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(calm music)
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Welcome to the
Wildfire Safety Advisory Board.
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This is the board meeting
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on this day, Wednesday, May 12th, 2021.
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Miss Edwards, you may begin.
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Thank you very much.
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I'd like to introduce
our advisor, Katherine.
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Thank you.
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Welcome to the virtual public meeting
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of the Wildfire Safety Advisory Board.
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It's May 12th, 2021.
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We are going to spend
the next few minutes going
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over the technology to
be used during this meeting
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so that we can all start
today's meeting understanding
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the technology.
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A summary of the interaction
methods can be found
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on today's agenda,
which can also be found
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on the Wildfire Safety
Advisory Board's website
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cpuc.ca.gov/wsab.
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This meeting is also
being live broadcast
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at the normal CPUC
live broadcast location
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adminmonitor.com/ca/cpuc.
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To interact with the
board during this meeting,
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we have a phone number
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and an operator on
standby to cue the line.
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The call-in number is
listed on the meeting agenda
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which can be found
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on the Wildfire Safety
Advisory Board website
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and the main CPUC website.
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The phone number is 1-800-857-1917.
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And the passcode is one
seven six seven five seven six.
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I'm sorry about that.
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It's one seven six seven five six seven.
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When you join the call, you
will be in listen only mode.
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If you'd like to participate
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during the public comment
period, please press star one
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on the phone and you'll be
added to the public comment queue
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and called upon during the meeting
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by the chair with the
assistance of the operator.
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The public comments portion
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of the meeting is at the
beginning of the meeting.
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Public comment will also be received
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in the Wildfire Safety
Advisory Board email inbox.
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The email address is
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wildfiresafetyadvisoryboard@cpuc.ca.gov.
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Comments received here will be read
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into the record if they can be
read in under three minutes.
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All comments received will be posted
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on the Wildfire Safety
Advisory Board website
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after the meeting.
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In addition the CPUC
Public Advisor is on standby
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if you're having additional
technical problems.
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Please do not hesitate to reach out
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to the public advisor
either by email or phone.
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And that email address is
public.advisers@cpuc.ca.gov.
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The phone number is 866-849-8390.
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Back to you Chair Edwards.
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Thank you, Katherine.
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And for those of you
who are just signing
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in it is in fact May 12th.
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It's the third meeting
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of the Wildfire Safety
Advisory Board of 2021.
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My name is Marcie Edwards.
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I'm the current chair,
and I'd like to thank all
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of the board members
for attending today.
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Vice Chair Fellman is traveling
and could not be with us.
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I'd like to turn the meeting
over to Aliyah Harrow
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and she will lead us in
the pledge of allegiance.
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Thank you, Chair Edwards.
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I pledge allegiance to the flag
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of the United States of America and
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to the Republic for
which it stands one nation
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under God with liberty
and justice for all.
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And now I turn the meeting
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over to Katherine Stockton
for our safety moment.
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Thank you, Leah.
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Okay, Katherine.
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I was on mute.
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Sorry about that.
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No problem.
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As the COVID-19
pandemic continues, most
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of us face more stress than ever before.
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It seems like, you
know, we may be coming
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out of this in the near future,
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but we still need to be cautious.
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Recognizing these challenges,
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please take a couple
of minutes to breathe
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and let go of any stress that
you may feel in this moment.
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Thank you.
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Leah?
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Thank you, Katherine.
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We are doing our best to
make this virtual meeting
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as accessible as possible.
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And all the information about
this meeting can be found
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on the wildfire safety
advisory boards website
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at cpuc.ca.gov/wsab.
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Links to all the documents
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that we will be discussing
today can be found there.
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And these documents include the minutes
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from the April 14th
meeting, today's agenda
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and today's PowerPoint
presentation that is running
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during the meeting.
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We'll now turn the meeting
back over to Chair Edwards.
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Chair Edwards, I
believe you're muted.
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Chair Edwards, you're muted.
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Chair Edwards, I
think you're muted.
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Wow, okay.
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Now that I am un-muted
today's meeting agenda.
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We're gonna begin with public comment.
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After public comment, we'll
discuss and vote on the minutes
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from the April 14th meeting.
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Following that we'll have a presentation
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from the Wildfire Safety
Division on their activities.
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After these presentation
we'll take a quick stretch break.
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After the stretch break, the
board will present its draft
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recommendations on the 2021
wildfire mitigation plan updates
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for small and multi
jurisdictional utilities.
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We'll have an opportunity
for some discussion.
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Following that we'll have a
vote on the recommendation.
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And then we will move to adjournment.
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We're going to open up telephone lines,
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move into our first
opportunity for public comment.
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If you'd like to participate,
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as we've said, the
phone is 1-800-857-1917.
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The pass code one seven
six seven five six seven.
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Please press star one on
your phone to get in the queue.
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Operator is the line open?
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The public
comment line is now open.
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Thank you operator.
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Quickly, let's check our
Wildfire Safety Advisory Board
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email box.
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Katherine, do you have
any email communication?
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We do not have any
email communication now
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but the public is welcome to send emails
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and they'll be published on the website
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and distributed to the board.
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Excellent, thank you very much.
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Operators, do we have any
public comment on the phone line?
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I'm showing no
callers on the phone line
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at this time in the queue.
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Okay, I'm gonna
to wait just a moment
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because public comment is
the backbone of any public group
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or organization and it's very critical
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for us when we give an opportunity
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for anyone that would
like to participate.
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So I'm gonna give it another few seconds
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and then I'll check
again with the operator.
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Operator, do we have
anybody else on the line?
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I'm showing no callers
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in the queue at this time.
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All right, thank you and
this closest public comment.
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We're going to move to the next topic.
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The April 14th board meeting minutes
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The minutes can be found
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on the Wildfire Safety
Advisory Board website.
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I know everyone's had an opportunity
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to read the minutes
prior to the meeting.
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Are there any edits or
additions to the meeting minutes?
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Hearing none, I entertain a vote
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to adopt the meeting minutes.
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So moved.
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Thank you, Chris Porter.
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Do we have a second?
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Thank you, John Mader.
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I'm advised by legal
that they want a roll call
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vote on a motion to adopt the minutes.
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Chair Edwards, yes.
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Vice Chair Fellman is absent.
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Board member Porter?
Aye.
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Board members Syphard?
Aye.
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Board member Mader?
Aye.
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Board member Armstrong?
Aye.
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Board member Block.
Aye.
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Thank you.
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Okay, moving to a presentation
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from the Wildfire Safety Division
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and we welcome the
acting program manager
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for that division, Lucy Morgan.
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Lucy will provide us an update
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on the WSDs evaluation of the WMP,
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safety culture assessment,
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safety certification guidelines,
and the WSDs transmission
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to the office of energy
infrastructure safety
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energy safety, that's within
the natural resources division.
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And Lucy, thank you so
much for joining us today.
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Not at all, can
you hear me okay?
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I can, yes.
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Brilliant.
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Okay with that I'll kick off then.
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So, yes, as you mentioned,
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I want to provide updates on four items.
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The wildfire mitigation plans
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and the progress that the
WSD is making on those.
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And an update on the
safety culture assessments
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and updates on the safety
certification guidelines
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and then updates on
our transition to energy.
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So firstly taking the
wildfire mitigation plans.
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You just move on to the next slide.
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Thank you.
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So, the key update when it comes
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to the wildfire mitigation
plans is on the revision notices.
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So I'm not sure if you're aware,
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Wildfire Safety Advisory Board,
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we, the WSD, published three
revision notices on May 4th.
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Those revision notices
were respective PG&E, SCE
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and Bear Valley WMP 2021 updates.
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These revision notices
identify critical issues
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that the utility must
address in 30 days.
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So these utilities must issue
a revision notice response
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by the 3rd of June.
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And stakeholders have
seven days to comment
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on these revision notice responses.
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And following that that
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there's a six day submit reply comments.
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So in terms of the
revision notices themselves
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the WSD identified six ethical
issues associated with PG&E.
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WMP updates and the scope
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of issues included de-energization
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of PSPS quantitative targets.
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The station of the significant changes
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of high priority circuit segments.
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Aggregation of risks spend deficiencies,
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the system hardening initiatives.
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We've sought clarification
of the processes
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of quality assurance and
quality control in terms
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of their distribution and
transmission asset inspections
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and we've identified a number
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of issues with (indistinct)
and record keeping.
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For Edison we identified four
critical issues and the scope
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of those included the reported
risks spend efficiency values
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for mitigation initiative,
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the analysis of alternative
mitigation initiative,
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justification of extensive
use of public conductors.
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And we requested
further detail on the PSPS
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energization corrective action plan.
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I'm still actually on
the previous slide.
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Sorry, if you could just look
back, I'm almost done with it.
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Brilliant, thanks.
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And then the final revision
notice was to Bear Valley
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and the scope of issues were
relating to them not complying
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with the WMP guidelines
to the definition and labeling
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of the initiative and the
aggregation of expenditure data.
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So within each of these revision notices
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the WSP has identified specific remedies
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to address these critical issues.
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And we're very much looking forward
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to the revision notice
responses being submitted
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by the 3rd of June.
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So just moving on to
the next slide, thank you.
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Lucy, before you do move on
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could you very briefly
remind any members
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of the public who might
play this video subsequently
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the criticality to the
investor owned utilities
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of receiving a certification overall?
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Of receiving an
approved WMP you mean?
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Correct.
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Right, yes.
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So is critical that the utilities
receive an approved WMP
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because that all feeds
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into the safety certification process.
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And I'm gonna be talking
about that a bit later
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but that enables an
approved safety certification,
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enables the utility to
access the wildfire fund, so.
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So moving on to the SMJU/ITO updates.
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And I've listed just
on the left-hand side
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the electrical corporations
that are part of that.
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That's Bear Valley, Liberty
PacificCorp, Horizon West
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and TransBay Cable.
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So just a refresher.
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The SMJU/ITO submitted
their WMP on March 3rd.
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We received opening comments in April.
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We've received the Wildfire
Safety Advisory Board comments
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on these WMPs and we very
much appreciate your insight
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and wanted to thank
you for taking the time
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and the consideration that
went into developing these.
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So thank you for that.
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I want to also set out some next steps.
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So we're gonna be confirming
whether the remaining SMJU/ITOs
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have revision notices by May 24th.
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So the revision notice for Bear
Valley has already gone out
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and it'll be confirming
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whether the remaining
SMJU/ITOs have revision notices.
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And then following that
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we expect to publish
draft determinations
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on the WMP updates in June
for any WMPs that don't have a
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revision notice attached to them
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and August for those that do.
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Moving on to the next slide.
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Thank you.
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So I also wanted to provide an update
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on the annual safety
culture assessments.
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I included a brief update
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on this within the last
WSAB meeting in April.
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So I just want this slide to refresher
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on this particular piece of work.
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So back in April, we
conducted the kickoff meetings
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with the electrical corporation
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and then this month we've
been focusing on launching
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and administering the workforce surveys
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to establish the
safety culture baseline.
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And we've also been
refining the interview protocols
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and template.
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Next month, we'll be analyzing the data
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from the workforce surveys
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and conducting targeted
employee interviews.
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And then in July
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we'll be finalizing the
safety culture assessments.
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And then, moving on to the
safety certification guidance.
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So this is what I was
referring to earlier.
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So yesterday we published
the proposed guidance
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from WSD on the safety
certification process for 2021.
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We're seating opening comments
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on the safety certification letter
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by June 1st and reply
comments on June 15.
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So we very much welcome
any recommendations that come
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from the WSAB on these proposals.
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We're more than happy to set
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up a meeting if you'd like
to discuss them further.
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The purpose of this letter was
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to seek public comment
on two key aspects.
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Firstly, on the timeline change.
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So the WSD is proposing that
we synchronize the June dates
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for safety certification requests so
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that the electrical corporations
would submit their request
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for safety certification at
exactly the same time each year.
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We're proposing that that's in September
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with a decision date for
WSD being in December.
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Then you would have, you know,
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if the safety certification
requests were approved
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you'd have them aligning pretty
much with the calendar year.
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And then the second item we are seeking
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public comment on is the guidance.
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So there's a number
of criteria established
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in public utilities code 8389.
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And one of those includes
having an approved WMP
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which then leads to achieving
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or be compared to
the safety certification.
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And so what we're
doing is seeking guidance
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through this public process
for the WSD to use when
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evaluating an electrical
corporation safety
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certification submission
against these criteria established
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in public utilities code 8389.
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So just moving on
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to the final item I
wanted to talk about today
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which was an update on the
WSD transition to energy safety.
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So just moving.
Next slide please.
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Why thank you.
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Yeah, and just one more.
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Thanks very much.
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So the WSD is still
on track to transition
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to energy safety by July 1st, 2021.
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We've been working hard
finalizing the rules of practice
00:19:24.570 --> 00:19:29.260
and procedure for the office
of administrative law review.
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We've been migrating data and equipment,
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preparing them to
move, the physical move,
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to the new natural
facilities agency building
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in Sacramento at the end of July
00:19:39.130 --> 00:19:42.210
and developing and
implementing staff training.
00:19:42.210 --> 00:19:47.210
In terms of communication,
we've been providing information
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to key stakeholders
throughout May and June,
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Well throughout May and we
will be doing so throughout June.
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And we'll be continuing
to regularly communicate
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with the Wildfire Safety
Advisory Board in the run
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up to July 1st to support
all transition activities.
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That's the end of my update.
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So thank you very much.
00:20:07.530 --> 00:20:08.453
Any questions?
00:20:12.670 --> 00:20:15.570
Do we have any comments or
questions from board members?
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Thank you, Lucy.
Can you offer
00:20:21.164 --> 00:20:23.015
any specificity?
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Excuse me, I'm sorry Chair Edwards.
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Certainly John, go ahead.
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I was wondering if you had
any specificity regarding the
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critical remedies that you
were seeking remedies
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for critical issues that
you were seeking?
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I think six for PG&E, four
for Southern California Edison
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and then two for BVES.
00:20:47.610 --> 00:20:50.950
Yeah, so within, I'm not
sure if you've seen the revision
00:20:50.950 --> 00:20:54.270
notices that were published
last week, but for each
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of the critical issues identified,
there's a corresponding
00:20:58.100 --> 00:21:00.510
remedy identified by the WSD.
00:21:00.510 --> 00:21:03.340
So we've been very specific
about what we're looking for
00:21:03.340 --> 00:21:08.340
and how the utility can
resolve those critical issues.
00:21:11.466 --> 00:21:13.016
Does that answer your question?
00:21:21.460 --> 00:21:23.508
Sorry, I muted myself to
make sure I didn't make noise.
00:21:23.508 --> 00:21:25.770
Yeah, I mean, I can look those up.
00:21:25.770 --> 00:21:28.763
I just wondered if
you had any right now.
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I do have.
00:21:31.045 --> 00:21:31.878
It would take me quite long time
00:21:31.878 --> 00:21:33.790
to run you through them
though 'cause there's quite a few.
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I'm happy to do it.
00:21:38.780 --> 00:21:39.770
Well, no, I think
that's all right.
00:21:39.770 --> 00:21:41.028
I'll review them later.
00:21:41.028 --> 00:21:41.861
Thank you.
00:21:44.220 --> 00:21:45.053
Thank you, Lucy.
00:21:45.053 --> 00:21:46.010
Thank you, Mr. Mader.
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Do we have any other
comments from board members?
00:21:52.810 --> 00:21:54.050
Thank you, Lucy, very much.
00:21:54.050 --> 00:21:56.300
We appreciate you
taking the time to be here.
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My pleasure.
00:22:02.220 --> 00:22:03.053
All right.
00:22:03.053 --> 00:22:04.520
We've been in session 20 minutes.
00:22:04.520 --> 00:22:05.840
My personal opinion is
00:22:05.840 --> 00:22:09.780
that we don't need a
stretch break this quickly.
00:22:09.780 --> 00:22:12.860
If any of the board members
disagree, please raise your hand
00:22:12.860 --> 00:22:15.123
and I'll transition
into a stretch break.
00:22:19.030 --> 00:22:23.113
Seeing no hands I'm going
to continue with the agenda.
00:22:24.470 --> 00:22:27.100
We're gonna discuss the
board's draft recommendations
00:22:27.100 --> 00:22:29.730
to the 2021 wildfire
mitigation plan updates
00:22:29.730 --> 00:22:32.663
for small and
multi-jurisdictional utilities.
00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:35.900
Staff will read summaries
of the recommendations
00:22:35.900 --> 00:22:39.510
to be followed by any
necessary board discussion
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and following that a vote.
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And of course the draft
recommendations can be found
00:22:43.370 --> 00:22:48.197
on the board's website
at cpuc.ca.gov/wsab.
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Katherine?
00:22:53.890 --> 00:22:54.800
Thank you.
00:22:54.800 --> 00:22:56.453
Next slide please, great.
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So the first section of
the recommendations is
00:23:01.420 --> 00:23:05.210
about risk assessment
and resource allocation.
00:23:05.210 --> 00:23:10.210
And the board recommends, in terms of,
00:23:10.997 --> 00:23:14.710
for risk modeling
assumptions and methodology,
00:23:14.710 --> 00:23:16.470
the board requests
00:23:16.470 --> 00:23:20.030
further details about
modeling methods, assumptions
00:23:20.030 --> 00:23:24.470
and how the outputs of models
are used in decision-making.
00:23:24.470 --> 00:23:27.473
The board also requests
more detail about how their risk,
00:23:28.390 --> 00:23:33.390
about how the risk scoring
and methodology is completed.
00:23:35.280 --> 00:23:37.490
And I would also preface, I don't know
00:23:37.490 --> 00:23:39.130
if you said something
in the beginning Marcie,
00:23:39.130 --> 00:23:42.380
but I'd also preface this discussion
00:23:42.380 --> 00:23:45.460
with a lot of these
recommendations are very similar
00:23:45.460 --> 00:23:47.920
and mirror the recommendations
00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:50.263
for the investor owned utilities.
00:23:51.890 --> 00:23:55.000
This recommendation
is a little bit, is new.
00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:57.310
And it's a little bit more specific
00:23:57.310 --> 00:23:59.403
regarding standardized risk models.
00:24:00.580 --> 00:24:02.920
The board recommends
creating an open source
00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:05.840
and standardized
risk model that all IOUs
00:24:05.840 --> 00:24:08.720
and SMJUs can utilize.
00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:11.953
The board also requests more
transparent modeling methods.
00:24:13.850 --> 00:24:14.813
Next slide please.
00:24:18.580 --> 00:24:20.760
So in this evaluation,
the board recommends
00:24:20.760 --> 00:24:23.700
that the WSD request more detail
00:24:23.700 --> 00:24:27.283
about how the SMJUs
use machine learning,
00:24:28.210 --> 00:24:30.270
explain how they quantify uncertainties
00:24:30.270 --> 00:24:32.943
and how the machines recognize patterns.
00:24:33.950 --> 00:24:37.303
The board, very similar to
the IOU recommendations,
00:24:39.850 --> 00:24:41.740
the board requests the creation
00:24:41.740 --> 00:24:43.920
of a formalized
scientific review process
00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:45.683
and a common data platform.
00:24:47.730 --> 00:24:50.703
The board also requests the IOUs
00:24:50.703 --> 00:24:53.484
and the SMJUs provide
detailed descriptions
00:24:53.484 --> 00:24:57.320
of the background
experience and qualifications
00:24:57.320 --> 00:25:01.130
of consultants or staff
completing risk modeling
00:25:01.130 --> 00:25:02.823
and risk mapping work.
00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:07.440
As well as require that the SMJUs hire
00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:10.210
or contract with
ecologists or fire scientists.
00:25:10.210 --> 00:25:11.093
Next slide.
00:25:12.870 --> 00:25:14.230
Thank you.
00:25:14.230 --> 00:25:15.200
So the next section
00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:18.873
of the paper is about
vegetation management.
00:25:20.090 --> 00:25:21.520
The first recommendation is
00:25:21.520 --> 00:25:24.773
about using LIDAR for
vegetation clearances.
00:25:26.045 --> 00:25:30.050
The board would like to
clarify that LIDAR inspections
00:25:30.050 --> 00:25:32.990
or the board recommends
that that WSD clarify
00:25:32.990 --> 00:25:37.010
that LIDAR inspections shall
not replace visual inspections
00:25:37.010 --> 00:25:41.120
and annual LIDAR
inspections shall be used
00:25:41.120 --> 00:25:43.543
in addition to visual inspections.
00:25:44.510 --> 00:25:47.890
The board recommends
the WSD require SMJUs
00:25:47.890 --> 00:25:51.310
to follow the POUs
and IOUs best practice
00:25:52.689 --> 00:25:57.689
for the visual inspections and
the schedules of inspections.
00:25:59.540 --> 00:26:04.010
Second, the board has a recommendation
00:26:04.010 --> 00:26:08.060
about tree growth
regulators and herbicides.
00:26:08.060 --> 00:26:11.810
The board requests further
details from the SMJUs
00:26:14.010 --> 00:26:18.293
about the use of tree growth
regulators and herbicides.
00:26:19.520 --> 00:26:23.810
Finally, the board
recommends more information
00:26:23.810 --> 00:26:28.630
about qualifications of workers
performing the mitigation.
00:26:28.630 --> 00:26:31.740
The board recommends
requiring in-house staff
00:26:31.740 --> 00:26:33.270
with minimum qualifications
00:26:33.270 --> 00:26:37.240
in vegetation management
and ecological sciences
00:26:37.240 --> 00:26:39.773
instead of relying
solely on contractors.
00:26:41.010 --> 00:26:41.843
Next slide.
00:26:45.060 --> 00:26:45.950
The next section
00:26:45.950 --> 00:26:50.700
in the recommendations is
system design and grid hardening.
00:26:50.700 --> 00:26:55.700
And the board recommends
that the WSD required an increase
00:26:56.900 --> 00:27:00.153
to more detailed invasive inspections,
00:27:02.060 --> 00:27:05.191
as well as require the
SMJUs to follow POUs
00:27:05.191 --> 00:27:06.590
and IOUs best practices
00:27:06.590 --> 00:27:08.533
for visual and detailed inspections.
00:27:09.540 --> 00:27:13.040
The WSD should require the SMJUs
00:27:13.040 --> 00:27:15.870
to employ the most
up-to-date technology such
00:27:15.870 --> 00:27:18.957
as infrared to adequately
examine the infrastructure
00:27:18.957 --> 00:27:20.863
within the high fire threat district.
00:27:23.060 --> 00:27:24.310
The board also recommends
00:27:24.310 --> 00:27:26.410
that the WSD requests more information
00:27:26.410 --> 00:27:28.620
about prioritizing mitigation efforts,
00:27:28.620 --> 00:27:31.430
the rate of project completion,
00:27:31.430 --> 00:27:34.530
the methodology used to
determine effectiveness,
00:27:34.530 --> 00:27:36.240
the effectiveness of hardening efforts
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:38.840
and any barriers to
infrastructure replacement.
00:27:38.840 --> 00:27:39.673
Next slide
00:27:41.580 --> 00:27:42.430
Thank you.
00:27:42.430 --> 00:27:45.450
And continuing in the system design
00:27:45.450 --> 00:27:49.060
and grid hardening section,
the board has a recommendation
00:27:49.060 --> 00:27:52.360
about workforce training
and qualified personnel.
00:27:52.360 --> 00:27:56.180
The board recommends the
WSD requests explanation
00:27:56.180 --> 00:27:58.313
of how personnel are deployed.
00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:03.750
The personnel constraints as
well as how contract inspectors
00:28:03.750 --> 00:28:06.870
are chosen and their
actual roles concerning
00:28:06.870 --> 00:28:08.340
the mitigation work.
00:28:08.340 --> 00:28:11.660
The SMJUs should
consider developing a larger
00:28:12.530 --> 00:28:17.010
internal workforce to
manage these inspections
00:28:19.973 --> 00:28:22.240
and the mitigation work.
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:25.820
This, the second recommendation
is about advance or the,
00:28:25.820 --> 00:28:29.560
I guess maybe it's the fifth. (chuckles)
00:28:29.560 --> 00:28:33.640
The next recommendation is
about advanced fault protection.
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:36.920
So the board requests an explanation
00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:41.460
of how the fault interrupting
equipment is checked
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:44.420
and verified.
00:28:44.420 --> 00:28:47.020
The board requests information
00:28:47.020 --> 00:28:52.020
about how the SMJUs
use infrared inspections
00:28:52.650 --> 00:28:55.170
and whether lightning arrestors
00:28:55.170 --> 00:28:58.030
in the high fire threat
districts have been changed
00:28:58.030 --> 00:29:00.463
to the CAL FIRE approved arrestors.
00:29:02.040 --> 00:29:05.780
Finally regarding
de-energization of idle lines.
00:29:05.780 --> 00:29:08.750
The board recommends
requiring an evaluation
00:29:08.750 --> 00:29:12.613
of the feasibility of
de-energizing the idle lines.
00:29:13.580 --> 00:29:14.413
Next slide
00:29:17.958 --> 00:29:20.840
But in the emergency planning
and communication section
00:29:20.840 --> 00:29:25.070
the board recommends that the
WSD request more information
00:29:25.070 --> 00:29:30.070
about customer feedback
about the SMJUs communication
00:29:30.280 --> 00:29:31.870
and outreach efforts and assess
00:29:31.870 --> 00:29:36.870
whether the SMJUs are
using the appropriate metrics.
00:29:37.010 --> 00:29:41.380
The board also recommends that
the WSD requests an expansion
00:29:41.380 --> 00:29:45.260
or refinement of outreach
to the AFN community
00:29:45.260 --> 00:29:46.513
and vulnerable customers.
00:29:48.270 --> 00:29:50.700
And the SMJUs should continue
improving their communication
00:29:50.700 --> 00:29:51.833
and outreach.
00:29:55.410 --> 00:29:57.660
I now turn the meeting
over to chair Edwards.
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:07.023
You're on mute Chair Edwards.
00:30:08.520 --> 00:30:11.990
There should be like an
automatic button or something.
00:30:11.990 --> 00:30:14.410
As many know the, we broke
00:30:14.410 --> 00:30:19.410
into Bagley-Keene or
BK groups to do this work.
00:30:19.470 --> 00:30:22.360
So to the extent that you
have questions or comments
00:30:22.360 --> 00:30:25.030
please reference the section
00:30:25.030 --> 00:30:27.760
so we can put the correct slide up.
00:30:27.760 --> 00:30:30.570
And I would ask any member
00:30:30.570 --> 00:30:35.360
of that particular BK group
to then answer the question.
00:30:35.360 --> 00:30:36.670
I will let the board know
00:30:36.670 --> 00:30:39.770
I know that all of you
have done significant work
00:30:39.770 --> 00:30:44.550
on this in advance, so that
is very much appreciated.
00:30:44.550 --> 00:30:46.850
And to the extent that
any additional questions
00:30:46.850 --> 00:30:50.940
or discussions remain, I
wanna open it up to the board.
00:30:50.940 --> 00:30:53.540
Just raise your hand if
you'd like to be recognized.
00:30:59.430 --> 00:31:01.580
Oh come on, John, you
must have a question.
00:31:03.842 --> 00:31:06.092
(laughing)
00:31:07.990 --> 00:31:10.110
I think Chair Edwards,
00:31:10.110 --> 00:31:12.420
I think the points were
made during the presentation
00:31:12.420 --> 00:31:14.400
that these recommendations are largely
00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:17.073
in line with our
recommendations for the IOUs.
00:31:18.011 --> 00:31:21.540
And I, you know, we don't get to talk
00:31:21.540 --> 00:31:23.700
about these things
together with each other
00:31:23.700 --> 00:31:25.973
because we're in the
Bagley-Keene groups.
00:31:27.010 --> 00:31:30.110
And so this is an opportunity to talk
00:31:30.110 --> 00:31:32.210
about in the risk
assessment in particular
00:31:33.220 --> 00:31:35.100
that really what we're
probably be working
00:31:35.100 --> 00:31:36.681
on at the next meeting, which is
00:31:36.681 --> 00:31:39.900
after reviewing all of
the IOUs and the POUs
00:31:41.147 --> 00:31:44.527
and the smaller IOUs that, you know,
00:31:44.527 --> 00:31:48.890
we're finding the need to standardize,
00:31:48.890 --> 00:31:50.950
at least standardize the reporting
00:31:50.950 --> 00:31:53.023
of the risk models that are being used.
00:31:53.930 --> 00:31:57.800
And so that, and that
there be more details
00:31:57.800 --> 00:32:01.320
about exactly what
are in these risk models.
00:32:01.320 --> 00:32:04.100
You know, we're seeing that's a lot
00:32:04.100 --> 00:32:06.672
of different entities in
California, and they're all coming
00:32:06.672 --> 00:32:09.713
up with all the different risk models.
00:32:10.660 --> 00:32:13.900
I do have to say that
Liberty really did actually put
00:32:13.900 --> 00:32:17.720
out probably the most
information on the risk model
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:19.780
that they were using,
that we've seen to date
00:32:19.780 --> 00:32:23.110
about specific information,
but still, you know, we
00:32:23.110 --> 00:32:26.030
didn't actually see exactly
what the factors that go
00:32:26.030 --> 00:32:28.360
into this risk model,
what the data look like,
00:32:28.360 --> 00:32:31.110
what happens when there isn't data,
00:32:31.110 --> 00:32:32.600
what is weighted, which way.
00:32:32.600 --> 00:32:36.020
And we do want to see these WMPs get
00:32:36.020 --> 00:32:38.270
to the point where that
they're that transparent
00:32:38.270 --> 00:32:41.670
or there's attachments where they go
00:32:41.670 --> 00:32:44.653
into that detail in their
report somewhere.
00:32:46.430 --> 00:32:47.263
Thank you, John.
00:32:47.263 --> 00:32:50.173
Your comments are certainly appropriate.
00:32:51.890 --> 00:32:54.090
Anybody else have any
comments or questions?
00:32:56.680 --> 00:32:57.793
Yes, ma'am go ahead.
00:33:00.210 --> 00:33:01.640
All right, so you hear me okay?
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:02.610
Yes.
00:33:02.610 --> 00:33:07.070
Great, so to follow up on
board member Mader's comments.
00:33:07.070 --> 00:33:09.810
I would like to just bring
to everyone's attention
00:33:09.810 --> 00:33:13.060
the concept of fair data principles.
00:33:13.060 --> 00:33:18.060
And they're written up on a
page, a website, go-fair.org.
00:33:18.610 --> 00:33:23.610
And the concept is to make
data find-able, accessible,
00:33:24.430 --> 00:33:28.090
interoperable and
reusable as the website says
00:33:28.090 --> 00:33:30.230
because humans are increasingly relying
00:33:30.230 --> 00:33:32.360
on computational
support to deal with data
00:33:32.360 --> 00:33:34.750
as a result of the increase
in volume, complexity
00:33:34.750 --> 00:33:37.720
and creation speed of the data.
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:41.340
We are relying more and
more on these analytic methods
00:33:41.340 --> 00:33:44.290
to understand what
these data are giving us.
00:33:44.290 --> 00:33:46.950
So the concept behind the
fair principles is to make sure
00:33:46.950 --> 00:33:51.950
that we can also validate as
humans, the value of the data
00:33:52.430 --> 00:33:54.390
and being able to reproduce the data,
00:33:54.390 --> 00:33:59.390
to validate what the
results are giving us
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:02.360
in multiple disciplines.
00:34:02.360 --> 00:34:05.360
So that's a foundation behind much
00:34:05.360 --> 00:34:07.210
of the concepts that
we're recommending here
00:34:07.210 --> 00:34:10.610
for the small utilities,
as well as the large IOUs.
00:34:10.610 --> 00:34:12.750
And that's the end of my comment today.
00:34:12.750 --> 00:34:13.583
Thank you.
00:34:14.710 --> 00:34:15.820
Thank you, Ms. Block.
00:34:15.820 --> 00:34:19.920
It's, actually, it's fascinating to me
00:34:19.920 --> 00:34:24.300
because many of us were
prior to the era, when you called
00:34:24.300 --> 00:34:28.503
up a search engine and
you got 183,000 responses.
00:34:29.430 --> 00:34:33.750
So that ability to parse
data into usual segments
00:34:35.860 --> 00:34:39.320
and to be able to
draw conclusions of it,
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:42.830
juxtaposed against a competitive model
00:34:42.830 --> 00:34:45.499
which certainly the investor owns
00:34:45.499 --> 00:34:49.230
and others are is work
that still needs to be done.
00:34:49.230 --> 00:34:52.933
So I think your comments
are certainly appreciated.
00:34:56.270 --> 00:34:58.770
And actually just, just
to conclude on that too.
00:34:59.700 --> 00:35:04.580
I've said this before, but
very happy to keep saying it.
00:35:04.580 --> 00:35:06.190
There's been so much, you know
00:35:06.190 --> 00:35:08.860
we're the California Wildfire
Safety Advisory Board
00:35:08.860 --> 00:35:10.490
and we're the hub of all
00:35:10.490 --> 00:35:13.230
of this advanced
machine learning research
00:35:14.175 --> 00:35:15.950
in private industry.
00:35:15.950 --> 00:35:19.160
And all of that has yet
to be regulated in part,
00:35:19.160 --> 00:35:21.120
because it's not,
00:35:21.120 --> 00:35:23.970
most of it has nothing
to do with saving lives.
00:35:23.970 --> 00:35:25.350
And so this
00:35:25.350 --> 00:35:28.740
these fair principles will help
us to understand methods
00:35:28.740 --> 00:35:31.080
and be more transparent
about the process
00:35:32.162 --> 00:35:36.220
because now we're using
it for really critical decisions.
00:35:36.220 --> 00:35:39.043
So yeah, that's why that's,
00:35:40.200 --> 00:35:42.930
there's an importance
here that's been different
00:35:42.930 --> 00:35:44.430
than traditionally thought of.
00:35:45.680 --> 00:35:48.240
Thank you, that's
an excellent point.
00:35:48.240 --> 00:35:51.840
Board member Porter, did
you have some comments?
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:54.453
My chat function's
acting up a little bit here.
00:35:59.550 --> 00:36:01.970
Actually, I didn't, but
since you've called on me
00:36:01.970 --> 00:36:04.130
I actually do have something.
00:36:04.130 --> 00:36:09.130
With the, a common theme with the small
00:36:09.440 --> 00:36:12.440
and multi-jurisdictional
utilities is that they're
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:15.640
in deeply rural areas and they
00:36:16.500 --> 00:36:21.500
most of their customers are resorts.
00:36:22.690 --> 00:36:27.690
Some are mobile home
parks that have second
00:36:28.990 --> 00:36:33.990
and third tier not seen by
those utilities as stakeholders.
00:36:34.310 --> 00:36:37.130
But the customers behind those meters
00:36:37.130 --> 00:36:42.080
and trying to understand
exactly what their outreach
00:36:42.080 --> 00:36:45.040
programs do for those
individuals is something that we
00:36:45.040 --> 00:36:46.830
need to understand better.
00:36:46.830 --> 00:36:49.700
They need to be a little
bit more detailed in that
00:36:49.700 --> 00:36:54.700
and the methodology that
they're using to reach those
00:36:55.180 --> 00:36:59.490
and the work that they
are doing in public outreach.
00:36:59.490 --> 00:37:04.080
What metrics are they
using to let us understand
00:37:04.080 --> 00:37:05.430
that it's actually working.
00:37:06.903 --> 00:37:09.913
That's something that didn't
come through clear enough.
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:15.960
They are doing well at
trying to do what they can
00:37:16.430 --> 00:37:20.223
with the vast service
territories that they have.
00:37:21.180 --> 00:37:25.110
But again, same thing with John Mader,
00:37:25.110 --> 00:37:27.320
we need more crumbs to follow
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:28.217
to get a clearer picture.
00:37:28.217 --> 00:37:29.930
How are they
quantifying success?
00:37:29.930 --> 00:37:31.440
Yes, exactly.
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:33.370
And how do they
know that's success?
00:37:33.370 --> 00:37:34.363
Yes.
Yes.
00:37:34.363 --> 00:37:36.143
Now, I certainly
see your point.
00:37:38.300 --> 00:37:39.463
Anything else, sir?
00:37:42.330 --> 00:37:43.350
No.
00:37:43.350 --> 00:37:46.550
Do any of the other board
members have any comments
00:37:46.550 --> 00:37:48.413
either general or specific?
00:37:49.300 --> 00:37:50.450
I can make a comment.
00:37:52.512 --> 00:37:53.363
Okay, go ahead.
00:37:55.210 --> 00:37:57.790
So I was doing
a bit of reflecting
00:37:57.790 --> 00:38:02.220
before the meeting and a
couple of quotes came to mind
00:38:02.220 --> 00:38:07.220
and I thought of them as
these are somewhat big picture
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:10.160
quotes describing
the motivation for a lot
00:38:10.160 --> 00:38:12.700
of the recommendations
that we're making.
00:38:12.700 --> 00:38:13.680
So the first one
00:38:13.680 --> 00:38:16.590
and they're both basically
saying the same thing.
00:38:16.590 --> 00:38:17.617
The first one is
00:38:17.617 --> 00:38:20.117
"It is highly probable that
from the very beginning,
00:38:20.117 --> 00:38:24.237
"apart from death,
the only ironclad rule
00:38:24.237 --> 00:38:26.157
"of human experience has been the law
00:38:26.157 --> 00:38:28.037
"of unintended consequences."
00:38:29.350 --> 00:38:33.310
The other one is something
that my dear colleague,
00:38:33.310 --> 00:38:36.680
John Keely, who was on that
vegetation management group
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:40.550
often says and it's based on something
00:38:40.550 --> 00:38:42.200
that Eric Sevareid said.
00:38:42.200 --> 00:38:47.180
Eric Sevareid being a
very well known journalist
00:38:47.180 --> 00:38:48.550
and war correspondent.
00:38:48.550 --> 00:38:53.550
And his quote is "The chief
cause of problems is pollution."
00:38:54.326 --> 00:38:55.270
(laughing)
00:38:55.270 --> 00:39:00.270
So I bring this up this
because, you know,
00:39:01.390 --> 00:39:05.660
we are making a lot of recommendations
00:39:05.660 --> 00:39:09.230
and many of them are
the same for, you know,
00:39:09.230 --> 00:39:14.230
whether it's the IOUs or
the smaller organizations.
00:39:14.980 --> 00:39:19.670
And in terms of the two
topics that I've worked on
00:39:19.670 --> 00:39:21.870
which are risk assessment and modeling
00:39:21.870 --> 00:39:23.733
and vegetation management.
00:39:24.940 --> 00:39:27.050
In terms of risk modeling
00:39:27.050 --> 00:39:29.223
there's a lot riding on these models.
00:39:30.110 --> 00:39:33.490
These are the main
methods that are being used
00:39:33.490 --> 00:39:37.670
to determine how to take action
00:39:37.670 --> 00:39:40.073
and to make priorities
about the actions.
00:39:40.910 --> 00:39:42.859
And these modeling platforms
00:39:42.859 --> 00:39:45.590
are they're one, they're very complex.
00:39:45.590 --> 00:39:48.000
Two they're dealing with dynamic systems
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.350
and three there are many
different components that are
00:39:50.350 --> 00:39:52.820
all being combined together.
00:39:52.820 --> 00:39:57.810
So we are not trying to be
critical in our recommendations.
00:39:57.810 --> 00:40:00.483
We are simply trying to understand more.
00:40:01.370 --> 00:40:05.500
The requests for transparency,
professional review,
00:40:05.500 --> 00:40:09.640
knowing what the qualifications
are, is basically suggesting
00:40:09.640 --> 00:40:12.760
that there are just more
eyes on the problem.
00:40:12.760 --> 00:40:14.970
And with more eyes on the problem,
00:40:14.970 --> 00:40:18.520
the greater the chance
that these actions are going
00:40:18.520 --> 00:40:21.220
to be effective and the
lower the chance there is
00:40:21.220 --> 00:40:23.454
for unintended consequences.
00:40:23.454 --> 00:40:26.930
And the more experience
that the eyes have on them
00:40:26.930 --> 00:40:28.410
it makes it even more likely
00:40:28.410 --> 00:40:30.133
that the actions can be effective.
00:40:31.010 --> 00:40:33.580
And then in terms of
vegetation management
00:40:33.580 --> 00:40:35.790
I thought about two examples
00:40:35.790 --> 00:40:38.480
of what we're recommending that fall
00:40:38.480 --> 00:40:41.593
into this law of unintended
consequences idea.
00:40:42.630 --> 00:40:44.850
The first one is we've been talking
00:40:44.850 --> 00:40:49.850
about being careful in terms
of removing potentially green
00:40:51.330 --> 00:40:56.330
low growing shrubs that have
higher fuel moisture content
00:40:56.560 --> 00:41:00.500
to try to prevent the
unintended consequence
00:41:00.500 --> 00:41:04.440
of the invasion of
very flashy weedy fields
00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:07.683
that are quickly growing
that are very flammable.
00:41:08.690 --> 00:41:11.890
So that the vegetation
management designed to
00:41:11.890 --> 00:41:14.730
increase fire safety
doesn't unintentionally
00:41:14.730 --> 00:41:16.540
actually increase fire risks
00:41:16.540 --> 00:41:21.020
by resulting in more fires
because whatever sparks lands
00:41:21.020 --> 00:41:23.680
on something that's highly ignitable.
00:41:23.680 --> 00:41:26.820
And then the final one is
the recent recommendation
00:41:26.820 --> 00:41:30.010
that we made about
trying to understand better
00:41:30.868 --> 00:41:35.210
the tree growth regulators
or the herbicides is
00:41:35.210 --> 00:41:39.110
that they may be applied
with the best intentions
00:41:39.110 --> 00:41:41.270
but there is a lot we
still don't understand
00:41:41.270 --> 00:41:42.970
about these chemicals.
00:41:42.970 --> 00:41:47.250
And one is we don't want
to have a public health
00:41:47.250 --> 00:41:49.160
consequence that is equal to
00:41:49.160 --> 00:41:51.680
or rivals the public health consequence
00:41:51.680 --> 00:41:55.830
of wildfires because these
can get into our water system.
00:41:55.830 --> 00:41:57.070
And then, you know
00:41:57.070 --> 00:41:59.800
there's also the potential
unintended consequence
00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:02.840
that these chemicals can result
00:42:02.840 --> 00:42:05.570
in clearing areas that then open them
00:42:05.570 --> 00:42:10.570
up for establishment of
flashy, flammable vegetation.
00:42:10.890 --> 00:42:14.800
So that's, those were my
thoughts that I wanted to add.
00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:15.919
Thank you.
00:42:15.919 --> 00:42:16.752
Thank you.
00:42:16.752 --> 00:42:19.470
Those were excellent observations.
00:42:19.470 --> 00:42:20.570
Board member Armstrong?
00:42:20.570 --> 00:42:21.563
I saw your hand up.
00:42:22.690 --> 00:42:24.140
Yeah, thanks Chair Edwards.
00:42:25.222 --> 00:42:27.810
You know, as we enter
into the second full year
00:42:29.530 --> 00:42:32.250
as a board, you know,
I can't help that think
00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:36.760
the total number of wildfire
mitigation plans that we have.
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:38.780
I think we're all
probably getting a little bit
00:42:38.780 --> 00:42:40.343
of WMP fatigue.
00:42:42.150 --> 00:42:44.740
But it's hard to compare as you
00:42:44.740 --> 00:42:47.510
read through just getting
done with the large IOUs
00:42:47.510 --> 00:42:48.910
and then going through the small IOUs,
00:42:48.910 --> 00:42:51.900
there's definitely a big difference
00:42:51.900 --> 00:42:53.450
in information to digest.
00:42:53.450 --> 00:42:55.840
And I think it goes to the
request for more information
00:42:55.840 --> 00:42:57.140
from the small IOUs.
00:43:01.920 --> 00:43:03.250
And some of the things
that I was involved
00:43:03.250 --> 00:43:04.527
in were the vegetation management
00:43:04.527 --> 00:43:06.400
and the system design and hardening.
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.060
And well, we don't, you know,
00:43:09.060 --> 00:43:11.140
looking at things like
the inspection processes
00:43:11.140 --> 00:43:15.077
whether we add LIDAR to it,
which LIDAR's a great tool but,
00:43:15.077 --> 00:43:17.120
and we've seen multiple plans where
00:43:17.120 --> 00:43:20.210
or had multiple discussions
with places where they talk
00:43:20.210 --> 00:43:25.060
about false positives or, you
know, not reading correctly.
00:43:25.060 --> 00:43:28.663
So you can't replace the eyes on,
00:43:30.740 --> 00:43:33.160
people in the field
basically inspecting some
00:43:33.160 --> 00:43:35.880
of this stuff with just LIDAR.
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:37.880
I think LIDAR is an awesome tool.
00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:39.954
It needs to continue,
but the risk is just
00:43:39.954 --> 00:43:44.954
too high to rely solely on that.
00:43:45.410 --> 00:43:49.170
Now along with some of
the old inspection processes
00:43:49.170 --> 00:43:52.013
where it was a fall
on a five-year cycle,
00:43:52.013 --> 00:43:55.430
and we're talking about
most of the small IOUs are
00:43:56.520 --> 00:44:00.040
in tier two and tier three areas.
00:44:00.040 --> 00:44:04.280
You know, it's critical that
we see what's going on,
00:44:04.280 --> 00:44:06.970
especially if after a winter
storm, things like that,
00:44:06.970 --> 00:44:08.440
just to make sure
that everything is okay
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:10.320
before fire season starts.
00:44:10.320 --> 00:44:12.020
So looking at some of the best practices
00:44:12.020 --> 00:44:15.360
with some of the larger
IOUs and even some of the
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:19.310
in many of the POUs, where they inspect
00:44:19.310 --> 00:44:22.603
on a annual basis of those
areas, I think is critical.
00:44:23.550 --> 00:44:25.390
And, you know,
00:44:25.390 --> 00:44:27.530
those are the models
that need to be taken into.
00:44:27.530 --> 00:44:30.990
And again, I don't wanna beat
the dead horse with, you know,
00:44:30.990 --> 00:44:32.590
what a lot of people are saying.
00:44:33.770 --> 00:44:38.650
With a lot of this modeling,
some of the larger IOUs, but
00:44:40.730 --> 00:44:44.780
you know, we just, the
asset inspections are critical.
00:44:44.780 --> 00:44:46.260
Vegetation management is critical.
00:44:46.260 --> 00:44:48.030
Get the right people
to inspect, you know,
00:44:48.030 --> 00:44:50.180
understand what you're inspecting.
00:44:50.180 --> 00:44:52.910
I used to work for
utility that, you know,
00:44:52.910 --> 00:44:53.950
lineman cut trees.
00:44:53.950 --> 00:44:55.280
And I noticed at one of these
00:44:55.280 --> 00:44:59.780
that's exactly what was being done
00:44:59.780 --> 00:45:04.780
versus somebody that is, you
know, in tuned with, you know,
00:45:04.980 --> 00:45:07.680
the species of the
trees, that type of stuff.
00:45:07.680 --> 00:45:10.930
And I, and it's critical
in my opinion as well
00:45:10.930 --> 00:45:14.000
that we get the right people
doing the right inspections.
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:17.250
So just wanted to touch on
that a little bit, Chair Edwards.
00:45:18.750 --> 00:45:19.600
Thank you board member.
00:45:19.600 --> 00:45:22.610
I think you're kind of the backstory
00:45:22.610 --> 00:45:26.570
that perspective is extremely
valuable for people who
00:45:26.570 --> 00:45:28.780
certainly weren't able
to be part of the more
00:45:28.780 --> 00:45:30.300
detailed discussion.
00:45:30.300 --> 00:45:31.283
Thank you for that.
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:33.753
All right.
00:45:33.753 --> 00:45:35.680
I wanna do one more check.
00:45:35.680 --> 00:45:39.233
I don't see anyone
requesting to speak in chat.
00:45:40.240 --> 00:45:42.790
I do not see any more hands raised,
00:45:42.790 --> 00:45:45.710
albeit actually I'm having
again a little trouble.
00:45:45.710 --> 00:45:46.900
Yes.
00:45:46.900 --> 00:45:50.070
Chair Edwards, I'd
like to just make another,
00:45:50.070 --> 00:45:53.670
just to support what board
member Syphard was saying
00:45:53.670 --> 00:45:56.780
about these laws of
unintended consequences
00:45:56.780 --> 00:45:58.620
and our requests for
understanding of the models.
00:45:58.620 --> 00:46:01.620
I just want to repeat what she
said, just to hammer it home.
00:46:03.080 --> 00:46:04.770
Those of us that have
been reviewing these risk
00:46:04.770 --> 00:46:09.770
assessments solutions are in
no way criticizing the process.
00:46:10.130 --> 00:46:13.200
And we were actually really
thrilled to see the progress
00:46:13.200 --> 00:46:15.890
that has been written into these plans.
00:46:15.890 --> 00:46:17.740
So it's in no way a criticism.
00:46:17.740 --> 00:46:19.450
It's just a matter of the transparency
00:46:19.450 --> 00:46:20.730
and understanding the complexity.
00:46:20.730 --> 00:46:23.410
And I just thought that
was worthy of saying twice.
00:46:23.410 --> 00:46:24.243
Thank you.
00:46:25.610 --> 00:46:26.443
Thank you.
00:46:26.443 --> 00:46:28.723
I now don't have any comments to make
00:46:28.723 --> 00:46:30.903
because you guys have made all of mine.
00:46:32.870 --> 00:46:36.070
Seeing no other requests,
seeing or hearing none
00:46:36.070 --> 00:46:39.823
I was again, advised that
this would take a voice vote.
00:46:42.154 --> 00:46:46.660
Vice chair Fellman is not in attendance.
00:46:47.570 --> 00:46:48.563
Do I have a,
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anybody wanna move that we
accept the recommendations?
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I'll do it.
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Board member Armstrong moves.
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Do I have a second?
00:47:04.450 --> 00:47:05.283
Second.
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We have a second.
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And with that board member
Syphard. Aye.
00:47:15.830 --> 00:47:17.280
Board member Mader.
Aye.
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:21.010
Board member Armstrong.
Aye.
00:47:22.650 --> 00:47:25.103
Board member Block.
Aye.
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And it's certainly an
aye from myself as well.
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All right, that motion passes.
00:47:34.170 --> 00:47:35.910
And again, thank you all
00:47:35.910 --> 00:47:38.863
for your very hard work
on this particular topic.
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Like to thank everyone for participating
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:43.630
in the virtual board meeting.
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Our next board meeting will
take place June 23rd, 2021
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and we will discuss the
board's recommendations
00:47:51.110 --> 00:47:52.510
on the guidelines overall.
00:47:52.510 --> 00:47:55.940
Again please don't
hesitate to get ahold of us.
00:47:55.940 --> 00:47:57.860
Contact information can be found
00:47:57.860 --> 00:48:02.860
Wildfire Safety Advisory Board
website www.cpuc.ca.gov/wsab.
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We would also like to
thank Governor Newsom
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and the legislature for
their continued efforts
00:48:13.290 --> 00:48:15.810
in supporting wildfire mitigation.
00:48:15.810 --> 00:48:19.030
With Governor Newsom's
recent declaration of drought
00:48:19.030 --> 00:48:22.560
in many counties and fire
season quickly approaching,
00:48:22.560 --> 00:48:23.800
we applaud his signing
00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:27.390
of the $536 million
wildfire package that will
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fund projects that support
wildfire suppression,
00:48:30.560 --> 00:48:32.740
improve forest health
and build resilience
00:48:32.740 --> 00:48:34.390
in communities to protect residents
00:48:34.390 --> 00:48:37.920
and property from catastrophic wildfire.
00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:41.740
And as always, all of
the board would like to
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provide our special
thanks to Robert Stanford
00:48:44.110 --> 00:48:46.700
and Joe Haga and our
team of IT professionals
00:48:46.700 --> 00:48:51.170
at the PUC for making
this meeting possible.
00:48:51.170 --> 00:48:56.170
I wanna check with our
analysts, Katherine Stockton
00:48:56.310 --> 00:48:57.920
for any final thoughts
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I'd like to take a few
brief moments to talk
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about vaccines and the COVID-19 crisis.
00:49:07.500 --> 00:49:09.243
Please stay safe, everyone.
00:49:10.320 --> 00:49:13.570
It feels like the vaccine is ending
00:49:13.570 --> 00:49:17.783
but we still need to be
vigilant and be cautious.
00:49:19.530 --> 00:49:22.670
Your efforts will help
all of Californians.
00:49:22.670 --> 00:49:25.800
The most important thing that
you can do is get vaccinated
00:49:26.980 --> 00:49:31.300
for your own health, for
the health of the community.
00:49:31.300 --> 00:49:33.680
Vaccines will help everyone over the,
00:49:33.680 --> 00:49:38.583
vaccines are now available
for everyone over the age of 16.
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:42.793
Vaccines will help us get herd immunity.
00:49:44.340 --> 00:49:47.230
And please talk to your doctor.
00:49:47.230 --> 00:49:50.100
If you're having, if you're hesitant
00:49:50.100 --> 00:49:51.523
about getting a vaccine.
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:55.560
The vaccines will help
the most vulnerable
00:49:55.560 --> 00:49:57.390
members of society.
00:49:57.390 --> 00:49:59.793
And they'll really prevent you from,
00:50:00.730 --> 00:50:02.480
if you do get sick with COVID,
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:05.216
they'll prevent very likely prevent you
00:50:05.216 --> 00:50:09.327
from getting the worst symptoms of COVID
00:50:09.327 --> 00:50:12.073
and likely prevent death.
00:50:13.500 --> 00:50:18.420
Please visit www.myturn.ca.gov
00:50:18.420 --> 00:50:21.943
for more information
about vaccination sites.
00:50:23.380 --> 00:50:26.800
Finally, once now that so
many of us are vaccinated
00:50:28.230 --> 00:50:30.310
please review the CDC guidance
00:50:30.310 --> 00:50:32.923
on what to do once you are vaccinated.
00:50:34.070 --> 00:50:36.440
You can gather indoors without mask
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:41.410
and staying six feet apart
with fully vaccinated people.
00:50:41.410 --> 00:50:44.680
You can, if you are vaccinated
00:50:44.680 --> 00:50:49.680
you can gather indoors with
unvaccinated people of any age
00:50:50.030 --> 00:50:55.000
but just from one household,
unless there are folks
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:59.440
in that household that are,
could have an increased risk
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:02.070
for severe illness from COVID-19.
00:51:02.070 --> 00:51:03.480
If you're fully vaccinated
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:08.480
you can gather for activities
outdoors without masks,
00:51:08.760 --> 00:51:10.970
except under certain situations
00:51:10.970 --> 00:51:13.283
of crowded settings and venues.
00:51:14.130 --> 00:51:15.703
So for all other situations,
00:51:17.728 --> 00:51:19.040
you should still wear a mask.
00:51:19.040 --> 00:51:24.040
For example, if you're
around unvaccinated people
00:51:24.130 --> 00:51:26.053
from many from different households.
00:51:27.240 --> 00:51:30.173
So really take some time to review that.
00:51:31.293 --> 00:51:33.820
And then finally follow
public health guidance
00:51:33.820 --> 00:51:35.440
regarding closures.
00:51:35.440 --> 00:51:38.330
Things are starting
to open back up again,
00:51:38.330 --> 00:51:40.782
but not everything.
00:51:40.782 --> 00:51:45.782
Please visit www.COVID19.ca.gov
for that information.
00:51:49.373 --> 00:51:50.206
Thank you.
00:51:50.206 --> 00:51:51.840
Thank you, Katherine.
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Once again, we appreciate
the support of our advisors
00:51:55.610 --> 00:51:58.160
and our IT professionals.
00:51:58.160 --> 00:52:02.400
Certainly that of all
of the board members
00:52:02.400 --> 00:52:04.480
for not only your work on this topic
00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:07.840
but also your discussion and comments.
00:52:07.840 --> 00:52:10.010
I think they were all taken very well.
00:52:10.010 --> 00:52:13.190
And also finally the public.
00:52:13.190 --> 00:52:16.240
And again, I will remind you,
we are always looking forward
00:52:16.240 --> 00:52:18.430
to hearing your opinion.
00:52:18.430 --> 00:52:21.473
With that, do I have a motion
to adjourn this meeting?
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Board member Porter so moves.
00:52:30.850 --> 00:52:33.100
Thank you board
member, do I have a second?
00:52:35.350 --> 00:52:36.183
Mr. Mader.
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Given that I'm just not hearing
a huge round of objections,
00:52:41.210 --> 00:52:43.010
we will go ahead and
adjourn the meeting.
00:52:43.010 --> 00:52:44.670
And again, I thank you.
00:52:44.670 --> 00:52:47.120
I thank you all very
much for your participation.
00:52:49.940 --> 00:52:51.670
This concludes
today's conference.
00:52:51.670 --> 00:52:54.413
All participants may
disconnect at this time.