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Welcome to the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board.
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This is the board meeting
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on this day, Wednesday, April 14th, 2021.
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Welcome everyone to the second virtual board meeting
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of the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board.
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We are going to spend the next few minutes going
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over the technology that will be used
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during the meeting so that we can all start today's meeting
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understanding the technology
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and be prepared to participate in the meeting.
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A summary of the interaction methods can be found
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on today's agenda, which is on
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the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board website
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www.cpusi.ca.gov/wsab.
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This meeting is being live broadcast
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at the normal CPC live broadcast location,
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adminmonitor.com/ca/cpuc.
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To interact with the board during the meeting,
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we have a phone number and an operator on standby
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to cue the line.
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The call-in number is listed on the agenda.
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The phone number is +1 800-857-1917
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and the passcode is 1767567.
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When you join the call, you will be in listen only mode.
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If you'd like to participate during the public comment,
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please press star one on the phone
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and you'll be added to the public comment queue
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and called upon during the meeting
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with the assistance of the operator.
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There will be a public comment period at the beginning
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of the meeting.
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The public comment will also be received
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at the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board email inbox
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and that address is,
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wildfiresafetyadvisoryboard@cpuc.ca.gov.
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Comments received there will be read into the record
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if they can be read in under three minutes.
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If you have any additional questions
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or trouble accessing the technology
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please email the public advisor
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and that's public.adviser@cpuc.ca.gov
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or you can give them a call at (866) 849-8390.
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And I will pass it over to Vice Chair, Fellman.
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Thank you, Catherine.
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I want to welcome everyone to our meeting and now we will...
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I'm gonna call the meeting to order.
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Today is 14th 2021.
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As we've said, this is the second meeting
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of the California Wildfire Safety Advisory Board.
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My name's Diane Fellman.
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I am Vice Chair of the board and I will be chairing
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the meeting until our chair, Marcie Edwards arrives.
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I'd like to first of all, thank all my colleagues
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for being here today and participating
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and for all the hard work that you've done
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to get us to this meeting.
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I'd like to turn the meeting now over to our staff person,
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our advisor Leah Herald to lead us in
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the pledge of allegiance.
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Thank you, Vice Chair, Fellman
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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States
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of America and to the Republic
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for which it stands, one nation under God
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indivisible with Liberty and justice for all.
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Now I turn the meeting over to Catherine Stockton
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for our safety moment.
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Catherine, you're on mute.
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Could you please unmute?
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Thank you.
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Let me go to the next slide
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it'll be a slide with a picture of a lung on it.
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Very beautiful or perfect.
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Thank you.
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As the COVID-19 pandemic continues,
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most of us face more stress than ever before.
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Many of us work from home so the boundaries
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between our home and work life has blurred.
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Many experience Zoom fatigue.
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Recognizing these challenges,
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please take a couple of minutes to breathe
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and let go of any stress you might feel in this moment.
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Next slide please.
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We are doing our best to make this meeting
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as accessible as possible.
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All of the information about this meeting
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can be found on the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board website
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and that again, that is cpc.ca.gov/wsab.
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Links to all the documents that we'll be discussing today
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including the agenda, the revised recommendations
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and the PowerPoint presentation are all available
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on the website.
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And I will pass it off to Vice Chair Fellman.
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Thank you, Catherine.
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First, we're gonna start going over today's agenda
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so could we please have that slide.
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Momentarily we're going to begin our meeting
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with public comments so anyone who is on the line
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be prepared to unmute your phone
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and make your presence known to the operator.
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After public comment, we will discuss and vote on
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the minutes from the March 3rd, 2021 board meeting.
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And following that, we're going to have a presentation
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from a representative of the Wildfire Safety Division
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on their activities.
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After these presentations we will take a stretch break
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and a brief recess.
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After that the board will present its draft recommendations
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on the 2021 wildfire mitigation plan updates
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for the large investor owned utilities.
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We have published that material on our website.
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If you would like to access the document in real time.
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Following that, all of the board members will discuss
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their recommendations on those updates
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and after a discussion, we will vote on
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those recommendations and that vote will signal
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our endorsement of the recommendations
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with the exception of any members
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who may want to have a concurrence or otherwise.
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And we will forward that to the Wildfire Safety Division
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for consideration and their review of the sufficiency
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of the 2021 IOU updates.
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Finally, once we make it through all of this
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we will adjourn the meeting.
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Before we get started on the business of the day,
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I'd like to call upon any of the board members
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who would like to make general opening comments
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at this time.
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If you would like to do so, please either raise your hand
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or signify in the chat box
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that you would like to speak now.
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Hearing none, let's get down to the business of the day
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and we're going to first open up the telephone lines
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and move to our public comment.
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If you'd like to participate in today's public comment
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as Ms. Stockton said, the phone number is +1 800-857-1917
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and the passcode is 1767567.
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Please press star one on your phone to get in the queue.
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I will now call on the operator.
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Is the line open?
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The public comment line is now open.
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Our first speaker is Nancy Macy.
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Your line is open.
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Thank you.
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Good morning, Chair Edwards and members of the board.
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I'm Nancy Macey, Chair of the Valley Women's Clubs
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and Environmental Committee for the San Lorenzo Valley.
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That's a tongue twister.
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You have acknowledged our participation in the past
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and we are very grateful for the additions you have made.
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The main point I would like to stress is that PG and E
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is being allowed to retain outdated unsafe infrastructure
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in both transmission lines and distribution lines.
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These ongoing failures to modernize are an emergency
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that must be addressed quickly.
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There are two aspects we hope you will add
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to strengthen your newly revised document.
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First is the failure of the CPUUC itself to update GO 95
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and the other regulations affecting infrastructure
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thus allowing for a small example, the 22,000 miles
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of antiquated (indistinct)
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their multiple spliced copper wire
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to continue to threaten cities and towns and rural areas
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and most especially high fire threat districts.
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That's just one example.
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Please point their dereliction
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of responsibility out to them.
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Second, is to mandate that PG and E
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specifically, massively speed up it's hardening,
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not simply to explore further.
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That is a guarantee for ongoing wildfires
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and inadequate mitigation attempts
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of things like public safety power shutoffs
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and enhanced vegetation management,
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neither of which will prevent these wildfires.
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Again, this is an emergency and we hope you will address
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that very truth.
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Our stress is not due to COVID
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but to PG and E's egregiously failing
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to a upgrade its infrastructure and it's environmentally
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destructive actions that are continuing.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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I just want to mention a distinction
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that we had to draw on the part of the board
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and I want to point it out to the members
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of the public and other stakeholders who may be listening.
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That in this set of recommendations, we are commenting
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and making suggestions to the Wildfires Safety Division
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with respect to the 2021 IOU updates.
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As soon as we complete this task
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we are going to be developing recommendations
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for inclusion in the investor on utilities 2022 updates
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and suggesting revisions to the guidelines.
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So thank you for comments with respect
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to those types of issues as well.
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So if they are not included in this round
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of recommendations, please be aware that we are going
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to the next year's guidelines and contents
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and we will be adopting those in June of this year.
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May we please have the next speaker?
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The next speaker is Shana Nadavadi
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Your line is open.
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Please begin.
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Please go ahead.
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Hi there.
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My name is Shana Nadavadi
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and I'm a researcher with the local Clean Energy Alliance.
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Some of the points that stood out to me
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on these recommendations was that the IOUs
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aren't currently providing information
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on their modeling assumptions
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and this directly impacts how they decide to shut off power
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that a lot of elderly and disabled folks across the state
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need to literally survive.
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So this really tells me that PG and E
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specifically their 2021 wildfire mitigation plan update
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is clearly inadequate.
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A lot of the data that is used to inform the IOU's
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decisions is also not being made publicly available.
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We need a lot more transparency
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and ultimately enhanced reporting
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and oversight is also necessary of this utility.
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Another thing that I noticed was that the overall language
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of these recommendations uses a lot of should, you know
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that wildfire safety division should request
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or should ask the IOUs to do better.
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And only one instance do you all say that
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the Wildfire Safety Division should order a utility
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to do something and there needs to be
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a lot more ordering going on
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because we are tired of asking nicely.
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So I would say that the advisory board
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needs to tell the Wildfire Safety Division
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not to approve PD and E's 2021
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wildfire mitigation plan update
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because they, along with the other IOUs
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are not meeting reporting requirements among other things.
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And whether or not these recommendations today are approved,
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you all do need to demand more transparency
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using stronger language in these and future recommendations
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advising the Wildfire Safety Division to order the IOUs
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to do everything in their ability
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to finally stop murdering Californians.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Next public speaker.
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Our next speaker is Will Abrams.
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Abrams, go ahead please.
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Thanks very much.
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Good afternoon.
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My name is Willie Abrams.
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I'm a party to a number of the different proceedings
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around wildfire mitigation.
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and I wanna thank the Wildfire Safety Board
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for their revised comments and recommendations
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on the utility wildfire mitigation plans.
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These are critically important documents
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that in many ways describe the degree
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to which our residents across California
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will or will not be safe from utility ignited wildfires
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over the next eight plus months.
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That said, I wanted to bring to the board's attention
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a few items that are less apparent
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from the review of these plans.
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The first point is that the efficacy
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of these plans is undermined
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due to the lack of transparency surrounding
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the CAL FIRE reports that are critical
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for our ability to make improvements
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in these wildfire mitigation plans.
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We're caught in this vicious cycle
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where these reports are leveraged by the utilities
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and other parties as bargaining chips
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towards financial ends.
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In exchange for greater dollar seller
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mints reports are revised and information is buried
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out of sight with an inability for parties
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and utilities to leverage the information contained
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in these reports to increase our safety and security.
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Very directly we are bargaining away our safety
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in exchange for short term payouts.
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The second point is that the investors
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in our utilities have come to an understanding
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that they can escape the accountability associated
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with safety plans.
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And that is really baked in.
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This is why the stock price remains high.
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As PG and E as an example,
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faces increased criminal charges,
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increased regulatory restrictions and civil suits.
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Shareholders have grown accustomed to PG and E's
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proven ability to buy down several settlements
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in civil suits, influence stakeholders
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towards PG and E beneficial outcomes
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and to avoid any regulatory entanglements
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through waived fines, rubber stamped safety certifications
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amidst growing criminal and regulatory safety violations.
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This environment allows for excuses and claims
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of ignorance to suffice where it real wildfire
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mitigation should take place.
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PG and E has conveniently misappropriated
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the risk term black Swan throughout
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their wildfire mitigation plan,
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throughout their pleadings
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in Judge Olson's court
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and in other CQC proceedings.
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To say they couldn't possibly have known about problems
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with jumpers and PSPS management issues
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that contributed to the Kincade fire
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and couldn't have known about
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the Zogg Fire Vegetation Management
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and inappropriate use of wind data.
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The point here is simple,
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in the vacuum left to a lack of accountability
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in civil criminal and regulatory proceedings,
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utilities like PG and E are able to substitute
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these black Swan excuses
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for the types of mitigations we need.
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We need to require that the utility specifically map
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and address failures from past fires.
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Almost universally across the WMPs,
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our utilities don't even mention the fires
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that they have caused to date and neither the Commission
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or the Wildfires Safety--
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Your three minutes have passed.
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Is it possible to wrap up in about 30 more seconds?
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Yes, I will do that.
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I apologize.
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Thank you.
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No problem.
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Thanks. Yeah. So the important thing
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is that we can't leave the wildfire mitigation plans
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without addressing past failures.
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We need to make sure that we are learning from past mistakes
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to get out of this vicious cycle that we're in.
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We have to make sure that every utility maps.
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Here's where we failed for this fire and that fire
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and here's how we've addressed it.
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It's been two years since the Kincade fire
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and still PGE admits that they caused the fire,
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their equipment caused the fire,
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yet they have not incorporated into their risk modeling.
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It's things like that that should not be happening
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going forward and I encourage the board to please advocate
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to make sure that these plans change
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before they are approved.
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The board is in a unique position
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and I appreciate your time.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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And I just want to remind you as well as everyone
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that we do accept written comments at any time
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and I believe the email address is up on the screen,
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but it is,
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wildfiresafetyadvisoryboard@cpuc.
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All one word, @cpc.ca.gov.
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So we welcome comments of any length
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through our email distribution.
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Could we please have the next speaker?
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The next speaker is Henry Burton.
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Your line is open.
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Please go ahead.
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Hi, thank you, members of the board.
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Thank you for taking time to hear comments.
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My name is Henry Burton.
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I'm the supervisor of the Wildfire Safety Group
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in the Public Advocate's Office at the CPAC
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and I wanted to say that the public Advocate's Office
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appreciates the board's emphasis on effective
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and evidence-based approaches to reducing wildfire risk.
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The board's review has provided a scientific
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and technical perspective that is much needed
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and the public advocate's office agrees
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with several of the WSAB's recommendations.
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So I wanna call attention to three particular topics.
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First is more scrutiny of risk modeling.
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We agree that the wildfire risk models need expert review.
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Utilities wildfire risk models influence
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which mitigation utilities select where and when.
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This has become an urgent issue
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because in the past few months
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PG and E introduced a new risk model
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that changes the risk scores of individual circuit segments
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and largely reverses the prioritization of circuits.
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Additionally Mussey Grade Road Alliance
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has raised serious doubts about the wildfire risk models
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that all the utilities use
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especially PG and E but also the other large utilities.
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So last year, the Public Advocate's Office
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recommended requiring the utilities
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to publish validation analysis
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and retaining an expert consultant.
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This year we recommended convening a technical working group
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open to all stakeholders to examine each risk model.
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And we think the board's recommendation of establishing
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a process for peer review by academic experts
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is a very good idea.
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The second area I wanna mention is quality of work.
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We appreciate the board's attention to workforce training
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and quality of work.
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One of the themes that the Public Advocate's Office
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has emphasized in our comments
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is that effective wildfire mitigation
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is about not just what you do,
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but how well you do it.
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And so we support the board's recommendations
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on improving training for vegetation management contractors,
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increasing auditing and oversight
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and developing a qualified workforce for system hardening.
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Lastly I wanna mention developing
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and sharing best practices.
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In our review of the WMTS we noted significant differences
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between the utilities in areas such as inspection practices
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with (indistinct) their settings
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and cost of covered conductor.
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There's an opportunity, a big opportunity
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for utilities to share knowledge and data
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and adopt mitigation practices that are supported
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by the evidence.
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So we support the board's recommendation
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to Commission independent studies
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of the effectiveness of wildfire mitigation practices.
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And the WSAB has been providing valuable input
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on vegetation management in particular.
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We support the recommendation to consult with ecologists
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and develop environmentally sensitive practices
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for vegetation management.
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It's Worth noting that last May,
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the Wildfire Safety Division directed the utilities
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to work together to study how they identify risky trees
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and implement broader clearances.
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Unfortunately, it took the utilities until January 6th
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of this year to start holding regular meetings
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for the purpose of developing a unified plan
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on vegetation management.
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And we think that is a really unfortunate delay.
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I appreciate your time and appreciate
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the work that you're all doing.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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And thank you for...
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We appreciate you coming in today.
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May we have the next speaker.
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The next speaker is Pete Wyanoldi.
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Your line is open, please go ahead.
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Good afternoon, board members.
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My name is Pete Wynoldi
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I'm a member
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of the Reclaim our power Utility Justice Campaign.
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And we organize with fire survivors
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and people with disabilities in low income communities
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and people of color communities
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across California that has been burned down,
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shut off, smoked out and punished
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for specifically PGE's failures to keep us safe.
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Very much appreciative of the comments
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from the other callers today
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and appreciative of this board holding this space.
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I just wanna draw attention to a couple of things.
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One, as the public advocate's office just mentioned
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that they put out an excellent report pointing
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to the failures of a PGE's plan coming into this meeting
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and specifically pointing to the poor management
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and the failure of oversight, failure of quality of work
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versus just having checked the box
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that they've done work,
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the grossly deficient tree trimming plan,
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about prioritization and consistently prioritizing
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what is easiest as opposed to what actually keeps us safe.
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Insufficient inspections and failures
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of covering distribution lines with high risk
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and not putting resources into grid upgrades and hardening,
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as opposed to just cutting down the most trees
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to make it look like they're doing good work.
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I also wanna point to a couple of things
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that folks said just a moment ago.
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Now, the Public Advocate's Office just mentioning
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they said that they needed to do better work
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around prioritizing in January and didn't...
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In last May and didn't start till January.
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What happened in between them was the Zogg fire
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which killed four people and burned down thousands of acres.
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And this is a consistent rhythm around everything
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that I've just said.
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Everything that you've heard before
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PG and E valuing the profit motive
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and valuing their ability to gain the system.
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And I say that specifically to this board
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especially given their response in the press today
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responding to the Public Advocate's office.
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Public Advocate putting forward very thoughtful comments
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about their insufficient plan.
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Their lawyers are quoted in the press today saying,
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operational gaps identified in 2020 are not a basis
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for denying the 2021 plan.
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How I hear that?
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And I think the people of California hear that,
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we may have screwed up before
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but we think we can get away with it again.
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So this plan that should go forward
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even though we haven't addressed all of the things
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that are very clearly wrong with the plans of the past
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and which have led to the deaths of over a hundred people
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in California and radically altered eco scape,
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the lungs of people across California being burned out
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and people living in the communities
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that we work with living in fear
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of this company choosing profit over their lives.
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So we encourage you to take all the information from today,
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reject this plan, put forward a recommendation
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to reject this plan, join into the conversation
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of projecting PGD safety certificate
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that I know the CPC are here tomorrow
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and make clear that this organization
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can no longer gain the systems in front of them.
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And they needed to do something radically different
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and hand the power over to the people
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and take it out of the hands of the profits of it.
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Thank you for your time.
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Thank you for your comments.
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Operator, do we have any other public commenters
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who's on the phone?
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Yes, we do have another comment.
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This one is from Robin Snakham.
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The line is open please go ahead
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Is that Robin McCollum?
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I assume so.
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I apologize
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Please. Go ahead.
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Okay. And I see that you can hear me.
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I'm the retired Butte County Public Works Tree Foreman
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and I've been watching PG and E's
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bad works since about 1985.
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I used to permit their construction
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and I'm also a 35 year wild land firefighter.
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I did that coincidentally with my work at the County
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as an unlimited caller forest or an arborist
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from these perspectives
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that I've been criticizing PG and E.
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It is unnecessary to remove all these trees.
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They were increasing their right of ways
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well beyond anything necessary
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for any practical protection of their equipment.
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As they were approaching it,
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it's equivalent to bailing the ocean
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in order to save a sinking boat.
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They're attacking our environment to accommodate
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their equipment that is not built for the environment.
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The solution is covered conductors.
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I'm speaking in generalities.
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I'm pleased by the technicalities that I see
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that you've addressed in the draft document today
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that needs to be included.
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There's the potential with covering conductors
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and some kind of circuit protection
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we would not be having all these fires
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as it is with the bare wire
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which is the constant threat throughout.
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Whenever a branch falls and causes a fire
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as PGE puts it, there's a bare wire.
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That is actually what causes the sparking.
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Animals, balloons wire slapped from the wind, et cetera.
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And unfortunately the legislature and the Governor
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has been listening to PG and E's mythology
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that trees are the problem
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and have given PGE 142 95
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and other legislation discretion, sole discretion
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at which trees to take from private land
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outside of their existing easements
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without regard to private property or the environment.
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And we assumed that they would be exercising
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proper discernment but by the clear cuts that we've seen
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in these projects, there's no discernment, whatever.
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They're just going by a spatial distance.
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No regard to hazard or condition of the trees themselves.
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As we see that there's increasing numbers
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of equipment fires over the years
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it's not climate change that only influences severity
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but the increasing number of fires is a reflection
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of the age of the system as
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with the caribou Palermo line that caused
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the campfire in Paradise and is detailed
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but in the District Attorney's report,
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the Butte County District Attorney's investigation,
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the report showed that there was a lack of maintenance,
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their run to failure model within PG and E
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and that's what's consistent here.
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The remote distribution lines
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and the high fire threat area are aging out,
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the connectors are losing their grip.
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The wire's been brittle from years and years.
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There's a service life on these wires.
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They need to be replaced.
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In the case of--
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Excuse me, I'm sorry, your time is up.
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Could you please summarize.
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And then again, we welcome your written comments
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to our email address.
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Yes. And I'm glad to hear that.
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Send comments.
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Yes. Well, I think that there's a perverse incentive
00:31:13.670 --> 00:31:16.960
for PG and E to have a side business of tree cutting.
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:18.340
It has nothing really to do,
00:31:18.340 --> 00:31:19.700
and they must know that,
00:31:19.700 --> 00:31:21.200
to the safety of their lines.
00:31:21.200 --> 00:31:22.680
But it's a huge, it's become
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:24.610
a huge multi-million dollar industry.
00:31:24.610 --> 00:31:26.310
Thank you very much for your time.
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Thank you for participating today.
00:31:28.980 --> 00:31:31.318
We welcome public comment from all.
00:31:31.318 --> 00:31:36.293
Operator, are there any more public comments on the line?
00:31:37.320 --> 00:31:38.153
Yes. Thank you.
00:31:38.153 --> 00:31:40.960
We do have another comment from Dan Courtney.
00:31:40.960 --> 00:31:42.660
Your line is open please go ahead.
00:31:43.680 --> 00:31:44.513
Hi, thank you.
00:31:44.513 --> 00:31:45.346
Oh, sorry.
00:31:45.346 --> 00:31:46.713
What is the period of time?
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Three minutes.
00:31:48.763 --> 00:31:49.670
Okay. Thank you.
00:31:49.670 --> 00:31:50.780
So my name is Dan Courtney.
00:31:50.780 --> 00:31:54.940
I own a property outside Yosemite in Twomey County.
00:31:54.940 --> 00:31:59.300
The address is, 11250 Sawmill Mountain Road.
00:31:59.300 --> 00:32:00.920
And I'm calling and making comments
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:03.398
from the perspective of a property owner.
00:32:03.398 --> 00:32:08.380
We saw that, myself and my neighbors and a lot of people
00:32:08.380 --> 00:32:12.080
in these mountain communities have had ongoing issues
00:32:12.080 --> 00:32:14.810
with PG and E for years and years
00:32:14.810 --> 00:32:16.360
where they can come into the property
00:32:16.360 --> 00:32:19.280
with their contractors and cut down trees.
00:32:19.280 --> 00:32:22.810
A lot of times without giving the owners the chance to
00:32:22.810 --> 00:32:24.770
inspect the trees first.
00:32:24.770 --> 00:32:26.910
And a lot of times they're cutting
00:32:26.910 --> 00:32:31.660
the wrong trees, unfortunately and what's happening now
00:32:31.660 --> 00:32:33.340
with the enhanced vegetation management is
00:32:33.340 --> 00:32:34.230
they're marking trees,
00:32:34.230 --> 00:32:36.310
which are healthy green trees.
00:32:36.310 --> 00:32:39.990
They say healthy green trees are a threat to their lines
00:32:39.990 --> 00:32:42.370
and they have more trees that are like
00:32:42.370 --> 00:32:43.763
100, 150 years.
00:32:45.043 --> 00:32:47.910
A lot of feet from the power lines trees
00:32:47.910 --> 00:32:51.393
some which are old go threes 400, 500 years old.
00:32:52.310 --> 00:32:55.340
And it's an issue because there are beautiful
00:32:55.340 --> 00:32:57.930
healthy trees that have been inspected
00:32:57.930 --> 00:33:02.380
and by certified foresters and verified to be good.
00:33:02.380 --> 00:33:04.440
But the real reason I'm calling in is
00:33:04.440 --> 00:33:07.806
because of the way that they go about doing this.
00:33:07.806 --> 00:33:12.806
Bylaw by 42 95.5, they are required to provide notice
00:33:14.070 --> 00:33:18.000
and an opportunity to be heard by the property owner.
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:20.060
There was no mechanism for doing that.
00:33:20.060 --> 00:33:21.500
For example, in my case I had
00:33:21.500 --> 00:33:25.340
a registered professional forester prepare a report
00:33:25.340 --> 00:33:27.870
analyzing the trees that they marked
00:33:27.870 --> 00:33:29.287
and I have no one to send it to because
00:33:29.287 --> 00:33:31.580
the CPC doesn't have a process for that
00:33:31.580 --> 00:33:35.430
for the forestry, CALl FIRE does not have that process.
00:33:35.430 --> 00:33:39.100
The attorneys have said that we have to exhaust
00:33:39.100 --> 00:33:41.260
our administrative remedies prior
00:33:41.260 --> 00:33:44.116
to filing a lawsuit, I guess, PG and E
00:33:44.116 --> 00:33:45.680
but there don't seem to be, I mean
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:47.850
any administrative remedies.
00:33:47.850 --> 00:33:50.170
So that's one thing and I will send in written comments
00:33:50.170 --> 00:33:53.153
and have in the past with regards to that.
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:56.850
The real issue here is as you probably,
00:33:56.850 --> 00:33:58.050
as I'm sure everyone here knows,
00:33:58.050 --> 00:33:59.950
is the condition of the lines.
00:33:59.950 --> 00:34:02.590
So we have power poles here that were burned
00:34:02.590 --> 00:34:05.370
in the Rim fire, which was in 2013.
00:34:05.370 --> 00:34:08.420
So going on eight years, which still haven't been replaced.
00:34:08.420 --> 00:34:10.400
They're burned, charred, you know,
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:13.240
from bottom almost to top.
00:34:13.240 --> 00:34:17.380
And we have these seven-year-old indexes
00:34:17.380 --> 00:34:21.270
to 70 year old bare uninsulated wires
00:34:21.270 --> 00:34:23.240
because I asked what is the threat?
00:34:23.240 --> 00:34:27.510
How does fire start from a tree or branch striking it?
00:34:27.510 --> 00:34:30.190
It is because I guess when the wires come into contact,
00:34:30.190 --> 00:34:31.800
because they're not insulated
00:34:31.800 --> 00:34:35.570
they spark out and can spark fires.
00:34:35.570 --> 00:34:38.220
The work that they're doing I think
00:34:38.220 --> 00:34:40.240
has been more counterproductive than productive
00:34:40.240 --> 00:34:43.440
in some ways, because they've clearcut during the Rim Fire
00:34:43.440 --> 00:34:46.950
they clear cut a large area around on each side
00:34:46.950 --> 00:34:48.230
of the power lines.
00:34:48.230 --> 00:34:50.210
Now we get this really strong winds come in
00:34:50.210 --> 00:34:53.490
which knocked over the next layers of trees.
00:34:53.490 --> 00:34:56.360
And my understanding of that wind
00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:59.920
when there's a fire that starts to the downwind
00:34:59.920 --> 00:35:02.040
the flaming brands are going to be propelled
00:35:02.040 --> 00:35:04.910
along those wind tunnels and coming right in
00:35:04.910 --> 00:35:09.780
along the power line tunnels and creating more, more havoc.
00:35:09.780 --> 00:35:12.350
Additionally, when they cut these trees
00:35:12.350 --> 00:35:14.630
and the trees are gone, we get more sunlight.
00:35:14.630 --> 00:35:16.490
And now we're getting all this other dry brushes
00:35:16.490 --> 00:35:18.710
growing right under the power lines.
00:35:18.710 --> 00:35:20.840
And it doesn't seem like an effective way.
00:35:20.840 --> 00:35:25.370
So we really want to be advocating for the CPC
00:35:25.370 --> 00:35:28.070
to not certify them as safe,
00:35:28.070 --> 00:35:30.410
PG and E is safe with a certificate.
00:35:30.410 --> 00:35:34.800
They're not, we all know that and it has to do more work.
00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:35.700
They've got to spend money
00:35:35.700 --> 00:35:38.370
on the lines cause that's the only thing
00:35:38.370 --> 00:35:42.770
that will really bring safety to the mountain regions.
00:35:42.770 --> 00:35:46.130
We are, by the way in a high fire threat district
00:35:46.130 --> 00:35:48.270
number two and borderline--
00:35:48.270 --> 00:35:50.147
Excuse me, excuse me, sir.
00:35:50.147 --> 00:35:51.610
Your three minutes are up.
00:35:51.610 --> 00:35:52.777
Can you please wrap up?
00:35:52.777 --> 00:35:53.610
No, that's fine.
00:35:53.610 --> 00:35:54.989
I think I said enough
00:35:54.989 --> 00:35:57.050
and I appreciate your time and everybody's working on this
00:35:58.837 --> 00:36:00.330
and we really wish you all the best
00:36:00.330 --> 00:36:02.300
and hopefully you can get some good...
00:36:02.300 --> 00:36:05.560
PGE need to get in line as, I understand that STG and E
00:36:05.560 --> 00:36:06.830
have been doing.
00:36:06.830 --> 00:36:08.071
Thank you.
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Thank you so much.
00:36:10.750 --> 00:36:14.263
Operator, is there another public speaker on the phone?
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We do not have any other public speakers
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right now.
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All right.
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Thank you very much for everyone who spoke.
00:36:23.410 --> 00:36:25.520
We really appreciate it.
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Now we'll turn to our email box.
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Prior to the meeting Ms. Stockton,
00:36:31.430 --> 00:36:35.183
were there any comments filed through our email box?
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We have not received any comments through the email box.
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I imagine that will change after this meeting.
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So, and for those who are watching
00:36:48.024 --> 00:36:50.900
when comments come into the email box
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our advisors distributed them to all the board members.
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So we will all be looking at those
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and reviewing them and considering them in our work.
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So thank you very much.
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We will now close public comment.
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We will move into the next topic on the agenda.
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If we could move to the next slide and this will be...
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Oh thank you.
00:37:15.563 --> 00:37:16.396
We're already there.
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This is the adoption of the minutes.
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The meeting minutes can be found on again, on our webpage.
00:37:23.540 --> 00:37:26.890
And I want to make sure that all the board members
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have had an opportunity to review the minutes.
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Are there any edits or additions to the minutes?
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If not, I'll entertain a motion
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to adopt the meeting minutes.
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I'll entertain that motion, Vice Chair.
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Board member Armstrong has moved.
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Board member Porter, is seconding.
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Maybe we now have a vote and signify by saying aye.
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And I think raising your hand so we can all
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see who's voting.
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Aye, aye.
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It looks like it's unanimous.
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So thank you very much for your vote.
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Do we have...
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Ms. Morgan's ready to make her presentation on behalf
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of me Wildfire Safety Division.
00:38:26.770 --> 00:38:27.973
Hi. Yes I'm ready.
00:38:28.980 --> 00:38:30.333
All right. Very good.
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:36.320
May we now feature her and Ms. Morgan, you may begin.
00:38:39.070 --> 00:38:40.461
Well, thank you very much
00:38:40.461 --> 00:38:44.520
and thanks for inviting me along today to provide an update.
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Moving on to the first slide, please.
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So I'll be providing an update
00:38:53.847 --> 00:38:57.020
on the Wildfire Safety Divisions activities
00:38:57.020 --> 00:38:59.110
since the last board meeting.
00:38:59.110 --> 00:39:02.030
So I'm gonna cover three key areas.
00:39:02.030 --> 00:39:03.936
The first is to provide an update
00:39:03.936 --> 00:39:07.773
on the wildfire mitigation plan evaluation process.
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:10.930
Secondly, to provide an update
00:39:10.930 --> 00:39:14.660
on the annual safety culture assessment
00:39:14.660 --> 00:39:17.689
and thirdly, to provide an update on
00:39:17.689 --> 00:39:20.160
the wildfire safety divisions transitioned
00:39:20.160 --> 00:39:23.273
to the Office of Energy Infrastructure Safety.
00:39:28.550 --> 00:39:29.850
Next slide please, thanks.
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So in terms of the wildfire mitigation plan
00:39:38.440 --> 00:39:39.330
evaluation process,
00:39:39.330 --> 00:39:41.760
a number of key things have happened
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:43.580
since the last board meeting.
00:39:43.580 --> 00:39:48.580
Firstly, we had the SMJU/ITO workshop on the 23rd of March
00:39:51.020 --> 00:39:53.870
and then we also received public comments
00:39:53.870 --> 00:39:57.360
and reply comments on the large utilities WMP
00:39:57.360 --> 00:40:01.663
towards the end of March and then on the 13th of April.
00:40:02.910 --> 00:40:05.320
And then on the 2nd of April, we received
00:40:05.320 --> 00:40:09.810
the WSC comments and draft and needs were finalized,
00:40:09.810 --> 00:40:13.100
I believe, yesterday and circulated.
00:40:13.100 --> 00:40:18.010
So I would like to thank the WSAB members for their time
00:40:18.010 --> 00:40:20.140
dedication and commitment to developing
00:40:20.140 --> 00:40:22.470
these recommendations for the WSP
00:40:22.470 --> 00:40:26.443
to take into consideration in our evaluation process.
00:40:29.150 --> 00:40:33.473
So in terms of what our focus has been over the past month,
00:40:34.370 --> 00:40:38.040
we've been clarifying and resolving that WMP issues
00:40:38.040 --> 00:40:40.610
through the data request process or via meetings
00:40:40.610 --> 00:40:42.159
with utilities.
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:45.860
We've been identifying critical issues
00:40:45.860 --> 00:40:48.320
that may warrant a revision notice.
00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:53.310
So we are moving away from the process that we had last year
00:40:53.310 --> 00:40:55.360
where they were a conditional approvals
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:58.680
for WMP and this year we're going down the road
00:40:58.680 --> 00:40:59.950
of a revision notice.
00:40:59.950 --> 00:41:02.940
So that's where critical issue is identified
00:41:02.940 --> 00:41:05.338
and then a revision notice may be issued
00:41:05.338 --> 00:41:07.950
and then the utility will be required to address
00:41:07.950 --> 00:41:10.570
that in 30 days.
00:41:10.570 --> 00:41:12.270
And there will be the opportunity
00:41:12.270 --> 00:41:17.270
for public comment and reply comments on the submission
00:41:17.530 --> 00:41:20.173
from the utility in response to the revision notice.
00:41:21.080 --> 00:41:23.839
So this, if any revision is our issue
00:41:23.839 --> 00:41:28.839
then that would extend the timeline of WSPs evaluation
00:41:29.210 --> 00:41:32.626
of the WMPs but still provides an opportunity
00:41:32.626 --> 00:41:35.203
to address these critical issues.
00:41:36.690 --> 00:41:40.180
And then thirdly, we've been drafting the action statements
00:41:40.180 --> 00:41:44.090
and resolutions and these will comprise the determination
00:41:44.090 --> 00:41:46.983
of WMP through this new process.
00:41:49.300 --> 00:41:51.263
So moving on to the next slide.
00:41:53.600 --> 00:41:58.600
In terms of next steps, we are expecting a revision notice
00:42:00.040 --> 00:42:02.820
for the large utilities in early May
00:42:02.820 --> 00:42:06.173
and in late May we're expecting to be able to make
00:42:06.173 --> 00:42:09.282
a determination of the large utility WMPs
00:42:09.282 --> 00:42:11.682
that have not been issued with a revision notice
00:42:12.700 --> 00:42:15.960
and in early June we're expecting to issue
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:20.960
a new revision to the SMJU/ITO and then June
00:42:21.300 --> 00:42:23.630
we would also make the determination
00:42:23.630 --> 00:42:28.630
of whether that SMJU/ITO WMPs will be denied or accepted.
00:42:32.170 --> 00:42:34.997
And that will be those that were not issued
00:42:34.997 --> 00:42:36.160
for the revision notice.
00:42:36.160 --> 00:42:37.753
So it gets a little bit complicated
00:42:37.753 --> 00:42:41.110
and then late summer would be the point
00:42:41.110 --> 00:42:43.890
at which we'll be able to provide determination
00:42:43.890 --> 00:42:47.403
of WMPs that required a revision notice.
00:42:51.380 --> 00:42:53.593
Moving on to the next slide.
00:42:57.287 --> 00:43:00.000
So the second thing I want to provide an update on
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:04.300
is the annual safety culture assessment
00:43:04.300 --> 00:43:06.150
So this is the first year
00:43:06.150 --> 00:43:09.720
of the Wildfire Safety Division Safety Culture Assessment.
00:43:09.720 --> 00:43:14.440
The component of the Public Utilities Code Section 839
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:16.923
and it's specific to wildfire safety.
00:43:18.270 --> 00:43:21.190
So this first year will be important to assess the baseline
00:43:21.190 --> 00:43:23.410
for culture against which improvement
00:43:23.410 --> 00:43:24.913
to be measured over time.
00:43:26.160 --> 00:43:28.070
The findings and recommendations
00:43:28.070 --> 00:43:31.530
from the safety culture assessments are expected to feed
00:43:31.530 --> 00:43:33.876
into the safety certification process.
00:43:33.876 --> 00:43:36.480
So for those electric corporations requesting
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:37.580
a safety certificate,
00:43:37.580 --> 00:43:41.840
we'll be considering each electric corporation agreement
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:42.970
to implement the findings
00:43:42.970 --> 00:43:45.690
from our safety culture assessments when we evaluate
00:43:45.690 --> 00:43:48.650
its request for safety certification.
00:43:48.650 --> 00:43:50.463
Just moving on to the next slide.
00:43:56.600 --> 00:43:59.730
So in terms of where we are on this,
00:43:59.730 --> 00:44:03.080
we kicked off our first safety culture assessment
00:44:03.080 --> 00:44:04.623
earlier this month.
00:44:06.550 --> 00:44:09.283
You can see a couple of dates there.
00:44:10.350 --> 00:44:13.594
So for example, in November we adopted
00:44:13.594 --> 00:44:18.350
the safety culture assessment process and resolution WSD 11.
00:44:18.350 --> 00:44:21.630
We published the final safety culture assessment
00:44:21.630 --> 00:44:23.473
requirements in January.
00:44:24.380 --> 00:44:27.693
In March we executed the contract with Dekra
00:44:27.693 --> 00:44:30.457
who are gonna be helping us to execute
00:44:30.457 --> 00:44:32.743
our annual safety culture assessments.
00:44:34.830 --> 00:44:37.760
We've just started the initial planning meetings
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.420
with the small and large utilities.
00:44:40.420 --> 00:44:44.530
And towards the end of this month, we've got a meeting
00:44:44.530 --> 00:44:47.453
with LA DWP wildfire mitigation team
00:44:47.453 --> 00:44:49.870
to talk to them about their lessons
00:44:49.870 --> 00:44:52.496
from the safety culture assessments
00:44:52.496 --> 00:44:53.893
that they already admitted.
00:44:56.340 --> 00:44:57.660
So in terms of next steps
00:44:59.440 --> 00:45:02.276
Could you just move on to the next slide please?
00:45:02.276 --> 00:45:03.280
Thank you.
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:06.720
In terms of next steps, by the end of May,
00:45:06.720 --> 00:45:09.743
we're expecting to have completed the workforce survey,
00:45:10.970 --> 00:45:14.253
the self-assessment and the documentation review.
00:45:15.150 --> 00:45:16.600
By the end of June, we're expecting
00:45:16.600 --> 00:45:18.760
to have completed interviews
00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:22.340
and by the end of July, we're expecting to redraft it.
00:45:22.340 --> 00:45:24.763
Finalize the safety culture assessment.
00:45:25.721 --> 00:45:27.721
that will inform the safety certificate.
00:45:30.970 --> 00:45:32.113
Next slide please.
00:45:34.910 --> 00:45:36.360
And the last thing I wanted
00:45:36.360 --> 00:45:38.420
to provide an update on is the transition
00:45:38.420 --> 00:45:42.060
of the Office of Energy Infrastructure Safety.
00:45:42.060 --> 00:45:44.830
So the Wildfire Safety Division is transitioning
00:45:44.830 --> 00:45:46.760
to the Office of Energy Infrastructure Safety
00:45:46.760 --> 00:45:49.710
under the California Natural Resources Agency
00:45:49.710 --> 00:45:51.483
on July the 1st of this year.
00:45:52.490 --> 00:45:56.720
The transition is statutorily required as per AB111, 111.
00:46:03.390 --> 00:46:05.800
There's already been a number of initiatives
00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:07.470
that have been progressed to ensure
00:46:07.470 --> 00:46:10.440
that this transition is as smooth as possible.
00:46:10.440 --> 00:46:12.850
and I've outlined a couple of these below.
00:46:12.850 --> 00:46:16.210
So for example, we're establishing a memorandum
00:46:16.210 --> 00:46:20.100
of understanding between the Commission and OEIF
00:46:21.321 --> 00:46:24.300
which Is the Office of Energy Infrastructure Safety
00:46:24.300 --> 00:46:26.160
to ensure continued collaboration
00:46:26.160 --> 00:46:28.773
and information sharing post-transition.
00:46:29.670 --> 00:46:32.010
We're developing rules of practice and procedure
00:46:32.010 --> 00:46:34.800
through the Office of Administrative Law.
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:37.350
We're migrating data between agencies (indistinct)
00:46:37.350 --> 00:46:39.920
new internal systems and finally
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:41.550
we're planning for the move of offices
00:46:41.550 --> 00:46:44.819
and equipment from the Commission's Sacramento office
00:46:44.819 --> 00:46:47.420
to nearby CNRA offices.
00:46:50.500 --> 00:46:52.283
If we just turn to the last slide.
00:46:56.430 --> 00:46:58.963
So the Wildfire Safety Advisory board,
00:47:00.200 --> 00:47:03.330
I believe is going to be meeting with our transition team
00:47:03.330 --> 00:47:06.000
to talk about any actions that are required
00:47:07.230 --> 00:47:10.270
in advance of this July 1st transition
00:47:13.133 --> 00:47:14.083
And the next slide.
00:47:16.030 --> 00:47:18.760
And that completes our presentation
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Please, board members if you have any questions
00:47:21.560 --> 00:47:23.253
please feel free to ask them.
00:47:25.830 --> 00:47:27.610
Thank you very much, Ms. Morgans.
00:47:27.610 --> 00:47:30.480
It's Morgan with an S, is that correct?
00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:31.313
Thank you.
00:47:31.313 --> 00:47:32.960
It is yeah.
00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:37.610
And just for those of you who, again,
00:47:37.610 --> 00:47:40.670
who are participating in our meeting virtually,
00:47:40.670 --> 00:47:45.647
we will be moving into the office of emergency,
00:47:45.647 --> 00:47:50.647
excuse me, the Office of Energy Infrastructure Safety
00:47:50.830 --> 00:47:55.640
on July 1st and we will keep everyone updated
00:47:55.640 --> 00:48:00.620
on our new email address and location and website
00:48:00.620 --> 00:48:03.050
because all of that will be changing
00:48:03.050 --> 00:48:08.050
along with the wildfire safety divisions transfer as well.
00:48:08.710 --> 00:48:12.630
So, now it's an opportunity to ask questions on the part
00:48:12.630 --> 00:48:14.131
of the board members
00:48:14.131 --> 00:48:18.380
to the Wildfire Safety Division representative.
00:48:18.380 --> 00:48:20.930
You can indicate if you have a question in the chat
00:48:20.930 --> 00:48:25.650
or just raise your hand and I will call on you.
00:48:25.650 --> 00:48:26.943
Are there any questions?
00:48:31.550 --> 00:48:32.403
Mr. Mader.
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:38.294
Thank you, Co-chair Fellman.
00:48:38.294 --> 00:48:43.294
I, you know, have a number of questions about, you know
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:45.790
we're gonna be talking about the different models
00:48:45.790 --> 00:48:48.190
that the utilities were using
00:48:48.190 --> 00:48:50.710
and I get the process by which you go through
00:48:50.710 --> 00:48:52.130
and find that information
00:48:52.130 --> 00:48:54.580
I think in your presentation is that you'll be
00:48:54.580 --> 00:48:57.453
making information requests, for instance,
00:48:58.490 --> 00:49:02.370
questions I had about the risk score model
00:49:02.370 --> 00:49:05.372
that was Southern California Edison was using
00:49:05.372 --> 00:49:09.380
like a list of all the different attributes
00:49:11.230 --> 00:49:14.320
when they say that we have a sophisticated risk score
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:16.077
like, you know, is typography included
00:49:16.077 --> 00:49:17.010
and those kinds of things.
00:49:17.010 --> 00:49:19.320
So I guess that's the vehicle by which you'll go through
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:22.810
and try and flush out getting more information
00:49:22.810 --> 00:49:26.040
on these models because you did you did accept
00:49:26.040 --> 00:49:26.873
the recommendation
00:49:26.873 --> 00:49:29.120
from the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board
00:49:29.120 --> 00:49:30.793
that they explained their model.
00:49:32.260 --> 00:49:33.160
Well, yeah, sure.
00:49:33.160 --> 00:49:35.920
So, yeah, it's mainly been through data requests
00:49:35.920 --> 00:49:38.310
or follow up calls with utilities
00:49:38.310 --> 00:49:40.116
or for example, I know that a number of utilities
00:49:40.116 --> 00:49:43.795
went into quite high alert (indistinct)
00:49:43.795 --> 00:49:45.210
their risk models during the workshops.
00:49:45.210 --> 00:49:47.310
The public workshops that we held.
00:49:47.310 --> 00:49:50.483
So yes, it's all of those things.
00:49:58.847 --> 00:50:02.100
Yes. Well, how would we, follow up question,
00:50:02.100 --> 00:50:04.020
if we didn't participate in those workshops
00:50:04.020 --> 00:50:05.860
how are we going to find out
00:50:05.860 --> 00:50:08.190
as a part of the Wildfire mitigation plans
00:50:08.190 --> 00:50:11.040
that they're submitting what their risk models were?
00:50:11.040 --> 00:50:13.710
If they explain them in a different report,
00:50:13.710 --> 00:50:17.017
how is that information gonna be included
00:50:17.017 --> 00:50:19.103
in their wildfire mitigation filings?
00:50:20.470 --> 00:50:22.200
Yeah, no, that's a really good question.
00:50:22.200 --> 00:50:25.210
So for that, it might be best
00:50:25.210 --> 00:50:26.500
for the utility to answer this
00:50:26.500 --> 00:50:29.358
but as far as I'm aware,
00:50:29.358 --> 00:50:33.830
particularly in terms of the data request that we sent
00:50:33.830 --> 00:50:36.900
out on this modeling, I know that they're all available
00:50:36.900 --> 00:50:41.900
on the utilities websites and they're used to get in touch
00:50:42.350 --> 00:50:47.350
with which if any data request responses have pertaining
00:50:48.950 --> 00:50:50.490
to their business models.
00:50:50.490 --> 00:50:52.690
That's certainly one way you could find out.
00:50:56.800 --> 00:50:59.360
That's probably the primary way that I would find out
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:03.560
or by following up with utilities and asking them.
00:51:03.560 --> 00:51:05.880
I can see what you're saying that if they provide
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:08.730
this additional information you'd want to be aware of it.
00:51:12.352 --> 00:51:13.185
It sounds like something
00:51:13.185 --> 00:51:15.080
for next year's a guideline recommendations
00:51:18.030 --> 00:51:19.433
Board member, Porter.
00:51:25.410 --> 00:51:26.740
Excuse me, you're on mute on your phone.
00:51:26.740 --> 00:51:28.510
Could you please unmute?
00:51:28.510 --> 00:51:29.655
Thank you.
00:51:29.655 --> 00:51:32.091
Thank you. Thank you, Chair.
00:51:32.091 --> 00:51:35.450
So this has to do with the safety culture assessment
00:51:35.450 --> 00:51:40.260
and it was earlier this year that you contracted
00:51:40.260 --> 00:51:45.100
with Dekra to perform that safety assessment evaluation
00:51:45.100 --> 00:51:46.900
for the IOUs, correct?
00:51:49.859 --> 00:51:50.692
That's correct, yeah.
00:51:52.120 --> 00:51:55.890
And so will they schedule to meet with each of the IOUs?
00:51:57.830 --> 00:52:01.017
Yeah, so they just started just this week.
00:52:01.017 --> 00:52:03.740
They started their meetings with the utilities
00:52:03.740 --> 00:52:04.880
to give them an introduction
00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:06.600
to the safety culture assessment
00:52:06.600 --> 00:52:08.479
and to talk about what's gonna be required
00:52:08.479 --> 00:52:13.030
from each utility over the coming months
00:52:13.030 --> 00:52:16.290
in order to complete the safety culture assessment.
00:52:16.290 --> 00:52:19.860
Okay. And that is something that could be provided
00:52:19.860 --> 00:52:23.230
to us as a board also the scope
00:52:23.230 --> 00:52:26.823
as we examine them in light of the new requirement.
00:52:28.490 --> 00:52:30.570
Yeah. Certainly the scope of the safety culture assessment
00:52:30.570 --> 00:52:33.420
that's a publicly available document.
00:52:33.420 --> 00:52:35.270
I can dig it out and send it send it
00:52:35.270 --> 00:52:37.050
to Catherine, if you like.
00:52:37.050 --> 00:52:37.883
Yes, please.
00:52:37.883 --> 00:52:38.903
Thank you so much.
00:52:41.350 --> 00:52:44.540
And thank you for raising that a board member, Porter
00:52:44.540 --> 00:52:47.600
because one of our statutory responsibilities
00:52:47.600 --> 00:52:52.600
is to provide advisory guidance or recommendations
00:52:54.820 --> 00:52:58.980
on safety culture as well for not just the investor owned
00:52:58.980 --> 00:53:01.160
but the publicly owned utilities.
00:53:01.160 --> 00:53:03.900
So, that's a new challenge
00:53:03.900 --> 00:53:07.560
that we are going to have to take on in 2021.
00:53:07.560 --> 00:53:10.910
So Ms. Morgans, we look forward to working with WFC
00:53:10.910 --> 00:53:14.120
and how to sort that out and what's the appropriate role.
00:53:14.120 --> 00:53:18.230
So if you could just take a note to follow up
00:53:18.230 --> 00:53:23.230
with our advisors and, you know make suggestions
00:53:23.830 --> 00:53:27.450
to us on how to best execute that responsibility,
00:53:27.450 --> 00:53:28.960
we'd really appreciated it.
00:53:28.960 --> 00:53:30.630
So thank you so much.
00:53:30.630 --> 00:53:31.630
Yeah, that's cool.
00:53:33.570 --> 00:53:35.298
Are there any other questions?
00:53:35.298 --> 00:53:38.063
We really, really do appreciate.
00:53:40.160 --> 00:53:42.460
I don't wanna keep calling you WSD
00:53:42.460 --> 00:53:47.460
because we're looking forward now but having your briefings
00:53:48.660 --> 00:53:53.210
at our meetings and also keeping us apprised
00:53:53.210 --> 00:53:56.750
between meetings of where things stand
00:53:56.750 --> 00:54:00.250
in the Wildfire Mitigation Plan review that you're doing
00:54:00.250 --> 00:54:03.930
and your evolution of that process.
00:54:03.930 --> 00:54:08.110
So, thank you so much for taking the time today to present
00:54:08.110 --> 00:54:09.043
to our board.
00:54:10.050 --> 00:54:11.800
Not at all, it's been a pleasure.
00:54:14.750 --> 00:54:15.880
Right.
00:54:15.880 --> 00:54:18.290
I'll now turn the meeting over
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to our advisor, Ms. Leah Herald to tell us what's next.
00:54:25.980 --> 00:54:26.813
All right.
00:54:26.813 --> 00:54:28.490
Thank you, Vice Chair Fellman.
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So welcome to our stretch break.
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I encourage everyone to stand up to stretch,
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to go get some water,
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turn off your cameras and we will return at 2:10
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(soft music)
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(upbeat music)
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The break will be ending shortly.
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We will go ahead and join you in.
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You'll hear music until we begin.
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I mean, sorry.
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You'll hear silence until we begin.
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Is the audio working?
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Yeah.
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Robert, are you there yet?
01:09:05.044 --> 01:09:06.720
Yep. Hey Catherine, how are you doing?
01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:08.170
Good.
01:09:08.170 --> 01:09:09.627
So Morgan--
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Catherine you're live.
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Oh, okay.
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We are ready to begin the next part of the board meeting.
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Welcome back.
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We will now go into the heart of our meeting
01:10:59.350 --> 01:11:01.320
which is going to be the discussion
01:11:01.320 --> 01:11:04.070
of the board's draft recommendations
01:11:05.367 --> 01:11:10.200
to the 2021 Wildfire Mitigation Plan updates
01:11:10.200 --> 01:11:14.490
where the large investor owned utilities
01:11:14.490 --> 01:11:17.563
How we're going to proceed is that,
01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:22.960
I would like to actually to make some brief comments
01:11:22.960 --> 01:11:25.180
and then Staff will read us the summary
01:11:25.180 --> 01:11:29.030
of the recommendations followed by the board's discussion
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which is going to be led by each board member focusing
01:11:35.710 --> 01:11:40.710
and discussing the parts that he or she worked on.
01:11:41.160 --> 01:11:43.026
And because there may be more
01:11:43.026 --> 01:11:45.960
than one for each board member.
01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:49.260
And if you want to follow along our draft recommendations
01:11:49.260 --> 01:11:51.110
can be found on the board's website
01:11:51.110 --> 01:11:56.110
which is cpc.ca.gov/wsab.
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I wanted to say that by this set of recommendations
01:12:03.421 --> 01:12:06.680
we've come full cycle from where we started.
01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:11.280
This is our second round of recommendations of this type
01:12:11.280 --> 01:12:14.320
and it's hard to believe that we've done so much
01:12:14.320 --> 01:12:19.040
in the last 12 months, given the COVID challenges
01:12:19.040 --> 01:12:22.140
and given that we were doing it all for the first time.
01:12:22.140 --> 01:12:26.070
So my heartfelt thanks to each and every one of
01:12:26.070 --> 01:12:29.320
the board members for your diligence, your intelligence,
01:12:29.320 --> 01:12:34.320
your dedication to the board's work
01:12:37.460 --> 01:12:41.723
and to making this the success that it's been.
01:12:43.850 --> 01:12:48.850
In general for the IOU 2021 updates we want to recognize
01:12:49.220 --> 01:12:52.080
that there have been advancements
01:12:52.080 --> 01:12:55.990
over the last filings and we focused our recommendations
01:12:55.990 --> 01:13:00.990
on areas that we want the WSD to consider in its review
01:13:01.960 --> 01:13:04.530
and as Ms Morgans told us earlier
01:13:04.530 --> 01:13:08.330
how they're going to go through the revision process.
01:13:08.330 --> 01:13:11.112
One of the things that we really observed
01:13:11.112 --> 01:13:15.610
is that in with these advancements
01:13:15.610 --> 01:13:19.010
there's been a consolidation of material
01:13:19.010 --> 01:13:24.010
and we would like to see some presentation form aspects
01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:30.420
to the WMP that would further digest the material
01:13:30.420 --> 01:13:32.942
for the reader so they could have a quick overview
01:13:32.942 --> 01:13:36.890
of what the utilities have filed.
01:13:36.890 --> 01:13:40.120
And we want to underscore, and you'll hear this
01:13:40.120 --> 01:13:43.260
throughout the discussion on the various sections
01:13:43.260 --> 01:13:48.260
the need for greater transparency into the utilities.
01:13:48.860 --> 01:13:51.080
This is a decision making process.
01:13:51.080 --> 01:13:53.384
It's not that that process.
01:13:53.384 --> 01:13:56.990
We don't know actually whether or not that process needs
01:13:56.990 --> 01:14:00.962
to be further investigated because we actually
01:14:00.962 --> 01:14:04.410
need to know more about how it was done.
01:14:04.410 --> 01:14:05.290
So we look forward
01:14:05.290 --> 01:14:09.450
to our continuing cooperative relationship
01:14:09.450 --> 01:14:12.750
with both the Wildfire Safety Division
01:14:12.750 --> 01:14:14.658
as it moves into natural resources,
01:14:14.658 --> 01:14:18.764
as well as we really do appreciate the engagement
01:14:18.764 --> 01:14:23.764
of the investor owned utilities with us during this process.
01:14:26.150 --> 01:14:29.060
And I want to highlight that as a preview
01:14:29.060 --> 01:14:32.830
for what the public and other stakeholders
01:14:32.830 --> 01:14:35.690
should be watching out for,
01:14:35.690 --> 01:14:39.370
we are prepared to now go to the next level of analysis
01:14:39.370 --> 01:14:42.730
using the expertise of each of our board members
01:14:42.730 --> 01:14:47.510
which is synergistic in how we are able to review
01:14:47.510 --> 01:14:50.820
these WMPS and come up with our recommendations
01:14:50.820 --> 01:14:54.620
and to look for more deeper dives
01:14:55.560 --> 01:14:57.910
such as the vegetation management workshop
01:14:57.910 --> 01:15:01.470
which we held before the last board meeting.
01:15:01.470 --> 01:15:06.300
So I want you to think the board members who worked on that
01:15:06.300 --> 01:15:10.540
and we found that to be very useful, not only for ourselves
01:15:10.540 --> 01:15:13.950
but for the overall evaluation effort.
01:15:13.950 --> 01:15:17.880
So thank you for again, for your time.
01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:22.443
And I have to say before I turn it over to Staff
01:15:22.443 --> 01:15:26.670
and perhaps like a virtual round of applause
01:15:26.670 --> 01:15:30.710
from the board members for our staff, because again
01:15:30.710 --> 01:15:35.710
this would not be anywhere where it is
01:15:36.530 --> 01:15:40.350
without the hard work, dedication, intelligence
01:15:40.350 --> 01:15:45.350
and diligence of the board advisors, Catherine Stockton
01:15:47.240 --> 01:15:49.970
and Leah Harold and Catherine has been with us
01:15:49.970 --> 01:15:53.160
the whole time but Leah was thrown into the mix
01:15:53.160 --> 01:15:55.950
and rose to the challenge beautifully.
01:15:55.950 --> 01:15:58.620
So again, virtual round of applause
01:15:58.620 --> 01:16:02.820
and great, great great appreciation for all that you do.
01:16:02.820 --> 01:16:05.893
And for the members of the public and stakeholders,
01:16:06.880 --> 01:16:10.120
without them, this wouldn't have happened
01:16:10.120 --> 01:16:15.120
and you actually now have a cogent succinct document
01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:18.230
that represents all of our thoughts.
01:16:18.230 --> 01:16:23.230
So that is just one of the many things they do.
01:16:24.430 --> 01:16:27.070
So I'll turn it over to staff to read the recommendations
01:16:27.070 --> 01:16:31.123
and the board members get ready for discussion on them.
01:16:34.620 --> 01:16:36.850
Thank you, Vice Chair Fellman.
01:16:36.850 --> 01:16:37.750
Next slide please.
01:16:42.330 --> 01:16:44.460
So under Section Two.
01:16:44.460 --> 01:16:49.150
The risk assessment and resource allocation,
01:16:49.150 --> 01:16:51.520
the board advises the wildfire safety division
01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:54.390
to request more details about modeling methods, assumptions
01:16:54.390 --> 01:16:57.693
and how the outputs of models are used in decision-making.
01:17:01.040 --> 01:17:04.710
The board also advises the wildfire safety division
01:17:04.710 --> 01:17:06.126
to request the creation
01:17:06.126 --> 01:17:09.180
of a formalized scientific review process
01:17:09.180 --> 01:17:11.710
and a common data system or platform.
01:17:11.710 --> 01:17:12.543
Next slide.
01:17:15.930 --> 01:17:17.030
Thank you.
01:17:17.030 --> 01:17:18.717
In the Section Three.
01:17:18.717 --> 01:17:21.140
The vegetation management section.
01:17:21.140 --> 01:17:24.860
The board recommends the wildfire safety division
01:17:24.860 --> 01:17:27.960
consider ecosystem and climate change impacts
01:17:27.960 --> 01:17:29.480
of tree removal.
01:17:29.480 --> 01:17:32.770
Specifically the wildfire Safety Division
01:17:32.770 --> 01:17:36.600
should evaluate tree removal practices
01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:39.462
and require consultation with ecologists
01:17:39.462 --> 01:17:41.473
to reduce environmental impact.
01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:45.640
The Safety Division should also consider
01:17:45.640 --> 01:17:46.920
the environmental impact
01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:49.870
of the vegetation management practices
01:17:49.870 --> 01:17:51.880
and evaluate the hazard created
01:17:51.880 --> 01:17:54.350
by the vegetation management practices
01:17:54.350 --> 01:17:57.670
and include the notices of violation
01:17:57.670 --> 01:17:59.403
in the wildfire mitigation plans.
01:18:01.110 --> 01:18:05.730
Lastly, the wildfire Safety Division should facilitate
01:18:05.730 --> 01:18:09.290
the creation of a database of tree species
01:18:09.290 --> 01:18:13.880
and requesting a centralized database
01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:16.190
to track tree species characteristics
01:18:16.190 --> 01:18:18.313
along different environmental gradients.
01:18:19.860 --> 01:18:20.813
Next slide please.
01:18:23.325 --> 01:18:24.158
Thank you.
01:18:25.150 --> 01:18:27.023
Under system design and hardening,
01:18:28.624 --> 01:18:33.624
the board recommends that the Wildfire Safety Division
01:18:35.100 --> 01:18:38.780
should recognize the efforts to pilot new technologies
01:18:38.780 --> 01:18:40.380
that will reduce the size of arcs,
01:18:40.380 --> 01:18:42.600
decrease the risk of ignition
01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:43.870
and quickly recognize faults
01:18:43.870 --> 01:18:46.903
and reduce catastrophic wildfire risk.
01:18:48.100 --> 01:18:51.990
The board also encourages the utilities exploration
01:18:51.990 --> 01:18:53.850
of different hardening methods and lessons learned
01:18:53.850 --> 01:18:57.053
from utilities exposed to high winds and hurricanes.
01:19:00.300 --> 01:19:02.150
The board recommends that the WSB
01:19:02.150 --> 01:19:03.480
should request more information
01:19:03.480 --> 01:19:05.600
about the IOUs' training programs and procedures
01:19:05.600 --> 01:19:07.863
to ensure workforce safety.
01:19:11.343 --> 01:19:13.890
The board continues to recommend
01:19:13.890 --> 01:19:17.440
the use of qualified electrical workers for all inspections.
01:19:17.440 --> 01:19:18.273
Next slide.
01:19:23.097 --> 01:19:27.020
So, the board recommends the safety division
01:19:27.910 --> 01:19:30.000
assess idle lines and equipment
01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:32.750
and request more information about protocols
01:19:32.750 --> 01:19:35.793
for de energizing idle line and equipment.
01:19:37.040 --> 01:19:42.040
The Board recommends that the investor-owned utilities
01:19:42.910 --> 01:19:45.680
provide more information about tracking equipment
01:19:45.680 --> 01:19:49.110
that is exempt from General Order 95.
01:19:49.110 --> 01:19:51.730
And that's generally equipment that was
01:19:51.730 --> 01:19:53.930
in place before the general order
01:19:53.930 --> 01:19:57.523
was created in 1942, I believe.
01:19:59.500 --> 01:20:00.950
Finally, the board recommends
01:20:01.990 --> 01:20:05.010
the wildfire Safety Division consider
01:20:05.010 --> 01:20:07.680
and evaluate PGAs grid hardening metrics
01:20:07.680 --> 01:20:11.730
and how this year there's reduced progress
01:20:11.730 --> 01:20:15.703
in hardening its lines compared to the other large IOUs.
01:20:17.540 --> 01:20:18.490
Next slide, please.
01:20:22.100 --> 01:20:25.940
The power safety power shutoffs,
01:20:25.940 --> 01:20:29.473
the board recommends whilst our safety division,
01:20:32.130 --> 01:20:33.870
the wildfire Safety Division should recognize
01:20:33.870 --> 01:20:36.360
the IOUs are making progress
01:20:36.360 --> 01:20:39.880
and using modeling to prioritize grid hardening measures
01:20:39.880 --> 01:20:41.410
that will eventually reduce the size
01:20:41.410 --> 01:20:44.390
and scope of PSPS events.
01:20:44.390 --> 01:20:48.530
And this is similar to the boards system hardening
01:20:48.530 --> 01:20:51.763
for electrical utility resiliency, privatization threshold.
01:20:53.822 --> 01:20:55.927
The board also recommends that the WSC
01:20:57.250 --> 01:21:00.110
should request the IOUs to describe how they utilize
01:21:00.110 --> 01:21:03.450
the data collected during and after a PSPS event
01:21:03.450 --> 01:21:06.443
to evaluate the effectiveness of their mitigation efforts.
01:21:07.990 --> 01:21:12.083
And finally, the board recommends that the WSB
01:21:13.550 --> 01:21:15.400
should request the IOUs conduct studies
01:21:15.400 --> 01:21:19.090
to evaluate the effectiveness of their mitigation efforts.
01:21:19.090 --> 01:21:19.923
Next slide.
01:21:23.240 --> 01:21:24.543
Okay. The last section.
01:21:25.440 --> 01:21:27.950
Emergency planning and communication.
01:21:27.950 --> 01:21:31.010
The board recommends the wildfire Safety Division
01:21:31.010 --> 01:21:36.010
consider the expanded outreach in 2020 compared to 2019.
01:21:36.250 --> 01:21:39.860
The IOUs have improved reporting on community outreach
01:21:39.860 --> 01:21:44.683
efforts in the 2020 WMPs compared to the 2019 WMPS.
01:21:45.640 --> 01:21:48.732
The board recommends the wildfire Safety Division
01:21:48.732 --> 01:21:51.930
consider the awareness of utility efforts
01:21:51.930 --> 01:21:54.387
to quantify these efforts.
01:21:54.387 --> 01:21:58.440
The utilities have made strides to improve both the quality
01:21:58.440 --> 01:22:02.450
and quantity of outreach efforts to local, state, federal
01:22:02.450 --> 01:22:06.150
and tribal governments, as well as the access
01:22:06.150 --> 01:22:08.550
and functional needs community,
01:22:08.550 --> 01:22:11.913
other at-risk populations and customers in general.
01:22:12.880 --> 01:22:15.510
Finally, the board recommends
01:22:15.510 --> 01:22:18.730
the wildfire safety Division request more information
01:22:18.730 --> 01:22:22.430
on the metrics used to evaluate the sufficiency
01:22:22.430 --> 01:22:27.253
of the outreach efforts to customers and stakeholders.
01:22:28.360 --> 01:22:32.733
And with that, I pass it off back to Vice Chair Fellman.
01:22:35.450 --> 01:22:38.803
Thank you very much, Ms. Catherine and Ms. Harold.
01:22:39.830 --> 01:22:43.550
Now we are going to turn to the discussion--
01:22:43.550 --> 01:22:44.383
One moment.
01:22:45.738 --> 01:22:46.783
Recommendations by the board members.
01:22:47.660 --> 01:22:51.350
Before we go to that I'm going to ask
01:22:51.350 --> 01:22:52.980
if anyone had any general comments,
01:22:52.980 --> 01:22:55.126
so I'll call in Mr. Mader.
01:22:55.126 --> 01:22:56.930
Thank you Co Chair Fellman.
01:22:56.930 --> 01:23:01.370
I wanted to note that we have one...
01:23:02.580 --> 01:23:04.803
We amended our recommendation.
01:23:06.460 --> 01:23:10.070
We have one comment which was to add to
01:23:10.070 --> 01:23:12.547
the PSPS recommendations.
01:23:14.983 --> 01:23:19.983
Recommendation number two
01:23:22.070 --> 01:23:25.990
The WSC should request the IOUs conduct independent short
01:23:25.990 --> 01:23:29.130
and long-term studies that evaluate and mitigation practices
01:23:29.130 --> 01:23:32.190
including enhanced vegetation management grid, hardening
01:23:32.190 --> 01:23:36.250
et cetera, to assess their effective in mitigating wildfires
01:23:36.250 --> 01:23:38.805
and in mending (indistinct)
01:23:38.805 --> 01:23:41.383
and reducing PSPS events, period.
01:23:43.390 --> 01:23:44.223
All right.
01:23:44.223 --> 01:23:45.163
Thank you.
01:23:45.163 --> 01:23:47.100
I was actually going to wait till we got to that section
01:23:47.100 --> 01:23:50.220
but since you raised it now, that's okay.
01:23:50.220 --> 01:23:51.400
Since you raised it now,
01:23:51.400 --> 01:23:56.400
I just want to hear specifically on that addition
01:23:57.730 --> 01:24:00.673
if there are any objections from the board.
01:24:00.673 --> 01:24:02.670
We don't have to vote on it now,
01:24:02.670 --> 01:24:06.710
we can vote on it when we do the roll call
01:24:06.710 --> 01:24:07.930
on the recommendations
01:24:07.930 --> 01:24:10.560
but are there any objections from any board members
01:24:10.560 --> 01:24:13.530
to the addition of this language proposed
01:24:13.530 --> 01:24:16.523
by board member Mader?
01:24:19.770 --> 01:24:22.660
Seeing none, let's proceed.
01:24:22.660 --> 01:24:27.660
And since I, since we are under Bagley-Keene requirements,
01:24:28.290 --> 01:24:30.360
we'll move to the discussion.
01:24:30.360 --> 01:24:35.360
And I am not aware of what or whom worked on each section
01:24:39.821 --> 01:24:42.730
because we divided into the Bagley-Keene
01:24:42.730 --> 01:24:44.638
I'm aware of the members who worked, you know
01:24:44.638 --> 01:24:48.810
with whom I worked in Bagley Keene committees.
01:24:48.810 --> 01:24:51.310
And Bagley Keene for those of you who may not know
01:24:52.960 --> 01:24:57.720
is the name of the two legislators who passed
01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:00.660
the legislation on open meeting requirements
01:25:00.660 --> 01:25:03.960
in the state of California for public agencies
01:25:03.960 --> 01:25:05.720
at the state level.
01:25:05.720 --> 01:25:08.992
So as we turn to Section Two.
01:25:08.992 --> 01:25:11.280
If you could just raise your hands
01:25:11.280 --> 01:25:16.100
on who worked on Section Two I'll just call on you.
01:25:16.100 --> 01:25:20.020
So we have board members Syphard and board member Mader
01:25:21.894 --> 01:25:23.484
and then board member Blocks.
01:25:23.484 --> 01:25:25.030
So who would like to...
01:25:25.030 --> 01:25:28.140
Let's just go in alphabetical order.
01:25:28.140 --> 01:25:30.580
So why don't we go start with board member Block
01:25:30.580 --> 01:25:34.133
and then you can hand it off to your colleague.
01:25:37.840 --> 01:25:39.974
Oh, and the other thing I want to mention is
01:25:39.974 --> 01:25:44.974
let's do a round of comments by each board member
01:25:45.040 --> 01:25:48.330
who worked on a sub topic and then when you're finished
01:25:48.330 --> 01:25:50.390
with that we'll open it up to general questions
01:25:50.390 --> 01:25:51.223
from the board.
01:25:51.223 --> 01:25:53.120
Because again under the Bagley-Keene
01:25:53.120 --> 01:25:55.904
open meeting requirements we have not discussed
01:25:55.904 --> 01:26:00.900
these recommendations as a board in private
01:26:00.900 --> 01:26:03.880
and we are required to do it in this public meeting
01:26:03.880 --> 01:26:05.710
before we vote.
01:26:05.710 --> 01:26:07.163
So thank you very much.
01:26:08.650 --> 01:26:09.683
Board member, Block.
01:26:12.230 --> 01:26:16.850
Okay. So, should I do some generalized comments
01:26:16.850 --> 01:26:20.400
about just Section Two or in general?
01:26:22.550 --> 01:26:23.383
Let's do this.
01:26:24.460 --> 01:26:26.120
You can do...
01:26:26.120 --> 01:26:31.060
The first time you speak since we jumped in,
01:26:31.060 --> 01:26:35.093
why don't you go ahead and do general comments.
01:26:36.690 --> 01:26:38.570
If anyone else have just general comments
01:26:38.570 --> 01:26:40.383
before we drill into the section?
01:26:42.190 --> 01:26:44.140
So mine are basically kind of both, right?
01:26:44.140 --> 01:26:45.810
They're sort of general, but they--
01:26:45.810 --> 01:26:49.550
Why don't we dive into the section
01:26:49.550 --> 01:26:52.573
and you can start with whatever you wanna say.
01:26:55.158 --> 01:26:55.991
Okay, great.
01:26:55.991 --> 01:26:58.670
So, you know, in general I was pleased
01:26:58.670 --> 01:27:01.380
to see greater reporting on the risk assessment section
01:27:01.380 --> 01:27:05.670
by the IOUs and I just recognized
01:27:05.670 --> 01:27:10.670
I want to state the recognition that this is the first time
01:27:11.370 --> 01:27:13.583
that I know of that a regulatory agency
01:27:13.583 --> 01:27:18.583
is required to understand and evaluate emerging science
01:27:19.790 --> 01:27:21.980
and data science methods.
01:27:21.980 --> 01:27:24.570
So there's, you know extensive machine learning happening
01:27:24.570 --> 01:27:26.120
that each of the IOUs are employing
01:27:26.120 --> 01:27:28.495
for the first time in the last few years,
01:27:28.495 --> 01:27:31.620
as well as emerging wildfire science.
01:27:31.620 --> 01:27:36.010
And not only is that difficult for the regulators
01:27:36.010 --> 01:27:38.993
to understand in order to regulate
01:27:38.993 --> 01:27:43.900
but those are also very, very quickly moving targets.
01:27:43.900 --> 01:27:47.350
So we're in a process.
01:27:47.350 --> 01:27:49.310
The board is in a process of trying to understand
01:27:49.310 --> 01:27:52.790
how we can request the evaluation of these methods
01:27:54.260 --> 01:27:56.860
so that we can provide our expertise.
01:27:56.860 --> 01:28:00.930
And, you know, I think that's part of what the board
01:28:00.930 --> 01:28:02.760
is here to do is to offer our expertise
01:28:02.760 --> 01:28:04.750
in these methods and to also help
01:28:04.750 --> 01:28:09.750
the safety division learn how to receive that information
01:28:12.330 --> 01:28:13.973
and be able to vet it properly.
01:28:16.850 --> 01:28:18.673
That is partly why we hosted
01:28:18.673 --> 01:28:21.810
the vegetation management workshop that we did
01:28:23.130 --> 01:28:27.130
in part to this reveal what emerging research
01:28:27.130 --> 01:28:31.220
is out there and how that might be useful in the process
01:28:31.220 --> 01:28:34.513
for both evaluation and for management analysis.
01:28:37.910 --> 01:28:40.070
I'll leave it there in terms of the risk assessment section.
01:28:40.070 --> 01:28:41.740
Those are my comments for now.
01:28:41.740 --> 01:28:42.573
Thank you.
01:28:49.140 --> 01:28:52.770
So I'll be the moderator then board member, Mader
01:28:52.770 --> 01:28:54.593
and then board member, Syphard.
01:28:56.880 --> 01:29:00.600
So I really wanted to point out that you know,
01:29:00.600 --> 01:29:04.150
the strong need for more transparency upon the risk bottles
01:29:04.150 --> 01:29:08.590
that the utilities are reporting in their WMPSs
01:29:08.590 --> 01:29:10.500
which I also wanna say,
01:29:10.500 --> 01:29:13.420
obviously have become more sophisticated,
01:29:13.420 --> 01:29:15.048
becoming more discreet
01:29:15.048 --> 01:29:19.030
but we still don't have the details of exactly
01:29:19.030 --> 01:29:19.863
what they are.
01:29:22.160 --> 01:29:24.640
Without that we can't evaluate,
01:29:24.640 --> 01:29:27.040
we can't determine best practices.
01:29:27.040 --> 01:29:30.923
We can't determine, you know, how to make things better.
01:29:31.770 --> 01:29:33.560
As an engineer, trying to think
01:29:33.560 --> 01:29:36.200
of how to solve these problems,
01:29:36.200 --> 01:29:39.030
wildfire mitigation and PSPS reduction,
01:29:39.030 --> 01:29:41.090
which I wanna say that for the first time,
01:29:41.090 --> 01:29:44.740
the WMPs are starting to talk about both those goals
01:29:44.740 --> 01:29:46.970
together as part of their risk analysis
01:29:46.970 --> 01:29:49.853
which I think is a commendable step forward.
01:29:52.781 --> 01:29:57.781
If I need tools like I need a probability of ignition
01:29:57.903 --> 01:30:00.520
at a particular line segment,
01:30:00.520 --> 01:30:02.020
I need consequence mapping.
01:30:02.020 --> 01:30:04.680
I need weather mapping modeling
01:30:04.680 --> 01:30:06.630
and without those tools,
01:30:06.630 --> 01:30:09.053
I can't determine what's the right mitigation
01:30:09.053 --> 01:30:12.690
to get where we're trying to go,
01:30:12.690 --> 01:30:15.570
which is to reduce wildfire ignitions
01:30:15.570 --> 01:30:19.920
and also to potentially reduce PSPS events.
01:30:19.920 --> 01:30:24.530
And those tools are becoming more sophisticated
01:30:24.530 --> 01:30:27.760
but they're not the details of what they are
01:30:27.760 --> 01:30:31.210
and the competence level and which the utilities have
01:30:31.210 --> 01:30:33.073
in these tools are not clear.
01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:38.780
So, generally, like we need more detail
01:30:38.780 --> 01:30:41.570
a lot more detail about what tools they're using
01:30:47.180 --> 01:30:48.380
Board member, Syphard.
01:30:49.860 --> 01:30:52.600
Yeah. I'm not sure if this is the time for this
01:30:52.600 --> 01:30:55.440
but I have I have just a few thoughts
01:30:55.440 --> 01:30:59.320
that provide a little bit of explanation
01:31:00.250 --> 01:31:01.963
on the recommendation.
01:31:04.760 --> 01:31:09.450
So, you know, specifically in terms of we keep saying,
01:31:09.450 --> 01:31:13.200
well, we need more information, we need more transparency.
01:31:13.200 --> 01:31:15.650
What does that actually mean?
01:31:15.650 --> 01:31:19.863
And just a couple of examples of the kind of information
01:31:19.863 --> 01:31:22.360
that is helpful are.
01:31:22.360 --> 01:31:27.360
For example, you know, when the utilities described
01:31:27.980 --> 01:31:29.854
that they're now using machine learning
01:31:29.854 --> 01:31:31.500
that doesn't tell me a lot
01:31:31.500 --> 01:31:33.000
because there are many different types
01:31:33.000 --> 01:31:35.860
of machine learning algorithms and all of them
01:31:35.860 --> 01:31:37.373
have different assumptions.
01:31:38.870 --> 01:31:41.920
And each different model type has inherited assumptions.
01:31:41.920 --> 01:31:46.255
So for example, a statistical correlational model
01:31:46.255 --> 01:31:50.410
typically has the assumption that it assumes equilibrium
01:31:50.410 --> 01:31:51.460
with the environment.
01:31:53.120 --> 01:31:55.020
What is the accuracy of the model?
01:31:55.020 --> 01:31:57.630
So if you're using statistics, what is the AUC?
01:31:59.190 --> 01:32:02.294
And importantly, what are the sources of uncertainty?
01:32:02.294 --> 01:32:06.270
All models have uncertainty, all models are wrong
01:32:06.270 --> 01:32:09.900
but some are useful as you know, as is often said.
01:32:09.900 --> 01:32:14.790
And so what's important is to have an explanation
01:32:15.670 --> 01:32:20.330
and justification for here's why we chose this method.
01:32:20.330 --> 01:32:21.950
Here's what its limitations are.
01:32:21.950 --> 01:32:23.070
Here are strengths.
01:32:23.070 --> 01:32:25.530
And this is what it can tell us.
01:32:25.530 --> 01:32:28.830
Here are the outputs and then an interpretation
01:32:28.830 --> 01:32:30.690
of what those outputs are.
01:32:30.690 --> 01:32:35.660
So, you know, to list the strengths and weaknesses
01:32:35.660 --> 01:32:40.660
of any given approach allows for full disclosure
01:32:40.690 --> 01:32:44.140
and it allows the process to be more transparent
01:32:44.140 --> 01:32:47.923
and it also allows improvement based on other's input.
01:32:49.300 --> 01:32:50.980
The other thing I wanted to mention
01:32:50.980 --> 01:32:53.960
in terms of the independent scientific review
01:32:54.800 --> 01:32:59.270
is that being a scientist and having spent my entire life
01:32:59.270 --> 01:33:02.003
not being able to do anything without peer review.
01:33:03.710 --> 01:33:05.380
First of all, I think it's important
01:33:05.380 --> 01:33:08.680
because to have an unbiased review.
01:33:08.680 --> 01:33:12.380
So something that you know, it's given out to somebody
01:33:12.380 --> 01:33:15.550
who is qualified but has no conflict of interest.
01:33:15.550 --> 01:33:17.590
The reviewer could even be anonymous
01:33:17.590 --> 01:33:20.053
unless they wish to state who they are.
01:33:21.862 --> 01:33:25.321
And the feedback is honest.
01:33:25.321 --> 01:33:27.450
So if there's no conflict of interest,
01:33:27.450 --> 01:33:30.970
it's gonna be honest and it's gonna be the most helpful.
01:33:30.970 --> 01:33:32.450
And it could be something
01:33:34.049 --> 01:33:35.830
where it doesn't have to be that onerous
01:33:35.830 --> 01:33:37.100
and that you could divide it up
01:33:37.100 --> 01:33:39.230
into different areas of expertise
01:33:39.230 --> 01:33:41.620
so you get a range of different experts who have
01:33:41.620 --> 01:33:44.910
different types of expertise.
01:33:44.910 --> 01:33:49.112
For example, an ecologist and a meteorologist study wildfire
01:33:49.112 --> 01:33:51.200
from very different perspectives
01:33:51.200 --> 01:33:52.920
and have very different understanding
01:33:52.920 --> 01:33:54.553
and contributions to make.
01:33:56.180 --> 01:33:59.840
And then finally, I think it would be helpful
01:33:59.840 --> 01:34:03.950
to somehow just develop a living document that describes
01:34:03.950 --> 01:34:06.820
in detail, all the models and assumptions
01:34:06.820 --> 01:34:10.230
and this document can be reviewed and updated
01:34:10.230 --> 01:34:12.340
and it would take time to do the peer review.
01:34:12.340 --> 01:34:14.670
It would take time to develop the document
01:34:14.670 --> 01:34:17.767
but once established the document could be pending
01:34:17.767 --> 01:34:20.240
and it only ever needs to be updated
01:34:20.240 --> 01:34:23.253
instead of completely recreating every single time
01:34:23.253 --> 01:34:24.930
a review comes along.
01:34:24.930 --> 01:34:29.143
So there are my thoughts on specifics for this section.
01:34:31.780 --> 01:34:32.963
Thank you so much.
01:34:38.310 --> 01:34:41.660
Are there any questions for these board members?
01:34:41.660 --> 01:34:43.208
Mr. Mader.
01:34:43.208 --> 01:34:46.386
I wanted to, while we're talking about risk assessment
01:34:46.386 --> 01:34:48.386
and resource allocation,
01:34:49.350 --> 01:34:51.410
you need risk assessments in order to do
01:34:51.410 --> 01:34:53.464
your risk efficiency calculations
01:34:53.464 --> 01:34:56.990
in order to find out where you wanna allocate your resources
01:34:56.990 --> 01:34:58.710
to solve the problems that you're trying to solve for
01:34:58.710 --> 01:35:00.220
which is in this case we're talking about
01:35:00.220 --> 01:35:05.220
mitigating wildfires and also now which is great this year,
01:35:05.258 --> 01:35:07.650
we're talking about reducing PSPS events.
01:35:07.650 --> 01:35:11.830
And I really wanted to highlight San Diego Gas and Electric
01:35:11.830 --> 01:35:14.690
that this year, and let's acknowledge that they've been
01:35:15.693 --> 01:35:16.720
at this longer than the other IOUs.
01:35:16.720 --> 01:35:21.720
So their program had longer to be implemented.
01:35:21.794 --> 01:35:26.760
They've had longer to allocate their resources
01:35:26.760 --> 01:35:29.750
but this year they're going to have
01:35:29.750 --> 01:35:31.820
a (indistinct) transmission line
01:35:31.820 --> 01:35:36.610
into every substation in the high fire threat distance areas
01:35:36.610 --> 01:35:37.950
in their territory.
01:35:37.950 --> 01:35:40.710
Which means that they are thinking
01:35:40.710 --> 01:35:43.860
about I can't solve the problem all at once
01:35:43.860 --> 01:35:46.170
but what I can do is I can start allocating it
01:35:46.170 --> 01:35:48.460
to every single one of these substations
01:35:48.460 --> 01:35:52.820
so that potentially now we can start excluding populations
01:35:52.820 --> 01:35:54.720
from PSPS events that they otherwise
01:35:54.720 --> 01:35:57.583
would have been been experiencing,
01:35:58.440 --> 01:36:00.130
that the powers were distributed,
01:36:00.130 --> 01:36:02.710
certain emergency services are more robust
01:36:02.710 --> 01:36:05.890
because of different vital infrastructure
01:36:05.890 --> 01:36:07.366
resulting in power.
01:36:07.366 --> 01:36:11.645
And that is that's an example of a long-term planning
01:36:11.645 --> 01:36:16.645
in order to gain benefits from like system hardening.
01:36:16.726 --> 01:36:20.240
But where that comes from is from your risk assessment
01:36:20.240 --> 01:36:21.690
and your resource allocation.
01:36:26.910 --> 01:36:31.533
Any other comments or questions on section two?
01:36:36.150 --> 01:36:36.983
All right.
01:36:36.983 --> 01:36:40.200
Let's move on to Section Three, vegetation management.
01:36:40.200 --> 01:36:42.710
Could the board members who worked on the section
01:36:42.710 --> 01:36:44.983
please raise your hands.
01:36:46.840 --> 01:36:47.673
All right.
01:36:47.673 --> 01:36:51.363
Why don't we again, go in alphabetical order?
01:36:52.860 --> 01:36:55.360
Board member Armstrong, could you please lead off.
01:36:57.429 --> 01:37:00.745
Okay thanks, Vice Chair Fellman.
01:37:00.745 --> 01:37:02.840
You know, I've actually been involved in
01:37:02.840 --> 01:37:05.640
a couple of different team groups
01:37:05.640 --> 01:37:08.950
so there's a kind of a cross-section between some of these.
01:37:08.950 --> 01:37:11.130
But some of the ones I wanna just point out is,
01:37:11.130 --> 01:37:13.100
as we we're reading the mitigation plans
01:37:13.100 --> 01:37:15.150
and have the workshops and things like that,
01:37:15.150 --> 01:37:20.150
we've found that there's a possibility
01:37:20.220 --> 01:37:23.650
that some of the IOUs were issued citations
01:37:23.650 --> 01:37:27.480
from other state agencies that we didn't have privy to.
01:37:27.480 --> 01:37:30.240
So, you know, there's a recommendation
01:37:30.240 --> 01:37:34.880
to actually have those citations available
01:37:34.880 --> 01:37:37.388
when we review the documents
01:37:37.388 --> 01:37:42.388
just to get a basic transparent view of what was, you know
01:37:44.160 --> 01:37:48.664
what they may have been possible doing in the past.
01:37:48.664 --> 01:37:52.640
And then the other one I just wanna touch base on
01:37:52.640 --> 01:37:54.150
was just a standardized training program
01:37:54.150 --> 01:37:55.540
for the men and women are out there
01:37:55.540 --> 01:37:57.789
actually performing the work
01:37:57.789 --> 01:38:01.113
of vegetation management I believe is right.
01:38:02.147 --> 01:38:07.147
But the tracking and documentation of that, I believe,
01:38:08.470 --> 01:38:09.530
there needs to be more to that.
01:38:09.530 --> 01:38:12.680
So those were the two things that I ended up figuring out
01:38:12.680 --> 01:38:14.830
as some of the things as we move down here
01:38:14.830 --> 01:38:17.050
that'll (indistinct)
01:38:19.080 --> 01:38:19.913
That's it.
01:38:20.903 --> 01:38:21.736
All right.
01:38:21.736 --> 01:38:23.653
Thank you, board member, Block.
01:38:26.670 --> 01:38:29.300
Hi, this what I have to say about this section
01:38:29.300 --> 01:38:30.683
and in a broader sense.
01:38:32.270 --> 01:38:34.060
Dovetails from our public commenters
01:38:34.060 --> 01:38:36.080
at the beginning of our sessions.
01:38:36.080 --> 01:38:38.060
What we've heard from many of them
01:38:38.060 --> 01:38:40.390
in different ways is that vegetation clearance
01:38:40.390 --> 01:38:44.730
is not the only metric that we need to be using
01:38:44.730 --> 01:38:47.992
to judge our vegetation management practices
01:38:47.992 --> 01:38:51.770
and really there's a cut...
01:38:51.770 --> 01:38:54.880
Then when you go past clearance,
01:38:54.880 --> 01:38:56.100
the decision making process
01:38:56.100 --> 01:38:57.930
becomes much much more complicated
01:38:57.930 --> 01:39:00.290
because it's really ecologically based
01:39:00.290 --> 01:39:03.660
and dependent on not only what the environment
01:39:03.660 --> 01:39:07.220
is but the nature of wildfire passing through that area.
01:39:07.220 --> 01:39:11.060
And so, you know, we recommend that those decisions
01:39:11.060 --> 01:39:14.993
be made differently and embark on structuring a way
01:39:14.993 --> 01:39:19.923
that that can be done in a more sustainable fashion.
01:39:20.808 --> 01:39:22.403
And that's the end of my comments.
01:39:24.460 --> 01:39:25.740
Board member, Syphad.
01:39:27.720 --> 01:39:31.900
Yeah. just a couple of comments
01:39:31.900 --> 01:39:35.789
on a reminder of the potential reasons
01:39:35.789 --> 01:39:39.143
why healthy green trees may be important.
01:39:40.240 --> 01:39:44.323
One is that they provide ecosystem services.
01:39:45.874 --> 01:39:46.780
So they reduce erosion,
01:39:46.780 --> 01:39:47.940
they store carbon,
01:39:47.940 --> 01:39:51.920
they provide habitat for wildlife and other animals.
01:39:51.920 --> 01:39:54.744
And the other thing is that contrary
01:39:54.744 --> 01:39:59.500
to what many believe having vegetation that's green
01:39:59.500 --> 01:40:01.830
and on the ground can actually provide benefits
01:40:01.830 --> 01:40:03.420
in terms of wildfire.
01:40:03.420 --> 01:40:06.411
And these, like Jessica was just saying,
01:40:06.411 --> 01:40:08.870
a lot of these were mentioned in the public comments
01:40:08.870 --> 01:40:13.633
is that you know, trees can serve to reduce wind speed.
01:40:14.990 --> 01:40:19.054
They also can catch embers and extinguish them.
01:40:19.054 --> 01:40:24.054
So, you know, in these really fast, strong
01:40:24.380 --> 01:40:27.410
wind born, wind-driven wildfires
01:40:27.410 --> 01:40:32.410
fire spread is usually facilitated by when lone embers
01:40:33.610 --> 01:40:35.680
and if they land on something green,
01:40:35.680 --> 01:40:37.100
they're more likely to go out
01:40:37.100 --> 01:40:39.910
as opposed to landing on flashy fuels
01:40:39.910 --> 01:40:42.290
which are more likely to keep it igniting
01:40:42.290 --> 01:40:43.620
and that brings me back
01:40:45.509 --> 01:40:49.283
to the point about being careful that you know
01:40:49.283 --> 01:40:51.649
that there's no unintended consequence
01:40:51.649 --> 01:40:55.610
of reducing woody vegetation
01:40:55.610 --> 01:40:58.410
particularly if it's low growing
01:40:58.410 --> 01:41:01.210
and it's underneath the line
01:41:01.210 --> 01:41:04.970
and, you know inviting flashy fuels
01:41:04.970 --> 01:41:06.670
and invasive grasses to come in
01:41:06.670 --> 01:41:09.930
which could actually, you know
01:41:09.930 --> 01:41:13.984
increase fire risks because they're much more ignitable.
01:41:13.984 --> 01:41:16.680
So that's just a little bit of explanation
01:41:16.680 --> 01:41:19.403
about where those recommendations are coming from.
01:41:23.900 --> 01:41:24.894
Thank you.
01:41:24.894 --> 01:41:28.900
Are there any questions from other board members
01:41:28.900 --> 01:41:33.113
or even the ones who worked on this or your colleagues.
01:41:38.210 --> 01:41:41.820
Seeing none, we'll now move to Section Four
01:41:41.820 --> 01:41:44.650
which is system design and grid hardening.
01:41:44.650 --> 01:41:47.533
Will the members who worked on that?
01:41:48.730 --> 01:41:53.130
All right, let's start with Mr. Armstrong
01:41:53.130 --> 01:41:57.930
then turn it over to the board member, Mader
01:41:57.930 --> 01:41:59.600
and then finally board Porter.
01:41:59.600 --> 01:42:02.283
So take it away Mr. Armstrong.
01:42:03.510 --> 01:42:05.690
Thanks again, Co-chair.
01:42:05.690 --> 01:42:08.950
So a couple of things under the grid hardening
01:42:10.890 --> 01:42:13.310
that I thought was important.
01:42:13.310 --> 01:42:18.310
And first of all, I'd like to basically talk about
01:42:18.620 --> 01:42:21.910
the emerging technologies and some of the devices
01:42:21.910 --> 01:42:23.360
that IOUs are looking at.
01:42:23.360 --> 01:42:25.119
I think that if they can...
01:42:25.119 --> 01:42:27.430
If those things prove to be effective.
01:42:27.430 --> 01:42:29.250
I mean, it could be a game changer for a lot of this.
01:42:29.250 --> 01:42:32.190
So I just wanted to point that out.
01:42:32.190 --> 01:42:35.170
It could be a game-changer for the utility
01:42:35.170 --> 01:42:39.970
on equipment for preventing that from starting wildfires.
01:42:39.970 --> 01:42:42.264
One of the other things I noticed
01:42:42.264 --> 01:42:45.530
in one or two of the Wildfire mitigation plans,
01:42:45.530 --> 01:42:49.610
was the benchmarking of a place of ideal with wildfires.
01:42:49.610 --> 01:42:52.110
And I was coming from the East coast
01:42:52.110 --> 01:42:56.830
and seeing how the areas in the country that are faced
01:42:56.830 --> 01:43:00.280
with high wind and storms all the time on a regular basis,
01:43:00.280 --> 01:43:02.130
and they're hardening efforts that they've done to deal
01:43:02.130 --> 01:43:03.750
with hurricanes.
01:43:03.750 --> 01:43:05.370
The recommendation would be maybe looking
01:43:05.370 --> 01:43:07.750
at some benchmarking of some of those utilities
01:43:07.750 --> 01:43:09.410
that deal with it on a regular basis.
01:43:09.410 --> 01:43:12.044
I mean, I can tell you that the restoration times
01:43:12.044 --> 01:43:16.872
in those areas that face catastrophic hurricanes
01:43:16.872 --> 01:43:19.270
are a lot quicker.
01:43:19.270 --> 01:43:24.270
The only difference between a lot of the wind-driven event,
01:43:25.074 --> 01:43:29.799
that's the most common denominator here, is the wind,
01:43:29.799 --> 01:43:32.620
the difference being in a hurricane
01:43:32.620 --> 01:43:35.120
it's a wet event with no fire risk
01:43:35.120 --> 01:43:36.920
but they do harden the system.
01:43:36.920 --> 01:43:40.280
Simple things like storm guards that might stabilize
01:43:40.280 --> 01:43:43.160
the system a little better in areas where they know
01:43:43.160 --> 01:43:47.330
the high wind is gonna run through a Valley or something
01:43:49.111 --> 01:43:50.350
like that to help stabilize the existing equipment.
01:43:50.350 --> 01:43:53.921
Maybe it could that wind threshold a little higher.
01:43:53.921 --> 01:43:56.990
The other thing that, you know thinking of the Kincade fire
01:43:56.990 --> 01:43:59.970
and idle lines, you know as you start thinking through it
01:43:59.970 --> 01:44:04.920
there's a lot of equipment out there from stakes
01:44:04.920 --> 01:44:09.688
in transmission and distribution to secondary services,
01:44:09.688 --> 01:44:11.920
to agricultural equipment that could be
01:44:11.920 --> 01:44:15.140
on the border of the high fire threat districts
01:44:15.140 --> 01:44:19.416
and evaluating that equipment and seeing
01:44:19.416 --> 01:44:23.440
if it needs to be energized like what we're all doing here
01:44:23.440 --> 01:44:24.770
is evaluating the risks.
01:44:24.770 --> 01:44:28.024
And if it's not actually feeding something
01:44:28.024 --> 01:44:31.140
why are we keeping it energized?
01:44:31.140 --> 01:44:35.263
So those are some of the big topics that I have on this.
01:44:42.380 --> 01:44:44.620
Thank you, Mr. Armstrong.
01:44:53.730 --> 01:44:57.730
Board member, Mader I think your phone is muted.
01:44:59.900 --> 01:45:00.733
I'm sorry.
01:45:00.733 --> 01:45:02.708
I was trying to say I'm (indistinct)
01:45:02.708 --> 01:45:03.623
board member, Porter first.
01:45:06.150 --> 01:45:07.647
Alright, thank you.
01:45:10.247 --> 01:45:13.970
So when I examined these, what stood out to me
01:45:13.970 --> 01:45:18.363
trying to understand all three permissions,
01:45:19.760 --> 01:45:23.260
you're talking about the, the training program.
01:45:23.260 --> 01:45:26.420
However, not enough detail was there for us
01:45:26.420 --> 01:45:29.140
to really examine, you know, the efficacy
01:45:29.140 --> 01:45:32.370
as we go through each plan in each update
01:45:32.370 --> 01:45:34.690
to whether it's specific enough
01:45:34.690 --> 01:45:36.473
to wildfire mitigation.
01:45:37.920 --> 01:45:42.920
Being a layman myself, going out, replacing a pot
01:45:44.130 --> 01:45:47.550
on the street is different than going in the woods,
01:45:47.550 --> 01:45:50.253
putting up a cover conductor,
01:45:51.370 --> 01:45:55.340
assessing whether or not we can put in isolators in a place
01:45:55.340 --> 01:45:57.190
where we can start to sectionalize
01:45:57.190 --> 01:45:59.417
what type of equipment is there.
01:45:59.417 --> 01:46:01.730
And so a little bit more detailed would probably
01:46:01.730 --> 01:46:06.440
help us understand exactly what additional training
01:46:06.440 --> 01:46:08.861
is being introduced or proposed
01:46:08.861 --> 01:46:13.861
and how it actually helped in the mitigation efforts.
01:46:14.321 --> 01:46:19.023
Again, also we recommended, or I did,
01:46:21.800 --> 01:46:25.100
insisting that we continue
01:46:25.100 --> 01:46:26.950
with the qualified electrical worker
01:46:26.950 --> 01:46:29.070
doing the assessments in the inspections
01:46:29.070 --> 01:46:30.323
in the high fire areas.
01:46:30.323 --> 01:46:34.963
That there's one IOU who is utilizing
01:46:34.963 --> 01:46:38.870
it's current electrical system inspector
01:46:38.870 --> 01:46:42.320
which their wheelhouse really is
01:46:42.320 --> 01:46:45.543
in compliance with General Order 95.
01:46:46.721 --> 01:46:51.721
(indistinct) high signs construction for the public.
01:46:54.486 --> 01:46:57.086
It was important in the beginning with the inception
01:47:00.100 --> 01:47:04.630
of us all recognizing that this was important for us to put
01:47:04.630 --> 01:47:06.620
in a concerted effort.
01:47:06.620 --> 01:47:11.620
All the IOUs, the PUC and the state legislature mandated
01:47:13.350 --> 01:47:18.350
the WMPs and they instituted or tasked us to examine
01:47:20.870 --> 01:47:23.990
and give recommendations to the safety division
01:47:26.691 --> 01:47:31.690
In the inception it was qualified electrical workers only.
01:47:31.690 --> 01:47:35.060
And if we reduce that requirement
01:47:36.660 --> 01:47:38.953
then I see that as being problematic.
01:47:40.280 --> 01:47:44.260
One of the IOUs wrote a comment back to us giving us
01:47:44.260 --> 01:47:49.260
the details of how they utilize their electrical inspectors.
01:47:49.556 --> 01:47:53.120
They sent it through QC process
01:47:53.120 --> 01:47:56.750
and then to a few QEW to sign off.
01:47:56.750 --> 01:48:00.417
I find that a poor use of repairs dollars
01:48:03.730 --> 01:48:08.040
to do the thing that the QEW can do in the beginning.
01:48:10.170 --> 01:48:11.470
And those are my comments.
01:48:17.212 --> 01:48:22.212
My comment, I wanted to point out that, you know
01:48:24.523 --> 01:48:28.540
we hear system hardening, system design and grid hardening
01:48:28.540 --> 01:48:30.670
and we think that that is the solution
01:48:30.670 --> 01:48:34.767
to these outages that we're experiencing in PSPS events.
01:48:36.440 --> 01:48:38.593
That doesn't necessarily actually happen.
01:48:39.970 --> 01:48:44.970
Their PSPS events happen when the system is designed
01:48:45.482 --> 01:48:47.530
to be too risky.
01:48:47.530 --> 01:48:51.490
At this point in time, there's been very little effort
01:48:51.490 --> 01:48:54.810
to deem what is an acceptable risk to operate
01:48:54.810 --> 01:48:59.600
during high wind events as a result of grid hardening.
01:48:59.600 --> 01:49:04.600
There are some comments that were made in the WMP
01:49:04.690 --> 01:49:07.340
but explicitly tying the avoidance
01:49:07.340 --> 01:49:09.300
of a PSPS to grid hardening.
01:49:09.300 --> 01:49:12.020
Usually the utility talk about undergrounding
01:49:12.020 --> 01:49:15.560
the facilities and we are actually starting
01:49:15.560 --> 01:49:19.490
to see some advancement in this area
01:49:19.490 --> 01:49:21.750
but really what we need to realize
01:49:21.750 --> 01:49:24.510
if we're trying to get to that goal of avoiding the PSPS
01:49:24.510 --> 01:49:26.340
because we've hardened the system enough
01:49:26.340 --> 01:49:27.900
but we raised the risk.
01:49:27.900 --> 01:49:28.733
That we need to pay.
01:49:28.733 --> 01:49:33.000
We need to pay attention to the risk assessment portion
01:49:33.000 --> 01:49:37.120
of these WMP and that's why we need that transparency
01:49:37.120 --> 01:49:39.479
in their model in order to evaluate
01:49:39.479 --> 01:49:42.230
whether or not they're sufficient
01:49:42.230 --> 01:49:47.230
for us to be able to see an IOU operating
01:49:47.520 --> 01:49:50.623
at a much higher wind speed and avoiding PSPS event.
01:49:51.740 --> 01:49:55.380
The other thing I wanted to point out is that, you know
01:49:55.380 --> 01:49:57.700
the most tragic fire was the result
01:49:57.700 --> 01:50:02.700
of equipment failure on assets that predated GO 95.
01:50:03.220 --> 01:50:08.200
Most of our inspections are in relationship to GO 95
01:50:08.200 --> 01:50:10.700
and this is equipment that's commonly referred
01:50:10.700 --> 01:50:11.833
to as being exempt.
01:50:12.760 --> 01:50:17.270
I think the WSD should be looking to collect information
01:50:17.270 --> 01:50:21.130
on where these assets are and specifically
01:50:21.130 --> 01:50:25.103
been dating that more risk analysis to be done
01:50:25.103 --> 01:50:28.010
because each individual they're each distinct
01:50:28.010 --> 01:50:32.500
and they have potential for the black Swan events
01:50:33.580 --> 01:50:37.650
because they weren't anticipated that they would not.
01:50:37.650 --> 01:50:39.735
When they've only been inspected to GO 95
01:50:39.735 --> 01:50:41.290
and the original construction
01:50:41.290 --> 01:50:43.190
may not meet the GO 9% standard.
01:50:43.190 --> 01:50:45.730
So for that reason, I recommend that the WSD
01:50:45.730 --> 01:50:48.520
collect this information and require it from IOUs.
01:50:52.690 --> 01:50:57.593
Thank you very much, such an important area.
01:50:59.120 --> 01:51:01.470
Are there any questions from the board members
01:51:01.470 --> 01:51:03.593
to this Bagley-Keene group?
01:51:04.830 --> 01:51:06.030
Mr. Armstrong...
01:51:06.030 --> 01:51:09.370
I always say Mr. but it is board member Armstrong.
01:51:09.370 --> 01:51:10.883
Apologies for that.
01:51:11.935 --> 01:51:14.910
I just want to add one more thing to this too.
01:51:14.910 --> 01:51:19.910
As we move into the, or we are doing great hardening
01:51:19.970 --> 01:51:23.210
and even some new technologies, I just encourage
01:51:23.210 --> 01:51:27.220
that the utilities look at all aspects of that
01:51:27.220 --> 01:51:28.340
from a safety of the workers.
01:51:28.340 --> 01:51:33.003
Like you can just give the example of the doctor I know.
01:51:33.003 --> 01:51:36.400
It's very popular for everybody
01:51:36.400 --> 01:51:39.300
and it's you know, probably a lot easier to work on if you
01:51:40.594 --> 01:51:41.427
if you (indistinct).
01:51:41.427 --> 01:51:44.630
But the majority of the work where
01:51:44.630 --> 01:51:46.440
this covered conductor is going
01:51:46.440 --> 01:51:48.657
is sometimes inaccessible areas
01:51:48.657 --> 01:51:52.967
and it makes for some difficult task
01:51:55.340 --> 01:51:57.880
to meet the OSHA requirements for grounding
01:51:59.240 --> 01:52:01.900
where you can't you know, the line (indistinct) or guys
01:52:01.900 --> 01:52:04.310
you have to have ground before you can work on it
01:52:04.310 --> 01:52:06.207
which there's tools to do that for,
01:52:06.207 --> 01:52:09.780
but to restore the line to its original condition
01:52:09.780 --> 01:52:13.240
once you remove the installation becomes very problematic.
01:52:13.240 --> 01:52:15.470
And I'm not sure if there's a real good solution
01:52:15.470 --> 01:52:19.590
for that right now, other than, you know
01:52:19.590 --> 01:52:23.510
basically hang a board out there and try to repair it
01:52:23.510 --> 01:52:26.200
or, you know, just encouraging all
01:52:26.200 --> 01:52:30.324
of us to, as we explore new technologies,
01:52:30.324 --> 01:52:32.543
that they're look at all aspects of it.
01:52:35.270 --> 01:52:36.103
Thank you.
01:52:36.103 --> 01:52:36.936
Thank you.
01:52:36.936 --> 01:52:41.663
Any questions from other board members?
01:52:45.290 --> 01:52:46.470
All right.
01:52:46.470 --> 01:52:49.720
Let's move then on to Section Five,
01:52:49.720 --> 01:52:51.853
the public safety power shutoff.
01:52:52.880 --> 01:52:55.163
Which board members worked on this section?
01:52:58.850 --> 01:53:01.933
Mr. Mader and board member Armstrong.
01:53:03.220 --> 01:53:05.683
Why don't we start with board member Armstrong?
01:53:08.820 --> 01:53:10.937
Thanks for your involvement.
01:53:10.937 --> 01:53:14.580
The main thing with me is on this particular one is,
01:53:14.580 --> 01:53:19.561
as we start using enhanced vegetation management
01:53:19.561 --> 01:53:22.330
and system hardening,
01:53:22.330 --> 01:53:25.220
and we're still experiencing PSPS events
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in some of those areas,
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each utility does a post PSPS event log
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but it doesn't really break down
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and whether or not system
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has any enhanced vegetation management onto to it.
01:53:38.080 --> 01:53:42.461
If it had any cover conductor installed
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or whether nothing was done with it.
01:53:45.420 --> 01:53:47.890
I mean, the assumption is that nothing was done
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to those areas.
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It would be the recommendation
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is to do a basically a deep dive into the areas where
01:53:56.970 --> 01:54:01.040
the PSPS events were calculating wind speed,
01:54:01.040 --> 01:54:02.560
Seeing what type of damage was done
01:54:02.560 --> 01:54:04.520
to the facility that, you know,
01:54:04.520 --> 01:54:06.777
whether it was just an aspect case management
01:54:08.297 --> 01:54:09.130
for recovered conductor just to measure
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the effectiveness of the mitigation.
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So that was the recommendation.
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Thank you.
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Board member, Mader
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Thank you.
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So in absence of other mitigation, you know
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the blunt mitigation for preventing catastrophic wildfires
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has been public safety, power shut down.
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You know, that itself is an undesirable state.
01:54:41.920 --> 01:54:45.200
Nobody wants to see the power shut down
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to the people of California.
01:54:47.323 --> 01:54:52.323
And it is good to see in these WMP that the consequences
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of the public PSPS events are starting to be factored
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into the risk calculations.
01:55:01.632 --> 01:55:05.580
But we're really not going to be able to reduce
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those PSPS events and I've kind of said it
01:55:08.500 --> 01:55:10.690
in every single one of my presentations
01:55:10.690 --> 01:55:13.900
through these parts of the recommendation
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is until we're able to assess the risks
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of different types of construction
01:55:18.590 --> 01:55:20.580
and different types of tophotography
01:55:20.580 --> 01:55:24.993
and how to re change those States and the consequences,
01:55:26.986 --> 01:55:28.650
then we'll be able to start looking
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at reducing PSPS events from the results of mitigation.
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I wanna call out Southern California Edison
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they did actually state that they're starting to study this,
01:55:42.900 --> 01:55:46.830
they're starting to build those risk profiles
01:55:46.830 --> 01:55:50.220
and I really do believe that that's the way forward.
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And I think you're gonna be hearing
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from the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board
01:55:53.480 --> 01:55:56.840
on our recommendations for 2022 WMP guidelines
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on how to make those improvements going forward.
01:56:05.780 --> 01:56:09.090
Yeah that's our next task.
01:56:09.090 --> 01:56:11.630
Well, first we're going to do the small
01:56:11.630 --> 01:56:14.010
jurisdictional investor owned utilities.
01:56:14.010 --> 01:56:15.693
Then we'll be looking at 2022.
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Any questions from other board members
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to this Bagley-Keene group?
01:56:22.750 --> 01:56:27.350
I think I have a question that is part PSPS part
01:56:27.350 --> 01:56:29.793
in the last section on the system hardening.
01:56:33.160 --> 01:56:37.130
Okay. So John, you had spoken back during
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the grid hardening about the GO 95 exemptions.
01:56:42.770 --> 01:56:44.700
Can you explain a little bit more
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about how that's possible and how we can address that?
01:56:51.422 --> 01:56:54.270
And cause it seems that that would have a strong influence
01:56:54.270 --> 01:56:57.830
on activating PSPSes if the equipment
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is not up to GO 95 standards, right?
01:57:05.440 --> 01:57:09.210
If something isn't up to GO 95 standards currently,
01:57:09.210 --> 01:57:10.910
it still gets inspected every year
01:57:11.880 --> 01:57:13.810
but the inspectors are trained to look
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at equipment from a GO 95 perspective
01:57:16.440 --> 01:57:18.684
and if it was previous to GO 95,
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it may be exempted from having to meet those standards.
01:57:22.880 --> 01:57:25.890
And what I'm calling out is that that risk
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should be evaluated on a case by case basis by the IOU
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or that the WSD should be driving that kind of behavior.
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So that yes, in the case that it may be
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especially prone to be subject to PSPS events
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because unless the risk is completely understood.
01:57:49.480 --> 01:57:54.043
And the exemption a matter of cost?
01:57:55.010 --> 01:57:58.080
You know, when I think about, say for instance,
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regulations on homes, they're exempt
01:58:01.950 --> 01:58:06.180
because they're older, you know, just in general.
01:58:06.180 --> 01:58:09.510
And so is that why they're exempt?
01:58:09.510 --> 01:58:11.360
Just because it's older construction?
01:58:13.280 --> 01:58:14.983
Generally that is the case yes..
01:58:14.983 --> 01:58:17.150
Okay. That's helpful.
01:58:17.150 --> 01:58:17.983
Thanks.
01:58:21.570 --> 01:58:22.823
Any other questions?
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All right.
01:58:31.710 --> 01:58:33.180
Let's move to Section Six.
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Emergency planning and communication.
01:58:35.963 --> 01:58:38.173
I worked on this section.
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Were there others who worked on this section?
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All right.
01:58:43.703 --> 01:58:45.540
Why don't we start with you board member Porter.
01:58:49.315 --> 01:58:51.055
Okay. And I really don't wanna step on you.
01:58:51.055 --> 01:58:55.220
I did enjoy the description of how each one
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of the IOU's, a bit larger IOUs have engaged more fully.
01:59:03.330 --> 01:59:06.550
Again, there are some that are still reactionary
01:59:06.550 --> 01:59:10.221
instead of proactive in their engagement.
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And it's usually after a PSPS event
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and instead of going forward and asking really
01:59:20.890 --> 01:59:23.040
where should we be going
01:59:23.040 --> 01:59:27.740
and then creating proposals or programs or mitigation
01:59:27.740 --> 01:59:31.590
that way it's usually afterwards.
01:59:31.590 --> 01:59:34.730
And usually there are plans already
01:59:34.730 --> 01:59:36.840
in the works and it's one of those,
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okay we're gonna put you on the list.
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What we do next?
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I found that the two bookend San Diego Gas and Electric
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and PG and E their battery backup outreach program
01:59:55.200 --> 01:59:59.900
is stellar and I believe that Southern California Edison
01:59:59.900 --> 02:00:02.487
is in process of developing
02:00:02.487 --> 02:00:07.450
a more robust backup power program
02:00:07.450 --> 02:00:11.201
or at least reaching more individuals who could utilize it
02:00:11.201 --> 02:00:14.987
and maybe it's changing their marketing strategy.
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It would be nice in my estimation to truly understand
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what is the lens they're using in their approach
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to offer those you know, mitigating tools to the public.
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That was it.
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Thank you.
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Yes, we did.
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In our Begley-Keene group, we did discuss
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and we want to acknowledge that from the 2019 effort
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to the 20 well, last year was looking back to 2020.
02:01:02.150 --> 02:01:07.150
So we really saw mass massive improvement and thoughtfulness
02:01:10.210 --> 02:01:14.120
in selecting which measures would be used
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and for example, Edison determined that they needed to drill
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into a regional and local level rather than try to do
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through a service territory wide blast
02:01:24.340 --> 02:01:26.900
because that was more effective.
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And to add one thought to what board member Porter described
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we would like to see the process,
02:01:39.097 --> 02:01:44.050
the utility used in choosing what measures to employ
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because it is there is quantification of how many kits
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they made with social media or over, you know
02:01:56.120 --> 02:01:59.680
creating text communities,
02:01:59.680 --> 02:02:04.000
working with the state, local federal governments
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the tribal government reaching out to the AFM.
02:02:06.900 --> 02:02:10.930
We have those, all those contexts quantified
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and we wanna make sure that the programs
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that the utilities have chosen to employ
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are the most efficacious and cost-effective programs.
02:02:23.150 --> 02:02:25.890
So we'd like, we know, we assume
02:02:25.890 --> 02:02:29.300
that decisions are being made by the utilities
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to choose approach A rather than approach B.
02:02:33.830 --> 02:02:38.830
And we see this as not necessarily a case of well more
02:02:39.130 --> 02:02:44.130
is more that we want to have a lens into what metrics
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were used in making the decisions
02:02:46.940 --> 02:02:50.770
on how the communities were engaged.
02:02:52.250 --> 02:02:56.690
And also, you know how the emergency preparedness efforts
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such as backup power that board member Porter raised
02:02:59.870 --> 02:03:02.050
are being deployed.
02:03:02.050 --> 02:03:05.410
So that's the end of Section Six.
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Any questions for us on section six?
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And I think just to wrap it up
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that this goes to our general theme of transparency
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and sort of looking behind the veil of what we assume.
02:03:27.480 --> 02:03:30.800
And I think I can go so far to say as I know
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that the utilities are being very diligent and thoughtful
02:03:34.480 --> 02:03:39.000
in making the decisions but the WMPs are structured
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so we only see the results of those decisions
02:03:42.970 --> 02:03:44.573
rather than that process.
02:03:46.120 --> 02:03:47.593
So thank you for that.
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That was a really, and again,
02:03:53.780 --> 02:03:56.930
if I may take a chair prerogative
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I just wanna say, you know, we, again, for the public
02:04:00.390 --> 02:04:04.830
we never meet in private to discuss these, you know
02:04:04.830 --> 02:04:09.610
we drop into different conversations throughout the process
02:04:09.610 --> 02:04:13.970
and I am just literally blown away by the expertise
02:04:13.970 --> 02:04:14.842
and how...
02:04:14.842 --> 02:04:19.360
If the Governor's office
02:04:19.360 --> 02:04:21.830
and the legislature is watching.
02:04:21.830 --> 02:04:24.250
Thank you very much to the appointing authorities
02:04:24.250 --> 02:04:26.660
for bringing us this group of people
02:04:26.660 --> 02:04:30.980
because it's not only are they experts
02:04:33.820 --> 02:04:37.970
and they're also pragmatic and a very good group of people
02:04:37.970 --> 02:04:39.230
to work with.
02:04:39.230 --> 02:04:42.600
So again, I wanna express my appreciation
02:04:42.600 --> 02:04:44.203
to each and every one of you.
02:04:47.330 --> 02:04:48.163
All right.
02:04:48.163 --> 02:04:51.470
Are there any final words on the draft recommendations?
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I think that what we should do, board member Mader,
02:04:55.520 --> 02:04:59.730
is repeat for those who may have forgotten
02:05:00.908 --> 02:05:05.170
the changes you wanna make before we move to a vote.
02:05:05.170 --> 02:05:08.550
So could you please repeat the change that you wanna make
02:05:08.550 --> 02:05:09.830
in a recommendation?
02:05:09.830 --> 02:05:10.993
I believe it's five.
02:05:12.970 --> 02:05:16.740
Yes. In recommendation five or Section Five
02:05:16.740 --> 02:05:20.270
recommendation two, the first sentence
02:05:20.270 --> 02:05:23.670
which is to go after the last word wildfires
02:05:23.670 --> 02:05:28.670
add the comma space and reduce in reducing PSPS a bit
02:05:33.500 --> 02:05:34.333
Period.
02:05:37.760 --> 02:05:38.593
All right.
02:05:38.593 --> 02:05:41.270
And we had no questions on that language.
02:05:41.270 --> 02:05:44.480
So I'm going to turn this
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over to advisors to proceed with the vote.
02:05:50.670 --> 02:05:52.260
I think first we need...
02:05:52.260 --> 02:05:55.070
I'll entertain a motion from a board member
02:05:55.070 --> 02:05:56.980
to adopt the recommendations
02:05:56.980 --> 02:06:00.510
as amended by board member, Mader.
02:06:02.800 --> 02:06:05.903
I'll make the recommendation to adopt.
02:06:08.370 --> 02:06:12.427
Adopt the change and the recommendations.
02:06:16.340 --> 02:06:19.610
Is there a second board member, Porter?
02:06:19.610 --> 02:06:22.060
All right, I'll turn it over.
02:06:22.060 --> 02:06:23.473
For roll call vote.
02:06:25.200 --> 02:06:26.250
Vice Chair Fellman?
02:06:27.920 --> 02:06:28.753
Aye.
02:06:29.900 --> 02:06:31.143
Board member, Porter?
02:06:32.074 --> 02:06:32.907
Aye.
02:06:33.750 --> 02:06:34.850
Board member Syphad?
02:06:35.973 --> 02:06:36.806
Aye.
02:06:37.690 --> 02:06:39.188
Board member, Mader?
02:06:39.188 --> 02:06:40.021
Aye.
02:06:41.040 --> 02:06:42.340
Board member, Armstrong?
02:06:43.374 --> 02:06:44.740
Aye.
02:06:44.740 --> 02:06:46.040
And board member, Block?
02:06:47.188 --> 02:06:48.021
Aye.
02:06:50.170 --> 02:06:54.980
The motion passes with a unanimous consent.
02:06:57.680 --> 02:06:59.730
And Leah thank you very much.
02:06:59.730 --> 02:07:01.210
And let's see.
02:07:01.210 --> 02:07:02.650
Let the minutes reflect
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that Chair Edwards was necessarily absent today
02:07:08.270 --> 02:07:11.633
and did not vote on these recommendations.
02:07:16.398 --> 02:07:20.390
So we're ready to conclude our meeting.
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Thank you everyone for participating
02:07:22.440 --> 02:07:24.080
in this virtual meeting.
02:07:24.080 --> 02:07:26.720
Our intention is that we are going to continue
02:07:26.720 --> 02:07:30.350
with virtual meetings for the rest of 2021.
02:07:30.350 --> 02:07:32.710
I believe our next meeting,
02:07:32.710 --> 02:07:34.050
and I'll look for a nod from Steph.
02:07:34.050 --> 02:07:37.190
Our next public meeting is going to be,
02:07:37.190 --> 02:07:38.623
is it May 12th?
02:07:40.210 --> 02:07:41.390
May 12th.
02:07:41.390 --> 02:07:44.740
So we will then be looking at our recommendations
02:07:44.740 --> 02:07:49.370
on the small unit, a small whatever they are
02:07:50.370 --> 02:07:53.690
the small investor owned utilities by SMJU.
02:07:53.690 --> 02:07:58.690
So we hope that you can join us again
02:08:00.050 --> 02:08:01.910
at that point in time.
02:08:01.910 --> 02:08:04.750
I wanna give thanks to Robert Stafford
02:08:04.750 --> 02:08:08.700
and Joe Hagia of our IT and our team of IT professionals
02:08:08.700 --> 02:08:10.480
because it seems that every time we do
02:08:10.480 --> 02:08:11.760
have a virtual meeting
02:08:11.760 --> 02:08:15.920
there's some new twist and turn that we have a tech test
02:08:15.920 --> 02:08:19.990
and we're, you know, just trying to figure it out.
02:08:19.990 --> 02:08:24.070
I wanna thank our legal who's signing off now.
02:08:24.070 --> 02:08:29.070
Our legal support, which we have Jason Rieger
02:08:29.950 --> 02:08:34.863
and Galen who have been helping us, making sure
02:08:35.753 --> 02:08:40.173
that we follow all the appropriate legal requirements.
02:08:41.690 --> 02:08:45.790
I need to ask if there's any final thoughts from the board
02:08:45.790 --> 02:08:47.483
anyone would like to share?
02:08:52.290 --> 02:08:53.776
Hearing none.
02:08:53.776 --> 02:08:56.130
Staff are there any announcements
02:08:56.130 --> 02:08:57.530
that you would like to make?
02:09:00.260 --> 02:09:04.603
I could make the announcement about masks and vaccines.
02:09:10.299 --> 02:09:11.590
Per you know, directions from the Governor
02:09:11.590 --> 02:09:16.590
and the Department of Health, please stay safe.
02:09:16.750 --> 02:09:19.390
Your efforts will help all Californians.
02:09:19.390 --> 02:09:20.530
Please wear masks.
02:09:20.530 --> 02:09:24.270
Even if you've already been vaccinated, avoid gatherings
02:09:24.270 --> 02:09:26.780
with people living outside of your household,
02:09:26.780 --> 02:09:30.600
maintain six feet of distance between yourself and others.
02:09:30.600 --> 02:09:33.373
Follow the public health guidance regarding closures.
02:09:34.360 --> 02:09:35.790
Please get vaccinated.
02:09:35.790 --> 02:09:39.250
Everyone 16 and over will be eligible
02:09:39.250 --> 02:09:42.750
for a vaccine starting April 15th tomorrow.
02:09:42.750 --> 02:09:47.750
Please visit www.myturn.ca.gov for more information.
02:09:48.670 --> 02:09:49.503
Thank you.
02:09:51.260 --> 02:09:52.093
Thank you.
02:09:53.350 --> 02:09:57.610
My close will be again, a great appreciation
02:09:57.610 --> 02:10:00.840
to our advisers for keeping us on track
02:10:00.840 --> 02:10:04.570
and doing all they do.
02:10:04.570 --> 02:10:09.440
So you should take a well deserved virtual applause
02:10:09.440 --> 02:10:11.170
and you know, both of you should have
02:10:11.170 --> 02:10:13.680
a well-deserved evening off.
02:10:13.680 --> 02:10:18.070
However you choose to celebrate the success of this meeting.
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All right?
02:10:18.903 --> 02:10:21.343
Any other final comments from the board?
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Mr. Mader.
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Board member, Mader.
02:10:26.480 --> 02:10:28.380
I just wanted to take a moment to acknowledge
02:10:28.380 --> 02:10:30.950
the concerns raised by the public speakers.
02:10:30.950 --> 02:10:33.633
We take your comments very seriously.
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We're doing our best to try to advise
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the Wildfire Safety Division
02:10:41.580 --> 02:10:45.940
to drive the IOU, to provide the benefits
02:10:45.940 --> 02:10:46.990
that you're looking for.
02:10:46.990 --> 02:10:48.500
So I just wanted to take a moment
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to acknowledge our public speakers.
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Thank you.
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Any other comments?
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I saw a lot of affirming nods from the rest
02:11:00.470 --> 02:11:03.533
of your colleague, board member, including myself.
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If we could put up the adjournment slide
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which has the contact information.
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So those of you who did not complete,
02:11:15.996 --> 02:11:18.440
do not feel completing your public comments
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or anyone else who would like to file comments.
02:11:21.100 --> 02:11:23.960
I do wanna recognize our public commenters
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from the all the IOUs and the others that we received.
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We read them and processed them.
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And you can see in the red lines
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the changes that were made.
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If you have any questions
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since we do not have any ex parte limitations,
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please feel free to reach out through our advisers.
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And we would be happy to meet with you.
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May I have a motion for adjournment
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and from somebody other than that side of the screen.
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So one of the women, one of the women.
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Jessica.
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A motion to adjourn the meeting.
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And I second.
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All right.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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We have diversity on our board.
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We have a second.
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I think we have to take a roll call Ms Catherine
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and every vote.
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So could you please take the roll?
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Sure.
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Board member, Porter.
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Yeah.
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Board member, Syphard.
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Yes.
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Board member Mader.
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Aye.
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Board member, Armstrong.
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Aye.
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Board member, Block.
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Aye.
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And vice chair Fellman.
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Aye
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So that concludes the April 14th meeting
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of the California Wildfire Safety Advisory Board.
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Thank you very much and stay safe and healthy.