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Hi, welcome to
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the second Low-Income
Oversight Board Meeting of 2021.
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I am really hoping this is
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the last full Low-Income
Oversight Board Meeting on WebEx,
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but I'm sure we'll wait and see
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and do whatever is the most safe
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and recommended, and makes
everybody feel comfortable,
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but I just missing people.
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So I want to open with that
and I've started to see a lot of
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people I haven't seen
in more than a year
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in the last few weeks, and
it's just really been wonderful.
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So it's wonderful to
see everyone here today.
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I'm looking forward to the
meeting and going over all of
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these important items, but most of all,
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just happy that the news
seems to continue to improve
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as each day goes by.
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With that, as always, it's my pleasure,
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before we do introductions
of the full board to introduce
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our assigned Commissioner
for her opening comments,
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Commissioner Shiroma.
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Yes and I thank you.
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Good morning Chair Delgado
Olsen, and fellow Board Members,
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I also want to extend a warm welcome
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to everyone attending today's meeting.
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As you said, Chair, this
last year was phenomenal
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and in so many ways, and in terms of
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what everyone experienced
with the pandemic,
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the stay-at-home and continuing
to do what we need to do.
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And so I want to first
recognize the contribution
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of this Low-Income Oversight Board
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with the recent decision adopted
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by the California Public
Utilities Commission
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on June 3rd, five, zero, this decision
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authorizes $11 billion for
low-income programs administered
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by Pacific Gas & Electric,
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Southern California Edison,
San Diego Gas & Electric,
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and SoCal Gas to reduce the hardships
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of income-qualified Californians
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and the communities
with the greatest need
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to lower their energy bills,
combat climate change,
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and improve health, comfort, and safety.
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This decision has over 500 pages.
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It was a huge accomplishment.
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And I want to thank the LLIB
members for your participation,
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your recommendations
throughout the process to improve
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the California Alternate
Rates for Energy, CARE,
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the Family Electric
Rates Assistance, FERA,
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and the Energy Savings
Assistance, ESA programs.
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More specifically,
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this was the first time
that we at the CPUC
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through our judge, we
engaged the LLIB very early
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in the proceeding record
development process.
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Over six months before the
final decision was moving out,
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to issue a ruling
garnering party comments
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on your ideas, that was
conveyed through a letter
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as soon as put that out as
a ruling to garner comments,
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to get that those ideas into
the docket, into the record,
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and to really be able to fold
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in the ideas into the decision.
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I want to personally thank
all of you each LLIB member
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for your additional
engagement in the applications
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from the IOUs.
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And if anyone reads the
over-500 pages plus appendices,
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you will see that we fold in the LIOB
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and the metrics that you recommended.
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And turning further to today's agenda
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I want to call it another
landmark decision
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the CPUC adopted on May 20th, 2021,
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in our main energy efficiency program.
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I am also the assigned
Commissioner on Energy Efficiency.
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And since the 1970s,
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California has led the
nation on energy efficiency.
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As the assigned Commissioner,
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we worked on a decision that reforms,
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the energy efficiency
policy in California
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towards better aligning programs
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with reducing greenhouse gas emissions,
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addressing customer equity,
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really helping to put together a program
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where we are providing greater equity
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in terms of how these
programs are reached,
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and creating longterm
energy grid stability.
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I do in more to do a shout out
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to the Natural Resources Defense Council
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and helping us navigate and put together
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this new way of looking
things that doesn't always have
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to be cost effective, but meanwhile,
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metrics of course are always tracked,
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but really looking at how do we provide
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for some greater flexibility
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and some different
ways to look at how do we
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accomplish that, that energy efficiency,
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which continues to be very important.
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So we will be joined
later by just the Alison,
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a Senior Analyst in the
CPUC's Energy Division
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who will give us a presentation
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on the new energy efficiency decision.
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Jessica will explain a new
total system benefit metric
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we use for tracking
and reporting energy,
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or efficiency savings,
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and the new energy
efficiency portfolio segmentation
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of programs to categorize
based on our primary purpose
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of delivering energy savings,
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providing market-like
workforce development
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and addressing equity
issues like targeting
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hard-to-reach customers.
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And there's one more
thing I wanted to mention
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about all of this and it,
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anyways, we will hear
thoroughly from Jessica,
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how all of this is going to work
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a little later this morning.
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So I'll stop there back to
you, Chair Delgado Olsen,
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thank you.
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Thank you, Commissioner.
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I believe next word
businesses introduction.
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So Dillings, if you want
to set up that slide?
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I think we finally put a
roster so everyone will know
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when to introduce themselves.
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Yes, so going past
some of the meeting information
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and the introductions
there is the roster.
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So I would say,
Commissioner Shiroma
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and I have introduced ourselves.
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So starting with vice chairs down.
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Good morning, everyone.
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Vice Chair Santis here, public member.
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I'm looking forward to
the conversation today,
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especially with the warm
weather and June 30th approaching
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looking forward to the conversation.
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Good morning, this is Jason
Wembley, a board member,
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Jason Wembley representative
as CSD and board member
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to the LIOB, looking forward
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to today's conversation as well.
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Hey, all right.
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Robert Castineda, public member.
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Yeah.
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I'm looking forward to
continuing to contribute and work
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towards a framework put
forward, which is solid change,
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positive change that does two things.
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It meets the needs of our
communities at the same time,
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embracing technology
and different activities
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that clearly we can discuss
how we perform measures
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or how we do specific
things with energy efficiency
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and to work through the barriers, that's
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a discussion that we've
been looking to have,
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at least from an LIOB perspective
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for as long as I've been on the board.
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And I think what I'm hearing
from Commissioner Shiroma is
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that on the energy efficiency side,
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we're going to get a
presentation that is very robust,
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and it's going to deal
with a lot of the issues,
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either based on cost effectiveness
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or any other types of
barriers, and how we're going
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to a cow, we're going to press on.
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So, I'm looking forward
to it, sounds great.
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Thanks.
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Good morning, Pat Watts,
President/CEO, FCI Management,
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and the Private Weatherization
Contractor Representative
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on the board.
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And I am really happy to
represent the group of contractors
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that make sure that all
of the ESA contract, all of
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the ESA customers are served,
well-mannered, well-deserving,
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and the quality of ways of thank you
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and looking forward
to today's discussion.
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Good morning, I'm Paul
Reuben, public member.
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I'm also the Executive
Housing Director of
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the North Fork Ranchera
Indian Housing Authority.
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Also look forward to
the date today's meeting.
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Thank you.
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Good morning,
I'm Lisa Castelone,
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I'm a public member
and I'm a Representative
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from Grid Alternatives Inland Empire,
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and I'm especially
interested in today's meeting.
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There's a lot of great information
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and some new things that are coming on.
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I'm very excited about, so thank you.
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Hi, good morning everyone.
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I'm Jeff Wyam, I am a
Water Utility Representative
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on the LIOB.
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It's certainly challenging
and hopeful times
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as well on the water side.
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And certainly our challenge as a board
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is furthering good public policy.
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And with coming out of COVID,
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but also some of the drought challenges
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we have in the state,
finding that balance
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that protects the most
vulnerable of our population
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and make sure that we
conserve a precious resource
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are our two big challenges.
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So I'm glad to be here
to participate today.
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Hi, good morning everyone.
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My name is Jessica Lim
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and I am the LIOB Board Representative
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for the Electrical and Gas Utilities.
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I'm also looking forward
to today's discussion,
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honor to be here, and
also what to wrap up
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the introductions, and agree with Benito
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that looking forward
to this being may be
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our last virtual meeting
and being in-person soon,
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very hopeful things are taking
a good churn in California.
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So thank you.
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Okay, thank you, Board Members.
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We're going to move on to item
two, which is public comment.
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Just as a reminder to everyone,
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public comment is intended
to provide an opportunity
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for members of the public
who wish to address the board
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on a topic that is not on the agenda.
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Members of the board are not allowed
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to take any formal action on an item
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not on the agenda, if possible,
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it is requested that
public comment be limited
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to two minutes and Jillian,
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if you could start public
comment, we're ready.
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Great, thank you, Chair.
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Let me just go over some
instructions for public comment
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on both the English audio via WebEx
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and the Spanish
audio via the call-in line.
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So if you are, we'd
like to make a comment
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in English via the WebEx platform,
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please use the "raise hand" feature.
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If you open the panelists,
the participant panel,
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you should see a small little hand,
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which has circled on this slide,
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and you can use that
feature to raise your hand.
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Then you will be put into a
queue requesting to speak.
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And when it's your turn,
the host will unmute you
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and allow you to make public comment.
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You could also use the
chat box if you're unable
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to find the raise hand
feature and request
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to comment that way.
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For those who are listening
on the Spanish phone line
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and would like to make a comment,
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please press star one and
state your name when prompted.
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This will allow the operator to put you
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into the queue for this Spanish comment.
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And we will check with
the Verizon operator,
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whether there is any Spanish comment
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after we go through the English.
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So again, a reminder,
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any of those who wish
to make public comment,
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please use the raise hand
feature or use the chat box.
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As of right now, I do not
see any requests to comment,
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but I'll give people a few moments.
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For the operator, do we
have anyone who wishes
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to comment in Spanish?
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All right, I see a message
that we do not at this time.
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So just give a few more seconds
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I think for English public
comment via WebEx,
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but I don't see any raised hands
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or any messages in the chat.
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Joe, as host, have you received
any messages in the chat?
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Just want to double check
with you that I've seen.
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Thank you for asking.
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No, I have not.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Well, we'll move on to item three then,
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but if somebody comes
in late, just let us know.
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Item three is approval
of the March 11th, 2021,
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LIOB meeting minutes.
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I'll open it up for discussion
and or a motion for approval.
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Okay, I don't think
there's any discussion,
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would somebody like to make a motion
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to approve the previous meeting minutes.
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I'll make a motion to approve.
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I will second.
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I'll say Vice-Chair
Stamis this afternoon
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'cause I saw her first,
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but anyway, so motion by
Board Member Casteneda,
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seconded by Vice-Chair Stamis.
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Jillian, do you need to call the roll
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on this or can it be consented?
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I think just for those
listening over the phone
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or any other features, I
will just call roll quickly.
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So Board Chair Delgado Olsen?
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Yes.
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Board Member Watts?
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Yes.
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Board Member Castendeda?.
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Yes.
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Board Member Lin.
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Yes.
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Board Member Wembley?
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Yes.
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Board Member Wynham?
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Yes.
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Board Member Castelone?
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Yes.
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Vice-Chair Somis?
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Yes.
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Board Member Irwin?
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Yes.
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And Commissioner Shiroma?
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Aye.
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All right, thank you.
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So it, the meeting minutes
are approved unanimously.
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Okay, excellent.
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So we will move on to item four,
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which is comments from
community-based organizations
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and dealing and Ali with you,
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if there's any community-based
organizations that wish
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to present to the board.
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All right thank you.
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So similar to public comment,
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any individuals or members of
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the community-based organizations
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who wish to address
the board at this time
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should please use the
raise hand feature or the chat
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so that the WebEx host can unmute you
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and allow you to speak.
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Are there any
community-based organizations
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that wish to comment to the board?
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Again, please use the raise hand feature
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or the chat box to request to speak.
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But right now I'm showing no one.
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Joe, have you received
any chat messages?
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I've received none.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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In that case we will move on to Joe,
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the energy division update
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and move into Joe, Joe,
whenever you're ready.
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Welcome, and you may begin.
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Okay, thank you, Chair
Delgado Olson and good morning.
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Low-Income Oversight Board Members
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and members of the public
computable, Carney, California,
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Public Utilities Commission,
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Energy Division staff with
the energy division update.
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Next slide, please.
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Say, Kakil, your
voice is a little bit soft.
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Okay, let me
speak a little louder.
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Thank you.
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The purpose of this update
is to provide information
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on three topic areas, the
recent ESA FERA decision
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that the Commissioner mentioned,
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including an update on what changed
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from the previous update I gave,
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an update on the low-income
needs assessment,
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as well as an update on the
potential and study, next slide.
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So this slide shows some
of the previous highlights
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that were shown as well as changes
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from what was presented
previously and changes from
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what was, what came out in
the proposed decision in May.
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And just backing up a little bit.
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The previous update I
gave was on May 14th
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at a sub committee meeting.
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That was a few weeks after
the proposed decision came out.
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What usually happens is that
the parties to the proceeding
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provide comments on the
decision that the 500-page decision,
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they're given about three weeks
to provide comments and then
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another week or two
weeks to provide replies
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to those comments.
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And so the soon after the update
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that I gave previously,
comments came in.
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And so a lot of the changes
that you see here that are
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in bold are in response to the comments
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that were received in the
applied comments by parties.
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The major change for the budget.
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Overall, there for the six years,
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the budget stayed
the same at 2.2 billion,
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over five and a half years
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with the new budget
starting July 1st, 2021,
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going through December
31st, 2026, we, the Commission,
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increased the budget for
the second half of 2021,
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kind of extending the bridge
period that was in place
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for the first of 2021,
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but increasing the proposed
budget from around 170 million
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to 210 million for the second half.
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And that was in response to comments,
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primarily by contractors to ensure
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a smooth transition for
the ESA program moving
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from one program cycle and
one kind of budget to the next.
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Everything else regarding
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the budget primarily stayed the same.
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Next slide.
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Regarding the ESA Pilot
Program is the program
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that would test the feasibility
of deeper energy savings
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and try and achieve up
to 50% energy savings
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per household, setting
aside 4% of the budget,
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the overall budget over the six years.
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So about a hundred million
or a 20 million per year.
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And in response to the
comments received by the IOUs,
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we decided, the Commission
decided to delay some of
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the timelines in order
to allow more time
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for ideas to come in.
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So the first step that we
planned to start working with
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the IOUs on, is a
workshop that will be public,
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that the board and other stakeholders
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and parties will be
invited to collect ideas
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and how this program
should look in terms of
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the population trying
to reach the measures
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that we will be a part of the program,
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whether the program should be Statewide
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or run regionally or locally.
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So that workshop will
happen by October 1st.
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So Commission gave an extra 30 days
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for this workshop to happen.
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The, or the, I use to then
submit a advice letters,
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which will include
these programs, designs,
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and budgets or Commission approval
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to submit them by December 31st.
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So giving additional time
for them to submit that
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and receive their
energy division approval.
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And then in order to allow
more time for these ideas,
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as well as for contractors
to get their teams ready
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to bid on these programs
and to allow the IOUs
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to get their contracting
efforts in place,
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moving back the start of
the program from January 1st
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or by Q1 2022, to Q3 2022,
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and just allowing more
time for this new program
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and pilot to take effect.
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So no major changes to the
program other than the timeline
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to just allow an overall
more effective process.
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Next slide.
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This slide here, no major changes,
00:24:05.320 --> 00:24:09.160
but highlights what the ESA
working group will do in terms
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of providing feedback on
measuring program changes,
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progress towards program goals,
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including recommending changes
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as part of the mid-cycle update,
00:24:20.100 --> 00:24:24.520
and also reviewing the
2023 Potential Goal Study,
00:24:24.520 --> 00:24:27.533
which I'll talk about later on,
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also looking at the
cost effectiveness tests
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and how those should be considered,
00:24:33.900 --> 00:24:36.264
especially regarding the
new cost-effective guidelines.
00:24:36.264 --> 00:24:40.930
And then also the, working to develop
00:24:40.930 --> 00:24:42.610
the new systems that will be in place
00:24:42.610 --> 00:24:45.150
for customers and property owners
00:24:45.150 --> 00:24:49.230
with regards to the low-income programs
00:24:49.230 --> 00:24:52.540
and that, and the
multi-family central portal
00:24:52.540 --> 00:24:56.770
that will provide a Statewide
system for property owners
00:24:56.770 --> 00:24:59.640
and renters for the new Statewide
00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:03.083
or regional Multi-family
Whole Building program.
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And just a recap of what was approved
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in the decision for the working group.
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Next slide.
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And similarly wanted to highlight
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the new things in the decision,
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in addition to the working group
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is approved, additional workshop
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that will occur around the same time
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as the staff proposal pilot workshop.
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This workshop will be focused
on program coordination
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and bring other kind
of a wider audience,
00:25:40.360 --> 00:25:43.350
not just within ESA,
but also other programs
00:25:43.350 --> 00:25:46.050
that are targeted towards
low-income customers,
00:25:46.050 --> 00:25:49.260
or that involve clean
energy programs either
00:25:49.260 --> 00:25:54.260
within the Commission
or all, but also outside of it.
00:25:54.520 --> 00:25:59.520
And having the IOU's
then put together a report
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that summarizes the
actions from this workshop
00:26:05.756 --> 00:26:08.420
and start to implement
some of those actions
00:26:08.420 --> 00:26:12.370
in order to get greater
coordination among programs
00:26:12.370 --> 00:26:15.420
that long-term customers
will be eligible for
00:26:15.420 --> 00:26:17.403
just beyond ESA, Karen Kira.
00:26:20.070 --> 00:26:23.260
Also the, something
new that in this proceeding
00:26:23.260 --> 00:26:26.400
as part of the decision is
the two electrification pilots
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:29.810
that Southern California
Edison will be implementing.
00:26:29.810 --> 00:26:32.620
One is for existing homes
00:26:32.620 --> 00:26:35.616
that build electrification
pilot for $40 million.
00:26:35.616 --> 00:26:40.616
And then one is the $10
million pilot for new construction
00:26:41.460 --> 00:26:45.540
going to incentivize
developers to build housing
00:26:45.540 --> 00:26:50.540
for low-income families that
incorporate electrification.
00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:55.960
And then also the greater alignment
00:26:55.960 --> 00:27:00.030
between what the California
Workforce Development Board
00:27:00.030 --> 00:27:03.280
and I use are doing
regarding workforce education
00:27:03.280 --> 00:27:07.550
and training and making
sure that contractors are able
00:27:07.550 --> 00:27:12.490
to receive training and
adjust to the new programs
00:27:12.490 --> 00:27:15.233
and pilots, and components
of the ESA program.
00:27:18.177 --> 00:27:20.457
That's all.
00:27:23.300 --> 00:27:27.730
So as far as specific next
steps, as I mentioned earlier,
00:27:27.730 --> 00:27:31.040
that some of the timelines
were removed in addition
00:27:31.040 --> 00:27:34.320
to the timeline that the
IOUs have for submitting
00:27:34.320 --> 00:27:39.027
a compliance violet and this
compliance filing was extended.
00:27:39.027 --> 00:27:42.420
The deadline was
extended 45 days to 90 days
00:27:42.420 --> 00:27:44.914
after the decision, so by September 1st,
00:27:44.914 --> 00:27:49.390
the guy used to have to jointly
file a document that it was,
00:27:49.390 --> 00:27:53.620
or how the customer
segments treatment tiers
00:27:53.620 --> 00:27:55.470
and measures are going to be aligned.
00:27:56.393 --> 00:28:00.100
There was some alignment and
some differences between what
00:28:00.100 --> 00:28:02.410
the utility submitted
in their applications.
00:28:02.410 --> 00:28:06.760
And this advice letter
filing will seek to point out,
00:28:06.760 --> 00:28:09.105
where they're aligned,
where they're different,
00:28:09.105 --> 00:28:10.690
and try and achieve greater alignment,
00:28:10.690 --> 00:28:15.200
so that a customer in the
Northern part of the state,
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:19.370
that's say a medical baseline
customer and high usage can
00:28:19.370 --> 00:28:22.630
receive similar benefits to a
customer in the Southern part
00:28:22.630 --> 00:28:25.260
of the state who is
also medical baseline
00:28:25.260 --> 00:28:26.884
and then high usage.
00:28:26.884 --> 00:28:29.030
So trying to achieve greater consistency
00:28:29.030 --> 00:28:30.450
for the benefits of customers
00:28:30.450 --> 00:28:33.393
and for easy ease of implementation.
00:28:35.142 --> 00:28:37.942
I think the next step after
that would be the workshops.
00:28:40.610 --> 00:28:42.550
Yeah, the workshops
for the staff proposal,
00:28:42.550 --> 00:28:44.113
pilot and the Low-Income
00:28:44.113 --> 00:28:46.653
and the Clean Energy
Program coordination.
00:28:48.060 --> 00:28:51.070
And just a reminder
that all the documents
00:28:51.070 --> 00:28:53.630
and all the reports
that the monthly reports
00:28:53.630 --> 00:28:57.479
that the IOUs will be
submitting will be available
00:28:57.479 --> 00:28:59.210
through the service list,
00:28:59.210 --> 00:29:02.547
as well as through the
docket card for this procedure.
00:29:06.560 --> 00:29:07.393
Next slide.
00:29:10.700 --> 00:29:13.270
And actually before this next slide,
00:29:13.270 --> 00:29:14.920
just wanted to pause
if there any questions
00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:19.410
on the ESA tier, FERA
proceeding in decision
00:29:19.410 --> 00:29:21.463
or anything I presented so far.
00:29:23.780 --> 00:29:25.480
Thank you, yes, I have.
00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:26.480
Oh, go ahead, Robin.
00:29:27.850 --> 00:29:30.080
Yeah, I've just made
some notes here.
00:29:30.080 --> 00:29:31.453
On the ESA test pilot,
00:29:33.250 --> 00:29:36.050
looks like it's going to be
an expansive sort of effort.
00:29:36.910 --> 00:29:39.080
I believe that's through Edison.
00:29:39.080 --> 00:29:39.913
We're going to do it,
00:29:39.913 --> 00:29:42.733
or all the utilities
got perform that pilot.
00:29:44.152 --> 00:29:47.360
These pilots on
slide four, or slide four
00:29:47.360 --> 00:29:48.930
of the presentation that's going
00:29:48.930 --> 00:29:52.030
to be for all four utilities.
00:29:52.030 --> 00:29:54.670
Is there a distinction
between all four utilities
00:29:54.670 --> 00:29:57.350
with this pilot and what Edison is doing
00:29:57.350 --> 00:29:59.253
with their electrification pilot?
00:30:00.980 --> 00:30:02.490
There is.
00:30:02.490 --> 00:30:05.153
Yeah, because one
difference is that the pilot,
00:30:08.060 --> 00:30:12.030
the sacral of the pilot will
not just will not be exclusive
00:30:12.030 --> 00:30:12.930
to electrication measures.
00:30:12.930 --> 00:30:14.600
They can include them.
00:30:14.600 --> 00:30:19.550
But the Edison pilot will
be exclusively electrification.
00:30:19.550 --> 00:30:23.700
And we want to make
sure that if the utilities want
00:30:23.700 --> 00:30:25.731
to include electrication measures
00:30:25.731 --> 00:30:28.450
in their SOC proposal pilot,
00:30:28.450 --> 00:30:30.290
that it does not necessarily conflict
00:30:30.290 --> 00:30:33.510
with other electrification
efforts, but the focus
00:30:33.510 --> 00:30:38.080
will be on just deeper
energy savings companies.
00:30:38.080 --> 00:30:39.730
Right, right.
00:30:39.730 --> 00:30:41.800
Well, another possible deliverable
00:30:42.660 --> 00:30:45.460
on the SAE electrification pilot
00:30:45.460 --> 00:30:47.520
could be net energy metering reform
00:30:48.487 --> 00:30:50.670
because as we go across the state,
00:30:50.670 --> 00:30:53.460
we kind of do the math,
low-income communities
00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:57.760
are paying the brunt of other households
00:30:57.760 --> 00:30:59.670
that are much more well-heeled
00:30:59.670 --> 00:31:01.370
that can afford rooftop solar.
00:31:01.370 --> 00:31:04.080
So, our strategic sort of vision
00:31:04.080 --> 00:31:06.990
and connection with
utility rates are going up.
00:31:06.990 --> 00:31:09.450
That means an increased
burden to low-income households.
00:31:09.450 --> 00:31:11.725
So what we can do to
kind of even the scale
00:31:11.725 --> 00:31:13.750
probably makes some sense
00:31:13.750 --> 00:31:16.400
with the SCE electrification pilot.
00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:20.610
So clearly looking at what
the integration would be
00:31:20.610 --> 00:31:23.770
with that particular
application with low income
00:31:23.770 --> 00:31:25.620
to help reduce, like you said,
00:31:25.620 --> 00:31:27.460
obviously we're going
to get energy savings.
00:31:27.460 --> 00:31:29.850
We're clearly going to get deliverables
00:31:29.850 --> 00:31:32.090
in terms of greenhouse gas reduction,
00:31:32.090 --> 00:31:35.140
but also we're going to
see a significant reduction
00:31:35.140 --> 00:31:37.340
in energy burden to these households.
00:31:37.340 --> 00:31:39.520
So I would think that
that's the element of it
00:31:39.520 --> 00:31:43.640
that excites me to see
how they see that done,
00:31:43.640 --> 00:31:46.390
because there was a
piece of legislation this year
00:31:46.390 --> 00:31:48.280
that was going to deal
with any and reform.
00:31:48.280 --> 00:31:50.270
It did not make it out of the assembly.
00:31:50.270 --> 00:31:53.990
So like I said, I think
the ball falls back to us
00:31:53.990 --> 00:31:56.210
in terms of taking the necessary steps.
00:31:56.210 --> 00:31:59.900
It seems like this
electrification pilot might be one
00:31:59.900 --> 00:32:03.300
where we can get some
meaningful, short of data
00:32:03.300 --> 00:32:07.120
in terms of what could be done
with low-income households
00:32:07.120 --> 00:32:10.463
that simply cannot afford
photovoltaic on the routes.
00:32:11.906 --> 00:32:14.970
The other issue that I have is
00:32:14.970 --> 00:32:19.970
what question rather,
clean energy homes pilot,
00:32:20.140 --> 00:32:23.630
is that also an all-inclusive pilot
00:32:23.630 --> 00:32:26.831
as opposed to the ESA test pilot?
00:32:26.831 --> 00:32:28.873
Or are, is there a distinction there?
00:32:32.740 --> 00:32:34.407
Yeah, I guess
the difference is,
00:32:34.407 --> 00:32:39.126
the ESA stock
proposal pilot, the goal is
00:32:39.126 --> 00:32:43.740
to try and achieve up to
50% savings per household
00:32:43.740 --> 00:32:46.620
and looking at whatever
combination of measures
00:32:46.620 --> 00:32:48.700
can help that also produce the energy,
00:32:48.700 --> 00:32:53.700
the clean energy homes pilot
that Edison is running is only
00:32:54.020 --> 00:32:58.070
for new construction affordable housing.
00:32:58.070 --> 00:33:00.640
And so I think we'll
have a similar focus
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:03.600
and being comprehensive
for that household, but I think
00:33:03.600 --> 00:33:08.600
what is actually delivered
to that home may be different
00:33:08.932 --> 00:33:12.260
because it is new construction
and should already be up
00:33:12.260 --> 00:33:17.260
to code for many of the
shell and building upgrades.
00:33:17.560 --> 00:33:22.400
Yeah, apologize, that was
in the 562-page decision.
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.470
For some reason, it
just escaped my mind,
00:33:24.470 --> 00:33:25.940
given those distinctions.
00:33:25.940 --> 00:33:28.640
And the last thing I
wanted to bring up was
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:32.250
the integration, enhance the integration
00:33:32.250 --> 00:33:35.160
with workforce
development in our program.
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.520
One of the things that was
mentioned during the comments
00:33:37.520 --> 00:33:40.410
in connection with the
passing of the proceeding,
00:33:40.410 --> 00:33:42.330
I know that Cliff had
mentioned was very,
00:33:42.330 --> 00:33:45.620
very emphatic about the
need to kind of address
00:33:45.620 --> 00:33:48.060
the wage issues within our program.
00:33:48.060 --> 00:33:50.590
And so it kind of sent
a shock up my spine
00:33:50.590 --> 00:33:52.700
because frankly right now,
00:33:52.700 --> 00:33:55.520
given the fact that utilities
drill down pretty good.
00:33:55.520 --> 00:33:57.750
I mean, as they should,
as administrators,
00:33:57.750 --> 00:34:00.970
the financial bandwidth,
as it exists today,
00:34:00.970 --> 00:34:04.530
doesn't really provide
us enough latitude.
00:34:04.530 --> 00:34:08.920
However, if we can build skill sets,
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:11.270
if we can definitely through the program
00:34:11.270 --> 00:34:14.560
and enhance measures
in activities consistent
00:34:14.560 --> 00:34:17.710
with these pilots and other activities,
00:34:17.710 --> 00:34:20.370
clearly that presents an opportunity
00:34:20.370 --> 00:34:22.870
to go into disadvantaged communities,
00:34:22.870 --> 00:34:25.580
provide this training and certification.
00:34:25.580 --> 00:34:29.870
So then the employee can
work for the ESA program.
00:34:29.870 --> 00:34:34.870
Can then basically go out with
a very robust energy industry
00:34:36.080 --> 00:34:37.750
and seek meaningful employment
00:34:37.750 --> 00:34:39.660
if not eventually own
their own business,
00:34:39.660 --> 00:34:40.840
their contracting license.
00:34:40.840 --> 00:34:44.030
And so one of the things
that also kind of sent
00:34:44.030 --> 00:34:47.770
a little mini shock up my spine was
00:34:47.770 --> 00:34:50.350
the California Workforce
Development Board.
00:34:50.350 --> 00:34:52.669
I mean, I'm on the Board of
Directors of (speaks Spanish).
00:34:52.669 --> 00:34:56.050
We work with that
Statewide entity all the time,
00:34:56.050 --> 00:34:58.360
but one of the things
that we constantly struggle
00:34:58.360 --> 00:35:03.360
with is their reach and their production
00:35:03.490 --> 00:35:05.770
within some of these
disadvantaged communities
00:35:05.770 --> 00:35:07.110
that we serve.
00:35:07.110 --> 00:35:09.150
So one of the things that I think about
00:35:09.150 --> 00:35:12.180
in terms of helping that issue is
00:35:12.180 --> 00:35:14.800
the utilities have training centers.
00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:18.003
They're very sophisticated
sort of structures.
00:35:19.100 --> 00:35:22.240
They work with contractors that employ
00:35:22.240 --> 00:35:24.510
and could possibly pull,
00:35:24.510 --> 00:35:29.030
employ additional workers
within disadvantaged communities
00:35:29.030 --> 00:35:32.760
and really kind of tightening
that up and expanding it
00:35:32.760 --> 00:35:36.840
where we can in terms of
who we're already working with
00:35:37.810 --> 00:35:41.680
to maybe get a bigger
bite towards workforce
00:35:41.680 --> 00:35:44.020
and wages and skill sets.
00:35:44.020 --> 00:35:46.390
Those are some of the
things that I was thinking about.
00:35:46.390 --> 00:35:47.223
Thank you.
00:35:50.870 --> 00:35:52.300
Thank you, Robert.
00:35:52.300 --> 00:35:54.730
Commissioner, I think I
saw your hands up also.
00:35:54.730 --> 00:35:56.640
Yes, I think thanks.
00:35:56.640 --> 00:35:58.740
Thanks, yeah Robert.
00:35:58.740 --> 00:36:01.820
This is something that
Commissioner Rick Shelton
00:36:01.820 --> 00:36:06.820
and I are keenly
interested in, the decision
00:36:09.040 --> 00:36:13.990
that the sets the
platform for doing exactly
00:36:13.990 --> 00:36:15.690
what you just described.
00:36:15.690 --> 00:36:18.190
Okay, now we've got to make it happen,
00:36:18.190 --> 00:36:22.170
but beyond that are looking at
00:36:24.940 --> 00:36:29.010
what else can we do going
forward as a Commission
00:36:29.010 --> 00:36:33.423
in terms of wages
and what have you that,
00:36:34.304 --> 00:36:39.304
or fold through the IOUs
to the ESA contractors
00:36:39.670 --> 00:36:42.470
and what have you in is something
00:36:42.470 --> 00:36:45.883
that we are interested in looking at.
00:36:48.820 --> 00:36:52.440
There's always that
legal authority thing,
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:55.913
which is very important,
but suffice to say,
00:36:57.488 --> 00:37:01.160
hopefully we have
the platform to repeat,
00:37:01.160 --> 00:37:03.660
to both have platform to
do exactly what you said.
00:37:04.850 --> 00:37:09.850
Thank you for pointing
out the bandwidth,
00:37:10.038 --> 00:37:15.038
the Labor and Workforce
Development Agencies,
00:37:15.560 --> 00:37:19.460
Workforce Development
Board so much is needed,
00:37:19.460 --> 00:37:21.480
and that's something
we've got to pay attention to,
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:22.900
and then going forward,
00:37:22.900 --> 00:37:27.590
is there anything else that
we can do in terms of wages?
00:37:27.590 --> 00:37:32.320
So thank you, thank
you for your comments.
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:33.637
Back to you, Kakil.
00:37:41.080 --> 00:37:44.560
So did other board members
have questions or comments
00:37:44.560 --> 00:37:47.323
on this section before you'll continue?
00:37:51.370 --> 00:37:53.550
Right, I just had
two quick, oh, sorry.
00:37:53.550 --> 00:37:55.253
Go ahead, Maria.
00:37:56.090 --> 00:37:56.923
Sure, yeah.
00:37:56.923 --> 00:37:58.440
I was just gonna ask
00:37:58.440 --> 00:37:59.830
if you might say a few words about
00:37:59.830 --> 00:38:02.140
the Whole Building Multi-Family Programs
00:38:02.140 --> 00:38:04.690
that were approved in the decision,
00:38:04.690 --> 00:38:07.400
and I'm also, I realized those are going
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:08.510
to be launched later on,
00:38:08.510 --> 00:38:11.830
but curious also about how
we might incorporate updates
00:38:11.830 --> 00:38:15.433
on that and to LIOB
agendas moving forward.
00:38:18.260 --> 00:38:19.610
So I'm thinking about like the Northern
00:38:19.610 --> 00:38:22.153
and Southern multifamily
whole building programs.
00:38:24.750 --> 00:38:27.100
Yeah, so the multi-variable
building program,
00:38:27.100 --> 00:38:29.260
and there was some
iteration on those programs
00:38:29.260 --> 00:38:32.070
in the appendix of the
presentation as well.
00:38:32.070 --> 00:38:35.660
And there wasn't much change
with the proposed decisions.
00:38:35.660 --> 00:38:37.510
I didn't include an update here,
00:38:37.510 --> 00:38:39.580
but there are a couple of things.
00:38:39.580 --> 00:38:41.870
One is that these programs are scheduled
00:38:41.870 --> 00:38:46.580
to start January 1st, no
later, or Jennifer's 2023.
00:38:46.580 --> 00:38:49.810
And the utilities will
all provide updates
00:38:49.810 --> 00:38:53.980
on the contracting process
and kind of an update
00:38:53.980 --> 00:38:58.850
on the program design
towards the end of 2022.
00:38:58.850 --> 00:39:00.420
So about a year from now.
00:39:00.420 --> 00:39:05.420
And one way that the
public will have the chance
00:39:08.050 --> 00:39:11.259
to weigh in early, at least
the ease of working group
00:39:11.259 --> 00:39:15.050
through that is those meetings are going
00:39:15.050 --> 00:39:19.020
to start no later than January of 2022.
00:39:19.020 --> 00:39:20.400
So about six months from now.
00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:23.510
And they can start earlier and
we've had some discussions
00:39:23.510 --> 00:39:28.510
with the IOUs as to when
we can start developing
00:39:29.630 --> 00:39:31.480
the framework for that working group.
00:39:32.540 --> 00:39:35.200
And so that will be an
opportunity to discuss
00:39:35.200 --> 00:39:38.000
the multi-family whole building program,
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:39.420
the multifamily programs in general,
00:39:39.420 --> 00:39:42.848
including the ongoing in
unit and miss a camper,
00:39:42.848 --> 00:39:45.330
a common area measure programs.
00:39:45.330 --> 00:39:49.040
And also, I think it'll be possible
00:39:49.040 --> 00:39:52.800
to also provide updates to the
Low-Income Oversight Board
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.210
through these quarterly
energy division updates
00:39:55.210 --> 00:39:56.420
on the status of that.
00:39:56.420 --> 00:40:00.253
Although I think that
some of that will occur.
00:40:01.550 --> 00:40:03.010
It'll take some,
00:40:03.010 --> 00:40:05.643
there's a longer timeline
for that multiple chemicals.
00:40:08.520 --> 00:40:09.511
Thanks so much.
00:40:09.511 --> 00:40:11.810
And just to clarify, is
that those conversations
00:40:11.810 --> 00:40:14.020
will happen as part of the
overall ESA working group,
00:40:14.020 --> 00:40:16.270
or will a separate
working group established?
00:40:18.970 --> 00:40:21.810
So the decision has
two working groups,
00:40:21.810 --> 00:40:24.350
one for the studies and one for overall.
00:40:24.350 --> 00:40:27.490
And I think the way that we,
00:40:27.490 --> 00:40:31.870
the decision tried to have
it was to have separate
00:40:31.870 --> 00:40:34.760
sub-committees or it's
kind of sub working groups
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:38.340
within the main working
group to discuss, for example,
00:40:38.340 --> 00:40:40.200
multifamily wanting to discuss
00:40:40.200 --> 00:40:43.253
the universal application
system, one on cost-effectiveness.
00:40:44.224 --> 00:40:45.300
So however many are needed to make sure
00:40:45.300 --> 00:40:47.477
that all the issues are addressed.
00:40:49.260 --> 00:40:50.613
Great, thanks so much.
00:40:52.589 --> 00:40:55.967
I had two quick questions
that are more clarification,
00:40:55.967 --> 00:40:58.590
but before I just wanted to recognize
00:40:58.590 --> 00:40:59.990
and welcome Board Member Medina
00:40:59.990 --> 00:41:02.390
who joined us a little while ago.
00:41:02.390 --> 00:41:04.433
Good morning, Laura,
it's great to see you,
00:41:05.714 --> 00:41:06.820
and then could be like,
00:41:06.820 --> 00:41:07.897
if you're giving, if I missed it,
00:41:07.897 --> 00:41:09.050
but I just had two questions.
00:41:09.050 --> 00:41:11.640
One was, is there an opportunity
00:41:11.640 --> 00:41:16.070
for an LIOB member
equally qualified the way
00:41:16.070 --> 00:41:19.890
the decision lays it out to
join the ESA working group?
00:41:19.890 --> 00:41:23.680
And, well, that's, the second
question is kind of unrelated.
00:41:23.680 --> 00:41:25.330
So I should probably pause there.
00:41:28.615 --> 00:41:31.390
Yeah, we haven't had any
discussions about that yet,
00:41:31.390 --> 00:41:36.250
but I think that's that we
want to look into in terms of
00:41:36.250 --> 00:41:39.850
being able to facilitate
that and make sure
00:41:39.850 --> 00:41:43.763
that it complies with the decision.
00:41:45.340 --> 00:41:46.330
Okay, excellent.
00:41:46.330 --> 00:41:50.950
And then the news on the
pilot is really exciting and I
00:41:50.950 --> 00:41:54.260
noted the 12/31 deadline
for the program designs.
00:41:54.260 --> 00:41:55.520
And I was wondering,
00:41:55.520 --> 00:41:58.120
the board usually has
a meeting in December.
00:41:58.120 --> 00:42:00.150
Would it be possible to incorporate
00:42:00.150 --> 00:42:03.250
into the energy division
or IOU presentations
00:42:03.250 --> 00:42:07.030
just whatever framework
is available at that time
00:42:07.030 --> 00:42:10.130
so that the board could hear it
00:42:10.130 --> 00:42:12.173
and see it, and provide comments.
00:42:16.040 --> 00:42:19.423
Yeah, I think
that the timing is,
00:42:21.420 --> 00:42:23.810
in terms of the December board meeting,
00:42:23.810 --> 00:42:26.070
will be an opportunity
and that the utilities
00:42:26.070 --> 00:42:28.580
may be kind of finalizing their designs
00:42:28.580 --> 00:42:29.630
based on the workshops.
00:42:29.630 --> 00:42:32.100
I think workshop is
probably the best opportunity
00:42:32.100 --> 00:42:36.247
and we may not, energy
division may not know exactly
00:42:38.195 --> 00:42:39.950
what is being proposed until
we receive the advice letters.
00:42:39.950 --> 00:42:42.020
But yeah, I think we can try and work
00:42:42.020 --> 00:42:43.900
on incorporating some of that
00:42:43.900 --> 00:42:46.163
into the December presentation.
00:42:47.610 --> 00:42:48.810
Okay, that'd be great.
00:42:48.810 --> 00:42:50.777
That's exciting news and work,
00:42:50.777 --> 00:42:52.590
and excited to say the rollout.
00:42:52.590 --> 00:42:53.513
So appreciate it.
00:42:54.970 --> 00:42:57.870
Any other questions or comments
from members of the board?
00:43:02.370 --> 00:43:04.173
Okay, and Bill, please continue.
00:43:08.330 --> 00:43:11.350
Thank you, so you
can see the next slide
00:43:11.350 --> 00:43:14.370
is on the small municipal,
00:43:14.370 --> 00:43:18.720
small and multi-jurisdictional
utility proceeding schedule.
00:43:18.720 --> 00:43:23.720
So this is kind of a parallel
process to what occurs
00:43:23.950 --> 00:43:27.573
for the large IOUs, the four large IOUs,
00:43:27.573 --> 00:43:30.740
but this is for the six SMJ use,
00:43:30.740 --> 00:43:35.050
which are small
multi-jurisdictional of these
00:43:35.050 --> 00:43:38.240
and they're located throughout the state
00:43:38.240 --> 00:43:42.160
from the North to the Northern
side of the Eastern borders.
00:43:42.160 --> 00:43:45.840
Those six utilities are
Alpine Bear Valley Electric,
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:49.750
Liberty Pacific, or Southwest
Gas and West Coast Gas.
00:43:49.750 --> 00:43:53.560
So combination of electric
and gas utilities as well.
00:43:53.560 --> 00:43:55.150
So they submitted their applications
00:43:55.150 --> 00:44:00.033
for their ESA Medicare
programs in May of 2020.
00:44:01.270 --> 00:44:05.000
So a few months kind
of behind or lagging
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:08.590
the larger IOU proceeding comments were,
00:44:10.550 --> 00:44:13.820
or testimony was received
by two of the parties
00:44:13.820 --> 00:44:16.820
in this proceeding is a council
00:44:16.820 --> 00:44:19.150
and which is a contractor
advocacy group,
00:44:19.150 --> 00:44:22.630
as well as public
advocate's office, Cal PA.
00:44:22.630 --> 00:44:25.034
That was an earlier this year
00:44:25.034 --> 00:44:28.580
with opening our applied briefs filed
00:44:28.580 --> 00:44:31.060
by the same two parties, as well as
00:44:31.060 --> 00:44:35.660
the six small SM&G use.
00:44:35.660 --> 00:44:39.514
And we expect a
decision on this proceeding
00:44:39.514 --> 00:44:41.743
sometime in Q3 of 2021.
00:44:43.380 --> 00:44:46.890
And so the information
for the application
00:44:46.890 --> 00:44:49.320
in terms of being on the service list,
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:51.590
as well as looking at the
DACA card is available,
00:44:51.590 --> 00:44:56.590
320 to 332, to provide
information for those
00:44:57.585 --> 00:44:59.450
who are tracking this proceeding,
00:44:59.450 --> 00:45:02.050
or would like to find out
more information about it.
00:45:10.940 --> 00:45:13.720
And as you probably have
figured, Commissioner Shiroma,
00:45:13.720 --> 00:45:16.923
is the assigned Commissioner
for this proceeding.
00:45:19.850 --> 00:45:21.760
Oops, I'm sorry.
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:25.220
I could feel, I didn't
catch that, what's the last?
00:45:25.220 --> 00:45:26.053
Oh, sorry.
00:45:26.053 --> 00:45:27.500
Just pointing out that you
were the assigned Commissioner
00:45:27.500 --> 00:45:28.910
for this proceeding as well.
00:45:28.910 --> 00:45:30.913
Yes, okay, thank you.
00:45:35.637 --> 00:45:40.637
We've got to make sure
that the smaller energy utilities
00:45:41.752 --> 00:45:46.680
have have some good programs, too.
00:45:46.680 --> 00:45:48.535
Okay, thank you.
00:45:48.535 --> 00:45:50.285
All right, thank you.
00:45:51.526 --> 00:45:55.790
Oh, Mr. Chair, is this
the end of the presentation
00:45:55.790 --> 00:45:56.943
could peel or?
00:46:01.181 --> 00:46:03.700
More sections I'm pulling?
00:46:03.700 --> 00:46:06.410
Oh yeah, because I
had a question for Kakil,
00:46:06.410 --> 00:46:09.130
but if he's going to continue,
00:46:09.130 --> 00:46:11.977
please allow me to let him do that.
00:46:13.010 --> 00:46:14.510
Okay, I'll go
to the next slide,
00:46:14.510 --> 00:46:17.773
which is on the update on the
low-income needs assessment.
00:46:22.330 --> 00:46:23.520
And just to recap here,
00:46:23.520 --> 00:46:26.000
the low-income needs
assessment is done kind of
00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:27.520
on a three-year cycle.
00:46:27.520 --> 00:46:32.520
The last study for 2019 was
completed at the end of 2019.
00:46:32.560 --> 00:46:36.330
And so 2020 activities focused
on the scope of the study,
00:46:36.330 --> 00:46:41.130
as well as putting out
an RFP and selecting
00:46:41.130 --> 00:46:45.573
an implementer for this project.
00:46:46.890 --> 00:46:50.443
The update here focuses
on the draft research plan that
00:46:50.443 --> 00:46:55.360
the research team and the
contractor developed that was
00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:58.750
presented at the leanest
subcommittee meeting on March 5th
00:46:58.750 --> 00:47:02.930
and based on feedback from the board,
00:47:02.930 --> 00:47:05.293
as well as from public,
00:47:06.500 --> 00:47:09.230
those were incorporated
into the final research plan,
00:47:09.230 --> 00:47:12.020
as well as a detailed
response to comments
00:47:12.020 --> 00:47:16.470
on the Energy Division
public document area website
00:47:16.470 --> 00:47:18.783
on April 9th, 2021.
00:47:19.910 --> 00:47:23.063
So that's the recent activity,
and the next slide, please.
00:47:26.670 --> 00:47:28.180
The current activity is,
00:47:28.180 --> 00:47:30.810
and this is based some of
the feedback that was received
00:47:30.810 --> 00:47:32.150
at that meeting,
00:47:32.150 --> 00:47:35.407
as well as through some
of the comments is that
00:47:36.243 --> 00:47:40.640
the contractor is interviewing
ESA contractors and community
00:47:40.640 --> 00:47:45.640
based organizations to
provide information on the renter
00:47:47.190 --> 00:47:48.280
and landlord surveys.
00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:52.770
That will be a part of the research plan
00:47:52.770 --> 00:47:55.033
and part of the data collection phase,
00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:59.170
both to understand
how to get information
00:47:59.170 --> 00:48:02.610
from the participants of the survey
00:48:02.610 --> 00:48:06.160
that will primarily focus
on low-income renters,
00:48:06.160 --> 00:48:10.200
as well as how to reach
non-English speaking households
00:48:10.200 --> 00:48:13.750
more effectively for future studies,
00:48:13.750 --> 00:48:17.270
where there will be a
requirement to make sure
00:48:17.270 --> 00:48:21.860
that the surveys are done in languages
00:48:21.860 --> 00:48:26.523
in addition to English, starting
in 2025, as well as 2028.
00:48:27.810 --> 00:48:31.610
So the current activities
focused on developing
00:48:31.610 --> 00:48:34.020
those tools that will
be used to collect data
00:48:34.020 --> 00:48:37.274
for this current Lena,
as well as inform,
00:48:37.274 --> 00:48:40.303
and to help out with
feature Lena studies too.
00:48:41.810 --> 00:48:45.453
So that that data collection
will occur through June, 2022.
00:48:46.430 --> 00:48:49.560
And the draft report
will be presented to the,
00:48:49.560 --> 00:48:54.003
at the lav public
meeting in October, 2022,
00:48:54.900 --> 00:48:58.330
so that the research
and data collection phase
00:48:58.330 --> 00:48:59.773
will continue on for awhile.
00:49:00.750 --> 00:49:05.363
And we hope to have a lot of
good information to report out.
00:49:10.737 --> 00:49:11.737
Excellent.
00:49:14.934 --> 00:49:17.420
Okay, and then the next
slide just shows activities
00:49:17.420 --> 00:49:20.394
that have occurred
previously, as well as
00:49:20.394 --> 00:49:24.420
what will occur in for the rest of 2021,
00:49:24.420 --> 00:49:28.170
as well as when these
reports are planned
00:49:28.170 --> 00:49:30.910
to be ready and reported out in 2022.
00:49:39.980 --> 00:49:41.330
So that's it on the LINA,
00:49:41.330 --> 00:49:43.700
any questions from the board before
00:49:43.700 --> 00:49:45.703
the next sub presentation?
00:49:47.390 --> 00:49:52.390
Sure then, so the data
collection and analysis
00:49:53.350 --> 00:49:58.105
for the quarter, fourth quarter or 2021,
00:49:58.105 --> 00:50:00.410
would that be when the survey samples
00:50:00.410 --> 00:50:05.343
will be available or they when?
00:50:06.950 --> 00:50:10.220
I believe those should
be available and out
00:50:10.220 --> 00:50:13.613
for the survey participants
sometime in Q3.
00:50:14.820 --> 00:50:19.616
So I believe that kind of the pre-phase
00:50:19.616 --> 00:50:22.730
is going on currently,
and then the actual phases
00:50:22.730 --> 00:50:24.730
of finalizing the survey
and collecting that data,
00:50:24.730 --> 00:50:27.770
we'll start in by around Q3.
00:50:27.770 --> 00:50:29.030
Okay, I'd like to
mark it on here.
00:50:29.030 --> 00:50:30.830
So that way I remember about it.
00:50:30.830 --> 00:50:31.663
Thank you.
00:50:35.920 --> 00:50:38.210
Any other questions or
comments with respect
00:50:38.210 --> 00:50:40.110
to the LINA from members of the board?
00:50:44.810 --> 00:50:47.970
Okay, you can move
on to the next section.
00:50:50.980 --> 00:50:52.799
All right, thank you.
00:50:52.799 --> 00:50:53.716
Next slide.
00:50:57.730 --> 00:51:00.820
The final part of this
presentation focuses
00:51:00.820 --> 00:51:03.340
on the potential and goal study.
00:51:03.340 --> 00:51:05.458
And just to back up a little bit,
00:51:05.458 --> 00:51:10.458
we provided an update at the
December 2020 board meeting
00:51:11.230 --> 00:51:13.010
on the potential gold study
00:51:13.010 --> 00:51:15.188
that was occurring at the time.
00:51:15.188 --> 00:51:17.163
I think at that time,
00:51:18.220 --> 00:51:21.290
they were also in the analysis phase
00:51:21.290 --> 00:51:25.040
and full results had
not been available yet.
00:51:25.040 --> 00:51:28.410
And I'll get to what that
looks like in a second,
00:51:28.410 --> 00:51:32.940
but just wanted to review
what the potential goal study is.
00:51:32.940 --> 00:51:36.727
It's primarily used for
the market rate programs
00:51:36.727 --> 00:51:39.900
are the main energy
efficiency goal setting process.
00:51:39.900 --> 00:51:44.140
The potential studies is
completed over a multi-year period,
00:51:44.140 --> 00:51:47.640
and then the results of that
studies are used to set goals
00:51:47.640 --> 00:51:51.200
for kind of the non ESA
programs for efficiency,
00:51:51.200 --> 00:51:56.120
for variety of sectors,
residential, commercial, industrial,
00:51:56.120 --> 00:52:00.620
agricultural for the
investor-owned utilities
00:52:00.620 --> 00:52:01.720
throughout California.
00:52:03.959 --> 00:52:07.700
And just to recap how the
central goal study is developed,
00:52:07.700 --> 00:52:10.110
there's different
components to potential,
00:52:10.110 --> 00:52:13.080
and this is referring to
energy savings, potential,
00:52:13.080 --> 00:52:14.700
both electric and gas.
00:52:14.700 --> 00:52:17.580
You have technical
potential, economic potential,
00:52:17.580 --> 00:52:19.400
and achievable potential.
00:52:19.400 --> 00:52:20.812
And one way to think about this is,
00:52:20.812 --> 00:52:23.820
if you look at your home,
00:52:23.820 --> 00:52:26.090
maybe they're about 10 or so light bulbs
00:52:26.090 --> 00:52:30.240
that you have that are
CFLs or incandescents
00:52:30.240 --> 00:52:34.120
that are inefficient compared
to the current technology.
00:52:34.120 --> 00:52:37.440
If you replaced all of
them right away to LEDs,
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:40.170
then that would be kind
of your technical potential.
00:52:40.170 --> 00:52:42.660
But people don't typically do that
00:52:42.660 --> 00:52:47.660
because LEDs, you have
to go to the hardware store
00:52:48.190 --> 00:52:49.620
and you have to spend a lot of money
00:52:49.620 --> 00:52:54.620
on those lights initially,
so when the lights burn out,
00:52:56.120 --> 00:52:59.670
economic potential looks
at what is cost effective.
00:52:59.670 --> 00:53:04.410
So comparing the cost of
buying that led versus the benefits
00:53:04.410 --> 00:53:07.070
we receive over when you
install it and then achieve
00:53:07.070 --> 00:53:10.850
a little potential is kind
of the way that people
00:53:10.850 --> 00:53:15.820
and companies of need in
doing energy efficiency work.
00:53:15.820 --> 00:53:18.020
So they don't typically
replace everything at once,
00:53:18.020 --> 00:53:20.800
but they do it over time based
on how much money they have
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:23.370
available, or how much
capital they have available.
00:53:23.370 --> 00:53:27.082
And so if the potential is
replacing every ball at once,
00:53:27.082 --> 00:53:30.910
then achievable potential
is replacing one at a time,
00:53:30.910 --> 00:53:34.460
maybe one every year
based on when it burns out.
00:53:34.460 --> 00:53:38.490
And so a more realistic
look at what types of savings
00:53:38.490 --> 00:53:40.257
for electric and gas are out there.
00:53:40.257 --> 00:53:43.860
And so when you look
at that light bulb example
00:53:43.860 --> 00:53:46.410
and we're, or the study,
00:53:46.410 --> 00:53:49.800
you're multiplying this across
all the different end uses
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:54.610
in your household
appliances, HVAC, insulation,
00:53:54.610 --> 00:53:57.770
weatherization, and then
multiplying that across all
00:53:57.770 --> 00:54:02.770
the 10 to 15 million
households across California,
00:54:02.820 --> 00:54:04.930
as well as for the commercial sector
00:54:04.930 --> 00:54:06.290
and other sectors as well.
00:54:06.290 --> 00:54:10.700
So it's a very, very complicated
and complex undertaking,
00:54:10.700 --> 00:54:13.728
but one that is very
useful in order to determine
00:54:13.728 --> 00:54:17.070
where funding should be allocated
00:54:17.070 --> 00:54:20.838
to achieve energy-savings potential
00:54:20.838 --> 00:54:24.423
across the utilities
and across the state.
00:54:26.910 --> 00:54:27.810
Next slide please.
00:54:31.700 --> 00:54:35.300
So the objective of the 2021
Low-Income Potential Study,
00:54:35.300 --> 00:54:40.300
which was completed in,
is in draft form right now,
00:54:40.710 --> 00:54:44.500
was to develop a forecast
for these two categories,
00:54:44.500 --> 00:54:47.090
technical and achievable potential,
00:54:47.090 --> 00:54:48.640
but not the economic potential,
00:54:48.640 --> 00:54:51.610
just because that's based
on cost effectiveness.
00:54:51.610 --> 00:54:55.440
And he says, not had a
cost-effectiveness requirement
00:54:56.660 --> 00:54:59.253
or the current programs.
00:55:00.660 --> 00:55:03.360
Another objective was to
improve upon previous results
00:55:03.360 --> 00:55:07.130
that looked at the low-income sector
00:55:07.130 --> 00:55:09.320
and the energy savings potential,
00:55:09.320 --> 00:55:11.820
but didn't necessarily translate those
00:55:11.820 --> 00:55:15.960
to actual goals for the program.
00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:19.130
So the studies were completed
for low-income previously,
00:55:19.130 --> 00:55:20.373
but one of the,
00:55:22.330 --> 00:55:25.180
in terms of the third bullet
is to try and use those results
00:55:25.180 --> 00:55:29.520
to inform what the goals
are trying to better understand
00:55:29.520 --> 00:55:32.956
what the potential is
for the ESA program
00:55:32.956 --> 00:55:35.480
based on this type of rigorous analysis
00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:40.440
that it incorporates data
from throughout the state,
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:44.053
as well as historical data.
00:55:47.110 --> 00:55:47.943
Next slide.
00:55:51.750 --> 00:55:53.870
This slide provides
a little bit more detail
00:55:53.870 --> 00:55:58.870
on how the 2021 study
differed from previous studies.
00:55:59.914 --> 00:56:03.650
Previous studies looked
at more historical data,
00:56:03.650 --> 00:56:08.650
as well as budgets and
the 2019 study relied more
00:56:09.790 --> 00:56:12.770
on information from
the mean E proceeding
00:56:12.770 --> 00:56:14.260
or the market rate programs.
00:56:14.260 --> 00:56:18.960
But the 2021 study tried
to look at ESA specifically
00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:20.917
in terms of the measure list,
00:56:20.917 --> 00:56:23.419
looking at historical adoption rates
00:56:23.419 --> 00:56:26.800
or some of these measures
and measured categories
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:30.620
to come up with a
better approximation of
00:56:30.620 --> 00:56:34.300
what could be achieved
or the low-income sector,
00:56:34.300 --> 00:56:37.700
and also looking at of that number
00:56:37.700 --> 00:56:39.610
that is technical potential,
00:56:39.610 --> 00:56:41.810
and trying to translate
that to what could actually
00:56:41.810 --> 00:56:46.810
be achieved over the longer term,
00:56:47.010 --> 00:56:51.280
not trying to achieve all that.
00:56:53.550 --> 00:56:56.800
A few things that were
not in scope for that
00:56:56.800 --> 00:56:59.650
for the 2021 study
was economic potential.
00:56:59.650 --> 00:57:01.390
Based on the fact that
you said does not have
00:57:01.390 --> 00:57:03.780
a cost-effectiveness requirement,
00:57:03.780 --> 00:57:06.190
fuel substitution measures
or electrification measures
00:57:06.190 --> 00:57:07.750
was also not considered,
00:57:07.750 --> 00:57:12.360
which adds a kind of a
more complexity to the model
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:17.360
in terms of looking beyond,
the study only looked
00:57:18.090 --> 00:57:20.320
at replacing like for like measures.
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:23.070
So replacing a inefficient cast furnace
00:57:23.070 --> 00:57:24.470
with a more efficient gas furnace,
00:57:24.470 --> 00:57:27.931
but did not look at
replacing it with a heat pump,
00:57:27.931 --> 00:57:30.240
for example, Capela.
00:57:30.240 --> 00:57:32.920
Kakil, could I ask a
quick clarifying question?
00:57:32.920 --> 00:57:34.367
Sorry to interrupt.
00:57:36.400 --> 00:57:41.400
So for the 2021 study for
the technical potential were
00:57:42.120 --> 00:57:44.960
the only measures that
were explored were ones
00:57:44.960 --> 00:57:48.000
that are already approved
for the ESA program.
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:48.833
Is that right?
00:57:50.570 --> 00:57:52.170
There were some measures that,
00:57:53.816 --> 00:57:56.270
so it included current
measures that are part of
00:57:56.270 --> 00:57:59.100
the program, as well as
other measures proposed
00:57:59.100 --> 00:58:02.640
by the in their applications from 2019,
00:58:02.640 --> 00:58:05.310
as well as other measures
that were discussed
00:58:05.310 --> 00:58:07.230
through the south proposal pilot.
00:58:07.230 --> 00:58:09.117
So I tried to look at not only was it
00:58:09.117 --> 00:58:10.330
in the program currently,
00:58:10.330 --> 00:58:13.520
but what could be installed
for low-income households
00:58:13.520 --> 00:58:14.353
going forward.
00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:17.833
Thanks.
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:25.930
Another part
that is not in scope
00:58:25.930 --> 00:58:28.180
is demand response measures
since demand response
00:58:28.180 --> 00:58:33.180
has not been required or
a part of the ESA program
00:58:34.340 --> 00:58:36.250
for low-income customers.
00:58:36.250 --> 00:58:40.390
And then also new
construction built a building is
00:58:40.390 --> 00:58:41.890
what was not included as well.
00:58:44.852 --> 00:58:45.702
Okay, next slide.
00:58:49.167 --> 00:58:52.790
And so the results of
that study are available
00:58:52.790 --> 00:58:54.950
on the CPUC website.
00:58:54.950 --> 00:58:59.210
There is the result
available in a variety of ways,
00:58:59.210 --> 00:59:04.090
looking at, by end use
five different scenarios
00:59:04.090 --> 00:59:07.180
in terms of technical
potential, achievable potential,
00:59:07.180 --> 00:59:09.630
a few different scenarios
for achievable potential
00:59:09.630 --> 00:59:13.060
since that really depends
on what customers are willing
00:59:13.060 --> 00:59:16.610
to adopt, as well as
what the budgets are
00:59:16.610 --> 00:59:18.910
for the programs and what the utilities
00:59:18.910 --> 00:59:20.383
can achieve year-to-year.
00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:26.320
So, and there's both a report
for the low-income sector
00:59:27.460 --> 00:59:29.630
as well as more detailed analysis.
00:59:29.630 --> 00:59:32.860
So the low-income report is,
00:59:32.860 --> 00:59:34.100
it's kind of a good place to start
00:59:34.100 --> 00:59:37.090
to familiarize yourself with
how the study was done,
00:59:37.090 --> 00:59:39.300
as well as detailed data to really get
00:59:39.300 --> 00:59:44.300
into some of the more complex issues.
00:59:46.590 --> 00:59:51.370
And, as I said, one of the
purposes of this 2021 study
00:59:51.370 --> 00:59:53.660
was to help inform future efforts
00:59:53.660 --> 00:59:58.660
and the next P & G study,
this is done every two years.
00:59:58.950 --> 01:00:02.440
We'll likely start sometime in 2022
01:00:02.440 --> 01:00:07.222
and be available for completion in 2023,
01:00:07.222 --> 01:00:11.800
which will help potentially
set or help inform goals
01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:14.590
for not only the main three programs,
01:00:14.590 --> 01:00:17.890
but also the ESA program as
part of that mid-cycle update
01:00:17.890 --> 01:00:20.370
that will, or mid-cycle
report and update
01:00:20.370 --> 01:00:23.430
that will occur later in 2023.
01:00:23.430 --> 01:00:26.500
And so we want to
make sure that the board,
01:00:26.500 --> 01:00:28.670
as well as other parties
of the stakeholders
01:00:28.670 --> 01:00:29.873
are aware of
01:00:29.873 --> 01:00:34.873
the process for this and
including workshops, discussions
01:00:35.503 --> 01:00:40.503
that will occur over the
next two years to help design
01:00:40.860 --> 01:00:45.463
the study as well as present
results and provide feedback.
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:55.410
And so that's what I have presented
01:00:55.410 --> 01:00:58.470
on the jungle study so far,
01:00:58.470 --> 01:01:02.113
the remainder of the
presentation has additional slides,
01:01:03.320 --> 01:01:05.430
the ESA program,
01:01:05.430 --> 01:01:07.970
and proceeding in decision relating
01:01:07.970 --> 01:01:10.910
to some of the more detailed tables.
01:01:10.910 --> 01:01:12.810
So please take a look at that as well.
01:01:15.494 --> 01:01:17.210
If you want more detail
on what was approved
01:01:18.268 --> 01:01:19.101
in the final decision.
01:01:20.055 --> 01:01:23.110
And you built, we'll
start with questions
01:01:23.110 --> 01:01:25.089
or comments from members of the board.
01:01:25.089 --> 01:01:28.080
And then I know there's a
couple of public comments
01:01:28.080 --> 01:01:31.170
in queue, but we'll
start with the board,
01:01:31.170 --> 01:01:32.940
if any board members have questions
01:01:32.940 --> 01:01:34.393
or comments on this section.
01:01:35.240 --> 01:01:36.093
Oh, and yep.
01:01:38.111 --> 01:01:39.285
Okay.
01:01:39.285 --> 01:01:42.470
Yeah, I think that
this helps me certainly,
01:01:42.470 --> 01:01:46.036
and it might help the other
board members, once the decision
01:01:46.036 --> 01:01:51.036
ESA, CARE, FERA was approved,
sake of argument, 10 days ago,
01:01:51.310 --> 01:01:54.440
the utilities were ordered
to provide an advice letter
01:01:54.440 --> 01:01:58.463
no later than 90 days subsequent
to that approval, correct?
01:02:00.450 --> 01:02:01.283
Kakil?
01:02:02.160 --> 01:02:05.423
Or the compliance filing for
the measures and treatments.
01:02:06.680 --> 01:02:11.680
Yes, well, their activities,
their programs, their,
01:02:11.920 --> 01:02:15.023
what they plan to do
consistent with the decision.
01:02:17.190 --> 01:02:18.040
Yes.
01:02:18.040 --> 01:02:19.030
That's an advice,
01:02:19.030 --> 01:02:21.510
now this is where I
get a little confused.
01:02:21.510 --> 01:02:25.300
Do you get a tier one
advice letter and the tier two?
01:02:25.300 --> 01:02:29.630
So these advice letters as
filed by the utilities consistent
01:02:29.630 --> 01:02:32.930
with what we just talked
about is that a tier one advice
01:02:32.930 --> 01:02:34.203
letter, or tier two?
01:02:36.490 --> 01:02:40.570
The compliance filing to align
the treatments, the measure,
01:02:40.570 --> 01:02:41.533
and the customer segments that
01:02:41.533 --> 01:02:44.040
will be treated will be a tier two.
01:02:44.040 --> 01:02:47.240
Tier two, so does
the tier two allow for,
01:02:47.240 --> 01:02:49.820
let's say stakeholder feedback
01:02:49.820 --> 01:02:53.660
and the process that
we typically go through
01:02:53.660 --> 01:02:57.130
when it comes to, again,
01:02:57.130 --> 01:03:00.990
people pining on what
the utilities have proposed?
01:03:00.990 --> 01:03:03.793
Is that going to be open
through a tier two process?
01:03:05.640 --> 01:03:08.010
Yes, the utilities will
submit the advice letters,
01:03:08.010 --> 01:03:13.010
and then parties will have
20 days to provide comments
01:03:13.090 --> 01:03:16.160
or protests to that advice
letter, if, and they can,
01:03:16.160 --> 01:03:17.360
in those protests,
01:03:17.360 --> 01:03:21.690
they can recommend changes
or ideas that they have on what
01:03:21.690 --> 01:03:24.390
they want to see different
from what the utilities proposed.
01:03:24.390 --> 01:03:26.720
Okay, great, thank
you, that's good news.
01:03:26.720 --> 01:03:28.420
Because as my
understanding that tier one,
01:03:28.420 --> 01:03:31.760
a letter doesn't allow for
that sort of participation
01:03:31.760 --> 01:03:33.940
is strictly submitted from the utilities
01:03:33.940 --> 01:03:37.210
to the energy division for a
thumbs up or a thumbs down,
01:03:37.210 --> 01:03:38.810
is that correct on the tier one?
01:03:40.770 --> 01:03:43.950
Tier one also allows for
protests and comments,
01:03:43.950 --> 01:03:47.727
but there are some differences
in terms of what is allowed
01:03:47.727 --> 01:03:49.960
through a tier one to
tier two is considered
01:03:49.960 --> 01:03:54.255
a little more, has more
significant, I guess,
01:03:54.255 --> 01:03:57.173
interest or more policy considerations
01:03:57.173 --> 01:04:00.760
and the effective date as well.
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:02.857
Okay, and again,
I'm thinking (crosstalk).
01:04:05.240 --> 01:04:09.060
I just want to
add if thank you.
01:04:09.060 --> 01:04:13.430
And I would suggest that
the Alison hear from CPUC,
01:04:13.430 --> 01:04:15.620
that if you know stakeholders know
01:04:15.620 --> 01:04:20.090
that they're potentially going
to protest an advice letter,
01:04:20.090 --> 01:04:23.580
what that does is it
delays significantly
01:04:23.580 --> 01:04:25.950
when energy division will
be able to move forward
01:04:25.950 --> 01:04:28.350
with approving the advice
letter in these programs,
01:04:28.350 --> 01:04:31.730
ultimately, getting designed
and carrying forward.
01:04:31.730 --> 01:04:34.810
And so my suggestion would
add as a stakeholder would be
01:04:34.810 --> 01:04:38.290
that you inform the utilities upfront,
01:04:38.290 --> 01:04:43.290
what your view or how somehow engage
01:04:43.720 --> 01:04:45.620
with the utilities
upfront before they put
01:04:45.620 --> 01:04:48.490
that advice letter submitted into us.
01:04:48.490 --> 01:04:50.510
Say, your thoughts
are exactly mine.
01:04:50.510 --> 01:04:52.140
What we don't want as a protest.
01:04:52.140 --> 01:04:54.890
What we don't mind
is to stop the system,
01:04:54.890 --> 01:04:57.500
but where we can work in an inclusive
01:04:57.500 --> 01:04:58.800
and transparent manner.
01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:01.050
I mean, we should do so to come forward
01:05:01.050 --> 01:05:04.740
with the appropriate
sort of ultimate outcome,
01:05:04.740 --> 01:05:07.360
but having said that, and again,
01:05:07.360 --> 01:05:09.110
it's an opportunity for the board
01:05:09.110 --> 01:05:12.759
to kind of look through perhaps
a subcommittee process.
01:05:12.759 --> 01:05:15.700
And I know that the chairman
and I had discussed this
01:05:15.700 --> 01:05:18.430
and he'll bring in more detail it later,
01:05:18.430 --> 01:05:22.370
but we thought that would
help that outcome if perhaps
01:05:22.370 --> 01:05:24.940
the utilities would
provide presentations
01:05:24.940 --> 01:05:29.110
to the subcommittee of this board as to
01:05:29.110 --> 01:05:30.920
what would be some of the broad strokes
01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:32.120
on their advice letters.
01:05:32.120 --> 01:05:33.250
I think that that would help.
01:05:33.250 --> 01:05:35.270
That's a suggestion that I would have.
01:05:36.500 --> 01:05:40.189
The other issue is just
one of clarification, Kakil,
01:05:40.189 --> 01:05:41.720
because I know this was
brought to your attention
01:05:41.720 --> 01:05:43.740
and it was brought to mine,
01:05:43.740 --> 01:05:47.450
we have this bifurcation
in 2021 with the bridge,
01:05:47.450 --> 01:05:49.940
we have the first year of
funding that was established
01:05:49.940 --> 01:05:52.420
through the 2020 sort of lens.
01:05:52.420 --> 01:05:56.750
And then the Commission
wisely put in force
01:05:56.750 --> 01:06:01.750
the bridge funding stability
based on that same lens
01:06:03.180 --> 01:06:05.620
for the balance of 2021.
01:06:05.620 --> 01:06:08.000
So the reality is,
01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:11.080
is that for some
contractors and maybe, Pat,
01:06:11.080 --> 01:06:12.850
you could apply it on
this because I don't know
01:06:12.850 --> 01:06:14.800
if my understanding is complete,
01:06:14.800 --> 01:06:16.810
but there are a couple of issues that,
01:06:16.810 --> 01:06:19.890
that we want to seek to try to avoid.
01:06:19.890 --> 01:06:23.130
I think we can do that
based on clarification
01:06:23.130 --> 01:06:26.947
that would not stop or slow
or encumber the process.
01:06:26.947 --> 01:06:31.900
One is for funds, and I'm
reading from notes here,
01:06:31.900 --> 01:06:34.550
funds for work completed invoice,
01:06:34.550 --> 01:06:39.170
and yet not paid in
the first half of 2021.
01:06:39.170 --> 01:06:40.890
Those monies when they are paid,
01:06:40.890 --> 01:06:45.010
should come out of the
first half of the 2021 budget.
01:06:45.010 --> 01:06:49.520
In other words, we shouldn't
take those outstanding invoices
01:06:49.520 --> 01:06:54.370
and bill them against the
back half of 2021 bridge funding.
01:06:54.370 --> 01:06:55.830
Does that make sense?
01:06:55.830 --> 01:06:56.680
So in essence,
01:06:56.680 --> 01:07:01.680
the overall contractual
agreement is not reduced based
01:07:03.070 --> 01:07:05.740
on monies that had to be carried over
01:07:05.740 --> 01:07:08.490
because frankly work
was completed in June.
01:07:08.490 --> 01:07:09.522
It's built in June.
01:07:09.522 --> 01:07:12.160
Most contractors are on a 30 net 10.
01:07:12.160 --> 01:07:13.721
They don't get paid till July.
01:07:13.721 --> 01:07:15.690
So without clarification,
01:07:15.690 --> 01:07:19.180
the money's in my view
should come from the June
01:07:19.180 --> 01:07:22.770
or the first half of the 2021 contract
01:07:22.770 --> 01:07:25.143
and not so much out of the 2022.
01:07:26.130 --> 01:07:29.300
And then the second half is
that for work not completed.
01:07:29.300 --> 01:07:30.133
In other words,
01:07:30.133 --> 01:07:32.070
you could start work
depending on the job
01:07:32.070 --> 01:07:33.740
and the liberty of materials.
01:07:33.740 --> 01:07:35.110
My understanding is getting very,
01:07:35.110 --> 01:07:37.710
very competitive and tough out there,
01:07:37.710 --> 01:07:42.030
or it might extend a contractor,
stay on a particular house
01:07:42.030 --> 01:07:44.090
or houses with the same needs.
01:07:44.090 --> 01:07:46.660
So in other words,
even though the contract,
01:07:46.660 --> 01:07:49.240
the contractor works
started in the beginning of
01:07:50.210 --> 01:07:53.680
the first initial bridge year,
01:07:53.680 --> 01:07:55.550
the work would not be completed until
01:07:55.550 --> 01:07:57.520
the second half of the bridge.
01:07:57.520 --> 01:07:59.690
So again, it's another billing issue.
01:07:59.690 --> 01:08:02.030
It's another accounts receivable issue
01:08:02.030 --> 01:08:05.800
where I think that what we
don't want to see is, again,
01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:08.580
funds kind of coming
out of the program simply
01:08:08.580 --> 01:08:11.550
because we have this
bifurcated fiscal year.
01:08:11.550 --> 01:08:13.328
Does that make sense?
01:08:13.328 --> 01:08:16.020
Where, perhaps the Energy Division
01:08:16.020 --> 01:08:19.023
can provide some
clarification to the utilities?
01:08:21.870 --> 01:08:24.490
Yeah, we've had some
discussions with the utilities
01:08:24.490 --> 01:08:26.200
on that specific issue,
01:08:26.200 --> 01:08:30.630
just because of the separate budgets
01:08:30.630 --> 01:08:35.630
and when work is completed
and invoiced, and paid.
01:08:36.050 --> 01:08:40.420
And so we're looking
to get some clarification
01:08:40.420 --> 01:08:43.361
from the utility doesn't
how do you plan to treat that
01:08:43.361 --> 01:08:45.710
and to make sure that it's fair for
01:08:45.710 --> 01:08:49.220
the contractor is, and for
the budget for the (mumbles).
01:08:49.220 --> 01:08:54.050
And more importantly, the
employees, because I think that,
01:08:54.050 --> 01:08:56.160
again, if a contractor is envisioning
01:08:56.160 --> 01:08:59.250
at a reduction for the balance of 2021,
01:08:59.250 --> 01:09:02.470
they have to adjust their
payroll and you know what,
01:09:02.470 --> 01:09:03.640
we know what that means.
01:09:03.640 --> 01:09:05.010
That's not a good thing.
01:09:05.010 --> 01:09:08.440
So the whole idea
through 2021 is to stabilize,
01:09:08.440 --> 01:09:10.790
is to keep it copacetic.
01:09:10.790 --> 01:09:15.000
So again, we don't take a
step back, so again, thank you.
01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:17.850
Thank you very much, those
are my comments and questions.
01:09:20.815 --> 01:09:24.320
Thank you, Robert,
going, I think we had
01:09:24.320 --> 01:09:26.720
a couple of public
comments if I'm not mistaken?
01:09:30.890 --> 01:09:34.580
Hi, yes, we've received
some via the WebEx chat.
01:09:34.580 --> 01:09:37.980
And I also just want to let a
member of the public know
01:09:37.980 --> 01:09:40.550
that they could use the
raise hand feature at this time
01:09:40.550 --> 01:09:43.660
if they'd like to comment
on if they're on the phone
01:09:43.660 --> 01:09:45.430
to press star three.
01:09:45.430 --> 01:09:47.349
I forgot to mention that earlier,
01:09:47.349 --> 01:09:51.143
but I did have one
question for the presenter.
01:09:52.620 --> 01:09:54.640
Will the LINA seek to determine
01:09:54.640 --> 01:09:59.640
if Soma and MF CAM
landlords, sorry, lost my place.
01:10:02.740 --> 01:10:06.280
Will LINA seek to determine if
Soma and NF CAM landlords
01:10:06.280 --> 01:10:08.453
had helped get their tenants into ESA?
01:10:17.620 --> 01:10:18.453
Yes.
01:10:19.400 --> 01:10:24.050
The surveys will interview
landlords and find out
01:10:24.050 --> 01:10:29.050
what programs are,
have led to those referrals
01:10:31.280 --> 01:10:33.100
or what programs they participated in.
01:10:33.100 --> 01:10:38.100
I'm not sure if Soma
will be asked specifically,
01:10:38.420 --> 01:10:43.090
but it could be an option
for survey respondents
01:10:43.090 --> 01:10:45.673
to provide whether they have,
01:10:47.350 --> 01:10:50.123
were referred from Soma
or have interest in Soma.
01:10:54.970 --> 01:10:59.470
So I'd say for ESA CAM, the
answer is yes for some not,
01:10:59.470 --> 01:11:00.303
not clear yet.
01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:04.430
Okay, thanks Neil.
01:11:04.430 --> 01:11:06.100
Next public comment.
01:11:09.110 --> 01:11:13.930
Then there was a comment
that states, as I recall,
01:11:13.930 --> 01:11:16.530
the potential workshop
clearly stated that they did not
01:11:16.530 --> 01:11:19.519
fully apply program rules
in determining their analysis,
01:11:19.519 --> 01:11:22.853
which means any potential
savings are overstated.
01:11:24.970 --> 01:11:26.943
So I think that is just a comment.
01:11:30.470 --> 01:11:33.923
And the next comment slash question,
01:11:36.270 --> 01:11:39.240
this refers to actual
assistance beyond a referral
01:11:39.240 --> 01:11:41.210
to the East administrator.
01:11:41.210 --> 01:11:43.137
What percentage of tenants
were treated compared
01:11:43.137 --> 01:11:45.393
to appear to other rental properties?
01:11:59.910 --> 01:12:01.910
Yes, I believe
that this information,
01:12:01.910 --> 01:12:03.230
if it's relating to the lien
01:12:03.230 --> 01:12:05.883
and I believe it will be a part of the,
01:12:05.883 --> 01:12:08.133
it will be available
through the survey data.
01:12:10.980 --> 01:12:12.240
Okay, thank you.
01:12:12.240 --> 01:12:14.900
And then Jillian, you
mentioned there was one person
01:12:14.900 --> 01:12:16.050
with their hand raised.
01:12:19.150 --> 01:12:20.040
No, sorry.
01:12:20.040 --> 01:12:22.580
I was just pointed it out as an option
01:12:22.580 --> 01:12:27.580
or to use a star three for
those on the English call-in
01:12:28.230 --> 01:12:31.923
and star one with the Spanish call-in,
01:12:33.240 --> 01:12:36.690
but I don't see anyone
with their hand raised.
01:12:36.690 --> 01:12:38.650
I don't know if the host
is able to see if anyone
01:12:38.650 --> 01:12:40.880
on this phone has their hand raised.
01:12:40.880 --> 01:12:42.990
I think that would show up in a purchase
01:12:42.990 --> 01:12:46.173
as a bolt to the
participant candle as well.
01:12:47.510 --> 01:12:48.560
No hands raised.
01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:50.950
Okay.
I understand.
01:12:50.950 --> 01:12:52.010
Well, we can go to break early,
01:12:52.010 --> 01:12:54.700
but are there any other questions
or comments from members
01:12:54.700 --> 01:12:55.603
of the board?
01:12:58.090 --> 01:13:00.040
Okay, we'll move on to the break,
01:13:00.040 --> 01:13:03.830
which means we will
come back at 10:40 AM.
01:13:03.830 --> 01:13:06.017
What you thought a little
more than 15 minutes.
01:13:06.017 --> 01:13:07.433
See you all soon.
01:13:15.347 --> 01:13:16.180
Bronco.
01:13:24.602 --> 01:13:27.685
(indistinct chatter)
01:14:09.373 --> 01:14:14.373
So Chair, do you want
me to introduce Jessica
01:14:15.707 --> 01:14:17.303
for this next item?
01:14:18.230 --> 01:14:19.260
Yeah, I think that'd be great.
01:14:19.260 --> 01:14:21.900
And it looks like we have
quorum, so whenever you're ready,
01:14:21.900 --> 01:14:23.033
let's get started.
01:14:23.970 --> 01:14:25.323
Okay, all right.
01:14:27.270 --> 01:14:29.430
Okay, welcome back everyone.
01:14:29.430 --> 01:14:34.010
I have the privilege of
introducing our next presentation.
01:14:34.010 --> 01:14:38.580
As I mentioned in my
opening remarks on May 20th,
01:14:38.580 --> 01:14:43.210
the CPUC adopted
another landmark decision,
01:14:43.210 --> 01:14:48.070
this on energy efficiency, it addressed,
01:14:48.070 --> 01:14:51.590
and this addresses several
policy issues that involved
01:14:51.590 --> 01:14:55.170
reforming the energy
efficiency portfolios currently
01:14:55.170 --> 01:14:59.243
administered by the four
large investor-owned utilities.
01:15:00.510 --> 01:15:04.070
So I'm pleased to
introduce Jessica Alison,
01:15:04.070 --> 01:15:08.160
who will provide information
about those policy changes.
01:15:08.160 --> 01:15:11.310
Jessica is a Senior Regulatory Analyst
01:15:11.310 --> 01:15:13.529
from the Energy Division.
01:15:13.529 --> 01:15:17.550
I particularly wanted this presentation
01:15:17.550 --> 01:15:20.590
from Jessica for the LIOB, because
01:15:22.129 --> 01:15:27.129
I think there are
synergies to be garnered,
01:15:27.645 --> 01:15:32.063
to share information
between the programs,
01:15:33.350 --> 01:15:35.810
particularly ESA and energy efficiency.
01:15:35.810 --> 01:15:39.110
Also in the energy
efficiency proceeding,
01:15:39.110 --> 01:15:44.110
there was interest to have
ESA contractors become part
01:15:44.419 --> 01:15:49.160
of the advisory group, which
is referred to as CAEECC.
01:15:49.160 --> 01:15:50.810
That's an acronym.
01:15:50.810 --> 01:15:54.490
Jessica will tell us what
that acronym stands for.
01:15:54.490 --> 01:15:56.740
It is a very,
01:15:56.740 --> 01:16:01.740
it's an egalitarian group
insofar as interested folks
01:16:02.700 --> 01:16:04.080
who want to join that group
01:16:04.080 --> 01:16:07.000
simply apply the group decides
01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:09.030
in terms of joining in the decision,
01:16:09.030 --> 01:16:14.030
we encouraged ESA contractors
to apply and for the CAEECC
01:16:15.120 --> 01:16:18.430
to include ESA contractors.
01:16:18.430 --> 01:16:20.190
Now, anyways, with that, Jessica,
01:16:20.190 --> 01:16:22.400
thank you for taking the
time to present to the LIOB.
01:16:22.400 --> 01:16:25.630
The microphone is yours, thank you.
01:16:25.630 --> 01:16:27.900
Thank you, thank you for
the introduction, Commissioner.
01:16:27.900 --> 01:16:30.125
That was, that was
helpful for everybody.
01:16:30.125 --> 01:16:32.710
So as the Commissioner mentioned,
01:16:32.710 --> 01:16:36.100
I'm going to be discussing
the goals and policy track
01:16:36.100 --> 01:16:39.870
modification to the energy
efficiency portfolio process,
01:16:39.870 --> 01:16:44.720
which was set by decision 21-05-0-31.
01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:45.923
Next slide please.
01:16:48.750 --> 01:16:50.480
So this is just a quick overview of
01:16:50.480 --> 01:16:52.450
what we're going to be discussing today.
01:16:52.450 --> 01:16:55.070
The decision included
many important topics,
01:16:55.070 --> 01:16:56.500
but for the purposes of time,
01:16:56.500 --> 01:17:00.060
we're going to be focusing
mostly on three with our
01:17:00.060 --> 01:17:03.010
primary focus on the
total system benefit metric,
01:17:03.010 --> 01:17:05.780
which is our new energy
efficiency gold metric.
01:17:05.780 --> 01:17:09.450
And then also the port
portfolio segmentation process.
01:17:09.450 --> 01:17:11.270
And we're going to
be touching a little bit
01:17:11.270 --> 01:17:13.820
on the portfolio structure
and approval process,
01:17:13.820 --> 01:17:16.120
but only at a very high level.
01:17:16.120 --> 01:17:19.700
So before we get started on
the total system benefit metric,
01:17:19.700 --> 01:17:23.780
I just want to quickly note
that this new structure includes
01:17:23.780 --> 01:17:27.990
a four-year funding application
with an eight-year strategic
01:17:27.990 --> 01:17:30.980
business plan portion
included in that application
01:17:30.980 --> 01:17:33.740
and then a mid cycle
refresh in the second year,
01:17:33.740 --> 01:17:37.663
just to realign the
programs with the goals,
01:17:37.663 --> 01:17:40.300
the new goals decision.
01:17:40.300 --> 01:17:42.760
So with that next slide, please,
01:17:42.760 --> 01:17:46.250
and we'll discuss the new
total system benefit metric.
01:17:46.250 --> 01:17:47.150
And then one more.
01:17:49.890 --> 01:17:53.610
So the total system benefit
metric as stated in the decision
01:17:53.610 --> 01:17:56.780
is an expression in dollar
terms of the life cycle,
01:17:56.780 --> 01:18:01.240
energy capacity and GHG
benefits of an energy efficiency
01:18:01.240 --> 01:18:04.520
resource expressed on an annual basis.
01:18:04.520 --> 01:18:08.780
So what this means is that
instead of having the three
01:18:08.780 --> 01:18:11.550
energy efficiency goal metrics,
01:18:11.550 --> 01:18:14.630
which is the gigawatts
megawatts and firms, we'll be
01:18:14.630 --> 01:18:17.450
transitioning in 2024 to a single metric
01:18:17.450 --> 01:18:19.160
for the EE portfolios,
01:18:19.160 --> 01:18:21.110
which is the total
system benefit metric,
01:18:21.110 --> 01:18:23.560
which is actually a dollar expression.
01:18:23.560 --> 01:18:27.380
So rather than saying 100 megawatts,
01:18:27.380 --> 01:18:30.260
we're talking about
like a million or $1,000.
01:18:30.260 --> 01:18:32.670
So it will be an a dollar increment.
01:18:32.670 --> 01:18:37.670
And the total system benefit
is the monetary avoided costs,
01:18:37.860 --> 01:18:41.890
which are calculated by our
cost effectiveness calculator.
01:18:41.890 --> 01:18:45.500
And then this the
same calculator is used
01:18:46.350 --> 01:18:47.930
across the EE proceedings.
01:18:47.930 --> 01:18:50.810
So the avoided cost
calculator is a universal tool
01:18:50.810 --> 01:18:54.690
for Energy Division, with
the cost effectiveness tool,
01:18:54.690 --> 01:18:57.323
being specific to the
energy efficiency group.
01:18:58.280 --> 01:19:01.880
The total system benefit output
will come from the potential
01:19:01.880 --> 01:19:03.240
and goals study, which is
01:19:03.240 --> 01:19:05.690
a longstanding study
that Kakil discussed
01:19:05.690 --> 01:19:08.510
in his presentation that
has actually outfitted
01:19:08.510 --> 01:19:10.990
this metric for many years now.
01:19:10.990 --> 01:19:13.700
So even though it's a new goals metric,
01:19:13.700 --> 01:19:16.610
it has been around in
the energy efficiency world
01:19:16.610 --> 01:19:20.190
for a while, and we can
pull that output straight
01:19:20.190 --> 01:19:22.530
from the potential and goals study.
01:19:22.530 --> 01:19:26.610
So the energy forecast,
the kilowatt, kilowatt hours,
01:19:26.610 --> 01:19:30.720
and therms will still be reported
and transmitted to the CDC
01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:32.490
as they've done historically.
01:19:32.490 --> 01:19:33.810
So we'll still be able to take a look
01:19:33.810 --> 01:19:36.110
at how much actual energy we're saving,
01:19:36.110 --> 01:19:38.410
but the goal is metric
will be in this dollar value.
01:19:38.410 --> 01:19:39.840
So we have a new metric,
01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:43.223
but we're not losing
track of our old goals.
01:19:45.920 --> 01:19:47.253
Next slide please.
01:19:50.290 --> 01:19:53.938
So this wasn't a change
that we came to lightly.
01:19:53.938 --> 01:19:57.420
The rationale that's
presented in the decision
01:19:57.420 --> 01:20:01.410
for why we transitioned
from these energy savings
01:20:01.410 --> 01:20:06.410
to a dollar value is that when
the portfolios were optimized
01:20:07.050 --> 01:20:10.173
to meet the kilowatt hour,
kilowatt, and therm goals,
01:20:11.180 --> 01:20:13.370
those were focused on energy savings,
01:20:13.370 --> 01:20:16.160
but the actual value
of those energy savings
01:20:16.160 --> 01:20:19.980
in the dollars they delivered
to the grid vary wildly,
01:20:19.980 --> 01:20:23.040
depending on the time of
day the energy was saved.
01:20:23.040 --> 01:20:24.020
So for example,
01:20:24.020 --> 01:20:28.070
I think as most of us know
a unit of energy that's saved
01:20:28.070 --> 01:20:31.670
during the peak period of
like 6:00 PM, for example,
01:20:31.670 --> 01:20:35.000
will deliver a greater
dollar benefit to the grid
01:20:35.890 --> 01:20:38.640
than a unit of energy that
was saved in the middle of
01:20:38.640 --> 01:20:41.500
the day when we're
relying mostly on solar
01:20:41.500 --> 01:20:44.120
and that dollar value
while being important
01:20:44.120 --> 01:20:46.040
from a monetary perspective,
01:20:46.040 --> 01:20:50.590
also can translate to the
greater environmental benefit.
01:20:50.590 --> 01:20:53.980
So we're saving more
GHGs in the evening,
01:20:53.980 --> 01:20:55.900
during the peak period than we are
01:20:55.900 --> 01:20:58.630
when we're using our
primary solar resource
01:20:58.630 --> 01:21:00.090
during the middle of the day.
01:21:00.090 --> 01:21:02.660
So by transitioning to
this dollar framework,
01:21:02.660 --> 01:21:05.280
we're really targeting
these high value savings
01:21:05.280 --> 01:21:08.840
that both save, hopefully
the energy grid money,
01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:11.660
and also produced environmental benefits
01:21:11.660 --> 01:21:14.020
for all of California.
01:21:14.020 --> 01:21:18.330
Another key rationale for
this was that the state policy is
01:21:18.330 --> 01:21:21.370
increasingly focused
on a GHG reduction goal.
01:21:21.370 --> 01:21:24.190
So rather than thinking about
just saving kilowatts in any
01:21:24.190 --> 01:21:27.990
hour, state policy is really
focused on these GHG reductions
01:21:27.990 --> 01:21:30.660
because those have
important ramifications just
01:21:30.660 --> 01:21:32.870
for our environmental future.
01:21:32.870 --> 01:21:36.850
So this goal was not, the
GHG reduction target wasn't
01:21:36.850 --> 01:21:39.620
previously reflected in
energy efficiency goals.
01:21:39.620 --> 01:21:41.057
So by targeting the kilowatt hour,
01:21:41.057 --> 01:21:44.260
we weren't actually focused on the GHG.
01:21:44.260 --> 01:21:46.746
And that's not to say that
in our existing policies,
01:21:46.746 --> 01:21:49.380
we didn't focus on GHG reductions
01:21:49.380 --> 01:21:50.900
in other ways, like for example,
01:21:50.900 --> 01:21:52.940
the GHG value was baked
01:21:52.940 --> 01:21:55.560
into our cost
effectiveness calculations,
01:21:55.560 --> 01:21:58.410
but now by transitioning to
this new total system benefit
01:21:58.410 --> 01:22:00.160
metric, it will be more of
01:22:00.160 --> 01:22:02.470
a forefront of both
the cost effectiveness
01:22:02.470 --> 01:22:05.300
and then also our goals target.
01:22:05.300 --> 01:22:08.940
And then a third benefit to
this is while kilowatt hour,
01:22:08.940 --> 01:22:11.900
kilowatt, and therm was fuels specific,
01:22:11.900 --> 01:22:15.530
the total system benefit
metric is actually fuel agnostic.
01:22:15.530 --> 01:22:18.570
And what this means is
that we can set goals easier,
01:22:18.570 --> 01:22:21.290
both for the utilities
that have dual fields,
01:22:21.290 --> 01:22:24.580
so that offer electricity
and natural gas.
01:22:24.580 --> 01:22:27.810
And then those that
just offer natural gas.
01:22:27.810 --> 01:22:31.280
And one of the reasons this
is important is that when you're
01:22:31.280 --> 01:22:35.580
looking at fuel substitution
activities that swap on used
01:22:35.580 --> 01:22:38.851
with one fuel for an end
use with another fuel,
01:22:38.851 --> 01:22:42.010
rather than having to use
any kind of conversion factor,
01:22:42.010 --> 01:22:45.190
just to value that and
set goals for the utility
01:22:45.190 --> 01:22:48.700
that's making the switch,
we're able to just count that
01:22:48.700 --> 01:22:51.110
as just a total system benefit metrics.
01:22:51.110 --> 01:22:54.050
So for example, if
Southern California Edison
01:22:54.050 --> 01:22:59.050
was to install a heat pump
in place of a gas furnace,
01:22:59.110 --> 01:23:02.550
you could just set their goal for that
01:23:02.550 --> 01:23:04.710
using TSB rather than converting
01:23:04.710 --> 01:23:08.350
the natural gas saved
into a unit that they're able
01:23:08.350 --> 01:23:11.810
to take credit for,
which is in, is electricity.
01:23:11.810 --> 01:23:13.470
That's a little bit
complicated, but just
01:23:13.470 --> 01:23:16.280
the key point here is
that this is fuel agnostic,
01:23:16.280 --> 01:23:19.350
which facilitates fuels substitution.
01:23:19.350 --> 01:23:20.433
Next slide, please.
01:23:23.960 --> 01:23:26.620
And then the next portion
we're going to be discussing is
01:23:26.620 --> 01:23:28.580
the portfolio structure.
01:23:28.580 --> 01:23:31.459
And before we go into what the changes
01:23:31.459 --> 01:23:33.630
to this portfolio structure are,
01:23:33.630 --> 01:23:36.660
I just want to focus on what
the challenges were with the
01:23:36.660 --> 01:23:40.130
portfolio structure going
into the, before the decision.
01:23:40.130 --> 01:23:42.520
And then this is kind of an
important level setting for why
01:23:42.520 --> 01:23:43.623
the change was made.
01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:45.513
So as we all know,
01:23:45.513 --> 01:23:48.893
the energy efficiency
portfolios serve many objectives,
01:23:49.770 --> 01:23:54.040
but the savings from the
resource programs or the programs
01:23:54.040 --> 01:23:57.690
that are delivered energy
efficiency savings previously
01:23:57.690 --> 01:24:00.390
needed to justify all of the costs of
01:24:00.390 --> 01:24:03.400
the entire energy efficiency portfolio.
01:24:03.400 --> 01:24:06.260
So what that meant is
that the energy savings
01:24:06.260 --> 01:24:09.850
from the high intensity
savings program needed
01:24:09.850 --> 01:24:12.810
to basically cover all the costs of
01:24:12.810 --> 01:24:15.140
the non resource
programs or the programs
01:24:15.140 --> 01:24:16.350
that are important,
01:24:16.350 --> 01:24:18.940
but don't deliver
energy efficiency savings
01:24:18.940 --> 01:24:20.570
in order to be cost-effective.
01:24:20.570 --> 01:24:22.270
So that was kind of the balancing act
01:24:22.270 --> 01:24:24.440
that had to occur previously.
01:24:24.440 --> 01:24:27.370
And then the programs
which served important equity
01:24:27.370 --> 01:24:31.100
and market support functions
applied downward pressure
01:24:31.100 --> 01:24:33.330
on the overall portfolio
cost effectiveness.
01:24:33.330 --> 01:24:34.893
So that means that because
they weren't delivering
01:24:34.893 --> 01:24:36.690
as many energy savings,
01:24:36.690 --> 01:24:38.776
they dragged down
the cost effectiveness,
01:24:38.776 --> 01:24:43.200
and this in the past, was
able to be balanced out
01:24:43.200 --> 01:24:45.310
by highly cost-effective programs,
01:24:45.310 --> 01:24:48.640
such as the lighting that
delivered a great amount
01:24:48.640 --> 01:24:51.220
of energy savings at a pretty low cost.
01:24:51.220 --> 01:24:53.950
But a lot of those programs
have been included in code now
01:24:53.950 --> 01:24:57.230
and are no longer available
for the energy efficiency
01:24:57.230 --> 01:25:00.460
portfolio administrators
to use to support their
01:25:00.460 --> 01:25:01.539
cost-effectiveness.
01:25:01.539 --> 01:25:04.030
So therefore, we were in a dilemma
01:25:04.030 --> 01:25:06.370
where the program administrators needed
01:25:06.370 --> 01:25:09.730
to maintain the cost effective
portfolios while still trying
01:25:09.730 --> 01:25:12.950
to deliver a balanced portfolio
that met all of these other
01:25:12.950 --> 01:25:15.580
important equity and
market support functions.
01:25:15.580 --> 01:25:17.240
So that was the challenge we were facing
01:25:17.240 --> 01:25:19.090
going into the decision.
01:25:19.090 --> 01:25:20.293
Next slide, please.
01:25:23.830 --> 01:25:26.680
And this table just shows the difference
01:25:26.680 --> 01:25:28.510
between the status quo, so where we were
01:25:28.510 --> 01:25:30.110
and then where we moved to.
01:25:30.110 --> 01:25:31.022
So in the past,
01:25:31.022 --> 01:25:34.700
all of the programs were
assessed costs or sorry,
01:25:34.700 --> 01:25:36.100
assessed collectively.
01:25:36.100 --> 01:25:39.050
So there was one
total resource cost ratio
01:25:39.050 --> 01:25:40.820
for the entire portfolio.
01:25:40.820 --> 01:25:42.260
And in that paradigm,
01:25:42.260 --> 01:25:44.590
all the program benefits
needed to outweigh
01:25:44.590 --> 01:25:48.330
the program costs at a
ratio of one in the past,
01:25:48.330 --> 01:25:50.760
and then 1.25 going forward.
01:25:50.760 --> 01:25:54.423
So that was a pretty high
ratio for the full portfolio.
01:25:54.423 --> 01:25:58.160
And then the adopted change
is that rather than doing one
01:25:58.160 --> 01:25:59.700
collective assessment,
01:25:59.700 --> 01:26:02.510
we're going to be segmenting
the programs based
01:26:02.510 --> 01:26:04.240
on their primary purpose.
01:26:04.240 --> 01:26:05.670
And there'll be three buckets.
01:26:05.670 --> 01:26:07.960
There'll be the resource
acquisition bucket,
01:26:07.960 --> 01:26:09.630
which is just your kind of
01:26:09.630 --> 01:26:12.900
classic energy efficiency programs
01:26:12.900 --> 01:26:16.500
that really have a primary
focus of saving energy.
01:26:16.500 --> 01:26:18.345
And then there's the
market support programs,
01:26:18.345 --> 01:26:21.770
which have a little bit different
function than all the fine
01:26:21.770 --> 01:26:23.060
on the next slide.
01:26:23.060 --> 01:26:24.700
And then the equity programs,
01:26:24.700 --> 01:26:27.950
which are focused
primarily on customer equity,
01:26:27.950 --> 01:26:30.318
and the resource acquisition programs,
01:26:30.318 --> 01:26:33.940
the benefits must have a
one-to-one ratio to the costs,
01:26:33.940 --> 01:26:37.290
which means they have to be
cost-effective at a TRC of one
01:26:37.290 --> 01:26:38.570
while the market support
01:26:38.570 --> 01:26:43.130
and equity program budgets
must not exceed 30%.
01:26:43.130 --> 01:26:45.990
So rather than having a
cost-effectiveness ratio
01:26:45.990 --> 01:26:50.110
for these buckets where
there's just a budget cap.
01:26:50.110 --> 01:26:52.120
In addition to the quantitative metrics,
01:26:52.120 --> 01:26:54.320
which we'll discuss a
little bit later that are still
01:26:54.320 --> 01:26:57.515
in development through
the CAEECC working groups,
01:26:57.515 --> 01:27:02.029
and just an important exception
to this budget cap is that
01:27:02.029 --> 01:27:07.029
the 30% cap on the market
support and equity bucket is not
01:27:08.350 --> 01:27:10.977
applicable to the wrens,
and that's because they
01:27:10.977 --> 01:27:14.910
have a little bit different
goal setting process,
01:27:14.910 --> 01:27:18.490
and they also just have a
different mandate so that they
01:27:18.490 --> 01:27:20.777
serve a large portion
of equity customers,
01:27:20.777 --> 01:27:23.590
and that that's a big
function of their portfolios.
01:27:23.590 --> 01:27:25.830
So the 30% budget
cap might not have been
01:27:25.830 --> 01:27:27.550
as appropriate for them.
01:27:27.550 --> 01:27:28.810
So the CEECC, which is
01:27:28.810 --> 01:27:32.230
the California Energy Efficiency
Coordinating Committee,
01:27:32.230 --> 01:27:34.420
working groups will develop
01:27:34.420 --> 01:27:36.760
a quantitative assessment metrics.
01:27:36.760 --> 01:27:38.830
And that process will be discussed
01:27:38.830 --> 01:27:40.040
at the full committee meeting,
01:27:40.040 --> 01:27:41.980
which is scheduled for June 24th.
01:27:41.980 --> 01:27:45.250
And I've included a link to the
CEECC website for those that
01:27:45.250 --> 01:27:47.940
are interested in taking a look at that.
01:27:47.940 --> 01:27:49.123
Next slide, please.
01:27:52.550 --> 01:27:55.350
So these are the segment
definitions for the three parts of,
01:27:55.350 --> 01:27:59.120
the three parts of the
portfolio and the program
01:27:59.120 --> 01:28:00.990
administrators are directed the segment,
01:28:00.990 --> 01:28:04.930
their portfolios based on the
program's primary purpose.
01:28:04.930 --> 01:28:07.220
So this isn't to say that these
three buckets are mutually
01:28:07.220 --> 01:28:08.830
exclusive or anything like that.
01:28:08.830 --> 01:28:11.160
It's just that we're asking
the program administrators
01:28:11.160 --> 01:28:15.200
to focus on what the main
purpose of these programs are,
01:28:15.200 --> 01:28:17.090
even if there is some overlap.
01:28:17.090 --> 01:28:20.940
And then the primary resource
acquisition programs are
01:28:20.940 --> 01:28:24.360
programs with a primary
purpose of an a short-term ability
01:28:24.360 --> 01:28:27.822
to deliver cost effective
avoided costs benefits
01:28:27.822 --> 01:28:31.140
to the electricity and
natural gas system.
01:28:31.140 --> 01:28:32.400
And for this purpose,
01:28:32.400 --> 01:28:36.080
the short term means
for the duration of the site,
01:28:36.080 --> 01:28:39.810
the life cycle of the applications.
01:28:39.810 --> 01:28:41.270
So it's not to say they're one year,
01:28:41.270 --> 01:28:43.163
it's like four years or eight years.
01:28:44.020 --> 01:28:47.599
The market support their
programs with a primary objective
01:28:47.599 --> 01:28:51.470
of supporting the long-term
success of the energy efficiency
01:28:51.470 --> 01:28:55.600
markets by educating
customers, training contractors,
01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:57.310
building government partnerships,
01:28:57.310 --> 01:28:59.170
or moving beneficial technologies
01:28:59.170 --> 01:29:01.350
towards greater cost effectiveness.
01:29:01.350 --> 01:29:05.280
So these programs are
designed to just focus on
01:29:05.280 --> 01:29:07.800
supporting the energy
efficiency market rather than
01:29:07.800 --> 01:29:10.970
delivering energy
efficiency savings right away.
01:29:10.970 --> 01:29:12.810
And then the equity definition,
01:29:12.810 --> 01:29:16.140
our programs with a primary
purpose of providing energy
01:29:16.140 --> 01:29:19.620
efficiency to hard to reach
or underserved customers
01:29:19.620 --> 01:29:22.600
and disadvantaged communities
and advancement of the
01:29:22.600 --> 01:29:27.030
Commission's environmental
and social justice action plan,
01:29:27.030 --> 01:29:30.560
and then improving access
to energy efficiency for ESJ
01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:33.620
communities may
provide corollary benefits,
01:29:33.620 --> 01:29:35.860
such as increased comfort and safety,
01:29:35.860 --> 01:29:39.030
improved indoor air quality
and more affordable utility bill
01:29:39.030 --> 01:29:42.690
is consistent with goals two, , and five
01:29:42.690 --> 01:29:44.750
of the ESJ action plan.
01:29:44.750 --> 01:29:46.620
And just to quickly summarize
01:29:46.620 --> 01:29:49.040
what that ESJ action plan goals are.
01:29:49.040 --> 01:29:53.100
So the first one is consistently
integrate utility equity
01:29:53.100 --> 01:29:57.050
and access considerations
throughout the proceedings.
01:29:57.050 --> 01:29:59.750
The second one is increased
investment in clean energy
01:29:59.750 --> 01:30:02.350
resource for the ESJ communities,
01:30:02.350 --> 01:30:05.010
just to kind of summarize
the actual language is available
01:30:05.010 --> 01:30:06.697
on the Commission website.
01:30:06.697 --> 01:30:10.840
And then the fiscal is just
enhanced outreach and public
01:30:10.840 --> 01:30:14.123
participation opportunities
for these ESJ communities.
01:30:15.810 --> 01:30:16.943
Next slide please.
01:30:19.050 --> 01:30:21.700
So this slide does a deeper dive
01:30:21.700 --> 01:30:24.040
into the equity program specifically,
01:30:24.040 --> 01:30:26.770
just because that
might not be of interest
01:30:26.770 --> 01:30:28.950
to the Low-Income Oversight Board.
01:30:28.950 --> 01:30:31.510
So the actual
definitions and the criteria
01:30:31.510 --> 01:30:33.940
for these programs are
still under development,
01:30:33.940 --> 01:30:35.070
but just as an example,
01:30:35.070 --> 01:30:36.240
so we can kind of get a sense of
01:30:36.240 --> 01:30:38.680
what this type of program might be,
01:30:38.680 --> 01:30:42.820
I went into the PG&E's
implementation plans and pulled
01:30:42.820 --> 01:30:46.223
out a possible example of
what an equity program might be.
01:30:46.223 --> 01:30:49.740
That's not to say that this
real program that's listed here
01:30:49.740 --> 01:30:52.280
will be classified as an equity program,
01:30:52.280 --> 01:30:54.990
but it's something that I
thought might be a good example
01:30:54.990 --> 01:30:56.400
to at least consider.
01:30:56.400 --> 01:31:00.550
So the program criteria for
equity programs are distinct
01:31:00.550 --> 01:31:03.467
from the energy savings
assistant program,
01:31:03.467 --> 01:31:05.550
and that's discussed in the
decision and we're not trying
01:31:05.550 --> 01:31:08.760
to necessarily have an
overlap of these programs,
01:31:08.760 --> 01:31:10.620
even though there are similarities,
01:31:10.620 --> 01:31:14.010
the budgets will remain
separate and the ESA will continue
01:31:14.010 --> 01:31:18.180
to do its important work without
being absorbed into equity
01:31:18.180 --> 01:31:19.640
or anything like that.
01:31:19.640 --> 01:31:23.295
And the equity program
criteria is it will include the
01:31:23.295 --> 01:31:27.070
distinction between the
equity and ESA programs to be
01:31:27.070 --> 01:31:30.230
further explored in the
CEECC working group.
01:31:30.230 --> 01:31:31.560
So an example,
01:31:31.560 --> 01:31:35.010
possible example of a
potential equity program might
01:31:35.010 --> 01:31:39.530
be PG&E's direct install for
manufactured and mobile homes.
01:31:39.530 --> 01:31:44.000
This program historically
has a rather low TRC of 0.37.
01:31:44.000 --> 01:31:45.590
And in an implementation plan,
01:31:45.590 --> 01:31:48.590
you see that it has a focus
on serving moderate income
01:31:48.590 --> 01:31:50.300
residential customers.
01:31:50.300 --> 01:31:52.943
So these are our customers
who may be on a fixed income or a
01:31:52.943 --> 01:31:57.290
moderate income that may
not qualify for the ESA program,
01:31:57.290 --> 01:31:58.400
but while they're focused
01:31:58.400 --> 01:32:01.040
on targeting moderate income customers,
01:32:01.040 --> 01:32:05.460
they're also delivering
measurable energy efficiency,
01:32:05.460 --> 01:32:07.220
direct savings to the grid.
01:32:07.220 --> 01:32:08.680
So they still want to procure
01:32:08.680 --> 01:32:10.460
those energy efficiency savings.
01:32:10.460 --> 01:32:12.003
And on top of those considerations,
01:32:12.003 --> 01:32:15.450
they're also targeting
non-English speaking customers.
01:32:15.450 --> 01:32:18.350
So these customers
may be a little harder
01:32:18.350 --> 01:32:21.240
to reach due to the
language differences,
01:32:21.240 --> 01:32:23.840
and that may account
for higher program costs,
01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:26.395
which could lead to the lower TRC.
01:32:26.395 --> 01:32:29.700
So this is currently defined
as a resource program,
01:32:29.700 --> 01:32:33.180
but because it serves hard to
reach middle income customers,
01:32:33.180 --> 01:32:36.650
it suggests that equity may
be a primary focus of including
01:32:36.650 --> 01:32:38.870
it in the portfolio rather than just
01:32:38.870 --> 01:32:41.240
the avoided cost benefits.
01:32:41.240 --> 01:32:42.353
Next slide, please.
01:32:45.660 --> 01:32:48.850
So the segmentation or
the timeline for segmenting
01:32:48.850 --> 01:32:52.255
the portfolios is listed
here, in June of 2021,
01:32:52.255 --> 01:32:55.950
CAEECC will meet to discuss
the segmentation criteria that's
01:32:55.950 --> 01:33:00.570
happening on the 24th, and
they will propose more granule,
01:33:00.570 --> 01:33:03.360
granular segment
definitions and criteria.
01:33:03.360 --> 01:33:06.250
And this is a opportunity for
stakeholders to take a look at
01:33:06.250 --> 01:33:09.750
the first possible program
segmentation criteria,
01:33:09.750 --> 01:33:12.025
then coming in September of 2021,
01:33:12.025 --> 01:33:16.246
we'll see inform informational
segmentation for the 2022
01:33:16.246 --> 01:33:18.580
and 2023 ABALS.
01:33:18.580 --> 01:33:21.570
So that means that for the
annual budget advice letters
01:33:21.570 --> 01:33:25.990
for those years, we will see
segmentation in the portfolios,
01:33:25.990 --> 01:33:27.810
but that segmentation may not be
01:33:27.810 --> 01:33:30.204
the final segmentation policies.
01:33:30.204 --> 01:33:33.640
It won't be a criteria for
approval of the ABALs,
01:33:33.640 --> 01:33:37.410
which means that energy
efficiency staff won't go through
01:33:37.410 --> 01:33:38.810
all of those segmentation
01:33:38.810 --> 01:33:41.050
and just see if we agree with it.
01:33:41.050 --> 01:33:42.390
It's really just an opportunity
01:33:42.390 --> 01:33:44.090
for the program administrators
01:33:44.090 --> 01:33:46.610
to do their first segmentation plan.
01:33:46.610 --> 01:33:47.790
And there won't be a segment.
01:33:47.790 --> 01:33:49.560
There won't be an
assessment of reasonableness
01:33:49.560 --> 01:33:50.910
at this point,
01:33:50.910 --> 01:33:55.030
just because those definitions
are still being hammered out,
01:33:55.030 --> 01:33:58.521
but then come February of 2022,
01:33:58.521 --> 01:34:02.750
the PAs will propose
segmentation strategies
01:34:02.750 --> 01:34:04.590
for their 2024 applications.
01:34:04.590 --> 01:34:06.567
So in this is the place
where the reasonable is,
01:34:06.567 --> 01:34:09.840
and this will be assessed
in the application process.
01:34:09.840 --> 01:34:12.440
And the program administrators
are encouraged to work with
01:34:12.440 --> 01:34:14.050
the CAEECC working group,
01:34:14.050 --> 01:34:19.050
especially in instances where
they're not sure what program
01:34:19.500 --> 01:34:20.860
should be classified as.
01:34:20.860 --> 01:34:23.716
So if there's doubt as to
the objectives of the program,
01:34:23.716 --> 01:34:26.500
they're especially encouraged
to work with CAEECC,
01:34:26.500 --> 01:34:29.020
and then a CPUC decision will approve
01:34:29.020 --> 01:34:30.860
the final segmentation scenarios.
01:34:30.860 --> 01:34:32.649
So this will be a chance
for everyone to weigh in
01:34:32.649 --> 01:34:36.693
and take a look at
those, next slide, please.
01:34:40.850 --> 01:34:43.860
And that wraps up the
bulk of my presentation.
01:34:43.860 --> 01:34:48.090
I have the three main topics
here just as a summary,
01:34:48.090 --> 01:34:50.650
and I'd be happy to take
any questions that you have
01:34:50.650 --> 01:34:53.053
on the presentation or
the decision generally.
01:34:57.040 --> 01:34:57.873
Thank you, Jessica.
01:34:57.873 --> 01:34:59.580
That was very good presentation
01:34:59.580 --> 01:35:00.910
and actually quite an education.
01:35:00.910 --> 01:35:03.990
I didn't know a lot of that
material they went through.
01:35:03.990 --> 01:35:08.300
I thought Board Member
Castenada, do you have a question?
01:35:08.300 --> 01:35:09.603
Yeah, just one question.
01:35:10.763 --> 01:35:14.920
The cost benefit, excuse me,
I'm watching my nephew here.
01:35:19.290 --> 01:35:23.253
My brother's kid, so right.
01:35:24.470 --> 01:35:29.470
Cost-effectiveness at
1.0 for act for this program,
01:35:29.790 --> 01:35:34.790
as opposed to the decision
on ESA that's 0.07 or 0.7.
01:35:36.790 --> 01:35:39.940
So how do you see that kind of working?
01:35:39.940 --> 01:35:42.862
I mean, is that important to both
01:35:42.862 --> 01:35:47.862
the cost effectiveness with
either programmatic effort
01:35:48.580 --> 01:35:53.260
be the same, or let's say
because yours has a provision
01:35:53.260 --> 01:35:56.740
for equity for missing
some of the low income.
01:35:56.740 --> 01:35:59.223
The other thing I love that by the way,
01:35:59.223 --> 01:36:01.200
to be defined by your group,
01:36:01.200 --> 01:36:04.660
I think the Commissioner's
comments about adding use of
01:36:04.660 --> 01:36:08.770
contractors is going to
help this effort tremendously.
01:36:08.770 --> 01:36:10.790
Many of these folks have
been with this program
01:36:10.790 --> 01:36:14.450
for over 20 years and
they get it soup to nuts,
01:36:14.450 --> 01:36:15.550
much more than I do.
01:36:15.550 --> 01:36:20.550
But the other issue is with
the, equity and the expansion,
01:36:22.950 --> 01:36:26.520
because you had brought
up a sort of a model
01:36:26.520 --> 01:36:28.114
with PG&E and mobiles,
01:36:28.114 --> 01:36:30.120
and I think you're 100% percent correct,
01:36:30.120 --> 01:36:35.120
if I heard it correctly, that
is they might not necessarily
01:36:35.560 --> 01:36:39.720
be eligible for ESA by
every practical standard
01:36:39.720 --> 01:36:40.590
in California,
01:36:40.590 --> 01:36:43.360
they're low-income
given cost of counseling.
01:36:43.360 --> 01:36:46.440
And that's why they are
where they are in that type
01:36:46.440 --> 01:36:48.590
of housing stock, number one and B,
01:36:48.590 --> 01:36:50.640
where they're typically located.
01:36:50.640 --> 01:36:52.090
So they would be eligible.
01:36:52.090 --> 01:36:54.990
So there's kind of almost in my view,
01:36:54.990 --> 01:36:58.915
an expansion of eligibility
with your program that
01:36:58.915 --> 01:37:03.915
may not meet the traditional
200% federal poverty guideline
01:37:04.390 --> 01:37:08.050
at ESA, but would
definitely address the needs
01:37:08.050 --> 01:37:12.580
of low-income people based
on the dynamics of your program.
01:37:12.580 --> 01:37:14.670
So again, I guess where I'm falling
01:37:14.670 --> 01:37:18.003
is this sort of
cost-effectiveness differential.
01:37:19.142 --> 01:37:21.020
Can you speak to that for a sec?
01:37:21.020 --> 01:37:22.790
Sure, so, I mean,
01:37:22.790 --> 01:37:25.880
I think the first piece
of the cost-effectiveness
01:37:25.880 --> 01:37:29.470
this differential is that
because the 1.0 is applying
01:37:29.470 --> 01:37:32.330
just to the resource
acquisition programs,
01:37:32.330 --> 01:37:35.130
it's not really touching
this equity bucket.
01:37:35.130 --> 01:37:38.340
So essentially the equity category
01:37:38.340 --> 01:37:42.310
for the normal just main rate programs
01:37:42.310 --> 01:37:45.020
doesn't have a
cost-effectiveness minimum,
01:37:45.020 --> 01:37:47.420
as long as it's included under that cap,
01:37:47.420 --> 01:37:49.730
it's okay if the programs
aren't cost-effective.
01:37:49.730 --> 01:37:51.870
So I think they're pretty
separate in that sense
01:37:51.870 --> 01:37:54.510
that we want our programs
that are really focused
01:37:54.510 --> 01:37:57.200
on just savings to be cost-effectiveness
01:37:57.200 --> 01:37:58.820
because there aren't any barriers
01:37:58.820 --> 01:38:02.126
that should prevent that,
but for the equity programs,
01:38:02.126 --> 01:38:04.920
there's a little bit
more flexibility there.
01:38:04.920 --> 01:38:08.890
So, I mean, I think it
maybe makes sense for ESA
01:38:08.890 --> 01:38:11.130
to set the cost effectiveness
01:38:11.130 --> 01:38:13.840
where it's appropriate
for those programs
01:38:13.840 --> 01:38:16.630
without maybe direct consideration of
01:38:16.630 --> 01:38:18.440
what the cost effectiveness score is
01:38:18.440 --> 01:38:20.210
for the like rate programs,
01:38:20.210 --> 01:38:23.900
just the general EE, I hope that helps.
01:38:23.900 --> 01:38:26.380
And then, yeah.
01:38:26.380 --> 01:38:27.987
Yeah, that's I think that's the main,
01:38:27.987 --> 01:38:30.287
was there a second
part of your question?
01:38:30.287 --> 01:38:32.730
Well, no, I think you answered
it with your explanation,
01:38:32.730 --> 01:38:35.290
which is through your program approach,
01:38:35.290 --> 01:38:39.670
you created sort of latitude,
right, through the equity
01:38:39.670 --> 01:38:43.260
provision to address some of
the concerns that maybe I had.
01:38:43.260 --> 01:38:46.300
So I think it's a perfect,
it's just the perfect solution.
01:38:46.300 --> 01:38:48.150
Thank you for this.
01:38:48.150 --> 01:38:49.183
Great, no problem.
01:38:50.857 --> 01:38:52.570
And Robert and everybody,
01:38:52.570 --> 01:38:57.570
I simply amplify that under an ESA.
01:39:00.140 --> 01:39:04.670
It's qualified in the length.
01:39:04.670 --> 01:39:09.670
Qualified we've grappled
with the attribute of that
01:39:11.340 --> 01:39:15.973
and with the new CARE/ESA/FERA decision.
01:39:17.103 --> 01:39:18.520
And we're looking at the noodle,
01:39:18.520 --> 01:39:23.170
the whole house treatment
results of the wildfire zone
01:39:24.230 --> 01:39:26.850
and in the health, safety, and comfort
01:39:26.850 --> 01:39:28.970
in terms of hardening a house.
01:39:28.970 --> 01:39:31.523
And the energy efficiency program,
01:39:33.080 --> 01:39:36.830
you could have a renter who's low-income
01:39:37.680 --> 01:39:42.333
that low-income renting
a group of customers
01:39:43.290 --> 01:39:46.823
that can be targeted
for the energy efficiency.
01:39:48.269 --> 01:39:52.760
And it is a big deal to
go from cost effectiveness
01:39:52.760 --> 01:39:57.420
across the board to these
three fins of activities.
01:39:57.420 --> 01:39:59.653
And that's why we're the IOU.
01:40:00.540 --> 01:40:04.580
There is this cap of 30% for the Rens,
01:40:04.580 --> 01:40:08.199
which are the local
governments on, there's no
01:40:08.199 --> 01:40:11.890
eventual cap on that
particular bend of activity.
01:40:11.890 --> 01:40:14.920
So now hopefully we
help fill in the gap here
01:40:17.173 --> 01:40:20.210
on reducing and boiling
on a day like today.
01:40:20.210 --> 01:40:23.641
And there's a flush
from five to 10:00 PM.
01:40:23.641 --> 01:40:25.550
Oh, okay.
01:40:25.550 --> 01:40:29.373
These efforts become
more and more important.
01:40:30.290 --> 01:40:34.597
I'll stop there, back to you
a chair and Jessica's okay.
01:40:36.745 --> 01:40:37.578
I think Jessica, and
then board members,
01:40:40.110 --> 01:40:44.153
Kimberly Medina and
very popular presentation.
01:40:46.410 --> 01:40:48.540
Yeah, no, thank you, Jessica.
01:40:48.540 --> 01:40:51.710
It was very enlightening and helpful.
01:40:51.710 --> 01:40:53.420
I just had a quick question around
01:40:53.420 --> 01:40:58.420
the, what you had mentioned
about a program being distinct,
01:40:58.940 --> 01:41:03.780
a distinct, sorry, figuring
out if a program falls
01:41:03.780 --> 01:41:08.250
under the equity or the
resource acquisition buckets.
01:41:08.250 --> 01:41:11.870
Did I hear correctly that a
program needs to be an either
01:41:11.870 --> 01:41:14.780
or that the program can't sit in both
01:41:14.780 --> 01:41:16.500
and are those the details that are going
01:41:16.500 --> 01:41:18.900
to be worked out in the
CAEECC working sessions?
01:41:20.270 --> 01:41:23.780
So I think the distinction
will be worked out further
01:41:23.780 --> 01:41:26.840
in CAEECC and just how to sort that out,
01:41:26.840 --> 01:41:29.680
but because the funding
streams are different
01:41:29.680 --> 01:41:32.120
for like the general energy efficiency
01:41:32.120 --> 01:41:35.790
versus ESA, ESA has
its own specific budget.
01:41:35.790 --> 01:41:39.010
My understanding is that if a
program is inequity and funded
01:41:39.010 --> 01:41:43.830
through this just regular
energy efficiency budget,
01:41:43.830 --> 01:41:46.180
it won't also be an ESA program.
01:41:46.180 --> 01:41:49.130
So I think that they are
separate in that sense.
01:41:49.130 --> 01:41:51.883
I mean, in terms of how
they're implemented,
01:41:52.726 --> 01:41:55.630
CAEECC will work out
like practically speaking
01:41:55.630 --> 01:41:58.160
from a customer
perspective, how that works,
01:41:58.160 --> 01:42:00.620
but from a funding and
approval perspective,
01:42:00.620 --> 01:42:02.193
they will be separate, yes.
01:42:03.145 --> 01:42:04.220
Well, just to clarify, sorry.
01:42:04.220 --> 01:42:07.649
I meant using the PG&E
example that you provided,
01:42:07.649 --> 01:42:10.610
that program would
need to make a decision,
01:42:10.610 --> 01:42:13.410
whether it falls within
the resource acquisition
01:42:13.410 --> 01:42:16.470
or equity right within this.
01:42:16.470 --> 01:42:17.950
I believe so, yes.
01:42:17.950 --> 01:42:19.400
It can't be in both.
01:42:20.260 --> 01:42:21.140
That's correct.
01:42:21.140 --> 01:42:22.290
All right, thank you.
01:42:25.220 --> 01:42:27.150
Board Member Wembley.
01:42:27.150 --> 01:42:28.770
Right.
01:42:28.770 --> 01:42:30.570
Jessica, that was a great presentation.
01:42:30.570 --> 01:42:32.620
And my question kind of ties
01:42:32.620 --> 01:42:36.420
to what Bob had asked earlier regarding,
01:42:36.420 --> 01:42:38.920
I know that I'm clear that the,
01:42:38.920 --> 01:42:40.210
but the equity programs don't have
01:42:40.210 --> 01:42:41.730
this cost effectiveness standard,
01:42:41.730 --> 01:42:44.843
but they're guided
by this budget control,
01:42:44.843 --> 01:42:48.307
which is 30% in the PG&E's example,
01:42:48.307 --> 01:42:50.237
I mean, what is the scale of what budget
01:42:50.237 --> 01:42:52.891
and just trying to get an idea of scale
01:42:52.891 --> 01:42:56.193
in terms of what that
30% would equate to.
01:42:58.560 --> 01:43:03.260
I'm trying to remember what
the overall P&E budget was.
01:43:03.260 --> 01:43:05.440
And I honestly, I don't
remember exactly off
01:43:05.440 --> 01:43:07.250
the top of my head, but for example,
01:43:07.250 --> 01:43:11.400
so say if the PG&E
budget was $700 million,
01:43:11.400 --> 01:43:15.430
the equity and market support
budget combined would be 30%
01:43:15.430 --> 01:43:19.150
of that and determining, oh,
01:43:19.150 --> 01:43:21.030
so actually Alison just messaged me.
01:43:21.030 --> 01:43:24.240
And she said that it would
be about 150 million annually
01:43:24.240 --> 01:43:26.960
for the combined, yeah.
01:43:26.960 --> 01:43:27.913
Okay, thank you.
01:43:31.430 --> 01:43:33.030
Thank you, Alison, by the way.
01:43:34.740 --> 01:43:35.743
Vice-Chair Dennis.
01:43:37.050 --> 01:43:38.780
Thank you for
this presentation.
01:43:38.780 --> 01:43:41.790
And this is a welcome change to the,
01:43:41.790 --> 01:43:44.080
how the efficiency
portfolio is governed.
01:43:44.080 --> 01:43:46.963
So really appreciate all
the work that went into this.
01:43:47.810 --> 01:43:50.470
My question is, well,
I have two questions.
01:43:50.470 --> 01:43:55.470
One is for the equity portion
of the efficiency program,
01:43:56.620 --> 01:44:00.140
will health and safety
be considered eligible
01:44:00.140 --> 01:44:02.150
for some of the funding
for those programs?
01:44:02.150 --> 01:44:04.220
I'm just thinking about
like the barriers report
01:44:04.220 --> 01:44:07.260
from that was published
several years ago,
01:44:07.260 --> 01:44:10.330
saying that health and
safety issues in housing
01:44:10.330 --> 01:44:12.230
is one of the key
barriers to implementing
01:44:12.230 --> 01:44:13.656
efficiency measures.
01:44:13.656 --> 01:44:15.613
So just curious about that.
01:44:16.530 --> 01:44:19.670
So I think the
details are actually,
01:44:19.670 --> 01:44:21.663
did I hear Alison jump in there?
01:44:25.870 --> 01:44:26.983
No, okay.
01:44:26.983 --> 01:44:30.020
I think the details of that
still are in development.
01:44:30.020 --> 01:44:33.130
So I don't want to say
definitively one way or another,
01:44:33.130 --> 01:44:34.758
but if you look at the decision,
01:44:34.758 --> 01:44:37.260
the definition for equity does
01:44:37.260 --> 01:44:39.430
include like corollary benefits
01:44:39.430 --> 01:44:42.420
such as like indoor air
quality, comfort, and safety.
01:44:42.420 --> 01:44:45.170
So my understanding is that those types
01:44:45.170 --> 01:44:48.510
of considerations are on the
table for the equity programs.
01:44:48.510 --> 01:44:50.100
Exactly how that will look though,
01:44:50.100 --> 01:44:51.973
I believe is still being worked out.
01:44:53.880 --> 01:44:55.540
Great, and then I
think that just answered
01:44:55.540 --> 01:44:56.373
my second question,
01:44:56.373 --> 01:45:00.120
but just in case I was curious
how equity is being defined
01:45:00.120 --> 01:45:04.030
or if there were going to be
any more guidance on yeah.
01:45:04.030 --> 01:45:06.820
What makes up an equity
program like whether it's like
01:45:06.820 --> 01:45:10.203
geographic or demographic
or other elements?
01:45:11.120 --> 01:45:14.789
Yeah, so the, does the
definition that I presented
01:45:14.789 --> 01:45:17.910
on a previous slide is what was included
01:45:17.910 --> 01:45:20.890
in this most recent
decision, but there is,
01:45:20.890 --> 01:45:23.134
there will be more
granularity about like
01:45:23.134 --> 01:45:26.560
what an equity program
that looks like, including like,
01:45:26.560 --> 01:45:29.570
if it's specifically
disadvantaged or how that works.
01:45:29.570 --> 01:45:30.850
And we are,
01:45:30.850 --> 01:45:33.930
the decision has left
the initial segmentation
01:45:33.930 --> 01:45:36.334
to the program
administrators and CAEECC.
01:45:36.334 --> 01:45:38.170
So I think the process will
be that they'll look at what
01:45:38.170 --> 01:45:40.630
those programs are and
then they'll create guidance,
01:45:40.630 --> 01:45:43.440
switch the decision, coming out for
01:45:43.440 --> 01:45:47.650
the application approvals
will further approve
01:45:47.650 --> 01:45:50.500
or alter as needed, but they're going
01:45:50.500 --> 01:45:51.870
to take the first pass at it.
01:45:51.870 --> 01:45:54.253
And then more granularity
is coming, I believe.
01:45:56.020 --> 01:45:57.620
Thanks so much.
01:45:57.620 --> 01:45:58.453
No problem.
01:46:01.250 --> 01:46:02.083
Board Member Medina,
01:46:02.083 --> 01:46:04.870
I think you had a question pulled up.
01:46:04.870 --> 01:46:06.190
A question?
01:46:06.190 --> 01:46:08.330
I'm excited you guys are
excited that it looks like
01:46:08.330 --> 01:46:10.308
it's a good presentation.
01:46:10.308 --> 01:46:12.750
You're not, I don't understand nothing.
01:46:12.750 --> 01:46:14.307
So going by the slides going,
01:46:14.307 --> 01:46:17.520
these are the questions
I came up with, after
01:46:17.520 --> 01:46:20.070
I think that we have this
opportunity to share with public
01:46:20.070 --> 01:46:23.760
and not all the public has
the office jargon practice.
01:46:23.760 --> 01:46:25.800
And you guys talking
about all of this stuff.
01:46:25.800 --> 01:46:29.910
So I'm like, I'm afraid
that I'm upset that I'm lost.
01:46:29.910 --> 01:46:33.521
So on your one that
says rationale of change,
01:46:33.521 --> 01:46:37.560
I wrote down, will these,
the kilowatts and all that,
01:46:37.560 --> 01:46:41.330
but would this also
equate to solar value cells
01:46:42.886 --> 01:46:44.280
to income to other states?
01:46:44.280 --> 01:46:48.637
I just heard an NPR report
that when we were in last year,
01:46:48.637 --> 01:46:51.739
the rollout blackouts
will affect things.
01:46:51.739 --> 01:46:54.230
We didn't have enough
energy here to give out
01:46:54.230 --> 01:46:55.703
'cause we were selling
it to another state.
01:46:55.703 --> 01:46:57.553
Does this factor into that?
01:46:58.700 --> 01:47:03.700
So the solar program does
use the avoided cost calculator
01:47:04.810 --> 01:47:06.600
to do their assessments.
01:47:06.600 --> 01:47:10.559
So it's related in that we use
similar assessment structures
01:47:10.559 --> 01:47:15.559
and then the avoided costs of
an energy efficiency program
01:47:16.060 --> 01:47:18.430
does include generation costs,
01:47:18.430 --> 01:47:21.950
which in the hours
where solar is active,
01:47:21.950 --> 01:47:25.280
that it would be factored into
the avoided cost calculator.
01:47:25.280 --> 01:47:28.650
It's a little bit complicated
just how that happens.
01:47:28.650 --> 01:47:31.360
But the awarded house
calculator process does include like
01:47:31.360 --> 01:47:34.650
an assessment of how the
energy in that hour is generated.
01:47:34.650 --> 01:47:38.050
So whether it's solar
or if it's like a geothermal
01:47:38.050 --> 01:47:41.010
or like a terroir, like a turbine,
01:47:41.010 --> 01:47:44.340
all those things are
considered in valuing the energy,
01:47:44.340 --> 01:47:45.383
if that makes sense?
01:47:46.280 --> 01:47:47.820
Okay.
01:47:47.820 --> 01:47:52.203
And the other question I
wrote down about the budgets,
01:47:53.950 --> 01:47:58.950
so how in layman's term as
possible, as simple as possible,
01:48:00.870 --> 01:48:05.870
how does this impact
or benefit our customers,
01:48:06.740 --> 01:48:10.490
our CARE constituents and CARE and FERA
01:48:10.490 --> 01:48:13.160
and baseline, medical baseline,
01:48:13.160 --> 01:48:16.260
or even customers
who are on solar panels,
01:48:16.260 --> 01:48:18.610
paying them, how does this,
01:48:18.610 --> 01:48:21.490
or is this just like how you
guys do math in the bank?
01:48:21.490 --> 01:48:23.159
What is this I'm lost?
01:48:23.159 --> 01:48:24.559
Like I said, please clarity.
01:48:25.550 --> 01:48:30.230
So I think it does have a
direct impact on the customers.
01:48:30.230 --> 01:48:32.830
And I think I'll pass it
over to Alison in a second,
01:48:32.830 --> 01:48:35.375
just because she may have
a really good perspective,
01:48:35.375 --> 01:48:37.240
but I mean, one of the main benefits
01:48:37.240 --> 01:48:40.100
that I see towards this is
that we're essentially reserving
01:48:40.100 --> 01:48:43.710
a part of the budget
for these equity activities
01:48:43.710 --> 01:48:46.330
that might have otherwise
just gotten absorbed
01:48:46.330 --> 01:48:48.050
by the cost effectiveness requirements.
01:48:48.050 --> 01:48:49.720
So as it became harder and harder
01:48:49.720 --> 01:48:51.940
to develop cost-effective portfolios,
01:48:51.940 --> 01:48:53.440
we were going to, in my opinion,
01:48:53.440 --> 01:48:54.710
start seeing a greater shift
01:48:54.710 --> 01:48:57.540
towards really high
value savings programs,
01:48:57.540 --> 01:48:59.760
which equity programs don't always have.
01:48:59.760 --> 01:49:02.970
So it's basically protecting
that portion of the budget.
01:49:02.970 --> 01:49:05.300
And I think that that really
will benefit customers,
01:49:05.300 --> 01:49:07.430
but I think I'm going
to pass it to Alison too,
01:49:07.430 --> 01:49:10.080
just to see if she has an
additional thought on that.
01:49:16.570 --> 01:49:18.220
Alison, I think you may be muted.
01:49:24.663 --> 01:49:25.623
Can you hear me now?
01:49:25.623 --> 01:49:26.583
Alison you're muted.
01:49:27.488 --> 01:49:28.321
Yeah, here you go.
01:49:28.321 --> 01:49:29.520
Thank you for
the question Loris.
01:49:29.520 --> 01:49:34.270
I wanted to just add
CARE and FERA customers
01:49:34.270 --> 01:49:39.270
in particular since they're
income- eligible for ESA,
01:49:40.830 --> 01:49:43.770
then primarily, hopefully signed up
01:49:43.770 --> 01:49:47.280
and being served by the
energy savings assistance,
01:49:47.280 --> 01:49:49.560
energy efficiency program.
01:49:49.560 --> 01:49:54.560
The impact though, that the work here
01:49:54.600 --> 01:49:59.600
in budget here that Jessica
just described is perhaps that,
01:50:00.930 --> 01:50:03.987
there's more service or more emphasis
01:50:03.987 --> 01:50:08.590
towards those middle-income customers,
01:50:08.590 --> 01:50:11.070
which could end up
having an impact as far
01:50:11.070 --> 01:50:13.430
as more market players,
01:50:13.430 --> 01:50:16.060
more knowledge built of your neighbors,
01:50:16.060 --> 01:50:20.480
maybe you're income
qualified, but your neighbor is not,
01:50:20.480 --> 01:50:24.860
but they got this gadget
and learned through
01:50:24.860 --> 01:50:26.650
the process of having gone through
01:50:26.650 --> 01:50:30.460
the middle-income
program in the EE space
01:50:30.460 --> 01:50:33.560
that, oh, have they
been income eligible,
01:50:33.560 --> 01:50:35.390
then there would have been
a different program eligible.
01:50:35.390 --> 01:50:36.990
So just getting the word out
01:50:36.990 --> 01:50:40.810
and having more market
players potentially serving
01:50:40.810 --> 01:50:43.240
that middle space could
end up carrying over
01:50:43.240 --> 01:50:47.590
to helping and building
awareness of CARE customers
01:50:47.590 --> 01:50:49.120
that are actually eligible for ESA
01:50:49.120 --> 01:50:51.153
and having them participate more in ESA.
01:50:52.120 --> 01:50:54.210
Okay, I appreciate
that and we'll find out
01:50:54.210 --> 01:50:58.110
and I get it more now because thinking
01:51:00.002 --> 01:51:02.102
to how this would be
advertised right now,
01:51:04.020 --> 01:51:06.530
unfortunately through the
internet, through social media,
01:51:06.530 --> 01:51:08.130
a lot of advertising goes out
01:51:08.130 --> 01:51:10.870
to get those middle-income customers
01:51:10.870 --> 01:51:11.773
to benefit from instead of,
01:51:11.773 --> 01:51:13.760
so I was just wondering
how this is going
01:51:13.760 --> 01:51:16.640
to translate to those
contractors and those people
01:51:16.640 --> 01:51:19.650
who understand
there's a no to reach out.
01:51:19.650 --> 01:51:22.280
So it's very important
because unfortunately,
01:51:22.280 --> 01:51:24.920
this is one thing we can regulate
01:51:24.920 --> 01:51:26.490
what kind of business you open.
01:51:26.490 --> 01:51:29.792
It's a lot of businesses when
they see an opportunity like
01:51:29.792 --> 01:51:33.343
this, it opens itself up
to sometimes scams.
01:51:37.140 --> 01:51:40.110
Okay, thank you,
Board Member Medina,
01:51:40.110 --> 01:51:43.023
the Pop Walks has her hand
up and then will unfortunately,
01:51:43.023 --> 01:51:45.060
have to move to the
next item after that.
01:51:45.060 --> 01:51:47.160
But please go ahead.
01:51:47.160 --> 01:51:48.940
Thank you
Benito, so first of all,
01:51:48.940 --> 01:51:52.530
I really appreciate this
system change and the direction
01:51:52.530 --> 01:51:55.440
that we're going with this effort here,
01:51:55.440 --> 01:51:58.030
but what I'm more
appreciative is the invitation
01:51:58.030 --> 01:52:01.380
for contractors to participate
at the CAEECC level.
01:52:01.380 --> 01:52:05.200
I think it's really important
and the contractors have very
01:52:05.200 --> 01:52:09.480
valuable input to the
development of programs.
01:52:09.480 --> 01:52:12.520
So I'm really here to encourage
any contractors that are
01:52:12.520 --> 01:52:15.590
attending this meeting
today to take this opportunity
01:52:15.590 --> 01:52:18.320
to have your voice here by
getting involved with the CAEECC.
01:52:18.320 --> 01:52:21.010
I think that's a great
opportunity to get the contractors
01:52:21.010 --> 01:52:21.843
more involved.
01:52:26.700 --> 01:52:27.670
I agree, thank you.
01:52:27.670 --> 01:52:30.093
Yeah, I'm looking forward
to seeing the results of that.
01:52:31.820 --> 01:52:32.653
Okay, great.
01:52:32.653 --> 01:52:35.370
Well, Jessica, thank you
again for a great presentation.
01:52:35.370 --> 01:52:37.270
Obviously keep everybody's interest.
01:52:37.270 --> 01:52:39.890
So we really appreciate
your time this morning.
01:52:39.890 --> 01:52:42.980
And thank you Commissioner
Shiroma for setting this up.
01:52:42.980 --> 01:52:45.310
This is very informative.
01:52:45.310 --> 01:52:48.300
We're gonna move on to item seven,
01:52:48.300 --> 01:52:50.730
which is CPUC standing reports.
01:52:50.730 --> 01:52:53.010
I believe the first is
the legislative update.
01:52:53.010 --> 01:52:56.645
I know OJ is a little stretched
given the time of year
01:52:56.645 --> 01:53:00.223
and aren't able to
make it, so I was unclear.
01:53:01.257 --> 01:53:06.257
Jillian, is this just a time for
any questions or comments
01:53:06.540 --> 01:53:09.400
from members of the board
01:53:09.400 --> 01:53:12.737
or is there assigned
staff person for this one?
01:53:14.840 --> 01:53:16.280
For this item,
01:53:16.280 --> 01:53:20.100
it's just a bill update slide,
which is in the slide deck.
01:53:20.100 --> 01:53:23.850
Just for comment or
questions from board members.
01:53:23.850 --> 01:53:25.143
We will note those.
01:53:26.290 --> 01:53:28.173
It can follow up at a later time.
01:53:32.347 --> 01:53:36.530
Any comments I suppose,
01:53:36.530 --> 01:53:40.423
for members of the board
on the legislative bill update?
01:53:41.870 --> 01:53:43.150
I'll note that all three bills here
01:53:43.150 --> 01:53:44.790
seem to be sailing so far.
01:53:44.790 --> 01:53:46.970
So you're in support of them.
01:53:46.970 --> 01:53:47.820
That's good news.
01:53:51.640 --> 01:53:53.670
All right, we will move on then
01:53:53.670 --> 01:53:56.863
to Kevin at the Water Division.
01:53:58.270 --> 01:54:00.157
Whenever he's up, there you are, sorry,
01:54:00.157 --> 01:54:02.810
every time somebody
new comes on to WebEx,
01:54:02.810 --> 01:54:04.360
all of the slides shuffle,
01:54:04.360 --> 01:54:05.880
I don't know if that
happens for other people.
01:54:05.880 --> 01:54:07.730
So it's hard to keep
track of who's here,
01:54:07.730 --> 01:54:09.880
but whenever you're
ready, please go ahead.
01:54:14.505 --> 01:54:15.640
Okay, thank you.
01:54:15.640 --> 01:54:16.538
Good morning, everyone.
01:54:16.538 --> 01:54:20.410
I'm Kevin Truong from Water
Division and I will be providing
01:54:20.410 --> 01:54:22.350
updates on the water utilities.
01:54:22.350 --> 01:54:23.413
Next slide, please.
01:54:27.250 --> 01:54:29.350
We'll go over the latest
cap enrollment and bill
01:54:29.350 --> 01:54:33.170
arrearages, discuss the
water utilities, transition plans,
01:54:33.170 --> 01:54:34.690
and last but not least,
01:54:34.690 --> 01:54:37.890
I'm going to talk about the
jobs there are currently facing.
01:54:37.890 --> 01:54:39.093
Next slide, please.
01:54:42.600 --> 01:54:45.750
The number of customers and
cap saw a significant increase
01:54:45.750 --> 01:54:49.070
in the month of April with
over 270,000 participants
01:54:49.070 --> 01:54:50.370
now enrolled.
01:54:50.370 --> 01:54:52.350
This is a change from
the past several months,
01:54:52.350 --> 01:54:56.900
which have participation covering
around 250,000 compared to
01:54:56.900 --> 01:54:59.960
the beginning of the
pandemic in March of last year,
01:54:59.960 --> 01:55:04.600
enrollment has increased
22.7% consistent with the jumps
01:55:04.600 --> 01:55:07.620
in participation seen in
May and August, 2020.
01:55:07.620 --> 01:55:10.840
The big jump in April was due
to the completion of the most
01:55:10.840 --> 01:55:14.750
recent data exchange between
energy and water utilities.
01:55:14.750 --> 01:55:15.763
Next slide, please.
01:55:20.620 --> 01:55:24.220
Looking at water bill arrearages,
the total arrearage amount
01:55:24.220 --> 01:55:29.220
as of March, 2021 was $62.1
million of which 11.7 million
01:55:30.450 --> 01:55:32.810
or 18.9% are from customers.
01:55:32.810 --> 01:55:36.140
And we'll then cap the
percentage of cap customers behind
01:55:36.140 --> 01:55:39.340
on their bills compared to
all customers which include
01:55:39.340 --> 01:55:43.850
residential and
non-residential is 26.7%.
01:55:43.850 --> 01:55:45.330
I put two charts on this slide.
01:55:45.330 --> 01:55:47.134
The blue graph shows the
number of cap customers
01:55:47.134 --> 01:55:49.080
in arrearage in the past six months.
01:55:49.080 --> 01:55:52.450
And orange graph shows
the average amount owed by
01:55:52.450 --> 01:55:54.090
those cap customers.
01:55:54.090 --> 01:55:55.302
So based on these graphs,
01:55:55.302 --> 01:55:58.850
my original takeaway was the
number of cat customers behind
01:55:58.850 --> 01:56:00.380
on their bills is trending downward.
01:56:00.380 --> 01:56:03.120
While the average amount
owed is trending outward.
01:56:03.120 --> 01:56:05.820
However, the Water Division
just put together numbers
01:56:05.820 --> 01:56:07.650
for April and the other day.
01:56:07.650 --> 01:56:09.720
And while the average
amount owed continues
01:56:09.720 --> 01:56:12.110
to increase the number of cat customers
01:56:12.110 --> 01:56:14.360
in your weird is also
increased in April.
01:56:14.360 --> 01:56:17.460
So it's now at 62,000.
01:56:17.460 --> 01:56:21.403
So the trend is no longer
increasing, next slide, please.
01:56:24.810 --> 01:56:27.723
Transitioning to transition plans.
01:56:29.190 --> 01:56:31.580
Another thing that happened
after I submitted these slides
01:56:31.580 --> 01:56:35.240
was the Governor releasing a
new executive order last week,
01:56:35.240 --> 01:56:37.640
which extended the
disconnection moratorium
01:56:37.640 --> 01:56:39.068
to September 30th.
01:56:39.068 --> 01:56:41.260
So that's the big date.
01:56:41.260 --> 01:56:44.300
That means the standard
pre pandemic procedures
01:56:44.300 --> 01:56:47.680
on disconnections will
resume on October 1st,
01:56:47.680 --> 01:56:50.750
the R use we'll also begin
re-certifying customers
01:56:50.750 --> 01:56:55.700
and will be capped,
spending that after that date,
01:56:55.700 --> 01:56:59.120
as part of the transition
plans that are usable notify
01:56:59.120 --> 01:57:02.930
customers of the upcoming
disconnection policy resumption,
01:57:02.930 --> 01:57:06.333
and we'll focus on hard reach
and disadvantaged communities,
01:57:07.230 --> 01:57:08.940
they will also increase
their data exchange
01:57:08.940 --> 01:57:11.000
from biannual to quarterly.
01:57:11.000 --> 01:57:13.063
If not this year, then by next year,
01:57:14.640 --> 01:57:17.770
we'll continue to offer
alternative payment plans
01:57:17.770 --> 01:57:21.200
to help with those behind
on their bills and customers
01:57:21.200 --> 01:57:23.343
under such plans will
not be disconnected.
01:57:24.901 --> 01:57:27.330
Regarding arrearage management program
01:57:27.330 --> 01:57:31.100
or a debt forgiveness, no
IOU has currently proposed
01:57:31.100 --> 01:57:36.100
to implement a program, debt
forgiveness may be considered
01:57:36.820 --> 01:57:38.783
in the water affordability proceeding.
01:57:39.720 --> 01:57:40.763
Next slide, please.
01:57:48.200 --> 01:57:49.780
Okay, last slide.
01:57:49.780 --> 01:57:50.613
The drought.
01:57:50.613 --> 01:57:53.770
So the are in the next
California drop, unfortunately,
01:57:53.770 --> 01:57:56.630
as you can see on this
really red map of California,
01:57:56.630 --> 01:58:00.210
which shows how much rain
and snow has happened or has not
01:58:00.210 --> 01:58:04.140
happened since October,
the Governor declared drought
01:58:04.140 --> 01:58:08.310
emergencies in April and
May, 441 out of the 58 counties
01:58:08.310 --> 01:58:11.510
though, I wouldn't be surprised
if more counties are added.
01:58:11.510 --> 01:58:13.647
There is currently no
mandatory conservation yet,
01:58:13.647 --> 01:58:15.890
but the chances of that happening again,
01:58:15.890 --> 01:58:20.550
like in 2015, 2016, only
increases if high dry weeks
01:58:20.550 --> 01:58:22.173
like this week continue.
01:58:23.410 --> 01:58:26.060
The Commission recently
sent out a letter to all water.
01:58:26.060 --> 01:58:29.560
I use large and small to remind
them to plan and prepare for
01:58:29.560 --> 01:58:32.730
a dry conditions and encourage
actions to reduce water usage
01:58:34.240 --> 01:58:37.700
that I use are starting to
follow their schedule 14.1
01:58:37.700 --> 01:58:39.820
to promote voluntary conservation.
01:58:39.820 --> 01:58:43.810
And that will also enable
them to enforce mandatory
01:58:43.810 --> 01:58:46.093
conservation, if and
when that is declared.
01:58:47.640 --> 01:58:50.050
I've shared links on this slide
for those that want to learn
01:58:50.050 --> 01:58:53.810
more about the job and how
to better conserve water usage.
01:58:53.810 --> 01:58:56.240
And that concludes my
presentation, thank you.
01:58:58.970 --> 01:59:00.620
Okay, thank you, Kevin.
01:59:00.620 --> 01:59:02.350
I had a quick question and then
01:59:02.350 --> 01:59:04.440
I saw a hand up from one member.
01:59:04.440 --> 01:59:08.500
I see Board Member Medina
also, but it might be premature,
01:59:08.500 --> 01:59:11.700
but I know there was a press
release a while ago about the
01:59:11.700 --> 01:59:14.853
new federal low-income
water assistance program.
01:59:14.853 --> 01:59:17.150
I was just curious that
in addition to all the great
01:59:17.150 --> 01:59:21.002
measures the state is taking,
if there's any updates yet,
01:59:21.002 --> 01:59:23.990
otherwise we just ask
whenever the time is appropriate.
01:59:23.990 --> 01:59:26.463
It'd be great to hear
about that as well.
01:59:29.463 --> 01:59:31.140
Yeah, currently,
01:59:31.140 --> 01:59:34.650
I guess we're not sure how
those funds will be disbursed
01:59:34.650 --> 01:59:37.840
at this moment, but once
we know more about it,
01:59:37.840 --> 01:59:39.633
I'll definitely update that report.
01:59:40.620 --> 01:59:41.453
Sounds good.
01:59:42.419 --> 01:59:44.123
Board Member Medina.
01:59:46.240 --> 01:59:48.210
Well, a few where
the center values
01:59:48.210 --> 01:59:49.720
and the really scary stuff,
01:59:49.720 --> 01:59:51.889
the drought and what's going on,
01:59:51.889 --> 01:59:55.546
the moratorium will affect,
01:59:55.546 --> 01:59:59.980
especially during the summer
and October families burly
01:59:59.980 --> 02:00:02.110
and start going back to work field work
02:00:02.110 --> 02:00:04.899
if there's any and due to the drought.
02:00:04.899 --> 02:00:07.170
So in my experience, the last drought,
02:00:07.170 --> 02:00:09.460
one of the biggest crisis
was that the communities
02:00:09.460 --> 02:00:13.790
that had to get water
to their well system,
02:00:13.790 --> 02:00:17.740
they had to dig deeper and it
was more costly to dig deeper
02:00:17.740 --> 02:00:20.290
because they have to go
through different sediments
02:00:20.290 --> 02:00:23.340
and it takes a
driller's different skills.
02:00:23.340 --> 02:00:27.370
So that is a huge cost
for any family or farmer,
02:00:27.370 --> 02:00:30.060
or families that live in farmland,
02:00:30.060 --> 02:00:32.250
and that having to
do that for themselves,
02:00:32.250 --> 02:00:35.470
'cause they're usually their
tenants were farmers owned,
02:00:35.470 --> 02:00:38.510
don't supply any help there,
02:00:38.510 --> 02:00:42.305
but then also the cost of
pumping the sort of water
02:00:42.305 --> 02:00:46.030
from during a drought is also a factor
02:00:46.030 --> 02:00:47.340
that we have to start looking at.
02:00:47.340 --> 02:00:49.090
And I don't know if there's any way
02:00:49.090 --> 02:00:52.683
through this program or
through this apartment.
02:00:53.860 --> 02:00:57.460
When we start seeing how
we could or create some sort of
02:00:57.460 --> 02:01:02.460
an axillary water
dispense, cost or service,
02:01:03.390 --> 02:01:05.785
like the water trucks
and all that municipalities
02:01:05.785 --> 02:01:09.740
usually can't do this
and there's still customers
02:01:09.740 --> 02:01:11.920
and children out there
who need this service.
02:01:11.920 --> 02:01:14.950
So I don't know if somehow
we could start looking at that
02:01:14.950 --> 02:01:18.050
because looking at this
red map, it's really scary,
02:01:18.050 --> 02:01:22.380
but central valley because
of the agricultural needs,
02:01:22.380 --> 02:01:25.150
there's still a lot of
homes who are subpar,
02:01:25.150 --> 02:01:28.210
where unfortunately not
energy efficient homes
02:01:28.210 --> 02:01:33.210
that all serve multi-families
and are of low income.
02:01:33.500 --> 02:01:36.140
So this could be a
consideration or I don't know
02:01:36.140 --> 02:01:38.860
where you guys want to put
this, but it is a regular for me.
02:01:38.860 --> 02:01:39.693
Thank you.
02:01:44.607 --> 02:01:48.960
Board member Wembley,
Casteneda, and then one other,
02:01:48.960 --> 02:01:52.540
why is your hand still up
from last time or, Jason,
02:01:52.540 --> 02:01:53.920
whenever you're ready?
02:01:53.920 --> 02:01:56.040
Sure, Benito to your
question regarding
02:01:56.040 --> 02:01:59.100
the Federal Water Assistance Program,
02:01:59.100 --> 02:02:01.060
I'm not sure if you're aware or the rest
02:02:01.060 --> 02:02:04.630
of the board is aware about
CSD is the designated agency
02:02:04.630 --> 02:02:07.683
to administer those water funds.
02:02:09.040 --> 02:02:13.653
What does the ATC
acronym stand for?
02:02:14.840 --> 02:02:17.160
Oh, so the acronym
for this program is
02:02:17.160 --> 02:02:21.390
the Low-Income Household
Water Assistance Program,
02:02:21.390 --> 02:02:24.810
LIHWAP, it's a it's contained
02:02:24.810 --> 02:02:28.570
in the Governor's May revision.
02:02:28.570 --> 02:02:30.328
There was a placeholder in there
02:02:30.328 --> 02:02:32.440
for the receipt of these dollars.
02:02:32.440 --> 02:02:34.720
At that time, we didn't know
whether our allocation share
02:02:34.720 --> 02:02:36.410
was going to be, but we do know
02:02:36.410 --> 02:02:39.893
that now it's roughly $116.4 million.
02:02:41.786 --> 02:02:44.940
So the Community
Services Department, you are,
02:02:44.940 --> 02:02:49.110
your state agency has been
designated as the agency
02:02:50.940 --> 02:02:53.620
to distribute those funds
for the water customers
02:02:53.620 --> 02:02:55.407
who are in arrearage.
02:02:56.386 --> 02:02:58.090
Yes, so yes, exactly.
02:02:58.090 --> 02:03:02.770
So the appropriation
language for this program is that
02:03:02.770 --> 02:03:07.120
the dollars can be used to
provide financial assistance
02:03:07.120 --> 02:03:11.403
for water services and
water treatment services.
02:03:12.600 --> 02:03:14.536
So we are still working with
02:03:14.536 --> 02:03:18.070
the federal U.S. Department
of Health and Human Services
02:03:18.070 --> 02:03:23.030
to obtain a final guidance.
02:03:23.030 --> 02:03:24.320
This is a new program,
02:03:24.320 --> 02:03:27.660
so they are working
diligently to try to define
02:03:27.660 --> 02:03:30.260
the parameters and the
requirements for the program.
02:03:31.130 --> 02:03:35.940
And we do know that
there will be a model
02:03:35.940 --> 02:03:39.173
or a state plan that
will be released shortly.
02:03:40.271 --> 02:03:41.104
And then once it's released,
02:03:41.104 --> 02:03:45.390
we have 45 days to
submit that application
02:03:45.390 --> 02:03:48.310
to the U.S. Department of
Health and Human Services.
02:03:48.310 --> 02:03:50.180
And that basically
serves as the prerequisite
02:03:50.180 --> 02:03:52.359
to receiving funds.
02:03:52.359 --> 02:03:53.583
The guidance--
02:03:53.583 --> 02:03:58.160
And Jason, sorry, let's
pick it because of Lordis's
02:03:58.160 --> 02:04:02.170
comments about what
does all mean to people
02:04:02.170 --> 02:04:06.800
who aren't familiar with the
nomenclature and so forth?
02:04:06.800 --> 02:04:10.120
This program is for both
the regulated water districts
02:04:10.120 --> 02:04:12.960
that Viet Kevin was talking about,
02:04:12.960 --> 02:04:17.960
plus also the municipally
owned water utilities,
02:04:18.020 --> 02:04:20.068
the publicly owned
water municipalities,,
02:04:20.068 --> 02:04:23.840
you didn't seek houses and
so forth and so on for both.
02:04:23.840 --> 02:04:28.840
So all the more the Governor
pushing the moratorium
02:04:28.890 --> 02:04:31.440
to September 30th gives time for you.
02:04:31.440 --> 02:04:32.273
Yes.
02:04:34.537 --> 02:04:37.100
You write all this out
and everyone else as well.
02:04:37.100 --> 02:04:39.989
Yeah, okay, back to you, Jason.
02:04:39.989 --> 02:04:41.630
No problem.
02:04:41.630 --> 02:04:46.280
And so we do have some
discretion as a state to decide
02:04:46.280 --> 02:04:48.400
on how best to implement these dollars
02:04:49.260 --> 02:04:52.737
since they are limited in
terms of the scale of need
02:04:52.737 --> 02:04:55.810
and the population size in California,
02:04:55.810 --> 02:04:59.310
there could be some benefits
to maybe using these dollars
02:04:59.310 --> 02:05:02.643
to address arrearages,
since arrearages is kind of
02:05:02.643 --> 02:05:07.643
a friend-centered topic on
both the energy and water side,
02:05:08.380 --> 02:05:09.900
but you know the particulars on that,
02:05:09.900 --> 02:05:11.520
it hasn't been finalized,
02:05:11.520 --> 02:05:14.140
but just wanted to update that kind of
02:05:14.140 --> 02:05:15.290
that's where things are at.
02:05:15.290 --> 02:05:19.030
And the next critical
step would be obtaining
02:05:19.030 --> 02:05:21.760
the state plan, taking a look at it,
02:05:21.760 --> 02:05:25.100
getting a better understanding
of the requirements.
02:05:25.100 --> 02:05:27.850
And then from there, we can
figure out as a department,
02:05:27.850 --> 02:05:29.163
how we want to proceed.
02:05:31.270 --> 02:05:34.960
Also just wanted to also touch on that
02:05:34.960 --> 02:05:36.970
in the Governor's may revised budget.
02:05:36.970 --> 02:05:40.130
There was also a billion
dollars that was proposed
02:05:40.130 --> 02:05:45.050
to address water
arrearages in the state.
02:05:45.050 --> 02:05:48.910
So that's another
form of financial relief
02:05:48.910 --> 02:05:50.913
that might be available as well.
02:05:51.983 --> 02:05:55.240
It's going through the
budget process as we speak.
02:05:55.240 --> 02:05:58.150
And Kevin, I do have a
follow-up question for you.
02:05:58.150 --> 02:06:02.733
So in 2014, during the
last drought emergency,
02:06:03.760 --> 02:06:06.880
the Governor's Office had
convened a Drought Task Force,
02:06:06.880 --> 02:06:10.270
and I know the CPUC regularly
attended those meetings
02:06:10.270 --> 02:06:12.973
as well as CSD and others
that state departments.
02:06:14.090 --> 02:06:17.740
Do we know from some of the
things that were done during,
02:06:17.740 --> 02:06:19.819
in response to that
last drought emergency,
02:06:19.819 --> 02:06:23.030
are there some things that
you feel that the Commission
02:06:23.030 --> 02:06:25.393
could start to kind of re-look at
02:06:25.393 --> 02:06:29.620
and apply for this response,
02:06:29.620 --> 02:06:32.170
for this drought that we're
currently experiencing?
02:06:36.030 --> 02:06:39.590
Yeah, so there were
definitely, I guess,
02:06:39.590 --> 02:06:43.810
lessons learned from
the last drought, I guess,
02:06:43.810 --> 02:06:47.510
one of the, I guess,
speak to one of the things
02:06:47.510 --> 02:06:49.110
the Commission did directly was
02:06:50.437 --> 02:06:53.300
the schedule 14 point
ones that I mentioned,
02:06:53.300 --> 02:06:56.740
each utility came up with their ways
02:06:58.177 --> 02:07:00.253
of having customers conserve water.
02:07:01.750 --> 02:07:06.495
And I've been tracking water usage
02:07:06.495 --> 02:07:11.495
since the drought, 2014, and
overall Statewide since 2015,
02:07:16.200 --> 02:07:20.417
water usage has decreased
by 15% and among the,
02:07:20.417 --> 02:07:25.417
our use only that that
conservation was 20%.
02:07:27.510 --> 02:07:32.510
So we're, I guess there's hope
02:07:32.530 --> 02:07:35.030
that the measures put in
place in the last drought
02:07:35.960 --> 02:07:37.530
will help during this trial.
02:07:37.530 --> 02:07:42.530
And maybe we can try to
tinker the ways that are gonna
02:07:44.150 --> 02:07:46.398
improve the waves when the last drought.
02:07:46.398 --> 02:07:47.231
Right.
02:07:47.231 --> 02:07:48.610
It sounds like we're going
to probably have to do that
02:07:48.610 --> 02:07:52.370
as a state, this given the
severity of this current drought,
02:07:52.370 --> 02:07:53.203
yeah.
02:07:54.381 --> 02:07:55.381
Thank you.
02:07:58.512 --> 02:08:00.062
Okay, Board Member Casteneda,
02:08:00.062 --> 02:08:03.176
I believe you had a question.
02:08:03.176 --> 02:08:04.009
Yeah.
02:08:05.712 --> 02:08:06.545
Maybe Jeff can
also help with this,
02:08:06.545 --> 02:08:10.702
during the last drought,
02:08:10.702 --> 02:08:14.530
we had a very timely
piece of legislation by,
02:08:14.530 --> 02:08:19.530
I believe Senator
Dodd that also included
02:08:19.678 --> 02:08:24.166
a Statewide low-income
rate assessment, low income,
02:08:24.166 --> 02:08:28.890
it's a LIRA, I think
it's a rate assessment.
02:08:28.890 --> 02:08:30.309
In other words,
02:08:30.309 --> 02:08:32.590
it functions somewhat like
CARE and there were serious
02:08:32.590 --> 02:08:35.130
discussion about how
that would be administered
02:08:35.130 --> 02:08:36.872
and how it works.
02:08:36.872 --> 02:08:40.730
And the utilities, both
public and private,
02:08:40.730 --> 02:08:43.240
we're looking at our
care program in terms of
02:08:43.240 --> 02:08:45.210
an administrative model.
02:08:45.210 --> 02:08:47.293
So I guess my question is,
02:08:48.460 --> 02:08:50.861
is that legislation or that effort
02:08:50.861 --> 02:08:55.861
still being worked or have
we kind of backed away
02:08:58.440 --> 02:09:01.113
from many low-income
rate assistance with water?
02:09:03.440 --> 02:09:04.683
Yeah, yeah.
02:09:04.683 --> 02:09:07.090
You're referring to AB 401,
02:09:07.090 --> 02:09:09.513
the Statewide low-income program.
02:09:11.930 --> 02:09:14.960
The State Water Board,
I think, released their,
02:09:14.960 --> 02:09:19.750
I guess their draft proposal
last year, sometime last year.
02:09:19.750 --> 02:09:24.750
And I guess I'm not sure
I can follow up with that,
02:09:25.240 --> 02:09:27.190
but I'm not sure if there
has been any happening
02:09:27.190 --> 02:09:30.720
since they submitted their
report to the legislation.
02:09:30.720 --> 02:09:33.563
And I guess that's
where it stands right now.
02:09:34.441 --> 02:09:38.700
Yeah, so yeah.
02:09:38.700 --> 02:09:39.533
I can.
02:09:40.417 --> 02:09:42.715
Yeah, I think at this point,
02:09:42.715 --> 02:09:43.843
I don't know if you guys can hear me.
02:09:49.920 --> 02:09:52.300
I think at this point it's
really in the hands of
02:09:52.300 --> 02:09:57.300
the individual legislators
to develop bills around this,
02:09:57.510 --> 02:09:59.610
to push forward aspects.
02:09:59.610 --> 02:10:01.890
But of course the big issue is,
02:10:01.890 --> 02:10:04.083
is that the funding piece of it.
02:10:04.930 --> 02:10:07.163
So that that's the challenge,
02:10:08.770 --> 02:10:10.483
but with respect to the drought,
02:10:12.108 --> 02:10:17.108
there are the drought is
becoming much more severe
02:10:19.070 --> 02:10:20.010
as time goes on.
02:10:20.010 --> 02:10:25.010
But parts of the state that
do not have like the coast,
02:10:29.410 --> 02:10:32.913
the central coast parts of
the states, Sonoma County,
02:10:33.780 --> 02:10:38.780
places like that, have already
implemented some measures.
02:10:38.950 --> 02:10:42.650
But I think there's some concern
02:10:42.650 --> 02:10:44.880
that the Southern part
of the state has made
02:10:44.880 --> 02:10:46.063
a lot of investment.
02:10:47.083 --> 02:10:52.083
And so the reservoirs
in Southern California are
02:10:52.620 --> 02:10:57.040
in better shape, but
typically I think where
02:10:57.040 --> 02:10:59.560
the state has gone is
to take a much more of
02:10:59.560 --> 02:11:02.000
a state approach to
drought restrictions.
02:11:02.000 --> 02:11:07.000
So I think we will likely see
some more movement on that.
02:11:12.780 --> 02:11:15.410
Yeah, I think that
my limited experience
02:11:15.410 --> 02:11:17.090
in connection with this two years ago,
02:11:17.090 --> 02:11:22.013
because I was kind of
drafted to go into a sort of a,
02:11:23.246 --> 02:11:25.240
I wouldn't call it a workshop
as much broader than that,
02:11:25.240 --> 02:11:29.480
but a sort of a session to
discuss the TATA legislation
02:11:29.480 --> 02:11:34.060
as well as the low-income
rate assistance program
02:11:34.060 --> 02:11:37.191
and how that would work
and so on and so forth.
02:11:37.191 --> 02:11:39.387
And one of the things
that I've learned is that,
02:11:39.387 --> 02:11:41.420
and again, I think it's
important for this for this board
02:11:41.420 --> 02:11:44.090
to kind of know they had owned already
02:11:44.090 --> 02:11:47.673
that the utility Commission
only regulates 14%
02:11:47.673 --> 02:11:51.557
of all actual water utilities,
the rest are municipals.
02:11:51.557 --> 02:11:53.990
And that means that
their own little fiefdoms
02:11:53.990 --> 02:11:56.140
and believe me, there are a lot of them.
02:11:56.140 --> 02:12:01.052
So I mean to develop
consensus Statewide, I mean, it's,
02:12:01.052 --> 02:12:03.690
and again, I'm a layman,
I don't really know,
02:12:03.690 --> 02:12:06.140
but I would say it's
practically mission impossible,
02:12:06.140 --> 02:12:08.460
and it's certainly
not going to be quick.
02:12:08.460 --> 02:12:13.460
So again, I just hope that
the legislation stays alive.
02:12:14.880 --> 02:12:17.603
I think we need to have
all stakeholders at the table.
02:12:18.631 --> 02:12:21.210
I think that the last time
we heard from the California,
02:12:21.210 --> 02:12:22.043
what is it?
02:12:22.043 --> 02:12:23.960
The California Water
Board, Jeff, is that it,
02:12:23.960 --> 02:12:26.200
the one that was doing the draft letter,
02:12:26.200 --> 02:12:29.530
but we haven't heard from
them from a wall for a while.
02:12:29.530 --> 02:12:33.160
I think it would be good just
to maybe at the next board
02:12:33.160 --> 02:12:36.320
meeting, possibly Mr. Chair,
if he can kind of update
02:12:36.320 --> 02:12:38.753
where everybody's at with this.
02:12:38.753 --> 02:12:40.813
Because I think the last
time that we seriously took the
02:12:40.813 --> 02:12:44.580
look at it because without
legislation two years ago,
02:12:44.580 --> 02:12:46.880
and I know that through the Commission,
02:12:46.880 --> 02:12:51.100
we created what we call was
an energy water nexus that
02:12:51.100 --> 02:12:54.980
allowed us to do additional
water conservation measures
02:12:54.980 --> 02:12:56.683
through our ESA program.
02:12:58.010 --> 02:13:01.580
So maybe some sort of
update on that might help
02:13:01.580 --> 02:13:05.303
and connection with what
contribution possibly we can make.
02:13:07.130 --> 02:13:07.963
Yeah, absolutely.
02:13:07.963 --> 02:13:12.950
We can look into contacting
the Water Board and see if the
02:13:15.180 --> 02:13:18.990
next meeting, I think
Jason and Commissioner,
02:13:18.990 --> 02:13:20.880
and then we should call on Maria.
02:13:20.880 --> 02:13:22.080
And then we can move on.
02:13:23.270 --> 02:13:27.230
I just wanted to Jeff, this
is probably more for you.
02:13:27.230 --> 02:13:30.033
I thought there was,
let's say bill SB 222,
02:13:30.033 --> 02:13:32.150
that was sponsored by Dodd,
02:13:32.150 --> 02:13:36.680
that was also going through the process.
02:13:36.680 --> 02:13:38.080
So let's say process,
02:13:38.080 --> 02:13:42.690
but it was aimed at
establishing those very programs
02:13:42.690 --> 02:13:44.430
that Bob was just speaking to.
02:13:44.430 --> 02:13:46.880
Have you been tracking
that piece of legislation?
02:13:49.820 --> 02:13:50.653
Kevin?
02:13:54.490 --> 02:13:58.403
Yeah, I'd have to
circle back on that one.
02:14:05.970 --> 02:14:09.210
There's a statement
or a question on the chat.
02:14:09.210 --> 02:14:12.027
I don't know if (mumbles).
02:14:13.800 --> 02:14:16.940
We can go to that, but I
think the Commissioner
02:14:16.940 --> 02:14:20.823
and then Vice-Chair Stamis are next.
02:14:23.090 --> 02:14:25.902
Just simply saying yes, indeed.
02:14:25.902 --> 02:14:30.670
You share indicated
that we can follow up
02:14:30.670 --> 02:14:35.260
to let you invite state Water Resources
02:14:35.260 --> 02:14:39.930
Control Board, a
representative to come and talk
02:14:39.930 --> 02:14:42.385
to the LIOB on what is latest.
02:14:42.385 --> 02:14:47.385
And it's at the next meeting and
meet maybe in between maybe
02:14:47.890 --> 02:14:51.853
at one of the technical
committee meetings as well.
02:14:54.420 --> 02:14:55.793
Okay, some time shift.
02:14:57.540 --> 02:15:00.192
Vice Chair, Stanis?
02:15:00.192 --> 02:15:01.682
Okay, great.
02:15:01.682 --> 02:15:03.960
But the caveat that I'm not as
well-versed on the water side
02:15:03.960 --> 02:15:06.940
of things, just a question
about in light of Jason's news,
02:15:06.940 --> 02:15:10.827
about funding from the
state for water arrearages,
02:15:10.827 --> 02:15:14.010
I'm just curious about the
timeline of when the Water
02:15:14.010 --> 02:15:17.900
Utility Moratoria or like
disconnections timeline expires
02:15:17.900 --> 02:15:21.730
and when the funding's
available and how that is,
02:15:21.730 --> 02:15:24.423
or isn't aligned, and if
there's anything to do there?
02:15:29.980 --> 02:15:31.580
Do you want to answer that
Kevin or do you wan to have me?
02:15:31.580 --> 02:15:36.580
Yeah, I think Kevin stated
that the Governor's extended
02:15:37.090 --> 02:15:40.653
the moratorium to September 30,
02:15:42.395 --> 02:15:45.720
there was also a proposed
decision that came out two days
02:15:45.720 --> 02:15:50.300
ago and the LIRA
proceeding sort of directing
02:15:50.300 --> 02:15:53.557
the utilities in terms
of how they would take
02:15:56.100 --> 02:16:00.010
the arrearage balances,
how they would apply federal
02:16:00.010 --> 02:16:03.120
and state dollars
when they are available
02:16:04.070 --> 02:16:07.410
and how they would address that.
02:16:07.410 --> 02:16:11.260
So I don't know if I answered
your question, Maria,
02:16:11.260 --> 02:16:13.860
but that that's kind of the
time, that's the timeline,
02:16:13.860 --> 02:16:14.693
as I know.
02:16:17.160 --> 02:16:17.993
That's helpful.
02:16:17.993 --> 02:16:18.826
And I don't know if you have
02:16:18.826 --> 02:16:20.500
any sense of like administratively,
02:16:20.500 --> 02:16:22.030
how long it will take to process
02:16:22.030 --> 02:16:23.390
all this funding that comes through.
02:16:23.390 --> 02:16:26.450
And if that will align with
the September 30th or date,
02:16:26.450 --> 02:16:28.570
or if everyone's kind
of playing it by ear
02:16:28.570 --> 02:16:29.993
to see that makes sense.
02:16:34.160 --> 02:16:37.473
Yeah, and I think Jason
touched on it a little bit.
02:16:38.950 --> 02:16:42.260
Yeah, the CSD, they will
be the ones responsible
02:16:42.260 --> 02:16:46.483
for dispersing, those
distributing those funds.
02:16:48.445 --> 02:16:51.260
And yeah, just to follow
up Jason, on your question,
02:16:51.260 --> 02:16:56.260
SB 222, I will provide, I'll look into
02:16:57.450 --> 02:16:59.750
and provide more updates
for the next meeting.
02:17:03.790 --> 02:17:07.430
Sounds great, and then I
think there was one question
02:17:09.010 --> 02:17:14.010
from public comment that Lauren
is touch on, which was good.
02:17:14.330 --> 02:17:18.250
CSD, the CPUC and DWR work with counties
02:17:18.250 --> 02:17:20.070
to regulate well drilling
02:17:20.070 --> 02:17:23.290
and or over pumping and areas
where low-income customers are
02:17:23.290 --> 02:17:26.127
at risk of losing
access to water supply.
02:17:35.610 --> 02:17:40.610
I'll preface by saying that
the CPUC's jurisdiction,
02:17:42.720 --> 02:17:47.335
it is over the regulated water utilities
02:17:47.335 --> 02:17:52.335
such as Jeff's company.
02:17:52.710 --> 02:17:56.230
And as Robert indicated, it's,
02:17:56.230 --> 02:17:58.380
I think maybe it's around 16% now,
02:17:58.380 --> 02:18:02.306
16% of the water customers
in California receive their water
02:18:02.306 --> 02:18:05.980
from a regulated water district.
02:18:05.980 --> 02:18:10.980
And in that arena certainly be a Kevin
02:18:11.300 --> 02:18:15.577
and the Water Division,
the CPUC, we regulate.
02:18:18.400 --> 02:18:22.900
And in terms of the water availability,
02:18:22.900 --> 02:18:27.020
the sources of water, the
environment impacts and so forth.
02:18:27.020 --> 02:18:30.843
So for those 16%
approximate being customers,
02:18:32.240 --> 02:18:35.543
we have that jurisdiction,
where the other 85%,
02:18:36.907 --> 02:18:41.907
84% that is from the
publicly-owned entities
02:18:44.620 --> 02:18:46.390
and the umbrella and the umbrella agency
02:18:46.390 --> 02:18:49.600
for all is the state Water
Resources Control Board.
02:18:49.600 --> 02:18:52.457
Now Commissioner and myself are,
02:18:59.231 --> 02:19:02.090
need the Commissioners
to coordinate with
02:19:02.090 --> 02:19:03.780
the State Water Resources Control Board.
02:19:03.780 --> 02:19:08.780
And we will share concern
with our counterparts
02:19:10.858 --> 02:19:14.010
at the state Water
Resources Control Board.
02:19:14.010 --> 02:19:14.850
I'll stop there.
02:19:14.850 --> 02:19:19.850
And if Jeff or Kevin,
Kevin, or anyone else
02:19:19.980 --> 02:19:24.470
wants to weigh in, I want to
push the microphone over.
02:19:26.907 --> 02:19:30.720
I just say that the state
passed several years back
02:19:30.720 --> 02:19:35.720
legislation regarding
groundwater Sigma legislation.
02:19:38.690 --> 02:19:43.000
So there are actions in place now
02:19:43.000 --> 02:19:48.000
to prevent over-pumping of
basins that are not adjudicated.
02:19:51.548 --> 02:19:54.070
So I think that that is one issue.
02:19:54.070 --> 02:19:56.787
As far as what the state
Water Board is doing
02:19:56.787 --> 02:19:58.380
on some of these issues,
02:19:58.380 --> 02:20:01.384
maybe that's something
we could talk about
02:20:01.384 --> 02:20:04.490
when they're here,
02:20:04.490 --> 02:20:08.000
but I think as
Commissioner Shiroma said,
02:20:08.000 --> 02:20:11.593
the state Water Board has,
02:20:12.840 --> 02:20:16.840
I don't know how to say
this, probably the vast reach
02:20:16.840 --> 02:20:20.360
of water regulation in the state, so...
02:20:22.450 --> 02:20:23.283
Okay, great.
02:20:23.283 --> 02:20:25.970
Probably gonna have to
call time so we can move
02:20:25.970 --> 02:20:28.741
on to the next item ahead of lunch.
02:20:28.741 --> 02:20:31.527
Kevin, thank you again
for the presentation
02:20:31.527 --> 02:20:34.630
and also to Jason for the
update on the federal program.
02:20:34.630 --> 02:20:36.000
That sounds pretty exciting.
02:20:36.000 --> 02:20:38.940
And hopefully Kevin, we'll
see you again with somebody
02:20:38.940 --> 02:20:41.763
from maybe the Water
Board at a committee or board.
02:20:44.284 --> 02:20:45.117
And with that,
02:20:45.117 --> 02:20:48.840
we're going to move on from
the last piece of item seven,
02:20:48.840 --> 02:20:53.840
which is the presentation on
changes and is Robby here?
02:21:00.655 --> 02:21:02.040
I think I saw him a little while ago.
02:21:02.040 --> 02:21:04.343
Jillian is you need to
be promoted the panel.
02:21:05.210 --> 02:21:08.110
Eventually, Chairman
Delgado Olsen,
02:21:08.110 --> 02:21:10.913
t's Ravi here and I'm ready
02:21:10.913 --> 02:21:12.533
to give the presentation.
02:21:14.410 --> 02:21:16.660
Okay, please proceed
whenever you're ready.
02:21:16.660 --> 02:21:17.560
Okay, thank you.
02:21:18.614 --> 02:21:21.050
Just wanted to say,
first of all, thank you,
02:21:21.050 --> 02:21:25.590
Chairman Delgado Olsen
and to members of the board
02:21:25.590 --> 02:21:28.660
for accommodating the changes update.
02:21:28.660 --> 02:21:31.010
My name is Ravi Manget.
02:21:31.010 --> 02:21:34.264
I work within the consumer
affairs branch in the News and
02:21:34.264 --> 02:21:36.530
Outreach Office and in the CPUC,
02:21:36.530 --> 02:21:41.530
which is the group that
manages the changes program,
02:21:42.040 --> 02:21:47.040
which is the program that
provides support to limiting
02:21:47.050 --> 02:21:52.050
English customers with
their energy services.
02:21:52.780 --> 02:21:56.920
There is also a sister
program called team, which is a,
02:21:56.920 --> 02:22:00.125
which is focused on
Telco, but there are,
02:22:00.125 --> 02:22:05.125
27 currently funded CBRs that
provide programs on the ground
02:22:06.190 --> 02:22:09.791
with a lead contractor being
self-help for the elderly and
02:22:09.791 --> 02:22:14.791
casing all of the contractors
there on the line, as well.
02:22:20.700 --> 02:22:22.467
Overall, I wanted to move,
02:22:22.467 --> 02:22:27.420
we'll be providing a quick
update on the program and we'll
02:22:27.420 --> 02:22:29.780
be moving forward fairly
quickly through this slide deck.
02:22:29.780 --> 02:22:32.980
I know you guys are, I've
been on for a few hours now
02:22:32.980 --> 02:22:36.710
and want to make sure that
we provide the information
02:22:36.710 --> 02:22:38.563
as efficiently as possible.
02:22:39.876 --> 02:22:43.520
And that would allow
also a good amount of time
02:22:43.520 --> 02:22:47.712
for conversation with
the contractors and with,
02:22:47.712 --> 02:22:52.380
and so if we could ask
that their questions are held
02:22:52.380 --> 02:22:54.700
to the end, that would
probably appreciate it.
02:22:54.700 --> 02:22:56.194
Before I go into the main slide deck,
02:22:56.194 --> 02:23:01.194
quick overview on funding,
the CARE proceeding was,
02:23:01.410 --> 02:23:04.703
as you all know, is, was
voted out on June 3rd.
02:23:05.570 --> 02:23:07.490
It for, in terms of changes,
02:23:07.490 --> 02:23:10.550
it approved the changes at
the current funding amount,
02:23:10.550 --> 02:23:11.998
through the full cycle.
02:23:11.998 --> 02:23:16.156
There's a proposal for
funding to move to the GRC.
02:23:16.156 --> 02:23:21.156
The ALG rejected that proposal
and decided that there was a,
02:23:22.366 --> 02:23:24.607
the CARE was a more stable vehicle.
02:23:24.607 --> 02:23:27.560
And also the concerns about the changes
02:23:27.560 --> 02:23:29.790
not addressing low-income was rejected
02:23:29.790 --> 02:23:33.270
by the ALJ because the evidence was felt
02:23:33.270 --> 02:23:35.390
to be sufficient that the program
02:23:35.390 --> 02:23:38.400
does address low-income customers,
02:23:38.400 --> 02:23:41.490
therefore making care
and appropriate vehicle.
02:23:41.490 --> 02:23:46.490
Also a we had made
a proposal to increase
02:23:46.680 --> 02:23:49.560
and expand the evaluations,
and increased funding.
02:23:49.560 --> 02:23:51.039
So that was approved also.
02:23:51.039 --> 02:23:53.850
So there'll be some evaluations starting
02:23:53.850 --> 02:23:56.630
within 12 months of the program.
02:23:56.630 --> 02:23:59.900
And that's really it at an
overall programmatic level,
02:23:59.900 --> 02:24:01.170
funding level.
02:24:01.170 --> 02:24:03.620
The evaluation will look
actually very interesting,
02:24:03.620 --> 02:24:05.820
but it'll look at the
future of the program
02:24:05.820 --> 02:24:07.966
and how it is being administered
02:24:07.966 --> 02:24:09.920
and answer questions such as size
02:24:09.920 --> 02:24:12.590
and funding source
and these sort of issues.
02:24:12.590 --> 02:24:13.890
So that'd be exciting.
02:24:13.890 --> 02:24:16.730
And a public workshop will be set up
02:24:16.730 --> 02:24:19.770
when that is in place.
02:24:19.770 --> 02:24:22.623
Okay, I'll live into
the next slide, please.
02:24:23.820 --> 02:24:28.583
Overall, despite the impact
of the pandemic changes,
02:24:28.583 --> 02:24:33.583
CVS continue to find ways to
reach out and deliver services
02:24:33.820 --> 02:24:35.270
to limited English customers.
02:24:36.210 --> 02:24:39.620
They provided information
and collected bills
02:24:39.620 --> 02:24:44.620
from customers during
using very innovative methods
02:24:46.740 --> 02:24:50.250
of using COVID-relief activities,
02:24:50.250 --> 02:24:52.100
particularly food deliveries,
02:24:52.100 --> 02:24:54.940
a lot of receivers
involved in food deliveries
02:24:54.940 --> 02:24:56.850
and pickups, food pickups.
02:24:56.850 --> 02:25:00.980
They also provide are
involved in providing assistance
02:25:00.980 --> 02:25:05.120
through for items
such as rental nutrition
02:25:05.120 --> 02:25:09.410
and COVID testing
sites, and vaccine clinics.
02:25:09.410 --> 02:25:13.180
So CBOs and been able to
use that to piggyback off that,
02:25:13.180 --> 02:25:18.180
to collect documents and
especially bills from customers.
02:25:19.020 --> 02:25:22.650
And in that way, they'd
be able to navigate
02:25:22.650 --> 02:25:24.900
the restrictions that are imposed
02:25:24.900 --> 02:25:28.373
by the shelter-in-place during
COVID, next slide, please.
02:25:29.480 --> 02:25:31.240
Just look quick pictorial on
02:25:31.240 --> 02:25:35.460
a food distribution event
with some consumers
02:25:35.460 --> 02:25:38.700
that are, have been
brought their bills with them,
02:25:38.700 --> 02:25:41.750
for CBS to look at and
review, and then help them
02:25:41.750 --> 02:25:45.220
with their bills.
02:25:45.220 --> 02:25:46.470
Okay, next slide, please.
02:25:49.080 --> 02:25:51.390
Changes and team has been responsive
02:25:51.390 --> 02:25:53.743
to newly implemented programs.
02:25:53.743 --> 02:25:57.060
Some of these are COVID-related.
02:25:57.060 --> 02:25:59.320
The first one at the top of
the eras management plan
02:25:59.320 --> 02:26:00.270
is not COVID-related.
02:26:00.270 --> 02:26:03.670
It's related to the disconnections
proceeding 18-00-7005.
02:26:06.470 --> 02:26:08.398
It's interesting that there's,
02:26:08.398 --> 02:26:11.944
the CBOs have already
signed up 373 people
02:26:11.944 --> 02:26:15.100
for the amp, in terms of COVID,
02:26:15.100 --> 02:26:17.440
there are two specific measures
02:26:17.440 --> 02:26:22.130
there where C changes,
CBS have been responsive
02:26:22.130 --> 02:26:23.773
and provide services.
02:26:25.200 --> 02:26:29.320
The emergency broadband
benefit was enrollment began
02:26:29.320 --> 02:26:32.380
in May, and there's
already been 68 households
02:26:32.380 --> 02:26:34.510
that are now receiving those discounts
02:26:34.510 --> 02:26:39.510
that are federally-funded
for eligible, economic
02:26:39.530 --> 02:26:42.260
eligible households.
02:26:42.260 --> 02:26:44.850
The CPUC resolution 488-4848,
02:26:48.640 --> 02:26:50.990
impose a moratorium on
telephone disconnections
02:26:52.440 --> 02:26:55.450
and on accounts, which
are self-start certified.
02:26:55.450 --> 02:27:00.450
CBOs have helped 292 different consumers
02:27:00.563 --> 02:27:04.260
with becoming certified
so that they are eligible
02:27:04.260 --> 02:27:07.670
for those, the benefits.
02:27:07.670 --> 02:27:08.870
Okay, next slide please.
02:27:10.810 --> 02:27:11.920
Needs and the disputes that are
02:27:11.920 --> 02:27:14.370
a form of individual case assistance,
02:27:14.370 --> 02:27:17.070
one of the main issues has
been collecting documents
02:27:17.070 --> 02:27:19.280
for the CBOs, but they've also, again,
02:27:19.280 --> 02:27:23.980
they've found different ways
to collect those documents.
02:27:23.980 --> 02:27:26.880
For example, phoning customers,
02:27:26.880 --> 02:27:31.880
consumers limiting as
consumers and describing
02:27:32.850 --> 02:27:34.740
how they can take the
photo of the documents
02:27:34.740 --> 02:27:38.280
and texting or emailing those documents,
02:27:38.280 --> 02:27:41.110
sometimes driving to
contacting a consumer
02:27:41.110 --> 02:27:44.390
and asking them to place the documents
02:27:44.390 --> 02:27:45.790
outside their house,
02:27:45.790 --> 02:27:49.060
so they could go themselves
to pick up from outside
02:27:49.060 --> 02:27:52.483
and have a contact-less
pickup encouraging.
02:27:52.483 --> 02:27:56.210
As we've mentioned
at COVID relief events
02:27:56.210 --> 02:27:58.540
and encouraging
consumers to bring documents
02:27:58.540 --> 02:28:00.540
with them so they
can collect them there.
02:28:00.540 --> 02:28:01.490
Next slide, please.
02:28:03.510 --> 02:28:05.103
They've been, Steve has been helping
02:28:05.103 --> 02:28:07.680
because she was setting
up their online accounts
02:28:07.680 --> 02:28:10.239
and walking them through
the process remotely
02:28:10.239 --> 02:28:12.933
and helping them in that way.
02:28:14.700 --> 02:28:16.587
Calling, just getting on the phone,
02:28:16.587 --> 02:28:19.590
calling previous clients
and trying to complete
02:28:19.590 --> 02:28:22.300
a bill review and provide information
02:28:22.300 --> 02:28:25.650
about COVID release
policies to consumers,
02:28:25.650 --> 02:28:27.610
so they can benefit
from their information
02:28:27.610 --> 02:28:31.320
and their technical
assistance in language,
02:28:31.320 --> 02:28:35.513
in it and culturally relevant to.
02:28:36.360 --> 02:28:38.990
They've sent them
clients address envelopes
02:28:40.580 --> 02:28:42.662
that which has been helpful.
02:28:42.662 --> 02:28:45.690
It can cause some
delays because of the mail
02:28:45.690 --> 02:28:47.990
and collecting and
entering the documents.
02:28:47.990 --> 02:28:49.093
Next slide, please.
02:28:50.760 --> 02:28:54.780
Okay, as an overall,
yeah, kind of snapshot here.
02:28:54.780 --> 02:28:58.570
This is between November
and May of November last year,
02:28:58.570 --> 02:29:03.290
May of this year that needs
assistance or needs assistance
02:29:03.290 --> 02:29:06.070
is specifically where a
consumer needs to support,
02:29:06.070 --> 02:29:09.750
but it's not related to a
dispute they're not in dispute
02:29:09.750 --> 02:29:12.550
and they don't find that the
value is acted incorrectly.
02:29:12.550 --> 02:29:14.143
It's more that they have a need.
02:29:15.660 --> 02:29:17.430
As we've seen that over this program
02:29:17.430 --> 02:29:19.710
for many years, several years now,
02:29:19.710 --> 02:29:24.469
LIHEAP is the emergency
payment is the largest component.
02:29:24.469 --> 02:29:28.900
We've seen this for a
number of years and yeah,
02:29:28.900 --> 02:29:31.933
looking down at those
needs assistance of those five,
02:29:33.200 --> 02:29:36.440
for them are directly related
to financial assistance.
02:29:36.440 --> 02:29:39.200
It's interesting that AMP
has jumped up to the second
02:29:39.200 --> 02:29:42.415
on that list in a fairly short time,
02:29:42.415 --> 02:29:43.980
it's only been since February.
02:29:43.980 --> 02:29:47.350
Disputes, gas aggregation
continues to be an issue.
02:29:47.350 --> 02:29:49.630
That's one, that's again,
been there for many years.
02:29:49.630 --> 02:29:52.802
Electricity aggregation
is more of a recent area
02:29:52.802 --> 02:29:55.010
and I'm going to get a Q and A,
02:29:55.010 --> 02:29:56.790
I think maybe a case
you might want to say
02:29:56.790 --> 02:29:59.950
a few words about that and assistance.
02:29:59.950 --> 02:30:02.993
Again, financial assistance
applications and help with,
02:30:04.071 --> 02:30:08.030
to joining programs is a common issue
02:30:08.030 --> 02:30:10.480
that folks with their own
dispute are also helped
02:30:10.480 --> 02:30:13.930
with as part of an overall
case management approach
02:30:13.930 --> 02:30:15.590
to the CBOs use.
02:30:15.590 --> 02:30:17.423
Can I have the next slide, please.
02:30:19.583 --> 02:30:22.800
This program is aimed
at outreach, education,
02:30:22.800 --> 02:30:24.210
and case assistance.
02:30:24.210 --> 02:30:27.760
So education has during the pandemic
02:30:27.760 --> 02:30:31.140
as many shifted to
remote online classes,
02:30:31.140 --> 02:30:34.410
the contractor has had to convert all
02:30:34.410 --> 02:30:38.020
of their education
materials onto, into a format,
02:30:38.020 --> 02:30:43.020
which is useful and can
be easily accessible online.
02:30:43.940 --> 02:30:46.960
So it's been a major
undertaking that they've had to go
02:30:46.960 --> 02:30:48.910
through and they've managed to do that.
02:30:50.457 --> 02:30:53.900
And they found that going
remotely has had success,
02:30:54.970 --> 02:30:58.830
but it's, there are concerns about the,
02:30:58.830 --> 02:31:02.123
particularly with the
population that are targeted,
02:31:03.230 --> 02:31:06.210
they can have some
difficulties with the technology
02:31:06.210 --> 02:31:10.290
and with, and also their
issues around the internet
02:31:12.450 --> 02:31:16.610
services that this, that the
population has access to,
02:31:16.610 --> 02:31:20.540
or so there are some concerns.
02:31:20.540 --> 02:31:23.440
Other issues are attendance,
from operational standpoint
02:31:23.440 --> 02:31:27.640
is they find it hard to receive
attendance signatures,
02:31:27.640 --> 02:31:30.080
and definitely the facilitating
group conversations,
02:31:30.080 --> 02:31:35.080
which are difficult with
this kind of a group,
02:31:35.230 --> 02:31:36.750
and evaluations also been difficult.
02:31:36.750 --> 02:31:38.250
It's really hard to evaluate a program
02:31:38.250 --> 02:31:39.600
during the middle of a pandemic.
02:31:39.600 --> 02:31:43.513
So I think that's been
suspended for the time being.
02:31:45.120 --> 02:31:46.070
Next slide, please.
02:31:47.210 --> 02:31:49.213
It's not an ideal delivery method.
02:31:50.516 --> 02:31:51.360
And as I mentioned,
02:31:51.360 --> 02:31:54.070
low-income programs
may not provide speeds
02:31:54.070 --> 02:31:56.690
that adequately accommodate
the meeting platform.
02:31:56.690 --> 02:31:58.600
So that's been a constraint.
02:31:58.600 --> 02:32:01.440
Many me may, many
also lack computer access
02:32:01.440 --> 02:32:03.470
to the computers that they need.
02:32:03.470 --> 02:32:04.830
Some of these meeting platforms,
02:32:04.830 --> 02:32:07.190
the verbal instructions
are not easy to follow.
02:32:07.190 --> 02:32:08.980
So that's been another challenge.
02:32:08.980 --> 02:32:11.410
So overall, it, there
is some concern that,
02:32:11.410 --> 02:32:13.810
it's not, we're not reaching
some of the customers
02:32:13.810 --> 02:32:15.940
that are hard to reach and vulnerable
02:32:15.940 --> 02:32:18.363
that the program would like to reach.
02:32:19.690 --> 02:32:24.690
Another concern is that
education can be more effective.
02:32:25.777 --> 02:32:30.660
In-person many learners
require different kinds of methods
02:32:30.660 --> 02:32:33.390
to facilitate their learning.
02:32:33.390 --> 02:32:36.250
For example, hands-on
aids or group discussions,
02:32:36.250 --> 02:32:40.273
or just being in that personal
environment is beneficial.
02:32:41.330 --> 02:32:42.900
Next slide, please.
02:32:42.900 --> 02:32:45.250
Overall, looking at
the education numbers,
02:32:45.250 --> 02:32:47.580
I think it's interesting
to look at, if you look at,
02:32:47.580 --> 02:32:48.800
if you go for it to the left,
02:32:48.800 --> 02:32:50.620
the left side of the first bar,
02:32:50.620 --> 02:32:52.530
that's kind of the
baseline that starting
02:32:52.530 --> 02:32:55.910
in sort of end of 2019,
beginning of 2020,
02:32:55.910 --> 02:33:00.910
that's really where we
were 11, in a quarterly basis,
02:33:01.410 --> 02:33:04.260
close to 11,000 customers educated.
02:33:04.260 --> 02:33:05.540
As you move to the right,
02:33:05.540 --> 02:33:07.520
you'll see that there's
a reduction as we go
02:33:07.520 --> 02:33:11.340
into the pandemic that
the trough was in June
02:33:11.340 --> 02:33:15.020
to August and their struggles
with educating folks online
02:33:15.860 --> 02:33:18.840
are already shown there
in that data, as we get
02:33:18.840 --> 02:33:20.460
to September of that year
02:33:20.460 --> 02:33:22.920
and you see the CBOs
and the contractors,
02:33:22.920 --> 02:33:26.910
the lead contractors have
pivoted to try to continue
02:33:26.910 --> 02:33:29.968
the administration of education, but,
02:33:29.968 --> 02:33:33.910
and with some success and,
02:33:33.910 --> 02:33:36.330
but looking at those last two bars,
02:33:36.330 --> 02:33:38.750
you can see that
we're still less than half
02:33:38.750 --> 02:33:40.900
of what we were in end of 2019.
02:33:40.900 --> 02:33:42.127
So they've done a great job,
02:33:42.127 --> 02:33:44.980
but I think it's a
challenging environment.
02:33:44.980 --> 02:33:47.790
And I think that they've
continued to do really well,
02:33:47.790 --> 02:33:52.790
really well to get through
and try to administer
02:33:52.820 --> 02:33:53.653
more these classes.
02:33:53.653 --> 02:33:55.070
So we'll see, as things open up, well,
02:33:55.070 --> 02:33:57.570
hopefully those numbers
will start to increase,
02:33:57.570 --> 02:34:01.830
but also, we've wanted to
have learnings from this program.
02:34:01.830 --> 02:34:03.880
And I think as we all have,
02:34:03.880 --> 02:34:05.000
we've learned from the program
02:34:05.000 --> 02:34:09.040
and how we deliver
information and services,
02:34:09.040 --> 02:34:11.480
I think is there are some learnings,
02:34:11.480 --> 02:34:12.730
I think during this time.
02:34:13.920 --> 02:34:15.160
Next slide, please.
02:34:15.160 --> 02:34:16.347
Overall outreach, again,
02:34:16.347 --> 02:34:20.363
has been because in-person
events have been mostly canceled.
02:34:21.566 --> 02:34:23.133
The kind, the CBOs I'm trying
02:34:23.133 --> 02:34:25.893
to piggy-bank off drive-through events,
02:34:26.810 --> 02:34:28.530
social media has become more of
02:34:28.530 --> 02:34:31.760
a prevalent form of outreach,
02:34:31.760 --> 02:34:36.670
many because of the
absence of the in-person events.
02:34:36.670 --> 02:34:38.790
There are some issues with it, again,
02:34:38.790 --> 02:34:41.670
reaching some of the hard
to reach and vulnerable.
02:34:41.670 --> 02:34:44.530
And those that don't
have not technically have
02:34:44.530 --> 02:34:46.897
don't have access to the technology
02:34:46.897 --> 02:34:49.240
or the knowledge to use it.
02:34:49.240 --> 02:34:54.240
So there are some concerns there, again,
02:34:54.430 --> 02:34:56.300
we're bill fairs were a type of outreach
02:34:56.300 --> 02:34:58.910
that those are mostly
all actually all canceled,
02:34:58.910 --> 02:35:02.213
that there were none in last period.
02:35:02.213 --> 02:35:05.790
Media have also been
compromised because access
02:35:05.790 --> 02:35:10.460
to broadcasting
facilities has been limited,
02:35:10.460 --> 02:35:12.460
but where the broadcasts
have happened, they've been,
02:35:12.460 --> 02:35:13.640
there's been a special emphasis
02:35:13.640 --> 02:35:16.210
on COVID related protections,
02:35:16.210 --> 02:35:17.760
and you can see the numbers that are,
02:35:17.760 --> 02:35:18.790
these are quite low compared
02:35:18.790 --> 02:35:19.920
to what we've seen in other years.
02:35:19.920 --> 02:35:22.100
So I think we're there, with that,
02:35:22.100 --> 02:35:23.913
I'll bring the presentation
02:35:26.452 --> 02:35:30.733
to a close and move to two Q and A,
02:35:31.728 --> 02:35:35.133
and hear the program context,
Annie, Casey, and myself.
02:35:37.180 --> 02:35:38.013
Okay, thank you.
02:35:38.013 --> 02:35:40.230
I'm a couple of questions,
02:35:40.230 --> 02:35:44.393
but I'll open it up the
members of the board first.
02:35:48.890 --> 02:35:50.877
Okay, great, I'll make it easier for me.
02:35:50.877 --> 02:35:53.627
So, oh, go ahead.
02:35:53.627 --> 02:35:55.800
Sorry, by the time
I found a little hand
02:35:55.800 --> 02:36:00.800
where it's amazing, thank you, Robbie,
02:36:01.370 --> 02:36:03.560
for this presentation.
02:36:03.560 --> 02:36:05.550
And despite all the challenges,
02:36:05.550 --> 02:36:08.307
I think that the numbers are really good
02:36:08.307 --> 02:36:11.510
in amazing efforts going
on in the community
02:36:11.510 --> 02:36:15.100
and taking an opportunity
to also do double work.
02:36:15.100 --> 02:36:19.690
So my hats off tool of your
team and changes participants,
02:36:19.690 --> 02:36:22.170
because it really was so necessary.
02:36:22.170 --> 02:36:25.380
And yeah, I've also
seen so much efforts to,
02:36:25.380 --> 02:36:28.860
through social media
platforms, like on Facebook,
02:36:28.860 --> 02:36:30.600
being shared and stuff like that.
02:36:30.600 --> 02:36:32.670
So I think that was really
bad and to have them
02:36:32.670 --> 02:36:35.930
on interviews and also my hats off
02:36:35.930 --> 02:36:39.520
to the IOUs for at least my area PG&E.
02:36:39.520 --> 02:36:42.340
I did see a lot of
efforts with correlating
02:36:42.340 --> 02:36:44.853
with other organizations on there,
02:36:44.853 --> 02:36:47.980
their presentations online too,
02:36:47.980 --> 02:36:52.200
to talk about AMP
and the other services.
02:36:52.200 --> 02:36:54.120
But thank you so much, great work.
02:36:54.120 --> 02:36:54.953
Thank you.
02:36:54.953 --> 02:36:55.852
And preventative too,
02:36:55.852 --> 02:36:59.318
is that the credit goes to
Casey and Annie and their team,
02:36:59.318 --> 02:37:00.860
and the CBO is themselves individually,
02:37:00.860 --> 02:37:02.160
but the work that they do.
02:37:06.210 --> 02:37:08.520
Oh, please go ahead.
02:37:08.520 --> 02:37:09.633
I'll be real brief.
02:37:10.750 --> 02:37:12.993
Connie Chung, are you on the line?
02:37:15.140 --> 02:37:17.140
I think it's been 25 years.
02:37:17.140 --> 02:37:18.763
I just wanted to say hello.
02:37:19.850 --> 02:37:22.100
Sorry, hi, Robert.
02:37:22.100 --> 02:37:23.400
How are you doing?
02:37:23.400 --> 02:37:24.370
I'm good.
02:37:24.370 --> 02:37:25.543
Good to see you.
02:37:25.543 --> 02:37:26.513
Good to see you.
02:37:30.360 --> 02:37:31.950
Very good.
02:37:31.950 --> 02:37:34.500
Well, I just had a really brief comment.
02:37:34.500 --> 02:37:36.110
I know we all want to
get to lunch with reduced
02:37:36.110 --> 02:37:38.680
really thank you, Ravi,
02:37:38.680 --> 02:37:43.680
for the presentation and Casey
and the whole Changes team.
02:37:45.110 --> 02:37:48.220
One thing I noted from your
presentation was a point that
02:37:48.220 --> 02:37:52.250
noted that remote consumer
education does not reach the most
02:37:52.250 --> 02:37:53.930
vulnerable consumers.
02:37:53.930 --> 02:37:57.440
And I just really wanted to
underscore that point because
02:37:57.440 --> 02:37:59.610
the board has spent a
lot of time over the years,
02:37:59.610 --> 02:38:04.470
talking about coordinated
outreach and leveraging existing
02:38:04.470 --> 02:38:08.270
efforts to integrate other
efforts to improve overall
02:38:08.270 --> 02:38:12.500
penetration rates, program
effectiveness, et cetera.
02:38:12.500 --> 02:38:15.740
And it seems like there's another
good case in point example
02:38:15.740 --> 02:38:19.440
here where, when it was most necessary,
02:38:19.440 --> 02:38:24.180
things like vaccination
trips and other things
02:38:24.180 --> 02:38:27.590
for leverage is instances of opportunity
02:38:27.590 --> 02:38:29.770
to provide other services and resources
02:38:29.770 --> 02:38:32.370
that might be helpful
for the same families.
02:38:32.370 --> 02:38:34.160
And so I really just want to come in,
02:38:34.160 --> 02:38:36.740
the Changes team and
the CEOs that they work with
02:38:38.004 --> 02:38:40.490
because through my gainful employment,
02:38:40.490 --> 02:38:41.560
there's a lot of what we've been doing
02:38:41.560 --> 02:38:44.500
the last year from the
supply side of things.
02:38:44.500 --> 02:38:47.980
And I've heard a lot about
the extraordinary measures
02:38:47.980 --> 02:38:50.620
that all of these frontline workers
02:38:50.620 --> 02:38:53.680
who were deemed essential
had been going through
02:38:53.680 --> 02:38:57.240
with home visits for
really simple things, really,
02:38:57.240 --> 02:38:59.010
but critical if you don't have them.
02:38:59.010 --> 02:39:03.753
And so in any case,
I wanted to note one,
02:39:03.753 --> 02:39:07.300
two, just commend the
work to just that finding
02:39:07.300 --> 02:39:09.360
about remote consumer outreach.
02:39:09.360 --> 02:39:11.230
I, there's a reason why big, large
02:39:11.230 --> 02:39:13.550
well-resourced corporations
are moving away
02:39:13.550 --> 02:39:17.000
from traditional TV,
radio, billboard media
02:39:17.000 --> 02:39:20.830
targeted digital coverage,
because it's much more effective.
02:39:20.830 --> 02:39:22.047
And I think it's that.
02:39:22.047 --> 02:39:25.046
And what we learned from
your presentation here, Robbie is,
02:39:25.046 --> 02:39:29.260
are two good points of why
perhaps coordinating outreach
02:39:29.260 --> 02:39:31.830
for some of the programs
that we oversee and advise
02:39:31.830 --> 02:39:36.110
the Commission on might be worthy
02:39:36.110 --> 02:39:38.780
of consideration of
leveraging on to other things
02:39:38.780 --> 02:39:42.500
that are systematic and
already verifying the incomes
02:39:42.500 --> 02:39:45.580
because it's the same
people and the same family.
02:39:45.580 --> 02:39:47.920
And there hasn't been
a whole lot of opportunity
02:39:47.920 --> 02:39:51.057
to really reflect on the
lessons of the last year
02:39:51.057 --> 02:39:53.200
and a half when I
think that's a big one.
02:39:53.200 --> 02:39:55.570
So that was my main comment,
02:39:55.570 --> 02:40:00.343
but happy to open it up to any
other members of the board.
02:40:02.403 --> 02:40:05.593
So the board, Lisa had
your Andrea, sorry, Lisa.
02:40:06.650 --> 02:40:07.483
Hi, thank you.
02:40:07.483 --> 02:40:08.810
I just had a question, Ravi,
02:40:08.810 --> 02:40:11.650
about the metrics slide
about the people benefiting
02:40:11.650 --> 02:40:13.050
from the different programs.
02:40:13.050 --> 02:40:14.942
Are those all individually counted
02:40:14.942 --> 02:40:19.330
or are people using multiple programs
02:40:19.330 --> 02:40:24.330
and respond, hi, Lisa,
02:40:28.800 --> 02:40:32.740
are you asking about
the education numbers?
02:40:32.740 --> 02:40:36.360
No, I'm asking about the
slide with the different programs
02:40:36.360 --> 02:40:38.100
like people are benefiting
from the light heat.
02:40:38.100 --> 02:40:39.780
I think it was the two sides.
02:40:39.780 --> 02:40:41.400
The most predominant issues.
02:40:41.400 --> 02:40:44.210
So some of those may be duplicated.
02:40:44.210 --> 02:40:49.130
So for example, if a client has a need,
02:40:49.130 --> 02:40:50.520
maybe their bill is too high
02:40:50.520 --> 02:40:55.139
and they can't make their payments,
02:40:55.139 --> 02:40:56.950
they may be enrolled in HEAP,
02:40:56.950 --> 02:40:59.000
and then added to Medical Baseline.
02:40:59.000 --> 02:41:01.380
And of course, we'll make
sure they're already on CARE.
02:41:01.380 --> 02:41:06.050
They may also need to
get an outside payment
02:41:06.050 --> 02:41:07.900
from a church or something like that
02:41:07.900 --> 02:41:10.190
in order to get their
bill down low enough.
02:41:10.190 --> 02:41:11.090
I'm speaking of course,
02:41:11.090 --> 02:41:12.770
when there's not a moratorium in order
02:41:12.770 --> 02:41:15.750
to enter into a payment
plan, those kinds of things.
02:41:15.750 --> 02:41:20.352
So those numbers may be
duplicated, in our regular reports,
02:41:20.352 --> 02:41:25.352
we'll show the exact number of
people who use these services
02:41:27.250 --> 02:41:29.200
or the exact number of cases.
02:41:29.200 --> 02:41:32.500
And then the number of
services provided in those cases.
02:41:32.500 --> 02:41:35.303
So that chart is the
number of services provided.
02:41:36.900 --> 02:41:37.733
Thank you.
02:41:37.733 --> 02:41:39.150
And then do you also break out,
02:41:39.150 --> 02:41:42.320
like if there's new
customers that you're serving
02:41:42.320 --> 02:41:47.320
versus like repeat or different
02:41:47.340 --> 02:41:49.123
for people entering programs?
02:41:50.050 --> 02:41:51.590
One of the things
that we're doing,
02:41:51.590 --> 02:41:55.630
we were like just now
finalizing some changes
02:41:55.630 --> 02:41:56.850
to our data collection.
02:41:56.850 --> 02:41:59.190
And so what we've we're doing is
02:41:59.190 --> 02:42:02.990
we're breaking out
each program separately.
02:42:02.990 --> 02:42:05.460
So while you're seeing
now like enrollment
02:42:05.460 --> 02:42:07.350
in assistance programs,
02:42:07.350 --> 02:42:09.220
those will all be broken out separately.
02:42:09.220 --> 02:42:10.180
And then we'll ask,
02:42:10.180 --> 02:42:13.670
is this a new enrollment
or a re-certification,
02:42:13.670 --> 02:42:18.373
but you won't see those
numbers probably until September.
02:42:20.520 --> 02:42:21.353
Thank you.
02:42:24.520 --> 02:42:25.790
Okay.
02:42:25.790 --> 02:42:29.213
Other questions or comments
from members of the board?
02:42:30.810 --> 02:42:33.157
Terrific, well, I think
it's really important.
02:42:33.157 --> 02:42:34.740
We all have an hour for lunch,
02:42:34.740 --> 02:42:38.550
so we'll come back at 10 after one.
02:42:38.550 --> 02:42:39.750
I'll see everybody then.
02:43:09.249 --> 02:43:10.340
Thank you.
02:43:10.340 --> 02:43:11.610
Everyone could come back.
02:43:11.610 --> 02:43:13.333
We're going to get started.
02:43:17.160 --> 02:43:20.380
Hi Benito, before you
Dan, can I just make
02:43:20.380 --> 02:43:23.493
a few announcements about the chat box?
02:43:26.890 --> 02:43:28.840
Also, I don't know if you noticed,
02:43:28.840 --> 02:43:30.451
but your webcam is
pointing up at the ceiling.
02:43:30.451 --> 02:43:31.943
All right, excellent.
02:43:32.790 --> 02:43:36.973
I think we look like, have a quorum
02:43:36.973 --> 02:43:40.190
and it looks like my
camera, the ceiling.
02:43:40.190 --> 02:43:42.900
I never had self view
on, cause I don't like it.
02:43:42.900 --> 02:43:45.583
So let me, there you go.
02:43:46.820 --> 02:43:48.760
Hopefully you guys didn't
see my Grateful Dead art,
02:43:48.760 --> 02:43:50.480
but if you did, I hope you enjoyed it.
02:43:50.480 --> 02:43:54.840
So anyway, we're going to resume.
02:43:54.840 --> 02:43:59.840
I believe we left off on item eight,
02:44:01.440 --> 02:44:06.017
which were recommendations
pursuing to resolution 4849,
02:44:06.017 --> 02:44:08.590
and related matters.
02:44:08.590 --> 02:44:12.790
And I believe we have Ben
Menzies returning to the board
02:44:12.790 --> 02:44:14.103
for a presentation.
02:44:19.540 --> 02:44:21.610
Oh, and sorry about that.
02:44:21.610 --> 02:44:23.130
Before we get started,
02:44:23.130 --> 02:44:25.320
I think there were a couple
of really quick housekeeping
02:44:25.320 --> 02:44:27.283
matters, sorry about that, Ben.
02:44:28.130 --> 02:44:30.103
Jillian, would you
like to address those?
02:44:31.760 --> 02:44:33.472
Yes, thank you.
02:44:33.472 --> 02:44:37.260
So hi, am I on mute?
02:44:37.260 --> 02:44:38.490
Can people hear me?
02:44:40.532 --> 02:44:42.180
Yeah, can you hear me?
02:44:42.180 --> 02:44:43.080
We can hear you.
02:44:43.980 --> 02:44:48.773
I think it's okay.
02:44:49.810 --> 02:44:52.630
So we have expanded the chat feature
02:44:52.630 --> 02:44:55.530
for meeting participants a little bit,
02:44:55.530 --> 02:44:58.750
but we are asking that if any
members of the public have
02:44:58.750 --> 02:45:03.450
questions or comments
to message to all panelists,
02:45:03.450 --> 02:45:05.290
and I'll put this
reminder in the chat box,
02:45:05.290 --> 02:45:09.500
but not message to
all that affects some of
02:45:09.500 --> 02:45:13.110
our streaming of the meeting.
02:45:13.110 --> 02:45:15.030
So questions or comments should go
02:45:15.030 --> 02:45:19.470
to all panelists that
would be appreciated.
02:45:19.470 --> 02:45:23.740
And then the second is
following this agenda item agenda
02:45:23.740 --> 02:45:27.162
item nine will be the IOU report outs,
02:45:27.162 --> 02:45:28.910
which is just question and answer.
02:45:28.910 --> 02:45:32.380
But if there are any IOU
staff that EAD panelists
02:45:32.380 --> 02:45:34.920
capabilities and they
have not received it,
02:45:34.920 --> 02:45:36.960
please message myself or the host.
02:45:36.960 --> 02:45:39.963
We can get you set
up in advance of that,
02:45:40.940 --> 02:45:43.140
not this agenda item,
but the one following.
02:45:45.930 --> 02:45:46.830
That's all I have,
02:45:47.770 --> 02:45:48.957
Okay, thank you, Jillian ,
02:45:48.957 --> 02:45:52.263
and sorry for the technical
difficulties of mine once more.
02:45:53.176 --> 02:45:56.590
With that, we'll start
with item eight then
02:45:56.590 --> 02:45:58.513
whenever you're ready, please proceed.
02:46:00.020 --> 02:46:01.303
Sure thing.
02:46:03.170 --> 02:46:05.038
Good afternoon, Chair and Members.
02:46:05.038 --> 02:46:09.340
And thank you for the
opportunity to speak with you today.
02:46:09.340 --> 02:46:12.140
As mentioned, that my
name is Ben Menzies.
02:46:12.140 --> 02:46:17.140
I'm an Analyst here in Energy
Division at the CPUC and our
02:46:17.260 --> 02:46:20.570
presentation is regarding
follow-up to the recommendations
02:46:20.570 --> 02:46:23.750
made by this board in response
to the emergency customer
02:46:23.750 --> 02:46:25.980
protections transition plans filed
02:46:25.980 --> 02:46:30.980
by utilities as required
by resolution M-4849.
02:46:31.360 --> 02:46:34.430
Responding to these
recommendations has really been
02:46:34.430 --> 02:46:38.310
a team effort across
Energy Division and beyond.
02:46:38.310 --> 02:46:41.420
So in addition to myself, I
have a few other colleagues,
02:46:41.420 --> 02:46:43.160
Janell Shu, Mia Hart,
02:46:43.160 --> 02:46:46.660
and of course Gillian here
who will also be presenting
02:46:46.660 --> 02:46:48.713
on different recommendations.
02:46:49.650 --> 02:46:51.023
Next slide, please.
02:46:54.330 --> 02:46:55.450
So to level set,
02:46:55.450 --> 02:46:59.160
these were the eight
recommendations identified by LIOB in
02:46:59.160 --> 02:47:02.610
its letter to the IOUs following
review of the transition
02:47:02.610 --> 02:47:06.603
plans, and we are going to
address them one-by-one.
02:47:07.460 --> 02:47:09.400
So here they are.
02:47:09.400 --> 02:47:10.693
Next slide, please.
02:47:13.460 --> 02:47:18.460
So first up is regarding
extreme climate protections.
02:47:18.720 --> 02:47:23.210
LIOB recommended adopting
a seven-day or 168-hour
02:47:23.210 --> 02:47:25.870
look ahead window for
extreme temperatures,
02:47:25.870 --> 02:47:28.490
including above 100 degrees Fahrenheit
02:47:28.490 --> 02:47:30.950
or below 32 degrees Fahrenheit,
02:47:30.950 --> 02:47:33.060
so that customers would
not be disconnected
02:47:33.060 --> 02:47:36.770
if temperatures were forecast
to exceed these thresholds
02:47:36.770 --> 02:47:39.210
in the next seven days.
02:47:39.210 --> 02:47:42.800
LIOB recommended implementing
this on a temporary basis for
02:47:42.800 --> 02:47:45.940
the remainder of this calendar
year and ultimately adopting
02:47:45.940 --> 02:47:47.710
it as a permanent measure.
02:47:47.710 --> 02:47:51.640
LIOB also recommended
establishing an emergency restoration
02:47:51.640 --> 02:47:54.980
policy to reconnect customers
who have been disconnected on
02:47:54.980 --> 02:47:56.600
a temporary basis.
02:47:56.600 --> 02:47:59.360
So the customers could receive
service during these extreme
02:47:59.360 --> 02:48:00.430
weather events,
02:48:00.430 --> 02:48:03.570
even if they had been
disconnected previously,
02:48:03.570 --> 02:48:06.370
although LIOB would be
acknowledged that it was beyond
02:48:06.370 --> 02:48:08.183
the scope of the transition plans.
02:48:09.380 --> 02:48:11.123
Next slide, please.
02:48:12.700 --> 02:48:15.540
So this recommendation
was not adopted by the utilities
02:48:15.540 --> 02:48:20.170
at this time, for context,
the current rules establish
02:48:20.170 --> 02:48:23.330
a three-day or 72-hour look ahead window
02:48:23.330 --> 02:48:26.430
for these extreme weather
events during which utilities
02:48:26.430 --> 02:48:28.540
may not disconnect customers and using
02:48:28.540 --> 02:48:32.183
the same temperature thresholds
that LIOB recommended,
02:48:33.421 --> 02:48:36.380
that rule was established
in the disconnections
02:48:36.380 --> 02:48:38.860
proceeding for which
I'm the lead analyst.
02:48:38.860 --> 02:48:43.860
That proceeding is R-18-0-7005.
02:48:44.290 --> 02:48:47.390
And the rule was established
first on a temporary basis
02:48:47.390 --> 02:48:52.200
in decision 18-12-013 in 2018,
02:48:52.200 --> 02:48:54.640
and then subsequently
made permanent in decision
02:48:54.640 --> 02:48:59.640
20-06-003, which was passed
last June by the Commission.
02:49:01.090 --> 02:49:03.500
Given that the current
rule was established in that
02:49:03.500 --> 02:49:06.100
proceeding in two separate decisions,
02:49:06.100 --> 02:49:08.890
the disconnections proceeding
is likely the most appropriate
02:49:08.890 --> 02:49:11.740
procedural venue
for modifying that rule.
02:49:11.740 --> 02:49:14.810
So I wanted to provide an
update on where things stand in
02:49:14.810 --> 02:49:16.930
that proceeding very briefly.
02:49:16.930 --> 02:49:19.550
Currently, that proceeding is focused on
02:49:19.550 --> 02:49:20.990
considering a percentage of
02:49:20.990 --> 02:49:24.430
income-based payment plan pilot program.
02:49:24.430 --> 02:49:26.450
This would allow low-income customers
02:49:26.450 --> 02:49:29.150
who are particularly
vulnerable to disconnection,
02:49:29.150 --> 02:49:31.860
to enroll and receive bills
that are determined based
02:49:31.860 --> 02:49:36.030
on income rather than
based solely on usage.
02:49:36.030 --> 02:49:38.350
And there are a lot of
complicated issues to consider
02:49:38.350 --> 02:49:40.220
in establishing that pilot.
02:49:40.220 --> 02:49:43.390
So we've been soliciting input
from parties and are actually
02:49:43.390 --> 02:49:46.470
about to put out a ruling for
comment that will describe
02:49:46.470 --> 02:49:50.616
our current thinking on the
proposal in a bit more detail.
02:49:50.616 --> 02:49:55.540
And the anticipation right
now is that we'll hopefully have
02:49:55.540 --> 02:49:58.420
a decision in that phase of
the proceeding regarding the
02:49:58.420 --> 02:50:02.423
percentage of income
payment plans around October.
02:50:04.060 --> 02:50:08.300
After that decision is
voted on and issued,
02:50:08.300 --> 02:50:11.970
the current plan is to
move to a phase one-A,
02:50:11.970 --> 02:50:13.290
in the proceeding,
02:50:13.290 --> 02:50:16.670
which will examine the
applicability of the rules already
02:50:16.670 --> 02:50:19.050
established in the
proceeding to small and
02:50:19.050 --> 02:50:22.930
multi-jurisdictional utilities
who so far have not been
02:50:22.930 --> 02:50:26.083
affected by any of the rules
established in this proceeding.
02:50:27.110 --> 02:50:27.943
However,
02:50:27.943 --> 02:50:30.850
I did want to note that the
scope of the proceeding
02:50:30.850 --> 02:50:32.790
for phase one-A is,
02:50:32.790 --> 02:50:36.620
does currently include
quote, "Other safety issues,"
02:50:36.620 --> 02:50:39.900
which the Commission
should consider in phase one-A.
02:50:39.900 --> 02:50:44.220
So it's not particularly,
it's not specifically defined,
02:50:44.220 --> 02:50:47.960
but that might be an avenue
for considering something like
02:50:47.960 --> 02:50:52.932
the temperature policies
described in the LIOB's letter.
02:50:52.932 --> 02:50:55.860
And then after phase one-A,
02:50:55.860 --> 02:51:00.500
the Commission is currently
planning to move to a phase two
02:51:00.500 --> 02:51:01.930
in this proceeding,
02:51:01.930 --> 02:51:04.110
which will include more
fundamental reforms
02:51:04.110 --> 02:51:07.090
to disconnection policies.
02:51:07.090 --> 02:51:10.210
The relationship between
rate payers and utilities,
02:51:10.210 --> 02:51:14.970
and could include this emergency
restoration policy concept
02:51:14.970 --> 02:51:17.440
that was described by LIOB as it,
02:51:17.440 --> 02:51:22.080
I think it would count as a
fairly fundamental reform,
02:51:22.080 --> 02:51:24.100
but that would require a modification to
02:51:24.100 --> 02:51:26.767
the existing 72-hour rule set forth
02:51:26.767 --> 02:51:31.767
in D20-06-003 as discussed above.
02:51:31.930 --> 02:51:33.995
So those are the current,
02:51:33.995 --> 02:51:36.717
that's what's in the pipeline
for this proceeding now,
02:51:36.717 --> 02:51:38.110
it's fairly packed,
02:51:38.110 --> 02:51:42.060
but it's also been a
proceeding with a lot of twists
02:51:42.060 --> 02:51:43.040
and turns so far.
02:51:43.040 --> 02:51:45.930
So there may be other opportunities
02:51:45.930 --> 02:51:48.010
to consider it as
part of the other items
02:51:48.010 --> 02:51:49.810
being considered in that proceeding.
02:51:50.980 --> 02:51:52.503
Next slide, please.
02:51:57.130 --> 02:51:59.880
And I believe I'm going to
turn it over now to Gillian.
02:52:02.470 --> 02:52:04.000
Thank you, Ben.
02:52:04.000 --> 02:52:08.720
So the LIOB's second
recommendation was on increasing CARE
02:52:08.720 --> 02:52:13.120
subsidies for the most
vulnerable, increasing the subsidy
02:52:13.120 --> 02:52:15.503
to 50% as part of AMP.
02:52:16.370 --> 02:52:19.520
And this recommendation
would be for households believed
02:52:19.520 --> 02:52:22.303
to be at a high risk of
a future disconnection.
02:52:23.730 --> 02:52:26.645
Increasing the care subsidy
would be a way to reduce their
02:52:26.645 --> 02:52:28.363
financial burden.
02:52:29.920 --> 02:52:31.023
Next slide, please.
02:52:33.550 --> 02:52:36.270
In the utilities transition plan
02:52:36.270 --> 02:52:39.890
advice letters, which
they filed in response,
02:52:39.890 --> 02:52:44.890
they noted that the CARE
discount is set in both California
02:52:45.420 --> 02:52:49.673
law and P U code section 739.1,
02:52:50.860 --> 02:52:54.910
which sets the CARE discount
rate at not less than 30 and no
02:52:54.910 --> 02:52:58.260
more than 35% of the revenues
that would have been produced
02:52:58.260 --> 02:52:59.953
by non-CARE customers.
02:53:00.820 --> 02:53:05.390
The utilities also noted that
the CARE discount could be
02:53:05.390 --> 02:53:09.070
addressed or would be better
suited to be discussed in the
02:53:09.070 --> 02:53:14.070
Commission's low-income
qualified proceeding, A.19-11-003,
02:53:15.360 --> 02:53:20.360
which was the utility,
CARE, and ESA applications.
02:53:22.020 --> 02:53:23.313
Next slide, please.
02:53:26.020 --> 02:53:30.260
And from the Commission
standpoint, I wanted to note too,
02:53:30.260 --> 02:53:34.760
a previous Commission
decision and a proceeding,
02:53:34.760 --> 02:53:39.760
which looked into rate
setting as well as specifically
02:53:40.440 --> 02:53:44.910
exploring whether a increased
discount or tiered CARE
02:53:44.910 --> 02:53:47.930
discount could be adopted.
02:53:47.930 --> 02:53:51.420
So this would be a different
CARE discount rates for
02:53:51.420 --> 02:53:53.710
different customers.
02:53:53.710 --> 02:53:57.897
Ultimately, in that
decision D.19-09-004,
02:53:59.780 --> 02:54:03.560
the Commission declined to
adopt any tiered care proposals
02:54:03.560 --> 02:54:07.650
because increasing the
discount for one subset of CARE
02:54:07.650 --> 02:54:11.300
customers would necessarily
result in reducing the CARE
02:54:11.300 --> 02:54:15.053
discount or another
subset of CARE customers.
02:54:18.350 --> 02:54:19.483
Next slide please.
02:54:22.500 --> 02:54:26.990
The third recommendation from
the LIOB was on data sharing
02:54:26.990 --> 02:54:31.470
between energy and water
utilities regarding low-income
02:54:31.470 --> 02:54:32.393
customers.
02:54:33.250 --> 02:54:37.550
The LIOB recommended that
the Commission instruct energy
02:54:37.550 --> 02:54:42.170
utilities to share data, CARE
data with class A and B water
02:54:42.170 --> 02:54:46.590
utilities at intervals no less
than a quarterly basis as
02:54:46.590 --> 02:54:51.280
part of their transition plans
and encourage the Commission
02:54:51.280 --> 02:54:52.770
to pursue all avenues
02:54:52.770 --> 02:54:56.550
to make this a permanent
policy moving forward tasks
02:54:56.550 --> 02:54:57.943
the transition period.
02:55:00.210 --> 02:55:01.043
Next slide.
02:55:03.700 --> 02:55:06.425
In the advice letters
of the utilities filed,
02:55:06.425 --> 02:55:09.960
they noted general support
for this recommendation
02:55:09.960 --> 02:55:12.820
to increase the
frequency of data sharing,
02:55:12.820 --> 02:55:16.800
but noted that depending
on the size of water utilities
02:55:16.800 --> 02:55:19.460
and their administrative capabilities,
02:55:19.460 --> 02:55:22.790
that quarterly may not
be feasible or practical
02:55:22.790 --> 02:55:23.653
for all of them,
02:55:24.750 --> 02:55:27.590
and pointed to a permanent increase
02:55:27.590 --> 02:55:29.371
in the frequency of data sharing,
02:55:29.371 --> 02:55:34.080
be directed to the low
income water proceeding,
02:55:34.080 --> 02:55:38.500
R.17-060-024.
02:55:38.500 --> 02:55:41.160
And I wanted to note
that there isn't a slide
02:55:41.160 --> 02:55:45.990
because this is very new
information, but on Tuesday,
02:55:45.990 --> 02:55:48.520
there was a proposed decision released
02:55:48.520 --> 02:55:50.940
in that low-income water proceeding,
02:55:50.940 --> 02:55:54.130
which did include some
information on increasing
02:55:54.130 --> 02:55:57.890
the frequency of data exchanges.
02:55:57.890 --> 02:55:59.200
So again,
02:55:59.200 --> 02:56:01.903
not enough time to
include in this presentation,
02:56:03.450 --> 02:56:07.160
but I think there is some
support for the LIOB's
02:56:07.160 --> 02:56:09.450
recommendation in that proposed decision
02:56:09.450 --> 02:56:12.510
and I will be sharing
that with the board
02:56:12.510 --> 02:56:16.273
after this meeting, next slide.
02:56:19.830 --> 02:56:23.093
All right, and I will be
passing it over to Mia.
02:56:26.240 --> 02:56:27.130
Thanks.
02:56:27.130 --> 02:56:29.870
So the fourth recommendation is related
02:56:29.870 --> 02:56:31.610
to marketing and outreach,
02:56:31.610 --> 02:56:34.740
and to quickly summarize
each of the three sections,
02:56:34.740 --> 02:56:39.330
A through C, four-A
recommends utilities have separate
02:56:39.330 --> 02:56:41.900
and distinct marketing
education outreach,
02:56:41.900 --> 02:56:45.780
or ME&O plans for targeting
hard to reach customers
02:56:45.780 --> 02:56:50.760
and then show the geographic
reach for those targeted plans.
02:56:50.760 --> 02:56:55.070
Four B recommends utilities
increase their ME&O budgets
02:56:55.070 --> 02:57:00.070
by 50% in transition plans
to incorporate enhancements,
02:57:00.350 --> 02:57:01.810
to effectively serve hard
02:57:01.810 --> 02:57:03.900
to reach and underserved customers.
02:57:03.900 --> 02:57:08.050
And four-C recommends utilities
develop reporting mechanisms
02:57:08.050 --> 02:57:13.050
to track expenditures and
outreach for the benefits.
02:57:13.890 --> 02:57:14.723
Next slide.
02:57:17.340 --> 02:57:21.610
So in response to four-A
through their transition plans,
02:57:21.610 --> 02:57:25.740
I use did not accept the
recommendation for distinct amino
02:57:25.740 --> 02:57:27.440
plans for hard to reach customers.
02:57:28.420 --> 02:57:33.420
However, in response from at
least PG&E, Edison, and SDG&E,
02:57:33.880 --> 02:57:35.850
they did note that their
current outreach plans
02:57:35.850 --> 02:57:37.910
do include hard to reach customer groups
02:57:37.910 --> 02:57:40.360
as a target customer segment.
02:57:40.360 --> 02:57:45.360
And on four-B, utility is noted
that they did not anticipate
02:57:45.510 --> 02:57:48.010
needing additional funds.
02:57:48.010 --> 02:57:51.340
And they actually had that
flexibility recommended for ME&O
02:57:51.340 --> 02:57:54.930
budgets because they're able
to track those expenditures in
02:57:54.930 --> 02:57:59.670
their CTPMAs, which is the
COVID-19 pandemic protections
02:57:59.670 --> 02:58:03.310
memorandum accounts
as COVID related costs.
02:58:03.310 --> 02:58:07.813
So those CTPCMA accounts
are separate from their program,
02:58:07.813 --> 02:58:10.483
ME&O budgets, next slide.
02:58:17.030 --> 02:58:20.770
And then born out of a
discussion that we had with utilities
02:58:20.770 --> 02:58:24.440
following their response to LIOB
recommendations surrounding
02:58:24.440 --> 02:58:28.185
the barriers to in-house
Hanson immuno strategies,
02:58:28.185 --> 02:58:31.410
and then in conjunction
with this recommendation for
02:58:31.410 --> 02:58:35.120
particularly four-C the arrears OYR,
02:58:35.120 --> 02:58:39.027
which is rulemaking
21-02-014 directs IOUs
02:58:41.488 --> 02:58:46.130
and energy division to
create a map of CPOs in each
02:58:46.130 --> 02:58:50.320
energy utility service area
that presents the geographic
02:58:50.320 --> 02:58:51.870
reach of each CBO,
02:58:51.870 --> 02:58:54.750
the functions that they perform,
and the communities that
02:58:54.750 --> 02:58:55.800
they serve.
02:58:55.800 --> 02:58:58.940
And then either in the map
or in the accompany reports,
02:58:58.940 --> 02:59:02.077
utilities will also report
compensation structures
02:59:02.077 --> 02:59:06.450
and additional detail with the
types of communities served.
02:59:06.450 --> 02:59:11.077
So at a minimum that's would be DAX ESJ,
02:59:11.960 --> 02:59:15.150
hard to reach small businesses, tribes,
02:59:15.150 --> 02:59:17.803
and access and functional needs groups,
02:59:18.640 --> 02:59:20.763
but more specifically
blamed is preferred.
02:59:21.780 --> 02:59:24.640
And so the purpose of this
mapping and reporting will be to
02:59:24.640 --> 02:59:26.350
provide a structure,
02:59:26.350 --> 02:59:29.840
to identify the gaps and
identify the barriers to overcome
02:59:29.840 --> 02:59:33.330
and to have clear insights and
recommendations to improve
02:59:33.330 --> 02:59:34.442
CBO outreach,
02:59:34.442 --> 02:59:36.392
to more effectively
reach the hard to reach
02:59:36.392 --> 02:59:38.960
the underserved customers.
02:59:38.960 --> 02:59:42.580
So the comment period
closed earlier this week,
02:59:42.580 --> 02:59:46.250
and we're expecting it to be
voted on at the Commission
02:59:46.250 --> 02:59:48.560
meeting on June 24th,
02:59:48.560 --> 02:59:52.410
and then after which utilities
will submit a joint reporting
02:59:52.410 --> 02:59:53.980
template within 60 days.
02:59:53.980 --> 02:59:57.280
And then ed energy division
will work with utilities to
02:59:57.280 --> 02:59:58.320
finalize them.
02:59:58.320 --> 03:00:00.970
And then we'll bring it back
to a future LIOB meeting
03:00:00.970 --> 03:00:03.403
for additional refinement.
03:00:04.980 --> 03:00:05.813
Next slide.
03:00:08.906 --> 03:00:10.306
And I'll pass it to Jenelle.
03:00:11.570 --> 03:00:14.203
Hi, can you hear me?
03:00:15.380 --> 03:00:16.430
Thank you.
03:00:16.430 --> 03:00:21.430
So the board recommend
utilities to define success
03:00:22.803 --> 03:00:27.803
and the proposed metrics
that will track this connection as
03:00:30.710 --> 03:00:35.710
well as customers enrolled
in CARE Lockheed, et cetera.
03:00:39.190 --> 03:00:44.190
So for five-A, the board
proposed a set of metrics here,
03:00:46.640 --> 03:00:51.640
mainly focusing on the number
and the percentage of this
03:00:51.870 --> 03:00:56.823
connections received by M
customers, CARE customers.
03:00:57.860 --> 03:01:02.860
And also the board is interested
in learning about a program
03:01:04.550 --> 03:01:09.550
with program referral from
AMP to other programs.
03:01:10.880 --> 03:01:15.260
And the board is also
interested in about length of
03:01:15.260 --> 03:01:20.260
disconnections and the earlier
amount owed by customers and
03:01:21.700 --> 03:01:26.700
for five-B the board further
recommend utilities to work
03:01:27.600 --> 03:01:32.600
together and to discuss
a unified template.
03:01:36.450 --> 03:01:37.963
Next slide, please.
03:01:40.440 --> 03:01:44.264
So for five-B, the large IOUs
03:01:44.264 --> 03:01:48.577
defined success as
preventing disconnections
03:01:48.577 --> 03:01:53.577
and helping customers enroll in programs
03:01:54.073 --> 03:01:59.073
and the large IOU's
will report baseline data
03:02:04.599 --> 03:02:09.599
purchased one time figures.
03:02:10.100 --> 03:02:13.880
That is the number of customers enrolled
03:02:13.880 --> 03:02:17.810
in an and tough month payment plans.
03:02:17.810 --> 03:02:21.420
They ring the protections period
03:02:21.420 --> 03:02:24.043
from March, 2020 to June, 2021.
03:02:26.199 --> 03:02:30.449
And also starting this
and starting July this year,
03:02:35.670 --> 03:02:39.540
the large outages use while continuing
03:02:39.540 --> 03:02:44.180
to provide numbers for the programs.
03:02:44.180 --> 03:02:49.180
So we can compare
baseline data to the new data
03:02:49.260 --> 03:02:54.117
and see if there's any trends.
03:02:55.920 --> 03:02:59.053
And this reporting will last for a year
03:02:59.053 --> 03:03:02.210
and ending June, 2022.
03:03:02.210 --> 03:03:03.483
Next slide, please.
03:03:05.550 --> 03:03:10.550
So here is the joint
metrics proposed by the use.
03:03:12.900 --> 03:03:17.900
They will report on a number
of customers remain in AMP and
03:03:18.980 --> 03:03:22.963
a tough month payment
plans after June 30th,
03:03:24.840 --> 03:03:29.840
and also new number of
customers in the programs.
03:03:31.240 --> 03:03:36.240
And I use were also report
CARE/FERA customers
03:03:38.090 --> 03:03:43.090
finished verifications and they will,
03:03:43.361 --> 03:03:47.750
and they also cooperate the five,
03:03:47.750 --> 03:03:52.750
A recommendation and will
report customers removed from N,
03:03:54.440 --> 03:03:58.900
and then received this
connections six months.
03:03:58.900 --> 03:04:02.850
Other metrics can be found in
03:04:02.850 --> 03:04:07.850
the currently published monthly
reports in this connection.
03:04:08.570 --> 03:04:13.206
OAR, and on the other hand, smudgies
03:04:13.206 --> 03:04:18.206
proposed different metrics, but overall,
03:04:22.030 --> 03:04:26.420
they will provide a
number of payment plans,
03:04:26.420 --> 03:04:28.710
number of CARE customers,
03:04:28.710 --> 03:04:33.710
and they have begun providing
their data starting in April
03:04:35.246 --> 03:04:40.246
and to Energy Division,
and there's and the world lads
03:04:42.260 --> 03:04:46.060
until counting 2022,
just like the large IOUs.
03:04:47.870 --> 03:04:48.970
Thank you, next slide.
03:04:50.186 --> 03:04:51.973
And I believe it's Gillian next.
03:04:55.380 --> 03:04:56.213
Thank you.
03:04:56.213 --> 03:05:01.010
So the six recommendation
referred to Aliso Canyon,
03:05:01.010 --> 03:05:04.950
best practices, and the LIOB recommended
03:05:04.950 --> 03:05:07.160
that the Commission direct the IOUs
03:05:07.160 --> 03:05:10.080
to enhance energy savings assistance,
03:05:10.080 --> 03:05:14.590
or ESA measures with
emergency energy cost production
03:05:14.590 --> 03:05:18.360
measures that ensure a
minimum of 10% savings
03:05:18.360 --> 03:05:22.363
to low-income rate payers
as part of their transition plans.
03:05:24.130 --> 03:05:25.403
Next slide, please.
03:05:28.290 --> 03:05:31.920
It, in the utility transition plans,
03:05:31.920 --> 03:05:36.920
they noted that any changes
in ESA measures or budgets
03:05:37.130 --> 03:05:39.390
should be discussed
under the Commission's
03:05:39.390 --> 03:05:41.520
income qualified proceeding.
03:05:41.520 --> 03:05:46.193
As I referenced earlier,
that's A.19-11-003.
03:05:47.630 --> 03:05:51.760
Also current approved ESA
measures to address energy savings
03:05:51.760 --> 03:05:55.340
cannot ensure a minimum of 10 savings,
03:05:55.340 --> 03:06:00.113
10% savings to low-income repairs as is.
03:06:01.870 --> 03:06:02.703
Next slide.
03:06:05.060 --> 03:06:08.053
However, the Commission will be,
03:06:09.260 --> 03:06:14.260
did support a pilot program
for the ESA program
03:06:14.520 --> 03:06:19.520
in the most recent ESA
CARE decision that will seek
03:06:19.750 --> 03:06:22.500
to increase energy
savings per household.
03:06:22.500 --> 03:06:26.220
So, Kakil mentioned this
in his earlier presentation
03:06:26.220 --> 03:06:28.260
on the ESA CARE proceeding,
03:06:28.260 --> 03:06:31.750
but here are some more specific details
03:06:31.750 --> 03:06:33.600
of that pilot program.
03:06:33.600 --> 03:06:37.610
So there will be two
tracks in the pilot program.
03:06:37.610 --> 03:06:39.740
One that will seek to achieve up
03:06:39.740 --> 03:06:44.260
to 15% energy savings per household,
03:06:44.260 --> 03:06:48.410
and a deep package
that will aim to achieve
03:06:48.410 --> 03:06:52.330
up to 50% energy savings per household.
03:06:52.330 --> 03:06:56.840
The plus package, the 15% energy savings
03:06:56.840 --> 03:06:58.520
will target households who are part
03:06:58.520 --> 03:07:01.550
of a specific customer segments.
03:07:01.550 --> 03:07:03.800
And then the D package will target
03:07:03.800 --> 03:07:06.123
the neediest of households then.
03:07:07.110 --> 03:07:11.220
The above customer segments
as part of the plus package,
03:07:11.220 --> 03:07:14.800
but also other considerations such
03:07:14.800 --> 03:07:17.973
as high use, climate zone, et cetera.
03:07:19.790 --> 03:07:20.623
Next slide.
03:07:23.266 --> 03:07:26.563
A little bit more detail
on that pilot program,
03:07:28.226 --> 03:07:32.721
that they will be targeting
the neediest and those with the
03:07:32.721 --> 03:07:35.980
highest opportunity to achieve
the specified percent savings
03:07:35.980 --> 03:07:36.943
per household.
03:07:38.150 --> 03:07:41.250
I wanted to note that the
pilot workshop will be held
03:07:41.250 --> 03:07:44.310
by October 1st, 2021.
03:07:44.310 --> 03:07:48.300
And that workshop will
introduce the utilities preliminary
03:07:48.300 --> 03:07:51.940
implementation plans for
the pilot deep and the pilot plus
03:07:51.940 --> 03:07:55.653
measure packages and
seek stakeholder feedback.
03:07:56.840 --> 03:07:57.950
Following the workshop,
03:07:57.950 --> 03:08:01.320
the utilities will file tier
two advice letters detailing
03:08:01.320 --> 03:08:06.000
the pilot and implementation
of this pilot program
03:08:06.000 --> 03:08:07.943
will be by quarter three of 2022.
03:08:09.580 --> 03:08:12.390
With the timing of the pilot workshop,
03:08:12.390 --> 03:08:14.980
I wanted to note that
that could be before
03:08:14.980 --> 03:08:17.800
the ESA working group meets and begins.
03:08:17.800 --> 03:08:22.090
So it's highly encouraged
for stakeholders to attend
03:08:22.090 --> 03:08:25.080
the pilot workshop and provide feedback
03:08:25.080 --> 03:08:28.043
on this specific ESA pilot program.
03:08:30.590 --> 03:08:31.423
Next slide.
03:08:37.340 --> 03:08:39.203
Great, I think
this is me again.
03:08:40.882 --> 03:08:44.180
So recommendation number seven,
03:08:44.180 --> 03:08:49.180
involved coordination with
LIHEAP, the LIOB recommended,
03:08:50.460 --> 03:08:53.713
oh, wait, I think it was this.
03:08:57.520 --> 03:08:58.770
Hmm.
03:08:58.770 --> 03:09:02.070
The board recommended
that the Commission direct the
03:09:02.070 --> 03:09:05.720
utilities to establish data
sharing portals or data sharing
03:09:05.720 --> 03:09:08.490
agreements between
local service providers,
03:09:08.490 --> 03:09:12.360
CSD and utilities to
target LIHEAP assistance
03:09:12.360 --> 03:09:13.993
to at-risk customers.
03:09:14.870 --> 03:09:18.030
And the board also recommended
that the Commission direct
03:09:18.030 --> 03:09:22.420
utilities to explore
opportunities for joint enrollment
03:09:22.420 --> 03:09:27.420
pilots to facilitate enrollment
of customers in LIHEAP
03:09:27.630 --> 03:09:29.350
CARE, medical baseline,
03:09:29.350 --> 03:09:31.070
percentage of income payment plans,
03:09:31.070 --> 03:09:34.140
and arrearaging management plans using
03:09:34.140 --> 03:09:36.120
a single streamlined intake process
03:09:36.120 --> 03:09:37.963
as part of the transition plans.
03:09:39.439 --> 03:09:43.547
And as part of the decision 20-06-003,
03:09:44.790 --> 03:09:48.610
which I discussed previously
utilities have launched data
03:09:48.610 --> 03:09:52.820
sharing portals with CSD and
LIHEAP local service providers.
03:09:52.820 --> 03:09:57.090
So those would be logical
starting places for exploring some
03:09:57.090 --> 03:10:01.210
of that leveraging and coordination.
03:10:01.210 --> 03:10:02.043
In addition,
03:10:02.043 --> 03:10:04.710
anticipate the anticipated
state budget allocation
03:10:04.710 --> 03:10:06.170
for utility arrears,
03:10:06.170 --> 03:10:09.110
which I believe was
discussed a bit earlier today
03:10:09.110 --> 03:10:13.880
will necessitate that PUC
and CSD coordination,
03:10:13.880 --> 03:10:17.320
including for targeting funds
to the highest risk customers.
03:10:17.320 --> 03:10:20.180
And that coordination is ongoing.
03:10:20.180 --> 03:10:21.210
In addition,
03:10:21.210 --> 03:10:24.370
we're anticipating that phase
two of the COVID arrears
03:10:24.370 --> 03:10:29.050
proceeding, which is R.21-02-014.
03:10:29.050 --> 03:10:30.630
We'll explore opportunities
03:10:30.630 --> 03:10:33.259
for targeting that assistance better.
03:10:33.259 --> 03:10:36.000
And in addition,
03:10:36.000 --> 03:10:39.765
the percentage of income
payment plan pilot that's
03:10:39.765 --> 03:10:43.480
development is underway in
the disconnections proceeding
03:10:43.480 --> 03:10:47.520
that I discussed previously
is anticipated to include dual
03:10:47.520 --> 03:10:51.410
enrollment for customers
who qualify for both arrearage
03:10:51.410 --> 03:10:55.300
management plans and the
percentage of income payment plans.
03:10:55.300 --> 03:10:56.490
And so we can also,
03:10:56.490 --> 03:10:59.650
that's also a logical
opportunity to explore other
03:10:59.650 --> 03:11:02.393
opportunities for leveraging
those multiple programs
03:11:02.393 --> 03:11:04.633
that customers might qualify for.
03:11:05.700 --> 03:11:09.350
I did want to note that the
different eligibility criteria
03:11:09.350 --> 03:11:12.930
for these programs may
make a single intake process
03:11:12.930 --> 03:11:16.490
challenging, although
that would also make sense
03:11:16.490 --> 03:11:20.854
as something to explore in
a pilot program, the context
03:11:20.854 --> 03:11:25.560
to find ways to streamline those.
03:11:25.560 --> 03:11:26.933
Next slide, please.
03:11:31.560 --> 03:11:34.163
Next slide please.
03:11:35.110 --> 03:11:36.790
I think that was the same one.
03:11:36.790 --> 03:11:40.750
And then finally
recommendation eight was related
03:11:40.750 --> 03:11:45.300
to referring a Rouge
management plan customers
03:11:45.300 --> 03:11:47.920
to weatherization and other programs.
03:11:47.920 --> 03:11:51.740
The board recommended that
the Commission direct utilities
03:11:51.740 --> 03:11:56.590
to include referrals to
ESA, LIWP, and other
03:11:56.590 --> 03:12:01.590
weatherization programs
as part of the transition plans.
03:12:01.750 --> 03:12:04.040
And also recommended that a utility,
03:12:04.040 --> 03:12:06.970
the Commission direct utilities
to work with those service
03:12:06.970 --> 03:12:11.430
providers to con to construct
enrollment best practices,
03:12:11.430 --> 03:12:13.760
improved outreach, program eligibility,
03:12:13.760 --> 03:12:15.810
and tailored household energy assistance
03:12:15.810 --> 03:12:17.370
to target those investments,
03:12:17.370 --> 03:12:20.550
enhance energy savings,
and reduce energy burden.
03:12:20.550 --> 03:12:21.603
Next slide.
03:12:24.150 --> 03:12:27.520
So generally utilities indicated
that they are supportive of
03:12:27.520 --> 03:12:30.210
the recommendation to refer customers
03:12:30.210 --> 03:12:35.090
to these weatherization
programs where eligible and several
03:12:35.090 --> 03:12:38.860
indicated that that is
already part of the process.
03:12:38.860 --> 03:12:42.830
PG&E specifically indicated
that this referral is part of
03:12:42.830 --> 03:12:46.830
it's a standard AMP enrollment process.
03:12:46.830 --> 03:12:49.820
Other utilities did not
identify specific barriers to
03:12:49.820 --> 03:12:53.290
implementing this and indicated
that they would explore it
03:12:53.290 --> 03:12:58.290
further, for the second
part of the recommendation,
03:12:58.290 --> 03:13:01.580
the proposed decision in
the ESA care proceeding,
03:13:01.580 --> 03:13:04.571
which I unfortunately don't
have the number off-hand,
03:13:04.571 --> 03:13:07.931
directs the large utilities
to hold a workshop
03:13:07.931 --> 03:13:12.750
with other Low-Income Clean
Energy Program administrators
03:13:13.750 --> 03:13:18.144
that would within 120
days of the decision
03:13:18.144 --> 03:13:21.750
to align customer
eligibility for the program,
03:13:21.750 --> 03:13:25.670
increase referrals, and
enrollment across multiple programs
03:13:25.670 --> 03:13:27.870
and increased coordination efforts.
03:13:27.870 --> 03:13:32.530
So that workshop would be a
great venue to evaluate other
03:13:32.530 --> 03:13:35.839
opportunities for coordination
across these programs
03:13:35.839 --> 03:13:40.839
and identify ways to
create that referral process
03:13:42.940 --> 03:13:44.640
that was recommended by the board.
03:13:46.290 --> 03:13:47.873
Next slide, please.
03:13:50.300 --> 03:13:53.410
And that is the end of our slides.
03:13:53.410 --> 03:13:55.490
So I think at this time
we're going to open it up
03:13:55.490 --> 03:13:57.553
for a few minutes,
at least of questions.
03:13:59.990 --> 03:14:01.180
Thank you, Ben
03:14:01.180 --> 03:14:06.120
and Gillian, Alison,
Jenneille, and forgot anybody.
03:14:06.120 --> 03:14:09.893
Sorry, but thank you everyone
for the thorough presentation.
03:14:10.740 --> 03:14:13.360
Before we start taking questions,
03:14:13.360 --> 03:14:16.940
comments from members of
the board, just a quick time check.
03:14:16.940 --> 03:14:19.883
I know there that we're
already at time for the next item,
03:14:19.883 --> 03:14:22.640
but there are a number of
items this afternoon that don't
03:14:22.640 --> 03:14:25.370
have an update for, we will
probably have some time-savings.
03:14:25.370 --> 03:14:27.173
So we'll go ahead and use that for this,
03:14:27.173 --> 03:14:30.686
because I know everyone on
the board contributed quite a bit
03:14:30.686 --> 03:14:34.240
to feedback and input and with that,
03:14:34.240 --> 03:14:37.363
happy to open it up to
questions and comments.
03:14:45.690 --> 03:14:49.260
Mr. Chairman, sir,
Porter and Castenada.
03:14:49.260 --> 03:14:52.100
Yeah, I tell you, I can't
remember the number,
03:14:52.100 --> 03:14:54.940
but it had to do with the
San Aliso best practices.
03:14:54.940 --> 03:14:59.550
And I personally worked
on that recommendation
03:15:01.310 --> 03:15:03.340
in terms of its content.
03:15:03.340 --> 03:15:05.340
So I just wanted to say at this point,
03:15:05.340 --> 03:15:09.770
I'm fairly satisfied with
exploring those sorts
03:15:09.770 --> 03:15:13.010
of opportunities for
additional energy savings
03:15:13.010 --> 03:15:18.010
and bill reduction through the pilot.
03:15:19.006 --> 03:15:20.550
I heard some pretty good things there,
03:15:20.550 --> 03:15:24.890
so I just wanted to say
that I think we can get there
03:15:25.790 --> 03:15:27.830
and the pilot is a
way for us to do that.
03:15:27.830 --> 03:15:28.663
Thank you.
03:15:31.080 --> 03:15:32.660
Likewise.
03:15:32.660 --> 03:15:35.520
Well, first and foremost, just
thank you to everyone again,
03:15:35.520 --> 03:15:37.520
for all of your work on this.
03:15:37.520 --> 03:15:41.360
I know it was quite a
bit, I certainly can say
03:15:41.360 --> 03:15:43.170
through the whole
experience and the resolution,
03:15:43.170 --> 03:15:45.470
there's a heightened appreciation
03:15:45.470 --> 03:15:47.590
for the level of process that's involved
03:15:47.590 --> 03:15:51.724
in all of these different
policies, being crafted.
03:15:51.724 --> 03:15:56.724
A couple of things that I
did want to note specifically,
03:15:57.870 --> 03:16:01.520
thank you to Edison for working with us
03:16:01.520 --> 03:16:04.810
and with me on the weather
and the climate issue.
03:16:04.810 --> 03:16:07.970
One thing that came out of it
that I thought was interesting
03:16:07.970 --> 03:16:12.970
and perhaps an item for a
future committee meeting was
03:16:13.030 --> 03:16:15.930
we did do a little bit of
research in terms of accuracy
03:16:15.930 --> 03:16:20.160
and engagement with NOAA
and the National Weather Service
03:16:20.160 --> 03:16:24.210
and confirm their level of
accuracy for long-term forecast,
03:16:24.210 --> 03:16:27.660
as well as projections of how
they're going to improve more
03:16:27.660 --> 03:16:30.630
and more in terms of accuracy over time.
03:16:30.630 --> 03:16:33.127
But it's something related that came up
03:16:33.127 --> 03:16:34.880
that I was entirely unaware of,
03:16:34.880 --> 03:16:38.110
is that a number of
local municipalities,
03:16:38.110 --> 03:16:41.450
as well as municipal
utilities have started
03:16:41.450 --> 03:16:44.210
to move away from a
definitive hour model
03:16:44.210 --> 03:16:48.150
and switched to a key index model
03:16:48.150 --> 03:16:50.880
where it's what they
do for heat advisories.
03:16:50.880 --> 03:16:54.920
And they're starting to use
that data to make determinations
03:16:54.920 --> 03:16:58.600
for various public health policies,
03:16:58.600 --> 03:17:02.119
inclusive of things
relevant like disconnections.
03:17:02.119 --> 03:17:05.690
So I'm hoping that
either the meteorologists
03:17:05.690 --> 03:17:08.540
that we were working with on
the Warning Coordination Team,
03:17:08.540 --> 03:17:12.840
or one of their colleagues
in DC that helped
03:17:12.840 --> 03:17:15.370
with the data collection
can do a presentation for,
03:17:15.370 --> 03:17:17.700
'cause I found it to be
thoroughly interesting
03:17:17.700 --> 03:17:21.180
and there's always ways to
improve with utilization of data.
03:17:21.180 --> 03:17:23.600
So that was one thing
that I thought that was good,
03:17:23.600 --> 03:17:24.700
that came out of this.
03:17:26.010 --> 03:17:29.630
The other that I would
just continue to underscore
03:17:29.630 --> 03:17:32.010
is I certainly appreciate the level
03:17:32.010 --> 03:17:36.020
of increased coordination
that is already happening.
03:17:36.020 --> 03:17:39.900
And particularly I saw
in PG&E's final plan
03:17:39.900 --> 03:17:42.230
that they did have a piece of referral,
03:17:42.230 --> 03:17:44.293
which I thought was great progress,
03:17:45.740 --> 03:17:47.850
but just to continue to bang the drum
03:17:47.850 --> 03:17:50.580
on coordination of programming,
03:17:50.580 --> 03:17:53.113
it's the same families
in the same households.
03:17:54.020 --> 03:17:57.093
And I know that there's
pushes across other areas of
03:17:57.093 --> 03:18:01.290
safety net and human
services to integrate programs
03:18:01.290 --> 03:18:03.790
that used to be different
arms and different legs.
03:18:04.760 --> 03:18:08.330
So that it's just a one-stop
user experience for the family.
03:18:08.330 --> 03:18:09.950
And the more we can do that
03:18:09.950 --> 03:18:12.410
and I think it's a million baby steps,
03:18:12.410 --> 03:18:14.860
but the more of them we
can take the closer we'll get.
03:18:14.860 --> 03:18:19.860
So just to reiterate that
point and other than that,
03:18:20.047 --> 03:18:23.780
those are all my comments and happy to,
03:18:23.780 --> 03:18:25.860
Vice Chair Stametz's hand is raised
03:18:26.880 --> 03:18:29.920
as well as Martez and Lisa.
03:18:29.920 --> 03:18:31.793
So Maria, whenever you're ready.
03:18:34.846 --> 03:18:38.700
The chairs' comments, and
really appreciate all the work
03:18:38.700 --> 03:18:41.560
that went into following up
on all our recommendations
03:18:41.560 --> 03:18:42.757
and providing more guidance on
03:18:42.757 --> 03:18:45.163
the particular proceedings
and updates there.
03:18:45.163 --> 03:18:49.310
Have an overarching
that kind of follows up on
03:18:49.310 --> 03:18:53.490
the discussion around water
ridges and moratoria dates.
03:18:53.490 --> 03:18:57.310
I'm wondering, given that
it looks like there's going
03:18:57.310 --> 03:19:00.735
to be a $1 billion allocation
for energy arrearages,
03:19:00.735 --> 03:19:03.530
but that may not be ready by June 30th.
03:19:03.530 --> 03:19:06.120
I'm just wondering if what
the right vehicle would be,
03:19:06.120 --> 03:19:08.720
or if there are any conversations
about extending the date
03:19:08.720 --> 03:19:11.350
of the June 30th utility
disconnection moratoria
03:19:11.350 --> 03:19:13.837
so that the funding
can get to folks in time.
03:19:13.837 --> 03:19:15.950
I feel like time is of the essence
03:19:15.950 --> 03:19:19.087
in terms of potentially
getting disconnected.
03:19:19.087 --> 03:19:20.800
And if it's just a matter of months,
03:19:20.800 --> 03:19:23.020
just wondering if that there's
conversations there or what
03:19:23.020 --> 03:19:25.873
the right proceeding would
be to start that conversation,
03:19:28.760 --> 03:19:30.390
or if there's an update
that I'm just not aware
03:19:30.390 --> 03:19:31.223
of around that.
03:19:34.090 --> 03:19:37.702
I can speak to that a
little bit just to say that
03:19:37.702 --> 03:19:42.550
there are conversations
taking place about that issue
03:19:42.550 --> 03:19:46.320
because it's the money
is certainly not going
03:19:46.320 --> 03:19:48.550
to go out by June 30th.
03:19:48.550 --> 03:19:53.550
And the proposed decision
in the arrears proceeding,
03:19:53.810 --> 03:19:58.810
r.21-02-014 does contemplate
or does direct the utilities
03:20:01.020 --> 03:20:03.810
to automatically enroll
customers with arrearages
03:20:03.810 --> 03:20:08.253
in payment plans within
60 days of the decision.
03:20:09.138 --> 03:20:13.250
In addition, Steve St. Marie
in the chat is noting that
03:20:13.250 --> 03:20:16.920
the water moratorium was
extended to September 30th
03:20:16.920 --> 03:20:19.000
by the Governor's executive order.
03:20:19.000 --> 03:20:21.560
So there's a lot of
conversations ongoing,
03:20:21.560 --> 03:20:24.370
and I wouldn't want to
speak specifically to those
03:20:24.370 --> 03:20:25.697
because I don't have the latest,
03:20:25.697 --> 03:20:29.850
but it's definitely been
identified as an issue.
03:20:29.850 --> 03:20:32.673
And we're thinking
through how to handle that.
03:20:35.810 --> 03:20:36.643
Thanks.
03:20:39.040 --> 03:20:40.213
Board Member Medina.
03:20:42.011 --> 03:20:44.680
Yeah, this is an
amazing format.
03:20:44.680 --> 03:20:45.600
The way you put this over
03:20:45.600 --> 03:20:47.180
very helpful for me, at least.
03:20:47.180 --> 03:20:49.177
So I wish that once they get,
03:20:49.177 --> 03:20:51.650
go from recommendations
to implementation,
03:20:51.650 --> 03:20:53.530
I would like the same kind of list.
03:20:53.530 --> 03:20:58.270
And maybe if it could be
a more useful language,
03:20:58.270 --> 03:21:00.740
meaning like that a church could read it
03:21:00.740 --> 03:21:03.289
and see the benefits of it, or that
03:21:03.289 --> 03:21:06.280
a community-based
organization can share in,
03:21:06.280 --> 03:21:09.430
or just print and share
with their constituents.
03:21:09.430 --> 03:21:11.170
Because right now I
know we needed like that
03:21:11.170 --> 03:21:14.380
to speak the business language, but,
03:21:14.380 --> 03:21:18.670
and also adding with what
Board Member Samuel said with,
03:21:20.080 --> 03:21:21.853
oh Lord, don't let me forget.
03:21:23.997 --> 03:21:26.567
I hate this with the
payment plans right now,
03:21:26.567 --> 03:21:28.260
and with AMP and all that,
03:21:28.260 --> 03:21:30.090
what I'm noticing with our constituency
03:21:30.090 --> 03:21:32.930
in the central valley,
that a lot of them that are,
03:21:32.930 --> 03:21:36.069
have not been able to
benefit or been able to attain
03:21:36.069 --> 03:21:41.060
the mortgage or house, or rent payments,
03:21:41.060 --> 03:21:42.440
because it's so tedious.
03:21:42.440 --> 03:21:45.020
So a lot of these families
who are looking for this
03:21:45.020 --> 03:21:48.750
assistance, the housing one
is the most important for them.
03:21:48.750 --> 03:21:50.149
So I'm seeing that
03:21:50.149 --> 03:21:53.600
if ever there was a time for
us to be doing data sharing,
03:21:53.600 --> 03:21:56.300
with programs that are
helping with housing,
03:21:56.300 --> 03:22:00.600
maybe that that's an
opportunity for us to integrate this,
03:22:00.600 --> 03:22:03.750
the information on the
utility programs to help
03:22:03.750 --> 03:22:07.387
because them housing
one is really tedious
03:22:07.387 --> 03:22:09.440
and unfortunately, a lot of homeowners
03:22:09.440 --> 03:22:13.120
and that they would at least
from my community date,
03:22:13.120 --> 03:22:14.000
and I'm talking about
03:22:14.000 --> 03:22:17.390
the migrant farm working
monolingual community.
03:22:17.390 --> 03:22:19.140
They've the last thing they would do is
03:22:19.140 --> 03:22:20.030
be late on their rent.
03:22:20.030 --> 03:22:21.870
So they borrowed this
from family members
03:22:21.870 --> 03:22:22.820
and stuff like that.
03:22:22.820 --> 03:22:25.140
So they're actually not
qualifying being able
03:22:25.140 --> 03:22:28.240
to get that assistance
paid for their mortgage
03:22:28.240 --> 03:22:31.248
because they can't pay that to
who they loan the money from.
03:22:31.248 --> 03:22:34.690
And so they're on date with their rent,
03:22:34.690 --> 03:22:37.410
but they're still don't
have the rent for the future
03:22:37.410 --> 03:22:39.070
because they borrowed this money
03:22:39.070 --> 03:22:43.480
from family and other methods.
03:22:43.480 --> 03:22:46.910
So one, I think that the
application process for that,
03:22:46.910 --> 03:22:49.820
for the water and for the utilities,
03:22:49.820 --> 03:22:51.280
we have to see if there's someone
03:22:51.280 --> 03:22:52.970
who could work with the cities
03:22:52.970 --> 03:22:57.970
who are providing the housing relief.
03:22:58.100 --> 03:23:01.190
If we could piggyback there
somehow to help that person,
03:23:01.190 --> 03:23:03.390
who's going through that to get
03:23:03.390 --> 03:23:07.090
also the utility plus on there.
03:23:07.090 --> 03:23:08.590
But yeah, it's really tedious.
03:23:10.260 --> 03:23:12.930
It's very hard to help the community
03:23:12.930 --> 03:23:15.620
because they don't
have the language skills
03:23:15.620 --> 03:23:18.080
and they don't have
the procedural skills
03:23:18.080 --> 03:23:19.640
or the paperwork, right?
03:23:19.640 --> 03:23:23.800
Just to get from a homeowner
who rents their house.
03:23:23.800 --> 03:23:27.390
Who's also working in the
fields, but they bought a home,
03:23:27.390 --> 03:23:29.360
when they older kids were working, now,
03:23:29.360 --> 03:23:31.320
their homeowners and their renters,
03:23:31.320 --> 03:23:33.430
but they don't know how
to help that homeowner
03:23:33.430 --> 03:23:35.590
or that renter to get that assistance.
03:23:35.590 --> 03:23:38.098
It's like, you guys don't
even understand how,
03:23:38.098 --> 03:23:42.739
whatever crazy Alice in
Wonderland procedures
03:23:42.739 --> 03:23:46.330
has felt for us to
help families with this.
03:23:46.330 --> 03:23:47.800
So these recommendations, like I said,
03:23:47.800 --> 03:23:49.043
when, if you could give us a list,
03:23:49.043 --> 03:23:52.220
once they are adopted or
ready for implementation,
03:23:52.220 --> 03:23:56.130
and then two is seeing how
the data sharing can help
03:23:56.130 --> 03:23:59.690
or piggyback on those other services
03:23:59.690 --> 03:24:01.073
that the state is providing right now,
03:24:01.073 --> 03:24:03.140
because the state is
providing these funds
03:24:03.140 --> 03:24:04.820
and they have more of the personnel
03:24:04.820 --> 03:24:06.610
and the equipment to do this.
03:24:06.610 --> 03:24:08.610
A lot of CBLs don't have a lot
03:24:08.610 --> 03:24:10.590
of these scanning equipment stuff,
03:24:10.590 --> 03:24:13.230
they have one printer
that was made for printing.
03:24:13.230 --> 03:24:15.501
And I had also scan it's a big hurdle.
03:24:15.501 --> 03:24:16.410
So yeah.
03:24:16.410 --> 03:24:18.380
Good thing that were changes reported to
03:24:18.380 --> 03:24:20.990
that they're being innovative
by taking a picture of it,
03:24:20.990 --> 03:24:22.938
a screenshot of it.
03:24:22.938 --> 03:24:25.033
And a lot of people know
those things, but thank you.
03:24:29.910 --> 03:24:31.900
Thank you, Board Member Medina,
03:24:31.900 --> 03:24:35.083
other questions or comments
from members of the board?
03:24:37.590 --> 03:24:38.990
Board Member Wembley, Jason.
03:24:40.540 --> 03:24:43.623
And this question is
for the Commission,
03:24:44.910 --> 03:24:49.320
as we are talking about
these additional resources
03:24:49.320 --> 03:24:51.040
where they're coming
from the federal government
03:24:51.040 --> 03:24:54.580
or the state to address
utility arrearages,
03:24:54.580 --> 03:24:57.223
water arrearages, et cetera,
03:24:57.223 --> 03:24:58.860
and this going through this process
03:24:58.860 --> 03:25:00.980
of formulating these recommendations,
03:25:00.980 --> 03:25:04.212
going back to chair's
comments about process
03:25:04.212 --> 03:25:08.190
and how it was, I think
kind of enlightening
03:25:08.190 --> 03:25:10.830
to understand how some
of the recommendations
03:25:10.830 --> 03:25:12.580
that we offer had to navigate some of
03:25:12.580 --> 03:25:15.230
the existing decisions or open decisions
03:25:15.230 --> 03:25:16.960
as a natural tie-in.
03:25:16.960 --> 03:25:19.192
But my question is like, we're again,
03:25:19.192 --> 03:25:22.090
dealing with an emergency situation
03:25:22.090 --> 03:25:26.890
and in emergency response,
what mechanisms do we have
03:25:26.890 --> 03:25:30.410
if we see an opportunity where these,
03:25:30.410 --> 03:25:32.370
there are emergency
dollars that we would like
03:25:32.370 --> 03:25:35.714
to figure out how best
to optimize this use
03:25:35.714 --> 03:25:40.450
and the optimization of those
dollars requires coordination
03:25:40.450 --> 03:25:45.320
or some type of activity
or assistance with a utility,
03:25:45.320 --> 03:25:47.540
whether it be energy or water,
03:25:47.540 --> 03:25:49.340
what's the mechanisms that we have
03:25:49.340 --> 03:25:51.023
at our disposal to do that?
03:25:54.305 --> 03:25:57.580
I'll take a first stab at that.
03:25:57.580 --> 03:26:02.580
And Jason, by the meantime,
for the CPUC staff, the team,
03:26:04.966 --> 03:26:07.970
thank you so much for the presentation.
03:26:07.970 --> 03:26:11.563
And it was a team
that put that together,
03:26:12.850 --> 03:26:16.630
step-by-step, that was
very, very informative.
03:26:16.630 --> 03:26:19.324
Now, okay, so, Jason,
03:26:19.324 --> 03:26:22.900
I don't know if we
have our legal counsel
03:26:22.900 --> 03:26:27.260
on the line as well,
but there have been,
03:26:27.260 --> 03:26:29.650
a year ago when we
were doing a whole bunch
03:26:29.650 --> 03:26:34.650
of emergency things, we,
depending on the action taken,
03:26:35.140 --> 03:26:40.140
we used an executive director order
03:26:41.811 --> 03:26:44.507
and our executive director
is Rachel Peterson ,
03:26:45.480 --> 03:26:49.760
and followed up by a vote of the board.
03:26:49.760 --> 03:26:54.520
We also used assigned
Commissioner rulings
03:26:55.500 --> 03:26:58.173
to quickly get things done.
03:26:59.624 --> 03:27:04.473
We also utilized industry
division resolutions.
03:27:05.730 --> 03:27:07.750
And there could be a few more things.
03:27:07.750 --> 03:27:10.470
So we can harken back
to how do we handle things
03:27:10.470 --> 03:27:14.493
a year ago to quickly
put in place various things.
03:27:16.970 --> 03:27:20.822
Gosh, somebody needs
to remind me, is it CSD
03:27:20.822 --> 03:27:24.150
that so far as being assigned lead role
03:27:24.150 --> 03:27:28.790
on the energy arrearages,
'cause those energy arrearages
03:27:28.790 --> 03:27:33.790
monies that are making their
way through the state budget,
03:27:35.500 --> 03:27:38.403
the Governor has not yet
signed the state budget.
03:27:40.060 --> 03:27:44.170
That is not only for the
regulated energy utilities,
03:27:44.170 --> 03:27:48.980
is also for the
municipal utilities as well.
03:27:48.980 --> 03:27:52.520
Okay, so that's that flow through CSD
03:27:53.437 --> 03:27:55.740
and then within those arrearages,
03:27:55.740 --> 03:27:59.910
how does one prioritize
low-income and non low-income?
03:27:59.910 --> 03:28:03.786
Because there are lot of
non low-income customers.
03:28:03.786 --> 03:28:05.743
We've got our arrearages just as well,
03:28:06.930 --> 03:28:09.260
but there's limited amount of money.
03:28:09.260 --> 03:28:10.683
So, okay.
03:28:11.910 --> 03:28:15.290
I think there are some
folks who are posting
03:28:16.300 --> 03:28:17.777
in the chat and I'll stop there
03:28:17.777 --> 03:28:21.650
and see if the CPUC
team have anything else
03:28:21.650 --> 03:28:24.903
to add or correct to what I just said.
03:28:38.700 --> 03:28:40.330
Just want to thank you,
Commissioner, for the response.
03:28:40.330 --> 03:28:41.163
That's helpful.
03:28:43.560 --> 03:28:44.700
Okay, excellent.
03:28:44.700 --> 03:28:47.101
Any other cause or
hope, sorry, go ahead.
03:28:47.101 --> 03:28:52.101
Lauren has put a
question utility arrearages
03:28:52.300 --> 03:28:56.680
of someone who's been
displaced or even to, yeah.
03:28:56.680 --> 03:29:01.020
So we don't want to lose
track of such customers
03:29:01.020 --> 03:29:04.470
and again, working with CSD,
03:29:04.470 --> 03:29:07.290
the Commission and the utilities,
03:29:07.290 --> 03:29:09.960
what we'll want to figure
out what the priorities
03:29:09.960 --> 03:29:12.800
and for the use of those state dollars
03:29:13.800 --> 03:29:16.983
to defray these deaths.
03:29:21.770 --> 03:29:22.760
Okay.
03:29:22.760 --> 03:29:26.673
Any other questions or comments
from members of the board?
03:29:29.980 --> 03:29:31.730
Okay, excellent.
03:29:31.730 --> 03:29:34.250
We will move on then to item nine,
03:29:34.250 --> 03:29:37.023
which is the joints
investor owned utilities,
03:29:38.000 --> 03:29:39.060
status reports.
03:29:39.060 --> 03:29:43.400
As always, instead of presenting, I use,
03:29:43.400 --> 03:29:46.970
I have shared their slides
and advanced in this period
03:29:46.970 --> 03:29:51.970
of time is for board
members to ask questions.
03:29:52.185 --> 03:29:54.520
Jessica, is there anything
else you wanted to add
03:29:54.520 --> 03:29:56.513
before we begin on this item?
03:29:57.520 --> 03:29:58.353
Yeah, thank you.
03:29:58.353 --> 03:30:00.300
I'll just quickly mention overall,
03:30:00.300 --> 03:30:03.840
the utilities are in a good
space, program activity
03:30:03.840 --> 03:30:06.383
has picked up from the onset of COVID,
03:30:07.680 --> 03:30:09.870
and we're all working
through our bridge funding
03:30:09.870 --> 03:30:12.970
and we are all ramping up
our implementation efforts
03:30:12.970 --> 03:30:14.940
based on our recent decision.
03:30:14.940 --> 03:30:17.433
And we're looking forward
to the discussion today.
03:30:20.780 --> 03:30:22.490
Okay, thank you.
03:30:22.490 --> 03:30:25.848
With that, happy to open it
up to questions and comments
03:30:25.848 --> 03:30:27.423
from members of the board.
03:30:29.960 --> 03:30:34.523
Board Member Medina and go ahead.
03:30:36.460 --> 03:30:37.293
Thank you.
03:30:37.293 --> 03:30:41.400
I have to say that I really
enjoyed seeing the CARE program
03:30:41.400 --> 03:30:45.894
slide and all it says
page two here, but the,
03:30:45.894 --> 03:30:50.894
because of my area,
the 58% that we're to date
03:30:51.900 --> 03:30:55.040
in process and seeing
that we have newly enrolled,
03:30:55.040 --> 03:30:59.950
77,000 newly enrolled
customers that had never been
03:30:59.950 --> 03:31:01.730
enrolled, it would be my question.
03:31:01.730 --> 03:31:05.310
And if this could be
something that we could look
03:31:05.310 --> 03:31:10.137
at this number maybe a
year from now this 77,664,
03:31:12.159 --> 03:31:15.493
the, I guess if they're new or what,
03:31:15.493 --> 03:31:18.830
what the progress was
because this would maybe
03:31:18.830 --> 03:31:21.750
reflect customers that
because of the pandemia,
03:31:21.750 --> 03:31:24.930
because of the COVID and
all that they were reached out
03:31:24.930 --> 03:31:27.610
to were able to pay
attention, to get access,
03:31:27.610 --> 03:31:29.900
to join the CARE program.
03:31:29.900 --> 03:31:32.370
So I don't know if that's
possible, that'd be great,
03:31:32.370 --> 03:31:37.330
but it's good to see that
you are all at an 110%, past
03:31:37.330 --> 03:31:39.190
100% penetration.
03:31:39.190 --> 03:31:41.935
So that's really exciting
from when I came on,
03:31:41.935 --> 03:31:44.150
I know like two or three
years ago, and I was like,
03:31:44.150 --> 03:31:46.630
this is not a good percent
year they're giving me and it was
03:31:46.630 --> 03:31:47.583
a fourth quarter.
03:31:48.769 --> 03:31:51.353
So I'm excited to see that
we're getting there, thank you.
03:31:56.440 --> 03:31:58.673
Thanks Lordis,
any other questions?
03:32:01.030 --> 03:32:01.863
Yep.
03:32:02.700 --> 03:32:03.533
Yeah.
03:32:05.160 --> 03:32:07.140
Thank you.
03:32:07.140 --> 03:32:09.770
You know with the
new decision, we have a,
03:32:09.770 --> 03:32:14.640
I team emphasis on FERA
and in connection with,
03:32:14.640 --> 03:32:18.060
obviously enrollment and
greater levels of penetration.
03:32:18.060 --> 03:32:22.860
And so we have some
unique areas in terms of CARE
03:32:22.860 --> 03:32:27.860
and perhaps single
fuel utilities and, or a
03:32:29.660 --> 03:32:34.340
great swath of Southern
California that has a combination of
03:32:34.340 --> 03:32:37.900
an investor-owned utility
and a municipal utility.
03:32:37.900 --> 03:32:41.193
I'm thinking about Southern
California Gas, LADWP,
03:32:42.640 --> 03:32:46.930
and then also with the gas
company to a smaller degree,
03:32:46.930 --> 03:32:50.920
they have some overlap in
terms of energy services with PGD.
03:32:50.920 --> 03:32:52.400
So having said that,
03:32:52.400 --> 03:32:54.140
I think it makes an awful lot of sense
03:32:54.140 --> 03:32:57.533
for us to explore with CARE outreach.
03:32:57.533 --> 03:33:00.480
And thanks to the Commission.
03:33:00.480 --> 03:33:03.220
The capitation was
increased from 20 to $30.
03:33:03.220 --> 03:33:06.720
I mean, that's fact, we should
see some differences there,
03:33:06.720 --> 03:33:11.140
but I think that what we can
do to also help both sides of
03:33:11.140 --> 03:33:15.130
the fence, natural gas,
as well as electricity,
03:33:15.130 --> 03:33:17.360
to see much more of a coordinated effort
03:33:17.360 --> 03:33:20.990
with outreach contractors
that would represent
03:33:20.990 --> 03:33:24.210
not just one utility,
but would conceivably
03:33:24.210 --> 03:33:28.570
represent different
utilities in combination
03:33:28.570 --> 03:33:32.110
with both electricity and natural gas,
03:33:32.110 --> 03:33:36.490
and especially bringing
along in their tool box,
03:33:36.490 --> 03:33:40.770
the FAIR program for
potential eligibility and Walnut.
03:33:40.770 --> 03:33:43.390
So that would be one thing
that I would bring forward
03:33:43.390 --> 03:33:46.780
that I think could almost
make an immediate difference
03:33:46.780 --> 03:33:49.620
in terms of our FAIR
penetration, together
03:33:49.620 --> 03:33:53.120
with our deeper dive in connection
03:33:53.120 --> 03:33:56.950
with low-income households
that may have a municipal utility
03:33:56.950 --> 03:34:01.950
on the electric side and an
IOU on the natural gas side.
03:34:02.370 --> 03:34:03.203
Thank you.
03:34:09.202 --> 03:34:14.202
And if I could tag onto what
Robert just said on FERA Act,
03:34:15.397 --> 03:34:20.397
the decision, well, first of
all, FERA has tended to be
03:34:23.502 --> 03:34:28.502
not highly signed up
for program is as far
03:34:29.230 --> 03:34:32.020
as I think about on average,
03:34:32.020 --> 03:34:37.020
it's been about 20% of
those folks who are left,
03:34:37.200 --> 03:34:39.750
and less than 20% of
the folks who are eligible
03:34:39.750 --> 03:34:41.247
have been signing up.
03:34:41.247 --> 03:34:44.644
Now during the
pandemic that if I recall,
03:34:44.644 --> 03:34:48.483
it's gone up to an approximate 27%.
03:34:50.150 --> 03:34:55.150
We have tasked the IOUs to
take that up to 50% by 2023,
03:34:59.090 --> 03:35:01.180
it's just a couple of years away.
03:35:01.180 --> 03:35:06.180
And so that will require a very focused
03:35:07.370 --> 03:35:11.600
and very strong effort of Robert
03:35:11.600 --> 03:35:16.500
to double the number
of folks who are eligible
03:35:16.500 --> 03:35:21.500
to get signed up, and
the notion of coordinating
03:35:22.940 --> 03:35:25.333
with the municipal utilities.
03:35:28.205 --> 03:35:32.830
Well, maybe Jessica can
speak to that, but we are looking
03:35:32.830 --> 03:35:37.510
at under the energy efficiency program
03:35:38.994 --> 03:35:41.044
to make it easier
for folks to coordinate
03:35:47.570 --> 03:35:52.210
between the and the investor
owned utilities on that again,
03:35:52.210 --> 03:35:54.230
all towards creating those synergies
03:35:54.230 --> 03:35:56.013
that you're talking about.
03:35:57.110 --> 03:36:01.010
So, there are efforts
underway on these things.
03:36:01.010 --> 03:36:04.620
Now, Lordis I think said
you forgot one more thing,
03:36:04.620 --> 03:36:07.193
I'll turn the mic over, thank you.
03:36:11.714 --> 03:36:13.577
Can I go with somebody else?
03:36:14.690 --> 03:36:15.840
You were next, sorry.
03:36:18.970 --> 03:36:21.360
So on the Energy
Savings Assistance Program,
03:36:21.360 --> 03:36:23.270
I had a question looking at all this
03:36:23.270 --> 03:36:25.460
because my family lives down.
03:36:25.460 --> 03:36:28.160
My sister lives down
in Southern California,
03:36:28.160 --> 03:36:30.380
and I wanted to see if we
could get more knowledge
03:36:30.380 --> 03:36:32.270
or you could give me more knowledge
03:36:32.270 --> 03:36:37.270
and how in Southern California
is like near Aliso Canyon.
03:36:39.210 --> 03:36:42.290
She, her multi-unit apartments.
03:36:42.290 --> 03:36:45.790
Well, she lives in
apartments, her utility billing
03:36:45.790 --> 03:36:50.360
goes through her apartment owner
03:36:50.360 --> 03:36:53.720
and how much is being charged?
03:36:53.720 --> 03:36:56.850
I feel it's at the highest tier rate.
03:36:56.850 --> 03:36:58.330
And she says she has no say in
03:36:58.330 --> 03:37:00.570
that they just increased it for a bill,
03:37:00.570 --> 03:37:04.345
like almost $100 more than what it was.
03:37:04.345 --> 03:37:07.190
And I don't know how that
works because that's kind of,
03:37:07.190 --> 03:37:10.660
it sounds like all of the tenants
03:37:10.660 --> 03:37:11.850
that is then I think they have,
03:37:11.850 --> 03:37:15.760
there's only 50 units in
that apartment complex
03:37:15.760 --> 03:37:17.210
and they get billed like that.
03:37:17.210 --> 03:37:19.260
So that's a little bit too much in
03:37:19.260 --> 03:37:22.740
by Kirk total bill right
now is like almost $214.
03:37:22.740 --> 03:37:23.670
That's ridiculous.
03:37:23.670 --> 03:37:25.500
So I don't know how that goes about,
03:37:25.500 --> 03:37:27.360
and she says, why can't get CARE
03:37:27.360 --> 03:37:31.060
because I paid through my house bill.
03:37:31.060 --> 03:37:34.790
So I just want to know that's
what we mean by multilevel.
03:37:34.790 --> 03:37:37.040
I know we don't, but I just want to see
03:37:37.040 --> 03:37:39.670
if we can a future
get something on that.
03:37:39.670 --> 03:37:41.770
Especially if whoever's in that region.
03:37:41.770 --> 03:37:43.740
I don't know what the company is that.
03:37:48.453 --> 03:37:51.070
With the supposition that
this is Southern California,
03:37:51.070 --> 03:37:56.050
California Edison territory, Jessica,
03:37:56.050 --> 03:37:57.500
do you have any insights?
03:37:57.500 --> 03:38:01.330
And beyond that, Lordis,
we should connect you up
03:38:01.330 --> 03:38:05.970
with our consumer affairs branch
03:38:05.970 --> 03:38:10.513
who helped individual
customers navigate this.
03:38:11.990 --> 03:38:14.890
Yeah, actually I did have
her go on the website and say,
03:38:14.890 --> 03:38:16.087
go in there and put all your paperwork
03:38:16.087 --> 03:38:18.193
and we'll see how that works.
03:38:18.193 --> 03:38:20.280
So as soon as that, we
get a response, bring it back.
03:38:20.280 --> 03:38:21.789
Yeah.
03:38:21.789 --> 03:38:25.860
For someone who lives in a
multifamily and we charge the
03:38:25.860 --> 03:38:29.460
utility bill through,
through that multifamily and
03:38:29.460 --> 03:38:33.203
not able to falsify for CARE?
03:38:36.220 --> 03:38:39.750
Commissioner, this is
Eugene from SDG&E.
03:38:39.750 --> 03:38:44.750
We do have the customers who
have a master service account,
03:38:46.080 --> 03:38:49.017
meaning the electric bill is distributed
03:38:49.017 --> 03:38:50.190
through the tenants.
03:38:50.190 --> 03:38:53.690
We do offer CARE
rate for those customers.
03:38:53.690 --> 03:38:56.950
So maybe Lordis, we'll
coordinate with you offline
03:38:56.950 --> 03:38:58.550
and find out what's going on.
03:38:58.550 --> 03:39:03.130
I'll have one of my team
members search the account
03:39:03.130 --> 03:39:04.330
and we'll go from there.
03:39:06.026 --> 03:39:06.859
Thank you.
03:39:06.859 --> 03:39:08.440
Because unfortunately,
03:39:08.440 --> 03:39:10.195
because everything
we've been going through,
03:39:10.195 --> 03:39:13.620
it's a lot open for
abuses and I was like, no,
03:39:13.620 --> 03:39:14.460
you have three kids.
03:39:14.460 --> 03:39:16.053
You should qualify for CARE.
03:39:16.053 --> 03:39:17.990
I don't care if it goes
through there, but thank you.
03:39:17.990 --> 03:39:20.390
Happy to check the
account for you, thank you.
03:39:22.010 --> 03:39:23.430
I guess Lordis,
one of the things
03:39:23.430 --> 03:39:25.640
that you could do on the front end
03:39:25.640 --> 03:39:29.000
with your sister is that, again,
03:39:29.000 --> 03:39:32.233
with the multiple
children in the household,
03:39:33.140 --> 03:39:36.380
clearly with the federal
poverty guidelines on income
03:39:36.380 --> 03:39:38.890
that are established
for CARE eligibility,
03:39:38.890 --> 03:39:41.740
those are things that you
can kind of do on the front end
03:39:42.600 --> 03:39:45.723
to see if, again, she qualifies.
03:39:45.723 --> 03:39:46.612
I have no way of knowing,
03:39:46.612 --> 03:39:48.610
because I don't know what her income is.
03:39:48.610 --> 03:39:50.530
Yeah, but she
doesn't get a bill
03:39:50.530 --> 03:39:52.832
from PG&E or for medicine, or nothing.
03:39:52.832 --> 03:39:54.450
Right, right.
03:39:54.450 --> 03:39:58.230
Yeah, because it's typically
a single meter at the property.
03:39:58.230 --> 03:40:00.830
And so there's some
sort of algorithm or formula
03:40:00.830 --> 03:40:02.990
that they use to come up with a bill.
03:40:02.990 --> 03:40:04.520
And again, maybe that's something Edison
03:40:04.520 --> 03:40:07.280
can help you with too,
because if it ain't cool,
03:40:07.280 --> 03:40:08.113
you know what I mean?
03:40:08.113 --> 03:40:11.340
I mean, if I'm not
saying this is going on,
03:40:11.340 --> 03:40:14.960
but again, it bears looking into,
03:40:14.960 --> 03:40:16.950
and that is contingent upon the fact
03:40:16.950 --> 03:40:18.320
that she qualifies for CARE.
03:40:18.320 --> 03:40:20.700
Clearly, she'll get
the assistance right.
03:40:20.700 --> 03:40:25.490
Or FERA Or if that's not
the case, we have plan B,
03:40:25.490 --> 03:40:28.910
which is to kind of look
at the property owner
03:40:28.910 --> 03:40:30.130
and seeing what they're doing,
03:40:30.130 --> 03:40:32.740
but the billing based on single meter.
03:40:32.740 --> 03:40:34.567
And that's where Jean
03:40:35.670 --> 03:40:40.130
from our CPUC Enforcement Division,
03:40:40.130 --> 03:40:43.053
that's where she has
offered to work with Lordis
03:40:43.053 --> 03:40:44.287
on that became this.
03:40:44.287 --> 03:40:48.973
And I'm sure that Jessica,
even will help as well.
03:40:50.780 --> 03:40:51.613
Okay.
03:40:53.310 --> 03:40:55.902
Since it says I've taken a mic,
03:40:55.902 --> 03:41:00.902
I just wanted to say that to the IOUs,
03:41:00.980 --> 03:41:04.590
thank you for the slide deck.
03:41:04.590 --> 03:41:07.960
A lot of work goes into
preparing the slide deck.
03:41:07.960 --> 03:41:12.960
I want to emphasize to the
IOUs that many of us use
03:41:13.120 --> 03:41:17.840
the slide deck as a resource page,
03:41:17.840 --> 03:41:22.840
where we go to this to
look at the latest metrics,
03:41:23.280 --> 03:41:25.060
the programs that you're working on,
03:41:25.060 --> 03:41:29.810
the status reports and we routinely go
03:41:31.320 --> 03:41:32.647
to this information.
03:41:32.647 --> 03:41:37.647
So, while we are not asking
for a presentation in detail,
03:41:42.640 --> 03:41:44.350
many, and we are reading through it,
03:41:44.350 --> 03:41:47.243
and many of us are using
this as that resource now.
03:41:47.243 --> 03:41:52.243
I just want to, once again, acknowledge,
03:41:53.970 --> 03:41:56.840
and I set up before in the
San Diego Gas& Electric
03:41:56.840 --> 03:42:00.080
territory, there are
just a handful of areas
03:42:00.080 --> 03:42:05.080
that it is just hard to get
folks to sign up for CARE.
03:42:05.235 --> 03:42:08.500
And Miguel, I mean,
03:42:08.500 --> 03:42:11.840
one could have a notion
that these are areas Coronado
03:42:11.840 --> 03:42:14.440
and so forth that are
higher income areas,
03:42:14.440 --> 03:42:18.280
but there are people
living there who qualify
03:42:18.280 --> 03:42:23.280
and the sheer number
of people in growing well,
03:42:23.640 --> 03:42:27.510
be far less than say in
a more populated area,
03:42:27.510 --> 03:42:30.400
but I appreciate all
the efforts being made.
03:42:30.400 --> 03:42:32.440
It's it looks like during the pandemic,
03:42:32.440 --> 03:42:36.063
the numbers actually
improved in those areas.
03:42:37.096 --> 03:42:39.480
All right, I'll stop
there and turn the mic
03:42:39.480 --> 03:42:40.803
over to somebody else.
03:42:44.730 --> 03:42:45.563
Thank you, Commissioner.
03:42:45.563 --> 03:42:48.683
Other questions or comments
from members of the board?
03:42:53.310 --> 03:42:55.140
Okay, well thank you once again,
03:42:55.140 --> 03:42:58.150
to the IOUs for their always
thorough presentation,
03:42:58.150 --> 03:43:00.740
echoing all the Commissioner's comments.
03:43:00.740 --> 03:43:03.760
We're going to go ahead and oh,
03:43:03.760 --> 03:43:06.030
the next item is a break
in four minutes early.
03:43:06.030 --> 03:43:11.030
So we will come back at
2:25, start five minutes early.
03:43:12.140 --> 03:43:13.490
If that works for everyone?
03:43:16.902 --> 03:43:18.930
And apologies, I
will need to leave
03:43:18.930 --> 03:43:19.990
this meeting and go to another,
03:43:19.990 --> 03:43:21.810
but have a good rest of
the afternoon, everybody.
03:43:21.810 --> 03:43:23.003
Thank you so much.
03:43:23.930 --> 03:43:25.860
Thank you, Commissioner.
03:43:25.860 --> 03:43:26.693
Thank you.
03:43:31.920 --> 03:43:35.670
So we're going to
Zoom with the view,
03:43:35.670 --> 03:43:38.800
revisit items that we
have left on the agenda.
03:43:38.800 --> 03:43:42.890
I know a number of
individuals have hard 3:30 stops,
03:43:42.890 --> 03:43:46.793
so we'll do our best
to try to end early.
03:43:47.710 --> 03:43:52.010
So folks could come
back, turn on their screens.
03:43:52.010 --> 03:43:53.610
That'd be great and get started.
03:44:08.800 --> 03:44:12.120
Okay, I think we have seven.
03:44:12.120 --> 03:44:17.120
I think that's a quorum for
us to get going on a couple of
03:44:17.730 --> 03:44:21.130
quick items so I can
help with the first one,
03:44:21.130 --> 03:44:24.706
the technical advisory
committee didn't meet this last
03:44:24.706 --> 03:44:28.910
quarter is a lot of our focus
was tied to the decision and
03:44:28.910 --> 03:44:31.290
the resolution and some of
the other items we had updates
03:44:31.290 --> 03:44:33.767
on, but I suspect
there will be an update
03:44:33.767 --> 03:44:35.373
at the next meeting.
03:44:36.722 --> 03:44:39.660
And that brings us to item 11,
03:44:39.660 --> 03:44:42.033
which are the subcommittee reports.
03:44:43.840 --> 03:44:46.209
Subcommittees several
times committee did meet,
03:44:46.209 --> 03:44:49.210
including the Low-Income
Energy Assistance Program
03:44:49.210 --> 03:44:53.713
subcommittee jointly with
water and climate change.
03:44:54.740 --> 03:44:56.750
But most of them, if not all,
03:44:56.750 --> 03:45:01.750
were tied to updates on the
resolution and or the decision,
03:45:02.150 --> 03:45:03.410
but with that,
03:45:03.410 --> 03:45:08.410
happy to open it up to comments
and input from members about
03:45:10.030 --> 03:45:12.333
the committees or subcommittee reports.
03:45:14.024 --> 03:45:15.524
We can go in order, I suppose,
03:45:16.700 --> 03:45:19.200
whatever caffeinated do
you have any updates for the
03:45:19.200 --> 03:45:22.440
Low-Income Energy
Assistance Programs Committee?
03:45:22.440 --> 03:45:25.030
No, I think that what are
the things that was happening?
03:45:25.030 --> 03:45:29.200
We're in the final throes of
looking at a PD to be affirmed
03:45:29.200 --> 03:45:32.250
where the red line
document to the voted on,
03:45:32.250 --> 03:45:36.140
which was done some 10 days ago,
03:45:36.140 --> 03:45:38.330
as the Commissioner
mentioned with the five/zero votes.
03:45:38.330 --> 03:45:41.090
So now we got it,
now we need to work it.
03:45:41.090 --> 03:45:44.494
So that's kind of where we're at.
03:45:44.494 --> 03:45:46.700
There are some key changes
in this that will affect this
03:45:46.700 --> 03:45:48.618
subcommittee, I think,
03:45:48.618 --> 03:45:52.050
as was mentioned earlier
that utilities have 90 days
03:45:52.050 --> 03:45:56.010
subsequent to the affirmation of
03:45:56.010 --> 03:45:59.810
the decision to file a
tier two advice letter.
03:45:59.810 --> 03:46:02.023
I think it makes some sense, Mr. Chair,
03:46:03.279 --> 03:46:08.279
because again, I think Alison
Oban also made mention,
03:46:08.487 --> 03:46:10.340
and I happen to agree completely.
03:46:10.340 --> 03:46:12.970
Whatever we can do in
advance with stakeholders
03:46:12.970 --> 03:46:15.470
to not delay the process,
03:46:15.470 --> 03:46:18.860
but to be as inclusive
as we possibly can
03:46:20.090 --> 03:46:22.410
with whatever comes out in the way of
03:46:22.410 --> 03:46:26.180
a confirmed advice letter
in terms of the program,
03:46:26.180 --> 03:46:30.403
we should take advantage of
perhaps opportunities to have
03:46:31.870 --> 03:46:36.310
the utilities make a short
presentation on what they're
03:46:36.310 --> 03:46:38.660
planning to put in their advice letters,
03:46:38.660 --> 03:46:41.450
responsive to the
Commission and the decision.
03:46:41.450 --> 03:46:43.790
And I thought that
potentially we could do those
03:46:43.790 --> 03:46:45.887
presentations through a sub committee.
03:46:47.500 --> 03:46:48.797
Sounds like a good idea.
03:46:48.797 --> 03:46:51.547
So the timing on that would
likely be mid-to-late July.
03:46:53.110 --> 03:46:54.390
Yes.
03:46:54.390 --> 03:46:55.723
Okay.
03:46:55.723 --> 03:46:57.890
I think that's in lockstep with
a couple of the other items
03:46:57.890 --> 03:47:00.030
that were being planned
for that committee anyway.
03:47:00.030 --> 03:47:01.860
So that sounds like a good idea.
03:47:01.860 --> 03:47:04.640
And we can work on
that offline, perhaps.
03:47:04.640 --> 03:47:07.835
Did other members of that
committee have any other
03:47:07.835 --> 03:47:09.743
comments or question?
03:47:13.820 --> 03:47:14.653
Okay.
03:47:15.540 --> 03:47:18.910
I don't believe the LINA
committee met since our last board
03:47:18.910 --> 03:47:22.050
meeting, nor did the
legislative subcommittee,
03:47:22.050 --> 03:47:26.680
although with deadlines that
may happen this quarter, Jeff,
03:47:26.680 --> 03:47:29.686
were there any reports from
the Water and Climate Change
03:47:29.686 --> 03:47:30.519
Committee?
03:47:32.810 --> 03:47:37.130
No, we didn't
meet this quarter,
03:47:37.130 --> 03:47:40.366
but I take it as an action item
03:47:40.366 --> 03:47:45.180
that we will have a
subcommittee meeting prior
03:47:46.340 --> 03:47:49.470
to the September meeting
and have some discussions
03:47:49.470 --> 03:47:51.270
with state Water Board,
03:47:51.270 --> 03:47:53.930
both about AB-401 and some other issues
03:47:53.930 --> 03:47:55.833
that came up on the call today.
03:47:58.160 --> 03:47:59.220
Okay, that sounds good.
03:47:59.220 --> 03:48:03.403
Perhaps that might be a
good place, if that makes sense.
03:48:03.403 --> 03:48:08.403
The meteorologist from the
National Weather Service make
03:48:08.660 --> 03:48:12.313
a presentation on the
heat advisory index.
03:48:14.960 --> 03:48:16.040
Excellent.
03:48:16.040 --> 03:48:18.776
So this is also the time
just as a friendly reminder,
03:48:18.776 --> 03:48:21.970
any board member wishes
to add themselves and remove
03:48:21.970 --> 03:48:24.020
themselves from one
of the sub committees
03:48:24.940 --> 03:48:26.253
that they may do so.
03:48:36.110 --> 03:48:37.840
Okay, excellent.
03:48:37.840 --> 03:48:41.690
We will move on to item 12.
03:48:41.690 --> 03:48:44.720
I was told Jason had to
step out for a brief minute,
03:48:44.720 --> 03:48:49.570
but there's no updates
at this specific meeting.
03:48:49.570 --> 03:48:54.503
However, there may be at
the other one, for item 13,
03:48:55.450 --> 03:48:57.333
I can provide an update that's,
03:48:58.180 --> 03:49:01.620
we're planning to reach
out to this group to set up
03:49:01.620 --> 03:49:03.760
an initial meeting this quarter,
03:49:03.760 --> 03:49:06.330
as well as potentially
the Lifeline Committee,
03:49:06.330 --> 03:49:07.336
just to see how we might be able
03:49:07.336 --> 03:49:10.160
to coordinate our work together.
03:49:10.160 --> 03:49:11.440
His advisory groups,
03:49:11.440 --> 03:49:14.630
hopefully we'll have some
substantive updates about an item
03:49:14.630 --> 03:49:16.340
at the next board meeting,
03:49:16.340 --> 03:49:19.020
but that's all preliminary
at this point is a lot of our
03:49:19.020 --> 03:49:23.150
focus has been on the
decision and resolution.
03:49:23.150 --> 03:49:26.329
And so that's really it as
far as updates are concerned
03:49:26.329 --> 03:49:31.329
for item 13, unless anybody
has any questions or comments.
03:49:37.610 --> 03:49:38.560
Okay, great.
03:49:38.560 --> 03:49:39.653
Moving right along.
03:49:41.395 --> 03:49:44.360
So for wrap-up in closing remarks,
03:49:44.360 --> 03:49:45.900
before I touch on the other item
03:49:45.900 --> 03:49:49.050
of the 20th anniversary, Gillian,
03:49:49.050 --> 03:49:52.740
did you have any comments
about the next board meeting date?
03:49:52.740 --> 03:49:56.733
I know it was somewhat
tentative that finalized or?
03:49:59.250 --> 03:50:01.020
Hi, thank you chair.
03:50:01.020 --> 03:50:06.020
Could I also ask it to advance
the slide deck a little bit?
03:50:06.340 --> 03:50:09.553
We're on wrap up and
closing remarks, thank you.
03:50:11.510 --> 03:50:13.463
And I think one more slide please.
03:50:16.240 --> 03:50:21.220
So at the moment I have a
tentative hold on September 27th,
03:50:21.220 --> 03:50:22.160
which is a Monday,
03:50:22.160 --> 03:50:24.840
which is not a day that we've met.
03:50:24.840 --> 03:50:25.770
Since I've been working,
03:50:25.770 --> 03:50:28.510
I don't know how board
members feel about that,
03:50:28.510 --> 03:50:31.910
but I would say the state is
more tentative than previous
03:50:31.910 --> 03:50:36.206
dates and I'm working quickly
to try and come on a better
03:50:36.206 --> 03:50:37.710
hold for September,
03:50:37.710 --> 03:50:42.070
but I'll probably need another
week or so to get some data
03:50:42.070 --> 03:50:42.903
information.
03:50:46.088 --> 03:50:49.700
But if board members have
comments on September 27th,
03:50:49.700 --> 03:50:50.650
they can raise them now.
03:50:50.650 --> 03:50:54.620
And I can see if we
can find another date.
03:50:54.620 --> 03:50:57.820
For myself, Mondays is a
never note though, so far.
03:50:57.820 --> 03:51:00.260
Okay, okay.
03:51:00.260 --> 03:51:02.260
I had a feeling Mondays would be hard,
03:51:02.260 --> 03:51:04.373
so I will try and find another date.
03:51:07.580 --> 03:51:10.210
Early October might be okay.
03:51:10.210 --> 03:51:11.223
Not Friday?
03:51:14.984 --> 03:51:18.240
I was gonna add
if it's agreeable
03:51:18.240 --> 03:51:20.140
to calendars and of
course we have a lot of time
03:51:20.140 --> 03:51:23.290
to work that out, early October would
03:51:23.290 --> 03:51:25.260
be a little later than
usual for that quarter,
03:51:25.260 --> 03:51:28.000
but if it allowed people to
come back together and what's
03:51:28.000 --> 03:51:33.000
deemed a safe environment
that might be worth doing to avoid
03:51:33.080 --> 03:51:35.600
another WebEx, not that it isn't great,
03:51:35.600 --> 03:51:38.450
but it'd be wonderful
to be back in person.
03:51:38.450 --> 03:51:41.253
It's possible just to consider anything.
03:51:44.100 --> 03:51:47.293
Okay, well, we'll stay
up-to-date on that.
03:51:49.116 --> 03:51:52.033
I just have some very,
very brief closing remarks.
03:51:53.058 --> 03:51:54.650
The last six months or the first
03:51:54.650 --> 03:51:55.720
six months of this year,
03:51:55.720 --> 03:52:00.720
I think has been a tremendous
increase in board activity
03:52:01.090 --> 03:52:05.260
and work particularly with the
resolutions and the decisions
03:52:05.260 --> 03:52:06.093
sort of happening on parallel timelines.
03:52:06.093 --> 03:52:07.736
So just once again,
03:52:07.736 --> 03:52:11.893
thank you to everyone
from the Commission,
03:52:12.912 --> 03:52:14.540
IOUs, all the stakeholders,
03:52:14.540 --> 03:52:16.640
and of course, colleagues here,
03:52:16.640 --> 03:52:18.820
I think our board did excellent work
03:52:18.820 --> 03:52:21.200
and generated a lot of ideas.
03:52:21.200 --> 03:52:23.790
Some were appropriate for the vehicles,
03:52:23.790 --> 03:52:25.870
with the proceeding
and resolution, others
03:52:25.870 --> 03:52:29.770
I think we'll take more
work to work on in the future,
03:52:29.770 --> 03:52:30.603
but nonetheless,
03:52:30.603 --> 03:52:33.870
I think our work that our
board is a really good job.
03:52:33.870 --> 03:52:36.840
So just thank you to
everyone for your contributions.
03:52:36.840 --> 03:52:41.290
And with that is just
a high level update.
03:52:41.290 --> 03:52:45.687
This is our board's
20th year in existence.
03:52:45.687 --> 03:52:47.640
And so we're working
on some preliminaries.
03:52:47.640 --> 03:52:51.400
The biggest of which is
when will it be safe for us all to
03:52:51.400 --> 03:52:56.350
be together in person and
what could be formal or informal
03:52:56.350 --> 03:53:00.170
or semi state functions
that commemorate that?
03:53:00.170 --> 03:53:02.840
So once we figure out that key question,
03:53:02.840 --> 03:53:07.220
we'll probably start figuring
out locations and some of the
03:53:07.220 --> 03:53:09.333
other basic details.
03:53:10.550 --> 03:53:11.560
In the perfect world,
03:53:11.560 --> 03:53:14.200
hopefully at the next
regular quarterly meeting,
03:53:14.200 --> 03:53:16.470
it could be something that
would follow it similar to what
03:53:16.470 --> 03:53:20.353
we saw in San Ecedro for
Mexican Independence Day,
03:53:20.353 --> 03:53:22.610
which means that Board Member Casteneda
03:53:22.610 --> 03:53:24.057
has to get another (speaks Spanish).
03:53:25.280 --> 03:53:28.000
And I think a couple of
board members are vegans,
03:53:28.000 --> 03:53:29.760
so maybe they have a
tofu one now I don't know,
03:53:29.760 --> 03:53:33.350
but in any case, in all seriousness,
03:53:33.350 --> 03:53:35.740
that would be a wonderful way
to come back together for the
03:53:35.740 --> 03:53:38.933
first time and almost two years.
03:53:38.933 --> 03:53:41.990
So that's really it for updates,
03:53:41.990 --> 03:53:45.150
unless of course any other
board members have closing
03:53:45.150 --> 03:53:48.593
remarks, Board Member Medina?
03:53:51.400 --> 03:53:53.387
They have to be closer to
our remarks because I didn't
03:53:53.387 --> 03:53:55.080
listen to my alarm this morning.
03:53:55.080 --> 03:53:56.943
I'm so sorry about that tardiness.
03:53:58.425 --> 03:54:01.300
So in thinking of all the
work that we've been doing
03:54:01.300 --> 03:54:06.130
and the thrust of the
COVID and everything,
03:54:06.130 --> 03:54:09.750
everything changed for every
family member and ourselves.
03:54:09.750 --> 03:54:12.860
I want to give a big shout
out to all of you for putting
03:54:12.860 --> 03:54:16.340
through all this hard work,
because we are making such
03:54:16.340 --> 03:54:20.187
a difference and we're
impacting communities,
03:54:20.187 --> 03:54:22.840
and we're finally having a dialogue
03:54:22.840 --> 03:54:25.792
and I really love that from seeing them,
03:54:25.792 --> 03:54:28.580
the different IOUs
on different platforms,
03:54:28.580 --> 03:54:32.700
online collaborating with Zoom
meetings, with organizations
03:54:32.700 --> 03:54:35.120
and their participants is I
think is really interesting
03:54:35.120 --> 03:54:37.810
and very useful, but
also remembering too,
03:54:37.810 --> 03:54:41.019
that I know the live is
created so that we can help
03:54:41.019 --> 03:54:44.076
with the assisting the
low-income communities.
03:54:44.076 --> 03:54:46.390
But then also this low-income community
03:54:46.390 --> 03:54:50.310
is not only suffer from
the rates or access
03:54:50.310 --> 03:54:52.736
to having homes that
could be energy savers.
03:54:52.736 --> 03:54:56.350
Those are for the terrible conditions
03:54:56.350 --> 03:54:58.420
in their environment where they live.
03:54:58.420 --> 03:55:02.190
And today actually what this
month is 25-year anniversary
03:55:02.190 --> 03:55:04.260
of Hinkley, California.
03:55:04.260 --> 03:55:06.980
And we have to still remember that
03:55:06.980 --> 03:55:10.230
we asked for all of
us to remain vigilant,
03:55:10.230 --> 03:55:13.130
especially the IOUs about our earth
03:55:13.130 --> 03:55:16.280
and how you are working
and what you are doing
03:55:16.280 --> 03:55:18.773
to making sure that we
don't have something like that
03:55:18.773 --> 03:55:23.773
continuing, and
remembering that for-profit,
03:55:23.940 --> 03:55:27.150
or non-profit what
matters is this one planet.
03:55:27.150 --> 03:55:30.650
So I think that we have to
take that in consideration
03:55:30.650 --> 03:55:33.523
and making sure that we're
also looking at those safeguards,
03:55:33.523 --> 03:55:37.300
pandemic or not, where I'm
not thinking my finger off of
03:55:37.300 --> 03:55:41.120
that point, that making
sure that solar is
03:55:41.120 --> 03:55:43.410
the solution that we
also start looking at
03:55:43.410 --> 03:55:45.620
what we're going to
start doing to help families
03:55:45.620 --> 03:55:46.900
with the electrification,
03:55:46.900 --> 03:55:49.460
for them to understand
why we want to do that,
03:55:49.460 --> 03:55:54.060
and live in what is that going
to create more trash, right?
03:55:54.060 --> 03:55:56.230
Because from what I've been
here from the communities
03:55:56.230 --> 03:55:58.100
that they're being told
to electrification means
03:55:58.100 --> 03:56:01.130
that they're only going
to have stove tops
03:56:01.130 --> 03:56:03.590
that are electric, and trust me,
03:56:03.590 --> 03:56:04.990
all the me cows are mad at y'all
03:56:04.990 --> 03:56:08.101
because we hate that electric stuff.
03:56:08.101 --> 03:56:10.050
We like our Fleck-Gerwin.
03:56:10.050 --> 03:56:13.330
So just think about that, right,
03:56:13.330 --> 03:56:17.030
and to the drought being a big concern
03:56:17.030 --> 03:56:19.564
for us in the communities
here in the central valley.
03:56:19.564 --> 03:56:22.910
And not only because
of the lack of water,
03:56:22.910 --> 03:56:25.070
but an access to drill deeper,
03:56:25.070 --> 03:56:27.130
but also our sediment
here in the central valley.
03:56:27.130 --> 03:56:28.470
I mean, there's reports that show
03:56:28.470 --> 03:56:32.190
that we're sinking and
this affects infrastructure
03:56:32.190 --> 03:56:37.060
for not only electricity
and gas and so forth,
03:56:37.060 --> 03:56:40.590
but it does just displaced communities.
03:56:40.590 --> 03:56:43.270
So we have to start
looking at those things also
03:56:43.270 --> 03:56:45.750
in our considerations with the IOUs.
03:56:45.750 --> 03:56:46.583
Thank you.
03:56:48.350 --> 03:56:49.450
Chairman.
03:56:49.450 --> 03:56:51.513
Yeah, I had some
closing comments.
03:56:52.725 --> 03:56:56.530
I think that one of the things
that former Jerry Brown said
03:56:56.530 --> 03:56:58.490
about any and everything
that we deal with
03:56:58.490 --> 03:57:03.490
in the low-income space
or brightly within renewables
03:57:03.740 --> 03:57:07.500
or any other agenda that
we take on through the CPUC,
03:57:07.500 --> 03:57:09.560
it's a period of transition.
03:57:09.560 --> 03:57:13.250
We can't literally address
every issue completely
03:57:14.750 --> 03:57:17.123
in its own place, in its all
03:57:18.095 --> 03:57:20.990
in all it's all at the same time.
03:57:20.990 --> 03:57:24.933
So I think it's a very, very
tough job to CPUC has,
03:57:25.940 --> 03:57:29.490
it's even to some degree, a tougher job
03:57:29.490 --> 03:57:32.630
that utilities have
with this transition.
03:57:32.630 --> 03:57:36.140
I think we need to be mindful
and respectful of that while
03:57:36.140 --> 03:57:38.700
at the same time advocating
for our communities
03:57:38.700 --> 03:57:40.860
and really moving forward,
things that we know.
03:57:42.220 --> 03:57:43.053
Having said that,
03:57:43.053 --> 03:57:45.690
with all of the changes
that we have coming forward
03:57:45.690 --> 03:57:49.287
with this decision,
including some objectives
03:57:51.460 --> 03:57:53.580
that we want to achieve with wages
03:57:53.580 --> 03:57:57.303
and other sorts of program
portfolio development,
03:57:58.430 --> 03:58:01.400
I would advise the
IOUs kind of coming up
03:58:02.280 --> 03:58:06.410
because I know the solicitation
process was mentioned
03:58:06.410 --> 03:58:09.210
within the decision
in terms of the purview
03:58:09.210 --> 03:58:11.493
of the administrators,
which is the IOUs,
03:58:12.530 --> 03:58:14.692
that frankly we've spent a lot of time,
03:58:14.692 --> 03:58:17.520
rate payers have invested a lot of money
03:58:17.520 --> 03:58:21.720
in ensuring our workforce
through our contractor network,
03:58:21.720 --> 03:58:24.253
across the state of
California with ESA program.
03:58:25.219 --> 03:58:28.900
And I think that one
of the big kudos, point
03:58:28.900 --> 03:58:31.560
to the contractors, is
that the Commissioner
03:58:31.560 --> 03:58:34.260
was very keen on involving them
03:58:34.260 --> 03:58:38.550
on the general energy
efficiency side of what we do.
03:58:38.550 --> 03:58:42.470
I think that their
expertise, their ability to,
03:58:42.470 --> 03:58:47.470
frankly, help mold a
program is with great value.
03:58:48.010 --> 03:58:53.010
Having said that I just, I
would be again, very watchful
03:58:53.700 --> 03:58:57.190
and I will be very
watchful that we don't try
03:58:57.190 --> 03:59:02.190
to squeeze financial bandwidth
with any sort of contracts
03:59:03.440 --> 03:59:05.340
coming out of the bridge period
03:59:05.340 --> 03:59:08.266
because I think that two
things we're going to need,
03:59:08.266 --> 03:59:12.160
we're going to need the
ability to grow the program.
03:59:12.160 --> 03:59:15.170
We're going to need the
ability to invest in workers
03:59:15.170 --> 03:59:19.590
in terms of training and
actual job production.
03:59:19.590 --> 03:59:23.320
And we're going to need
the ability to sort of transition.
03:59:23.320 --> 03:59:26.743
And I think that all of that
takes resources, and frankly,
03:59:27.880 --> 03:59:29.990
I've been more impressed
over the last 10 years
03:59:29.990 --> 03:59:32.870
with this program, with
our ESA contractors
03:59:32.870 --> 03:59:35.570
than I have with any
other private sector
03:59:36.470 --> 03:59:40.473
sort of service capacity
that works with government.
03:59:42.119 --> 03:59:46.757
So I would recommend
that we don't do anything
03:59:49.770 --> 03:59:53.130
moving forward, it
destabilizes those relationships
03:59:53.130 --> 03:59:54.500
if that makes sense.
03:59:54.500 --> 03:59:56.680
And again, I'm just sort of thinking
03:59:56.680 --> 03:59:57.950
about all the work ahead.
03:59:57.950 --> 04:00:00.280
I'm thinking about all the change ahead.
04:00:00.280 --> 04:00:03.663
I'm thinking about all the
expertise and really counsel
04:00:03.663 --> 04:00:06.020
that will be needed kind of moving
04:00:06.020 --> 04:00:08.080
towards the next two years.
04:00:08.080 --> 04:00:10.860
And I'm hoping we can
keep whatever's working
04:00:10.860 --> 04:00:14.493
in place, if that makes sense.
04:00:17.510 --> 04:00:20.040
Okay, thank you, Robert.
04:00:20.040 --> 04:00:22.490
Any other questions or sorry,
04:00:22.490 --> 04:00:25.533
any other closing remarks
from members of the board?
04:00:29.210 --> 04:00:30.810
Pat, was your hand up?
04:00:30.810 --> 04:00:32.550
Yes, it was.
04:00:32.550 --> 04:00:36.860
So I would like to thank
you Benito for your leadership
04:00:36.860 --> 04:00:41.474
as our chair, this past year
is really been important,
04:00:41.474 --> 04:00:44.770
working remotely, not
for every single meeting,
04:00:44.770 --> 04:00:46.590
every single subcommittee meeting,
04:00:46.590 --> 04:00:49.260
and then the other meetings
that we have together working
04:00:49.260 --> 04:00:53.773
to put together our
recommendations to the Commission.
04:00:53.773 --> 04:00:57.700
I mean, you have really
been a great leader
04:00:57.700 --> 04:01:00.360
and once appreciate
working, not only with you,
04:01:00.360 --> 04:01:03.267
but the entire team here is so amazing.
04:01:03.267 --> 04:01:04.990
They give a bit of time.
04:01:04.990 --> 04:01:06.910
They give up their selves to make sure
04:01:06.910 --> 04:01:11.910
that we are able to provide
the advisory capacity
04:01:12.170 --> 04:01:16.180
and support to the low-income community
04:01:16.180 --> 04:01:17.880
as our role should be.
04:01:17.880 --> 04:01:20.100
So thank you again for your leadership
04:01:20.100 --> 04:01:24.150
and thank everybody else
for our collaboration's together.
04:01:24.150 --> 04:01:25.293
They have been great.
04:01:26.360 --> 04:01:29.163
And I vote for December.
04:01:30.300 --> 04:01:32.600
I vote for December for
the in-person meeting.
04:01:35.170 --> 04:01:36.003
Fair enough.
04:01:36.990 --> 04:01:41.170
I think that's pretty open
ended and I'm happy
04:01:41.170 --> 04:01:43.670
with what the consensus
is so long as it happens,
04:01:43.670 --> 04:01:46.310
hopefully sometime this year.
04:01:46.310 --> 04:01:48.743
Well, if you do it in December
04:01:48.743 --> 04:01:51.210
and if you do it in San Diego,
04:01:51.210 --> 04:01:55.940
I'll commit to the
level of, shall we say,
04:01:55.940 --> 04:01:59.610
embellishment that we
had with (speaks Spanish),
04:01:59.610 --> 04:02:03.570
with (speaks Spanish), the
Folklorico, with the dancers,
04:02:04.760 --> 04:02:05.740
and all of the rest of it.
04:02:05.740 --> 04:02:07.807
I can make that happen.
04:02:07.807 --> 04:02:10.194
Well, we might hold you
to that, Robert, we'll see.
04:02:10.194 --> 04:02:12.023
Well, hold me
to it, hold me to it.
04:02:13.581 --> 04:02:16.263
There's people that I work
with, that'll be happy to do it.
04:02:17.690 --> 04:02:18.833
I'll get the gate.
04:02:20.010 --> 04:02:23.620
That sounds like a
very good way to come
04:02:23.620 --> 04:02:25.710
back together after two years apart.
04:02:25.710 --> 04:02:27.323
So that sounds like fun.
04:02:28.370 --> 04:02:30.390
Well, happy to give
everybody forty-five minutes
04:02:30.390 --> 04:02:31.890
back on their calendar.
04:02:31.890 --> 04:02:33.730
So have a great afternoon,
04:02:33.730 --> 04:02:35.650
have a great first start of your summer.
04:02:35.650 --> 04:02:37.000
We'll talk to everybody soon.
04:02:37.000 --> 04:02:38.341
Have a good one.
04:02:38.341 --> 04:02:39.341
Bye.
Bye.