggles) 02:04:41.880 --> 02:04:42.783 Okay. 02:04:43.665 --> 02:04:44.498 Well, one more time, show, show your hands, please. 02:04:44.498 --> 02:04:45.331 I'm sorry. 02:04:45.331 --> 02:04:47.363 All right, one, two, three, four- 02:04:48.300 --> 02:04:50.246 Hang up, five six, seven, eight. 02:04:50.246 --> 02:04:51.849 Mr. Maynard, did you? 02:04:51.849 --> 02:04:52.750 Nine. 02:04:52.750 --> 02:04:54.472 Nine, are you in favor? 02:04:54.472 --> 02:04:55.305 Yes. Yes. 02:04:55.305 --> 02:04:57.800 Well, we need to complete the vote first, 02:04:57.800 --> 02:04:59.687 don't wait before we take upon, okay. 02:04:59.687 --> 02:05:01.773 All opposed, same sign. 02:05:03.418 --> 02:05:04.780 One, two, three, four- 02:05:04.780 --> 02:05:06.203 Five. Five. 02:05:07.340 --> 02:05:08.462 Okay, yeah. 02:05:08.462 --> 02:05:10.795 (murmuring) 02:05:12.159 --> 02:05:13.259 Yeah. 02:05:14.479 --> 02:05:16.750 Motion passes nine to five. 02:05:16.750 --> 02:05:17.850 Okay. Ms. Bahorich. 02:05:17.850 --> 02:05:19.433 Yeah, I was just saying, 02:05:20.570 --> 02:05:22.762 I thought we were still working on the words. 02:05:22.762 --> 02:05:26.833 So I had wanted to insert, to perceive in their setting, 02:05:27.770 --> 02:05:30.130 comma, perceiving and respecting boundaries. 02:05:30.130 --> 02:05:31.539 Well, I think we can do that now. 02:05:31.539 --> 02:05:32.372 But I just- No, 02:05:32.372 --> 02:05:33.440 I think you can- I was 02:05:33.440 --> 02:05:35.993 still working on words. So- I think we can. 02:05:35.993 --> 02:05:37.660 I think mrs. Perez 02:05:37.660 --> 02:05:39.140 has a good point about the- 02:05:39.140 --> 02:05:42.016 But, you can amend that now, 02:05:42.016 --> 02:05:44.640 with an insertion of that word, 02:05:44.640 --> 02:05:47.053 you just can't destroy the- Yeah. 02:05:47.053 --> 02:05:48.620 Gist of the amendment, right? 02:05:48.620 --> 02:05:49.680 Isn't that what the deal is? 02:05:49.680 --> 02:05:50.970 Okay. 02:05:50.970 --> 02:05:53.398 So, if you want to insert a word there- 02:05:53.398 --> 02:05:54.231 Yeah. 02:05:54.231 --> 02:05:56.700 That doesn't change the vote 02:05:56.700 --> 02:05:58.804 that we just took, you can do that. 02:05:58.804 --> 02:06:03.090 Yeah, I think Ms. Perez had a good point, 02:06:03.090 --> 02:06:04.670 about the perceiving. 02:06:04.670 --> 02:06:09.650 And so setting comma, perceiving, comma, and respecting. 02:06:09.650 --> 02:06:11.780 So you're going to need semi colons in there, 02:06:11.780 --> 02:06:13.883 to keep these things separate. 02:06:16.730 --> 02:06:19.040 Right, and that's appropriate 02:06:19.040 --> 02:06:20.525 parliamentary-wise isn't it Ms. Cruz? 02:06:20.525 --> 02:06:21.570 Yes. 02:06:21.570 --> 02:06:22.403 Okay. Yeah. 02:06:22.403 --> 02:06:24.990 And the difference is Ms. Perez-Diaz's 02:06:24.990 --> 02:06:29.990 motion really substituted the entire language for this one. 02:06:30.360 --> 02:06:34.616 This simply modifies the language we just agreed on I think. 02:06:34.616 --> 02:06:36.005 (indistinct)- For staff. 02:06:36.005 --> 02:06:38.613 Was there a second for Ms. Bahorich? 02:06:38.613 --> 02:06:39.446 Second. 02:06:39.446 --> 02:06:41.150 Okay, now Ms. Bahorich. 02:06:41.150 --> 02:06:43.640 Doing the breakout on that language. 02:06:43.640 --> 02:06:45.490 How does that work? 02:06:45.490 --> 02:06:48.180 Because that way I'm reading it. (laughing) 02:06:48.180 --> 02:06:53.170 So analyze factors, I'll skip the including alcohol 02:06:53.170 --> 02:06:55.100 that can affect decision-making. 02:06:55.100 --> 02:06:59.740 Okay, analyze factors that affect setting boundaries, 02:07:01.720 --> 02:07:06.600 affect factors that affect, perceiving boundary. 02:07:06.600 --> 02:07:07.854 Okay, so it reads- The problem ... 02:07:07.854 --> 02:07:08.687 It's a minor problem, 02:07:08.687 --> 02:07:11.804 but it's really more with increasing sexual risk. 02:07:11.804 --> 02:07:12.637 Oh! 02:07:12.637 --> 02:07:14.200 So, it's the analyzed factors 02:07:14.200 --> 02:07:17.990 that affect increasing sexual risk. 02:07:17.990 --> 02:07:20.436 Yeah, that's a hard breakout, yeah. 02:07:20.436 --> 02:07:24.377 So it could be that, increase- 02:07:27.265 --> 02:07:28.250 Oh, okay. 02:07:28.250 --> 02:07:30.110 Decision-making, setting, 02:07:30.110 --> 02:07:32.870 perceiving and respecting boundaries, 02:07:32.870 --> 02:07:34.453 and increase. 02:07:35.340 --> 02:07:37.630 Factors that increase sexual risk- 02:07:37.630 --> 02:07:38.947 Yeah. Is the way. 02:07:38.947 --> 02:07:40.508 Is that it shouldn't be- Yeah. 02:07:40.508 --> 02:07:41.390 Factors that increasing sexual risk. 02:07:41.390 --> 02:07:43.470 Does she just move it to the beginning. 02:07:43.470 --> 02:07:44.303 Is that too bad? Yeah, 02:07:44.303 --> 02:07:45.136 try to move it in the beginning. 02:07:45.136 --> 02:07:47.693 Okay. There we go. 02:07:47.693 --> 02:07:51.280 Okay, any objection to the rearrangement 02:07:51.280 --> 02:07:52.803 that you see on the screen? 02:07:53.900 --> 02:07:58.083 It will now read analyze factors that increase sexual risk. 02:07:59.430 --> 02:08:01.839 Any objection to that at this point? 02:08:01.839 --> 02:08:03.363 Why (indistinct). 02:08:03.363 --> 02:08:04.360 No, Kay, 02:08:04.360 --> 02:08:07.073 that increased sexual risk has to come after substances. 02:08:08.130 --> 02:08:09.757 Oh, okay. 02:08:09.757 --> 02:08:10.907 Oh, okay. 02:08:11.949 --> 02:08:13.581 Well, 02:08:13.581 --> 02:08:15.840 staff is working on that vice chair. 02:08:15.840 --> 02:08:18.370 May I have parliamentary inquiry? 02:08:18.370 --> 02:08:22.970 And what point will I be able to reintroduce my language? 02:08:22.970 --> 02:08:26.023 Just so that we can talk through it, or reconsider? 02:08:27.030 --> 02:08:32.030 Well, if your language doesn't substitute, 02:08:32.460 --> 02:08:37.270 isn't they substitute for the entire amendment. 02:08:37.270 --> 02:08:41.500 Then we can talk about it here in just a moment. 02:08:41.500 --> 02:08:46.500 But if it simply inserts a word here or there, 02:08:47.760 --> 02:08:51.245 that doesn't change the entire meaning of the amendment, 02:08:51.245 --> 02:08:52.078 then we can do it in a minute. 02:08:52.078 --> 02:08:55.010 But if it does, then we're not able to do that, 02:08:55.010 --> 02:08:57.560 because that wouldn't negate the vote we just took. 02:08:58.607 --> 02:09:00.835 So- Did 02:09:00.835 --> 02:09:01.668 I makes sense? 02:09:01.668 --> 02:09:02.658 Sort of. 02:09:02.658 --> 02:09:06.803 So, I wasn't necessarily changing the language. 02:09:07.710 --> 02:09:12.410 I was essentially, I was adding words in, 02:09:12.410 --> 02:09:16.472 but, I think what their readjustment of all of this language 02:09:16.472 --> 02:09:20.323 in essence would look like a completely different- 02:09:20.323 --> 02:09:21.730 Sexual risk. set 02:09:21.730 --> 02:09:22.623 of language. 02:09:24.200 --> 02:09:25.680 So I was just trying to figure out it. 02:09:25.680 --> 02:09:27.693 That's why I attempted to do it earlier, 02:09:29.411 --> 02:09:31.710 because I wanted at the very least the language 02:09:31.710 --> 02:09:33.910 to be considered and looked at. 02:09:33.910 --> 02:09:36.787 So I just didn't know how to get to that. 02:09:36.787 --> 02:09:37.620 (sighs) 02:09:37.620 --> 02:09:38.453 Okay. 02:09:38.453 --> 02:09:43.453 Well, where we are right now is this is before us. 02:09:43.620 --> 02:09:48.620 If we defeat this proposal, this motion, 02:09:49.250 --> 02:09:52.983 then your motion is an order. 02:09:53.830 --> 02:09:55.540 You follow me, if we defeated. 02:09:55.540 --> 02:09:57.558 If this passes, 02:09:57.558 --> 02:10:01.240 then your motion might not be an order 02:10:01.240 --> 02:10:03.210 because it depends upon the extent 02:10:03.210 --> 02:10:05.243 to which it changes the original vote. 02:10:07.900 --> 02:10:11.430 Ms. Cruz, you want to explain that any better than me? 02:10:11.430 --> 02:10:13.010 I don't know that it's any better, 02:10:13.010 --> 02:10:15.460 but I will use different words, how about that? (laughs) 02:10:15.460 --> 02:10:16.793 That's great. 02:10:18.170 --> 02:10:21.265 The basic parliamentary theory is 02:10:21.265 --> 02:10:24.630 that you can only ask a body to make a decision once. 02:10:24.630 --> 02:10:27.310 And so, after they have made the decision 02:10:27.310 --> 02:10:32.310 that this is language that they wish to include or exclude, 02:10:33.110 --> 02:10:36.370 then asking them to make the same decision 02:10:36.370 --> 02:10:41.230 about the same words, is not in order. 02:10:41.230 --> 02:10:46.230 So without knowing precisely what the amendment is, 02:10:46.890 --> 02:10:50.500 and how it differs from where we are here, 02:10:50.500 --> 02:10:54.940 I would not be yet able to provide advice to the chair, 02:10:54.940 --> 02:10:56.763 for the chair to make a ruling. 02:10:57.821 --> 02:11:00.340 I guess, so where I'm confused. 02:11:00.340 --> 02:11:03.340 So that's why I attempted to make the change earlier, 02:11:03.340 --> 02:11:05.913 but then was told that it wasn't an order. 02:11:07.123 --> 02:11:10.710 So, there's that point, 02:11:10.710 --> 02:11:13.150 but then we subsequently took a vote, 02:11:13.150 --> 02:11:14.840 and now we're changing the language. 02:11:14.840 --> 02:11:16.150 So, I don't see how that differs 02:11:16.150 --> 02:11:18.357 from what I'm trying to accomplish. 02:11:18.357 --> 02:11:20.562 And I'm just trying to wrap my head around it. 02:11:20.562 --> 02:11:22.484 Cause it doesn't ... It's still not making any sense to me. 02:11:22.484 --> 02:11:23.317 Well, 02:11:23.317 --> 02:11:24.560 because we're essentially staying 02:11:24.560 --> 02:11:27.050 with the same decision that was made. 02:11:27.050 --> 02:11:29.290 And we're inserting perceiving, 02:11:29.290 --> 02:11:31.180 that what's currently before us, 02:11:31.180 --> 02:11:33.320 is inserting the word perceiving, 02:11:33.320 --> 02:11:36.000 not rewriting it, not deleting anything else. 02:11:36.000 --> 02:11:38.800 It's just insert the word perceiving. 02:11:38.800 --> 02:11:39.633 Okay. 02:11:39.633 --> 02:11:41.610 So, that takes care of the latter half of my question then. 02:11:41.610 --> 02:11:44.520 So, then why was it out of order 02:11:44.520 --> 02:11:46.363 for the first time I attempted. 02:11:48.490 --> 02:11:49.970 It was too much of it. 02:11:49.970 --> 02:11:52.660 Yeah, it was a more extensive change, 02:11:52.660 --> 02:11:56.739 to the entire meaning of the amendment. 02:11:56.739 --> 02:11:57.572 Okay. 02:11:57.572 --> 02:11:58.405 So that essentially you couldn't 02:11:58.405 --> 02:12:01.300 amend Mr. Mercer's amendment, 02:12:01.300 --> 02:12:04.860 by that simply negated what he was trying to accomplish, 02:12:04.860 --> 02:12:07.950 or changed it to a dramatic extent. 02:12:07.950 --> 02:12:08.883 I got it. 02:12:08.883 --> 02:12:11.540 Does that- Or change words 02:12:11.540 --> 02:12:13.870 by adding, or subtracting them 02:12:13.870 --> 02:12:16.510 that were not involved in the original motion. 02:12:16.510 --> 02:12:19.102 That's where we got the problem, right? 02:12:19.102 --> 02:12:19.935 Yeah. Okay. 02:12:19.935 --> 02:12:20.768 An amendment. 02:12:20.768 --> 02:12:22.210 Think about your 10th grade English teacher, 02:12:22.210 --> 02:12:24.870 think about my 10th grade English teacher, 02:12:24.870 --> 02:12:27.260 who bought red pins by the case, 02:12:27.260 --> 02:12:29.690 and struck out specific words. 02:12:29.690 --> 02:12:34.050 Secondary amendments can only impact the language 02:12:34.050 --> 02:12:36.760 that you've already touched with the red pin. 02:12:36.760 --> 02:12:37.878 Got it. 02:12:37.878 --> 02:12:42.655 So, essentially I had to be 10 to the punch to get hurt. 02:12:42.655 --> 02:12:43.643 (laughing) 02:12:43.643 --> 02:12:44.620 Yes. Yes ma'am, 02:12:44.620 --> 02:12:46.310 that would have been- That's 02:12:46.310 --> 02:12:47.580 a good conclusion. 02:12:47.580 --> 02:12:49.334 That's exactly right. 02:12:49.334 --> 02:12:50.968 I'm all right. 02:12:50.968 --> 02:12:51.963 Yeah. There's 02:12:51.963 --> 02:12:52.796 always second reading. 02:12:52.796 --> 02:12:53.629 Okay, that's a good point. 02:12:53.629 --> 02:12:55.020 Okay, so let's move on, right. 02:12:55.020 --> 02:12:56.410 So right now, 02:12:56.410 --> 02:13:00.433 is there any objection to moving that increased sexual risk? 02:13:02.070 --> 02:13:03.533 Any objection to that? 02:13:04.700 --> 02:13:05.533 Okay. 02:13:05.533 --> 02:13:07.200 Hearing none that's done. 02:13:07.200 --> 02:13:09.860 Now is the motion before us is 02:13:09.860 --> 02:13:11.903 inserting the word perceiving, 02:13:12.920 --> 02:13:16.300 where you see it there after setting, 02:13:16.300 --> 02:13:17.573 decision-making setting. 02:13:18.740 --> 02:13:20.227 And so, that motion has been made, 02:13:20.227 --> 02:13:21.780 and I think there was a second. 02:13:21.780 --> 02:13:23.935 That was Ms. Bahorich's motion. 02:13:23.935 --> 02:13:26.294 Is there a second to that? Just to make sure. 02:13:26.294 --> 02:13:27.502 It's all right, it's been seconded. 02:13:27.502 --> 02:13:28.335 It's been seconded, okay. 02:13:28.335 --> 02:13:31.603 So, any discussion about inserting perceiving? 02:13:33.350 --> 02:13:34.793 Ms. Perez. 02:13:36.648 --> 02:13:39.815 To the maker of the insert perceiving, 02:13:39.815 --> 02:13:43.240 I don't know what this does, 02:13:43.240 --> 02:13:45.513 to get closer to what I'm asking. 02:13:47.864 --> 02:13:50.840 It only gets closer. 02:13:50.840 --> 02:13:53.600 I think it's kind of an interim step, 02:13:53.600 --> 02:13:55.780 to what is key's going to recommend, 02:13:55.780 --> 02:13:57.730 has he already said for J. 02:13:57.730 --> 02:14:00.260 What Mr. Mercer's going to recommend for J, 02:14:00.260 --> 02:14:03.210 because J has strong language about, 02:14:03.210 --> 02:14:05.963 it is wrong to violate another person's boundaries. 02:14:10.727 --> 02:14:13.200 Yes, Mr. Cortez. 02:14:13.200 --> 02:14:14.073 So, 02:14:16.780 --> 02:14:21.220 just to go back to all the discussion, 02:14:21.220 --> 02:14:23.053 we're having on this item here. 02:14:24.160 --> 02:14:27.450 Is there any parliamentary procedure, 02:14:27.450 --> 02:14:29.360 that allows us to suspend rules 02:14:29.360 --> 02:14:31.030 in the after the fact, 02:14:31.030 --> 02:14:32.580 so that Marisa can accomplish 02:14:32.580 --> 02:14:34.523 what she's trying to accomplish? 02:14:35.630 --> 02:14:36.960 I'm not sure that that was asked, 02:14:36.960 --> 02:14:40.350 because it was stated that we can't get there from here, 02:14:40.350 --> 02:14:44.120 but does that not mean that this body can suspend the rule 02:14:44.120 --> 02:14:45.400 as we've done in the past, 02:14:45.400 --> 02:14:47.250 so that she can get where she'd like to get? 02:14:47.250 --> 02:14:48.916 Well, at first- Or attempt 02:14:48.916 --> 02:14:50.250 to get to where she'd like to get. 02:14:50.250 --> 02:14:52.230 First, if there's no objection, 02:14:52.230 --> 02:14:53.300 we can do that. 02:14:53.300 --> 02:14:54.602 Okay. 02:14:54.602 --> 02:14:55.940 Beyond that suspending the rules 02:14:55.940 --> 02:14:57.410 of parliamentary procedure, 02:14:57.410 --> 02:14:59.408 does that take a two thirds vote, or something? 02:14:59.408 --> 02:15:00.241 It does. 02:15:00.241 --> 02:15:01.480 Okay, then it would take a two thirds vote, 02:15:01.480 --> 02:15:03.430 to suspend the parliamentary procedure. 02:15:03.430 --> 02:15:05.810 But let's go ahead and vote on this, 02:15:05.810 --> 02:15:08.489 which is actually where we are right now. 02:15:08.489 --> 02:15:09.322 Yeah. 02:15:09.322 --> 02:15:11.380 All in favor of inserting, perceiving, 02:15:11.380 --> 02:15:13.710 signify by raising your hand, please. 02:15:17.986 --> 02:15:19.512 Can you raise your hand higher. 02:15:19.512 --> 02:15:20.345 Thank you. 02:15:21.550 --> 02:15:22.797 10. 02:15:22.797 --> 02:15:25.110 Seven, eight, nine, 10. 02:15:25.110 --> 02:15:26.350 Aha. 02:15:26.350 --> 02:15:27.963 All opposed, same sign. 02:15:28.900 --> 02:15:29.733 Two. 02:15:31.080 --> 02:15:31.913 10 to two. 02:15:31.913 --> 02:15:33.520 Okay, so the motion passes 10 to two, 02:15:33.520 --> 02:15:35.588 so now perceiving ... 02:15:35.588 --> 02:15:39.783 Now the amendment as you see it right here. 02:15:40.980 --> 02:15:41.813 Okay. 02:15:41.813 --> 02:15:45.840 So, if it was a members pleasure 02:15:45.840 --> 02:15:49.250 to suspend the rules of parliamentary procedure, 02:15:49.250 --> 02:15:50.170 to allow Ms.- 02:15:50.170 --> 02:15:51.531 Can you have in a minute- 02:15:51.531 --> 02:15:52.364 Perez-Diaz (indistinct)- 02:15:52.364 --> 02:15:55.050 Member Allen, cut in for a second here. 02:15:56.450 --> 02:15:59.106 I'm gonna need us to take a brief recess. 02:15:59.106 --> 02:16:01.473 Lenny is in the corner there. 02:16:02.690 --> 02:16:06.350 The hotel is advised that some members still have 02:16:06.350 --> 02:16:08.400 their luggage in the room. 02:16:08.400 --> 02:16:09.893 It's past checkout time. 02:16:10.890 --> 02:16:15.740 There is availability to stay this evening to the room, 02:16:15.740 --> 02:16:19.160 but Lenny needs to know who wants the hotel to extent. 02:16:19.160 --> 02:16:22.250 So, if you need your room extended this evening, 02:16:22.250 --> 02:16:24.070 let's take a minute or two, 02:16:24.070 --> 02:16:25.900 Lenny needs to know this right now. 02:16:25.900 --> 02:16:28.960 So, please just step over to Ms. Lenny 02:16:28.960 --> 02:16:31.470 and let her know your room needs to be extended- 02:16:31.470 --> 02:16:32.613 I think (indistinct). 02:16:32.613 --> 02:16:34.505 Okay. And then when we come back, 02:16:34.505 --> 02:16:37.627 if Mr. Cortez wants to move to suspend the rule- 02:16:37.627 --> 02:16:39.515 Can I have one second. 02:16:39.515 --> 02:16:40.536 It's hard to (indistinct). 02:16:40.536 --> 02:16:42.286 Yes. 02:30:36.532 --> 02:30:37.423 The hand. 02:30:37.423 --> 02:30:38.807 (indistinct) even share the app. 02:30:38.807 --> 02:30:41.506 Not that I dint hold the (indistinct). 02:30:41.506 --> 02:30:44.131 Share that (indistinct). (laughs) 02:30:44.131 --> 02:30:45.810 Yeah. (laughing) 02:30:45.810 --> 02:30:48.363 Okay, we ready to come back to order. 02:30:49.741 --> 02:30:54.150 We're missing three members. 02:30:54.150 --> 02:30:54.983 Yeah. 02:30:54.983 --> 02:30:56.100 Four members. 02:30:56.100 --> 02:30:57.630 And we're about to take a two thirds, 02:30:57.630 --> 02:30:59.430 may be two thirds vote on something. 02:31:00.354 --> 02:31:02.400 (indistinct) about (indistinct). 02:31:02.400 --> 02:31:05.405 Oh, no, I think they just had to let it be known. 02:31:05.405 --> 02:31:07.850 Mr. Brama, you were going ... 02:31:07.850 --> 02:31:09.420 Mr. Maynard over here. 02:31:09.420 --> 02:31:11.390 You were gonna say something. 02:31:12.323 --> 02:31:14.382 (laughing) 02:31:14.382 --> 02:31:15.790 I just thought I would (indistinct) 02:31:15.790 --> 02:31:17.443 you were relaxed in there. 02:31:18.282 --> 02:31:21.790 Well, we have a quorum, 02:31:21.790 --> 02:31:25.003 so I guess we need to go ahead and reconvene. 02:31:26.870 --> 02:31:28.080 Some of us have flights, 02:31:28.080 --> 02:31:29.050 and different things going on. 02:31:29.050 --> 02:31:32.083 Okay, so we're back in session. 02:31:33.124 --> 02:31:37.960 At last discussion, there was a question about 02:31:37.960 --> 02:31:40.610 whether or not we would suspend the rules 02:31:40.610 --> 02:31:43.230 to entertain another amendment, 02:31:43.230 --> 02:31:46.760 or that could be done at second reading 02:31:46.760 --> 02:31:50.640 with a lot less turmoil, 02:31:50.640 --> 02:31:54.900 but it's up to any members that wants to be done. 02:31:54.900 --> 02:31:57.200 Yes, Mr. Chair, I would like to 02:31:58.380 --> 02:31:59.920 take a vote on suspending the rules 02:31:59.920 --> 02:32:02.580 to allow the member to offer a promotion. 02:32:02.580 --> 02:32:03.720 I know she's just out in the hall, 02:32:03.720 --> 02:32:05.860 she'll be here in a second. 02:32:05.860 --> 02:32:07.320 Oh, see. 02:32:07.320 --> 02:32:08.845 Its like she heard us talking about it. 02:32:08.845 --> 02:32:09.678 All right. 02:32:09.678 --> 02:32:11.830 Is there a second to suspending the rules, 02:32:11.830 --> 02:32:15.040 to take up what would essentially 02:32:15.040 --> 02:32:18.130 be a replacement amendment, 02:32:18.130 --> 02:32:19.517 to the one we just voted on? 02:32:19.517 --> 02:32:20.380 Is there a second? 02:32:20.380 --> 02:32:21.240 Second. 02:32:21.240 --> 02:32:23.167 Okay, a motion has been made and second, 02:32:23.167 --> 02:32:25.410 and it's not debatable, 02:32:25.410 --> 02:32:27.350 and it requires a two thirds vote. 02:32:27.350 --> 02:32:28.640 So, we shall proceed. 02:32:28.640 --> 02:32:32.490 If you vote yes, you're in favor of suspending the rules, 02:32:32.490 --> 02:32:35.840 to allow an amendment to be entertained. 02:32:35.840 --> 02:32:39.540 That would essentially replace that amendment. 02:32:39.540 --> 02:32:41.690 All in favor, signify by raising your hand. 02:32:45.572 --> 02:32:46.989 Two, three, four. 02:32:48.040 --> 02:32:49.763 All opposed same sign. 02:32:50.753 --> 02:32:51.586 One, two, three- 02:32:51.586 --> 02:32:53.300 Raise your hand- Four, five, six, 02:32:53.300 --> 02:32:55.590 seven, eight. 02:32:55.590 --> 02:32:58.310 Eight to four, so the motion fails. 02:32:58.310 --> 02:32:59.920 The rules are not suspended, 02:32:59.920 --> 02:33:02.710 and we'll move forward to the next amendment. 02:33:02.710 --> 02:33:03.890 Do we need to vote on, I first, 02:33:03.890 --> 02:33:04.905 do we move forward? 02:33:04.905 --> 02:33:05.738 Is there already? 02:33:05.738 --> 02:33:06.571 No, we already voted on it. 02:33:06.571 --> 02:33:08.240 That was the deal. 02:33:08.240 --> 02:33:09.473 Ms. Perez-Diaz. 02:33:12.490 --> 02:33:14.640 Thank you, I do have ... 02:33:19.322 --> 02:33:20.905 So, I'm gonna move, 02:33:22.780 --> 02:33:26.483 or I'm going to recommend adding a 21K. 02:33:30.789 --> 02:33:32.110 21K? 02:33:32.110 --> 02:33:32.943 Hmm. 02:33:32.943 --> 02:33:34.526 Okay. 02:33:35.369 --> 02:33:36.520 And forgive me, 02:33:36.520 --> 02:33:41.230 I sent this language to you all, probably Tuesday. 02:33:41.230 --> 02:33:42.750 You should have it in your boxes somewhere. 02:33:42.750 --> 02:33:44.960 So I had sent it, 02:33:44.960 --> 02:33:49.747 but the language I'm proposing reads, 02:33:49.747 --> 02:33:52.843 "Define consent as a concept, 02:33:56.810 --> 02:34:01.317 that encompasses clear comma, voluntary refusal, 02:34:10.470 --> 02:34:14.377 or agreement to participate in each physical acts, 02:34:22.020 --> 02:34:23.607 between individuals." 02:34:30.320 --> 02:34:32.010 Okay, would look at the screen. 02:34:32.010 --> 02:34:34.323 And is it read as you intend for it to? 02:34:35.423 --> 02:34:37.190 Mr. Chair. 02:34:37.190 --> 02:34:38.640 No, one second. 02:34:40.206 --> 02:34:43.380 (mumbles). 02:34:43.380 --> 02:34:45.460 Refusal or agreement? 02:34:45.460 --> 02:34:46.293 Yes. 02:34:46.293 --> 02:34:47.903 Okay, is there a second? 02:34:50.680 --> 02:34:51.930 If someone's seconds 02:34:51.930 --> 02:34:53.450 I can speak to my motion. 02:34:53.450 --> 02:34:54.963 Is there a second? 02:34:59.910 --> 02:35:00.913 Hearing none. 02:35:03.260 --> 02:35:06.913 The motion fails for lack of a second. 02:35:08.610 --> 02:35:09.860 Okay, Mr. Mercer. 02:35:09.860 --> 02:35:12.643 I was gonna ask if we would go back to J, 02:35:12.643 --> 02:35:14.843 so we're back on J now? 02:35:15.920 --> 02:35:17.120 Yes. 02:35:17.120 --> 02:35:19.279 Members have mentioned J, 02:35:19.279 --> 02:35:22.340 but I wanted to address the concerns of Ms. Perez. 02:35:22.340 --> 02:35:26.070 But J right now would read, "Examine and discuss," 02:35:29.490 --> 02:35:31.170 and we can delete the period and external, 02:35:31.170 --> 02:35:33.137 but, "Examine and discuss, 02:35:33.137 --> 02:35:36.397 "influences and pressures to become sexually active." 02:35:38.350 --> 02:35:39.757 And this is the key emphasis, 02:35:39.757 --> 02:35:44.340 "And why it is wrong to violate another person's boundaries, 02:35:44.340 --> 02:35:46.630 and manipulate or threatened someone else 02:35:46.630 --> 02:35:48.227 into sexual activity." 02:35:49.603 --> 02:35:52.410 Now, those are the words now that repeated. 02:35:52.410 --> 02:35:54.241 Well, I'm sorry, I need a second. 02:35:54.241 --> 02:35:55.540 Second. 02:35:55.540 --> 02:35:58.580 Examine, discuss influences and pressures 02:35:58.580 --> 02:36:00.820 to become sexually active, 02:36:00.820 --> 02:36:04.650 and why it is wrong to violate another person's boundaries, 02:36:04.650 --> 02:36:06.680 and manipulate or threaten someone else 02:36:06.680 --> 02:36:10.293 into sexual activity, and or to manipulate. 02:36:12.130 --> 02:36:14.897 I had and, manipulated that'd be incorrect, should it be to. 02:36:14.897 --> 02:36:17.310 Not well, it had to up there as well. 02:36:17.310 --> 02:36:18.143 There's (indistinct)- 02:36:18.143 --> 02:36:19.410 Officer and manipulate. 02:36:19.410 --> 02:36:20.720 I had been working on older version. 02:36:20.720 --> 02:36:21.553 Okay. 02:36:21.553 --> 02:36:22.923 So, I repeat it again, is that... 02:36:22.923 --> 02:36:23.870 Just to make sure, 02:36:23.870 --> 02:36:27.160 examine and discuss influences and pressures 02:36:27.160 --> 02:36:29.393 to become sex sexually active, 02:36:30.890 --> 02:36:34.180 and why is wrong to violate another person's boundaries, 02:36:34.180 --> 02:36:36.180 and manipulate or threatened someone else 02:36:36.180 --> 02:36:37.520 into sexual activities. 02:36:37.520 --> 02:36:38.620 Okay. 02:36:38.620 --> 02:36:40.670 And there was a second to that. 02:36:40.670 --> 02:36:41.980 And members I'm just trying to, 02:36:41.980 --> 02:36:43.947 there may be some modification, which is fine. 02:36:43.947 --> 02:36:45.750 I'm just trying to answer the concerns here, 02:36:45.750 --> 02:36:49.150 but make it very clear that you have rights, 02:36:49.150 --> 02:36:51.480 and the old, it wasn't my fault. 02:36:51.480 --> 02:36:55.200 It was the alcohol that doesn't pass, it's wrong. 02:36:55.200 --> 02:36:58.500 Okay, any further discussion Ms. Bahorich. 02:36:58.500 --> 02:36:59.610 I might suggest, 02:36:59.610 --> 02:37:01.560 and our word-smith is Ms. Shelley. 02:37:01.560 --> 02:37:03.570 So maybe this is the wrong suggestion, 02:37:03.570 --> 02:37:06.487 or threatened and individual, 02:37:06.487 --> 02:37:08.568 instead of someone else. 02:37:08.568 --> 02:37:13.540 Do you think, or should we leave it as someone else? 02:37:13.540 --> 02:37:15.339 (indistinct). 02:37:15.339 --> 02:37:16.477 Yeah, I'm saying, 02:37:16.477 --> 02:37:18.088 to threaten an individual or- Threaten 02:37:18.088 --> 02:37:18.921 an individual. 02:37:18.921 --> 02:37:20.090 I think someone is fine, 02:37:20.090 --> 02:37:22.190 I would just strike the word else. 02:37:22.190 --> 02:37:23.370 Okay, it was wordy 02:37:23.370 --> 02:37:24.640 and I wasn't trying to fit, yeah. 02:37:24.640 --> 02:37:26.940 I was trying to figure out what, so let's get rid of else. 02:37:26.940 --> 02:37:29.490 Okay, any objection to striking else? 02:37:30.680 --> 02:37:33.003 Okay, hearing none, it passes. 02:37:34.040 --> 02:37:36.430 All right, so there's the language there. 02:37:36.430 --> 02:37:40.170 Any further discussion on this is J, in it 02:37:41.710 --> 02:37:42.543 J? 02:37:45.550 --> 02:37:47.350 Yes sir t's J. 02:37:47.350 --> 02:37:49.793 Any objection to J as proposed? 02:37:52.380 --> 02:37:53.930 Okay, hearing none the motion passes. 02:37:53.930 --> 02:37:54.873 Be (indistinct) me. 02:37:56.450 --> 02:37:57.283 Thank you. 02:37:57.283 --> 02:37:58.148 I'm sorry. 02:37:58.148 --> 02:37:58.981 Thank you. 02:37:58.981 --> 02:38:00.260 (laughing) 02:38:00.260 --> 02:38:01.093 Okay. 02:38:01.093 --> 02:38:02.550 Okay, Ms. Bahorich or Mr. Mercer. 02:38:02.550 --> 02:38:05.088 Yeah, 22A- 02:38:05.088 --> 02:38:06.350 Over (indistinct) far? 02:38:06.350 --> 02:38:07.790 I'm getting rid of administration 02:38:07.790 --> 02:38:09.350 for the fifth time. 02:38:09.350 --> 02:38:11.600 (laughing) 02:38:13.470 --> 02:38:16.689 We're only going to do three years administration. 02:38:16.689 --> 02:38:17.667 Only three? 02:38:17.667 --> 02:38:19.067 Only three. 02:38:20.480 --> 02:38:21.850 No comment on that, let's just move. (giggles) 02:38:21.850 --> 02:38:24.610 Okay, 22D would be 02:38:24.610 --> 02:38:28.900 the insertion of STDs with STIs in 22D. 02:38:28.900 --> 02:38:29.960 We've already done that, right? 02:38:29.960 --> 02:38:30.793 Or is that? Oh no, 02:38:30.793 --> 02:38:32.900 I think we were doing one by one, weren't we? 02:38:32.900 --> 02:38:35.308 Right, did we take a vote on any of that? 02:38:35.308 --> 02:38:37.230 No, we didn't. 02:38:37.230 --> 02:38:38.063 We didn't? 02:38:38.063 --> 02:38:38.940 You didn't vote on A. 02:38:38.940 --> 02:38:40.800 You did not vote on striking- 02:38:40.800 --> 02:38:41.810 Oh, okay A, 02:38:41.810 --> 02:38:43.440 but I was sung at the STD thing. 02:38:43.440 --> 02:38:44.610 Okay, so, all right. 02:38:44.610 --> 02:38:48.373 So any objection to striking A? 02:38:51.813 --> 02:38:52.646 (murmuring) 02:38:52.646 --> 02:38:54.210 Hearing none motion passes. (giggles) 02:38:54.210 --> 02:38:55.540 That's right. 02:38:55.540 --> 02:38:57.970 Actually, I thought we had already done it sometime before, 02:38:57.970 --> 02:38:59.750 but that's okay. 02:38:59.750 --> 02:39:00.583 All right. 02:39:00.583 --> 02:39:04.010 So, then D is adding STDs and- 02:39:04.010 --> 02:39:04.973 Correct. Right 02:39:04.973 --> 02:39:05.806 before SDIs? 02:39:06.950 --> 02:39:09.420 But we have not done that universally was my question. 02:39:09.420 --> 02:39:11.370 No. Okay. 02:39:12.390 --> 02:39:14.510 We talked about it, but it's really, 02:39:14.510 --> 02:39:17.130 it changes from one standard to another where we input it. 02:39:17.130 --> 02:39:19.380 Okay, so any objection to that? 02:39:20.430 --> 02:39:22.030 Hearing none, the motion passes. 02:39:23.550 --> 02:39:24.710 Okay. 02:39:24.710 --> 02:39:29.710 And suggesting on F, 02:39:32.310 --> 02:39:34.780 I don't have an amendment. 02:39:34.780 --> 02:39:35.613 Okay. 02:39:35.613 --> 02:39:36.446 No amendment. 02:39:36.446 --> 02:39:38.349 All right, what's next? 02:39:38.349 --> 02:39:41.260 (clears throat) 02:39:41.260 --> 02:39:45.250 G, and this would align, 02:39:45.250 --> 02:39:48.233 with what we did in seventh and eighth last night. 02:39:49.690 --> 02:39:53.253 Analyze the importance of telling a parent or trusted adult, 02:39:55.330 --> 02:39:58.540 a comma, obtaining early pregnancy, 02:39:58.540 --> 02:40:01.313 testing, instead of tests, 02:40:05.930 --> 02:40:08.070 comma, and seeking parental care. 02:40:09.395 --> 02:40:10.228 Prenatal. 02:40:10.228 --> 02:40:11.810 I mean, parental, Oh boy. (laughs) 02:40:11.810 --> 02:40:13.250 Prenatal care. Parental care. 02:40:13.250 --> 02:40:15.240 If signs of pregnancy occur, 02:40:15.240 --> 02:40:17.380 it would be added at the end. 02:40:17.380 --> 02:40:18.213 I think we shouldn't 02:40:18.213 --> 02:40:19.650 overlook parental care either. 02:40:19.650 --> 02:40:20.483 That's important. 02:40:20.483 --> 02:40:22.350 Second. All right. 02:40:22.350 --> 02:40:24.723 Yeah, signs of pregnancy occurred. 02:40:26.595 --> 02:40:27.428 Okay. 02:40:27.428 --> 02:40:28.261 All right, everybody see the language then. 02:40:28.261 --> 02:40:29.633 And there was a second. 02:40:30.490 --> 02:40:31.743 Any discussion? 02:40:36.290 --> 02:40:37.123 Any objection? 02:40:39.840 --> 02:40:42.270 Hearing none, the motion passes. 02:40:42.270 --> 02:40:45.650 For 22H I'm suggesting we strike it. 02:40:45.650 --> 02:40:48.803 Cause we just did it in seventh, eighth, 02:40:50.320 --> 02:40:52.183 and, yes. 02:40:53.446 --> 02:40:54.778 Okay. 02:40:54.778 --> 02:40:55.810 (indistinct) second. 02:40:55.810 --> 02:40:56.643 All right. 02:40:56.643 --> 02:40:57.500 Been made and second, 02:40:57.500 --> 02:41:01.790 motion moved and seconded that we strike H, 02:41:01.790 --> 02:41:03.610 which is, describe pregnancy related 02:41:03.610 --> 02:41:04.960 in postpartum mood disorders, 02:41:04.960 --> 02:41:08.083 the prevalent and ways to seek help and support. 02:41:09.690 --> 02:41:10.540 Any discussion? 02:41:10.540 --> 02:41:11.970 Yes, Ms. Perez-Diaz. 02:41:11.970 --> 02:41:13.210 So I was trying to eaise my hand, 02:41:13.210 --> 02:41:17.040 and I want another member versus situation, 02:41:17.040 --> 02:41:21.980 but I actually was gonna propose some change to the language 02:41:21.980 --> 02:41:25.390 because I do think that it's still really important. 02:41:25.390 --> 02:41:28.800 And then in your emails, 02:41:28.800 --> 02:41:30.450 Stephany, I'm already sensitive. 02:41:30.450 --> 02:41:32.150 If not, it should be getting to you soon, 02:41:32.150 --> 02:41:35.240 but the health and human services 02:41:35.240 --> 02:41:39.653 just last week conducted or put up the strategic plan, 02:41:40.630 --> 02:41:43.800 which was centered around postpartum depression. 02:41:43.800 --> 02:41:49.940 And it really focused a lot on public education, 02:41:49.940 --> 02:41:52.220 or the education of the public, I should say. 02:41:52.220 --> 02:41:54.913 On postpartum depression. 02:41:54.913 --> 02:41:56.450 And so, I think 02:41:56.450 --> 02:41:59.110 it's really important for us to align to other agencies, 02:41:59.110 --> 02:42:01.510 in the state that are doing this work. 02:42:01.510 --> 02:42:04.380 I don't think two mentions of it, is harmful, 02:42:04.380 --> 02:42:06.970 especially when we talk about ministration for years. 02:42:06.970 --> 02:42:11.590 So, if I don't know if it's an order right now, 02:42:11.590 --> 02:42:13.230 but I'd like to- Recommend. 02:42:13.230 --> 02:42:14.240 Yeah. (laughs) 02:42:14.240 --> 02:42:15.670 I'd like to recommend, huh? 02:42:15.670 --> 02:42:17.280 If (indistinct) the strick. 02:42:18.399 --> 02:42:20.561 But would that then not allow me? 02:42:20.561 --> 02:42:21.719 Yeah, it's. 02:42:21.719 --> 02:42:24.980 (indistinct) you could ask (indistinct). 02:42:24.980 --> 02:42:26.330 Okay, okay. 02:42:26.330 --> 02:42:27.163 And that's correct, okay- 02:42:27.163 --> 02:42:30.491 Yeah, you could propose a new one. 02:42:30.491 --> 02:42:31.324 Okay. 02:42:31.324 --> 02:42:33.290 Yeah, cause we're only striking this one. 02:42:33.290 --> 02:42:34.123 Okay. 02:42:34.123 --> 02:42:35.460 You couldn't propose an identical one- 02:42:35.460 --> 02:42:36.293 Right. Okay. 02:42:36.293 --> 02:42:37.126 But you could propose a different one. 02:42:37.126 --> 02:42:38.440 Okay, got it, okay. 02:42:38.440 --> 02:42:39.610 Okay. 02:42:39.610 --> 02:42:44.455 So in that case, any objection to striking H? 02:42:44.455 --> 02:42:47.870 (indistinct). 02:42:47.870 --> 02:42:48.870 No, she's not objecting. 02:42:48.870 --> 02:42:50.750 She's okay with it being stricken 02:42:50.750 --> 02:42:53.513 and then she's going to propose a new language, right? 02:42:55.740 --> 02:42:56.573 I guess, 02:42:56.573 --> 02:42:57.800 for the sake of saving any language, 02:42:57.800 --> 02:43:01.005 I'll object to striking the language (giggles) 02:43:01.005 --> 02:43:02.256 Then we have to vote. 02:43:02.256 --> 02:43:04.004 Yeah, and then we'd have to vote. 02:43:04.004 --> 02:43:05.650 (indistinct)- Yeah. 02:43:05.650 --> 02:43:06.950 Okay. 02:43:06.950 --> 02:43:09.290 All right, all in favor of strike ... 02:43:09.290 --> 02:43:11.530 Any further discussion? 02:43:11.530 --> 02:43:13.760 All in favor of striking H, 02:43:13.760 --> 02:43:15.933 signified by raising your hand please. 02:43:18.281 --> 02:43:20.870 One- Striking H. 02:43:20.870 --> 02:43:24.950 Three, four, five, seven- 02:43:24.950 --> 02:43:27.100 And just so everyone understands, 02:43:27.100 --> 02:43:28.993 even if we strike H, 02:43:30.090 --> 02:43:33.003 then I think we can still entertain Ms. Perez-Diaz's, 02:43:34.420 --> 02:43:35.760 language. 02:43:35.760 --> 02:43:38.260 So it's okay to vote yes on this one, (laughs) 02:43:38.260 --> 02:43:40.240 and then substitute Ms. Perez-Diaz, 02:43:40.240 --> 02:43:41.073 but that's okay. 02:43:41.073 --> 02:43:42.470 All right, so let's take the vote, 02:43:42.470 --> 02:43:45.260 all in favor of striking it, raise your hand. 02:43:45.260 --> 02:43:46.093 Here we go. 02:43:46.093 --> 02:43:48.143 One, two, three, four, five. 02:43:49.141 --> 02:43:49.974 Nine. 02:43:49.974 --> 02:43:51.420 Okay, all opposed? 02:43:52.838 --> 02:43:54.130 Two opposed. 02:43:54.130 --> 02:43:55.877 Okay, I'm not sure why you'll oppose that, 02:43:55.877 --> 02:43:56.710 but okay. 02:43:56.710 --> 02:43:58.640 So the motion passes (giggles) 02:43:58.640 --> 02:44:02.730 Now, is there any further amendments to 22? 02:44:02.730 --> 02:44:04.027 Yes, Ms. Perez-Diaz. 02:44:04.027 --> 02:44:04.860 Thank you chair. 02:44:04.860 --> 02:44:09.760 So, I voted in opposition of striking just because 02:44:09.760 --> 02:44:11.040 if people don't like my language, 02:44:11.040 --> 02:44:13.240 then I fear that we don't have 02:44:13.240 --> 02:44:14.867 any language in postpartum depression- 02:44:14.867 --> 02:44:15.796 Okay, I get it. 02:44:15.796 --> 02:44:18.330 Yeah, but here hopefully 02:44:18.330 --> 02:44:20.260 this is amendable. 02:44:20.260 --> 02:44:23.363 So I have describe. 02:44:25.350 --> 02:44:26.183 Oh, there you go. 02:44:26.183 --> 02:44:27.016 I think ... 02:44:28.310 --> 02:44:29.510 Oh, I got my email. 02:44:29.510 --> 02:44:30.670 Yeah it (indistinct)- 02:44:30.670 --> 02:44:32.010 Describe the emotional changes 02:44:32.010 --> 02:44:34.460 in the incurred during and after pregnancy, 02:44:34.460 --> 02:44:36.480 including postpartum depression, 02:44:36.480 --> 02:44:39.837 and identify resources for support and treatment- 02:44:39.837 --> 02:44:40.670 Okay. 02:44:40.670 --> 02:44:41.503 And this language, 02:44:41.503 --> 02:44:43.220 it mirrors the language that was in a previous year. 02:44:43.220 --> 02:44:44.530 I just wanted to make sure that, 02:44:44.530 --> 02:44:48.080 at the very least we had two years of it, 02:44:48.080 --> 02:44:49.030 because it's so important that, 02:44:49.030 --> 02:44:50.700 because it aligns to what other agencies 02:44:50.700 --> 02:44:51.810 in the state are doing. 02:44:51.810 --> 02:44:53.641 Okay, is there a second? 02:44:53.641 --> 02:44:54.474 Second. 02:44:54.474 --> 02:44:56.570 Okay, motion has been made and seconded, 02:44:56.570 --> 02:44:58.083 any further discussion? 02:45:01.195 --> 02:45:02.670 Any objection? 02:45:02.670 --> 02:45:04.980 No, objection, but I do have comment. 02:45:04.980 --> 02:45:06.740 I think some language is better than no language. 02:45:06.740 --> 02:45:11.740 So having something that addresses versus just striking it, 02:45:11.900 --> 02:45:14.540 I support the motion, I support the amendment. 02:45:14.540 --> 02:45:15.940 Any objection? 02:45:17.220 --> 02:45:19.120 Okay, hearing none, the motion passes. 02:45:20.920 --> 02:45:23.070 Okay, whoever wants to go first. 02:45:23.070 --> 02:45:26.517 The first one that raises their hand is who I'll call in. 02:45:26.517 --> 02:45:27.350 (laughing) 02:45:27.350 --> 02:45:29.990 Ms. Bahorich. 02:45:29.990 --> 02:45:32.923 Okay, 23A. 02:45:37.290 --> 02:45:39.140 So, nothing in the front. 02:45:39.140 --> 02:45:41.127 So you can ... Well, no, sorry. 02:45:41.127 --> 02:45:43.853 I do want to insert research and, 02:45:44.740 --> 02:45:48.960 and then you get to the end, including, 02:45:48.960 --> 02:45:50.210 and I want to add including, 02:45:50.210 --> 02:45:54.009 considering the impact on one's personal life goals. 02:45:54.009 --> 02:45:55.610 Okay, and are you also striking family 02:45:55.610 --> 02:45:57.516 and families in society? 02:45:57.516 --> 02:45:59.070 No, no sorry. 02:45:59.070 --> 02:46:00.736 I'm not gonna strike that. Oh, you're not. 02:46:00.736 --> 02:46:02.273 Hmm- Okay. 02:46:02.273 --> 02:46:03.214 (clears throat) 02:46:03.214 --> 02:46:04.802 May I speak to my motion chair? 02:46:04.802 --> 02:46:05.635 Hang on. 02:46:05.635 --> 02:46:07.233 Let's get it up on the board first. 02:46:11.567 --> 02:46:13.910 Okay, does that represent what you wanted 02:46:13.910 --> 02:46:15.000 to say Ms. Bahorich? 02:46:15.000 --> 02:46:17.360 Yeah, research and analyze, blah, blah- 02:46:17.360 --> 02:46:18.806 Yeah. including 02:46:18.806 --> 02:46:21.940 considering the impact on one's personal goals. 02:46:21.940 --> 02:46:22.890 Yes. 02:46:22.890 --> 02:46:24.723 Okay, is there a second? 02:46:26.530 --> 02:46:27.839 Any second? 02:46:27.839 --> 02:46:28.672 (laughing) 02:46:28.672 --> 02:46:30.741 I'll second (laughs) 02:46:30.741 --> 02:46:32.001 Okay, Ms. Bahorich, 02:46:32.001 --> 02:46:35.001 do you want to speak to your motion? 02:46:36.000 --> 02:46:38.120 I think it's important to draw back in. 02:46:38.120 --> 02:46:39.760 Cause we have two years, 02:46:39.760 --> 02:46:43.460 sixth, and seventh, and eighth, working on live sorry. 02:46:43.460 --> 02:46:45.190 One's personal life goals. 02:46:45.190 --> 02:46:47.640 And so, this kind of just draws the information 02:46:47.640 --> 02:46:49.200 back into a discussion. 02:46:49.200 --> 02:46:52.543 So they consider the impact on their personal life goals. 02:46:53.860 --> 02:46:55.740 And we definitely want them to research this, 02:46:55.740 --> 02:46:59.990 and not just something that, just an opinion, in this case. 02:46:59.990 --> 02:47:01.400 Any further discussion? 02:47:01.400 --> 02:47:03.978 Chair, could I make a suggestion? 02:47:03.978 --> 02:47:04.811 Yes. 02:47:04.811 --> 02:47:07.440 To avoid using impact twice in that see, 02:47:07.440 --> 02:47:11.393 you might consider changing one of them to affects. 02:47:14.899 --> 02:47:15.810 Yeah- Okay. 02:47:15.810 --> 02:47:16.650 I think, yeah. 02:47:16.650 --> 02:47:19.120 The effects on one's life goals. 02:47:19.120 --> 02:47:20.040 Okay considerin- Yeah, 02:47:20.040 --> 02:47:21.447 that makes sense, thank you staff. 02:47:21.447 --> 02:47:23.350 Considering the effects. 02:47:23.350 --> 02:47:25.573 Any objection to that substitution? 02:47:26.720 --> 02:47:28.373 Hearing none that's done. 02:47:29.240 --> 02:47:32.493 So now, any further discussion on the amendment? 02:47:34.750 --> 02:47:36.053 Any objections? 02:47:37.500 --> 02:47:39.853 Okay, hearing none, the motion passes. 02:47:46.284 --> 02:47:49.195 Okay, so 23, 02:47:49.195 --> 02:47:50.210 sorry, my mic. 02:47:50.210 --> 02:47:55.210 23 B we deleted this in seventh and eighth, 02:47:57.730 --> 02:47:59.940 analyze the options available to teenage parents, 02:47:59.940 --> 02:48:01.990 such as parenting and the process of adoption, 02:48:01.990 --> 02:48:03.670 illegal rights, a party involved. 02:48:03.670 --> 02:48:05.690 We deleted it for seventh, eight again, 02:48:05.690 --> 02:48:08.360 I think it's extending over. 02:48:08.360 --> 02:48:11.163 It's just too much for this course. 02:48:12.490 --> 02:48:16.490 Okay so the motion is to delete B, 02:48:16.490 --> 02:48:19.620 23B which says analyze the options available 02:48:19.620 --> 02:48:21.950 to teenage parents, such as parenting, 02:48:21.950 --> 02:48:25.180 or the process of adoption and the legal rights 02:48:25.180 --> 02:48:26.973 of parties involved. 02:48:27.960 --> 02:48:30.160 And so what's the rationale for that? 02:48:30.160 --> 02:48:31.310 The rationale is, 02:48:31.310 --> 02:48:33.103 I really think this is ... 02:48:35.101 --> 02:48:37.480 Because there are so many standards here, 02:48:37.480 --> 02:48:39.620 just in a continued extension here, 02:48:39.620 --> 02:48:43.360 that's unnecessary for the discussion 02:48:43.360 --> 02:48:45.930 that's in the (clears throat) risk associated 02:48:45.930 --> 02:48:48.290 with sexual activity and that abstinence. 02:48:48.290 --> 02:48:51.690 And before that you are already gonna 02:48:51.690 --> 02:48:54.633 be talking about parents. 02:48:55.840 --> 02:48:57.823 I don't have it in front of me here. 02:49:00.730 --> 02:49:02.830 You're already talking about counseling, 02:49:02.830 --> 02:49:07.348 and let's see, this is 23, right? 02:49:07.348 --> 02:49:08.181 (indistinct), 02:49:08.181 --> 02:49:09.710 Yeah, the community support services 02:49:09.710 --> 02:49:11.350 and that type of thing you're talking about. 02:49:11.350 --> 02:49:13.320 Yeah, they're up above it. 02:49:13.320 --> 02:49:16.273 There's already information that kind of refers to. 02:49:19.550 --> 02:49:20.383 Sorry, members. 02:49:20.383 --> 02:49:22.223 This is taking me a second here. 02:49:29.130 --> 02:49:30.703 Okay, so ... 02:49:33.130 --> 02:49:35.230 Okay, you say the reason for deleting is 02:49:35.230 --> 02:49:37.600 because it extends this conversation further than 02:49:37.600 --> 02:49:40.330 is necessary in the discussion of risk. 02:49:40.330 --> 02:49:41.530 Is that the right one? 02:49:41.530 --> 02:49:42.650 Correct. 02:49:42.650 --> 02:49:44.803 Discussion, stay focused on life goals. 02:49:45.650 --> 02:49:48.613 Okay, yes, Ms. Perez-Diaz. 02:49:49.690 --> 02:49:51.910 I firmly stand against 02:49:51.910 --> 02:49:54.400 this amendment because, 02:49:54.400 --> 02:49:55.970 for when we're looking at language, 02:49:55.970 --> 02:49:57.747 I think precision of language is really important. 02:49:57.747 --> 02:50:00.100 So, when we're talking about risks and support, 02:50:00.100 --> 02:50:00.970 in those two things. 02:50:00.970 --> 02:50:04.440 For me, those things are proactive. 02:50:04.440 --> 02:50:06.150 And in this language, 02:50:06.150 --> 02:50:08.542 analyze the options available to teen parents, 02:50:08.542 --> 02:50:11.730 such as, and it goes on. 02:50:11.730 --> 02:50:16.184 That isn't proactive, that's reactive, right? 02:50:16.184 --> 02:50:18.260 And I think that that language is very necessary 02:50:18.260 --> 02:50:20.460 because the reality is, 02:50:20.460 --> 02:50:22.470 we have teen parents in our classrooms. 02:50:22.470 --> 02:50:24.910 And so, it's really important that they have 02:50:26.100 --> 02:50:27.633 this very important information in front of them, 02:50:27.633 --> 02:50:30.750 so that they know how to address their own situations. 02:50:30.750 --> 02:50:34.867 So I rise an opposition to this motion. 02:50:34.867 --> 02:50:36.317 And Mr. Cortez. 02:50:37.550 --> 02:50:41.703 Yeah, I think at this grade level, 02:50:43.030 --> 02:50:44.367 this is certainly appropriate. 02:50:44.367 --> 02:50:49.367 And I see why, she taken it out in the younger grades, 02:50:50.650 --> 02:50:53.670 but at this age, 02:50:53.670 --> 02:50:57.363 we clearly know the data clearly shows, 02:50:58.650 --> 02:51:01.900 with the high rate of teen pregnancy that we have in Texas, 02:51:01.900 --> 02:51:05.370 with a high rate of multiple teen births, 02:51:05.370 --> 02:51:07.430 the highest in the country. 02:51:07.430 --> 02:51:12.430 Clearly you have some teenage parents, 02:51:12.820 --> 02:51:16.780 that might consider some of these options for themselves. 02:51:16.780 --> 02:51:20.960 And if we're not offering them some information about it, 02:51:20.960 --> 02:51:23.440 we put our kids at a disadvantage, 02:51:23.440 --> 02:51:27.090 those that put themselves in these situations. 02:51:27.090 --> 02:51:31.400 So, I would oppose this striking. 02:51:31.400 --> 02:51:33.270 Okay, Mr. Chair, would you take it? 02:51:33.270 --> 02:51:35.527 Yeah, let me and I comment, 02:51:37.228 --> 02:51:40.508 I've come we're in the discussion phase about striking that. 02:51:40.508 --> 02:51:43.480 All right, okay, (indistinct). 02:51:43.480 --> 02:51:44.870 And I will call him Mr. Rowley. 02:51:44.870 --> 02:51:45.703 Okay, yeah. 02:51:45.703 --> 02:51:50.470 I would speak in opposition to this motion to striking 02:51:50.470 --> 02:51:54.340 that I like it being included 02:51:54.340 --> 02:51:56.600 that there are options available to teenage parents. 02:51:56.600 --> 02:52:00.523 Cause I mean, parenting, adoption, 02:52:01.470 --> 02:52:06.074 I've served on the Care Net Pregnancy Center board, 02:52:06.074 --> 02:52:07.740 in my community. 02:52:07.740 --> 02:52:12.400 And that's one of the options they provide is, 02:52:12.400 --> 02:52:16.920 parenting classes, different supplies, 02:52:16.920 --> 02:52:18.210 equipment, things that are needed. 02:52:18.210 --> 02:52:21.402 And so, I think it's important, (clears throat) 02:52:21.402 --> 02:52:24.490 for young women who find themselves in this situation 02:52:24.490 --> 02:52:27.210 to know that there are other options, 02:52:27.210 --> 02:52:31.590 such as parenting, and adoption. 02:52:31.590 --> 02:52:35.253 And so, I would be opposed to striking that. 02:52:39.830 --> 02:52:41.400 Any other discussion Ms. Bahorich. 02:52:41.400 --> 02:52:43.810 I would like to pull my amendment. 02:52:43.810 --> 02:52:46.210 Is there any objection to Ms. Bahorich 02:52:46.210 --> 02:52:47.310 pulling her amendment? 02:52:48.760 --> 02:52:49.593 Hearing none. 02:52:51.760 --> 02:52:52.593 All right. 02:52:52.593 --> 02:52:56.203 Numbers, 11C is just more of the STD thing. 02:52:57.670 --> 02:53:00.570 And you can see C, E. 02:53:00.570 --> 02:53:01.770 23C right? 02:53:02.707 --> 02:53:06.443 I'm sorry, 23, sorry 23, C, E, F. 02:53:09.890 --> 02:53:10.723 So we're doing, 02:53:10.723 --> 02:53:12.449 can we do C, E, and F together? 02:53:12.449 --> 02:53:13.957 Is that what you're saying? 02:53:13.957 --> 02:53:17.396 Are they going to be other chances in E and F 02:53:17.396 --> 02:53:18.637 that are not STDs? 02:53:18.637 --> 02:53:21.750 The only thing in F is that I ... 02:53:21.750 --> 02:53:26.418 Just because I'm kind of anal like this, 02:53:26.418 --> 02:53:30.640 I put, if there is a concern in the same position 02:53:30.640 --> 02:53:32.763 that it is for seventh and eighth grade. 02:53:34.001 --> 02:53:36.580 In all for those (indistinct)? 02:53:36.580 --> 02:53:37.413 It's clean. 02:53:37.413 --> 02:53:38.246 That's a cleanup, 02:53:38.246 --> 02:53:41.103 that I'm not changing it, taking it out anything. 02:53:43.043 --> 02:53:44.813 Ms. Kay are you comfortable? 02:53:46.122 --> 02:53:48.750 So I'm comfortable, I'm comfortable. 02:53:48.750 --> 02:53:49.583 All right. 02:53:49.583 --> 02:53:52.340 So we have the motion, do we have a second? 02:53:52.340 --> 02:53:53.173 Second. 02:53:53.173 --> 02:53:55.010 Any discussion on that? 02:53:55.010 --> 02:53:56.183 Any objection? 02:53:57.300 --> 02:53:59.193 Hearing none, motion carries. 02:54:01.410 --> 02:54:03.760 So Ms. Kay the amendments that you had 02:54:03.760 --> 02:54:06.320 should be just right for what we were doing. 02:54:06.320 --> 02:54:07.364 Okay. Okay. 02:54:07.364 --> 02:54:08.197 All, alright. 02:54:08.197 --> 02:54:11.110 All right, next would be 23G, 02:54:11.110 --> 02:54:13.720 identify community resources, comma. 02:54:13.720 --> 02:54:15.650 This is going to align with seventh and eighth, 02:54:15.650 --> 02:54:17.687 what we did in seventh and eighth. 02:54:17.687 --> 02:54:19.972 Identify community resources, comma monitors, 02:54:19.972 --> 02:54:24.038 right to consent under certain conditions, comma, 02:54:24.038 --> 02:54:27.797 and the importance of parent or trusted adult support 02:54:27.797 --> 02:54:30.964 for STD and STI testing and treatment. 02:54:33.165 --> 02:54:35.996 So, this would align with what we did last night. 02:54:35.996 --> 02:54:39.496 Okay, I apologize we can ... 02:54:40.825 --> 02:54:44.365 If it's different thing for that we've already have? 02:54:44.365 --> 02:54:45.198 Okay. 02:54:45.198 --> 02:54:46.031 If you could read that for me? 02:54:46.031 --> 02:54:47.333 Yeah, I can read it again. 02:54:47.333 --> 02:54:50.652 Identify community resources, comma, (clears throat) 02:54:50.652 --> 02:54:55.393 minor's right to consent under certain conditions, comma, 02:54:55.393 --> 02:54:59.355 and the importance of parent or trusted adult support, 02:54:59.355 --> 02:55:02.522 for STD and STI testing and treatment. 02:55:07.230 --> 02:55:09.540 Chair, just an observation. 02:55:09.540 --> 02:55:11.610 If you want it consistent with what you did 02:55:11.610 --> 02:55:13.090 for seventh and eighth. Yeah. 02:55:13.090 --> 02:55:14.790 You had circumstances. 02:55:14.790 --> 02:55:15.870 Oh, circumstances. 02:55:15.870 --> 02:55:17.300 Yeah, let's keep it the same. 02:55:17.300 --> 02:55:18.610 Okay, let's do that. 02:55:18.610 --> 02:55:20.910 That's a mistake on my part and circumstances. 02:55:34.504 --> 02:55:37.100 All right. 02:55:37.100 --> 02:55:38.610 Got the motion, correct? 02:55:38.610 --> 02:55:39.443 Yes. 02:55:39.443 --> 02:55:40.904 Do we have a second? 02:55:40.904 --> 02:55:42.000 Second. 02:55:42.000 --> 02:55:43.623 Any discussion? 02:55:45.490 --> 02:55:46.423 Any objection? 02:55:47.590 --> 02:55:49.210 Motion carried. 02:55:49.210 --> 02:55:51.163 Okay, 23I, 02:55:52.390 --> 02:55:56.040 Oh, sorry 23H, and again, 02:55:56.040 --> 02:56:00.730 this is what we did last night, 02:56:00.730 --> 02:56:04.673 in re in striking potential. 02:56:06.070 --> 02:56:09.120 And again, that's because it was struck and work group 02:56:09.120 --> 02:56:13.193 that was just are going from that to rule text. 02:56:18.176 --> 02:56:19.763 Do we have a second? 02:56:23.197 --> 02:56:24.030 Second. 02:56:24.030 --> 02:56:24.863 We have a motion and a second, 02:56:24.863 --> 02:56:25.696 any discussion? 02:56:27.520 --> 02:56:28.363 Any objection? 02:56:29.380 --> 02:56:30.490 Motion carries. 02:56:32.170 --> 02:56:36.747 Okay I, 23I would say, 02:56:39.120 --> 02:56:41.550 and this again is something that we passed 02:56:41.550 --> 02:56:42.670 in seventh and eighth. 02:56:42.670 --> 02:56:44.520 I wanna make sure I've got this language right 02:56:44.520 --> 02:56:45.910 from last night. 02:56:45.910 --> 02:56:48.770 Ms. Ramos cause so to make sure, 02:56:48.770 --> 02:56:51.123 cause I'm not quite sure if any of it changed. 02:56:52.900 --> 02:56:53.950 So, it would be, 02:56:53.950 --> 02:56:56.660 identify support from parents and trusted adults 02:56:56.660 --> 02:56:59.060 to be abstinent from sexual activity 02:56:59.060 --> 02:57:02.340 and create strategies for building peer support, comma, 02:57:02.340 --> 02:57:06.050 including a return to abstinence, if sexually active. 02:57:06.050 --> 02:57:09.287 So it retains the idea of the standard just as 02:57:11.120 --> 02:57:15.693 includes the support as part of the strategies. 02:57:17.896 --> 02:57:20.420 And Ms. Bhorich support (indistinct). 02:57:20.420 --> 02:57:21.640 Yeah, identify support 02:57:21.640 --> 02:57:23.460 from parents and trusted adults 02:57:23.460 --> 02:57:25.110 to be abstinent from sexual activity, 02:57:25.110 --> 02:57:28.700 and create strategies for building peer support, 02:57:28.700 --> 02:57:30.095 including return- It seems 02:57:30.095 --> 02:57:30.928 to be correct. to 02:57:30.928 --> 02:57:31.761 abstinence, if sexually active. 02:57:31.761 --> 02:57:33.300 Yes, that's it. 02:57:33.300 --> 02:57:36.260 One minor technical edit to that. 02:57:36.260 --> 02:57:40.160 If Kay could move including a return to abstinence, 02:57:40.160 --> 02:57:41.883 after the word strategies. 02:57:52.760 --> 02:57:54.193 Yeah, that's it. 02:57:58.550 --> 02:58:00.100 Okay, we got it proper up there? 02:58:00.100 --> 02:58:00.933 Yeah, that's it. 02:58:00.933 --> 02:58:04.180 And that would just align with what we did last night. 02:58:04.180 --> 02:58:05.773 We get a second? 02:58:05.773 --> 02:58:06.606 Second. 02:58:06.606 --> 02:58:07.439 [Dr. Ellis] Any discussion? 02:58:11.030 --> 02:58:13.370 Mrs. Bahorich, it's not identical to- 02:58:13.370 --> 02:58:15.539 Yeah, it's not meant to be identical- 02:58:15.539 --> 02:58:16.372 Okay. Because, 02:58:16.372 --> 02:58:19.093 I wanted to include the return to abstinence concept, 02:58:20.490 --> 02:58:22.533 that the work committee recommended. 02:58:31.630 --> 02:58:34.047 Although the caveat is not there. 02:58:36.166 --> 02:58:39.833 (indistinct). 02:58:46.040 --> 02:58:48.680 Wait a minute, return to abstinence 02:58:48.680 --> 02:58:51.970 for building peer support if sexually 02:58:51.970 --> 02:58:53.660 and create strategies. 02:58:53.660 --> 02:58:56.950 Okay, no, wait a minute. 02:58:56.950 --> 02:58:58.990 I'm not trying to build peer support 02:58:58.990 --> 02:59:00.500 around being sexually active. 02:59:00.500 --> 02:59:02.740 So I want to make sure that we're, (laughs) 02:59:02.740 --> 02:59:04.303 that we're not misstating this. 02:59:04.303 --> 02:59:06.520 This is creating strategies, 02:59:06.520 --> 02:59:08.430 that includes building peer support 02:59:08.430 --> 02:59:13.430 to return to abstinence if ... 02:59:13.575 --> 02:59:17.720 So, I don't think I'm not sure it says that right now. 02:59:17.720 --> 02:59:18.830 Yeah. 02:59:18.830 --> 02:59:23.830 And create strategies, including buildings, peer support. 02:59:24.350 --> 02:59:25.390 Yeah. 02:59:25.390 --> 02:59:28.760 For a return to abstinence, if sexually active. 02:59:28.760 --> 02:59:31.310 Okay, that makes more sense to me. 02:59:33.570 --> 02:59:37.703 Cause the idea is that, just because you know ... 02:59:39.740 --> 02:59:41.290 That there is a return to abstinence 02:59:41.290 --> 02:59:44.283 as was indicated in the original SE. 02:59:47.140 --> 02:59:48.840 Comma after support. 02:59:53.670 --> 02:59:57.163 But don't, we want them to have peer support, 02:59:59.120 --> 03:00:00.740 if they've never been sexually active. 03:00:00.740 --> 03:00:01.573 So, it's not just, 03:00:01.573 --> 03:00:04.610 if they return to abstinence, if sexually active, 03:00:04.610 --> 03:00:06.900 we want them to have peer support, 03:00:06.900 --> 03:00:09.086 to be abstinent in the first place. 03:00:09.086 --> 03:00:09.919 And I don't think 03:00:09.919 --> 03:00:10.752 it reads like that anymore. 03:00:10.752 --> 03:00:12.400 Oh yeah, that's true. 03:00:14.030 --> 03:00:16.010 So is it identify support 03:00:16.010 --> 03:00:17.850 from parents and trusted adults, 03:00:17.850 --> 03:00:21.546 and create strategies, including building peer support, 03:00:21.546 --> 03:00:23.430 to be abstinent- 03:00:23.430 --> 03:00:26.780 From sexual activity, and return to. 03:00:26.780 --> 03:00:28.617 Yeah. Or return? 03:00:28.617 --> 03:00:29.450 Or, for? 03:00:29.450 --> 03:00:30.817 And, or for a return 03:00:30.817 --> 03:00:32.074 to abstinence of sexual act? 03:00:32.074 --> 03:00:33.824 That is more correct. 03:00:34.993 --> 03:00:35.896 I'm sorry, can you repeat. 03:00:35.896 --> 03:00:36.729 Yeah, give me a second. 03:00:36.729 --> 03:00:39.884 And then I'll (indistinct). Thanks. 03:00:39.884 --> 03:00:43.967 Yeah, Ms. Martinez has it right. 03:00:45.893 --> 03:00:48.726 (papers clipping) 03:00:54.475 --> 03:00:58.154 Identify support from parents and trusted adults. 03:00:58.154 --> 03:01:00.487 Okay, and create strategies, 03:01:04.418 --> 03:01:07.085 including building peer support, 03:01:13.866 --> 03:01:15.287 okay. 03:01:15.287 --> 03:01:19.120 To be abstinent, or, for return to abstinence, 03:01:29.403 --> 03:01:30.681 if sexually active. 03:01:30.681 --> 03:01:33.240 Your funny, I heard it. 03:01:33.240 --> 03:01:34.073 Thank you. 03:01:34.990 --> 03:01:36.927 Ah, that's it. 03:01:36.927 --> 03:01:39.677 (papers turning) 03:01:59.112 --> 03:02:00.168 Yeah. 03:02:00.168 --> 03:02:01.001 This is what I would like it 03:02:01.001 --> 03:02:01.834 to say members. Yeah. 03:02:01.834 --> 03:02:04.111 It makes more sense now. 03:02:04.111 --> 03:02:05.922 (papers turning) 03:02:05.922 --> 03:02:07.073 All right, good? 03:02:08.319 --> 03:02:09.152 I think (indistinct)- 03:02:09.152 --> 03:02:10.104 Okay. 03:02:10.104 --> 03:02:11.425 That's (indistinct). 03:02:11.425 --> 03:02:13.691 True, all right. Do we have a second? 03:02:13.691 --> 03:02:14.524 Second. 03:02:14.524 --> 03:02:15.900 Any discussion? 03:02:15.900 --> 03:02:17.600 Any objection? 03:02:17.600 --> 03:02:18.503 Motion carries. 03:02:21.070 --> 03:02:22.960 All right, members, 03:02:22.960 --> 03:02:27.273 if J and K have the STDs again. 03:02:29.189 --> 03:02:31.939 (turning papers) 03:02:34.283 --> 03:02:36.684 Second. 03:02:36.684 --> 03:02:38.624 A motions and a second. 03:02:38.624 --> 03:02:39.791 Any objection? 03:02:40.940 --> 03:02:41.773 Motion carries. (papers turning) 03:02:41.773 --> 03:02:45.160 And so members, as we discussed previously, 03:02:45.160 --> 03:02:48.280 I wanted to offer in health one. 03:02:48.280 --> 03:02:53.280 And if you go up to 14, it would be a new standard. 03:02:55.580 --> 03:02:56.963 As we discussed earlier. 03:02:58.724 --> 03:03:00.430 It would be new standard here. 03:03:00.430 --> 03:03:03.683 And it would say, promote strategies, 03:03:05.010 --> 03:03:07.603 for prevention and intervention, 03:03:09.270 --> 03:03:12.853 of all forms of bullying, or cyber bullying, 03:03:15.300 --> 03:03:20.300 such as emotional comma, physical comma, 03:03:21.150 --> 03:03:23.763 social comma, and sexual. 03:03:29.870 --> 03:03:32.020 And my other part of that motion would be 03:03:32.020 --> 03:03:36.810 to add it in seventh, eighth as well. 03:03:36.810 --> 03:03:38.790 But instead of promote strategies, 03:03:38.790 --> 03:03:41.690 it would say analyze strategy, so we can have scaffolding. 03:04:08.273 --> 03:04:09.106 (typing) 03:04:09.106 --> 03:04:10.373 Okay, and to support different technqiues. 03:04:13.906 --> 03:04:16.239 (murmuring) 03:04:18.160 --> 03:04:19.284 And I wanna double check 03:04:19.284 --> 03:04:22.450 with Ms. Shelley to make sure that, 03:04:22.450 --> 03:04:24.230 that is the way six reads, 03:04:24.230 --> 03:04:26.987 so that it we're scaffolding correctly from sixth grade. 03:04:26.987 --> 03:04:29.380 That's already in the standards. 03:04:29.380 --> 03:04:31.230 I just wanna double check to be sure. 03:05:01.380 --> 03:05:02.770 I believe it reads correctly, 03:05:02.770 --> 03:05:04.270 but I wanna just double check. 03:05:19.083 --> 03:05:22.220 It seems to be correct, or? 03:05:22.220 --> 03:05:24.204 No, I don't know she's still tricky- 03:05:24.204 --> 03:05:25.037 Okay. But is it, 03:05:25.037 --> 03:05:26.100 bullying or cyber bullying? 03:05:26.100 --> 03:05:29.440 Or is it bullying and cyber bullying? 03:05:29.440 --> 03:05:30.810 What it's got right now 03:05:30.810 --> 03:05:32.600 in sixth that I see, unless we ... 03:05:32.600 --> 03:05:33.800 I don't think we changed this, 03:05:33.800 --> 03:05:35.810 identify strategies for prevention 03:05:35.810 --> 03:05:38.820 and intervention of all forms, 03:05:38.820 --> 03:05:41.130 of bullying or cyber bullying, 03:05:41.130 --> 03:05:43.530 such as emotional, physical, social, and sexual. 03:05:43.530 --> 03:05:45.683 That's what I see in- 03:05:45.683 --> 03:05:47.384 I think we are (indistinct). 03:05:47.384 --> 03:05:48.504 I think I (indistinct)- That's 03:05:48.504 --> 03:05:49.337 all right. And 03:05:49.337 --> 03:05:50.170 Cyber bullying, okay. 03:05:50.170 --> 03:05:51.930 Well, let's make sure that it's consistency of language, 03:05:51.930 --> 03:05:54.760 cause I want it consistent all the way through. 03:05:54.760 --> 03:05:57.042 So bullying and cyber bullying? 03:05:57.042 --> 03:05:58.520 Yeah. 03:05:58.520 --> 03:06:00.043 Instead of or. 03:06:07.220 --> 03:06:08.600 Got it right? 03:06:08.600 --> 03:06:09.433 That's it now. 03:06:09.433 --> 03:06:10.771 Okay, can we get a second? 03:06:10.771 --> 03:06:11.738 Second- Second. 03:06:11.738 --> 03:06:13.753 Do we have any discussion on this item? 03:06:15.180 --> 03:06:16.523 Any objection? 03:06:17.630 --> 03:06:19.233 Hearing none, motion carries. 03:06:20.449 --> 03:06:23.199 (papers turning) 03:06:29.270 --> 03:06:31.260 And the only other thing that I have, 03:06:31.260 --> 03:06:33.760 and I don't know if this is an order or not chair, 03:06:33.760 --> 03:06:37.290 we had the life goal. 03:06:37.290 --> 03:06:39.983 Did we fix that for sixth grade Ms. Kako? 03:06:41.691 --> 03:06:42.610 I don't think we did. 03:06:42.610 --> 03:06:43.443 I think we did, 03:06:43.443 --> 03:06:44.780 but I just want to double check- 03:06:44.780 --> 03:06:46.020 Yeah. if we did, 03:06:46.020 --> 03:06:48.477 then we need to strike 23B, I think. 03:06:52.390 --> 03:06:53.310 (indistinct) 03:06:53.310 --> 03:06:55.480 No, no, sorry, no, what is? 03:06:55.480 --> 03:06:58.073 There was ... Oh, sorry. 03:06:59.680 --> 03:07:02.700 Yeah, we need to strike 4B because- 03:07:02.700 --> 03:07:04.710 In what grade. 03:07:04.710 --> 03:07:07.558 In sixth grade, do you think? 03:07:07.558 --> 03:07:09.170 (indistinct). 03:07:09.170 --> 03:07:11.010 I think there's a duplication there. 03:07:11.010 --> 03:07:13.973 If we've already got created, discuss personal life goals. 03:07:15.126 --> 03:07:19.800 What was on the (indistinct) sixth grade? 03:07:19.800 --> 03:07:23.360 Well, because of the change that was made, 03:07:23.360 --> 03:07:25.490 last night for life goals. 03:07:25.490 --> 03:07:27.077 Talk about the (indistinct)? 03:07:28.920 --> 03:07:29.753 Yeah. 03:07:29.753 --> 03:07:31.763 Oh, maybe that's okay, leave it in there. 03:07:32.630 --> 03:07:34.300 Okay, nevermind, nevermind. 03:07:34.300 --> 03:07:36.250 Sorry, I was a little confusing myself. 03:07:36.250 --> 03:07:38.400 I think I'm okay- Mr Mercer. 03:07:39.290 --> 03:07:40.933 Changed 23 O, 03:07:40.933 --> 03:07:43.310 is just the right time now, or should I wait? 03:07:43.310 --> 03:07:45.830 I think it's the right time. 23 O- 03:07:47.843 --> 03:07:48.840 Heath one. 03:07:48.840 --> 03:07:51.094 A health one back we're on health one, right? 03:07:51.094 --> 03:07:52.110 And it's the last item on. 03:07:52.110 --> 03:07:54.840 The last item on there? 03:07:54.840 --> 03:07:56.900 It should ... I'm sorry Kay. 03:07:56.900 --> 03:07:58.380 Yes sir. 03:07:58.380 --> 03:08:02.550 23 O, should be described the legal ... 03:08:02.550 --> 03:08:05.440 Describe the legal implications regarding sexual, 03:08:05.440 --> 03:08:08.603 and instead of activities just say sexual offenses, 03:08:11.370 --> 03:08:13.570 as it relates to minor persons, 03:08:13.570 --> 03:08:17.703 including the legal age of consent, statutory rape, 03:08:18.800 --> 03:08:22.430 aggravated sexual assault, sexual assault, 03:08:22.430 --> 03:08:24.273 and indecency with a child. 03:08:26.700 --> 03:08:27.533 And motion- 03:08:27.533 --> 03:08:28.880 I'm sorry I need a second first. 03:08:28.880 --> 03:08:29.930 A second. 03:08:29.930 --> 03:08:31.490 And this is just to align, 03:08:31.490 --> 03:08:33.690 well, this is just a line, we did 03:08:33.690 --> 03:08:36.160 in seventh and eighth grade ties together. 03:08:36.160 --> 03:08:40.130 And I actually, I was pre law for one semester in college. 03:08:40.130 --> 03:08:43.610 So I'm using my extensive experience there, (laughs) 03:08:43.610 --> 03:08:47.160 but again, to change the word sexual activity 03:08:47.160 --> 03:08:48.703 to sexual offenses. 03:08:51.028 --> 03:08:55.640 (indistinct). 03:08:55.640 --> 03:08:56.640 That's okay. 03:09:00.467 --> 03:09:02.550 All right, that's it. 03:09:02.550 --> 03:09:04.263 Is that correct on the screen? 03:09:06.010 --> 03:09:08.330 Yes, offenses and the legal age of consent. 03:09:08.330 --> 03:09:09.163 Yes. 03:09:12.266 --> 03:09:13.712 All right, do we have a second? 03:09:13.712 --> 03:09:14.545 Second. 03:09:14.545 --> 03:09:15.910 All right. 03:09:15.910 --> 03:09:18.428 Any discussion on this item? 03:09:18.428 --> 03:09:20.094 I have a- Ms. Cargill? 03:09:20.094 --> 03:09:20.927 A question about ... 03:09:22.044 --> 03:09:25.127 Sexual (indistinct). 03:09:28.130 --> 03:09:31.563 So, that is a list of sexual offenses, right? 03:09:32.443 --> 03:09:33.560 (indistinct) separate. 03:09:33.560 --> 03:09:37.240 So it's legal age of consent and offense? 03:09:37.240 --> 03:09:40.970 As it reads, or am I reading it wrong? 03:09:40.970 --> 03:09:44.070 And it's identical to what's in seventh, 03:09:44.070 --> 03:09:46.050 we passed last night, seventh, eighth grade, 03:09:46.050 --> 03:09:46.883 however, at identical, 03:09:46.883 --> 03:09:49.360 except that we used the word activities, 03:09:49.360 --> 03:09:50.750 instead of offenses. 03:09:50.750 --> 03:09:53.507 Well, if we do a breakout selling. 03:09:53.507 --> 03:09:54.890 Yeah. Yeah. 03:09:54.890 --> 03:09:56.780 Maybe we need to get back to the last one. 03:09:56.780 --> 03:09:58.900 We were kind of like brain dead (laughs) 03:09:58.900 --> 03:10:00.040 after a certain time. 03:10:00.040 --> 03:10:02.730 So we need to fix that problem. 03:10:02.730 --> 03:10:03.763 Mr. Chair- Mr. Rowley- 03:10:03.763 --> 03:10:05.070 I think we need to move 03:10:05.070 --> 03:10:09.450 the legal age of consent, up to the legal implications. 03:10:09.450 --> 03:10:12.330 Describe the legal implications, comma, 03:10:12.330 --> 03:10:15.410 including the legal age of consent comma, 03:10:15.410 --> 03:10:18.260 regarding sexual activity relates to minor terMs. 03:10:18.260 --> 03:10:20.062 That reads well, that reads well. 03:10:20.062 --> 03:10:22.798 (indistinct). 03:10:22.798 --> 03:10:23.631 You can read it again, 03:10:23.631 --> 03:10:24.540 now let me see what- Yeah. 03:10:24.540 --> 03:10:25.963 Legal age of consent. 03:10:25.963 --> 03:10:27.910 Now, it reads right. 03:10:27.910 --> 03:10:28.743 Yeah. 03:10:28.743 --> 03:10:31.033 Yeah. (clears throat) 03:10:33.119 --> 03:10:35.619 (indistinct). 03:10:37.430 --> 03:10:39.523 It does help to think of those. 03:10:43.423 --> 03:10:45.290 Right, and is it your desire 03:10:45.290 --> 03:10:47.673 to make the same change in seventh and eighth? 03:10:49.030 --> 03:10:49.863 And then that's my question. 03:10:49.863 --> 03:10:52.140 I mean, if this passes, 03:10:52.140 --> 03:10:54.260 do we have to reopen seven and eight, 03:10:54.260 --> 03:10:55.730 or is it just an understood change? 03:10:55.730 --> 03:10:56.913 How does that work? 03:10:56.913 --> 03:10:58.510 Because we're not moving forward. 03:10:58.510 --> 03:11:01.775 I'd be going back parliamentary, I'm asking that question. 03:11:01.775 --> 03:11:02.608 I think it's okay. 03:11:02.608 --> 03:11:04.760 Seven makes it (indistinct). 03:11:04.760 --> 03:11:05.810 Whats that? 03:11:05.810 --> 03:11:07.590 I was just asking if you could just staff 03:11:07.590 --> 03:11:08.490 make it (mumbles). 03:11:09.430 --> 03:11:10.263 I think we're gonna have staff 03:11:10.263 --> 03:11:11.440 make that change. 03:11:11.440 --> 03:11:12.313 All right, okay. 03:11:14.880 --> 03:11:16.330 If this passes, (indistinct). 03:11:21.520 --> 03:11:22.520 How's that read now? 03:11:26.364 --> 03:11:28.827 All right, so is that correct on the screen? 03:11:30.683 --> 03:11:33.340 (indistinct). 03:11:33.340 --> 03:11:34.460 Yes. 03:11:34.460 --> 03:11:36.730 All right, we've already done our second. 03:11:36.730 --> 03:11:38.003 Is there any discussion? 03:11:39.590 --> 03:11:40.533 Any objection? 03:11:41.970 --> 03:11:43.570 Hearing none the motion carries. 03:11:45.214 --> 03:11:47.963 Is there any other motions from members Ms. Perez-Diaz? 03:11:49.822 --> 03:11:52.700 (mumbles)- 03:11:52.700 --> 03:11:53.983 Microphone, please. 03:11:54.850 --> 03:11:57.833 Okay, so I'd like to look back at 21. 03:12:00.020 --> 03:12:03.753 Yeah, 21 and then I'd be introducing 21K. 03:12:10.210 --> 03:12:11.930 Same language. 03:12:11.930 --> 03:12:14.260 Id just like to reintroduce it, 03:12:14.260 --> 03:12:17.190 this time for a possible second for discussion. 03:12:17.190 --> 03:12:18.023 Yeah, and Mr. Chair. 03:12:18.023 --> 03:12:18.856 Yes, sir. 03:12:18.856 --> 03:12:21.230 Yeah, I checked with Ms. Cruz on that, 03:12:21.230 --> 03:12:24.230 and I'm gonna concern me that Ms. Perez-Diaz 03:12:24.230 --> 03:12:26.050 didn't get to consider this, 03:12:26.050 --> 03:12:27.270 because there wasn't a second. 03:12:27.270 --> 03:12:29.000 We were coming right back from break. 03:12:29.000 --> 03:12:33.210 And so, Ms. Cruz assured me that yes, 03:12:33.210 --> 03:12:35.190 that can be considered now, 03:12:35.190 --> 03:12:37.565 if in fact it gets a second. 03:12:37.565 --> 03:12:39.006 Second. 03:12:39.006 --> 03:12:40.100 (laughing) 03:12:40.100 --> 03:12:41.040 Good timing- A motion 03:12:41.040 --> 03:12:42.187 and a second. 03:12:42.187 --> 03:12:44.290 Thank you all. (laughs) Thank you. 03:12:44.290 --> 03:12:47.850 So now I will say this actually speaks, 03:12:47.850 --> 03:12:52.230 I think this speaks directly to what we just did in 23 O, 03:12:53.210 --> 03:12:55.070 I appreciate the legal language 03:12:55.070 --> 03:12:56.677 that we included regarding consent. 03:12:56.677 --> 03:12:59.360 And I figured that it might be helpful 03:12:59.360 --> 03:13:01.870 to define consent a little more clearly, 03:13:01.870 --> 03:13:03.880 because I think the legal language, 03:13:03.880 --> 03:13:05.390 doesn't necessarily go far enough. 03:13:05.390 --> 03:13:07.150 And we know that our youth, 03:13:07.150 --> 03:13:10.450 at least at this age, our 17 year olds. 03:13:10.450 --> 03:13:11.960 There's a lot more interaction. 03:13:11.960 --> 03:13:13.440 There's a lot more potential. 03:13:13.440 --> 03:13:17.259 And so, I feel like this language is appropriate 03:13:17.259 --> 03:13:21.730 here in this particular grade level. 03:13:21.730 --> 03:13:26.093 And so ... And sorry, I just feel like perhaps, 03:13:27.410 --> 03:13:30.123 if we don't have it anywhere else, this is fitting here. 03:13:33.150 --> 03:13:34.223 Ms. Little. 03:13:35.340 --> 03:13:36.910 Is that gonna be confusing 03:13:36.910 --> 03:13:40.740 where you've got consent, is agreeing to move forward, 03:13:40.740 --> 03:13:43.130 and refusal as not, 03:13:43.130 --> 03:13:46.190 I mean, is that gonna be confusing to- 03:13:46.190 --> 03:13:47.760 Yeah. Yeah. 03:13:47.760 --> 03:13:48.980 It isn't actually, 03:13:48.980 --> 03:13:51.872 you've had lots of conversations with educators 03:13:51.872 --> 03:13:56.290 who appreciate the language, 03:13:56.290 --> 03:14:00.480 and who have talked about how it's a lot more clear. 03:14:00.480 --> 03:14:02.470 And it speaks to some of the concerns 03:14:02.470 --> 03:14:05.310 that you all have regarding consent, 03:14:05.310 --> 03:14:07.220 just strictly meaning agreement. 03:14:07.220 --> 03:14:08.053 Cause I think 03:14:08.053 --> 03:14:09.380 that was some of the pushback you were getting. 03:14:09.380 --> 03:14:13.183 And so here we speak to the fact that consent, 03:14:14.320 --> 03:14:16.740 means voluntary refusal or agreement. 03:14:16.740 --> 03:14:20.810 So, at least in terms of educators 03:14:20.810 --> 03:14:21.643 that would be reading this, 03:14:21.643 --> 03:14:23.290 the language is a lot more clear. 03:14:25.160 --> 03:14:27.950 Right, is the other discussion on this item? 03:14:27.950 --> 03:14:28.783 Ms. Cargill? 03:14:28.783 --> 03:14:30.740 I think it's very confusing, 03:14:30.740 --> 03:14:32.640 because consent is ... 03:14:32.640 --> 03:14:34.850 First of all, it's not a concept. 03:14:34.850 --> 03:14:38.563 And consent does not include refusal. 03:14:39.550 --> 03:14:40.410 What? 03:14:40.410 --> 03:14:43.750 Consent is agreeing to something, 03:14:43.750 --> 03:14:45.830 not disagreeing to something. 03:14:45.830 --> 03:14:47.573 It's accepting, not refusing. 03:14:55.570 --> 03:14:57.970 Any other discussion on this item? 03:15:00.447 --> 03:15:03.184 (sighs) 03:15:03.184 --> 03:15:04.017 All right. 03:15:04.017 --> 03:15:05.007 Mr. Coretz] What if- 03:15:05.007 --> 03:15:05.840 Mr. Cortez. 03:15:05.840 --> 03:15:08.420 Yeah, can you explain what your concern was? 03:15:08.420 --> 03:15:11.590 Again, I'm not sure that I got the gist 03:15:11.590 --> 03:15:12.543 of what you were trying to say. 03:15:12.543 --> 03:15:13.376 I (indistinct)- 03:15:13.376 --> 03:15:14.209 Yes ma'am. 03:15:14.209 --> 03:15:15.320 Call me Ken. 03:15:15.320 --> 03:15:16.286 No. 03:15:16.286 --> 03:15:17.270 (laughs) 03:15:17.270 --> 03:15:18.610 My ear. 03:15:18.610 --> 03:15:19.630 Well, 03:15:19.630 --> 03:15:23.570 and just looking at consent consent is not a concept. 03:15:23.570 --> 03:15:25.154 I don't think this is what I think. 03:15:25.154 --> 03:15:26.850 I don't think it's a concept. 03:15:26.850 --> 03:15:29.810 And consent is when someone agrees to something. 03:15:29.810 --> 03:15:33.090 It does not include, refusal. 03:15:33.090 --> 03:15:35.963 So that by definition, is incorrect. 03:15:38.320 --> 03:15:39.920 By your definition, or? 03:15:39.920 --> 03:15:42.370 No, but by looking it up here, 03:15:42.370 --> 03:15:44.640 when you consent to something, you agree to it, 03:15:44.640 --> 03:15:47.550 you don't have a clear voluntary refusal to it. 03:15:47.550 --> 03:15:49.700 So I'll be voting against the motion. 03:15:49.700 --> 03:15:50.807 All though ... 03:15:51.970 --> 03:15:52.803 There, it's asking you 03:15:52.803 --> 03:15:54.567 to define the concept though. 03:15:58.290 --> 03:16:00.370 Ms. Perez, I mean. 03:16:00.370 --> 03:16:01.231 What we could do 03:16:01.231 --> 03:16:03.540 to just add some clarification, 03:16:03.540 --> 03:16:06.530 we could just say define consent, 03:16:06.530 --> 03:16:09.370 as permission for something to happen, 03:16:09.370 --> 03:16:10.820 or agreement to do something. 03:16:15.000 --> 03:16:16.513 Right, I mean, that's the ... 03:16:19.180 --> 03:16:24.180 That satisfies the answers to the question, as far as- 03:16:24.440 --> 03:16:25.860 And it clearly defines it, right. 03:16:25.860 --> 03:16:28.990 It clearly defines it as what it is. 03:16:28.990 --> 03:16:31.150 Which is the concern that was raised. 03:16:31.150 --> 03:16:32.550 Right. 03:16:32.550 --> 03:16:34.250 So there's no more concern. 03:16:34.250 --> 03:16:37.449 This is what I think (laughs) 03:16:37.449 --> 03:16:38.691 That's a thinking for me. 03:16:38.691 --> 03:16:40.310 (laughing) 03:16:40.310 --> 03:16:42.380 I'm just thinking for me. 03:16:42.380 --> 03:16:43.485 I'll still vote against it. 03:16:43.485 --> 03:16:45.335 I don't think it's necessary, but ... 03:16:46.340 --> 03:16:48.130 Ms. Bahorich. 03:16:48.130 --> 03:16:49.783 Hold on just, just a second. 03:16:53.348 --> 03:16:54.500 I mean (indistinct). 03:16:54.500 --> 03:16:55.890 What was the (idistinct). 03:16:56.771 --> 03:16:58.270 (mumbles). 03:16:58.270 --> 03:16:59.350 Okay, 03:16:59.350 --> 03:17:01.670 so it's not an emotion, it's not an amendment. 03:17:01.670 --> 03:17:03.037 Chair. 03:17:03.037 --> 03:17:04.140 [Dr. Ellis] I've heard Ms. Bahorich, 03:17:04.140 --> 03:17:05.403 I'll call him Mr. Cortez. 03:17:07.200 --> 03:17:08.130 So members, 03:17:08.130 --> 03:17:09.607 I think we've done a lot of good work, 03:17:09.607 --> 03:17:11.743 and the standards have a lot of, 03:17:13.600 --> 03:17:16.900 a good strength around setting boundaries, 03:17:16.900 --> 03:17:18.603 respecting boundaries, 03:17:19.510 --> 03:17:23.210 and refusal skills needing to be part of that. 03:17:23.210 --> 03:17:26.120 And I really don't think consent language is necessary, 03:17:26.120 --> 03:17:28.463 because again, that's moving toward behavior. 03:17:30.366 --> 03:17:35.366 And if students are using their boundaries, 03:17:37.040 --> 03:17:40.600 that they've set respecting others and refusal skills. 03:17:40.600 --> 03:17:42.273 I don't believe it's necessary. 03:17:43.620 --> 03:17:45.670 Mr. Cortez, did you also have something? 03:17:45.670 --> 03:17:47.960 Yeah, I think it's important that, 03:17:47.960 --> 03:17:50.650 people understand the principles of consent, 03:17:50.650 --> 03:17:51.767 and defining them right. 03:17:51.767 --> 03:17:55.510 And so, it was my understanding 03:17:55.510 --> 03:17:59.470 from a member Cargill statement, 03:17:59.470 --> 03:18:01.730 that it was because it wasn't clearly defined. 03:18:01.730 --> 03:18:06.730 And so, a member Perez tried to alleviate 03:18:07.590 --> 03:18:09.130 that concern by, (giggles) 03:18:09.130 --> 03:18:11.550 clearly defining it, and it's still unacceptable. 03:18:11.550 --> 03:18:14.220 So is it just the term you don't want? 03:18:14.220 --> 03:18:17.860 Is it you don't want the word consent in the standard? 03:18:17.860 --> 03:18:21.653 Is that what you're arguing or is it? 03:18:23.400 --> 03:18:24.233 I mean they ... 03:18:24.233 --> 03:18:25.810 Yeah, I mean, cause I'm trying to understand, 03:18:25.810 --> 03:18:27.680 you said that you were concerned was, 03:18:27.680 --> 03:18:28.960 that it wasn't defined, 03:18:28.960 --> 03:18:32.730 and then it was defined and you still don't like it. 03:18:32.730 --> 03:18:35.010 I'm trying to figure out where we need to get 03:18:35.010 --> 03:18:39.904 so that we can put something that delineates clearly 03:18:39.904 --> 03:18:41.953 what we're talking about, 03:18:41.953 --> 03:18:44.670 because this is an important thing to mention. 03:18:44.670 --> 03:18:46.990 I got Ms. Perez-Diaz. 03:18:46.990 --> 03:18:49.120 Were you asking Ms. Cargill? 03:18:49.120 --> 03:18:50.060 I think. Yeah. 03:18:50.060 --> 03:18:51.415 Okay, Ms. Cargill- 03:18:51.415 --> 03:18:53.210 I think that we've covered consent 03:18:53.210 --> 03:18:56.870 as the legal age of consent. 03:18:56.870 --> 03:18:58.750 So, I personally think we've covered it 03:18:58.750 --> 03:19:00.000 well enough in the standards. 03:19:00.000 --> 03:19:01.650 So I don't think it's necessary here. 03:19:01.650 --> 03:19:03.110 Ms. Perez-Diaz. 03:19:03.110 --> 03:19:03.943 Thank you. 03:19:03.943 --> 03:19:05.380 And as I mentioned earlier, 03:19:05.380 --> 03:19:10.070 I appreciate the reference to legal consent, 03:19:10.070 --> 03:19:12.120 but, again, it doesn't go far enough. 03:19:12.120 --> 03:19:16.896 And so, the one question I'd ask members to think about is, 03:19:16.896 --> 03:19:20.580 we've avoided the consent language through elementary, 03:19:20.580 --> 03:19:21.413 and through middle school, 03:19:21.413 --> 03:19:23.180 but now we're talking about high school kids. 03:19:23.180 --> 03:19:26.390 And their next step is going out into the real world. 03:19:26.390 --> 03:19:29.770 They're applying for jobs, they're going into the military. 03:19:29.770 --> 03:19:32.250 You've seen, we've had a lot of issues recently, 03:19:32.250 --> 03:19:36.970 in the military with consent issues, exactly that. 03:19:36.970 --> 03:19:41.083 We had a young lady who was murdered outside of Pauline. 03:19:41.930 --> 03:19:44.683 And so all that to say, 03:19:45.550 --> 03:19:48.360 consent language is common language 03:19:48.360 --> 03:19:50.130 that's used in a rural world. 03:19:50.130 --> 03:19:52.300 If our students don't get it at the high school level, 03:19:52.300 --> 03:19:55.890 as they're about to transition into the real world, 03:19:55.890 --> 03:19:58.440 where then do they understand, 03:19:58.440 --> 03:20:02.333 the commonly used term consent? 03:20:03.760 --> 03:20:05.960 This is why I think it's so important. 03:20:05.960 --> 03:20:07.490 But if the consternation, 03:20:07.490 --> 03:20:10.890 is with specifically using the term consent, 03:20:10.890 --> 03:20:15.400 perhaps I can try a different way of wording this. 03:20:15.400 --> 03:20:18.783 And so, get at the idea of defining. 03:20:21.090 --> 03:20:22.110 So I don't know Kay. 03:20:22.110 --> 03:20:24.286 If I had have to ... Oh, I don't know if this case, 03:20:24.286 --> 03:20:26.636 I don't know if I'd have to pull this language, 03:20:28.790 --> 03:20:33.050 made me pull my emotion and then introduce another. 03:20:33.050 --> 03:20:36.030 Is that how I would handle this? 03:20:36.030 --> 03:20:37.840 Ms. Kay, you're being asked if she is, 03:20:37.840 --> 03:20:38.876 the maker of the motion wants- 03:20:38.876 --> 03:20:39.942 I'm so sorry. (giggles) 03:20:39.942 --> 03:20:40.775 If she wants to change the language. 03:20:40.775 --> 03:20:44.161 Can she pull her own, and replace it or? 03:20:44.161 --> 03:20:45.854 Yes. 03:20:45.854 --> 03:20:46.687 Okay. 03:20:46.687 --> 03:20:47.520 There's no objection. 03:20:47.520 --> 03:20:49.221 You can do anything without objection. 03:20:49.221 --> 03:20:50.054 Okay. 03:20:50.054 --> 03:20:53.909 Would you like to do that? 03:20:53.909 --> 03:20:56.782 Which (indistinct) is that? 03:20:56.782 --> 03:20:57.615 Okay, all right, hold on. 03:20:57.615 --> 03:21:00.680 We need to figure out if Ms. Perez-Diaz would like 03:21:00.680 --> 03:21:04.973 to pull her motion to create a new one, is that correct? 03:21:09.213 --> 03:21:10.046 Yeah. 03:21:10.046 --> 03:21:10.879 Is that (indistinct)- 03:21:10.879 --> 03:21:11.712 Oh yeah, I'm so sorry. 03:21:11.712 --> 03:21:12.545 Yes you can (indistinct)- 03:21:12.545 --> 03:21:13.378 Is there an objection 03:21:13.378 --> 03:21:16.090 to Ms. Perez Diaz pulling her motion? 03:21:16.090 --> 03:21:17.707 Hearing none, Ms. Perez-Diaz. 03:21:17.707 --> 03:21:19.470 I call on you for a motion. 03:21:19.470 --> 03:21:20.533 Thank you, chair. 03:21:20.533 --> 03:21:26.093 So, I would instead put, identify what qualifies, 03:21:27.100 --> 03:21:32.063 as clear and legal consent to physical activity. 03:21:36.282 --> 03:21:38.250 Was that (indistinct)? 03:21:38.250 --> 03:21:39.450 No. 03:21:39.450 --> 03:21:40.283 Physical? 03:21:40.283 --> 03:21:41.116 physical activity. 03:21:41.116 --> 03:21:43.352 (murmuring) 03:21:50.898 --> 03:21:53.565 well (mumbles). 03:22:23.080 --> 03:22:24.780 If I can ask staff, 03:22:27.565 --> 03:22:29.030 (coughing) 03:22:29.030 --> 03:22:33.700 remind this board where the work groups ended up 03:22:33.700 --> 03:22:37.100 with respect to understanding, 03:22:37.100 --> 03:22:39.610 I guess, the principles and defining personal boundaries 03:22:39.610 --> 03:22:41.513 when it comes to consent. 03:22:43.400 --> 03:22:48.400 Cause I know we've got a lot of information. 03:22:49.480 --> 03:22:50.313 I think it was 03:22:50.313 --> 03:22:53.420 at the Texas Association Against Sexual Assault, 03:22:53.420 --> 03:22:56.083 I guess sent us an email talking about some of this. 03:22:59.320 --> 03:23:00.810 I guess there was some other information 03:23:00.810 --> 03:23:02.540 from other organizations, 03:23:02.540 --> 03:23:05.500 and some of the work groups took this up. 03:23:05.500 --> 03:23:08.870 And talking about retaining the language to consent 03:23:08.870 --> 03:23:10.993 as it relates to physical intimacy. 03:23:13.140 --> 03:23:16.293 I know the Texas Pediatric Society also sent an email. 03:23:17.280 --> 03:23:19.433 Texas Council on Family Violence, 03:23:20.280 --> 03:23:23.320 made comments to work group F as well. 03:23:23.320 --> 03:23:27.830 So can someone from staff, kind of give me an insight on, 03:23:27.830 --> 03:23:29.283 what went on. 03:23:31.890 --> 03:23:35.800 So, I can tell you quickly 03:23:35.800 --> 03:23:39.530 the final recommendation of the work groups, 03:23:39.530 --> 03:23:44.190 was what is currently in the rural text on page 47. 03:23:44.190 --> 03:23:46.940 It's 21I- Can you read that? 03:23:46.940 --> 03:23:47.773 Yes, sir. 03:23:47.773 --> 03:23:49.900 And analyze factors, 03:23:49.900 --> 03:23:52.210 including alcohol and other substances 03:23:52.210 --> 03:23:54.730 that can affect the ability to give, or perceive, 03:23:54.730 --> 03:23:57.983 the provision of consent to sexual activity. 03:24:00.548 --> 03:24:02.570 And that was the final recommendation 03:24:02.570 --> 03:24:07.570 of work groups that were selected by members of this body 03:24:09.710 --> 03:24:12.043 to represent us to go over. 03:24:12.890 --> 03:24:14.330 Those were the experts that we selected 03:24:14.330 --> 03:24:15.620 to be part of this group, right? 03:24:15.620 --> 03:24:17.464 Yes, sir. 03:24:17.464 --> 03:24:19.777 All right. 03:24:19.777 --> 03:24:22.163 It seems like we're getting pretty far from, 03:24:23.660 --> 03:24:25.843 what the committees have done. 03:24:26.760 --> 03:24:29.540 While I appreciate some of the members willingness 03:24:30.450 --> 03:24:33.810 to work above and beyond the try to add 03:24:33.810 --> 03:24:35.010 a little more to this. 03:24:35.010 --> 03:24:40.010 I think we need to honor this process 03:24:42.770 --> 03:24:47.770 and respect those folks that have worked a very long time, 03:24:50.020 --> 03:24:51.570 in putting these standards together. 03:24:51.570 --> 03:24:54.743 And trying to keep some of this language in. 03:24:58.790 --> 03:25:00.040 Mr. Mercer? 03:25:01.608 --> 03:25:03.440 Thank you Mr. Chairman, and I won't be labor, 03:25:03.440 --> 03:25:04.583 but that's why I complained about 03:25:04.583 --> 03:25:06.990 some of the things were added later, 03:25:06.990 --> 03:25:09.380 after what I call again, the consensus document. 03:25:09.380 --> 03:25:11.210 But forget about that. 03:25:11.210 --> 03:25:12.900 My expert that I've talked to, 03:25:12.900 --> 03:25:15.680 very clear about consent was what 03:25:15.680 --> 03:25:18.050 was considered a gateway word. 03:25:18.050 --> 03:25:20.080 And then when they talk about interviews that people, 03:25:20.080 --> 03:25:22.623 doctors and neuropsychologists talking to, 03:25:25.060 --> 03:25:28.590 child predators, child, rapists, sex traffickers, 03:25:28.590 --> 03:25:30.287 consent's kind of a funny thing. 03:25:30.287 --> 03:25:33.180 And that's why they suggested that we be careful of consent, 03:25:33.180 --> 03:25:36.760 but we do teach kids about their legal rights, 03:25:36.760 --> 03:25:38.700 about a silent someone violates you, 03:25:38.700 --> 03:25:41.310 or violate your boundaries, which we put in there. 03:25:41.310 --> 03:25:42.907 There's not respect your boundaries, 03:25:42.907 --> 03:25:46.670 and what is illegal, with the definition of consent. 03:25:46.670 --> 03:25:49.350 And the caution was that, that's again, 03:25:49.350 --> 03:25:53.040 a gateway, or red flag word used by other people, 03:25:53.040 --> 03:25:55.050 including predators, including, 03:25:55.050 --> 03:25:56.300 if you will, even NAMBLA 03:25:56.300 --> 03:25:59.270 the North American Man/Boy Love Association, 03:25:59.270 --> 03:26:00.690 and sex traffickers. 03:26:00.690 --> 03:26:03.690 They're saying be very cautious with that. 03:26:03.690 --> 03:26:05.750 And in my experts when I said, "Well, 03:26:05.750 --> 03:26:07.910 can I at least do it in a legal way?" 03:26:07.910 --> 03:26:12.190 I teach a kid the legal rights you have of consent, 03:26:12.190 --> 03:26:13.470 the legal definition. 03:26:13.470 --> 03:26:17.460 So in my words, we passed in seventh to eighth grade, 03:26:17.460 --> 03:26:18.507 and we agreed to bridge that over 03:26:18.507 --> 03:26:20.440 and ducted into health one. 03:26:20.440 --> 03:26:22.230 We've already covered that. 03:26:22.230 --> 03:26:24.380 And giving them the strength they need to know, 03:26:24.380 --> 03:26:27.410 it is wrong to violate your boundaries. 03:26:27.410 --> 03:26:30.510 And here's the law to protect you, I'll stop there. 03:26:30.510 --> 03:26:33.070 Okay, Mr. Cortez. 03:26:33.070 --> 03:26:34.110 Yes, thank you, Mr. Chair. 03:26:34.110 --> 03:26:35.590 Yeah, I just wanna make sure I understood 03:26:35.590 --> 03:26:36.973 member Mercer's statement. 03:26:38.680 --> 03:26:41.320 He said, "Forget about that. 03:26:41.320 --> 03:26:45.480 My experts back home gave me different information." 03:26:45.480 --> 03:26:46.460 Is that correct? 03:26:46.460 --> 03:26:47.350 I mean, (sighs) 03:26:47.350 --> 03:26:48.530 I wish I had to rewind, 03:26:48.530 --> 03:26:49.700 so that I can play what you just said. 03:26:49.700 --> 03:26:51.738 The exact words- We're not 03:26:51.738 --> 03:26:53.810 gonna play this game sir- 03:26:53.810 --> 03:26:55.343 It's not a game. 03:26:56.810 --> 03:26:58.340 Excuse me Mr. Cortez, 03:26:58.340 --> 03:26:59.650 don't end this way. 03:26:59.650 --> 03:27:02.660 Please don't end this way, this is not, it's ... 03:27:02.660 --> 03:27:05.103 Mr. Cortez do you have a big problem? 03:27:06.550 --> 03:27:08.910 I just need to get clarification, Mr. Chair. 03:27:08.910 --> 03:27:10.640 You had nothing (indistinct). 03:27:10.640 --> 03:27:13.230 I was in the middle of speaking, 03:27:13.230 --> 03:27:14.760 until I got brutally in trouble. 03:27:14.760 --> 03:27:16.100 If the two of you are going 03:27:16.100 --> 03:27:17.710 to talk between each other, 03:27:17.710 --> 03:27:19.540 you need to step out in the hall. 03:27:19.540 --> 03:27:23.550 Otherwise you can direct your comments to the body, 03:27:23.550 --> 03:27:24.840 and we can finish up. 03:27:24.840 --> 03:27:27.870 What's been a long arduous meetings, 03:27:27.870 --> 03:27:30.340 within a civil courteous way. 03:27:30.340 --> 03:27:31.614 I still have a question- 03:27:31.614 --> 03:27:33.470 So, Mr. Cortez you can continue. 03:27:33.470 --> 03:27:34.700 My question still stands. 03:27:34.700 --> 03:27:36.420 I just want to make sure that I understood 03:27:36.420 --> 03:27:37.880 what the member said. 03:27:37.880 --> 03:27:39.800 I don't have a rewind button to play, 03:27:39.800 --> 03:27:44.660 but what I heard, from a few stations down, 03:27:44.660 --> 03:27:47.310 was that forget about that. 03:27:47.310 --> 03:27:52.310 In reference to the work groups, long arduous work process, 03:27:52.550 --> 03:27:55.950 because other information was provided to the member, 03:27:55.950 --> 03:27:59.280 from other experts that the member relies on. 03:27:59.280 --> 03:28:04.280 And I'm shocked to hear that from anybody at this table, 03:28:04.320 --> 03:28:06.820 when those people have gone through so much 03:28:06.820 --> 03:28:08.830 to do this work for us. 03:28:08.830 --> 03:28:12.350 So forgive me, if that's bothersome to me, 03:28:12.350 --> 03:28:14.500 and that's unacceptable to some- 03:28:14.500 --> 03:28:15.843 Okay, you've cleard that- 03:28:15.843 --> 03:28:18.610 But that is not correct? Ms. Little? 03:28:18.610 --> 03:28:20.790 It's my understanding that consent 03:28:20.790 --> 03:28:24.520 was not a part of this until work group F. 03:28:24.520 --> 03:28:27.780 So, that meant that it was just a very small work group 03:28:27.780 --> 03:28:29.260 that put this in their. 03:28:29.260 --> 03:28:32.850 Chair, that was not F, it was work group E- 03:28:32.850 --> 03:28:33.683 Work group E. 03:28:33.683 --> 03:28:36.140 So we had been through several already- 03:28:36.140 --> 03:28:39.280 One, work group D was the first work group 03:28:39.280 --> 03:28:41.225 that worked on this particular strands- 03:28:41.225 --> 03:28:42.203 Okay. Work group E 03:28:42.203 --> 03:28:43.036 was in the second. 03:28:43.036 --> 03:28:43.869 Okay. 03:28:43.869 --> 03:28:44.702 So- 03:28:44.702 --> 03:28:45.620 I just wanted to make sure 03:28:45.620 --> 03:28:46.740 that everyone here is clear. 03:28:46.740 --> 03:28:51.740 I think Shelly tried to provide this explanation yesterday. 03:28:53.360 --> 03:28:56.357 And I think that the work groups folks, 03:28:56.357 --> 03:28:57.930 are getting confused. 03:28:57.930 --> 03:28:59.230 You count the number of letters, 03:28:59.230 --> 03:29:01.560 and you think that every one of those work groups 03:29:01.560 --> 03:29:03.147 has seen all of the same language, 03:29:03.147 --> 03:29:05.340 and that's not how the process works. 03:29:05.340 --> 03:29:07.170 The way the process works is that, 03:29:07.170 --> 03:29:09.770 each work group has a separate task. 03:29:09.770 --> 03:29:11.790 And so, we did have instances 03:29:11.790 --> 03:29:12.950 where there were some work groups 03:29:12.950 --> 03:29:16.130 who only worked on certain specific strands. 03:29:16.130 --> 03:29:18.800 So, if you've got a D and an E, 03:29:18.800 --> 03:29:20.970 they could have been looking at the same thing. 03:29:20.970 --> 03:29:24.050 So, that language was actually only viewed one time 03:29:24.050 --> 03:29:26.510 by two separate and distinct groups. 03:29:26.510 --> 03:29:28.750 And so, I think there's been a fair amount 03:29:28.750 --> 03:29:31.830 of confusion around how many times something 03:29:31.830 --> 03:29:33.760 might have changed, or not changed. 03:29:33.760 --> 03:29:35.660 But the way that this worked is, 03:29:35.660 --> 03:29:37.580 we had a lot of different people, 03:29:37.580 --> 03:29:39.150 working on different parts. 03:29:39.150 --> 03:29:43.080 And then we had to get one work group, I believe it was E, 03:29:43.080 --> 03:29:46.173 to look at everything and try and pull it all together. 03:29:47.314 --> 03:29:48.147 Okay So, 03:29:48.147 --> 03:29:52.130 if E's looking at D's work, and C's work, 03:29:52.130 --> 03:29:54.670 they were looking at it in its entirety, 03:29:54.670 --> 03:29:56.490 as opposed to in the parts and pieces 03:29:56.490 --> 03:29:58.490 that it had been earlier in the process. 03:29:59.653 --> 03:30:00.486 Okay. 03:30:00.486 --> 03:30:02.440 All right, I should have called on Mr. Mercer because, 03:30:02.440 --> 03:30:03.960 there were comments directed towards him. 03:30:03.960 --> 03:30:05.062 So Mr. Mercer you- 03:30:05.062 --> 03:30:09.260 First, I publicly apologized to Mr. Cortez for my anger. 03:30:09.260 --> 03:30:10.700 This has been a very tough week, 03:30:10.700 --> 03:30:14.130 but when I said, was it again. 03:30:14.130 --> 03:30:17.540 It was at first, it came up more group E. 03:30:17.540 --> 03:30:20.810 So to what Monica is saying either way, either opinion. 03:30:20.810 --> 03:30:21.940 It wasn't the whole way through, 03:30:21.940 --> 03:30:24.452 but it appeared it wasn't like we'd gone through six groups 03:30:24.452 --> 03:30:26.050 and this was there. 03:30:26.050 --> 03:30:28.450 But he came to our group E. 03:30:28.450 --> 03:30:31.077 But when I said, but that doesn't matter my opinion, 03:30:31.077 --> 03:30:33.870 and where they came, doesn't matter where it came. 03:30:33.870 --> 03:30:37.450 It came as an E or F you know what? 03:30:37.450 --> 03:30:39.680 I'll be very honest, it's a very important word. 03:30:39.680 --> 03:30:41.250 The planned parenthood in their friends. 03:30:41.250 --> 03:30:43.080 I've seen the articles, I've seen online. 03:30:43.080 --> 03:30:44.787 I've seen the websites, that we get sent. 03:30:44.787 --> 03:30:47.440 It's a very important term to them, 03:30:47.440 --> 03:30:50.550 but I was cautioned, by experts who've been in the field, 03:30:50.550 --> 03:30:52.300 who work with people in prisons, 03:30:52.300 --> 03:30:53.510 who work with pedophiles, 03:30:53.510 --> 03:30:56.120 who worked with interviewed NAMBLA other places, 03:30:56.120 --> 03:30:58.100 it's a gateway word. 03:30:58.100 --> 03:31:00.670 And if you're gonna use it, use it in the legal contents, 03:31:00.670 --> 03:31:02.730 where the kids to understand legally, 03:31:02.730 --> 03:31:04.720 what rights they have? 03:31:04.720 --> 03:31:06.810 In which this board did, and we introduced that. 03:31:06.810 --> 03:31:09.010 So again, I apologize Mr. Cortez, 03:31:09.010 --> 03:31:11.170 but this isn't a very important word. 03:31:11.170 --> 03:31:15.060 And we covered that to get the kids, 03:31:15.060 --> 03:31:16.860 in seventh and eighth grade, 03:31:16.860 --> 03:31:18.730 and in high school health, one, 03:31:18.730 --> 03:31:20.040 the strength they need to know. 03:31:20.040 --> 03:31:24.430 No one has the right to violate your space, your rights, 03:31:24.430 --> 03:31:26.480 and here's the law to support you. 03:31:26.480 --> 03:31:27.400 Okay. Thank you. 03:31:27.400 --> 03:31:28.786 Ms. Hardy. 03:31:28.786 --> 03:31:30.452 Call question. You sure can. 03:31:30.452 --> 03:31:31.285 (indistinct). 03:31:31.285 --> 03:31:32.289 Okay. 03:31:32.289 --> 03:31:33.418 The question has been called. 03:31:33.418 --> 03:31:34.430 Second. 03:31:34.430 --> 03:31:35.610 Second, okay. 03:31:35.610 --> 03:31:40.257 So, now texted two thirds vote to cease debate, 03:31:41.710 --> 03:31:44.520 by virtue of the question and go directly to vote. 03:31:44.520 --> 03:31:46.930 All in favor of calling the question 03:31:46.930 --> 03:31:48.380 signify by raising your hand. 03:31:50.194 --> 03:31:53.527 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, 03:31:54.960 --> 03:31:57.540 I'll vote in favor too, eight. 03:31:57.540 --> 03:31:59.333 All opposed, same sign. 03:32:00.300 --> 03:32:03.170 One, two, three, four- Four. 03:32:03.170 --> 03:32:04.003 Eight to four. 03:32:04.003 --> 03:32:06.330 I do (indistinct) two thirds vote. 03:32:06.330 --> 03:32:07.514 Two thirds vote, of- 03:32:07.514 --> 03:32:09.737 (indistinct) twice as many in favor as opposed. 03:32:09.737 --> 03:32:10.850 So there you go. 03:32:10.850 --> 03:32:12.553 Okay (laughs) 03:32:12.553 --> 03:32:14.060 (indistinct). 03:32:14.060 --> 03:32:17.820 All right, and so we're now proceed to the vote. 03:32:17.820 --> 03:32:22.820 All in favor of K, as a proposed, 03:32:23.050 --> 03:32:25.600 identify what qualifies as clear 03:32:25.600 --> 03:32:27.767 and legal consent to physical activity, 03:32:27.767 --> 03:32:30.100 please indicate by raising your hand. 03:32:30.100 --> 03:32:32.246 If you're in favor of that. 03:32:32.246 --> 03:32:34.463 One, two, three, four. 03:32:34.463 --> 03:32:35.296 Four. 03:32:35.296 --> 03:32:37.765 Four, all opposed, same sign. 03:32:37.765 --> 03:32:42.100 One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, and I'll eight. 03:32:42.100 --> 03:32:44.430 And I'll vote on that, I suppose not. 03:32:44.430 --> 03:32:47.243 Okay, so the motion fails for tonight. 03:32:48.560 --> 03:32:51.830 Mr. Ellis, please (laughs) 03:32:53.830 --> 03:32:56.647 I'd like to have the gavel on (laughing) 03:32:56.647 --> 03:32:57.870 (indistinct) (laughing) 03:32:57.870 --> 03:33:00.670 Is there any other motions from members? 03:33:00.670 --> 03:33:01.704 Ms. Perez? 03:33:01.704 --> 03:33:03.470 Thank you. 03:33:03.470 --> 03:33:08.350 Okay, Ms. Kay, if you can help me to remember, 03:33:08.350 --> 03:33:10.840 I believe this may have already been done, 03:33:10.840 --> 03:33:14.517 health one Chapter one 15.385 B. 03:33:14.517 --> 03:33:18.323 And I think I have the number, correct. 03:33:22.830 --> 03:33:27.830 Excellent, analyze how, adverse childhood experiences, 03:33:30.607 --> 03:33:35.607 bran activity, how to recognize negative events 03:33:36.090 --> 03:33:37.380 Oh, good, then we did do that one. 03:33:37.380 --> 03:33:40.813 Then my last one is sixth grade, 22B. 03:34:07.647 --> 03:34:10.660 (indistinct). 03:34:10.660 --> 03:34:12.067 I know. 03:34:12.067 --> 03:34:14.340 (indistinct) (laughs) 03:34:14.340 --> 03:34:17.633 So is administration gone everywhere? 03:34:18.572 --> 03:34:19.620 Because (indistinct) (laughs) 03:34:19.620 --> 03:34:21.234 She looked at three of the five. 03:34:21.234 --> 03:34:25.103 Okay, which grade is it in? 03:34:25.103 --> 03:34:26.180 (laughing) 03:34:26.180 --> 03:34:27.740 I'm not asking to put it in anywhere. 03:34:27.740 --> 03:34:30.240 I'm just asking for where it currently is located. 03:34:35.630 --> 03:34:38.630 Well, I think talking about menstruation once is sufficient, 03:34:40.076 --> 03:34:41.453 but I just want to know where it is. 03:34:42.337 --> 03:34:46.004 (indistinct). 03:34:50.337 --> 03:34:55.337 Or is not that we (indistinct). 03:34:59.526 --> 03:35:00.693 Oh, I'm sorry. 03:35:02.180 --> 03:35:03.380 In sixth grade, 03:35:03.380 --> 03:35:06.540 you amended 22B to say, describe the purpose, 03:35:06.540 --> 03:35:09.520 characteristics and variations of the menstrual cycle. 03:35:09.520 --> 03:35:13.090 Right, and so my requested revision, 03:35:13.090 --> 03:35:15.683 if we can find it. 03:35:16.870 --> 03:35:20.330 Members, I would like to change the word purpose, 03:35:20.330 --> 03:35:21.913 to process. 03:35:24.039 --> 03:35:25.610 Second. 03:35:25.610 --> 03:35:27.160 We have a motion and a second, 03:35:27.160 --> 03:35:28.623 do we have any discussion? 03:35:29.842 --> 03:35:31.389 It seems like we do. 03:35:31.389 --> 03:35:32.337 Yes. We have 03:35:32.337 --> 03:35:33.800 a discussing that seems like a good change. 03:35:33.800 --> 03:35:34.950 Is there any objection? 03:35:36.290 --> 03:35:37.379 Hearing none the motion carries. 03:35:37.379 --> 03:35:39.674 Thank you, thank you, thank you. (laughs) 03:35:39.674 --> 03:35:43.266 Any other amendments Ms. Perez? 03:35:43.266 --> 03:35:45.040 You have any? 03:35:45.040 --> 03:35:45.873 Mr. Chair, 03:35:45.873 --> 03:35:48.700 if I could, on the amendment 03:35:48.700 --> 03:35:53.700 that Ms. Perez was just asking about for five B, 03:35:54.760 --> 03:35:56.950 analyze how adverse childhood experiences, 03:35:56.950 --> 03:35:58.060 such as abuse, neglect, 03:35:58.060 --> 03:36:00.100 and trauma can influence brain development. 03:36:00.100 --> 03:36:02.120 And how to capitalize on negative events 03:36:02.120 --> 03:36:04.413 for overall mental health and wellness. 03:36:05.270 --> 03:36:09.253 Last night, you changed, capitalize on, 03:36:11.030 --> 03:36:12.520 you changed it to, 03:36:12.520 --> 03:36:16.640 how to recognize process and overcome negative events. 03:36:16.640 --> 03:36:19.517 (indistinct) they applied to. 03:36:19.517 --> 03:36:21.542 Did we apply that across? 03:36:21.542 --> 03:36:22.375 Yes we did- 03:36:22.375 --> 03:36:23.321 Thank you. [Ms. Bahorich] I thought so. 03:36:23.321 --> 03:36:24.490 Yes ma'am. 03:36:24.490 --> 03:36:26.348 Thank you, Ms. Shelley. 03:36:26.348 --> 03:36:28.681 (murmuring) 03:36:35.850 --> 03:36:37.250 We good there? 03:36:38.400 --> 03:36:39.620 All right, Ms. Shelly- (indistinct). 03:36:39.620 --> 03:36:41.440 Okay, that's all you had. 03:36:41.440 --> 03:36:44.568 I think that brings us back to the main motion. 03:36:44.568 --> 03:36:45.734 Oh, yeah. 03:36:45.734 --> 03:36:46.567 We have one more course. 03:36:46.567 --> 03:36:48.650 We have one more course. 03:36:48.650 --> 03:36:49.920 I'm not gonna do that one. 03:36:49.920 --> 03:36:52.470 We have to do (indistinct)- 03:36:52.470 --> 03:36:55.750 I've had no indication of any amendment 03:36:55.750 --> 03:36:57.640 from members on the new course. 03:36:57.640 --> 03:37:00.140 Staff did you have any comments on the new course? 03:37:07.170 --> 03:37:09.316 I believe I have two. 03:37:09.316 --> 03:37:12.066 (paper flipping) 03:37:22.350 --> 03:37:23.690 Actually, no, sir. 03:37:23.690 --> 03:37:26.470 We had a conversation about one of the student expectations, 03:37:26.470 --> 03:37:29.780 but we will have to get some clarification 03:37:29.780 --> 03:37:31.050 from work group members 03:37:31.050 --> 03:37:34.927 on how they might propose correcting it. 03:37:34.927 --> 03:37:35.760 Okay. 03:37:35.760 --> 03:37:36.593 So no comments on it. 03:37:36.593 --> 03:37:37.490 Okay, thank you. 03:37:37.490 --> 03:37:38.370 So, do we rearrange the motion, 03:37:38.370 --> 03:37:39.823 or is it already there? 03:37:41.274 --> 03:37:42.765 So the motion is there. 03:37:42.765 --> 03:37:45.843 We have to make it (indistinct) to adopt it. 03:37:46.697 --> 03:37:48.340 Yeah. 03:37:48.340 --> 03:37:53.340 So, the motion is to approve, 03:37:55.850 --> 03:37:58.100 for first reading and falling authorization, 03:37:58.100 --> 03:38:00.800 proposed New 19 TAC Chapter 115 texts, 03:38:00.800 --> 03:38:03.099 Essential Knowledge and Skills for Health Education. 03:38:03.099 --> 03:38:06.146 So, Chapter eight elementary, 115.113 03:38:06.146 --> 03:38:08.950 though 115.17 sub charpter B, middle school, 03:38:08.950 --> 03:38:12.210 115.25, through 115.28 and Subchapter C, 03:38:12.210 --> 03:38:17.210 high school, 115.37, through 115.39, as amended. 03:38:19.277 --> 03:38:21.110 All right, all those in favor, 03:38:21.110 --> 03:38:22.410 show by raising your hand. 03:38:28.376 --> 03:38:29.209 10. 03:38:29.209 --> 03:38:31.290 All those opposed by the same sign? 03:38:31.290 --> 03:38:34.023 The motion carries on a 10 to zero vote. 03:38:36.320 --> 03:38:38.190 All right, that concludes at that. 03:38:38.190 --> 03:38:40.505 Can we take a minute to thank staff? 03:38:40.505 --> 03:38:41.338 (laughing) 03:38:41.338 --> 03:38:43.846 Thank you. (clapping) 03:38:43.846 --> 03:38:45.218 (laughs) (clapping) 03:38:45.218 --> 03:38:46.559 Yeah, I want- 03:38:46.559 --> 03:38:47.392 (indistinct) long is (indistinct) (clapping) 03:38:47.392 --> 03:38:48.780 sub grade (laughing) 03:38:48.780 --> 03:38:50.470 Does this matter in your applause help so. 03:38:50.470 --> 03:38:53.350 No, I ...(laughing) 03:38:53.350 --> 03:38:55.610 along the same lines of what I brought out 03:38:55.610 --> 03:38:57.160 on the charter staff, 03:38:57.160 --> 03:39:00.360 I think that was probably only superseded, 03:39:00.360 --> 03:39:02.610 by the work of y'all. 03:39:02.610 --> 03:39:05.240 You normally have a whole team in the building, 03:39:05.240 --> 03:39:08.330 just a small handful of you have accomplished, 03:39:08.330 --> 03:39:09.513 probably more in four days, 03:39:09.513 --> 03:39:12.373 than I've accomplished in four days anytime recently. 03:39:13.470 --> 03:39:17.953 So hats off to you, thank you very, very much to everyone. 03:39:18.810 --> 03:39:20.820 That's helped us get to the point where we are today. 03:39:20.820 --> 03:39:22.300 So I don't think we say that enough, 03:39:22.300 --> 03:39:24.600 but wanna throw that out. 03:39:24.600 --> 03:39:25.433 All right. 03:39:25.433 --> 03:39:27.980 Any reports for committees regarding agenda items, 03:39:27.980 --> 03:39:30.710 or reports from other state board members, 03:39:30.710 --> 03:39:32.770 on any educational activities. 03:39:32.770 --> 03:39:36.063 Or anything going on in the individual districts? 03:39:37.848 --> 03:39:39.561 (laughing) Members I want to thank you all. 03:39:39.561 --> 03:39:42.120 No matter how we look at it. 03:39:42.120 --> 03:39:45.163 I think we've met almost 50 hours in four days. 03:39:46.340 --> 03:39:49.560 We accomplished a tremendous amount. 03:39:49.560 --> 03:39:51.900 This is where the works to be done in the first reading. 03:39:51.900 --> 03:39:53.490 So, we're not doing this in second reading. 03:39:53.490 --> 03:39:54.820 That's why this was so important. 03:39:54.820 --> 03:39:56.560 So, I wanna thank all the members 03:39:56.560 --> 03:39:58.500 for all the work they've done to get us to this. 03:39:58.500 --> 03:39:59.390 Chairman? 03:39:59.390 --> 03:40:00.223 Yes ma'am. 03:40:00.223 --> 03:40:03.450 I'm sorry, Shelly made a really good point. 03:40:03.450 --> 03:40:07.850 Just that, the reminder that your operating rules 03:40:07.850 --> 03:40:10.940 have language about presenting amendments, 03:40:10.940 --> 03:40:15.880 to your colleagues in advance, at second reading. 03:40:15.880 --> 03:40:20.240 And to the extent that you would be willing, 03:40:20.240 --> 03:40:23.810 it is tremendously helpful for us, for Kay, 03:40:23.810 --> 03:40:26.570 and for our staff to have amendments in advance, 03:40:26.570 --> 03:40:30.560 so that we can start working on capturing the language, 03:40:30.560 --> 03:40:31.610 so that you can see it. 03:40:31.610 --> 03:40:35.200 And so that we can add that to the minutes. 03:40:35.200 --> 03:40:37.500 I do think it's going to be really important that, 03:40:37.500 --> 03:40:40.520 we be in a position to give you rule text, 03:40:40.520 --> 03:40:41.570 at second reading. 03:40:41.570 --> 03:40:44.900 So any work we could do to in advance of that 03:40:44.900 --> 03:40:47.210 to prepare, I think will be helpful, 03:40:47.210 --> 03:40:49.080 in making sure that you have what you need 03:40:49.080 --> 03:40:50.170 for your final vote. 03:40:50.170 --> 03:40:53.043 The appropriate time to have amendments in would be. 03:40:54.250 --> 03:40:55.800 Do you remember? 03:40:55.800 --> 03:40:58.750 So, the written amendments, 03:40:58.750 --> 03:41:02.770 have to be noon the day before you take final action. 03:41:02.770 --> 03:41:05.773 So, that would be no later than noon on Thursday. 03:41:07.580 --> 03:41:08.660 But- I'll figure- 03:41:08.660 --> 03:41:10.970 We would love to see them in advance, 03:41:10.970 --> 03:41:12.313 as early as possible. 03:41:13.539 --> 03:41:17.290 We try to (indistinct). 03:41:17.290 --> 03:41:19.070 So to make it easy, 03:41:19.070 --> 03:41:21.740 the easiest we can for you all, 03:41:21.740 --> 03:41:25.310 how about you all tell us, by when you need them? 03:41:25.310 --> 03:41:26.143 Can you? 03:41:27.028 --> 03:41:31.320 I just don't want to make it difficult for all (laughs) 03:41:31.320 --> 03:41:32.550 In an ideal world. 03:41:32.550 --> 03:41:33.800 Anything that we have, 03:41:33.800 --> 03:41:37.200 like the Friday before your meeting would be great. 03:41:37.200 --> 03:41:39.210 Anything that we have at the start of the meeting. 03:41:39.210 --> 03:41:43.943 So like this time around Mrs. Bahorich gave us a document, 03:41:44.870 --> 03:41:47.460 and we were actually able to capture. 03:41:47.460 --> 03:41:51.550 So, Kay and I were working in advance yesterday, 03:41:51.550 --> 03:41:54.060 to try to get you ready for today. 03:41:54.060 --> 03:41:54.893 Okay. 03:41:54.893 --> 03:41:56.290 So just any of that, that we have, 03:41:56.290 --> 03:41:58.110 we can give that to our minute takers. 03:41:58.110 --> 03:41:59.820 It helps us to be, 03:41:59.820 --> 03:42:01.650 I think, a little bit more accurate. 03:42:01.650 --> 03:42:02.600 Okay. 03:42:02.600 --> 03:42:04.060 So, I would say we'd take them 03:42:04.060 --> 03:42:06.260 anytime in advance. 03:42:06.260 --> 03:42:08.900 It doesn't have to be weeks by any means. 03:42:08.900 --> 03:42:09.733 (indistinct). 03:42:09.733 --> 03:42:11.710 Chair. Yeah. 03:42:11.710 --> 03:42:12.900 Chairman Ellis, I was gonna ask, 03:42:12.900 --> 03:42:14.173 if we can just, 03:42:15.420 --> 03:42:18.030 as a professional courtesy to Monica and Shelley, 03:42:18.030 --> 03:42:18.863 who worked really hard, (giggles) 03:42:18.863 --> 03:42:21.070 can we just commit to getting 03:42:21.070 --> 03:42:23.210 whatever recommendations we're gonna make 03:42:23.210 --> 03:42:24.990 by that Friday before the meeting? 03:42:24.990 --> 03:42:27.200 I think that's an excellent idea. 03:42:27.200 --> 03:42:28.620 Mr. Cortez. 03:42:28.620 --> 03:42:30.510 Yeah, and on that same line, 03:42:30.510 --> 03:42:33.710 as to courtesy to staff also, 03:42:33.710 --> 03:42:36.840 if we know this, our next meeting is gonna go longer, 03:42:36.840 --> 03:42:37.743 add a day. 03:42:38.740 --> 03:42:41.110 I mean, add a day. 03:42:41.110 --> 03:42:43.254 We added two. 03:42:43.254 --> 03:42:44.537 Add two days, see, there you go. 03:42:44.537 --> 03:42:46.386 No, we add just, 03:42:46.386 --> 03:42:48.510 I wanna say Dr. Ellis really tried 03:42:48.510 --> 03:42:50.630 to be thoughtful about this. 03:42:50.630 --> 03:42:51.800 When are the things that he did 03:42:51.800 --> 03:42:53.730 that we hadn't talked about is, 03:42:53.730 --> 03:42:56.760 as we were planning the 2021 dates, 03:42:56.760 --> 03:42:59.720 he was pretty adamant that we not schedule a meeting, 03:42:59.720 --> 03:43:01.540 up against the holiday. 03:43:01.540 --> 03:43:05.340 So, the challenge that we had was that Monday was Labor Day. 03:43:05.340 --> 03:43:09.490 And so we took the four days that we had this week, 03:43:09.490 --> 03:43:12.030 but that's why we added the two days last week. 03:43:12.030 --> 03:43:15.203 So we actually ended up with a six-day meeting, 03:43:17.100 --> 03:43:18.980 instead of a three day meeting. 03:43:18.980 --> 03:43:21.860 And I mean, what you all don't know is, 03:43:21.860 --> 03:43:24.050 I think your chairman was working really hard, 03:43:24.050 --> 03:43:26.360 to try to make this week work 03:43:26.360 --> 03:43:28.400 as well as possible for you all. 03:43:28.400 --> 03:43:30.270 There was a lot of behind the scenes planning there. 03:43:30.270 --> 03:43:34.010 Yeah, and in looking at the November calendar, 03:43:34.010 --> 03:43:36.053 they mostly seem like three day. 03:43:36.930 --> 03:43:38.323 I don't know what ... 03:43:38.323 --> 03:43:39.840 I'm sorry, next year's calendar. 03:43:39.840 --> 03:43:42.210 I mean, that was on our agenda. 03:43:42.210 --> 03:43:43.350 Most of them seem like three-day, 03:43:43.350 --> 03:43:45.360 I don't know how tough that will be, 03:43:45.360 --> 03:43:49.120 but it seems like November is gonna be similar to this. 03:43:49.120 --> 03:43:54.120 And so, if you know, in the event that it is, 03:43:54.450 --> 03:43:55.900 and we're gonna have a lot of testimony, 03:43:55.900 --> 03:43:57.840 I'd hate for us as a board 03:43:57.840 --> 03:44:01.640 to cut off 200 people on one topic, 100 on another. 03:44:01.640 --> 03:44:03.650 I mean, they wanna listen to us. 03:44:03.650 --> 03:44:05.330 They want to be heard. 03:44:05.330 --> 03:44:06.860 We should be able to listen to them, 03:44:06.860 --> 03:44:08.640 even if that means adding a day or two. 03:44:08.640 --> 03:44:09.770 So a couple of things, 03:44:09.770 --> 03:44:11.610 that three days was me. 03:44:11.610 --> 03:44:13.500 I didn't want to commit you all to four days 03:44:13.500 --> 03:44:15.010 if it's not necessary, 03:44:15.010 --> 03:44:17.760 you can always extend to four or five days. 03:44:17.760 --> 03:44:20.620 The second thing that we probably need for folks to remember 03:44:20.620 --> 03:44:23.370 is you've had your two public hearings. 03:44:23.370 --> 03:44:25.960 You always have two public hearings related to text review, 03:44:25.960 --> 03:44:27.840 and you've had those already. 03:44:27.840 --> 03:44:30.060 So there won't be a public hearing, 03:44:30.060 --> 03:44:32.190 on this topic in November. 03:44:32.190 --> 03:44:34.057 Yeeeah! (giggling) 03:44:34.057 --> 03:44:37.410 And I would just add for, 03:44:37.410 --> 03:44:39.690 at least for purposes of some of our schedules, 03:44:39.690 --> 03:44:42.220 like I've already noted my calendar. 03:44:42.220 --> 03:44:43.630 As I was sitting here this week, 03:44:43.630 --> 03:44:45.810 for all the dates for next year. 03:44:45.810 --> 03:44:49.010 For me, it's easier to put four days in today, 03:44:49.010 --> 03:44:50.590 than to take out a day. 03:44:50.590 --> 03:44:52.130 Than to have to add a day later on, 03:44:52.130 --> 03:44:55.450 if something comes up prior to or after. 03:44:55.450 --> 03:44:57.170 But- Yeah, Mr. Chair- 03:44:57.170 --> 03:45:00.080 And just one more point with respect to, 03:45:00.080 --> 03:45:02.230 yes, we've already had our public hearings. 03:45:03.336 --> 03:45:07.050 I think that that puts Texans at an unfair advantage 03:45:07.050 --> 03:45:08.160 that weren't heard. 03:45:08.160 --> 03:45:10.070 If we don't give them another opportunity 03:45:10.070 --> 03:45:12.113 in November to be heard. One last thing, 03:45:12.113 --> 03:45:13.860 they do have still a chance 03:45:13.860 --> 03:45:17.390 to give testimony before the agenda item, 03:45:17.390 --> 03:45:21.650 as we always do, we leave the number of days open. 03:45:21.650 --> 03:45:24.680 We can move additional days of November. 03:45:24.680 --> 03:45:26.000 Staff and I we'll look at that, 03:45:26.000 --> 03:45:27.440 on how many days are appropriate. 03:45:27.440 --> 03:45:29.283 That's the normal way it's done. 03:45:30.360 --> 03:45:32.250 So that's that. 03:45:32.250 --> 03:45:33.920 And with that, we are adjourned. 03:45:33.920 --> 03:45:34.903 (hitting the gavel) 03:45:34.903 --> 03:45:37.236 (murmuring)