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Members are
gonna come together.
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Okay. We thank everyone
for being here today,
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to our Friday, June 25th, 2021 meeting
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of the Texas State Board of Education.
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We will be starting on our committee
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of the Full Board meeting.
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We had two items that we did
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not complete on Wednesday,
so we're gonna go back.
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And we are convening as the
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committee of the Full Board.
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We will take up items three and four,
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that we did not get to
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from our agenda on Wednesday.
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After that, we will close the meeting
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of the committee of the Full Board
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and reconvene the meeting of
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the Texas State Board of Education,
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to take up our normal Friday agenda.
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Any questions on that?
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Okay. We will move to item
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number three from our Wednesday agenda,
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which is legislative update,
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and I'm gonna call on Hunter Thompson.
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Members. It's on page
I-38 of your board agenda.
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Thank you Charles and
members, I'm here to present
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your legislative update for
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the 87th Legislative Session overview.
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So I believe you each have
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a packet in front of you.
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Those are the same slides that
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will be covered in this
presentation as well.
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So just reminder, the
legislative cycle is a
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two-year cycle, and we are currently
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in about halfway through the odd year.
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So we're just through session
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and now we're working on
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agency implementation of bills,
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the reports, those things.
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And so I will be covering some
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of those bills with you here today.
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Next slide. So it is complete.
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TEA program staff is currently still
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working through some of
the last minute changes,
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some of the conference
committee reports,
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and some of those other items.
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If you have detailed questions
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on any of the bills, please
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feel free to contact me or my office,
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and we'll be glad to get back
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to you with any questions or
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any answers we have for your questions.
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So how many bills were there?
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There were 947 Public
Education bills passed,
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or at least filed, during
this legislative session.
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That is a considerable
decrease from last session.
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271 were heard in the house
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Public Education Committee,
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and 139 in the Senate Ed Committee.
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Of those 947 bills that were filed,
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only 124 passed both chambers.
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So you had many legislative priorities.
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The SBOE did and not a lot
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of action was taken
on a majority of those.
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So I'll cover those
kind of briefly here.
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Next slide please.
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So for assessment
and A-F accountability,
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no legislative action was taken
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on the SBOE priority.
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For charters, no legislative action
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was taken for your priorities.
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Next slide.
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For counselors and
mental health services,
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there was a priority
to increase funding.
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No legislative action was taken to
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increase funding for
that particular priority.
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However, S.B. 179 did require the
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counselors spend at least 80% of
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their time on counseling duties.
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So that is positive towards
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that particular priority.
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On education, vendor contracts
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and safe and healthy schools,
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no legislative action was
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taken on those priorities.
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Next slide, please,
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For technology and
instructional materials,
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there was a lot of action taken
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regarding technology
and instructional materials,
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but not a lot of action taken
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on your particular priorities.
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Next slide, please.
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There are a few miscellaneous
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priorities that the State
Board of Education
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had for the 87th Legislative Session.
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There were two where
there was some action taken.
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Number one for mathematics
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and literacy achievement academies.
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Those were fully
funded by the legislature
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and also for TEA's Exceptional Item.
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Many of those components
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for the Exceptional Item were
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actually funded through other means,
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but not specifically stated as an
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Exceptional Item or Rider for TEA.
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Next slide please.
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And that's the Exceptional Item.
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Next slide.
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So key bills of the 87 session.
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There were many key bills.
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I believe the Commissioner went
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through some of them
for you earlier in the week,
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and I'm just gonna be covering
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them quickly here with
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just some of the major highlights.
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So Senate Bill 1, that
is the State budget bill.
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Public Education funding was
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increased to about 2 billion or 4.5%
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in general revenue.
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It does fully fund the State's
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commitment to Public Education and
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all the changes made by House Bill 3.
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That was a big discussion item
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prior to session, and the legislature
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did fully fund House Bill 3.
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There were no major funding reductions
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beyond the 5% funding reductions
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in the LAR for TEA, and
no major Rider changes.
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There were a few additional Riders,
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but no major Rider changes either.
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There were increase in funding
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through pre-K through 12,
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and of course some COVID-19
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interventions and assistance
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brought out through 1525.
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So Senate Bill 1232,
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Permanent School Fund Corporation bill.
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This is a bill that
received some attention.
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And of course, a lot of attention
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from folks in this room.
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It was a creation of
the PSF Corporation.
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So it allows the State Board to create
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the Texas Permanent
School Fund Corporation,
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which would merge the
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SBOE and School Land Board portions
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of the PSF into a standalone entity.
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The bill was brought about in order
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to create greater
returns in distributions.
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This will bring the management
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of the PSF under one roof,
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which would allow for better
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coordination of investments,
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The transfer of staff and duties.
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This won't begin no
sooner than January of 2023,
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but all PSF staff and investments
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that are currently part of TEA,
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would transfer to the corporation.
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Required implementation report
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by September 1st of 2021.
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So TEA has to do a report
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on our implementation plan.
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If there's any questions
on this particular bill,
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we'll be glad to answer those as well.
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On House Bill 1525, I
believe the Commissioner
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covered this in his earlier comments,
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but just to give you
some of the highlights.
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Extends our reading academy
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deadline by one year to 2022/2023,
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it does restore the Gifted
and Talented Allotment.
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There was a lot of conversations
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through this board and
through other committees on
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the Gifted and Talented.
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Updates to CTE funding weights,
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updates to Fast Growth Allotment,
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updates Comp Ed funding,
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especially dealing with those students,
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experiencing homelessness,
CCMR bonus expanded to
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include students receiving
an associate's degree.
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That was just an omission by HB 3.
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And so they wanted to make
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sure they added that back in.
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Increased technology,
purchase reimbursements
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and provides new funding
for COVID-19 support.
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This is where a lot of the federal funds
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and the COVID support
funding is outlined.
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It's in House Bill 1525.
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So you have P-TECH,
learning acceleration support,
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tutoring and
reimbursements for districts
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that are otherwise not
receiving a lot of federal funds.
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So also some winter storm
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reimbursements in there as well.
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Senate Bill 1365 is the accountability
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and interventions bill.
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This formalizes interventions for
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de-rated campuses,
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and improves procedural clarity with
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special investigations in
the school systems as well.
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House Bill 4545, accelerate instruction.
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This is also another one that
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I believe the Commissioner spent
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some considerable
time speaking on earlier.
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This eliminates grade retention
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requirements and
grades 3 through 8,
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and retesting in grades 5 and 8.
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Also schools are required to
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provide accelerated instruction
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to struggling students.
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And then on House Bill 3261,
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that is online assessments.
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If you remember from last session,
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House Bill 3906, asked
the Texas Education Agency
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to come up with a plan,
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and start moving towards
online assessments.
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However, that plan had to be codified
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through the legislature and the
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87th Legislative Session before
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we could move forward,
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and House Bill 3261
is the bill that does that.
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So it changes statute to
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confirm that the State will be
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doing online assessments by 2022/2023.
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It also broadens the eligibility for the
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Technology and Instructional
Materials Allotment,
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and now allows uses for services,
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equipment, and technology infrastructure
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needed to ensure internet
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connectivity and adequate bandwidth.
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And for training personnel.
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So those are new uses for the
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Technology and Instructional
Materials Allotment.
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So there are several bills that
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pertained to the State
Board of Education,
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as far as actions that you will
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be needing to take with regard to
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TEKSs and other matters.
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So I'll be going over those
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pretty quickly as well.
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On House Bill 690 school safety
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training for school boards,
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school board trustees are
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required to take training,
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on school safety and
the SBOE in coordination
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with the Texas School Safety Center
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wants to develop that training
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House Bill 2681, the elective
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courses for study of the Bible.
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This expands some of
the current law to grade 6.
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It was previously only
grades 9 and above,
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and now it's 6 and above.
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The teacher must also hold a
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certificate in Language Arts,
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social studies or history,
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and the legislation must
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be implemented only if the
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legislature appropriates funding.
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So there's a couple of bills
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that have this amendment or
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this language in there.
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And we'll be working with
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you guys to figure out what bills
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need to be implemented due
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to that particular amendment.
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And this of course applies with
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the 2021/2022 school year.
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Next slide.
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House Bill 3261. Online assessments.
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So this is what pertains to 3261
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with regard to the State
Board of Education.
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So star assessments must
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be administered electronically.
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TEA is permitted to establish
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a grant program to begin to
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support those school districts
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as they implement online assessments
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and there's waiver
authority for assessment on
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the first day of the week.
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If you recall, previously,
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Mondays are the first day
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of the week were prohibited from
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having a state assessment.
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That has now been allowed as a
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waiver authority for the Commissioner
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if a school district has to
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have that first day testing.
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As far as the technology and
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instructional materials is concerned,
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this broadens the eligibility.
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Again, I mentioned
this a little bit earlier.
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So they can now be used
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for service equipment technology
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infrastructure and ensure the
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internet connectivity and adequate
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bandwidth for those school districts.
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The Commissioner of TEA must provide
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an estimate of the cost
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of the technology resources
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and provide that to the
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State Board of Education prior
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to your consideration for your
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Technology and Instructional
Materials Allotment.
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Next slide.
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3979. This was a social studies
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curriculum in public schools.
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This bill received a lot
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of press and a lot of
attention with regard to the
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State Board of
Education's actions needed.
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The SBOE must review and revise
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the TEKS for the social
studies curriculum before
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December 31st of 2022,
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and applies beginning with
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the 2021 and 2022 school year.
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And of course the amended TEKS
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would apply the next year.
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The SBOE must adopt TEKS
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that develop each
student's civic knowledge,
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including statutorily defined
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topics that are in the bill as well.
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And the bill is about
an eight-page bill,
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so there's a lot of requirements
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of what should be included in
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the TEKS that you
guys will be working on.
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Hunter. I'm gonna
interrupt for just a moment.
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When we get to the TEK
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update item, next, Shelly will
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provide some additional information
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related to this and
another social studies.
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Okay. Next slide.
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House Bill 4509 instruction on
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informed American
patriotism and public schools.
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This is effective in June 18th.
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The objectives of public education
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are changed a little bit,
and updated to require
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that educators cultivate in students
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an informed American patriotism,
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and lead students to a close study
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of the founding documents as well.
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On Senate Bill 123.
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This is instruction in positive
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character traits and
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personal skills in public schools.
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There's additional personal skills,
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self-interest skills
and interpersonal skills,
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and responsible decision-making skills
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are added to the
established requirements
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for instruction on
positive character traits.
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And that applies with the
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2020 to 2023 school year.
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On Senate Bill 801 development
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of an agricultural education program
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for public elementary schools,
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TEA is required to do the following,
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and of course, one of them is
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to work with the SBOE,
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but TEA is required to develop
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an agricultural education
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program for elementary school students,
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and to encourage the appreciation,
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and improve students'
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understanding of agriculture.
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Also to coordinate with the
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Texas Department of Agriculture,
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and nonprofit organizations,
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with expertise in
agricultural education,
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to develop this program.
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Also to develop a list of
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agriculture education programs approved
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by the agency and the
State Board of Education,
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that may be used as part of the
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curriculum for this program.
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Next slide.
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Senate Bill 1063.
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Courses in personal financial literacy
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and economics for high school
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students in public schools.
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This comes about every session
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and this bill actually
did pass this session.
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So the one half credit for
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graduation requirement in economics,
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can now also be satisfied
with one half credit
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in personal financial
literacy and economics.
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So the State Board must ensure
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that a personal financial literacy
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and economics course taken,
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to comply with the requirement,
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allocates two thirds
of the instruction time
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to personal financial literacy,
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and one third to economics.
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And this applies beginning with
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the 2022/2023 school year.
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So one other item of note,
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I just wanted to remind this board
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that TEA does have a
legislative briefing book,
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and you can find last session's
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legislative briefing
book on TEA's website,
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at the government relations side.
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And this briefing book basically
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outlines all of the bills,
gives a brief summary,
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and any major deadlines that the
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agency has for the bills.
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And so, if you'll go to the next slide.
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After each legislative session,
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we produce a book that summarize
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every passed legislation.
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So if you're curious
what passed last session,
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and you don't want to read
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the entire 300, some odd page of HB 3,
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you can go to our briefing book
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and read our summary
of what passed in HB 3.
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And of course, in about a month,
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we'll be finished with the
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87th Legislative
Session's briefing book.
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And you can also go in there
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and look at any of the bills
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that passed for the 87th session.
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And with that, that concludes
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my brief summary of
what happened during the
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87th Legislative Session.
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Thank you, Hunter.
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Members, are there any questions?
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Let me ask a couple of things.
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You talked about 3979.
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I know when the Governor signed that,
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he made some specific comments that
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this would likely be brought up
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in the special session.
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So I assume your office
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will be paying close attention to that,
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because that could change what
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we have to do in
relationship to 3979. Correct?
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Correct. So anything
that happens in the
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special session,
obviously just like a regular
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session, changes legislation
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that was passed previously,
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a special session could change
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anything passed previously.
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So I checked this morning
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just to double-check that bill,
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or a correction or fix or
whatever was not on the
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call so far, so I'm unaware if
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that plans to be on the call or not.
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That of course is up
to the Governor's office,
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But he has made mention,
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and it's been in the press,
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so it could be on the call.
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Okay. The other bill that
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I wanna kind of retouch on as Senate
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bill 1232, the Permanent School Fund.
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We had a conversation a little bit
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about that PSF yesterday.
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And a comment was made.
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This is probably the most important
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bill that no one's heard about.
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I think this is truly monumental
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about what it's doing with the PSF.
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I know as with everything,
it's pretty complex.
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So Mr. Maynard, did you have
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any additional comments you wanna
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make about S.B. 1232?
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Yeah, sure.
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I think that when you
kind of hear that is that
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some members will kind
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of recall a little bit and feel like
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maybe that something
has been taken from us.
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And that's really not the case.
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So the 1232 is essentially it creates
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a delegation to a corporation.
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But what it really does is that
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it reunites the fund.
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And one of the things that happened
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in the early 2000's of course,
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is the legislature authorized
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the school and board to retain
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earnings and created an
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investment portfolio of its own.
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Well it was limited to real assets.
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What that did is that created
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an unintended consequence.
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And I know that that's shocking
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that anything that the legislature does,
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creates unintended consequences,
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but without getting into the minutia,
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it created a $4 billion pool of
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essentially uninvested cash
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that was dragging the overall
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returns in the growth of the fund.
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1232 puts the investment Corpus
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all back together under a corporation,
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with a nine-member board,
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and five of those nine members
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are members of this body.
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And so the State Board of Education
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has a majority vote on
the nine-member board.
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The other four members of that board
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are the land Commissioner,
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an appointee of the land Commissioner,
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and two appointees of the Governor.
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But the other thing too,
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that I think is important to note,
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is that this bill also,
there's always been a little
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bit of a discussion, a
little bit of what we call
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the governance flaw
And the governance flaw is
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that the State Board of Education is
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constitutionally mandated to
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manage the Permanent School Fund,
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But the staff of the
Permanent School Fund
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don't actually work for the board.
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They work for the Commissioner.
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And there's always been
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a little bit of a rub
in there about that.
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A lot of the language of 1232
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was actually language that we
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drafted back in 2013.
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And when this started happening,
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we actually pulled
that language back up.
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And so a lot of 1232 was language
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that we actually crafted back in 2013.
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So people say, "Well,
is it like UTIMCO?"
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Well sort of. But when UTIMCO
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was created, the staff
00:17:48.630 --> 00:17:50.090
one day working for the State,
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the next day they weren't
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working for the State.
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That's not what we've done here.
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This is a little bit more like
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the Treasury Trust Corporation,
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which is sort of a
governmental corporation 2.0.
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And so the good news for the staff
00:18:04.060 --> 00:18:06.470
is that their status as State
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employees does not change.
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And so it is UTIMCO
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like it's a corporation managing
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educational funds,
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but just in terms of its structure,
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it's more like the
Treasury Trust Corporation.
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The third thing I think
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is really important to notice
00:18:23.106 --> 00:18:27.243
is that the staff of the fund
00:18:28.739 --> 00:18:35.230
has to work under TEA
procurement regulations.
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There's no other fund in town
00:18:36.851 --> 00:18:37.684
that it has to work in under
00:18:37.684 --> 00:18:40.300
State procurement regulations.
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And frankly those are regulations,
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really not appropriate for
managing a major fund.
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And so what this is gonna do is
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that it's gonna make their procurement
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procedures a lot more like UTIMCO,
00:18:51.717 --> 00:18:53.980
are a lot more like ERS or TRS,
00:18:53.980 --> 00:18:56.340
or like all the other funds in town.
00:18:56.340 --> 00:18:58.180
So the staff is excited.
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They are excited.
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So what it's gonna do is it's gonna
00:19:01.427 --> 00:19:04.893
actually not only reunite the firm,
00:19:04.893 --> 00:19:08.380
it's also going unite the staffs.
00:19:08.380 --> 00:19:10.400
So there's actually an investment staff
00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:12.847
over at the General Land Office,
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that's gonna come under that umbrella,
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under the corporation.
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It is gonna kind of create a few
00:19:18.620 --> 00:19:21.210
challenges that are
unresolved at this time,
00:19:21.210 --> 00:19:24.390
because the plan was to put the
00:19:24.390 --> 00:19:26.400
PSF in the new building,
00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:27.300
but I think that they planned
00:19:27.300 --> 00:19:31.361
for about a staff of
85, but in the long run,
00:19:31.361 --> 00:19:32.730
it's gonna be a staff of about 130.
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And so we're not sure
what that's gonna look like.
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But that's the Reader's Digest version.
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Anyone have any questions about that.
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Cortez.
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So under this new structure,
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I know this is a conversation
00:19:49.100 --> 00:19:51.730
we've had since I came on,
00:19:51.730 --> 00:19:53.360
is the fear that the legislature
00:19:53.360 --> 00:19:57.740
wants to take this fund
and control it themselves.
00:19:57.740 --> 00:19:59.200
We've had this conversation
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I think every year,
00:20:01.720 --> 00:20:04.218
since we've served together, at least.
00:20:04.218 --> 00:20:07.410
This corporation wants to stop the
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legislature in the next session to say,
00:20:10.421 --> 00:20:11.810
"Well, maybe it shouldn't
be under the SBOE.
00:20:11.810 --> 00:20:14.648
Maybe we should control
it at the Governor's office.
00:20:14.648 --> 00:20:16.017
Or the Lieutenant Governor's office."
00:20:17.493 --> 00:20:18.680
Well, the
legislature has always
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had the authority to do that.
00:20:21.190 --> 00:20:22.850
It's easy now under
cooperate structures.
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I guess what I'm saying.
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Well, but understand
too, is that remember that
00:20:26.360 --> 00:20:28.503
we still have article
seven of the constitution.
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And so this represents
a delegation of the
00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:35.300
State Board of Education's authority
00:20:35.300 --> 00:20:36.950
that under the constitution,
00:20:36.950 --> 00:20:38.310
and that's why we have a
00:20:38.310 --> 00:20:40.060
majority vote on the board.
00:20:40.060 --> 00:20:42.770
And so understand that to completely
00:20:42.770 --> 00:20:45.030
remove it from State Board of Education
00:20:45.030 --> 00:20:47.466
would require a
constitutional amendment.
00:20:47.466 --> 00:20:49.218
And so the legislature couldn't
00:20:49.218 --> 00:20:50.754
just do it unilaterally.
00:20:50.754 --> 00:20:51.587
But, and I guess I'm
00:20:51.587 --> 00:20:53.280
just playing devil's advocate.
00:20:53.280 --> 00:20:54.439
Really?
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So, could they?
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I mean I suppose that they could.
00:20:59.850 --> 00:21:01.640
But that just crossing out a scenario.
00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:05.897
Like when we deal with ESPEC issues,
00:21:07.340 --> 00:21:08.990
it's an entirely different structure.
00:21:08.990 --> 00:21:10.313
It's an appointed body.
00:21:11.231 --> 00:21:12.064
Yep.
00:21:12.064 --> 00:21:12.943
But that stuff doesn't
make it through,
00:21:13.915 --> 00:21:16.098
unless this body upholds it.
00:21:16.098 --> 00:21:16.931
True.
00:21:16.931 --> 00:21:19.840
I assume that something
similar can be done to
00:21:19.840 --> 00:21:21.620
comply with that
concern you just raised it.
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Yeah.
00:21:22.934 --> 00:21:25.423
So that's actually a
really good question.
00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:28.761
I think you should
know that first of all,
00:21:28.761 --> 00:21:31.853
this board has to decide
to form the corporation.
00:21:33.090 --> 00:21:35.860
That authority rests with this board.
00:21:35.860 --> 00:21:37.140
Secondly is that then there
00:21:37.140 --> 00:21:39.760
has to be articles of incorporation.
00:21:39.760 --> 00:21:42.810
And again, that comes from here.
00:21:42.810 --> 00:21:47.240
Thirdly, once the corporation is formed,
00:21:47.240 --> 00:21:50.543
the corporation board
has to create bylaws.
00:21:52.922 --> 00:21:57.080
The governing documents
for that corporation.
00:21:57.080 --> 00:21:58.610
Those have to come back to this board.
00:21:58.610 --> 00:22:00.850
They have to be approved
by this board as well.
00:22:00.850 --> 00:22:04.960
And so that State Board of Education
00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:07.136
is still in the driver's seat.
00:22:07.136 --> 00:22:10.803
Also, this board will
still do its distribution.
00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:16.470
Now, a lot of times is that the water
00:22:16.470 --> 00:22:17.420
gets really muddy here.
00:22:17.420 --> 00:22:19.229
Because remember that there's
00:22:19.229 --> 00:22:21.370
actually two different distributions.
00:22:21.370 --> 00:22:23.270
There's our distribution,
00:22:23.270 --> 00:22:25.030
and then there's the distribution
00:22:25.030 --> 00:22:27.690
under 5G of the constitution.
00:22:27.690 --> 00:22:29.140
And where that came from is
00:22:29.140 --> 00:22:31.343
that back about, I think
it's like, I don't know.
00:22:31.343 --> 00:22:32.830
Hunter, is it like 2011?
00:22:32.830 --> 00:22:34.870
I think the legislature
decided they weren't
00:22:34.870 --> 00:22:36.520
getting money fast enough.
00:22:36.520 --> 00:22:39.230
And they created a mechanism for the
00:22:39.230 --> 00:22:40.260
School Land Board to
00:22:40.260 --> 00:22:42.153
contribute directly to the ASF.
00:22:43.860 --> 00:22:46.200
And to get more money faster.
00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:47.610
I guess, is what they're trying to do.
00:22:47.610 --> 00:22:49.800
So that was a way that they bypass this.
00:22:49.800 --> 00:22:51.630
Well, the corporation,
00:22:51.630 --> 00:22:53.690
that 5G distribution will still be
00:22:53.690 --> 00:22:54.783
in that corporation.
00:22:57.000 --> 00:22:58.690
And I think it it'll just remain in
00:22:58.690 --> 00:22:59.563
that corporation.
00:23:01.006 --> 00:23:05.123
But our distribution
will remain the same.
00:23:06.030 --> 00:23:07.170
Now, the other thing too is
00:23:07.170 --> 00:23:10.920
that the revenues from
the General Land Office
00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:14.694
will come into the fund
back to the corporation.
00:23:14.694 --> 00:23:19.694
I think we thought that probably
00:23:20.650 --> 00:23:24.630
the legislation gave
the General Land Office
00:23:24.630 --> 00:23:26.200
a little too much latitude in terms
00:23:26.200 --> 00:23:27.990
of how that happens.
00:23:27.990 --> 00:23:30.360
But that sometimes legislating
00:23:30.360 --> 00:23:32.233
is sometimes the art of the possible.
00:23:33.470 --> 00:23:36.744
Sometimes you have
what you would like to do,
00:23:36.744 --> 00:23:38.118
but then you have to realize
00:23:38.118 --> 00:23:39.613
what is politically possible.
00:23:39.613 --> 00:23:41.110
And so, we had to sort of just
00:23:41.110 --> 00:23:43.140
concede a little bit of that.
00:23:43.140 --> 00:23:45.490
Okay. Well, I guess
I would just ask,
00:23:45.490 --> 00:23:50.438
and you guys have
done a great job on PSF.
00:23:50.438 --> 00:23:51.560
There's no question.
00:23:51.560 --> 00:23:54.300
But as we're sitting down figuring out
00:23:54.300 --> 00:23:58.800
what our processes
are, I think we need to
00:23:58.800 --> 00:24:01.010
I guess approach this from the
00:24:01.010 --> 00:24:03.530
lens that at some point in the future,
00:24:03.530 --> 00:24:06.120
what we do here is in an effort for them
00:24:06.120 --> 00:24:09.210
to take this from this body.
00:24:09.210 --> 00:24:10.941
And I think every one of us in here
00:24:10.941 --> 00:24:15.941
want to maintain that
intergenerational equity.
00:24:16.090 --> 00:24:18.430
To make sure that this fund is there,
00:24:18.430 --> 00:24:19.870
for not just my grandkids,
00:24:19.870 --> 00:24:22.330
but my great grandkids and their kids.
00:24:22.330 --> 00:24:24.460
And if we let that pink building
00:24:24.460 --> 00:24:26.360
take control over this fund at
00:24:26.360 --> 00:24:29.540
any point in the near future,
00:24:29.540 --> 00:24:31.050
because we did something wrong
00:24:31.050 --> 00:24:34.160
in developing these
articles of incorporation,
00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:35.390
then that's on us.
00:24:35.390 --> 00:24:37.225
So I would just ask us all to be real
00:24:37.225 --> 00:24:39.340
cautious of how we approach this,
00:24:39.340 --> 00:24:44.970
because they're already
taking money from TIMA.
00:24:44.970 --> 00:24:46.560
T. I. M. A now.
00:24:46.560 --> 00:24:49.158
And so, where else are they gonna
00:24:49.158 --> 00:24:50.310
look to slice this pie up?
00:24:50.310 --> 00:24:54.280
And so, if you all think
this is a good idea,
00:24:54.280 --> 00:24:55.861
then we'll figure it out
00:24:55.861 --> 00:24:57.835
the best way to get through it,
00:24:57.835 --> 00:24:59.353
but just with our eyes wide open.
00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:02.120
Yeah. Without a doubt.
00:25:02.120 --> 00:25:03.390
And I understand it.
00:25:03.390 --> 00:25:06.860
And I tell people pretty frequently,
00:25:06.860 --> 00:25:09.180
that every State in the United States
00:25:09.180 --> 00:25:12.230
at one time, had a School LAND Trust.
00:25:12.230 --> 00:25:13.890
And I think there's
only 23 of them left.
00:25:13.890 --> 00:25:16.750
And the lesson in that
is you never put the
00:25:16.750 --> 00:25:17.810
School LAND Trust in the
00:25:17.810 --> 00:25:19.160
hands of the appropriators.
00:25:20.070 --> 00:25:21.970
Because if you do, you won't have one.
00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:25.870
Yep. Mr. Cortez,
I think your points
00:25:25.870 --> 00:25:27.442
are very well taken,
00:25:27.442 --> 00:25:28.900
and are really a 100% aligned with
00:25:28.900 --> 00:25:30.680
how we approach that process.
00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:32.160
There was a bill in the previous
00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:34.220
legislative session that would have
00:25:34.220 --> 00:25:35.750
taken the Permanent School Fund
00:25:35.750 --> 00:25:37.440
and turned it over to a board that
00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:38.930
was a nonmember board,
00:25:38.930 --> 00:25:40.940
that was all appointed by the Governor.
00:25:40.940 --> 00:25:43.140
What that particular bill required is
00:25:43.140 --> 00:25:46.300
also an SJR, Senate Joint Resolution
00:25:46.300 --> 00:25:48.230
which would have begun the process
00:25:48.230 --> 00:25:50.520
of a constitutional
amendment, which he said.
00:25:50.520 --> 00:25:51.450
That's what we were very,
00:25:51.450 --> 00:25:53.460
very particular is* Senate Bill 1232
00:25:53.460 --> 00:25:56.500
was going through did
not have a Joint Resolution.
00:25:56.500 --> 00:25:58.380
In other words, a way to
00:25:58.380 --> 00:26:00.060
call for a constitutional amendment.
00:26:00.060 --> 00:26:02.240
So once that got past that point
00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:03.410
where that was not part of that bill,
00:26:03.410 --> 00:26:06.140
there is no way, there was no avenue
00:26:06.140 --> 00:26:07.860
for this to become something that could
00:26:07.860 --> 00:26:09.560
be taken away from
us in the constitution.
00:26:09.560 --> 00:26:11.190
So that point was* very well.
00:26:11.190 --> 00:26:12.720
And yeah, you're right.
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:14.095
In the future anything is possible.
00:26:14.095 --> 00:26:16.175
But I think to your point,
00:26:16.175 --> 00:26:17.980
we were very careful to make sure
00:26:17.980 --> 00:26:20.290
that this doesn't take us
00:26:20.290 --> 00:26:21.940
to a step that's much easier.
00:26:21.940 --> 00:26:24.360
I think even after this is all done,
00:26:24.360 --> 00:26:26.700
we're at the same place and protecting
00:26:26.700 --> 00:26:28.430
our constitutional duty of the
00:26:28.430 --> 00:26:30.702
Permanent School Fund that we would
00:26:30.702 --> 00:26:33.993
have been before this, if
nothing ever happened.
00:26:33.993 --> 00:26:37.428
Follow up. As
you were speaking,
00:26:37.428 --> 00:26:41.322
it reminded me of something,
member Maynard said
00:26:41.322 --> 00:26:42.446
If this board chooses to.
00:26:42.446 --> 00:26:44.964
So if we choose not
to, will it stay the same?
00:26:44.964 --> 00:26:49.033
Or are we required?
00:26:51.870 --> 00:26:53.500
Well, this board has to.
00:26:53.500 --> 00:26:57.820
The legal question I suppose,
00:26:57.820 --> 00:26:59.990
is that, what if the board does nothing?
00:26:59.990 --> 00:27:01.960
Well, I think if the board does nothing,
00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:03.580
the next time the
legislature comes to town,
00:27:03.580 --> 00:27:04.980
they are gonna do something.
00:27:05.916 --> 00:27:08.690
And we're probably not
gonna like what they do.
00:27:08.690 --> 00:27:13.214
So, Von*, if we did nothing,
00:27:13.214 --> 00:27:17.537
and again, I'm just wanting to know.
00:27:17.537 --> 00:27:20.169
In the event of the worst-case scenario,
00:27:20.169 --> 00:27:22.576
we know how our
friends across the street,
00:27:22.576 --> 00:27:28.570
they've been jonesing,
I guess, if you would,
00:27:28.570 --> 00:27:30.491
for this money for a long time.
00:27:30.491 --> 00:27:32.810
And if this is one step closer for
00:27:32.810 --> 00:27:36.610
them to take this pot of cash,
00:27:36.610 --> 00:27:37.730
that we don't want them to have,
00:27:37.730 --> 00:27:41.000
we want to protect it for
generations of children.
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:42.793
What happens if we took no action?
00:27:43.660 --> 00:27:45.650
Well, I think under the bill,
00:27:45.650 --> 00:27:48.290
at least from an initial reading,
00:27:48.290 --> 00:27:52.030
it is permissive on the
State Board of Education
00:27:52.030 --> 00:27:53.460
to make this delegation.
00:27:53.460 --> 00:27:55.680
And under the bill what it requires
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:57.300
is for you to first establish these
00:27:57.300 --> 00:27:59.270
articles of incorporation which
00:27:59.270 --> 00:28:05.920
would tell the new
corporation, how it would act.
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:10.060
Now you would have
some authority in there,
00:28:10.060 --> 00:28:11.530
but I would also remind you,
00:28:11.530 --> 00:28:14.500
at least from my
initial reading of 1232,
00:28:14.500 --> 00:28:16.730
that once articles of
incorporation are up,
00:28:16.730 --> 00:28:20.050
that corporation can
modify that in some ways.
00:28:20.050 --> 00:28:21.750
But these are things that we
00:28:21.750 --> 00:28:23.490
will explore in a lot more depth
00:28:23.490 --> 00:28:25.812
I think over the next year.
00:28:25.812 --> 00:28:30.812
I don't believe the bill has anything
00:28:30.840 --> 00:28:33.810
in that says what happens if
00:28:33.810 --> 00:28:36.850
you don't take that action.
00:28:36.850 --> 00:28:39.940
So presumably the
status quo would remain,
00:28:39.940 --> 00:28:43.298
except as a few members have mentioned
00:28:43.298 --> 00:28:47.110
if this was an expectation
of the legislature,
00:28:47.110 --> 00:28:49.403
that expectation may
become a requirement.
00:28:50.530 --> 00:28:52.870
So, just to follow up
on what you just said,
00:28:52.870 --> 00:28:54.670
if I understood correctly.
00:28:54.670 --> 00:28:58.270
This body sets up the
articles of incorporation,
00:28:58.270 --> 00:29:00.343
puts that body into place.
00:29:01.490 --> 00:29:04.410
If a year down the road,
00:29:04.410 --> 00:29:07.190
that body votes to change the
00:29:07.190 --> 00:29:08.560
articles of incorporation
00:29:08.560 --> 00:29:10.210
and ask the State legislature
00:29:10.210 --> 00:29:13.600
to make it its own agency
00:29:13.600 --> 00:29:15.703
or a separate entity, it could?
00:29:17.580 --> 00:29:19.080
Well, I mean, the corporations.
00:29:19.080 --> 00:29:20.810
To make substantive changes
00:29:20.810 --> 00:29:23.701
that could begin the
process of separation.
00:29:23.701 --> 00:29:25.292
Yeah.
00:29:25.292 --> 00:29:26.318
The corporation itself,
00:29:26.318 --> 00:29:27.976
I don't think can change.
00:29:27.976 --> 00:29:29.090
Like it's structure of nine,
00:29:29.090 --> 00:29:32.030
or that it comes back to the board.
00:29:32.030 --> 00:29:35.327
The legislature as we talked about,
00:29:35.327 --> 00:29:37.850
could move forward a constitutional
00:29:37.850 --> 00:29:39.400
amendment to change it.
00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:43.870
Where is the line
between how much control
00:29:43.870 --> 00:29:46.261
you have to have over the corporation,
00:29:46.261 --> 00:29:50.220
where this is a
legitimate delegation and
00:29:50.220 --> 00:29:52.170
you still maintain your
constitutional authority?
00:29:52.170 --> 00:29:54.158
Where that line is,
00:29:54.158 --> 00:29:57.080
I don't know where that line is.
00:29:57.080 --> 00:30:00.720
I think the legislature felt in 1232
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:02.170
that the structure set up
00:30:02.170 --> 00:30:05.110
where you have a majority of
00:30:05.110 --> 00:30:08.790
that corporation controlled by members
00:30:08.790 --> 00:30:11.350
of this board with input from others,
00:30:11.350 --> 00:30:14.900
that that fell within the constitutional
00:30:14.900 --> 00:30:17.400
parameter of maintaining control
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:18.981
by the State Board.
00:30:18.981 --> 00:30:22.217
So could they ask the
00:30:23.532 --> 00:30:25.190
legislature to change it? Yes.
00:30:25.190 --> 00:30:26.278
How much could they change
00:30:26.278 --> 00:30:27.111
statutorily versus seeking a
00:30:27.111 --> 00:30:28.240
constitutional amendment?
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:29.840
I don't know where that line is.
00:30:29.840 --> 00:30:34.620
If that's something the
board wants to explore,
00:30:34.620 --> 00:30:36.260
that's something we certainly can.
00:30:36.260 --> 00:30:38.030
You probably want someone with a
00:30:38.030 --> 00:30:40.640
little more financial
savvy than me doing that,
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:43.480
but you do have folks on retainer
00:30:43.480 --> 00:30:46.214
right now through your PSF.
00:30:46.214 --> 00:30:51.074
That's fair enough.
And to the question of,
00:30:51.074 --> 00:30:54.032
if we did nothing, what happens?
00:30:54.032 --> 00:30:56.440
Yeah. So if you did nothing,
00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:58.010
then the status quo remains.
00:30:58.010 --> 00:30:59.390
I think there are a few other changes
00:30:59.390 --> 00:31:01.200
there like they've broadened
00:31:02.668 --> 00:31:06.320
your investment policies here.
00:31:06.320 --> 00:31:08.903
As I look in 43.003.
00:31:10.550 --> 00:31:15.020
But as I said, under the legislation
00:31:15.020 --> 00:31:16.836
as I read it, there's not a mechanism
00:31:16.836 --> 00:31:21.113
that says what happens
if you don't pursue.
00:31:24.088 --> 00:31:27.403
Mike Meyer, Deputy
Commissioner of Finance.
00:31:28.296 --> 00:31:30.298
So the bill is kind of
divided into two articles.
00:31:30.298 --> 00:31:32.028
The first one describes your ability to
00:31:32.028 --> 00:31:33.370
delegate the authority
of the corporation,
00:31:33.370 --> 00:31:35.020
and the composition of the board,
00:31:36.158 --> 00:31:37.402
and what the corporation
would look like.
00:31:37.402 --> 00:31:38.870
And then the second
article describes kind
00:31:38.870 --> 00:31:40.310
of operations and management,
00:31:40.310 --> 00:31:42.913
transition of assets,
transition of FTEs.
00:31:44.446 --> 00:31:45.656
That sort of information.
00:31:45.656 --> 00:31:46.520
And then at the tail end of the bill,
00:31:46.520 --> 00:31:47.800
it says that article,
the second article,
00:31:47.800 --> 00:31:49.794
takes no effect if you don't
00:31:49.794 --> 00:31:51.591
delegate to a corporate or create the
00:31:51.591 --> 00:31:54.170
corporation by December of 2022.
00:31:54.170 --> 00:31:56.930
So that first part of the
bill would still be effective,
00:31:56.930 --> 00:31:59.150
describing your ability
to delegate authority,
00:31:59.150 --> 00:32:02.160
but all of that's sort
of transfer provisions
00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:03.310
would not be effective.
00:32:05.280 --> 00:32:07.980
Mr. Cortez, as you
probably will know,
00:32:07.980 --> 00:32:09.890
the State Board of Education and
00:32:09.890 --> 00:32:12.450
PSF also has our own Fudiciary Council,
00:32:12.450 --> 00:32:13.580
Chuck Campbell*.
00:32:13.580 --> 00:32:15.810
And he is actually employed by
00:32:15.810 --> 00:32:16.930
the State Board of Education.
00:32:16.930 --> 00:32:19.320
I've actually got him on the zoom call.
00:32:19.320 --> 00:32:20.570
Chuck* are you available?
00:32:23.529 --> 00:32:24.611
I am. Yes.
00:32:24.611 --> 00:32:25.450
Okay. Is there anything that
00:32:26.713 --> 00:32:27.838
you would like to add to the
00:32:27.838 --> 00:32:29.013
questions that Mr. Cortez brought up.
00:32:30.250 --> 00:32:32.410
Actually* would
be the status quo.
00:32:32.410 --> 00:32:33.952
And the transfer provisions would
00:32:33.952 --> 00:32:38.952
not just come into effect that second*.
00:32:40.025 --> 00:32:41.122
Yeah. And the only reason
00:32:41.122 --> 00:32:46.122
I ask Mr. Chair, these questions
00:32:46.337 --> 00:32:51.337
is because at the end
of the day unfortunately,
00:32:52.801 --> 00:32:55.280
sometimes I think a lot of what happens
00:32:55.280 --> 00:32:57.571
in this board doesn't come down to...
00:32:57.571 --> 00:33:00.200
it comes down to people in
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:03.150
higher offices that have the thumb
00:33:03.150 --> 00:33:05.410
on their scale and
can easily pick up the
00:33:05.410 --> 00:33:08.000
phone and call members of this body.
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:10.615
And if the Governor has
got two appointments,
00:33:10.615 --> 00:33:12.210
and there's five of
us in the Land Board.
00:33:12.210 --> 00:33:13.770
Governor's Office can very quickly call
00:33:13.770 --> 00:33:14.953
anybody that they want.
00:33:16.253 --> 00:33:17.086
And they're gonna drum up
00:33:17.086 --> 00:33:18.550
whatever votes that they need to.
00:33:18.550 --> 00:33:21.370
We've seen that over
and over in this body.
00:33:21.370 --> 00:33:22.850
And that's my fear.
00:33:22.850 --> 00:33:26.560
At least right now
you've got a body of 15,
00:33:26.560 --> 00:33:29.750
who while we may
disagree on some things,
00:33:29.750 --> 00:33:32.760
agree that this fund is the treasure
00:33:32.760 --> 00:33:37.100
and needs to be protected
for generations to come.
00:33:37.100 --> 00:33:39.610
And so, I'm a little concerned about
00:33:39.610 --> 00:33:41.280
this piece of legislation.
00:33:41.280 --> 00:33:46.210
And so, I don't know
where are we go next,
00:33:46.210 --> 00:33:47.840
but I am concerned.
00:33:47.840 --> 00:33:48.682
I appreciate that.
00:33:48.682 --> 00:33:51.916
These are very well...
Go ahead Mr. Campbell.
00:33:51.916 --> 00:33:54.558
Did you have something?
00:33:54.558 --> 00:33:57.163
I would like to
follow up on what
00:33:57.163 --> 00:33:59.870
SBOE has to approve any changes
00:33:59.870 --> 00:34:04.640
to the articles of corporation.
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:06.691
And it same with the bylaws.
00:34:06.691 --> 00:34:11.691
Any changes to the bylaws that
00:34:14.721 --> 00:34:15.842
the corporation established,
00:34:15.842 --> 00:34:20.150
also has to be approved
by the SBOE as well.
00:34:20.150 --> 00:34:21.820
So, there are layer of protections
00:34:21.820 --> 00:34:23.700
in the legislation to ensure
00:34:23.700 --> 00:34:26.080
that the SBOE maintains its
00:34:26.080 --> 00:34:28.715
authority with respect to
00:34:28.715 --> 00:34:30.803
the management of the fund.
00:34:30.803 --> 00:34:32.870
I think another
important point is the
00:34:32.870 --> 00:34:35.290
fact that what Mr. Maynard talked about
00:34:35.290 --> 00:34:36.370
earlier is the distribution.
00:34:36.370 --> 00:34:39.380
So, I think Mr. Cortez
your real main concern,
00:34:39.380 --> 00:34:42.913
is about protecting this
for future generations.
00:34:43.864 --> 00:34:45.640
And what I see happening with this
00:34:45.640 --> 00:34:48.250
new corporation is to really control the
00:34:48.250 --> 00:34:50.690
actually investment decisions.
00:34:50.690 --> 00:34:52.190
So we have the investment decisions,
00:34:52.190 --> 00:34:53.470
which are asset allocation.
00:34:53.470 --> 00:34:54.600
How much are we are gonna
00:34:56.120 --> 00:34:56.953
have in equities and bonds,
00:34:56.953 --> 00:34:58.020
and all those different things,
00:34:58.020 --> 00:34:59.350
and then you have the distribution.
00:34:59.350 --> 00:35:00.660
That distribution part,
00:35:00.660 --> 00:35:02.160
actually, as Tom was saying in
00:35:03.003 --> 00:35:04.474
section 5.8* of the constitution
00:35:04.474 --> 00:35:05.307
stays completely here.
00:35:05.307 --> 00:35:08.340
We do our normal biennial distribution
00:35:08.340 --> 00:35:10.150
prior to legislative session.
00:35:10.150 --> 00:35:11.440
We set our distribution right.
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:13.333
That will stay exactly the same.
00:35:14.520 --> 00:35:17.213
The School Land Board
right now has an extra
00:35:17.213 --> 00:35:19.200
600 million that they
can distribute a year.
00:35:19.200 --> 00:35:21.930
That happened with
proposition 7, 2 sessions ago.
00:35:21.930 --> 00:35:22.940
That will stay actually the same.
00:35:22.940 --> 00:35:25.110
So I think your real main concern,
00:35:25.110 --> 00:35:26.360
about the intergenerational
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:27.510
equity with the distribution
00:35:27.510 --> 00:35:29.700
actually does not change.
00:35:29.700 --> 00:35:32.070
What the new entity
will be doing is really
00:35:32.070 --> 00:35:33.330
working on the actual
00:35:33.330 --> 00:35:35.178
investment to asset allocation,
00:35:35.178 --> 00:35:37.910
all those high-level decisions of
00:35:37.910 --> 00:35:39.890
how we should be investing.
00:35:39.890 --> 00:35:41.763
Chuck*, did I say that correctly also.
00:35:45.630 --> 00:35:46.463
That's right.
00:35:46.463 --> 00:35:49.530
Even though the State Board of Education
00:35:49.530 --> 00:35:51.375
maintains its distribution authority,
00:35:51.375 --> 00:35:52.640
and while the corporation
00:35:52.640 --> 00:35:55.920
does have some distribution authority,
00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:57.620
it's limited under the
constitution under 5G*.
00:35:57.620 --> 00:36:02.240
And so the SPOE will still be
00:36:02.240 --> 00:36:05.513
the primary driver of the distribution.
00:36:05.513 --> 00:36:07.090
And I think that's
an important point,
00:36:07.090 --> 00:36:08.360
Mr. Cortez I think to you.
00:36:08.360 --> 00:36:10.490
'Cause that's where the we protect
00:36:10.490 --> 00:36:11.750
the future of the fund.
00:36:11.750 --> 00:36:12.650
Is to make sure that we
00:36:12.650 --> 00:36:14.960
set an appropriate distribution.
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:17.017
I had a question
from Ms. Perez Diaz*.
00:36:21.150 --> 00:36:22.380
Thank you, Chair.
00:36:22.380 --> 00:36:24.700
Yes. So, my question is specifically
00:36:24.700 --> 00:36:27.640
around HB 3979.
00:36:27.640 --> 00:36:31.250
So, I'll preface this
by saying this bill
00:36:31.250 --> 00:36:33.342
was incredibly abhorring.
00:36:33.342 --> 00:36:35.360
It was shocking that it passed.
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:39.500
And so, I know that if it hasn't
00:36:39.500 --> 00:36:40.463
already been filed,
00:36:41.315 --> 00:36:42.520
there is conversation about litigation.
00:36:42.520 --> 00:36:45.810
And so I'm wondering
if litigation ensues,
00:36:45.810 --> 00:36:47.670
then what does that mean in terms
00:36:47.670 --> 00:36:52.340
of the work that SBOE
has to do regarding HB 3979
00:36:52.340 --> 00:36:56.273
and implementation
of that billing which...?
00:36:58.310 --> 00:37:00.778
Well, I mean, so
first of all, just the filing
00:37:00.778 --> 00:37:04.550
of litigation doesn't
necessarily hamper anything.
00:37:04.550 --> 00:37:08.663
This House Bill 3979 is
the law of the land right now.
00:37:08.663 --> 00:37:13.663
And all agencies are moving forward
00:37:14.560 --> 00:37:16.980
with implementing
the new law of the land.
00:37:16.980 --> 00:37:18.460
And regardless whether there
00:37:18.460 --> 00:37:20.773
are potentials for litigation on it.
00:37:21.630 --> 00:37:23.600
If litigation is filed,
00:37:23.600 --> 00:37:28.420
then we would just have to wait to
00:37:28.420 --> 00:37:30.610
determine whether or not there is an
00:37:30.610 --> 00:37:32.323
injunction that is created.
00:37:32.323 --> 00:37:35.400
And so, until we know
that from the court,
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:36.590
we wouldn't know whether there
00:37:36.590 --> 00:37:39.670
is anything to pull back on.
00:37:39.670 --> 00:37:42.330
So, these are all questions that can't
00:37:42.330 --> 00:37:45.440
be answered without
a specific fact scenario.
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:50.420
And as we talked about earlier,
00:37:50.420 --> 00:37:53.130
there is a severability clause within
00:37:53.130 --> 00:37:54.370
the legislation itself.
00:37:54.370 --> 00:37:58.910
So ultimately a determination that one
00:37:58.910 --> 00:38:01.560
part is invalid does not invalidate
00:38:01.560 --> 00:38:02.393
the whole bill.
00:38:02.393 --> 00:38:05.790
And you may think of the bill
00:38:05.790 --> 00:38:06.820
as having several parts,
00:38:06.820 --> 00:38:09.607
but one part is just a requirement
00:38:09.607 --> 00:38:11.840
for you all on what you do with
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:13.570
your social studies TEKS.
00:38:13.570 --> 00:38:15.540
Another part is a requirement on
00:38:15.540 --> 00:38:18.595
the folks that deliver a social studies
00:38:18.595 --> 00:38:19.428
curriculum and what they
00:38:20.494 --> 00:38:21.981
can or cannot speak to.
00:38:21.981 --> 00:38:26.270
I'm sure those would have
00:38:26.270 --> 00:38:27.670
different grounds that folks
00:38:28.783 --> 00:38:29.616
would be moving forward
00:38:30.523 --> 00:38:31.884
if they filed litigation.
00:38:31.884 --> 00:38:34.801
* I have a follow
up. And I know.
00:38:40.883 --> 00:38:43.800
But I'm wondering what organization
00:38:50.048 --> 00:38:52.104
actually talked to* or worked
00:38:52.104 --> 00:38:53.920
with worked with create this Bill?
00:38:54.882 --> 00:38:56.818
Because it seems really far removed from
00:38:56.818 --> 00:38:58.010
what's actually happening in engine*.
00:38:59.451 --> 00:39:00.830
This is Hanno* Thompson* again.
00:39:00.830 --> 00:39:01.750
You would have to talk to the Bill
00:39:02.816 --> 00:39:03.649
author and the coauthors on who
00:39:03.649 --> 00:39:05.200
they spoke to and who they
00:39:05.200 --> 00:39:06.900
discussed when writing their bill.
00:39:10.260 --> 00:39:11.357
All right. Thank you.
00:39:13.470 --> 00:39:14.620
I've got Ms. Hardy*.
00:39:14.620 --> 00:39:17.596
Are you following up
on that particular one,
00:39:17.596 --> 00:39:19.127
or do you have a new line of questions?
00:39:20.670 --> 00:39:23.775
Okay, let me go to
Ms. Hardy* then I'll...*.
00:39:23.775 --> 00:39:24.608
Okay.
00:39:24.608 --> 00:39:27.247
I'm addressing Member
Cortez's concerns.
00:39:29.376 --> 00:39:34.170
I have been on the
State Board of Education,
00:39:34.170 --> 00:39:35.300
Permanent School Fund committee
00:39:35.300 --> 00:39:37.940
off and on for a long time.
00:39:37.940 --> 00:39:42.940
And I will say we're
considerably better off
00:39:43.010 --> 00:39:46.020
today with this new bill
than we have been in
00:39:46.020 --> 00:39:48.990
all my previous years
of different iterations,
00:39:48.990 --> 00:39:51.430
of different aspects of the bill.
00:39:51.430 --> 00:39:54.320
And I'm appreciative very much of
00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:58.080
Tom, Maynard and
Kevin for the work they did.
00:39:58.080 --> 00:40:00.620
Because even two years ago,
00:40:00.620 --> 00:40:03.180
it was on shaky grounds.
00:40:03.180 --> 00:40:07.780
And we are much better
off than we've ever been.
00:40:07.780 --> 00:40:12.670
And I feel like there
are a lot of parameters
00:40:12.670 --> 00:40:14.940
put on this that are very healthy,
00:40:14.940 --> 00:40:16.840
or I wouldn't feel so strongly about it.
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:18.570
So, I have a lot of confidence
00:40:18.570 --> 00:40:20.083
in that particular thing.
00:40:22.110 --> 00:40:23.770
Member Maynard said that there
00:40:24.851 --> 00:40:27.575
are 23 States with PSFs.
00:40:27.575 --> 00:40:29.540
They don't even begin...
00:40:29.540 --> 00:40:32.030
What's was ours? 50 billion now?
00:40:32.030 --> 00:40:34.197
We're up to 50 billion.
00:40:34.197 --> 00:40:35.416
We're up to 50
billion right now.
00:40:35.416 --> 00:40:36.816
And no one even comes close.
00:40:37.684 --> 00:40:39.106
So the State Board has done,
00:40:39.106 --> 00:40:41.510
against a lot of odds.
00:40:41.510 --> 00:40:46.380
And you're right there's
a lot of people have done
00:40:46.380 --> 00:40:48.467
everything they could to check us
00:40:48.467 --> 00:40:51.720
and to convince us that they
00:40:51.720 --> 00:40:53.430
should be able to be in charge of it.
00:40:53.430 --> 00:40:56.010
But we do have the constitution.
00:40:56.010 --> 00:40:58.600
But this one, this particular action,
00:40:58.600 --> 00:41:01.070
is the healthiest we've taken on
00:41:01.070 --> 00:41:03.183
in all of this time
period, I do believe.
00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:05.610
And thank you gentlemen
00:41:06.459 --> 00:41:07.555
for what you've done.
00:41:07.555 --> 00:41:08.523
I appreciate you sharing that.
00:41:09.653 --> 00:41:10.640
And again, my issue is not
00:41:10.640 --> 00:41:12.630
with any anybody in this room.
00:41:12.630 --> 00:41:14.170
We may disagree on social studies
00:41:14.170 --> 00:41:15.520
and science and other issues,
00:41:15.520 --> 00:41:18.210
but when it comes to that PSF fund,
00:41:18.210 --> 00:41:20.580
I think we've been united a 100%.
00:41:20.580 --> 00:41:22.913
Because we understand
the value of that money,
00:41:24.141 --> 00:41:26.426
for every child that
we serve in this State.
00:41:26.426 --> 00:41:28.840
For generations to come
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:30.530
after we're no longer on this body
00:41:30.530 --> 00:41:33.410
and I still have some concerns,
00:41:33.410 --> 00:41:36.703
but I hope we can work
through some of that.
00:41:40.350 --> 00:41:41.450
Thank you.
00:41:41.450 --> 00:41:42.617
I just wanted to follow up on
00:41:42.617 --> 00:41:46.943
member Pérez-Díaz on HB 3979.
00:41:47.810 --> 00:41:48.790
I think you mentioned there was
00:41:48.790 --> 00:41:50.200
a lot of press and a lot of people
00:41:50.200 --> 00:41:51.619
wrote about that.
00:41:51.619 --> 00:41:55.880
And I've read the
bill and I didn't just...
00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:56.810
I'll cut to the chase.
00:41:56.810 --> 00:41:58.644
I got a postcard from a teacher,
00:41:58.644 --> 00:42:00.372
he or she was anonymous,
00:42:00.372 --> 00:42:02.750
and said something about prohibiting
00:42:02.750 --> 00:42:04.740
the teaching of slavery.
00:42:04.740 --> 00:42:05.900
Is that prohibited?
00:42:05.900 --> 00:42:07.570
Teaching the history of slavery in
00:42:07.570 --> 00:42:09.970
this bill or any other
bill you saw the session?
00:42:12.670 --> 00:42:14.090
I don't believe so.
00:42:14.090 --> 00:42:16.560
The bill did go through a
number of changes as it
00:42:16.560 --> 00:42:18.497
went through the process.
00:42:18.497 --> 00:42:20.392
And so, depending on when that
00:42:20.392 --> 00:42:21.763
particular individual read the news,
00:42:22.724 --> 00:42:23.572
or read the bill at that stage,
00:42:23.572 --> 00:42:24.997
it could have been
in there at one point.
00:42:24.997 --> 00:42:26.030
I don't actually know
the history of the bill.
00:42:26.030 --> 00:42:28.848
We as an agency did not have
00:42:28.848 --> 00:42:29.681
a lot to do with that bill.
00:42:29.681 --> 00:42:31.960
So I don't have a lot of information
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:35.030
on the different
iterations of that bill.
00:42:35.030 --> 00:42:36.130
It is an eight-page bill.
00:42:36.130 --> 00:42:37.780
It is a rather short bill.
00:42:37.780 --> 00:42:39.470
So, I would advise anybody with
00:42:39.470 --> 00:42:41.348
any questions to of course,
00:42:41.348 --> 00:42:42.181
just read the eight pages.
00:42:42.181 --> 00:42:43.973
It's not as long as it started.
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:51.980
One thing that the
bill required to be done,
00:42:51.980 --> 00:42:56.980
is to make sure that we
teach the slavery law of 1793
00:42:57.960 --> 00:43:02.900
and the slavery law of 1850.
00:43:02.900 --> 00:43:04.010
So, I would think if the
00:43:04.010 --> 00:43:06.290
bill requires that we teach those laws,
00:43:06.290 --> 00:43:08.993
that it requires that
we teach about slavery.
00:43:13.640 --> 00:43:16.523
Mr. Chair, my question
is, I guess, more for you.
00:43:17.643 --> 00:43:20.000
What are the next steps?
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:23.267
I mean, we have this section
here that says, I guess,
00:43:23.267 --> 00:43:25.910
"Bills with SBOE action needed."
00:43:25.910 --> 00:43:28.090
And I see some dates as early
00:43:28.090 --> 00:43:31.915
as September 1, or just overall.
00:43:31.915 --> 00:43:34.610
I mean, I assume there's some rule TEKS
00:43:34.610 --> 00:43:35.690
that we may have to do,
00:43:35.690 --> 00:43:38.250
or something that we
have to put forward.
00:43:38.250 --> 00:43:40.600
Are we gonna have a
special call board meeting?
00:43:41.902 --> 00:43:42.735
I think we can probably address
00:43:42.735 --> 00:43:44.934
these in the next item which is
00:43:44.934 --> 00:43:45.965
we have a TEKS update.
00:43:45.965 --> 00:43:47.226
Is there anything you wanna add now?
00:43:47.226 --> 00:43:48.170
I will just say Mr. Cortez,
00:43:48.170 --> 00:43:50.530
we typically put together a calendar
00:43:50.530 --> 00:43:52.820
of the action that you need to take,
00:43:52.820 --> 00:43:54.820
and we'll make sure that we keep
00:43:55.694 --> 00:43:56.629
track of all that for you.
00:43:56.629 --> 00:43:58.263
So, Shelly's gonna go through some
00:43:58.263 --> 00:43:59.583
of those timelines and the next item.
00:44:00.720 --> 00:44:01.780
There's at least one bill
00:44:01.780 --> 00:44:03.820
that's not actual rulemaking.
00:44:03.820 --> 00:44:06.010
And so we are still working on
00:44:06.010 --> 00:44:08.010
gathering all that information.
00:44:08.010 --> 00:44:09.950
And we'll work with the Chair to
00:44:09.950 --> 00:44:11.530
get the right items on your
00:44:11.530 --> 00:44:13.920
agenda at the right time.
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:15.640
The one distinction that I would
00:44:15.640 --> 00:44:17.211
call your attention to is,
00:44:17.211 --> 00:44:19.550
we often have immediate effective
00:44:19.550 --> 00:44:21.530
dates are September 1 effective dates,
00:44:21.530 --> 00:44:23.750
but then there's also language in
00:44:23.750 --> 00:44:26.300
the bill that talks
about when it applies.
00:44:26.300 --> 00:44:28.090
So there might be language that
00:44:28.090 --> 00:44:29.420
like the bill is effective,
00:44:29.420 --> 00:44:31.660
but the SBOE is required to take action.
00:44:31.660 --> 00:44:34.910
As Hunter mentioned by December 1, 2022.
00:44:34.910 --> 00:44:37.270
So we will reconcile all of those dates,
00:44:37.270 --> 00:44:39.060
and we'll make sure that you have
00:44:39.060 --> 00:44:41.440
opportunity to hit those deadlines.
00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:42.690
Okay. And that's
why I was asking.
00:44:42.690 --> 00:44:45.350
'Cause some of them
say effective September 1,
00:44:45.350 --> 00:44:47.600
but applies beginning 21/22.
00:44:47.600 --> 00:44:49.576
And if we're not gonna meet
00:44:49.576 --> 00:44:52.230
till we're actually here on September 1,
00:44:52.230 --> 00:44:54.770
and it starts 21/22 school year,
00:44:54.770 --> 00:44:56.580
then we've missed the boat on that one.
00:44:56.580 --> 00:45:00.401
Well we have in the past though
00:45:00.401 --> 00:45:01.986
interpreted the 21/22 school year
00:45:01.986 --> 00:45:03.928
to be not when the school year starts,
00:45:03.928 --> 00:45:05.772
if it applies during that school year.
00:45:05.772 --> 00:45:10.772
We work hard to communicate
00:45:12.511 --> 00:45:13.700
to offices that your rulemaking
00:45:13.700 --> 00:45:15.520
process takes six months,
00:45:15.520 --> 00:45:17.180
and that if they expect you to
00:45:17.180 --> 00:45:19.913
adopt rules by September
1, that can't happen.
00:45:21.356 --> 00:45:24.200
And so there have been times
00:45:24.200 --> 00:45:25.380
in the past when you haven't
00:45:25.380 --> 00:45:27.700
met certain deadlines not because
00:45:27.700 --> 00:45:29.720
of inaction on your part,
00:45:29.720 --> 00:45:31.970
because it's just not
possible with the public
00:45:31.970 --> 00:45:35.543
comment period and all
the steps you have to take.
00:45:35.543 --> 00:45:37.530
I think you see the results.
00:45:37.530 --> 00:45:38.850
Some of the offices were very
00:45:38.850 --> 00:45:40.829
responsive to our feedback and
00:45:40.829 --> 00:45:43.890
pushed some of that implementation out.
00:45:43.890 --> 00:45:45.810
Not everyone did,
00:45:45.810 --> 00:45:47.640
but we also try to work with Hunter
00:45:47.640 --> 00:45:49.240
and his team to communicate to
00:45:49.240 --> 00:45:52.450
offices that you're
working as quickly as
00:45:52.450 --> 00:45:55.503
laws and rules will
enable you to take action.
00:45:56.750 --> 00:45:57.990
Mr. Chairman
00:45:57.990 --> 00:45:59.160
Let me finish on that one.
00:45:59.160 --> 00:46:01.067
Mr. Cortez, I think your point's taken
00:46:01.067 --> 00:46:03.106
and the fact that we'll call
00:46:03.106 --> 00:46:03.939
whatever meetings we need to do.
00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:06.102
We'll get our work done.
00:46:06.102 --> 00:46:07.171
But I think she raised a point
00:46:07.171 --> 00:46:08.272
like on 3979, it talked
00:46:08.272 --> 00:46:09.105
about its implemented in September,
00:46:09.105 --> 00:46:11.759
but it had to be done,
as you were referencing,
00:46:11.759 --> 00:46:13.230
by the end of 2022.
00:46:13.230 --> 00:46:14.730
There's another similar bill on
00:46:14.730 --> 00:46:17.676
informed patriotism that its effective
00:46:17.676 --> 00:46:18.940
September 1.
00:46:18.940 --> 00:46:20.680
It doesn't give that 2022.
00:46:20.680 --> 00:46:22.020
But essentially when you read the bill,
00:46:22.020 --> 00:46:24.580
it says at our next revision.
00:46:24.580 --> 00:46:27.310
So it goes into effect immediately,
00:46:27.310 --> 00:46:28.670
but it doesn't say we have to have
00:46:28.670 --> 00:46:32.240
that inputted* in our
TEKS on September 1, 21,
00:46:32.240 --> 00:46:35.530
as Ms. Martinez says would
be technically impossible.
00:46:35.530 --> 00:46:36.720
But it's something that when
00:46:36.720 --> 00:46:38.300
we next do our next revision,
00:46:38.300 --> 00:46:39.400
we would bring those things
00:46:39.400 --> 00:46:42.170
such as informed patriotism into that.
00:46:42.170 --> 00:46:43.940
Okay, Mr. Maynard.
00:46:43.940 --> 00:46:46.630
And just as a follow-up to
00:46:46.630 --> 00:46:49.580
your question related to 1232,
00:46:49.580 --> 00:46:51.979
is that on that one,
00:46:51.979 --> 00:46:54.379
I will tell you that the
devil's in the details.
00:46:55.270 --> 00:46:57.560
And I mean, every time you peel
00:46:57.560 --> 00:46:59.670
that onion layer back, you find more.
00:46:59.670 --> 00:47:00.594
And there's a lot.
00:47:00.594 --> 00:47:02.962
Staffs working on a punch list,
00:47:02.962 --> 00:47:06.620
and it's considerable.
00:47:06.620 --> 00:47:09.240
And so, but good news is,
00:47:09.240 --> 00:47:11.330
I mean, and I will tell you this,
00:47:11.330 --> 00:47:15.520
is that our staff and
actually the GLO staff
00:47:15.520 --> 00:47:17.483
have actually had a long relationship.
00:47:18.460 --> 00:47:20.480
And they actually
work very well together,
00:47:20.480 --> 00:47:24.930
and they've had a good
positive relationship.
00:47:24.930 --> 00:47:28.010
And so those guys are on board
00:47:28.010 --> 00:47:29.460
and they're working together.
00:47:30.369 --> 00:47:33.220
And it's gonna be a pretty long list,
00:47:33.220 --> 00:47:35.630
that sort of thing, but
we're working pretty hard
00:47:35.630 --> 00:47:36.910
and we're committed to that,
00:47:36.910 --> 00:47:38.240
and are getting it right.
00:47:38.240 --> 00:47:40.843
But yeah, those are those are in motion.
00:47:43.221 --> 00:47:44.459
All right.
00:47:44.459 --> 00:47:46.443
Any other questions from
members on the legislative update,
00:47:47.900 --> 00:47:49.050
Mr. Thompson, thank you
00:47:50.309 --> 00:47:52.060
for your patience and appreciate ya.
00:47:52.060 --> 00:47:54.997
And that will close item
number three on our agenda,
00:47:54.997 --> 00:47:56.921
and we will move to item number four
00:47:56.921 --> 00:47:58.610
on our Wednesday agenda,
which is a TEKS update.
00:47:58.610 --> 00:48:00.103
And I will call on Ms. Ramos.
00:48:04.780 --> 00:48:05.960
Yes, sir. Thank you.
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:08.980
So for a few topics to talk to you about
00:48:08.980 --> 00:48:12.410
for your TEKS update this meeting,
00:48:12.410 --> 00:48:14.540
because as you know,
you've got several subject
00:48:14.540 --> 00:48:16.560
areas under review all at the same time,
00:48:16.560 --> 00:48:19.344
or several subject areas
that are about to start.
00:48:19.344 --> 00:48:22.653
So we do have a handout for you,
00:48:23.902 --> 00:48:25.760
several handouts for you that
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:27.750
Lenny's gonna bring around.
00:48:27.750 --> 00:48:31.250
One of those handouts
is your format calendar.
00:48:31.250 --> 00:48:33.870
So if you recall, we try and keep
00:48:33.870 --> 00:48:36.680
you up-to-date with what events are
00:48:36.680 --> 00:48:38.570
happening between now and your
00:48:38.570 --> 00:48:40.209
next State Board of Education meeting.
00:48:40.209 --> 00:48:43.210
So that'll be the top
document and handout.
00:48:43.210 --> 00:48:44.910
If you have any questions on that,
00:48:45.822 --> 00:48:46.800
just let me know while I'm up here.
00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:48.390
I wanna just kind of briefly touch on
00:48:48.390 --> 00:48:49.720
each of the subject areas that you
00:48:49.720 --> 00:48:51.490
have under review right now.
00:48:51.490 --> 00:48:54.250
So firstly, science.
00:48:54.250 --> 00:48:55.900
I mentioned on Tuesday
00:48:55.900 --> 00:48:58.240
that your work group F is scheduled
00:48:58.240 --> 00:49:00.790
to meet twice in the month of July,
00:49:00.790 --> 00:49:03.380
hopefully to finalize
those recommendations
00:49:03.380 --> 00:49:04.300
for science TEKS.
00:49:04.300 --> 00:49:06.260
And you'll see the
dates of those meetings
00:49:06.260 --> 00:49:09.610
on the calendar when it
makes its way around to you.
00:49:09.610 --> 00:49:12.640
If you would like to participate
in those virtual meetings,
00:49:12.640 --> 00:49:14.640
please just let SBOE support staff know,
00:49:14.640 --> 00:49:17.190
and they can get you the
information that you need.
00:49:18.120 --> 00:49:19.387
Then moving on to CTE,
00:49:20.460 --> 00:49:24.730
Yolanda sent you on
a Wednesday I believe,
00:49:24.730 --> 00:49:27.930
the list that was requested
for the CTE courses
00:49:27.930 --> 00:49:30.540
that had received business
and industry feedback,
00:49:30.540 --> 00:49:32.300
and the list of courses
that have not yet
00:49:32.300 --> 00:49:34.880
received business and industry feedback.
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:36.440
If you happen to reach out
00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:37.490
to business and industry,
00:49:37.490 --> 00:49:39.970
to ask them to provide us feedback,
00:49:39.970 --> 00:49:40.803
a couple of things,
00:49:40.803 --> 00:49:43.030
one is, you can feel free to put
00:49:43.030 --> 00:49:45.060
them in touch with Jessica or me and
00:49:45.060 --> 00:49:46.150
we'll get them what they need.
00:49:46.150 --> 00:49:48.140
Or you can send them to the draft
00:49:48.140 --> 00:49:50.843
recommendations on
the website, if that's easier.
00:49:50.843 --> 00:49:52.410
And we would ask that if they
00:49:52.410 --> 00:49:54.190
are gonna submit any feedback,
00:49:54.190 --> 00:49:57.690
if possible to get it to
us by the end of July,
00:49:57.690 --> 00:49:59.640
so that then we can make determinations
00:49:59.640 --> 00:50:01.000
on whether or not we need to bring
00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:03.541
the work groups back
to do some additional
00:50:03.541 --> 00:50:04.893
work before your September meeting.
00:50:06.464 --> 00:50:09.040
Lastly, on the topic of CTE,
00:50:09.040 --> 00:50:10.870
there are three other programs
00:50:10.870 --> 00:50:12.660
of study that still need to
00:50:12.660 --> 00:50:15.404
come in and do some
work as part of this cycle.
00:50:15.404 --> 00:50:17.648
That is cybersecurity, agriculture,
00:50:17.648 --> 00:50:22.780
food and natural resources,
and renewable energy.
00:50:22.780 --> 00:50:25.660
So we would anticipate
sometime in September,
00:50:25.660 --> 00:50:27.735
bringing in work
groups to start that work.
00:50:27.735 --> 00:50:31.460
But by then, you should be wrapping up
00:50:31.460 --> 00:50:34.127
your other programs of study for CTE.
00:50:35.740 --> 00:50:38.230
Moving on to technology applications.
00:50:38.230 --> 00:50:41.110
So you have begun that process.
00:50:41.110 --> 00:50:43.360
If you recall, every process begins
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:44.906
with a survey and applications.
00:50:44.906 --> 00:50:46.303
Thank you for those of you
00:50:46.303 --> 00:50:47.960
that have been approving the
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:49.320
applications for technology.
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:52.210
Applications that we've
been sending to you.
00:50:52.210 --> 00:50:55.420
We are a little bit
light on K5 teachers.
00:50:55.420 --> 00:50:57.380
So for those of you who keep
00:50:57.380 --> 00:51:02.019
in contact with
districts in your district,
00:51:02.019 --> 00:51:04.266
I would just ask that to encourage any
00:51:04.266 --> 00:51:07.530
K5 teachers to submit an application
00:51:07.530 --> 00:51:09.130
to serve on those work groups.
00:51:09.130 --> 00:51:10.180
We do have enough people
00:51:10.180 --> 00:51:11.540
to get that process started.
00:51:11.540 --> 00:51:12.700
And so at the end of July,
00:51:12.700 --> 00:51:15.870
we would anticipate
bringing in work group A,
00:51:15.870 --> 00:51:18.900
and your content advisors
are working on feedback.
00:51:18.900 --> 00:51:21.120
So, as soon as we have
that feedback from them,
00:51:21.120 --> 00:51:23.314
we'll send that to you and we'll be
00:51:23.314 --> 00:51:25.150
ready to convene our
work group A meeting.
00:51:25.150 --> 00:51:26.440
So that's sort of where we are
00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:28.250
with technology applications.
00:51:28.250 --> 00:51:31.330
The second handout in your packet there,
00:51:31.330 --> 00:51:33.120
is the survey results.
00:51:33.120 --> 00:51:35.980
I mentioned that we start
the process with the survey.
00:51:35.980 --> 00:51:39.100
So we've provided
you with aggregate level
00:51:39.100 --> 00:51:42.910
survey results for
technology applications.
00:51:42.910 --> 00:51:45.530
If you would like to
dig deeper into the data,
00:51:45.530 --> 00:51:46.970
just let me know, and we can get you
00:51:46.970 --> 00:51:51.570
the free responses probably
sometime next week.
00:51:51.570 --> 00:51:52.917
This goes to work group A,
00:51:52.917 --> 00:51:55.810
and to the content advisors.
00:51:55.810 --> 00:51:57.050
And we ask them to take a
00:51:57.050 --> 00:51:59.130
look at it because it may guide the
00:51:59.970 --> 00:52:02.170
recommendations that
they make for the TEKS.
00:52:03.900 --> 00:52:05.800
So that's it for
technology applications.
00:52:05.800 --> 00:52:07.570
And then I'll move on to your
00:52:07.570 --> 00:52:09.774
next subject area that's
coming up for review,
00:52:09.774 --> 00:52:12.490
and that is social studies.
00:52:12.490 --> 00:52:14.830
So as Monica mentioned to you,
00:52:14.830 --> 00:52:17.240
and as you heard Hunter tell you,
00:52:17.240 --> 00:52:18.870
there are a couple of pieces
00:52:18.870 --> 00:52:20.830
of legislation that will impact
00:52:20.830 --> 00:52:23.328
the TEK review for social studies,
00:52:23.328 --> 00:52:28.328
Senate Bill 1063, House Bill
3979, and House Bill 4509.
00:52:30.770 --> 00:52:34.070
And as you all have
had that conversation,
00:52:34.070 --> 00:52:36.900
House Bill 3979 establishes that these
00:52:36.900 --> 00:52:41.160
TEKS should be adopted
by December 31st of, 2022.
00:52:41.160 --> 00:52:43.070
So because it was already your
00:52:43.070 --> 00:52:44.690
next subject area for review,
00:52:44.690 --> 00:52:47.320
we made some minor
tweaks to the schedule.
00:52:47.320 --> 00:52:50.390
And we have you on track to adopting
00:52:50.390 --> 00:52:54.610
those standards in November of 2022.
00:52:54.610 --> 00:52:58.660
I will caution you that those
timelines as you well know,
00:52:58.660 --> 00:53:01.320
those of you been on
the board for some time,
00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:04.130
can run off schedule for
any number of reasons.
00:53:04.130 --> 00:53:05.960
So we'll be giving you updates
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:07.640
and reminders and letting you know,
00:53:07.640 --> 00:53:09.970
if there are things we need from you,
00:53:09.970 --> 00:53:11.786
to keep the process moving on track.
00:53:11.786 --> 00:53:17.170
So to that end, the last
handout in your packet,
00:53:17.170 --> 00:53:18.240
has two things on it.
00:53:18.240 --> 00:53:22.520
One, is it has that proposed
timeline for social studies.
00:53:22.520 --> 00:53:23.920
So you can see right now
00:53:23.920 --> 00:53:26.300
we're in the preparation stages.
00:53:26.300 --> 00:53:28.140
We're working on the survey,
00:53:28.140 --> 00:53:31.210
we're working on the
application for educators,
00:53:31.210 --> 00:53:32.830
and I'll talk to you in just a second
00:53:32.830 --> 00:53:35.100
about identifying content advisers,
00:53:35.100 --> 00:53:37.800
'cause that's the first
thing we usually start with.
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:41.630
Then we'll work on
getting recommendations
00:53:41.630 --> 00:53:42.810
not only from the board,
00:53:42.810 --> 00:53:45.370
but also from your content advisors,
00:53:45.370 --> 00:53:47.480
as the second stage in the process,
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:49.300
that'll happen this fall.
00:53:49.300 --> 00:53:51.770
And then from about November to May,
00:53:51.770 --> 00:53:53.410
we'll be convening your work groups.
00:53:53.410 --> 00:53:56.850
So that's pretty much,
obviously in any review,
00:53:56.850 --> 00:53:58.150
the bulk of the time is spent
00:53:58.150 --> 00:53:59.410
with the work groups.
00:53:59.410 --> 00:54:01.300
So we'll be doing that.
00:54:01.300 --> 00:54:02.640
We haven't made a decision,
00:54:02.640 --> 00:54:05.090
but we are exploring moving
00:54:05.090 --> 00:54:06.700
back to face-to-face meetings.
00:54:06.700 --> 00:54:09.000
So that will probably be a positive,
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:10.900
I think, for folks.
00:54:10.900 --> 00:54:13.721
Face to face meetings
of those work groups,
00:54:13.721 --> 00:54:15.790
but then of course, supplementing
00:54:15.790 --> 00:54:17.283
it with virtual as needed.
00:54:18.150 --> 00:54:20.522
And so bottom line is
we've got you on track.
00:54:20.522 --> 00:54:22.255
That's your timeline,
00:54:22.255 --> 00:54:24.756
just to give you a very high level
00:54:24.756 --> 00:54:28.150
understanding of what we have planned.
00:54:28.150 --> 00:54:30.960
On the reverse of that document is
00:54:30.960 --> 00:54:33.253
my ask-of-you for today.
00:54:34.770 --> 00:54:36.320
So this is your homework assignment.
00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:39.180
This is a very important
homework assignment.
00:54:39.180 --> 00:54:40.816
So I've mentioned a couple
00:54:40.816 --> 00:54:42.119
of times your content advisor.
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:45.040
So this is the time to start
thinking about identifying
00:54:45.040 --> 00:54:49.240
content advisors for your
social studies TEK review.
00:54:49.240 --> 00:54:53.130
As in the past, it requires two
00:54:53.130 --> 00:54:56.240
State Board of Education
members to agree
00:54:56.240 --> 00:54:58.950
to designate one content advisor.
00:54:58.950 --> 00:55:00.840
So find yourself a Betty*
00:55:00.840 --> 00:55:03.860
and designate a content advisor.
00:55:03.860 --> 00:55:06.370
Because this is a foundation subject,
00:55:06.370 --> 00:55:08.830
your process also calls for
00:55:08.830 --> 00:55:12.380
two content advisors to be named
00:55:12.380 --> 00:55:15.160
by the Commissioner of Higher Education
00:55:15.160 --> 00:55:18.850
to represent Texas
Colleges and Universities.
00:55:18.850 --> 00:55:23.040
So it's possible that you
could have up to seven
00:55:23.040 --> 00:55:25.320
designated by State Board
of Education members,
00:55:25.320 --> 00:55:28.080
plus two from the Commissioner
of Higher Education.
00:55:28.080 --> 00:55:29.690
So we can have as many as
00:55:29.690 --> 00:55:32.710
nine content advisors for this review.
00:55:32.710 --> 00:55:36.700
There is a deadline
for you of July 30th,
00:55:36.700 --> 00:55:39.540
to identify your content advisors.
00:55:39.540 --> 00:55:41.280
So just wanna remind you of that.
00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:42.663
And Yolanda's* wonderful.
00:55:43.539 --> 00:55:45.010
And she'll give you updates periodically
00:55:47.178 --> 00:55:48.760
to remind you of that deadline.
00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:50.805
We do ask that you send us
00:55:50.805 --> 00:55:51.942
their contact information,
00:55:51.942 --> 00:55:53.440
and if you have a resume or CV,
00:55:53.440 --> 00:55:58.193
and you can send that all
to SBOE support by July 30.
00:56:00.610 --> 00:56:03.053
Any questions about content advisors?
00:56:07.950 --> 00:56:12.030
I just had a clarifying
question on the timeline.
00:56:12.030 --> 00:56:14.530
And I've only been
here a couple of years.
00:56:14.530 --> 00:56:16.320
But I do see that we get off track
00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:19.620
sometimes on the TEKS revision schedule.
00:56:19.620 --> 00:56:21.130
But we can't get off track.
00:56:21.130 --> 00:56:22.140
Ain't that right?
00:56:22.140 --> 00:56:25.500
We have to have it by
November, by that law?
00:56:25.500 --> 00:56:26.900
Well, as Monica mentioned,
00:56:26.900 --> 00:56:28.840
sometimes for various reasons,
00:56:28.840 --> 00:56:32.480
you don't quite meet the
timeline established in law.
00:56:32.480 --> 00:56:34.960
I think we're going to urge you to
00:56:34.960 --> 00:56:37.150
stay on the timeline
because it does have
00:56:37.150 --> 00:56:39.350
downstream impact for
your other subject areas.
00:56:39.350 --> 00:56:41.370
So that law is
not definite then?
00:56:41.370 --> 00:56:43.360
Well, so I would
say in order to be
00:56:43.360 --> 00:56:44.470
in compliance with the law,
00:56:44.470 --> 00:56:46.017
you need to stick with this timeline.
00:56:46.017 --> 00:56:48.149
Yeah. I think it's pretty
straight forward, ain't it?
00:56:48.149 --> 00:56:48.982
Yeah.
00:56:48.982 --> 00:56:49.815
Yeah.
00:56:59.010 --> 00:57:02.530
We did include the
requirements for qualifications,
00:57:02.530 --> 00:57:05.130
for content advisors on that handout.
00:57:05.130 --> 00:57:06.770
So you have that with you.
00:57:06.770 --> 00:57:08.770
You can hang it on your refrigerator
00:57:08.770 --> 00:57:11.500
when you get home as a reminder to you.
00:57:11.500 --> 00:57:12.333
All right.
00:57:12.333 --> 00:57:14.100
So the last thing I wanted
00:57:14.100 --> 00:57:15.830
to visit with you about today.
00:57:15.830 --> 00:57:17.210
You heard both Monica and Hunter
00:57:17.210 --> 00:57:20.240
talk a little bit about the legislation
00:57:20.240 --> 00:57:22.980
and how there are certain topics
00:57:22.980 --> 00:57:24.270
that will need to be addressed in
00:57:24.270 --> 00:57:26.070
your social studies TEK review.
00:57:26.070 --> 00:57:27.713
So there are two handouts.
00:57:28.713 --> 00:57:31.370
The two thicker handouts in that packet.
00:57:31.370 --> 00:57:36.064
We did a comparison of
the topics that are required
00:57:36.064 --> 00:57:41.064
by House Bill 3979,
and by House Bill 4509,
00:57:42.010 --> 00:57:45.433
to what you currently
have in your current TEKS.
00:57:45.433 --> 00:57:48.180
So on the left-hand side,
00:57:48.180 --> 00:57:50.450
you'll see the topic from the bills.
00:57:50.450 --> 00:57:54.321
And then we tried to make a general
00:57:54.321 --> 00:57:55.183
statement about the current TEKS.
00:57:56.516 --> 00:57:57.653
And then on the right-hand side,
00:57:57.653 --> 00:57:59.351
we provide you with the actual language
00:57:59.351 --> 00:58:00.850
from your current student expectations.
00:58:00.850 --> 00:58:02.097
So I think what I would say,
00:58:02.097 --> 00:58:04.050
and what you'll see in
looking at the document,
00:58:04.050 --> 00:58:05.400
is many of those topics are
00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:08.130
already addressed in
your current standards.
00:58:08.130 --> 00:58:09.990
There are some obviously that are not,
00:58:09.990 --> 00:58:12.970
and would need to be
addressed by the work groups.
00:58:12.970 --> 00:58:16.850
There are some that are
addressed in different ways,
00:58:16.850 --> 00:58:18.810
maybe not to the level of specificity
00:58:18.810 --> 00:58:21.140
that's required in the legislation.
00:58:21.140 --> 00:58:22.170
But for those of you who aren't
00:58:22.170 --> 00:58:24.190
familiar with those two
pieces of legislation,
00:58:24.190 --> 00:58:25.890
we wanted to kind of give you this
00:58:25.890 --> 00:58:28.860
as background information
so that you're aware.
00:58:28.860 --> 00:58:32.440
House Bill 4509 is,
00:58:32.440 --> 00:58:34.170
Dr. Ellis mentioned it a moment ago,
00:58:34.170 --> 00:58:35.940
about informed patriotism.
00:58:35.940 --> 00:58:37.800
It also includes some topics.
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:39.380
Many of those topics are the
00:58:39.380 --> 00:58:43.430
same as those identified
in House Bill 3979.
00:58:43.430 --> 00:58:45.270
So we didn't repeat those.
00:58:45.270 --> 00:58:48.030
We only provided for
you in the second handout,
00:58:48.030 --> 00:58:51.683
the ones that are
unique to House Bill 4509.
00:58:56.736 --> 00:59:00.060
So this is all information of course,
00:59:00.060 --> 00:59:02.300
that we'll share with
your content advisors
00:59:02.300 --> 00:59:03.170
and with your work groups,
00:59:03.170 --> 00:59:04.820
Once we get to that point,
00:59:04.820 --> 00:59:09.030
but with the exception
of content advisors,
00:59:09.030 --> 00:59:11.910
we're still a little bit
away from starting
00:59:11.910 --> 00:59:14.670
the social studies TEK review process.
00:59:14.670 --> 00:59:17.020
We are planning at the beginning
00:59:17.020 --> 00:59:20.400
of August to post a
survey and an application.
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:22.220
We will let you know in case you
00:59:22.220 --> 00:59:23.926
want to message that to
00:59:23.926 --> 00:59:26.950
your superintendents in your district.
00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:30.580
Thank you, Ms. Ramos.
00:59:30.580 --> 00:59:31.520
And before I go on any questions,
00:59:31.520 --> 00:59:34.060
I do wanna point out one thing on 3979,
00:59:34.060 --> 00:59:36.686
if you all have not seen
that document before.
00:59:36.686 --> 00:59:38.870
The side by side.
00:59:38.870 --> 00:59:41.890
If you flip through that,
the right hand column is
00:59:41.890 --> 00:59:43.530
our current student expectations.
00:59:43.530 --> 00:59:47.160
And as you go through
that 18-page document,
00:59:47.160 --> 00:59:49.280
almost every single one of those columns
00:59:49.280 --> 00:59:51.019
has something in there where
00:59:51.019 --> 00:59:51.860
we're already teaching that.
00:59:51.860 --> 00:59:52.930
There's just a handful.
00:59:52.930 --> 00:59:56.440
So a majority of 3979*
is already on our TEKS,
00:59:56.440 --> 00:59:59.573
except for a few small items.
01:00:00.850 --> 01:00:02.060
That being said, any other items
01:00:02.060 --> 01:00:03.943
or any other questions for Ms. Ramos?
01:00:05.650 --> 01:00:08.370
I would highlight the content advisor,
01:00:08.370 --> 01:00:10.260
that is going to come up very quickly.
01:00:10.260 --> 01:00:14.110
And so I think that's your take-home job
01:00:14.110 --> 01:00:15.860
as soon as we leave our meeting
01:00:15.860 --> 01:00:16.910
today to start working on that,
01:00:16.910 --> 01:00:18.560
because we want to make sure that
01:00:19.480 --> 01:00:20.660
we have high quality
individuals on that.
01:00:20.660 --> 01:00:22.869
And that's not something you
01:00:22.869 --> 01:00:23.702
can just recruit someone overnight.
01:00:23.702 --> 01:00:25.220
So I echo her comments about
01:00:25.220 --> 01:00:28.260
the importance of getting
ready for that by July.
01:00:28.260 --> 01:00:30.288
We have someone over here.
01:00:30.288 --> 01:00:31.121
Ms. Pérez
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:37.380
And just as a reminder,
01:00:37.380 --> 01:00:38.370
cause we get this question
01:00:38.370 --> 01:00:40.210
every time with content advisors,
01:00:40.210 --> 01:00:41.730
we do provide them specific
01:00:41.730 --> 01:00:44.730
details about the charge that they have.
01:00:44.730 --> 01:00:47.079
There is a stipend provided.
01:00:47.079 --> 01:00:49.350
We do personal services contracts
01:00:49.350 --> 01:00:50.820
with these individuals.
01:00:50.820 --> 01:00:52.990
It's not a lot of money,
but it is a small stipend
01:00:52.990 --> 01:00:55.480
that they'd get paid for this work.
01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:56.313
Ms. Little.
01:00:57.447 --> 01:00:58.880
Shelly, can you
give us an update
01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:03.010
of where we are on the
Asian American Studies
01:01:03.010 --> 01:01:05.230
and the Native American Studies Courses?
01:01:05.230 --> 01:01:07.803
Yes ma'am. So we have heard,
01:01:07.803 --> 01:01:09.640
and Ms. Pérez-Díaz
01:01:09.640 --> 01:01:12.320
might be able to give
a little bit of update,
01:01:12.320 --> 01:01:14.190
but there are some districts
01:01:14.190 --> 01:01:15.190
and parents that are working
01:01:15.190 --> 01:01:17.441
together on a draft of an application
01:01:17.441 --> 01:01:19.057
for an innovative course for
01:01:19.057 --> 01:01:22.530
the Asian American Studies Course.
01:01:22.530 --> 01:01:25.730
And I know that they and Pérez-Díaz,
01:01:25.730 --> 01:01:28.850
have been in contact with our staff
01:01:28.850 --> 01:01:31.490
who oversee innovative courses.
01:01:31.490 --> 01:01:32.980
The application for innovative
01:01:32.980 --> 01:01:35.400
courses isn't due until the fall.
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:37.300
But it's a good sign that
01:01:37.300 --> 01:01:39.850
they've gotten a
head-start on that work.
01:01:39.850 --> 01:01:41.870
If you have individuals that
01:01:41.870 --> 01:01:43.310
are interested in that process,
01:01:43.310 --> 01:01:45.117
'cause I know some of you have
01:01:45.117 --> 01:01:46.077
mentioned that to us,
01:01:46.077 --> 01:01:47.430
I'd be happy to put them in touch
01:01:47.430 --> 01:01:49.010
with the group that's currently working
01:01:49.010 --> 01:01:50.130
on that so that everybody who wants to,
01:01:50.130 --> 01:01:52.370
can be involved in that.
01:01:52.370 --> 01:01:53.812
Okay.
01:01:53.812 --> 01:01:54.900
*When will that*
01:01:56.371 --> 01:01:57.507
We don't have an update.
01:01:57.507 --> 01:01:58.969
We haven't heard very much on the
01:01:58.969 --> 01:02:00.810
topic of a Native
American Studies Course,
01:02:00.810 --> 01:02:04.530
but some board members
may know more than we do.
01:02:04.530 --> 01:02:05.363
Miss Hardy.
01:02:07.367 --> 01:02:10.999
Brian Pri ISD*.
We'll be teaching.
01:02:10.999 --> 01:02:14.570
I think they're working on the...
01:02:14.570 --> 01:02:17.176
I'm surprised you
haven't heard from them.
01:02:17.176 --> 01:02:21.230
Because application
hasn't posted,
01:02:21.230 --> 01:02:23.850
it's not unusual for us
not to hear about them.
01:02:23.850 --> 01:02:25.760
But some applicants just wanna get a
01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:27.881
head start and they're
more than welcome...
01:02:27.881 --> 01:02:29.751
They wanted
to do it in the fall.
01:02:29.751 --> 01:02:31.175
Great.
01:02:31.175 --> 01:02:32.423
They're planning the
innovative course in the fall.
01:02:33.285 --> 01:02:36.182
So I'm gonna get them
to check back with you.
01:02:36.182 --> 01:02:38.770
The contact information
is on the website,
01:02:38.770 --> 01:02:41.460
and I will be happy
to reach out to them*
01:02:41.460 --> 01:02:42.864
I've already
told them to do it,
01:02:42.864 --> 01:02:43.697
and I thought that they had.
01:02:43.697 --> 01:02:46.623
I just wanna be
clear here on timelines.
01:02:47.611 --> 01:02:52.611
So for courses to be
taught as innovative courses
01:02:52.820 --> 01:02:56.220
in the fall of 2021, that
deadline has passed.
01:02:56.220 --> 01:02:58.370
So the next deadline that Shelley's
01:02:58.370 --> 01:03:00.585
talking about is for courses that
01:03:00.585 --> 01:03:01.610
would be implemented as
01:03:04.179 --> 01:03:06.220
innovative courses in 2022.
01:03:06.220 --> 01:03:08.770
It may be that a district is
01:03:08.770 --> 01:03:10.590
planning to work on something
01:03:10.590 --> 01:03:12.350
through special topics in social studies
01:03:12.350 --> 01:03:14.260
or some other means while they
01:03:14.260 --> 01:03:16.430
develop an application,
01:03:16.430 --> 01:03:18.790
but I don't wanna create too
01:03:18.790 --> 01:03:20.403
much confusion out there.
01:03:21.520 --> 01:03:23.250
There is not enough time for us
01:03:23.250 --> 01:03:26.170
to receive and approve an application
01:03:26.170 --> 01:03:29.178
for an innovative
course for fall of 2020.
01:03:29.178 --> 01:03:30.011
And they don't plan to.
01:03:30.011 --> 01:03:31.692
I've been in contact with Grand Prairie,
01:03:31.692 --> 01:03:33.099
they're taking their time
01:03:33.099 --> 01:03:34.271
and they're still developing.
01:03:34.271 --> 01:03:36.173
They have no plans
on submitting that soon.
01:03:36.173 --> 01:03:37.006
They wanna make sure it's right.
01:03:38.075 --> 01:03:39.085
And am I correct in
01:03:39.085 --> 01:03:39.918
understanding too in the process,
01:03:39.918 --> 01:03:42.420
that a district can develop
a local course in teaching
01:03:42.420 --> 01:03:44.470
under special topics,
01:03:44.470 --> 01:03:46.510
which is what* the
Mexican American State.
01:03:46.510 --> 01:03:48.860
So I think it's been past precedent
01:03:48.860 --> 01:03:51.030
for them to develop it, teach it,
01:03:51.030 --> 01:03:52.300
learn from their own students,
01:03:52.300 --> 01:03:53.740
how that course works before they
01:03:53.740 --> 01:03:55.490
get to the next step,
01:03:55.490 --> 01:03:56.480
which is the innovative courses.
01:03:56.480 --> 01:03:58.613
And then as we've done with some of
01:03:58.613 --> 01:04:00.211
those courses that
are innovative courses,
01:04:00.211 --> 01:04:01.627
make them teach space* course.
01:04:01.627 --> 01:04:02.827
That's absolutely true.
01:04:02.827 --> 01:04:04.530
In fact, the revised
innovative course process,
01:04:04.530 --> 01:04:06.970
the board rules encourage districts
01:04:06.970 --> 01:04:08.234
to pilot it before applying.
01:04:08.234 --> 01:04:11.090
Right. And just kind of one
01:04:11.090 --> 01:04:13.310
more fine point on that discussion.
01:04:13.310 --> 01:04:14.410
I think many years ago,
01:04:14.410 --> 01:04:16.640
the first ethnic studies
course we adopted
01:04:16.640 --> 01:04:18.370
was Mexican American Studies.
01:04:18.370 --> 01:04:20.360
And at that time, or might've been,
01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:22.964
we adopted them
African American Studies,
01:04:22.964 --> 01:04:24.260
we called for a total of four courses,
01:04:24.260 --> 01:04:25.950
the Mexican American Studies,
01:04:25.950 --> 01:04:28.291
African American Studies,
Asian American Studies
01:04:28.291 --> 01:04:29.223
and Native American Studies.
01:04:30.952 --> 01:04:31.785
Is that correct?
01:04:33.923 --> 01:04:37.480
I wanna be careful
about the language I use.
01:04:37.480 --> 01:04:42.330
There was an official call,
but the language in your
01:04:42.330 --> 01:04:44.470
operating procedures,
and now in your rules,
01:04:44.470 --> 01:04:46.990
does identify courses such as,
01:04:46.990 --> 01:04:48.290
and it does include some of those.
01:04:48.290 --> 01:04:49.650
Yes, sir.
01:04:49.650 --> 01:04:52.610
And Ms. Pérez-Díaz had
something to add I think.
01:05:03.401 --> 01:05:06.115
You have all the
instrumental in help
01:05:06.115 --> 01:05:08.340
in the US Senate timeline
that we're working with.
01:05:08.340 --> 01:05:09.173
I have been working with several experts
01:05:09.173 --> 01:05:14.141
nationwide and Statewide who
01:05:14.141 --> 01:05:17.940
already developed a draft proposal.
01:05:17.940 --> 01:05:21.243
It's ready to go for
the application bid*
01:05:22.160 --> 01:05:24.840
We used the Mexican American Studies and
01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:26.990
African-American Studies framework.
01:05:26.990 --> 01:05:29.540
So that we were in
line with the different
01:05:29.540 --> 01:05:33.450
strands that have been
a pretty consistent route*.
01:05:33.450 --> 01:05:38.260
And so afterthat
pretty valid first draft,
01:05:38.260 --> 01:05:42.070
I'm excited to share
that once the professors
01:05:42.070 --> 01:05:44.980
I'm working with feel comfortable that
01:05:44.980 --> 01:05:49.300
we're in a place that
they can share out.*
01:05:49.300 --> 01:05:53.087
But all that to say, we
have representatives* in
01:05:54.202 --> 01:05:55.902
from Houston to Dallas, to the San
01:05:57.583 --> 01:05:58.416
Antonio area and even beyond Texas,
01:05:58.416 --> 01:06:01.690
just to get a little more perspective
01:06:01.690 --> 01:06:05.070
from the conversations* taking place.
01:06:05.070 --> 01:06:10.070
And so there are some
pretty significant individuals
01:06:11.311 --> 01:06:15.720
in the field that are a
part of this conversation.
01:06:15.720 --> 01:06:17.440
So I'm very excited about it.
01:06:17.440 --> 01:06:18.897
Anybody that wants to be involved,
01:06:18.897 --> 01:06:21.740
I'm more than happy
to have conversations
01:06:21.740 --> 01:06:23.430
with any of my colleagues,
01:06:23.430 --> 01:06:27.080
anybody that wants to
offer up additional individuals
01:06:27.080 --> 01:06:29.270
who would like to participate.
01:06:29.270 --> 01:06:30.810
Absolutely, the more the merrier.
01:06:30.810 --> 01:06:33.130
I think that we're in
a place where we're
01:06:33.130 --> 01:06:35.380
ready to start presenting.
01:06:35.380 --> 01:06:37.732
So thank you all so much.
01:06:37.732 --> 01:06:39.162
If you have any questions,
01:06:39.162 --> 01:06:40.493
feel free to reach out to me.
01:06:40.493 --> 01:06:42.760
Or Kelsey* also has a
lot of that information too.
01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:44.935
Like I said, she's been helping me
01:06:44.935 --> 01:06:46.150
with the timeline and what the process
01:06:46.150 --> 01:06:49.263
should look like for the
two* American studies.
01:06:53.319 --> 01:06:57.269
Would it be possible
for us to see a draft
01:06:57.269 --> 01:07:00.811
of that Asian-American Studies Course?
01:07:00.811 --> 01:07:04.222
We've not received
one and the...
01:07:04.222 --> 01:07:09.222
Ms. Pérez Díaz, would
you wanna respond
01:07:11.903 --> 01:07:14.763
to Ms. Little's request.
01:07:19.041 --> 01:07:20.813
Yes. *should have
something solid by mid-July.
01:07:24.249 --> 01:07:26.166
And so, I'm happy that*
01:07:38.290 --> 01:07:40.849
We're losing her,
but it sounded like she
01:07:40.849 --> 01:07:42.300
would have a draft ready by mid-July.
01:07:42.300 --> 01:07:44.240
So she can pipe back in a little bit
01:07:44.240 --> 01:07:45.913
if she's able to restore that.
01:07:47.040 --> 01:07:49.140
Alright. Any other
questions from members?
01:07:52.280 --> 01:07:54.280
Alright, Ms. Ramos, thank you very much.
01:07:55.424 --> 01:07:56.720
And that concludes our items for the
01:07:56.720 --> 01:07:58.567
Committee of the Full Board.
01:07:58.567 --> 01:08:01.008
So members that concludes our Wednesday
01:08:01.008 --> 01:08:04.660
agenda items for the
Committee of the Full Board
01:08:04.660 --> 01:08:06.920
for Wednesdays agendas.
01:08:06.920 --> 01:08:10.443
So without any objection,
we will adjourn that meeting.
01:08:11.720 --> 01:08:14.990
And now we will move to open
the State Board of Education,
01:08:14.990 --> 01:08:19.697
June 25th, 2021 meeting
01:08:23.860 --> 01:08:26.354
of the Texas State Board of Education.
01:08:26.354 --> 01:08:29.720
Another welcome to everyone.
Welcome to our meeting.
01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:33.470
I do wanna say something in
response to earlier in the week.
01:08:33.470 --> 01:08:34.950
I wanna remind everyone on this
01:08:34.950 --> 01:08:37.616
board that we have an expectation that
01:08:37.616 --> 01:08:39.620
all individuals will conduct
themselves with decorum
01:08:39.620 --> 01:08:42.760
at all times when
participating in our meetings.
01:08:42.760 --> 01:08:44.850
The board does wanna
hear from all individuals,
01:08:44.850 --> 01:08:47.981
regardless of point of
view, who wished to provide
01:08:47.981 --> 01:08:49.240
testimony on issues of public policy
01:08:49.240 --> 01:08:51.170
that the board is considering.
01:08:51.170 --> 01:08:54.190
Individuals should remain
focused on the issue at hand,
01:08:54.190 --> 01:08:57.000
and refrain from personal
attacks of any kind.
01:08:57.000 --> 01:08:59.110
Such as the language that we have
01:08:59.110 --> 01:09:01.272
in our board operating procedures.
01:09:01.272 --> 01:09:04.260
That our board operating
procedures does establish
01:09:04.260 --> 01:09:07.250
that the presiding Chair may
direct disruptive individuals
01:09:07.250 --> 01:09:09.805
into the gallery area and
be removed as necessary
01:09:09.805 --> 01:09:12.330
to preserve the decorum
during our meetings.
01:09:12.330 --> 01:09:15.110
And individuals who conduct themselves
01:09:15.110 --> 01:09:17.680
other than in a
professional and respectful
01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:20.026
manner could be
removed from the meeting.
01:09:20.026 --> 01:09:22.923
So I just wanted to point
that out before we get started,
01:09:24.570 --> 01:09:28.300
I want to begin with our
virtual student performance
01:09:28.300 --> 01:09:29.220
that we have today.
01:09:29.220 --> 01:09:30.650
And I believe Ms. Pérez-Díaz,
01:09:30.650 --> 01:09:32.777
will be doing the introductions.
01:09:32.777 --> 01:09:33.870
Do we have her back?
01:09:33.870 --> 01:09:35.100
I'm here*
01:09:35.100 --> 01:09:36.220
Okay, we've got ya.
01:09:36.220 --> 01:09:41.220
Alright, well, so good
morning fellow board members,
01:09:42.350 --> 01:09:46.594
our TEA team, and all of
our guests who are tuning in,
01:09:46.594 --> 01:09:48.490
whether they are
virtual or there in person.
01:09:48.490 --> 01:09:50.620
It's my honor to introduce our first,
01:09:50.620 --> 01:09:52.810
since my tenure on the board began,
01:09:52.810 --> 01:09:55.350
if not ever, summer
student performance group.
01:09:55.350 --> 01:10:00.181
So in 1984, the Mariachi Nuevo Santander
01:10:00.181 --> 01:10:04.960
group from Roma Texas, brought to
01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:07.643
life a tradition that
is near and dear to
01:10:07.643 --> 01:10:10.780
my heart for over 27
years to the valley*.
01:10:10.780 --> 01:10:13.300
So this phenomenal group
of young artists supported
01:10:13.300 --> 01:10:15.530
by superintendent Carlos Guzman,
01:10:15.530 --> 01:10:16.960
and under the direction of
01:10:18.047 --> 01:10:19.730
their musical director, Eloy Garza,
01:10:19.730 --> 01:10:22.220
are part of a long tradition
and legacy of award winning
01:10:22.220 --> 01:10:25.240
cultural and artful
celebration and vibrancy,
01:10:25.240 --> 01:10:28.980
Mariachi Nuevo Santander
has won 14 national titles,
01:10:28.980 --> 01:10:32.760
performed on Season
12 of America's Got Talent,
01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:34.240
they had an online performance that
01:10:34.240 --> 01:10:36.520
went viral during the
pandemic, and they've
01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:38.913
been featured on The
Kelly Clarkson Show.
01:10:38.913 --> 01:10:42.510
Three weeks ago, the US
Department of Education
01:10:42.510 --> 01:10:44.750
actually reached out to
the Texas Education Agency
01:10:44.750 --> 01:10:47.940
to see if we could identify
Mariachi performance group
01:10:47.940 --> 01:10:51.047
to showcase at their virtual summit
01:10:51.047 --> 01:10:54.140
on Building Equitable Learning
Environments in Our Schools.
01:10:54.140 --> 01:10:59.140
Roma ISD, their Mariachi came
together in just about a week,
01:11:00.030 --> 01:11:02.370
and put together this
amazing performance
01:11:02.370 --> 01:11:05.440
And so without further
ado, I wanna introduce
01:11:05.440 --> 01:11:07.933
Roma's ISD's Mariachi Nuevo Santander
01:11:13.300 --> 01:11:14.700
Hello, secretary Cardona,
01:11:14.700 --> 01:11:17.320
and hello US Department of Education,
01:11:17.320 --> 01:11:20.030
we are Mariachi <v
->Nuevo Santander
01:11:20.030 --> 01:11:22.970
From Roma High School
and my name is Eloy Garza,
01:11:22.970 --> 01:11:26.221
musical director, Speaking Spanish*
01:11:26.221 --> 01:11:28.890
We're honored to share with you
01:11:28.890 --> 01:11:30.620
a piece of Mexican folk music
01:11:30.620 --> 01:11:32.263
known as Speaking Spanish*
01:11:32.263 --> 01:11:33.960
from our beautiful morning* town,
01:11:33.960 --> 01:11:36.293
in the city of Roma, Texas to DC*.
01:11:36.293 --> 01:11:39.060
We hope you enjoy our
music, Speaking Spanish*
01:11:39.060 --> 01:11:42.930
and that it delights your
hearts with joy and happiness.
01:11:42.930 --> 01:11:46.610
Feel free to get up, dance,
and let the music movie you
01:11:46.610 --> 01:11:50.090
We present to you the award
winning nationally recognized
01:11:50.090 --> 01:11:53.254
Mariachi Nuevo Santander,
from Roma High School.
01:11:53.254 --> 01:11:54.686
Enjoy.
01:11:54.686 --> 01:11:58.019
(Classic music palying)
01:14:17.641 --> 01:14:20.641
(Audience clapping)
01:14:30.773 --> 01:14:33.690
That was fantastic. And
I wanna thank very much
01:14:33.690 --> 01:14:36.270
the Roma High School for participating
01:14:36.270 --> 01:14:39.757
in our meeting today
and bringing that to us.
01:14:39.757 --> 01:14:43.750
We will now call him
Mr. Hickman to bring
01:14:43.750 --> 01:14:46.393
us the invocation and
lead us in the pledges.
01:15:00.860 --> 01:15:02.110
Will you please
stand with me for
01:15:02.110 --> 01:15:03.660
the invocation and the pledges.
01:15:10.980 --> 01:15:13.920
Father God. I pray today for
the State Board of Education,
01:15:13.920 --> 01:15:16.560
who you haven't trusted
leadership in this State.
01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:18.726
And for our families that share
01:15:18.726 --> 01:15:20.260
the responsibility in burdens.
01:15:20.260 --> 01:15:22.120
I pray that you'll
help bring us together,
01:15:22.120 --> 01:15:25.410
rise above and seek the
larger vision of your will.
01:15:25.410 --> 01:15:28.720
Give us calmness,
encouragement and humility.
01:15:28.720 --> 01:15:30.500
Give us wisdom to know what is right,
01:15:30.500 --> 01:15:34.210
and courage to make
decisions aligned with your will.
01:15:34.210 --> 01:15:35.810
We commit this meeting to you.
01:15:35.810 --> 01:15:38.223
I pray all of this in Jesus name. Amen.
01:15:39.410 --> 01:15:40.863
Have a pledge to US flag.
01:15:42.270 --> 01:15:45.030
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
01:15:45.030 --> 01:15:47.210
United States of America,
01:15:47.210 --> 01:15:50.060
and to the Republic for which it stands,
01:15:50.060 --> 01:15:52.170
one nation under God,
01:15:52.170 --> 01:15:56.010
indivisible with liberty
and justice for all.
01:15:56.010 --> 01:15:57.800
And the Texas flag.
01:15:57.800 --> 01:15:59.710
Honor the Texas flag.
01:15:59.710 --> 01:16:02.440
I pledge allegiance to thee Texas.
01:16:02.440 --> 01:16:06.640
One State under God,
one and indivisible.
01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:07.473
Thank you.
01:16:09.090 --> 01:16:10.373
Thank you, Mr. Hickman.
01:16:11.420 --> 01:16:14.951
And I will now call on
Ms. Martinez to call the roll.
01:16:14.951 --> 01:16:18.581
Ms. Pérez, Mr. Cortez,
Here.
01:16:18.581 --> 01:16:22.234
Ms. Pérez-Díaz,
01:16:22.234 --> 01:16:25.903
Mr. Allen*, Present.
01:16:32.070 --> 01:16:33.590
Dr. Bell-Metereau,
01:16:33.590 --> 01:16:34.423
Present.
01:16:36.460 --> 01:16:37.390
Mr. Hickman,
01:16:37.390 --> 01:16:38.780
Here.
01:16:38.780 --> 01:16:40.196
Dr. Robinson,
01:16:40.196 --> 01:16:41.440
Present.
01:16:41.440 --> 01:16:42.343
Dr. Yang*
01:16:43.590 --> 01:16:44.985
Here.
01:16:44.985 --> 01:16:47.080
Mr. Maynard,
01:16:47.080 --> 01:16:48.467
Ms. Hardy,
01:16:48.467 --> 01:16:50.128
Here
01:16:50.128 --> 01:16:51.295
Mrs. Little,
01:16:52.281 --> 01:16:53.484
Here. Present
01:16:53.484 --> 01:16:56.096
Mrs. Melton-Malone,
01:16:56.096 --> 01:16:56.929
Here.
01:16:56.929 --> 01:16:57.813
Dr. Johnson,
01:16:57.813 --> 01:16:58.646
Here.
01:16:58.646 --> 01:16:59.690
Dr. Ellis,
01:16:59.690 --> 01:17:02.040
Here, and please note
Ms. Pérez present also.
01:17:04.680 --> 01:17:05.980
Alright, thank you. A quorum is present.
01:17:05.980 --> 01:17:07.730
The first business to be considered
01:17:09.480 --> 01:17:11.219
is the approval of the minutes
01:17:11.219 --> 01:17:13.115
of the State Board of Education meeting
01:17:13.115 --> 01:17:14.486
from April 16th, 2021.
01:17:14.486 --> 01:17:16.420
Are there any
corrections to the minutes?
01:17:16.420 --> 01:17:19.049
Hearing none. There are no corrections
01:17:19.049 --> 01:17:20.290
then the minutes are approved.
01:17:20.290 --> 01:17:22.900
Next business and orders is
the presentation of resolutions.
01:17:22.900 --> 01:17:25.970
Ms. Pérez, please
present the resolutions.
01:17:25.970 --> 01:17:27.570
Thank you, Mr. Chair.
01:17:27.570 --> 01:17:32.320
This morning, it is
one of our favorite days,
01:17:32.320 --> 01:17:35.010
because we are recognizing
01:17:35.010 --> 01:17:38.700
our student heroes
from each of our districts.
01:17:38.700 --> 01:17:42.190
So to each of you who
visited, or were unable to visit,
01:17:42.190 --> 01:17:44.260
but sent a virtual message and
01:17:44.260 --> 01:17:46.440
had their awards sent to them.
01:17:46.440 --> 01:17:47.610
Thank you all for that.
01:17:47.610 --> 01:17:50.930
And we received quite a
bit of wonderful feedback
01:17:50.930 --> 01:17:51.870
from our students this year,
01:17:51.870 --> 01:17:54.220
who are so proud to have
received these awards.
01:17:55.235 --> 01:17:57.330
Whereas the State Board of Education
01:17:57.330 --> 01:17:59.787
Student Heroes Award
was created in 2015,
01:17:59.787 --> 01:18:03.710
recognizing Texas public
school students who engage in
01:18:03.710 --> 01:18:06.590
unselfish acts of
kindness and service that
01:18:06.590 --> 01:18:08.900
benefit their fellow
students or communities.
01:18:08.900 --> 01:18:11.650
And whereas State Board of Education
01:18:11.650 --> 01:18:14.740
members selected
outstanding students across
01:18:14.740 --> 01:18:19.427
the State as recipients of the
2021 Student Heroes Award.
01:18:19.427 --> 01:18:21.660
And whereas Arianna Suniga,
01:18:21.660 --> 01:18:23.370
senior at Medina Valley High School
01:18:23.370 --> 01:18:25.900
in Medina Valley
Independent School District,
01:18:25.900 --> 01:18:27.510
demonstrated leadership skills
01:18:27.510 --> 01:18:29.540
by organizing a canned food drive,
01:18:29.540 --> 01:18:32.450
and collected over 600 nonperishable
01:18:32.450 --> 01:18:34.070
food items for local families.
01:18:34.070 --> 01:18:37.280
And whereas Julia Gilliam,
01:18:37.280 --> 01:18:40.568
a junior at Flour Bluff High
school in Flour Bluff ISD,
01:18:40.568 --> 01:18:43.809
has a passion for helping
others by organizing
01:18:43.809 --> 01:18:47.540
the Nueces County Jr Livestock
for kids with special needs,
01:18:47.540 --> 01:18:49.600
and firmly decided to make this project
01:18:49.600 --> 01:18:50.920
her high school legacy,
01:18:50.920 --> 01:18:53.440
that will continue beyond graduation.
01:18:53.440 --> 01:18:55.580
Whereas Michael Frere, a junior at
01:18:55.580 --> 01:18:58.450
International School of the
Americas in Northeast ISD
01:18:58.450 --> 01:19:00.710
has been an inspiring leader in the
01:19:00.710 --> 01:19:02.498
Students Of Service organization,
01:19:02.498 --> 01:19:05.217
leading his own,
'Make it Happen' project,
01:19:05.217 --> 01:19:08.600
that created arts and crafts
opportunities for students
01:19:08.600 --> 01:19:11.870
in the San Antonio Metropolitan
Ministry's homeless shelter.
01:19:11.870 --> 01:19:14.850
And whereas Paridhi
Latawa, a junior at the
01:19:14.850 --> 01:19:17.300
Liberal Arts and Science
Academy in Austin ISD
01:19:17.300 --> 01:19:19.430
has stellar leadership qualities,
01:19:19.430 --> 01:19:21.790
that led her to organize SparkED,
01:19:21.790 --> 01:19:23.910
that hosts science,
technology, engineering,
01:19:23.910 --> 01:19:26.900
and math literacy camps, webinars,
01:19:26.900 --> 01:19:28.190
and mentoring opportunities,
01:19:28.190 --> 01:19:31.640
that are meant to be an
inclusive and equitable opportunity.
01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:34.630
And whereas Byron Randon II a senior
01:19:34.630 --> 01:19:36.510
at Sweeny High School, in Sweeny ISD,
01:19:36.510 --> 01:19:39.230
is a published author of
a children's book called
01:19:39.230 --> 01:19:41.040
Be Something Great,
01:19:41.040 --> 01:19:43.130
which shares his story
of perseverance through
01:19:43.130 --> 01:19:45.411
football while challenging
kids to be great.
01:19:45.411 --> 01:19:48.920
Encouraging them to
not just play sports for fun,
01:19:48.920 --> 01:19:51.250
but also to apply their
learning to develop
01:19:51.250 --> 01:19:54.300
discipline, teamwork,
bravery, and hard work.
01:19:54.300 --> 01:19:55.670
Whereas Connelly Cowen,
01:19:55.670 --> 01:19:58.374
a junior at Mount Pleasant High School,
01:19:58.374 --> 01:20:00.570
in Mount Pleasant ISD,
started Connelly's Classroom*,
01:20:00.570 --> 01:20:03.810
at age seven and annually
collects school supplies
01:20:03.810 --> 01:20:05.670
through a donation box at her local
01:20:05.670 --> 01:20:07.990
church in lieu of her birthday presents.
01:20:07.990 --> 01:20:09.960
After a lot of preparation, she delivers
01:20:09.960 --> 01:20:12.153
the boxes to Refuge International.
01:20:12.153 --> 01:20:14.720
A non-profit organization,
in Longview, Texas
01:20:14.720 --> 01:20:17.550
that makes regular
mission trips to Guatemala.
01:20:17.550 --> 01:20:20.640
And whereas Aubrey
Hollingsworth, a sophomore
01:20:20.640 --> 01:20:23.550
at Hutto High School at Hutto ISD,
01:20:23.550 --> 01:20:26.360
is a leader at her school's Leo Club.
01:20:26.360 --> 01:20:28.580
With a heart for service,
she led a food drive
01:20:28.580 --> 01:20:32.810
and serving 508 families,
including 1,278 children
01:20:32.810 --> 01:20:35.950
who also received toys,
but more than anything,
01:20:35.950 --> 01:20:40.950
led the district's Leo, to
raise $1,217 benefiting the
01:20:41.190 --> 01:20:45.000
organization called
Austin Sunshine Kids.
01:20:45.000 --> 01:20:47.090
And whereas Brock Bergen*, a junior at
01:20:47.090 --> 01:20:52.090
Lawrence Dale Bell High School
in Hurst-Euless-Bedford ISD,
01:20:53.220 --> 01:20:55.540
is a volunteer mentor
who focused on improving
01:20:55.540 --> 01:20:58.090
the reading skills of
elementary children,
01:20:58.090 --> 01:21:01.230
and as a servant at local organizations,
01:21:01.230 --> 01:21:03.000
he founded Brock's socks*.
01:21:03.000 --> 01:21:04.710
Which collects and donates socks.
01:21:04.710 --> 01:21:07.090
And on his 16th birthday,
he sponsored a campaign
01:21:07.090 --> 01:21:09.757
supporting the Tarrant
Area Food Bank that raised
01:21:09.757 --> 01:21:14.757
$1,500 and provided over
6,000 meals to area families.
01:21:14.900 --> 01:21:19.330
And where Camavi Ravi*, a junior at
01:21:19.330 --> 01:21:21.910
Centennial High School in Frisco ISD
01:21:21.910 --> 01:21:24.000
is passionate about
the power of kindness.
01:21:24.000 --> 01:21:25.920
She founded the nonprofit organization
01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:27.250
called Kindness For All*
01:21:27.250 --> 01:21:29.364
and raised funds that
benefited over 50,000 people
01:21:29.364 --> 01:21:32.570
in monetary and in kind donations,
01:21:32.570 --> 01:21:35.475
from three different kindness* projects.
01:21:35.475 --> 01:21:38.900
And whereas the Zeriah Griggs,*
01:21:38.900 --> 01:21:41.620
a senior at Harmony School
of Excellence in Dallas,
01:21:41.620 --> 01:21:44.488
has a genuine heart
for developing others
01:21:44.488 --> 01:21:46.140
through mentorship.
01:21:46.140 --> 01:21:49.170
She has a passion for
volunteering her time and talent,
01:21:49.170 --> 01:21:51.760
whether at school
or at her local church,
01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:55.380
where she is a true runner for success.
01:21:55.380 --> 01:21:58.210
Whereas Romella Spitzer,
a fourth grade student at
01:21:58.210 --> 01:22:01.550
Williams Ledger Elementary
School in Copperas Cove ISD
01:22:01.550 --> 01:22:03.820
was a true hero when
she raised money to buy
01:22:05.585 --> 01:22:07.489
artwork materials for
students in special education,
01:22:07.489 --> 01:22:09.120
that allowed the students
to showcase their artwork
01:22:09.120 --> 01:22:13.340
during a Valentine show with
all -you-can-eat chocolates.
01:22:13.340 --> 01:22:16.640
The event raised almost
$1,900, which helped
01:22:16.640 --> 01:22:20.320
purchase sensory classroom
equipment for her district.
01:22:20.320 --> 01:22:23.210
And whereas Ivy Pham a senior at
01:22:24.384 --> 01:22:27.180
Hirschi High School in
Wichita Falls, ISD is a student
01:22:27.180 --> 01:22:28.520
with a servant's heart.
01:22:28.520 --> 01:22:30.570
Who pursues challenging coursework
01:22:30.570 --> 01:22:32.710
while volunteering at local hospitals
01:22:32.710 --> 01:22:35.250
as a translator for Vietnamese patients,
01:22:35.250 --> 01:22:37.940
leading the student
council and key club,
01:22:37.940 --> 01:22:39.910
and serving as a teaching assistant
01:22:39.910 --> 01:22:42.153
during Sunday school
at her local church.
01:22:43.030 --> 01:22:45.480
And whereas these amazing
students have modeled
01:22:45.480 --> 01:22:47.470
caring and compassion
in their communities.
01:22:47.470 --> 01:22:49.570
Now, therefore it be resolved
01:22:49.570 --> 01:22:50.840
that the State Board of Education
01:22:50.840 --> 01:22:52.770
extends its heartfelt thanks
01:22:52.770 --> 01:22:56.890
to each of these kind-hearted students,
01:22:56.890 --> 01:23:00.210
and commends them for
their unselfish volunteerism,
01:23:00.210 --> 01:23:02.130
good character and integrity.
01:23:02.130 --> 01:23:03.660
And be it further resolved
01:23:03.660 --> 01:23:06.610
that this resolution be
presented to each them.
01:23:06.610 --> 01:23:08.480
And that a copy be
included in the permanent
01:23:08.480 --> 01:23:11.150
records of the State Board of Education.
01:23:11.150 --> 01:23:13.720
Please witness our signatures this
01:23:13.720 --> 01:23:18.150
25th day of June, 2021 in Austin, Texas.
01:23:18.150 --> 01:23:21.473
Dr. Keven Ellis, Chair,
and myself, your secretary.
01:23:24.400 --> 01:23:25.500
Thank you, Ms. Pérez
01:23:26.730 --> 01:23:28.420
And I wanna say congratulations.
01:23:28.420 --> 01:23:33.310
All those in favor of
adopting the resolution of the
01:23:33.310 --> 01:23:36.060
2021 Student Heroes Award recipients,
01:23:36.060 --> 01:23:37.737
do so by saying, "Aye."
01:23:37.737 --> 01:23:39.120
Aye
01:23:39.120 --> 01:23:41.213
Alright. And the
resolution is adopted.
01:23:44.460 --> 01:23:47.329
Alright. Members, we'll now
move to public testimony.
01:23:47.329 --> 01:23:49.866
I believe we have four
testifiers who are signed up.
01:23:49.866 --> 01:23:53.250
So I'll call on staff to
call on the testifiers.
01:23:53.250 --> 01:23:56.043
I would remind the board
that these are testifiers who are
01:23:56.043 --> 01:23:59.260
signed up to testify
on something that we
01:23:59.260 --> 01:24:01.640
didn't have on the agenda in the other
01:24:01.640 --> 01:24:03.110
portions of our meeting,
01:24:03.110 --> 01:24:05.200
and therefore as it
is not on the agenda,
01:24:05.200 --> 01:24:08.780
we are not able to open a
dialogue with these testifiers.
01:24:08.780 --> 01:24:11.520
We're simply here to
hear from the public.
01:24:11.520 --> 01:24:13.360
By rule and by law, we are allowed to
01:24:13.360 --> 01:24:15.330
ask them clarifying questions,
01:24:15.330 --> 01:24:17.580
or direct them to the
appropriate staff only.
01:24:18.460 --> 01:24:19.823
Okay. I'll call on staff.
01:24:22.090 --> 01:24:24.470
Perla Muñoz Hopkins,
01:24:24.470 --> 01:24:28.417
Tristin Chizik*, Brandi
Berkman*, Paul Gotea*.
01:24:30.610 --> 01:24:31.893
Perla Munios Hopkins.
01:25:13.440 --> 01:25:16.550
Good morning. My name
is Perla Muñoz Hopkins.
01:25:16.550 --> 01:25:19.690
I was blessed to advocate
for the interstate compact
01:25:19.690 --> 01:25:21.897
on educational opportunity for military
01:25:21.897 --> 01:25:26.190
children back in November to this body.
01:25:26.190 --> 01:25:29.950
And I must say that our service members,
01:25:29.950 --> 01:25:33.650
over 1.4 million veterans
living in the State of Texas,
01:25:33.650 --> 01:25:37.370
are very grateful and
thankful to every school and
01:25:37.370 --> 01:25:41.100
agency that supports our military kids.
01:25:41.100 --> 01:25:44.730
Many of us worked on increasing
awareness for the compact,
01:25:44.730 --> 01:25:49.730
and hoping to update its
elements over the past few months.
01:25:50.030 --> 01:25:52.130
So thank you to Mr. Maynard,
01:25:52.130 --> 01:25:53.910
for not only connecting with me,
01:25:53.910 --> 01:25:58.430
but also for your advocacy
of House Bill 3932,
01:25:59.420 --> 01:26:02.883
which brings in the
Compact Advisory Council.
01:26:03.797 --> 01:26:08.797
My grave concern however,
are the continued violations
01:26:09.300 --> 01:26:14.120
to education and
constitutional law and basic
01:26:14.120 --> 01:26:18.653
civil rights by Leander ISD leadership.
01:26:19.680 --> 01:26:22.224
That is just down the road in Austin.
01:26:22.224 --> 01:26:26.880
They have been violating
article three of Chapter 162,
01:26:26.880 --> 01:26:29.490
by not identifying or tracking
01:26:29.490 --> 01:26:31.160
the military connected children
01:26:31.160 --> 01:26:35.520
whose parent has a retired status.
01:26:35.520 --> 01:26:38.380
In fact, on April 1st of this year,
01:26:38.380 --> 01:26:41.680
I found out that no enrollment form,
01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:45.280
which has this military status block,
01:26:45.280 --> 01:26:47.510
was ever produced for my eldest child.
01:26:47.510 --> 01:26:52.330
Therefore, not executing
any other elements of the
01:26:52.330 --> 01:26:54.543
compact for this student.
01:26:54.543 --> 01:26:59.543
Right now there are children
of fellow veterans in LISD
01:27:00.300 --> 01:27:04.660
who are being denied GT testing,
01:27:04.660 --> 01:27:09.660
and there's also issues with
corresponding GPA in courses.
01:27:11.070 --> 01:27:15.440
Most importantly as our
parental rights are being stripped
01:27:15.440 --> 01:27:17.270
more and more each day.
01:27:17.270 --> 01:27:19.150
I am really concerned about
01:27:19.150 --> 01:27:23.540
the severe and high level
of hate crimes towards any
01:27:23.540 --> 01:27:26.560
parents that speak
up at our school board.
01:27:26.560 --> 01:27:30.326
I have been called a pedophile,
and it is linked to school
01:27:30.326 --> 01:27:32.750
board members, friends of school
01:27:32.750 --> 01:27:35.580
board members of Leander ISD.
01:27:35.580 --> 01:27:38.455
And some of us were afraid to speak up.
01:27:38.455 --> 01:27:40.829
Go ahead and wrap
up your comments.
01:27:40.829 --> 01:27:44.907
Okay. Please, please
connect with any parent, myself.
01:27:46.459 --> 01:27:49.414
There are great* things going on.
01:27:49.414 --> 01:27:55.758
And Leander ISD HB
3979 is a good thing.
01:28:08.090 --> 01:28:11.007
(Speaking Spanish)
01:28:16.070 --> 01:28:17.583
Thank you very much.
01:28:20.191 --> 01:28:23.900
Any clarifying questions
from members Mr. Maynard.
01:28:25.760 --> 01:28:28.130
Ms. Hopkins, you
and I have had a number
01:28:28.130 --> 01:28:30.090
of lengthy conversations.
01:28:30.090 --> 01:28:32.240
And thank you for
making the effort to come
01:28:33.214 --> 01:28:35.393
and to let your voice be heard.
01:28:35.393 --> 01:28:36.700
I think it's important.
01:28:36.700 --> 01:28:38.540
Just to just out of curiosity,
01:28:38.540 --> 01:28:42.433
in terms of the violation
of the law, as you see that.
01:28:43.770 --> 01:28:45.200
Has anything been done in terms of
01:28:45.200 --> 01:28:50.200
filing a complaint with the
Commissioner of Education?
01:28:51.260 --> 01:28:54.604
Sir, I have reached out to TEA.
01:28:54.604 --> 01:28:59.604
I have had to refinance my
house and seek attorney help.
01:29:02.070 --> 01:29:07.070
As of this past week,
Leander ISD has wanted
01:29:07.090 --> 01:29:11.893
me to meet with Walsh
Gallegos Trevino, Kyle law firm.
01:29:13.940 --> 01:29:18.593
None of my public information
requests are usually accepted.
01:29:19.770 --> 01:29:23.620
They are sent to the Attorney General
01:29:23.620 --> 01:29:26.480
and the information
needs to be redacted,
01:29:26.480 --> 01:29:28.713
or I need to accept redactions.
01:29:32.800 --> 01:29:35.980
There are many cease and desist letters
01:29:35.980 --> 01:29:39.543
that many of us
parents have had to file.
01:29:42.210 --> 01:29:45.170
Parents have received hate crimes as
01:29:45.170 --> 01:29:48.083
far as Bratislava in Europe.
01:29:50.260 --> 01:29:52.223
I'm sorry for the bad views.
01:29:53.500 --> 01:29:56.940
I'm here speaking for
many, many that are affected.
01:29:56.940 --> 01:29:59.470
It's my understanding
that there is a process
01:29:59.470 --> 01:30:03.220
is that if the law has been violated,
01:30:03.220 --> 01:30:05.416
that I believe that the Commissioner
01:30:05.416 --> 01:30:06.980
has authority to address that.
01:30:06.980 --> 01:30:08.823
Legal counsel, is that correct?
01:30:13.250 --> 01:30:15.028
Generally, yes.
01:30:15.028 --> 01:30:17.560
We have a complaints
process that can be filed,
01:30:17.560 --> 01:30:20.670
at which point we would begin an initial
01:30:20.670 --> 01:30:24.220
investigation and depending upon the
01:30:24.220 --> 01:30:25.830
severity or what's going on.
01:30:25.830 --> 01:30:27.140
It may leverage up into what
01:30:27.140 --> 01:30:30.360
will now be called a
special investigation.
01:30:30.360 --> 01:30:32.953
It used to be called special
accreditation investigation.
01:30:34.870 --> 01:30:39.730
There's also a grievance
process at the school districts.
01:30:39.730 --> 01:30:41.122
Right.
01:30:41.122 --> 01:30:42.670
And that can be appealed
to the Commissioner.
01:30:42.670 --> 01:30:44.970
Which is separate from
the complaints process.
01:30:46.865 --> 01:30:47.773
There's two parallel processes here.
01:30:48.802 --> 01:30:49.635
Right
01:30:49.635 --> 01:30:50.510
And it could be used.
01:30:50.510 --> 01:30:52.867
Well, Ms. Hopkins,
let's see if we can connect
01:30:54.125 --> 01:30:56.432
you to the right
people in this building.
01:30:56.432 --> 01:30:58.015
Alright. Thank you.
01:30:59.290 --> 01:31:00.490
Tristen Chizik.*
01:31:17.340 --> 01:31:19.670
My name is Tristan
Chizik *and I'm a concerned
01:31:19.670 --> 01:31:22.120
parent with three
children from Leander ISD.
01:31:22.120 --> 01:31:24.230
I'm here to share
concerns we have regarding
01:31:24.230 --> 01:31:27.420
administration and board
members in breaking the law,
01:31:27.420 --> 01:31:31.760
In June, 2021 board
meeting, many parents
01:31:31.760 --> 01:31:33.820
raised concerns for
two AP social studies
01:31:33.820 --> 01:31:36.650
books that will violate HB 3979.
01:31:36.650 --> 01:31:39.530
However, in the June 17th meeting,
01:31:39.530 --> 01:31:41.730
the board voted to approve those books.
01:31:41.730 --> 01:31:43.320
In 2020, the board approved
01:31:43.320 --> 01:31:46.074
a long list of unvetted books for middle
01:31:46.074 --> 01:31:47.978
school and high school book clubs.
01:31:47.978 --> 01:31:49.671
These books include detailed
01:31:49.671 --> 01:31:51.562
descriptions of gang rape, incest,
01:31:51.562 --> 01:31:53.020
drug use, self-mutilation, and more.
01:31:53.020 --> 01:31:55.130
A child can't walk into a rated R movie
01:31:55.130 --> 01:31:57.060
without a parent, or
the theater can be sued.
01:31:57.060 --> 01:32:00.120
However, Leander ISD
is handing sexually explicit
01:32:00.120 --> 01:32:01.833
and violent books to our students,
01:32:02.707 --> 01:32:05.750
including through online
library resource tool
01:32:05.750 --> 01:32:07.430
with the no safety filter.
01:32:07.430 --> 01:32:08.560
Teachers are afraid to speak
01:32:08.560 --> 01:32:10.130
out for fear of losing their jobs.
01:32:10.130 --> 01:32:11.930
They have been threatened
and told that they can
01:32:11.930 --> 01:32:14.430
leave the district, if they
refuse these teachings,
01:32:14.430 --> 01:32:17.732
including being told
Christianity is white supremacy,
01:32:17.732 --> 01:32:22.732
Trustee Dholakia broke
quorum on June 17th, 2021,
01:32:22.980 --> 01:32:25.520
by telling the woman
speaking to "F off."
01:32:25.520 --> 01:32:30.520
In March 2020, Leander ISD hired two
01:32:31.300 --> 01:32:34.509
political activists to do a
community survey on equity.
01:32:34.509 --> 01:32:38.204
Their summary suggested
that Christianity was the primary
01:32:38.204 --> 01:32:43.040
reason for anti LGBTQ,
bigotry and racism in the district.
01:32:43.040 --> 01:32:45.780
In June, 2020 Trustees
said that teachers
01:32:45.780 --> 01:32:47.490
who don't want to take the equity
01:32:47.490 --> 01:32:49.280
training can leave the district.
01:32:49.280 --> 01:32:52.780
Administration has not
responded to multiple inquiries
01:32:52.780 --> 01:32:54.837
and grievances regarding why the song
01:32:54.837 --> 01:32:57.340
"F the police," by N.W.A. is being
01:32:57.340 --> 01:32:59.173
used in our ELA curriculum.
01:33:00.450 --> 01:33:01.470
Our first amendment rights
01:33:01.470 --> 01:33:03.260
are violated at every board meeting.
01:33:03.260 --> 01:33:05.103
As we are told we are not
01:33:05.103 --> 01:33:07.265
allowed to list any names of individuals
01:33:07.265 --> 01:33:08.098
during our speeches,
01:33:08.098 --> 01:33:09.522
and we're not allowed to clap.
01:33:09.522 --> 01:33:10.770
When parents or teachers speak out,
01:33:10.770 --> 01:33:13.150
about objections to the
changes in curriculum,
01:33:13.150 --> 01:33:15.670
or pornographic books,
we are instantly labeled,
01:33:15.670 --> 01:33:17.560
racist, bigots and Christian radicals.
01:33:17.560 --> 01:33:19.220
And often attacked for purposes of
01:33:19.220 --> 01:33:20.710
intimidation behind the scenes.
01:33:20.710 --> 01:33:22.500
I was personally one of them.
01:33:22.500 --> 01:33:24.580
These are some
examples of ongoing issues
01:33:24.580 --> 01:33:26.120
that we're facing within Leander.
01:33:26.120 --> 01:33:27.020
The list is long.
01:33:27.020 --> 01:33:29.377
I'm here to ask what can
we do to fix these issues
01:33:29.377 --> 01:33:31.270
and stop these illegal actions
01:33:31.270 --> 01:33:34.043
and are you able to help our district?
01:33:35.550 --> 01:33:36.920
Okay. Thank you, Ms. Trizic
01:33:36.920 --> 01:33:38.621
Any clarifying questions from members?
01:33:38.621 --> 01:33:42.248
Thank you very much.
01:33:42.248 --> 01:33:46.173
Randy Berkman,
01:33:52.930 --> 01:33:53.837
Paul, go TA,*
01:34:18.316 --> 01:34:19.149
Go ahead.
01:34:20.295 --> 01:34:21.409
Good morning.
01:34:21.409 --> 01:34:24.491
Last week, Governor
Abbott signed to law HB3979.
01:34:24.491 --> 01:34:26.360
In doing so, the law states,
the schools in Texas cannot
01:34:26.360 --> 01:34:27.930
teach in such a way
01:34:27.930 --> 01:34:30.133
to make children feel
bad about themselves.
01:34:32.780 --> 01:34:34.320
A teacher, administrator,
01:34:34.320 --> 01:34:35.770
and other employees of State agencies,
01:34:35.770 --> 01:34:39.570
school district charter schools,
could not require or engage
01:34:39.570 --> 01:34:42.620
in training orientation therapy
that present any form of
01:34:42.620 --> 01:34:44.530
race, sex, stereotyping, or blame,
01:34:44.530 --> 01:34:46.830
on the basis of race or sex
01:34:46.830 --> 01:34:50.910
and could not require
or make part of a course
01:34:50.910 --> 01:34:55.910
or concept that, one race or sex
01:34:56.100 --> 01:34:58.893
was inherently superior,
the other race or sex.
01:34:59.790 --> 01:35:03.210
Yet last Thursday night at 10:45 PM,
01:35:03.210 --> 01:35:06.290
Leander ISD did just
that by choosing books
01:35:06.290 --> 01:35:08.530
in its curriculum for this coming year
01:35:08.530 --> 01:35:10.660
that are biased and racist to some
01:35:10.660 --> 01:35:12.800
people's races, color and even religion.
01:35:12.800 --> 01:35:14.040
Some of the dates of important
01:35:14.040 --> 01:35:16.980
events are also wrong and inaccurate.
01:35:16.980 --> 01:35:20.930
I know the state professionals
have governmental immunity.
01:35:20.930 --> 01:35:24.050
While ISDs also enjoy
immunity though broad,
01:35:24.050 --> 01:35:29.050
it is not absolute, citing 1978
T S C bar versus Bernard.*
01:35:30.950 --> 01:35:32.750
And while the State
of Texas professionals
01:35:32.750 --> 01:35:34.820
are not answerable to negligence
01:35:34.820 --> 01:35:36.810
while exercising government functions,
01:35:36.810 --> 01:35:38.720
I would argue that Leander ISD board
01:35:38.720 --> 01:35:42.460
is answerable when they
break the laws of Texas,
01:35:42.460 --> 01:35:45.010
while exercising governmental functions.
01:35:45.010 --> 01:35:48.270
I ask the State School
Board to hold Leander ISD
01:35:48.270 --> 01:35:50.193
accountable for their lawlessness.
01:35:54.400 --> 01:35:57.210
In 1923 the US Supreme
Court observed that parents
01:35:57.210 --> 01:35:59.414
have a constitutional
protected right to control
01:35:59.414 --> 01:36:01.530
their children's upbringing.
01:36:01.530 --> 01:36:02.760
Meyer v. Nebraska.
01:36:02.760 --> 01:36:07.760
However, it's extent in the
educational context is limited.
01:36:07.980 --> 01:36:09.730
While constitutional law generally does
01:36:09.730 --> 01:36:12.460
not support parents
right in public schooling,
01:36:12.460 --> 01:36:13.650
Texas statutory law
01:36:13.650 --> 01:36:16.400
provides significant
support for parents.
01:36:16.400 --> 01:36:18.200
Indeed, the first objective of the
01:36:18.200 --> 01:36:22.450
public education
system as specified in the
01:36:22.450 --> 01:36:26.763
State Education Code is that
parents will be full partners.
01:36:29.960 --> 01:36:31.710
Thank you sir. Any
clarifying questions from
01:36:31.710 --> 01:36:34.538
members I got Ms. Davis and Mr. Maynard
01:36:34.538 --> 01:36:35.470
I do. I think this
is more for staff.
01:36:35.470 --> 01:36:37.894
So, I just wanna clear
this cause they keep
01:36:37.894 --> 01:36:40.147
accusing on Leander of
doing something illegal,
01:36:40.147 --> 01:36:42.360
but the 3979 isn't even
effective as of right now.
01:36:42.360 --> 01:36:44.260
So, a vote in June
wouldn't have been illegal.
01:36:44.260 --> 01:36:46.110
I'll just wanna make clarity on that.
01:37:12.240 --> 01:37:13.900
I believe you are correct.
01:37:13.900 --> 01:37:17.130
Even though it had an
immediate effect of clause*,
01:37:17.130 --> 01:37:19.360
the certification of the
votes does not appear
01:37:19.360 --> 01:37:22.113
that received* two thirds
from both chambers.
01:37:23.290 --> 01:37:25.890
I think it's September
1 effective date.
01:37:25.890 --> 01:37:27.109
Thank you.
01:37:27.109 --> 01:37:29.350
So that's not an illegal
thing they're saying Leander.
01:37:29.350 --> 01:37:30.257
I just want to clear that up.
01:37:30.257 --> 01:37:32.807
The bill is not effective
yet. So that's correct.
01:37:37.231 --> 01:37:39.710
I'm just curious.
01:37:39.710 --> 01:37:43.102
I know that in our process,
01:37:43.102 --> 01:37:45.380
that any instruction materials we adopt
01:37:45.380 --> 01:37:47.560
have to be factually accurate.
01:37:47.560 --> 01:37:50.982
That's in the statute.
But does that not extend
01:37:50.982 --> 01:37:54.200
to if a School District adopts
01:37:54.200 --> 01:37:56.623
something locally that has not been
01:37:56.623 --> 01:37:58.010
vetted through the
State Board of Education,
01:37:58.010 --> 01:38:00.263
that still applies, does it not?
01:38:05.029 --> 01:38:06.420
I'd have to look that up.
01:38:06.420 --> 01:38:11.400
But I don't recall a statute
that imposes that on
01:38:11.400 --> 01:38:12.980
the School Districts.
01:38:12.980 --> 01:38:16.000
However, like reason would suggest,
01:38:16.000 --> 01:38:18.030
that if you're teaching the TEKS,
01:38:18.030 --> 01:38:20.730
you need to teach something
that's factually accurate.
01:38:22.780 --> 01:38:26.480
But the Instructional
materials adoption,
01:38:26.480 --> 01:38:27.740
in other words,
01:38:27.740 --> 01:38:30.030
we can reject something
is factually inaccurate,
01:38:30.030 --> 01:38:33.750
but if a School District
goes out on its own
01:38:33.750 --> 01:38:36.210
and adopts something
with that on its own,
01:38:36.210 --> 01:38:37.950
that does not necessarily apply.
01:38:37.950 --> 01:38:39.888
Is that what I'm hearing?
01:38:39.888 --> 01:38:41.190
I think that's
correct. Mr. Maynard.
01:38:41.190 --> 01:38:44.420
I don't think there's
anything in the statute that
01:38:44.420 --> 01:38:47.260
provides any parameters
for districts other than
01:38:47.260 --> 01:38:50.023
they have to certify that
they are covering all of
01:38:50.023 --> 01:38:51.430
the essential knowledge and skills.
01:38:51.430 --> 01:38:52.430
Alright very good.
01:38:55.360 --> 01:38:57.321
Thank you. Member
Davis' question is well-placed.
01:38:57.321 --> 01:39:02.321
But just a general question,
I think, for our legal staff.
01:39:02.907 --> 01:39:07.135
If a School District
is violating the law,
01:39:07.135 --> 01:39:11.330
is the TEA an enforcer or policemen,
01:39:11.330 --> 01:39:14.170
or would the public or parents?
01:39:14.170 --> 01:39:17.840
Who would enforce against a
01:39:17.840 --> 01:39:20.440
School District that's
violating the Education Code?
01:39:22.143 --> 01:39:27.143
So, I think it depends
on what the violation is.
01:39:30.585 --> 01:39:33.930
The agency does have
some jurisdiction as
01:39:33.930 --> 01:39:36.680
we had indicated before both through
01:39:36.680 --> 01:39:38.470
a grievance process there's an appeal to
01:39:38.470 --> 01:39:42.533
the Commissioner for
violation school laws of Texas.
01:39:43.419 --> 01:39:44.842
There's also a complaint process
01:39:44.842 --> 01:39:46.840
that can be filed with us.
01:39:46.840 --> 01:39:49.150
However, some of the allegations that
01:39:49.150 --> 01:39:52.500
were made were failure to respond
01:39:52.500 --> 01:39:55.610
appropriately to Public Information Act.
01:39:55.610 --> 01:39:58.420
Those are generally
handled by the AG's office
01:39:58.420 --> 01:39:59.930
and not by the agency.
01:39:59.930 --> 01:40:01.590
So, it depends on the thing.
01:40:01.590 --> 01:40:06.590
I would also need to tell you is like
01:40:08.080 --> 01:40:11.230
the Education Code
does not allow the agency
01:40:11.230 --> 01:40:14.000
to submit or to
substitute its judgment for
01:40:14.000 --> 01:40:15.760
that of a School Board
01:40:15.760 --> 01:40:17.600
as long as the School Board is operating
01:40:17.600 --> 01:40:19.370
within the bounds of the law.
01:40:19.370 --> 01:40:22.970
So that's how the
Education Code tries to
01:40:24.710 --> 01:40:27.103
maintain local control
while still having a
01:40:27.103 --> 01:40:28.823
regulatory process.
01:40:36.900 --> 01:40:37.870
Several years ago.
01:40:37.870 --> 01:40:42.240
Senate Bill 6 took the power
01:40:42.240 --> 01:40:44.090
away from the State
Board of Education of
01:40:44.090 --> 01:40:48.393
requiring every book
made a 100% of the TEKS.
01:40:50.010 --> 01:40:54.140
But it didn't say each book,
01:40:54.140 --> 01:40:55.610
you have to provide a 100%.
01:40:55.610 --> 01:40:57.880
In other words, if this human
01:40:57.880 --> 01:41:00.020
geography book is the only book
01:41:00.020 --> 01:41:03.410
that they're covering as their text,
01:41:03.410 --> 01:41:06.040
then it must meet a 100%.
01:41:06.040 --> 01:41:09.340
If they have this book
and something else,
01:41:09.340 --> 01:41:11.310
together can make up 100%.
01:41:11.310 --> 01:41:14.923
But my question is, who's checking this?
01:41:17.850 --> 01:41:20.460
So, the Education
Code requires every
01:41:20.460 --> 01:41:22.440
School District to annually submit a
01:41:22.440 --> 01:41:24.900
certification that they have materials
01:41:24.900 --> 01:41:28.520
that cover a 100% of the TEKS.
01:41:28.520 --> 01:41:31.807
I know that, but does
anyone ever do a followup*,
01:41:35.920 --> 01:41:38.020
an opportunity to say we would like to
01:41:38.020 --> 01:41:42.150
have that checked out?
01:41:42.150 --> 01:41:44.900
We don't have
authority Ms. Hardy to do
01:41:44.900 --> 01:41:46.283
that kind of monitoring.
01:41:47.327 --> 01:41:48.387
I know.
01:41:48.387 --> 01:41:49.663
I mean the district certifies,
01:41:50.778 --> 01:41:52.100
we take and maintain
record of that certification,
01:41:52.100 --> 01:41:53.890
but we don't have the authority to go
01:41:53.890 --> 01:41:57.300
to check and see if that is in.
01:41:57.300 --> 01:41:59.968
But from a legal
standpoint, the parents could
01:41:59.968 --> 01:42:02.633
have that checked, right?
01:42:06.459 --> 01:42:11.459
I'm not aware of the
standing issues like if they
01:42:11.730 --> 01:42:14.123
were to go to court and try to get that.
01:42:15.000 --> 01:42:17.400
If you're asking, could they ask
01:42:17.400 --> 01:42:19.521
a School District for the certification,
01:42:19.521 --> 01:42:21.071
that should be a public record.
01:42:22.050 --> 01:42:24.430
And the knowledge of all the books
01:42:25.321 --> 01:42:26.154
so that they could compare to,
01:42:26.154 --> 01:42:28.850
does the certification actually match
01:42:28.850 --> 01:42:32.210
with the web materials are being used?
01:42:32.210 --> 01:42:34.300
So, they could ask
for copies of the books,
01:42:34.300 --> 01:42:37.710
then they can find someone who certifies
01:42:37.710 --> 01:42:39.800
that it's teaching the TEKS.
01:42:39.800 --> 01:42:43.170
And then they would
have that information.
01:42:43.170 --> 01:42:45.250
And if they find that
that the School District
01:42:45.250 --> 01:42:47.670
has been untruthful, what would they be
01:42:47.670 --> 01:42:48.663
able to do then?
01:42:51.643 --> 01:42:54.185
I mean, you can file
a complaint with us
01:42:54.185 --> 01:42:59.185
if you've got the
justification in the materials,
01:42:59.860 --> 01:43:00.693
then like we would take that
01:43:00.693 --> 01:43:02.830
and then we would
call the School Districts
01:43:02.830 --> 01:43:05.540
and like, "Hey, we have this allegation.
01:43:05.540 --> 01:43:07.960
This is the facts that
were provided to us.
01:43:07.960 --> 01:43:09.307
What's your facts?"
01:43:11.250 --> 01:43:15.563
And then that would be
a violation as far as like,
01:43:17.169 --> 01:43:18.330
I just can't tell you the standing
01:43:18.330 --> 01:43:22.920
requirements of a district court,
01:43:22.920 --> 01:43:24.510
if they were to take that there.
01:43:24.510 --> 01:43:28.680
Now, if parents were alleging a criminal
01:43:28.680 --> 01:43:31.410
violation of something then they
01:43:31.410 --> 01:43:32.930
could potentially go to
01:43:32.930 --> 01:43:34.923
a District or County Attorney.
01:43:39.460 --> 01:43:41.930
Okay. Vaughn* you go on that
01:43:41.930 --> 01:43:44.030
question* just at the end there.
01:43:44.030 --> 01:43:49.030
A violation of law is
criminal offense, right?
01:43:50.120 --> 01:43:53.247
So you would follow it
with the local county D.A.
01:43:53.247 --> 01:43:58.247
Yeah. Not all violations
of law are criminal offenses.
01:43:59.810 --> 01:44:04.340
So that's why you do
have the regulatory body
01:44:04.340 --> 01:44:07.730
of the agency when you
look at pieces of the code
01:44:07.730 --> 01:44:12.460
where they don't carry
a criminal violation,
01:44:12.460 --> 01:44:15.630
so that you can have
some type of enforcement,
01:44:15.630 --> 01:44:20.270
but as I said Texas
relies on local control.
01:44:20.270 --> 01:44:24.070
So a lot of decisions are left to
01:44:24.070 --> 01:44:26.880
local school boards to
make those decisions
01:44:26.880 --> 01:44:30.410
and are expected to be handled locally.
01:44:30.410 --> 01:44:33.440
But there are some criminal violations
01:44:33.440 --> 01:44:36.000
that are established both
in the Education Code,
01:44:36.000 --> 01:44:39.020
as well as other codes of Texas.
01:44:39.020 --> 01:44:42.880
And we don't enforce
criminal violations.
01:44:42.880 --> 01:44:46.176
Those are enforced by
County and District Attorneys.
01:44:46.176 --> 01:44:49.248
And I may have missed some other folks
01:44:49.248 --> 01:44:51.165
that have jurisdiction.
01:44:57.410 --> 01:45:01.730
I think my question is for
possibly Shelly or Monica*,
01:45:01.730 --> 01:45:04.460
and it does not require
an immediate response
01:45:04.460 --> 01:45:05.720
because the two books,
01:45:05.720 --> 01:45:07.920
and I'm assuming these
are the only two books,
01:45:07.920 --> 01:45:10.530
because that's the
image on the document.
01:45:10.530 --> 01:45:12.000
Yes, sir. Thank you.
01:45:12.000 --> 01:45:13.800
The two books that are being referenced
01:45:13.800 --> 01:45:16.940
are Human Geography
by National Geographic,
01:45:16.940 --> 01:45:20.650
and Traditions &
Encounters by McGraw Hill.
01:45:20.650 --> 01:45:24.920
Are these books that the SBOE adopted?
01:45:24.920 --> 01:45:26.670
And so obviously that's not something
01:45:26.670 --> 01:45:27.560
you're gonna look up now,
01:45:27.560 --> 01:45:29.790
but at some point, if
you could please get back
01:45:29.790 --> 01:45:31.273
to us and let us know if these are books
01:45:31.273 --> 01:45:34.070
that we adopted at some point in time.
01:45:34.070 --> 01:45:34.903
Thank you.
01:45:34.903 --> 01:45:35.736
Yes ma'am.
01:45:38.360 --> 01:45:41.530
Okay. So, the books
in question are lower
01:45:41.530 --> 01:45:45.513
reading level and
therefore the AP reading.
01:45:46.350 --> 01:45:50.360
And as parents we
were not given the books
01:45:50.360 --> 01:45:52.170
or opportunity to look at the books
01:45:52.170 --> 01:45:57.170
until 2:45 Thursday and
the meeting is at 6:15.
01:45:58.470 --> 01:46:01.440
The opportunity to have a back and forth
01:46:01.440 --> 01:46:06.440
as I read this, "Parents
will be full partners."
01:46:06.630 --> 01:46:08.720
The Leander School District.
01:46:08.720 --> 01:46:10.080
I've never seen this before.
01:46:10.080 --> 01:46:13.770
I've been in the business of...
01:46:17.098 --> 01:46:17.931
Well, I can't really say.
01:46:17.931 --> 01:46:21.210
But I've never looked
up to school board before.
01:46:21.210 --> 01:46:23.220
And I've never seen
people act like this.
01:46:23.220 --> 01:46:25.090
The first time I ever went to a meeting,
01:46:25.090 --> 01:46:26.870
I thought I was at a sexual harassment
01:46:26.870 --> 01:46:28.740
and sexual assault seminar.
01:46:28.740 --> 01:46:30.930
And the parents that were coming up,
01:46:30.930 --> 01:46:32.670
were giving their testimonials.
01:46:32.670 --> 01:46:36.890
To which the board, they looked absent.
01:46:36.890 --> 01:46:38.440
Completely absent.
01:46:38.440 --> 01:46:41.210
And how that ties back to this book.
01:46:41.210 --> 01:46:43.103
There were a 100 people in that room.
01:46:44.210 --> 01:46:45.985
50 people spoke. 45
were against these books.
01:46:45.985 --> 01:46:49.080
Even though we only had two hours
01:46:49.080 --> 01:46:51.620
to look at them before the meeting.
01:46:51.620 --> 01:46:54.950
You have to sign up
by 5:30 to 6:00 to speak.
01:46:54.950 --> 01:46:58.920
That's a good majority
of people that spoke.
01:46:58.920 --> 01:47:01.522
Sir I need you to,
because of our parameters,
01:47:01.522 --> 01:47:04.160
you're able to answer her question
01:47:04.160 --> 01:47:07.940
regarding whether this
is an adopted SBOE book
01:47:07.940 --> 01:47:10.130
or something the
district, but I think we need
01:47:11.089 --> 01:47:12.286
to keep it to that.
01:47:12.286 --> 01:47:14.725
Sure. I don't
know if it was or not.
01:47:14.725 --> 01:47:17.580
We'll have staff
working on that.
01:47:17.580 --> 01:47:18.413
Mr. Cortez
01:47:20.580 --> 01:47:22.970
Maybe I missed
it with violations,
01:47:22.970 --> 01:47:25.040
and District Attorneys and Criminal Law,
01:47:25.040 --> 01:47:28.811
but it appears no law has been broken.
01:47:28.811 --> 01:47:31.740
Is there something
else that we need to be
01:47:31.740 --> 01:47:33.490
discussing? Am I missing something?
01:47:35.500 --> 01:47:39.320
If this behavior, or if it
turns out then they're
01:47:39.320 --> 01:47:41.403
SBOE books that are
adopted through our process,
01:47:41.403 --> 01:47:43.610
then I guess we're gonna have to
01:47:43.610 --> 01:47:45.223
revisit our entire process.
01:47:46.330 --> 01:47:48.963
If they're not, then it
seems like a moot point
01:47:48.963 --> 01:47:52.520
until this legislation goes into effect
01:47:52.520 --> 01:47:55.680
and if those practices are
still in place at that time.
01:47:55.680 --> 01:47:59.040
But today it seems
like everything's okay.
01:47:59.040 --> 01:48:02.514
Other than parents weren't given the
01:48:02.514 --> 01:48:07.514
opportunity to I guess,
be a part of this process.
01:48:07.930 --> 01:48:11.320
And that gets kind of
unfortunately drawn back
01:48:11.320 --> 01:48:12.704
to the local level.
01:48:12.704 --> 01:48:15.800
We talked about some
of those parameters.
01:48:15.800 --> 01:48:18.130
A grievance or
complaint with the agency.
01:48:18.130 --> 01:48:19.843
But am I missing something or?
01:48:21.649 --> 01:48:22.898
To clarify Mr. Cortez,
01:48:22.898 --> 01:48:24.849
you're asking your question to staff?
01:48:24.849 --> 01:48:27.540
I'm asking to you.
You're running the meeting.
01:48:27.540 --> 01:48:29.680
I mean, we're having an entire debate
01:48:29.680 --> 01:48:33.561
over something that just
from what I'm hearing,
01:48:33.561 --> 01:48:37.070
nothing illegal has taken place because
01:48:37.070 --> 01:48:39.400
this law doesn't take effect yet.
01:48:39.400 --> 01:48:40.350
For clarification
01:48:41.213 --> 01:48:43.267
Other than parents not
being involved in the process.
01:48:43.267 --> 01:48:46.050
And that they've been given by legal
01:48:46.050 --> 01:48:48.527
some avenues which is a grievance in
01:48:48.527 --> 01:48:50.313
the complaint with the agency.
01:48:51.890 --> 01:48:55.170
And now we're gonna investigate some
01:48:55.170 --> 01:48:57.970
of the books that at least we know of,
01:48:57.970 --> 01:48:59.510
to see if they're a part of our process
01:48:59.510 --> 01:49:02.684
and if it is, we've got some
stuff to deal with as well,
01:49:02.684 --> 01:49:04.041
and we'll know that later.
01:49:04.041 --> 01:49:08.283
But other than that, I think
we've discussed plenty.
01:49:10.500 --> 01:49:13.000
So, for clarification,
01:49:13.000 --> 01:49:14.620
we're not in a debate for this process.
01:49:14.620 --> 01:49:15.870
We're taking public testimony,
01:49:15.870 --> 01:49:18.710
we're appointing* time
or asking any clarification
01:49:18.710 --> 01:49:21.420
questions or directing
the testifiers to the
01:49:21.420 --> 01:49:23.050
appropriate staff
which I think we've been
01:49:23.050 --> 01:49:25.520
doing pretty well so far.
01:49:25.520 --> 01:49:29.470
I think your points taken.
We have discussed this.
01:49:29.470 --> 01:49:31.930
I don't think your
question raised anything
01:49:31.930 --> 01:49:34.160
from staff that really
probably hasn't already been
01:49:34.160 --> 01:49:36.510
answered unless I'm
hearing anything different.
01:49:37.433 --> 01:49:38.640
I think it's been addressed.
01:49:38.640 --> 01:49:41.210
And again, we're trying
to actually avoid a debate
01:49:41.210 --> 01:49:43.790
here because that's not
what we're posted for.
01:49:43.790 --> 01:49:47.720
So is there any further
questions from members relating
01:49:47.720 --> 01:49:49.323
to clarifying questions?
01:49:51.460 --> 01:49:53.042
Okay.
01:49:53.042 --> 01:49:54.786
So, then we thank you
01:49:54.786 --> 01:49:56.580
that that's the end of
the public comment.
01:49:56.580 --> 01:49:57.780
Yeah. Just to clarify.
01:49:57.780 --> 01:49:59.590
So the law was signed last week,
01:49:59.590 --> 01:50:01.740
but when does it exactly go into effect?
01:50:01.740 --> 01:50:04.090
September 1, 2021.
01:50:04.090 --> 01:50:05.721
So, in a few months.
01:50:05.721 --> 01:50:06.934
Correct.
01:50:06.934 --> 01:50:08.910
So, what happens when
these books that they approved,
01:50:08.910 --> 01:50:10.000
the law goes into effect?
01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:11.490
'Cause I bring that up only because
01:50:11.490 --> 01:50:13.130
it does affect with the books.
01:50:13.130 --> 01:50:17.640
They ran out of the
legal time they could use
01:50:17.640 --> 01:50:20.090
the old books.
01:50:20.090 --> 01:50:23.100
So, these new books are
the only ones they can use.
01:50:23.100 --> 01:50:24.854
Save* the question.
I think staff has
01:50:24.854 --> 01:50:26.231
outlined that as well as we can,
01:50:26.231 --> 01:50:30.030
what the legal process
is to your question.
01:50:30.030 --> 01:50:33.170
The law goes into effect September 1st.
01:50:33.170 --> 01:50:35.140
I know there's a lot
of information there.
01:50:35.140 --> 01:50:36.720
This meeting is being recorded.
01:50:36.720 --> 01:50:39.610
You can go back to it
and find the exact details
01:50:39.610 --> 01:50:42.000
of the process that's
been laid out by staff.
01:50:42.000 --> 01:50:44.450
But I think that's the
extent of what this body
01:50:44.450 --> 01:50:47.061
can do during this agenda item.
01:50:47.061 --> 01:50:49.910
So that being said, we
will close public testimony
01:50:49.910 --> 01:50:50.760
at this time.
01:50:50.760 --> 01:50:51.950
Thank you for your time.
01:50:51.950 --> 01:50:52.800
You're welcome.
01:50:56.110 --> 01:50:59.670
Okay, members, let's
take a brief five-minute break,
01:50:59.670 --> 01:51:02.843
as we move on to the
rest of our agenda items.
01:51:10.600 --> 01:51:13.100
Members we are going
to come back together here.
01:51:18.900 --> 01:51:20.200
My script back.
01:51:20.200 --> 01:51:22.210
We are, I believe, on item number two,
01:51:22.210 --> 01:51:25.040
which is the approval
of the Consent Agenda.
01:51:25.040 --> 01:51:27.200
So the next business in order is the
01:51:27.200 --> 01:51:30.487
approval of the Consent Agenda
01:51:30.487 --> 01:51:32.078
The Consent Agenda has been
01:51:32.078 --> 01:51:34.880
distributed to each of you.
01:51:34.880 --> 01:51:36.140
Take a moment to review the
01:51:36.140 --> 01:51:38.700
items on the Consent Agenda.
01:51:38.700 --> 01:51:41.150
And we currently have 15 items.
01:51:41.150 --> 01:51:43.018
Is there any members who
01:51:43.018 --> 01:51:44.368
would like to pull an item?
01:51:46.200 --> 01:51:48.540
Got Mr. Maynard first.
01:51:48.540 --> 01:51:51.528
Mr. Chairman, I believe
it's item number 11.
01:51:51.528 --> 01:51:53.560
Mr. Maynard was
asking to pull the selection
01:51:53.560 --> 01:51:55.160
of the State Board members,
01:51:55.160 --> 01:51:57.910
nominees for Statewide board positions.
01:51:57.910 --> 01:51:59.170
Are there any other members
01:51:59.170 --> 01:52:01.248
who would like to pull an item?
01:52:01.248 --> 01:52:02.570
You may have a moment
01:52:39.965 --> 01:52:41.290
And while I'm giving
Ms. Pérez just a moment.
01:52:41.290 --> 01:52:43.500
I'll make note that the item number 11
01:52:43.500 --> 01:52:45.740
was part of the PSF
agenda so we will take
01:52:45.740 --> 01:52:47.510
that up at a point in
time when we're going
01:52:47.510 --> 01:52:49.700
through the PSF items, not immediately.
01:52:49.700 --> 01:52:50.533
Ms. Davis.
01:52:50.533 --> 01:52:52.220
Number five.
01:52:52.220 --> 01:52:55.640
So, we have asked
request to pull ratification
01:52:55.640 --> 01:52:57.380
of the purchase and
sales of the investment
01:52:57.380 --> 01:52:59.140
portfolio, the Permanent School Fund for
01:52:59.140 --> 01:53:01.363
the months of March and April 2021.
01:53:03.520 --> 01:53:05.124
Do I go over these individually?
01:53:05.124 --> 01:53:06.069
No?*
01:53:06.069 --> 01:53:07.280
Okay.
01:53:07.280 --> 01:53:10.211
You know, still given just
a few more moments for
01:53:10.211 --> 01:53:14.993
everyone to look through
the Consent Agenda.
01:53:22.197 --> 01:53:23.280
Anything?
01:53:23.280 --> 01:53:25.060
I also would like
to pull a number 8.
01:53:26.060 --> 01:53:28.940
So we have review of
Permanent School Fund,
01:53:28.940 --> 01:53:32.173
Real Estate Class, Real
Estate Policy and Tactical Plan.
01:53:33.590 --> 01:53:36.050
Alright. And I wanna give
everyone plenty of time to
01:53:37.044 --> 01:53:38.424
make sure we're good. Okay.
01:53:38.424 --> 01:53:40.352
So we will as our
parliamentarian notice,
01:53:40.352 --> 01:53:41.716
those just at the request of one
01:53:41.716 --> 01:53:42.810
member will be pulled off.
01:53:42.810 --> 01:53:44.760
I believe all three of those
are PSF related items.
01:53:44.760 --> 01:53:47.272
So we will take those
up at the point in the
01:53:47.272 --> 01:53:49.943
agenda when we are at PSF.
01:53:52.920 --> 01:53:54.170
Mr. Hickman.
01:53:54.170 --> 01:53:55.990
Could we also pull 15?
01:53:55.990 --> 01:53:58.330
I just have a question
for staff on that one.
01:53:58.330 --> 01:54:02.580
So 15 is the approval
of 2021 to 2025 rule
01:54:02.580 --> 01:54:05.340
review plan for State
Board of Education rules.
01:54:05.340 --> 01:54:07.604
Yes. We will pull that off.
01:54:07.604 --> 01:54:10.180
When would be the appropriate agenda?
01:54:10.180 --> 01:54:12.218
School initiatives.
01:54:12.218 --> 01:54:13.523
So that's school initiatives.
01:54:13.523 --> 01:54:15.096
And I'm gonna have
to get staff down here.
01:54:15.096 --> 01:54:16.010
They are not in the room right now.
01:54:16.010 --> 01:54:17.083
So, let me work on.
01:54:20.003 --> 01:54:22.877
It's simple, you
can probably answer.
01:54:22.877 --> 01:54:23.794
Oh, okay.
01:54:30.698 --> 01:54:32.550
There is a simple clarifying
question you want to ask?
01:54:32.550 --> 01:54:34.300
We could leave that on the consent.
01:54:37.880 --> 01:54:41.907
The question is if we
want to make a change
01:54:41.907 --> 01:54:45.680
to one of the rules, how do we do that?
01:54:45.680 --> 01:54:48.453
Do we work with staff?
01:54:53.540 --> 01:54:54.373
Yeah.
01:54:54.373 --> 01:54:55.970
Your board operating procedures go
01:54:55.970 --> 01:55:00.630
through requesting something
to be put on the agenda.
01:55:00.630 --> 01:55:05.630
Generally, the Board
Chair determines agendas,
01:55:06.530 --> 01:55:08.890
and then each Committee
Chair determines agendas.
01:55:08.890 --> 01:55:11.740
So, if you wanna make
a request for something
01:55:11.740 --> 01:55:12.910
to be put on an agenda,
01:55:12.910 --> 01:55:15.950
you would make a
request of one of those two,
01:55:15.950 --> 01:55:19.110
that has the jurisdiction over whatever
01:55:19.110 --> 01:55:21.400
rule you're wanting to look at.
01:55:21.400 --> 01:55:23.750
And if this fails, you can
always make a motion
01:55:25.170 --> 01:55:27.170
before the Full Board
to request something
01:55:27.170 --> 01:55:29.230
be put on a future agenda.
01:55:29.230 --> 01:55:30.560
Okay. That covered.
01:55:30.560 --> 01:55:32.040
We can leave it on the consent.
01:55:32.040 --> 01:55:33.240
Mr. Chairman. Thank you.
01:55:37.960 --> 01:55:39.050
Are there any other items
01:55:39.050 --> 01:55:40.883
that members would like to pull off?
01:55:42.740 --> 01:55:44.470
Alright. Hearing none, the remainder of
01:55:44.470 --> 01:55:46.453
the Consent Agenda is adopted.
01:55:48.580 --> 01:55:50.760
Alright. So, we will now
move to item number 3,
01:55:50.760 --> 01:55:53.160
which is the committee
of the Full Board.
01:55:53.160 --> 01:55:56.300
This has* proposed
new 19 TAC Chapter 112,
01:55:56.300 --> 01:55:59.110
Texas Essential Knowledge
and Skills for Science.
01:55:59.110 --> 01:56:04.030
Subchapter C. High School.
112.47 through 112.51.
01:56:04.030 --> 01:56:06.150
This is for second
reading and final adoption.
01:56:06.150 --> 01:56:07.990
This is on your agenda on page I-4.
01:56:08.950 --> 01:56:11.583
And is there any discussion from staff?
01:56:15.210 --> 01:56:16.470
I think we're good.
01:56:16.470 --> 01:56:18.280
Okay. So, we will open this item
01:56:18.280 --> 01:56:19.870
up for discussion among members.
01:56:19.870 --> 01:56:21.193
Is there any discussion?
01:56:28.452 --> 01:56:29.664
Okay.
01:56:29.664 --> 01:56:30.876
No.
01:56:30.876 --> 01:56:32.311
Alright. I'm gonna
call on Ms. Little
01:56:32.311 --> 01:56:34.180
to make the first of the motions.
01:56:34.180 --> 01:56:37.490
Mr. Chair, I move that
the committee of Full Board
01:56:37.490 --> 01:56:39.520
recommends that the
State Board of Education
01:56:39.520 --> 01:56:42.330
postpone further
consideration of proposed
01:56:42.330 --> 01:56:45.513
new 19 TAC Chapter 112,
01:56:46.979 --> 01:56:49.229
Texas Essential Knowledge
and Skills for Science
01:56:49.229 --> 01:56:50.062
Lost her.
01:56:50.062 --> 01:56:52.497
Subchapter C 112.47-112.51,
01:56:52.497 --> 01:56:57.497
to the September SBOE meeting.
01:56:59.740 --> 01:57:00.573
Second.
01:57:01.468 --> 01:57:04.186
Alright. We have a
motion and a second,
01:57:04.186 --> 01:57:06.460
to postpone further
consideration of this
01:57:06.460 --> 01:57:09.410
item to the September SBOE meeting.
01:57:09.410 --> 01:57:11.920
Is there further we discuss this?
01:57:11.920 --> 01:57:14.310
On our previous agenda,
earlier in the week.
01:57:14.310 --> 01:57:16.460
Is there some more
discussion on this item?
01:57:27.540 --> 01:57:29.900
So we're at now, is
that the current motion
01:57:29.900 --> 01:57:33.807
on the floor is to postpone the science
01:57:33.807 --> 01:57:35.770
of the four high school courses
01:57:35.770 --> 01:57:37.240
to the September meeting.
01:57:37.240 --> 01:57:42.240
So as we discussed
the other day in this item,
01:57:42.340 --> 01:57:44.609
is that there was a discussion to
01:57:44.609 --> 01:57:45.500
move it forward to September.
01:57:45.500 --> 01:57:48.970
Is there any debate on that process?
01:57:48.970 --> 01:57:50.550
Ms. Hardy?
01:57:50.550 --> 01:57:54.110
I would simply say that
from my expert reviewer,
01:57:54.110 --> 01:57:57.473
and from another of
the expert reviewers,
01:57:58.520 --> 01:58:02.908
who said that they
would like to see it go.
01:58:02.908 --> 01:58:07.540
That would have been
final reading this time.
01:58:07.540 --> 01:58:10.853
And that we'd go ahead and
approve these four electives.
01:58:10.853 --> 01:58:15.280
My desire was to let the Energy Council,
01:58:15.280 --> 01:58:18.883
it was just a few words, and
they did their thing correctly,
01:58:21.198 --> 01:58:22.467
to send it ahead of time.
01:58:22.467 --> 01:58:25.020
And then there were just
simple things to be corrected.
01:58:25.020 --> 01:58:26.490
I've been through this process
01:58:26.490 --> 01:58:29.610
several times with the science.
01:58:29.610 --> 01:58:33.690
And what happens is
it just keeps adding on.
01:58:33.690 --> 01:58:36.617
I think Monica said
to us a long time ago,
01:58:36.617 --> 01:58:39.240
"If you give people another chance,
01:58:39.240 --> 01:58:41.270
they'll take it and you end
up with more and more."
01:58:41.270 --> 01:58:45.720
So I think that what's most
important for us to do in
01:58:47.039 --> 01:58:51.190
September is a really clean K through 8,
01:58:51.190 --> 01:58:53.946
vertically aligned well
developed science.
01:58:53.946 --> 01:58:58.670
And I think that these elective courses,
01:58:58.670 --> 01:58:59.690
while they're important,
01:58:59.690 --> 01:59:03.673
are not the same as the core
courses that all the kids take.
01:59:04.540 --> 01:59:07.793
While I would have liked to
have had the Energy Council,
01:59:09.269 --> 01:59:14.140
I think they had four or
five recommendations.
01:59:14.140 --> 01:59:16.218
While I rather would have
01:59:16.218 --> 01:59:17.070
liked to have had them do that,
01:59:17.070 --> 01:59:20.300
I understand that if
I open it up to that,
01:59:20.300 --> 01:59:23.137
then we open it up to keeping the four
01:59:27.954 --> 01:59:29.730
courses moving until
September for approval.
01:59:29.730 --> 01:59:32.282
So, I personally would
rather see us stop debate
01:59:32.282 --> 01:59:36.483
on the four elective courses,
01:59:38.232 --> 01:59:39.377
and go ahead and approve them
01:59:39.377 --> 01:59:40.949
even though I'm not gonna get
01:59:40.949 --> 01:59:44.326
those four or five
words into the program.
01:59:44.326 --> 01:59:47.080
Another thing that our expert reviewers,
01:59:47.080 --> 01:59:48.540
the two I talked to said,
01:59:48.540 --> 01:59:51.220
was that many of the people who
01:59:51.220 --> 01:59:55.510
worked on the TCL staff*
were in the committees.
01:59:55.510 --> 01:59:57.810
They were on the work committees.
01:59:57.810 --> 01:59:59.600
A great number of them were.
01:59:59.600 --> 02:00:04.600
And the two questioned why they didn't
02:00:04.940 --> 02:00:08.730
say something at the
time and stop it then.
02:00:08.730 --> 02:00:10.560
Why keep putting it off?
02:00:10.560 --> 02:00:13.390
And they had the
time in the interim time
02:00:13.390 --> 02:00:18.080
when the TEA put it on
for public view and so forth
02:00:18.080 --> 02:00:21.498
that they could've made
the changes or concerns
02:00:21.498 --> 02:00:23.440
made known. And they didn't.
02:00:23.440 --> 02:00:27.500
So, they felt like that they
weren't as significant as
02:00:28.509 --> 02:00:30.570
they had made them out to be.
02:00:30.570 --> 02:00:34.203
So, I would vote to go ahead
and make this second reading.
02:00:35.430 --> 02:00:37.290
I would point to
us into the process.
02:00:37.290 --> 02:00:41.450
We have a very thorough
process in our TEKS review.
02:00:41.450 --> 02:00:43.890
It takes a big document even to outline
02:00:43.890 --> 02:00:45.380
the whole process that we go through.
02:00:45.380 --> 02:00:49.150
And we followed this throughout that.
02:00:49.150 --> 02:00:52.400
Many times as we've had
debates about other issues,
02:00:52.400 --> 02:00:54.850
there's points made back and forth about
02:00:54.850 --> 02:00:56.170
listening to our educators.
02:00:56.170 --> 02:00:59.150
Well, honestly, we do have a group
02:00:59.150 --> 02:01:01.830
of educators that
represent one organization,
02:01:01.830 --> 02:01:05.350
but we've had groups of educators from
02:01:05.350 --> 02:01:07.010
many others who have expressed
02:01:07.010 --> 02:01:09.537
concerns that we are
at a good place with this.
02:01:09.537 --> 02:01:14.340
And not to mention all
the work of our work groups
02:01:14.340 --> 02:01:16.100
throughout this entire process.
02:01:16.100 --> 02:01:17.770
Our work groups have
done a tremendous work.
02:01:17.770 --> 02:01:19.147
I'm very appreciative of this.
02:01:19.147 --> 02:01:20.650
And this is the point where
02:01:20.650 --> 02:01:23.330
our work groups have gotten us to.
02:01:23.330 --> 02:01:25.790
It's my understanding
from staff that they have
02:01:25.790 --> 02:01:29.510
had no contact from the
work groups themselves,
02:01:29.510 --> 02:01:31.893
that further consideration
needs to take place,
02:01:31.893 --> 02:01:35.900
that the work groups
feel we're in a good place.
02:01:35.900 --> 02:01:37.760
So again, as you'll hear me,
02:01:37.760 --> 02:01:38.870
not for the first time ever,
02:01:38.870 --> 02:01:41.430
talk about process and
how important that is,
02:01:41.430 --> 02:01:42.263
Ms. Hardy.
02:01:43.750 --> 02:01:46.200
Another of the groups
that was not represented
02:01:46.200 --> 02:01:48.350
here is a very important
group of science
02:01:48.350 --> 02:01:50.273
teachers is STAT.
02:01:51.380 --> 02:01:53.590
And the reason they
weren't here was because
02:01:53.590 --> 02:01:56.340
they were satisfied with
those four core courses,
02:01:56.340 --> 02:01:57.280
as they were.
02:01:58.151 --> 02:01:59.068
Mr. Chair
02:02:01.440 --> 02:02:02.273
Mr. Cortez.
02:02:02.273 --> 02:02:04.238
Yeah. And I would
just wanna add,
02:02:04.238 --> 02:02:07.300
and wanna echo that final
statement member Hardy
02:02:07.300 --> 02:02:09.780
made is that I was told the same thing,
02:02:09.780 --> 02:02:14.620
that they were happy with
what we had as presented.
02:02:14.620 --> 02:02:16.610
And so, if that's the will of the board,
02:02:16.610 --> 02:02:20.770
then I'm all too happy to approve.
02:02:20.770 --> 02:02:21.740
So, for clarification
02:02:21.740 --> 02:02:22.920
that's presented
02:02:22.920 --> 02:02:26.320
For clarification
what we in front of us
02:02:26.320 --> 02:02:30.000
with emotion currently
on the floor, is to postpone.
02:02:30.000 --> 02:02:34.410
So, if what I'm hearing
from member Cortez,
02:02:34.410 --> 02:02:37.170
member Hardy, that if
that was the will of the body,
02:02:37.170 --> 02:02:39.743
this motion would need
to be Defeated
02:02:41.433 --> 02:02:42.820
defeated. And then
we could take up another
02:02:44.925 --> 02:02:46.190
motion to adopt the
other four high school
02:02:46.190 --> 02:02:49.110
courses at second
rating and final adoption.
02:02:49.110 --> 02:02:51.131
So that's what's on the floor.
02:02:51.131 --> 02:02:54.080
Mr. Maynard,
02:02:54.080 --> 02:02:55.930
Mr. Chairman, I guess,
part of the tree inquiry*.
02:02:55.930 --> 02:02:59.780
And so I guess that motion to recommend
02:03:01.299 --> 02:03:02.716
was already made,
02:03:03.694 --> 02:03:06.000
and that there's actually a
pending motion to amend.
02:03:06.000 --> 02:03:07.900
So when it comes back,
02:03:07.900 --> 02:03:09.450
is that pending motion to amend?
02:03:09.450 --> 02:03:10.863
Is that what's there?
02:03:12.070 --> 02:03:15.290
Mr. Chairman, if I
may interject here,
02:03:15.290 --> 02:03:18.560
I will point out that there is
a pending motion to amend
02:03:18.560 --> 02:03:21.010
that was made by the
committee of the Full Board.
02:03:21.010 --> 02:03:24.460
This however, is a meeting
of the State Board of Education
02:03:24.460 --> 02:03:29.370
who has before it only
a motion to postpone.
02:03:29.370 --> 02:03:32.400
Should that motion to
postpone be defeated,
02:03:32.400 --> 02:03:35.140
there would be no motion on the floor,
02:03:35.140 --> 02:03:37.750
and it would be open to another member,
02:03:37.750 --> 02:03:41.723
making a motion either to
adopt on second reading,
02:03:43.999 --> 02:03:45.245
which was the staff recommendation,
02:03:45.245 --> 02:03:47.195
or to take up amendments at that point.
02:03:49.413 --> 02:03:52.420
I would just maybe
ask for clarification of
02:03:52.420 --> 02:03:54.832
member Cortez, member
Hardy, who has been part
02:03:54.832 --> 02:03:57.210
of this discussion of the intent of
02:03:57.210 --> 02:04:00.930
these members if
this motion is defeated.
02:04:00.930 --> 02:04:04.463
Is there an intent to take
up additional amendments?
02:04:07.890 --> 02:04:08.723
No, sir.
02:04:09.750 --> 02:04:10.583
Okay.
02:04:11.681 --> 02:04:13.373
My understanding is that
we're gonna accept it as is.
02:04:15.665 --> 02:04:18.483
Okay. Alright. Any other
discussion on this motion?
02:04:20.350 --> 02:04:21.490
Dr. Johnson
02:04:22.780 --> 02:04:24.369
Just so I'll
understand the process.
02:04:24.369 --> 02:04:29.369
We can postpone, we
can elect to move forward.
02:04:32.978 --> 02:04:35.540
If we postpone, we can add amendments
02:04:35.540 --> 02:04:39.073
in the September meeting to
those that she brought forward.
02:04:40.020 --> 02:04:42.690
If we go back to work
groups or pass that,
02:04:42.690 --> 02:04:44.340
we blew up the whole schedule.
02:04:44.340 --> 02:04:45.590
Correct.
02:04:45.590 --> 02:04:49.570
Okay. Okay. I was just to
making sure I was seeing it.
02:04:49.570 --> 02:04:51.970
Dr. Bell mineral*.
02:04:51.970 --> 02:04:55.670
I appreciate member
Johnson's question
02:04:55.670 --> 02:04:56.982
because as a new member,
02:04:56.982 --> 02:05:01.143
it's a little bit difficult to
understand the procedure.
02:05:01.143 --> 02:05:05.713
I do not wanna blow
up the whole calendar,
02:05:06.670 --> 02:05:09.393
that I'm absolutely on board with.
02:05:11.120 --> 02:05:15.983
And I do not want to consider
extensive amendments.
02:05:17.960 --> 02:05:22.960
But I do know that I have
heard from a number of people,
02:05:24.190 --> 02:05:29.190
that there are a few key
elements that are problematic,
02:05:31.130 --> 02:05:33.140
and that there's some issues
02:05:38.043 --> 02:05:38.876
with alignment between the K through 8
02:05:38.876 --> 02:05:41.300
and the high school requirements.
02:05:41.300 --> 02:05:45.580
So that there are small
issues but they are important.
02:05:45.580 --> 02:05:49.790
So, I don't know the best
way to deal with those,
02:05:49.790 --> 02:05:54.710
or for us all to understand
what those issues are.
02:05:54.710 --> 02:05:59.040
And I think that science has advanced
02:05:59.040 --> 02:06:02.253
so much in this area in recent years,
02:06:03.243 --> 02:06:05.950
and it is such an important issue.
02:06:05.950 --> 02:06:10.950
Although the class on
climate science is an elective,
02:06:11.180 --> 02:06:13.910
I think it's an elective
that more and more
02:06:13.910 --> 02:06:16.620
students are going to want to take
02:06:16.620 --> 02:06:19.555
as they see half of the United States
02:06:19.555 --> 02:06:24.555
burning to a crisp, floods,
record temperatures.
02:06:24.850 --> 02:06:26.380
We live on a hotter planet
02:06:26.380 --> 02:06:29.346
than humans have
ever lived on right now.
02:06:29.346 --> 02:06:32.580
Humans have never lived on a planet that
02:06:35.534 --> 02:06:37.453
has as high a temperature
as the earth has now.
02:06:37.453 --> 02:06:41.170
At any rate, I would like for us to
02:06:41.170 --> 02:06:46.170
delay this process until
our September meeting,
02:06:47.340 --> 02:06:50.400
and then finish it then, accept whatever
02:06:50.400 --> 02:06:54.287
goes through, and whatever is accepted.
02:06:54.287 --> 02:06:59.287
But I would rather
get it right and have a
02:07:01.390 --> 02:07:05.920
small bump in the road
of the usual procedure,
02:07:05.920 --> 02:07:10.760
than just say, "Oh well,
it's too much trouble to
02:07:11.989 --> 02:07:13.130
take the time for the
future of our children,
02:07:13.130 --> 02:07:17.705
our grandchildren and
really an existential threat
02:07:17.705 --> 02:07:20.807
to survival of life on the planet."
02:07:21.667 --> 02:07:24.932
Even if I'm in the
minority, and it's futile,
02:07:24.932 --> 02:07:28.863
that is what I would like to do.
02:07:32.667 --> 02:07:35.078
I know there's been
discussion about what to do,
02:07:35.078 --> 02:07:40.078
and I think that there's a consensus of
02:07:40.207 --> 02:07:43.757
"Well, oh well, let's just
accept it the way it is."
02:07:44.680 --> 02:07:45.653
That's my view.
02:07:46.949 --> 02:07:48.116
Mr Chairman.
02:07:49.533 --> 02:07:51.865
Yes. Mr. Hickman, let
me make one statement
02:07:51.865 --> 02:07:53.110
and then I'll recognize you for that.
02:07:53.110 --> 02:07:53.980
I would just point out
that I don't think anyone
02:07:55.459 --> 02:07:56.530
on this board feels that
it's too much time to take
02:07:57.757 --> 02:07:58.653
for the future of our
children or grandchildren.
02:07:58.653 --> 02:08:00.710
I think the point that's
been being made,
02:08:00.710 --> 02:08:05.677
is that we've taken that time
to work through the process.
02:08:05.677 --> 02:08:07.280
Mr. Hickman, before I recognize you,
02:08:07.280 --> 02:08:09.825
is it okay if I take one more question?
02:08:09.825 --> 02:08:13.100
Ms. Hardy I just
wanna say that what
02:08:13.100 --> 02:08:15.290
we're talking about right here and now,
02:08:15.290 --> 02:08:17.690
is only the four elective courses.
02:08:17.690 --> 02:08:22.690
It is not the high school
required foundational courses.
02:08:26.322 --> 02:08:27.155
And the K through 8
has to align with that.
02:08:30.043 --> 02:08:30.876
Yeah. And the K through
8 needs to align with that.
02:08:32.949 --> 02:08:34.110
So, it really wouldn't make
that difference anyway.
02:08:34.110 --> 02:08:35.290
I think we're ready
to take the vote.
02:08:35.290 --> 02:08:38.660
Is there anyone who
has any further debate?
02:08:38.660 --> 02:08:42.563
So seeing none, I want to
clarify what we're voting on here.
02:08:44.402 --> 02:08:48.500
A vote in favor would
be to postpone this to
02:08:50.715 --> 02:08:52.351
our September meeting,
02:08:52.351 --> 02:08:55.490
with no further action by work groups.
02:08:55.490 --> 02:08:59.910
Just to postpone it to
the September meeting.
02:08:59.910 --> 02:09:03.630
A vote opposed would
just defeat this motion,
02:09:03.630 --> 02:09:05.499
and allow another
motion to be presented.
02:09:05.499 --> 02:09:07.122
Any questions on that?
02:09:07.122 --> 02:09:08.374
Mr. Cortez.
02:09:08.374 --> 02:09:10.936
Just for clarification.
02:09:10.936 --> 02:09:12.863
So, I guess if we start
getting a flurry of motions,
02:09:16.236 --> 02:09:18.560
after this vote, then
I'm probably gonna be
02:09:21.567 --> 02:09:22.463
prepared to offer up a
significant number of changes.
02:09:26.260 --> 02:09:28.301
If that's what happens after this vote.
02:09:28.301 --> 02:09:29.606
My parliamentarian
can chime in.
02:09:29.606 --> 02:09:31.531
So normally you can't go back to an item
02:09:31.531 --> 02:09:32.686
that's already been defeated,
02:09:32.686 --> 02:09:33.760
but I think that might
have changed it enough
02:09:33.760 --> 02:09:36.110
in our process where
you could bring back this
02:09:36.110 --> 02:09:37.467
motion to postpone,
02:09:37.467 --> 02:09:41.393
if something other than
what we've discussed here,
02:09:43.006 --> 02:09:44.132
because that would be a change.
02:09:44.132 --> 02:09:45.838
Do you see what I'm saying?
02:09:45.838 --> 02:09:46.671
That if there began a flare debates,
02:09:46.671 --> 02:09:48.424
I believe you would be allowed to
02:09:48.424 --> 02:09:49.386
defeat those and bring back this motion.
02:09:49.386 --> 02:09:50.547
Because that would have been something
02:09:50.547 --> 02:09:53.020
substantially different than where we're
02:09:53.020 --> 02:09:54.200
at right now.
02:09:54.200 --> 02:09:56.260
So we would be allowed
to take this action again?
02:09:56.260 --> 02:09:59.290
I'm sorry. Not be allowed.
02:09:59.290 --> 02:10:02.430
We would. If there has
been progress in the debates,
02:10:02.430 --> 02:10:05.620
such as many other motions
being brought forward,
02:10:05.620 --> 02:10:08.500
which would be get to your hands.
02:10:08.500 --> 02:10:09.576
Okay, good.
02:10:09.576 --> 02:10:12.870
So again, favor of yes, is to
02:10:12.870 --> 02:10:15.480
postpone this to our September meeting.
02:10:15.480 --> 02:10:18.480
So, I'll ask all those
in favor of this motion,
02:10:18.480 --> 02:10:20.453
show yes, by raising your hand.
02:10:29.280 --> 02:10:30.380
Did we get our online?
02:10:38.390 --> 02:10:42.816
Ms. Pérez and Mr. Allen,
are you voting on? Okay.
02:10:42.816 --> 02:10:43.940
So, we have six in the affirmative.
02:10:43.940 --> 02:10:45.823
All those opposed, by the same sign.
02:10:54.220 --> 02:10:55.520
Okay. Alright.
02:10:55.520 --> 02:10:58.060
So, in a vote of six in the affirmative,
02:10:58.060 --> 02:11:00.973
eight against this motion is defeated.
02:11:02.050 --> 02:11:06.300
So now we would be
open for another motion.
02:11:06.300 --> 02:11:07.143
Mr. Cortez.
02:11:08.060 --> 02:11:11.194
I would move at the
State Board of Education
02:11:11.194 --> 02:11:15.070
approve as is, for
second reading and final
02:11:15.070 --> 02:11:19.200
adoption proposed 19 TAC Chapter 112
02:11:19.200 --> 02:11:21.470
Texas Essential Knowledge
and Skills for Science
02:11:21.470 --> 02:11:26.470
Subchapter C High School,
112.46 implementation of
02:11:27.170 --> 02:11:30.370
Texas Essential Knowledge
of Skills for Science
02:11:30.370 --> 02:11:34.300
High School adopted 2021 112.47 Aquatic
02:11:34.300 --> 02:11:35.697
Science adopted 2021, 1 Credit
02:11:35.697 --> 02:11:38.406
112.48, Astronomy adopted 2021, 1 Credit
02:11:38.406 --> 02:11:42.757
112.49 or Science Systems
adopted 2021, 1 Credit
02:11:42.757 --> 02:11:47.757
112.50 Environmental
Systems adopted 2021, 1 Credit.
02:11:49.349 --> 02:11:50.182
And 112.51 Specialized Topics in Science
02:11:50.182 --> 02:11:54.667
adopted 2021, 1 Credit.
02:11:54.667 --> 02:11:58.871
And make an affirmative
finding that immediate adoption of
02:11:58.871 --> 02:12:03.871
the proposed new 19 TAC Chapter 112,
02:12:06.306 --> 02:12:11.306
Texas Essential Knowledge
and Skills for Science Subchapter
02:12:12.190 --> 02:12:14.990
C High School, 112.46
02:12:14.990 --> 02:12:17.620
Implementation of Texas
Essential Knowledge.
02:12:17.620 --> 02:12:20.867
and Skills for Science
High School adopted 2021
02:12:20.867 --> 02:12:25.840
112.47. Aquatic Science
adopted 2021 1 Credit
02:12:25.840 --> 02:12:30.250
112.48. Astronomy adopted 2021 1 Credit
02:12:30.250 --> 02:12:35.250
112.49. Earth Science
Systems adopted 2021 1 Credit
02:12:35.490 --> 02:12:40.490
112.50 Environmental
Systems adopted 2021, 1 Credit
02:12:41.413 --> 02:12:45.550
and 112.51 Specialized Topics in Science
02:12:45.550 --> 02:12:48.080
adopted 2021 1 Credit
02:12:48.080 --> 02:12:50.750
is necessary and shall
have an effective date of
02:12:50.750 --> 02:12:55.750
20 days after filing as adopted
with the Texas Registrar.
02:12:56.118 --> 02:12:57.040
I second
02:12:57.040 --> 02:12:59.546
Alright, we have
a motion to second.
02:12:59.546 --> 02:13:01.263
Is there a further debate on this item?
02:13:05.530 --> 02:13:06.600
Alright.
02:13:06.600 --> 02:13:09.933
My understanding it's
a two thirds vote on this.
02:13:11.140 --> 02:13:13.500
So, where we're at
now, for clarification.
02:13:13.500 --> 02:13:16.810
We are back to where
we were with the staff
02:13:16.810 --> 02:13:20.241
recommendations that
we came into the meeting.
02:13:20.241 --> 02:13:23.290
First time second
reading and final adoption
02:13:23.290 --> 02:13:25.170
with the document that
has been presented to
02:13:25.170 --> 02:13:27.200
us from the work groups.
02:13:27.200 --> 02:13:31.110
And it will take a two
thirds majority for this vote.
02:13:31.110 --> 02:13:32.642
Parliamentary inquiry,
why is it a two thirds vote?
02:13:32.642 --> 02:13:34.752
Yeah, the two thirds is
necessary for it to take effect
02:13:34.752 --> 02:13:39.752
for this school year.
02:13:40.520 --> 02:13:41.700
Otherwise it's adopted,
02:13:41.700 --> 02:13:43.603
but it will take effect the following.
02:13:44.480 --> 02:13:47.280
So, if we pass
it with a majority,
02:13:47.280 --> 02:13:48.930
would that be a different motion?
02:13:52.770 --> 02:13:54.860
I believe you're
doing this in one motion.
02:13:54.860 --> 02:13:57.076
If it passes with the
majority, it's still adopted,
02:13:57.076 --> 02:14:01.033
but it just will not have
immediate effective date.
02:14:03.840 --> 02:14:05.757
But I'm looking at our
parliamentarian to see if
02:14:05.757 --> 02:14:06.763
that's true.
02:14:13.875 --> 02:14:18.875
I would actually believe
that I would not agree with that,
02:14:18.980 --> 02:14:23.980
because part of the motion is
the effective date of 20 days.
02:14:24.600 --> 02:14:26.750
So, if this motion is defeated,
02:14:26.750 --> 02:14:29.260
it could be re-offered again,
02:14:29.260 --> 02:14:31.296
without the second paragraph,
02:14:31.296 --> 02:14:34.180
the "make an affirmative finding" part.
02:14:34.180 --> 02:14:36.120
There it would take a majority,
02:14:36.120 --> 02:14:38.523
and then it would have
a later effective date.
02:14:42.607 --> 02:14:45.107
Is that clear for everybody?
02:14:47.239 --> 02:14:49.530
Dr. Bell-Metereau.
02:14:49.530 --> 02:14:52.310
Could you just go
over that one more time?
02:14:52.310 --> 02:14:54.310
I'm sorry. I'm just...
02:14:58.230 --> 02:15:01.383
Yes. Ma'am. This is a
motion in two paragraphs.
02:15:02.853 --> 02:15:07.350
And it's that way on the
website where it produces this.
02:15:07.350 --> 02:15:10.360
And so, the first paragraph says,
02:15:10.360 --> 02:15:14.340
we're gonna prove it for second
reading and final adoption.
02:15:14.340 --> 02:15:17.100
And the second paragraph says,
02:15:17.100 --> 02:15:20.828
we're going to make
an affirmative finding that
02:15:20.828 --> 02:15:23.000
immediate adoption is required.
02:15:23.000 --> 02:15:25.720
And to do that immediate
adoption which would
02:15:25.720 --> 02:15:28.393
put this in effect this school year,
02:15:29.480 --> 02:15:31.163
takes a two thirds vote.
02:15:32.500 --> 02:15:35.650
If the motion does
not achieve two thirds,
02:15:35.650 --> 02:15:38.200
but does achieve a majority,
02:15:38.200 --> 02:15:43.200
it could be removed with
just the first paragraph,
02:15:44.300 --> 02:15:45.520
which would then mean
02:15:45.520 --> 02:15:49.080
that it would be
effective at a later date.
02:15:49.080 --> 02:15:53.230
It would not be effective
20 days after filing is
02:15:53.230 --> 02:15:56.090
adopted with the Texas register.
02:15:56.090 --> 02:15:56.923
Chairman
02:15:56.923 --> 02:15:58.580
Yes
02:15:58.580 --> 02:16:00.727
I am probably gonna
muddy the waters here,
02:16:00.727 --> 02:16:02.748
but I do need to add some clarification.
02:16:02.748 --> 02:16:05.775
There is a difference
between the effective date,
02:16:05.775 --> 02:16:07.736
and the implementation date.
02:16:07.736 --> 02:16:11.700
The effective date is when
the rule becomes effective.
02:16:11.700 --> 02:16:15.090
That means it's published
and people can see it.
02:16:15.090 --> 02:16:16.990
But if you look at Roman numeral I-IX,
02:16:18.030 --> 02:16:20.576
you've got language indicating that the
02:16:20.576 --> 02:16:24.175
implementation would
be the 24/25 school year.
02:16:24.175 --> 02:16:26.030
The reason that we do that,
02:16:26.030 --> 02:16:30.610
is so that we have time to
communicate changes to the field,
02:16:30.610 --> 02:16:31.773
provide professional development,
02:16:31.773 --> 02:16:35.010
you have time to adopt
instructional materials
02:16:35.010 --> 02:16:37.000
with these new
standards being effective.
02:16:37.000 --> 02:16:39.050
So they will live side by side,
02:16:39.050 --> 02:16:41.430
with the existing core standards
02:16:41.430 --> 02:16:44.614
until the 24/25 school year.
02:16:44.614 --> 02:16:49.160
If you don't have the
immediate effective date,
02:16:49.160 --> 02:16:52.410
then that means that this
rule is out there as adopted,
02:16:52.410 --> 02:16:54.497
not yet effective, and
nothing can happen
02:16:54.497 --> 02:16:58.523
to that rule until it becomes effective.
02:17:00.030 --> 02:17:04.910
So, I don't want for folks
to be of the understanding
02:17:04.910 --> 02:17:08.620
that these revised courses
would be implemented
02:17:08.620 --> 02:17:12.497
in 21/22 because of that is not correct.
02:17:12.497 --> 02:17:17.497
So, if I could try to condense
what Monica has said there.
02:17:20.390 --> 02:17:23.650
If you pass this, even with
immediate effective date,
02:17:23.650 --> 02:17:27.090
the course isn't going in until 24/25,
02:17:27.090 --> 02:17:29.490
but if you don't do an
immediate effective date,
02:17:29.490 --> 02:17:31.903
you won't be able to
modify this for a year.
02:17:33.120 --> 02:17:34.900
Because it won't be effective yet.
02:17:34.900 --> 02:17:38.753
And you can only take up
rules that are currently in effect.
02:17:45.580 --> 02:17:46.413
Got all that?
02:17:47.360 --> 02:17:48.193
Okay. Thank you.
02:17:49.470 --> 02:17:51.580
Okay. So, the
motion still stands,
02:17:51.580 --> 02:17:54.136
that it would take a two thirds majority
02:17:54.136 --> 02:17:54.969
for immediate effective date.
02:17:56.077 --> 02:17:58.850
So at this point in
time, we have a motion,
02:17:58.850 --> 02:18:01.810
we have a second,
we've had the discussion.
02:18:01.810 --> 02:18:05.153
I would ask all those in favor
show by raising your hand.
02:18:14.760 --> 02:18:16.510
All those opposed by the same sign.
02:18:18.846 --> 02:18:20.217
There are 14 in favor, and 0 opposed,
02:18:20.217 --> 02:18:22.183
and the motion is adopted.
02:18:26.040 --> 02:18:28.180
Alright, we will now
move to item number 4,
02:18:28.180 --> 02:18:30.740
which is consideration of the
Commissioner of Education's
02:18:30.740 --> 02:18:33.730
Generation 26 Open-Enrollment
Charter School Proposals.
02:18:33.730 --> 02:18:38.730
This is on page I-36 of your agenda.
02:18:38.870 --> 02:18:40.970
And let me take just a
minute or two break here,
02:18:40.970 --> 02:18:43.310
just to make sure we
have our motions in order,
02:18:43.310 --> 02:18:44.710
and have that squared away.
02:19:26.570 --> 02:19:29.960
What were taking up now is
the seven recommendations,
02:19:29.960 --> 02:19:32.490
that were made by the
Committee of the Full Board.
02:19:32.490 --> 02:19:33.998
They were not all the
same recommendations.
02:19:33.998 --> 02:19:35.677
Some were recommendations
to take no action,
02:19:35.677 --> 02:19:38.000
and some were recommendations to veto.
02:19:38.000 --> 02:19:41.410
We will take them up
as they were approved
02:19:41.410 --> 02:19:43.350
by the Committee of the Full Board.
02:19:43.350 --> 02:19:46.920
If those receive the
same affirmative vote,
02:19:46.920 --> 02:19:49.050
as we did in the
Committee of the Full Board,
02:19:49.050 --> 02:19:51.610
in other words, if nothing changes,
02:19:51.610 --> 02:19:53.800
then as we go each one,
02:19:53.800 --> 02:19:58.030
that will finish that particular vote.
02:19:58.030 --> 02:20:02.990
If there is a different vote
than what was recommended
02:20:02.990 --> 02:20:04.010
in the Committee of the Full Board,
02:20:04.010 --> 02:20:06.199
then like we did the other day,
02:20:06.199 --> 02:20:08.399
we'll take the opposite
side of that motion.
02:20:09.380 --> 02:20:10.213
Mr. Cortez.
02:20:12.695 --> 02:20:13.930
Mr. Chair, I guess
before we begin.
02:20:13.930 --> 02:20:16.040
A lot's been said during testimony
02:20:16.040 --> 02:20:21.040
and during the interviews
with the charter groups.
02:20:21.395 --> 02:20:25.370
And I had a lot of things
that I didn't wanna say,
02:20:25.370 --> 02:20:27.220
but I'm not even gonna talk about that
02:20:27.220 --> 02:20:28.772
as we go, one by one.
02:20:28.772 --> 02:20:31.770
What I do wanna say is that
02:20:31.770 --> 02:20:34.940
I learned late yesterday
and this morning,
02:20:34.940 --> 02:20:39.030
that some of the votes
in this body might change
02:20:39.030 --> 02:20:41.130
as a result of the
Governor's Office reaching
02:20:41.130 --> 02:20:43.553
out to members on this board.
02:20:46.140 --> 02:20:48.300
I don't know why the
Governor is so interested
02:20:48.300 --> 02:20:51.370
in these charter businesses,
but I am very disappointed.
02:20:51.370 --> 02:20:56.370
Governor Abbott may
think he runs the legislature,
02:20:56.770 --> 02:21:00.043
but he does not run the
State Board of Education.
02:21:00.917 --> 02:21:04.050
If these charters are approved,
02:21:04.050 --> 02:21:08.640
I want everyone to know
that this is about power,
02:21:08.640 --> 02:21:10.451
not about children.
02:21:10.451 --> 02:21:14.760
I respect each and every
one of my colleagues,
02:21:14.760 --> 02:21:17.190
we disagree at times.
02:21:17.190 --> 02:21:19.340
But I sincerely hope that
you vote your conscience
02:21:19.340 --> 02:21:23.230
and not buckle under the
pressure of the Governor
02:21:23.230 --> 02:21:27.370
who clearly thinks some of
us in this room work for him.
02:21:27.370 --> 02:21:30.040
We don't. We work for kids.
02:21:30.040 --> 02:21:31.320
And I'll remind all of you again.
02:21:31.320 --> 02:21:32.760
We work for children,
02:21:32.760 --> 02:21:35.683
not for the Governor
of the State of Texas.
02:21:35.683 --> 02:21:36.920
So, having said that,
02:21:36.920 --> 02:21:39.360
I will vote my conscience
on those seven.
02:21:39.360 --> 02:21:42.640
And that's the last you'll
hear from me on this topic.
02:21:42.640 --> 02:21:43.610
Thank you, Mr. Cortez.
02:21:43.610 --> 02:21:45.045
I do wanna point out
02:21:45.045 --> 02:21:46.110
that I've been very
involved in this process,
02:21:46.110 --> 02:21:47.830
and I think from my perspective,
02:21:47.830 --> 02:21:50.046
and I've been very involved with this,
02:21:50.046 --> 02:21:51.033
those allegations are not accurate.
02:21:52.750 --> 02:21:54.540
Dr. Bell-Metereau.
02:21:54.540 --> 02:21:58.250
I just want to ask if
the votes are going to be
02:21:58.250 --> 02:22:00.861
the same as the votes we took before.
02:22:00.861 --> 02:22:04.338
It was a very confusing voting process.
02:22:04.338 --> 02:22:07.093
It will be the same confusion.
02:22:07.093 --> 02:22:09.360
I will go very slow
through the process.
02:22:09.360 --> 02:22:11.872
We wanna make sure that everyone
02:22:11.872 --> 02:22:13.770
votes with a full understanding.
02:22:13.770 --> 02:22:16.900
They will be the same
as came out of committee,
02:22:16.900 --> 02:22:19.040
but I will go through
each one individually,
02:22:19.040 --> 02:22:20.200
and make sure everyone
02:22:20.200 --> 02:22:23.370
is fully aware of what each individual.
02:22:23.370 --> 02:22:25.294
'Cause they will be
a little bit different.
02:22:25.294 --> 02:22:27.040
'Cause we have different coming out.
02:22:27.040 --> 02:22:32.040
Because sometimes it
was vote no, if you were for it,
02:22:35.157 --> 02:22:39.762
and then yes, if you were not for it.
02:22:39.762 --> 02:22:42.050
And so... We'll
be very clear on it.
02:22:42.050 --> 02:22:43.540
Okay. Thank you.
02:22:43.540 --> 02:22:45.537
You'll spell it out like,
02:22:45.537 --> 02:22:48.600
"This means you want this school."
02:22:48.600 --> 02:22:50.500
I'll make sure. Yes.
02:22:50.500 --> 02:22:52.479
Alright. Any other
comments from members?
02:22:52.479 --> 02:22:55.184
Okay. I'm gonna call on Ms. Little.
02:22:55.184 --> 02:22:57.832
Mr. Chair the Committee
of the Full Board
02:22:57.832 --> 02:23:01.733
recommends that the
State Board of Education,
02:23:01.733 --> 02:23:06.733
take no action on the
Commissioner of Education's
02:23:07.960 --> 02:23:12.350
Generation 26 open-enrollment
charter school proposal for
02:23:12.350 --> 02:23:16.410
Essence Preparatory
Charter School, in San Antonio.
02:23:16.410 --> 02:23:19.470
Okay. Is there any
further debate on this item?
02:23:19.470 --> 02:23:23.040
So this is a charter that was voted
02:23:23.040 --> 02:23:25.662
by the Committee of the
Full Board to take no action.
02:23:25.662 --> 02:23:28.760
What that practically means
is it would be approved.
02:23:28.760 --> 02:23:33.760
So a vote in this case of
yes, would be to affirm that,
02:23:34.586 --> 02:23:37.810
and a vote of yes would
approve the charter,
02:23:37.810 --> 02:23:42.430
and a vote of no, would
be the opposite of that.
02:23:42.430 --> 02:23:44.770
Ms. Davis did that answer your question?
02:23:44.770 --> 02:23:47.755
No, I wanted to
have discussion.
02:23:47.755 --> 02:23:48.643
Okay.
02:23:48.643 --> 02:23:50.587
Oh, I just wanted to speak
in support of Essence Prep.
02:23:50.587 --> 02:23:52.460
I think they had a great application.
02:23:52.460 --> 02:23:54.760
Everything was very transparent.
02:23:54.760 --> 02:23:55.850
They were very honest,
02:23:55.850 --> 02:23:57.200
they've been in the community,
02:23:57.200 --> 02:23:59.610
and I think they have a great plan.
02:23:59.610 --> 02:24:01.370
They wanna make
sure they stay right there
02:24:01.370 --> 02:24:04.440
and they serve the communities
that they know very well.
02:24:04.440 --> 02:24:06.240
So I would like to speak in support.
02:24:07.319 --> 02:24:08.864
Any further debate?
02:24:08.864 --> 02:24:11.196
Do you need a
second on this motion?
02:24:11.196 --> 02:24:13.522
No Ma'am, they come
from the committee
02:24:13.522 --> 02:24:15.272
and don't require a second*
02:24:15.272 --> 02:24:16.500
Any further debate on this one.
02:24:16.500 --> 02:24:18.557
So we were ready to take the vote
02:24:18.557 --> 02:24:20.081
and I'll remind one more time.
02:24:20.081 --> 02:24:23.380
A vote of yes, is for the
charter to be approved.
02:24:23.380 --> 02:24:24.213
Mr. Chair.
02:24:25.150 --> 02:24:25.983
Yes. Ma'am
02:24:26.840 --> 02:24:28.101
May I roll call now?*
02:24:28.101 --> 02:24:29.313
You may roll call.
02:24:29.313 --> 02:24:30.603
Can I ask you to call
a roll call on each one?
02:24:31.558 --> 02:24:32.391
I'd love to say that*
02:24:32.391 --> 02:24:34.510
Yes. So that's your
intent for each one?
02:24:34.510 --> 02:24:36.530
Okay. So a roll call
vote has been requested
02:24:36.530 --> 02:24:40.430
for each and every one of
those, and that will be accepted.
02:24:40.430 --> 02:24:43.420
So I'll call on Ms.
Martinez to call the roll.
02:24:43.420 --> 02:24:44.900
Ms. Perez.
02:24:44.900 --> 02:24:45.733
No.
02:24:48.454 --> 02:24:49.331
Mr. Cortez.
02:24:49.331 --> 02:24:50.164
No.
02:24:51.114 --> 02:24:52.008
Ms. Pérez-Díaz.
02:24:52.008 --> 02:24:52.841
Yes.
02:24:54.630 --> 02:24:56.000
Mr. Allen.
02:24:56.000 --> 02:24:56.833
Yes.
02:24:57.700 --> 02:24:59.110
Dr. Bell-Metereau.
02:24:59.110 --> 02:25:00.370
Yes.
02:25:00.370 --> 02:25:01.441
Mr. Hickman.
02:25:01.441 --> 02:25:03.103
Yes.
02:25:05.088 --> 02:25:06.860
Dr. Robinson.
02:25:06.860 --> 02:25:07.693
No.
02:25:08.750 --> 02:25:10.138
Dr. Young.
02:25:10.138 --> 02:25:11.283
Yes.
02:25:13.140 --> 02:25:14.220
Mr. Maynard.
02:25:14.220 --> 02:25:15.780
Yes.
02:25:15.780 --> 02:25:16.720
Ms. Hardy.
02:25:16.720 --> 02:25:18.250
Yes.
02:25:18.250 --> 02:25:19.120
Mrs. Little.
02:25:19.120 --> 02:25:20.140
Yes.
02:25:20.140 --> 02:25:21.060
Ms. Davis.
02:25:21.060 --> 02:25:22.090
Yes.
02:25:22.090 --> 02:25:23.808
Mrs. Melton-Malone.
02:25:23.808 --> 02:25:24.843
Yes.
02:25:24.843 --> 02:25:26.771
Dr. Johnson.
02:25:26.771 --> 02:25:27.604
Yes.
02:25:30.810 --> 02:25:33.383
I have 11 in favor
and three opposed.
02:25:34.670 --> 02:25:37.210
Okay. So there is a majority in favor
02:25:37.210 --> 02:25:39.840
in the recommendation is adopted,
02:25:39.840 --> 02:25:43.120
which will allow Essence
Preparatory Charter School
02:25:43.120 --> 02:25:44.033
to move forward.
02:25:46.410 --> 02:25:48.320
Alright. Ms. Little
02:25:51.130 --> 02:25:53.700
Mr. Chair, the Committee
of the Full Board recommends
02:25:53.700 --> 02:25:56.550
that the State Board of Education veto,
02:25:56.550 --> 02:25:57.645
the Commissioner of Education's
02:25:57.645 --> 02:25:59.226
Generation 26 open-enrollment
02:25:59.226 --> 02:26:01.336
charter school proposal
02:26:01.336 --> 02:26:04.803
for Heritage Classical
Academy in Houston.
02:26:06.640 --> 02:26:08.000
Alright, members,
02:26:08.000 --> 02:26:10.020
is there any further
debate on this item?
02:26:10.020 --> 02:26:11.600
Mr. Hickman?
02:26:11.600 --> 02:26:13.120
Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
02:26:13.120 --> 02:26:14.810
Like a number of these in Houston,
02:26:14.810 --> 02:26:18.650
some of them are
bordering on my district
02:26:18.650 --> 02:26:19.770
and member Allen's district,
02:26:19.770 --> 02:26:22.603
but I'll just speak in favor,
this is definitely innovative.
02:26:22.603 --> 02:26:24.820
I'm not aware of any
other public schools
02:26:24.820 --> 02:26:26.896
in the area offering a classical.
02:26:26.896 --> 02:26:29.920
So for parents and children interested
02:26:29.920 --> 02:26:30.990
in that sort of curriculum,
02:26:30.990 --> 02:26:33.923
this is for me an innovative approach.
02:26:37.330 --> 02:26:40.130
Any other members have
any further debate on this one?
02:26:41.820 --> 02:26:44.390
Okay. So for clarification on this one,
02:26:44.390 --> 02:26:47.210
the recommendation of the
Committee of the Full Board,
02:26:47.210 --> 02:26:48.513
was to veto this charter.
02:26:49.900 --> 02:26:53.420
So in an affirmative yes vote here,
02:26:53.420 --> 02:26:55.580
will be the opposite of your last vote.
02:26:55.580 --> 02:26:57.403
It will be to veto this charter.
02:26:58.760 --> 02:27:00.980
So for clarification, that yes vote
02:27:00.980 --> 02:27:04.653
is to veto Heritage Classical Academy.
02:27:05.600 --> 02:27:07.500
Are we ready or any further questions?
02:27:08.440 --> 02:27:11.270
Ms. Martinez, will
you please call the roll?
02:27:11.270 --> 02:27:12.560
Ms. Perez.
02:27:12.560 --> 02:27:13.530
Yes.
02:27:13.530 --> 02:27:15.142
Mr. Cortez.
02:27:15.142 --> 02:27:16.129
Yes.
02:27:16.129 --> 02:27:17.214
Ms. Pérez-Díaz.
02:27:17.214 --> 02:27:18.669
Yes.
02:27:18.669 --> 02:27:20.144
Mr. Allen.
02:27:20.144 --> 02:27:21.183
Yes.
02:27:22.290 --> 02:27:23.630
Dr. Bell-Metereau.
02:27:23.630 --> 02:27:24.463
Yes.
02:27:25.328 --> 02:27:28.280
Mr. Hickman.
02:27:28.280 --> 02:27:29.419
No.
02:27:29.419 --> 02:27:31.016
Dr. Robinson.
02:27:31.016 --> 02:27:31.849
Yes.
02:27:32.860 --> 02:27:33.820
Dr. Young.
02:27:33.820 --> 02:27:35.544
No.
02:27:35.544 --> 02:27:37.140
Mr. Maynard.
02:27:37.140 --> 02:27:38.253
No.
02:27:38.253 --> 02:27:40.130
Ms. Hardy.
02:27:40.130 --> 02:27:40.963
No.
02:27:42.087 --> 02:27:45.042
Mrs. Little.
02:27:45.042 --> 02:27:46.063
No.
02:27:47.350 --> 02:27:48.200
Ms. Davis.
02:27:48.200 --> 02:27:49.810
Yes.
02:27:49.810 --> 02:27:50.984
Mrs. Melton-Malone.
02:27:50.984 --> 02:27:52.289
No.
02:27:52.289 --> 02:27:54.031
Dr. Johnson.
02:27:54.031 --> 02:27:54.864
Yes.
02:27:59.950 --> 02:28:02.609
Eight votes in favor,
and six opposed?
02:28:02.609 --> 02:28:03.938
Yes, sir.
02:28:03.938 --> 02:28:06.773
So the motion carries.
02:28:08.161 --> 02:28:10.567
There is a majority in favor
02:28:10.567 --> 02:28:12.563
and the recommendation is adopted.
02:28:13.515 --> 02:28:14.348
The motion carries,
02:28:14.348 --> 02:28:17.273
which is a veto of Heritage
Classical Academy.
02:28:20.200 --> 02:28:21.033
Ms. Little.
02:28:22.773 --> 02:28:26.030
Mr. Chair, the Committee
of the Full Board recommends
02:28:26.030 --> 02:28:26.958
that the State Board of Education veto
02:28:26.958 --> 02:28:30.150
the Commissioner of Education's
02:28:30.150 --> 02:28:33.660
Generation 26 open-enrollment
charter school proposal
02:28:33.660 --> 02:28:36.003
for the Justice Hub in Houston.
02:28:37.270 --> 02:28:39.570
Aright members,
further debate on this item.
02:28:41.760 --> 02:28:44.320
This will be the exact same
vote as the previous one.
02:28:44.320 --> 02:28:47.610
That a yes vote, an affirmative vote,
02:28:47.610 --> 02:28:50.180
would be to carry forth
the recommendation
02:28:50.180 --> 02:28:51.720
of the Committee of the Full Board,
02:28:51.720 --> 02:28:55.390
which was to veto the
Justice Hub from Houston.
02:28:55.390 --> 02:28:58.560
So a yes vote is to confirm the veto.
02:28:58.560 --> 02:28:59.960
Any questions on that?
02:29:01.330 --> 02:29:04.370
Ms. Martinez, would
you please call the roll?
02:29:04.370 --> 02:29:05.770
Ms. Perez.
02:29:05.770 --> 02:29:06.890
Yes.
02:29:06.890 --> 02:29:08.110
Mr. Cortez.
02:29:08.110 --> 02:29:09.260
Yes.
02:29:09.260 --> 02:29:10.320
Ms. Pérez-Díaz.
02:29:10.320 --> 02:29:11.440
Yes.
02:29:11.440 --> 02:29:13.041
Mr. Allen.
02:29:13.041 --> 02:29:14.670
Yes.
02:29:14.670 --> 02:29:16.103
Dr. Bell-Metereau.
02:29:16.103 --> 02:29:17.494
Yes.
02:29:17.494 --> 02:29:20.070
Mr. Hickman.
02:29:20.070 --> 02:29:21.204
No.
02:29:21.204 --> 02:29:23.000
Dr. Robinson.
02:29:23.000 --> 02:29:24.286
Yes.
02:29:24.286 --> 02:29:25.909
Dr. Young.
02:29:25.909 --> 02:29:27.544
Yes.
02:29:27.544 --> 02:29:30.030
Mr. Maynard.
02:29:30.030 --> 02:29:31.630
Yes.
02:29:31.630 --> 02:29:32.750
Ms. Hardy.
02:29:32.750 --> 02:29:33.887
Yes.
02:29:33.887 --> 02:29:35.201
Mrs. Little.
02:29:35.201 --> 02:29:36.034
Yes.
02:29:37.040 --> 02:29:37.890
Ms. Davis.
02:29:37.890 --> 02:29:38.723
Yes.
02:29:42.380 --> 02:29:43.660
Mrs. Melton-Malone.
02:29:43.660 --> 02:29:45.140
Yes.
02:29:45.140 --> 02:29:46.626
Dr. Johnson.
02:29:46.626 --> 02:29:47.459
Yes
02:29:51.800 --> 02:29:54.963
13 In favor and one opposed.
02:29:56.770 --> 02:29:58.680
So there is a majority in favor
02:29:58.680 --> 02:30:01.620
in the recommendation is adopted,
02:30:01.620 --> 02:30:04.973
which will continue the veto
of the Justice Hub of Houston.
02:30:06.067 --> 02:30:07.234
Perfect. Okay.
02:30:09.130 --> 02:30:09.963
Ms. Little.
02:30:12.210 --> 02:30:14.620
Mr. Chair, the Committee
of the Full Board recommends
02:30:14.620 --> 02:30:17.050
that the State Board
of Education veto
02:30:17.050 --> 02:30:19.890
the Commissioner of
Education's Generation 26
02:30:19.890 --> 02:30:22.490
open-enrollment charter school proposal
02:30:22.490 --> 02:30:26.640
for Red Brick Academy
Charter School in Houston.
02:30:26.640 --> 02:30:29.390
Members is there any
further discussion on this item?
02:30:31.550 --> 02:30:33.863
So we have the same
procedure as the last two.
02:30:35.210 --> 02:30:39.070
A yes, affirmative vote,
would confirm the veto
02:30:39.070 --> 02:30:40.760
of the Committee of the Full Board.
02:30:40.760 --> 02:30:43.890
A yes vote, is for a veto.
02:30:43.890 --> 02:30:46.123
Ms. Martinez, would
you please call the roll?
02:30:48.726 --> 02:30:51.714
Ms. Perez.
02:30:51.714 --> 02:30:53.460
Yes.
02:30:53.460 --> 02:30:54.293
Mr. Cortez.
02:30:54.293 --> 02:30:55.126
Yes.
02:30:56.000 --> 02:30:57.497
Ms. Pérez-Díaz.
02:30:57.497 --> 02:30:59.360
Yes.
02:30:59.360 --> 02:31:00.393
Mr. Allen.
02:31:01.240 --> 02:31:02.350
Yes.
02:31:02.350 --> 02:31:04.020
Dr. Bell-Metereau.
02:31:04.020 --> 02:31:06.050
Yes.
02:31:06.050 --> 02:31:07.816
Mr. Hickman.
02:31:07.816 --> 02:31:08.773
Yes.
02:31:12.550 --> 02:31:13.740
Dr. Robinson.
02:31:13.740 --> 02:31:14.573
Yes.
02:31:16.070 --> 02:31:17.240
Dr. Young.
02:31:17.240 --> 02:31:18.073
Yes.
02:31:19.500 --> 02:31:21.590
Mr. Maynard.
02:31:21.590 --> 02:31:22.423
No.
02:31:23.820 --> 02:31:24.930
Ms. Hardy.
02:31:24.930 --> 02:31:25.763
Yes.
02:31:26.900 --> 02:31:27.980
Mrs. Little.
02:31:27.980 --> 02:31:29.532
No.
02:31:29.532 --> 02:31:31.123
Ms. Davis.
02:31:31.123 --> 02:31:36.123
Yes to veto.
Correct. Yes to veto.
02:31:38.870 --> 02:31:40.429
Mrs. Melton-Malone.
02:31:40.429 --> 02:31:41.650
Yes.
02:31:41.650 --> 02:31:42.779
Dr. Johnson.
02:31:42.779 --> 02:31:43.612
Yes.
02:31:46.923 --> 02:31:49.823
12 and favor and two against.
02:31:51.980 --> 02:31:54.950
So there is a majority in favor
02:31:54.950 --> 02:31:57.129
and the recommendation is adopted,
02:31:57.129 --> 02:31:58.360
which is to veto
02:31:58.360 --> 02:32:00.760
the Red Brick Academy
Charter School of Houston.
02:32:02.330 --> 02:32:03.163
Ms. Little.
02:32:04.410 --> 02:32:07.137
Mr. Chair, the Committee
of the Full Board recommends
02:32:07.137 --> 02:32:07.970
that the State Board of Education
02:32:07.970 --> 02:32:10.130
take no action on the Commissioner of
02:32:10.130 --> 02:32:13.260
Education's Generation
26 open-enrollment
02:32:13.260 --> 02:32:14.870
charter school proposal,
02:32:14.870 --> 02:32:17.683
for Rocketship Public
Schools in Fort Worth.
02:32:19.420 --> 02:32:22.020
Members, any further
discussion on this item?
02:32:22.020 --> 02:32:22.853
Ms. Davis?
02:32:24.000 --> 02:32:26.520
Yes. I wanted to
address some of the things
02:32:26.520 --> 02:32:28.773
that were said when we voted previously.
02:32:29.779 --> 02:32:31.800
One thing that was said was that
02:32:31.800 --> 02:32:34.820
there are no other choices in that area.
02:32:34.820 --> 02:32:36.570
But there are four schools
02:32:36.570 --> 02:32:39.683
within five minutes of
the proposed location.
02:32:40.520 --> 02:32:42.500
So for us to think that
02:32:42.500 --> 02:32:44.981
either they go to the ISD
or nowhere, that's not true.
02:32:44.981 --> 02:32:49.593
There are plenty of Uplifts
and Trinity Basins and IDEAs,
02:32:50.566 --> 02:32:52.152
and other smaller campuses,
02:32:52.152 --> 02:32:55.070
right there just a couple of
minutes away from the building.
02:32:55.070 --> 02:32:56.890
Another thing was that it was said
02:32:56.890 --> 02:32:58.750
that all elected officials approved.
02:32:58.750 --> 02:33:01.260
We know that member Cortez said
02:33:01.260 --> 02:33:03.870
he identified one immediately.
02:33:03.870 --> 02:33:05.210
But I spent the night calling
02:33:05.210 --> 02:33:07.540
elected officials in that area.
02:33:07.540 --> 02:33:11.410
And the three words they
use to describe what happened,
02:33:11.410 --> 02:33:13.920
was that their community
members were used,
02:33:13.920 --> 02:33:15.823
manipulated and exploited.
02:33:17.060 --> 02:33:19.290
And I don't think we
should get into the practice
02:33:19.290 --> 02:33:22.390
of having charter applicants
come with some of the most
02:33:24.028 --> 02:33:25.060
disenfranchised people
in our communities,
02:33:25.060 --> 02:33:28.150
to try to get guilt into
passing the charter.
02:33:28.150 --> 02:33:31.550
We all know there was nothing
about that academic plan,
02:33:31.550 --> 02:33:33.480
that would make the
changes and bring the hope
02:33:33.480 --> 02:33:35.330
that those community members deserve.
02:33:36.170 --> 02:33:38.480
There were three things
that they said were innovative.
02:33:38.480 --> 02:33:42.150
Three. One was students
would rotate through classes.
02:33:42.150 --> 02:33:44.610
That already happens in Fort Worth.
02:33:44.610 --> 02:33:46.740
Two, it said weekly
coaching for teachers.
02:33:46.740 --> 02:33:49.190
That already happens in Fort Worth.
02:33:49.190 --> 02:33:51.030
Three was annual home visits.
02:33:51.030 --> 02:33:52.750
That already happens in Fort Worth.
02:33:52.750 --> 02:33:55.480
There was absolutely nothing innovative.
02:33:55.480 --> 02:33:57.210
We didn't have any
other charter applicants
02:33:57.210 --> 02:33:59.220
who are that manipulative,
02:33:59.220 --> 02:34:01.570
who lied to us for two years.
02:34:01.570 --> 02:34:03.840
And it's beyond me how anyone
can say they trust anybody,
02:34:03.840 --> 02:34:07.393
when everything they told
us has been broken apart.
02:34:08.870 --> 02:34:11.890
They already have a building
that's paid for and opens up on
02:34:11.890 --> 02:34:13.500
July 1st.
02:34:13.500 --> 02:34:15.360
So they're depending
on knowing that you all
02:34:15.360 --> 02:34:17.350
are gonna step in line
with what they need.
02:34:17.350 --> 02:34:19.810
But I don't wanna be the
board that finally caved in,
02:34:19.810 --> 02:34:23.360
when so many other boards
were strong enough to say no.
02:34:23.360 --> 02:34:25.110
And so I'm asking you,
02:34:25.110 --> 02:34:28.383
if you want to help the people Stop 6,
02:34:29.490 --> 02:34:31.800
this is not the answer.
02:34:31.800 --> 02:34:33.260
And to say, "Well, we'll negotiate.
02:34:33.260 --> 02:34:35.990
We'll allow this charter to open."
02:34:35.990 --> 02:34:37.640
If you just keep it at Stop 6
02:34:37.640 --> 02:34:40.160
and keep it out of the rural
communities around it."
02:34:40.160 --> 02:34:43.033
That's telling me you don't
really believe in that charter.
02:34:43.870 --> 02:34:45.360
But you believe in it enough
02:34:45.360 --> 02:34:48.410
to put it in a community that hurts.
02:34:48.410 --> 02:34:52.240
And to say, "Well, when
they fail, you know, oh, well."
02:34:52.240 --> 02:34:54.560
When they fail, that
means those children
02:34:54.560 --> 02:34:56.860
have been in a failing school.
02:34:56.860 --> 02:34:58.630
And now you have the neighborhood school
02:34:58.630 --> 02:34:59.793
that has to figure out,
02:35:00.830 --> 02:35:03.380
"How do we get these students
back to that grade level?"
02:35:03.380 --> 02:35:06.580
So to say, "Just let them
open up and just let them fail,"
02:35:06.580 --> 02:35:10.690
that means you're letting
that community fail even more.
02:35:10.690 --> 02:35:11.893
So it's not about the community.
02:35:11.893 --> 02:35:15.063
It's not about the people who
were up here asking for hope.
02:35:16.520 --> 02:35:19.613
And what I've done. I reached
out to Fort Worth ISD as well.
02:35:20.700 --> 02:35:23.223
We heard people say there
were no family supports.
02:35:24.588 --> 02:35:27.080
There're family supports,
bilingual supports, jobs supports.
02:35:27.080 --> 02:35:29.062
There are a lot of things
popping into the school.
02:35:29.062 --> 02:35:32.060
But when a kid has to go to
school hungry, they can't learn.
02:35:32.060 --> 02:35:33.800
So it's a lot about the environment
02:35:33.800 --> 02:35:36.453
other than Fort Worth ISD.
02:35:37.770 --> 02:35:41.180
So I'm asking you not
to allow this to happen.
02:35:41.180 --> 02:35:45.230
Because we know it's gonna
be one school in Stop 6.
02:35:45.230 --> 02:35:48.600
But then it's gonna be
schools all around Texas.
02:35:48.600 --> 02:35:50.540
And they don't know those communities.
02:35:50.540 --> 02:35:53.070
And we all know that's
what's gonna happen.
02:35:53.070 --> 02:35:54.923
And that is gonna be on us.
02:35:56.170 --> 02:35:58.530
So I am asking you to
vote your conscience,
02:35:58.530 --> 02:36:01.120
but I'm asking you to think
about all of those people who
02:36:01.120 --> 02:36:03.320
did come up and say they needed hope.
02:36:03.320 --> 02:36:05.840
The hope that Fort
Worth ISD is trying to give,
02:36:05.840 --> 02:36:08.920
the hope that Uplift is trying to give.
02:36:08.920 --> 02:36:12.780
Dumping more and more
lackluster schools in that community,
02:36:12.780 --> 02:36:14.060
is not going to solve the problem.
02:36:14.060 --> 02:36:15.563
It's gonna make it worse.
02:36:16.460 --> 02:36:19.833
So if you care for them,
you'll say no to Rocketship.
02:36:20.690 --> 02:36:21.523
Thank you.
02:36:27.723 --> 02:36:29.483
Bell-Metereau
02:36:29.483 --> 02:36:32.143
I want to thank member
Davis for her statement.
02:36:32.143 --> 02:36:36.830
The experience of
voting against Rocketship,
02:36:36.830 --> 02:36:40.190
given all of the people
who were here in support,
02:36:40.190 --> 02:36:42.650
truly broke my heart.
02:36:42.650 --> 02:36:46.780
And the thing that was
even more moving to me,
02:36:46.780 --> 02:36:50.440
was that after the
vote, they were out there
02:36:50.440 --> 02:36:55.217
and they accepted me and
hugged me and said that
02:36:56.460 --> 02:36:58.670
Rocketship would work
and that they wanted
02:36:58.670 --> 02:36:59.970
me to come up and see it.
02:36:59.970 --> 02:37:02.487
And I said, "I will come and visit you."
02:37:03.380 --> 02:37:08.380
They did not get mad at me
for voting against Rocketship.
02:37:08.870 --> 02:37:13.870
But I had done research on
Rocketship for hours and hours.
02:37:16.240 --> 02:37:19.070
And my discoveries were shocking.
02:37:19.070 --> 02:37:20.733
I mean, truly shocking.
02:37:21.950 --> 02:37:24.450
There were percentages of students
02:37:24.450 --> 02:37:27.640
who had urinary tract infections,
02:37:27.640 --> 02:37:31.100
from a regime that
made the pupils stay in
02:37:31.100 --> 02:37:34.680
and work on those tests
to do well on the tests.
02:37:34.680 --> 02:37:37.860
So any evidence of
improvement that they had,
02:37:37.860 --> 02:37:41.350
was really the result
of forcing kids to stay
02:37:41.350 --> 02:37:44.210
there until they got the tests right.
02:37:44.210 --> 02:37:47.540
And there were so many complaints.
02:37:47.540 --> 02:37:52.540
I mean, member Perez has
given us all of the statistics
02:37:53.890 --> 02:37:56.360
that you could possibly need to know,
02:37:56.360 --> 02:38:00.320
that this is a company
that will do their very best
02:38:00.320 --> 02:38:02.490
to make it look good in the beginning,
02:38:02.490 --> 02:38:07.310
and then just use methods
that are not good education,
02:38:07.310 --> 02:38:11.253
not ethical, to get
their foot in the door.
02:38:12.497 --> 02:38:15.013
And I also plead with you,
02:38:15.013 --> 02:38:18.330
you can take my word for it if you want,
02:38:18.330 --> 02:38:20.592
from the research that I've done,
02:38:20.592 --> 02:38:25.592
you can take the word
of member Davis, Perez,
02:38:28.270 --> 02:38:32.410
or you can have that emotion of thinking
02:38:32.410 --> 02:38:35.040
all of those people there
were so enthusiastic.
02:38:35.040 --> 02:38:37.023
They want hope so much.
02:38:38.280 --> 02:38:40.640
But I think this is a place where
02:38:40.640 --> 02:38:43.860
we need to use our rational minds,
02:38:43.860 --> 02:38:48.320
the data that we have,
to make the right choice.
02:38:48.320 --> 02:38:52.700
And this is a choice that
will go out into the future,
02:38:52.700 --> 02:38:55.373
as more of these schools open up.
02:38:56.350 --> 02:39:01.350
And it will damage our
public education system
02:39:01.360 --> 02:39:02.503
and our students.
02:39:08.088 --> 02:39:09.837
Well, first of all,
I just wanna say,
02:39:09.837 --> 02:39:14.020
and I would just remind
people that core to
02:39:14.020 --> 02:39:16.910
public education in Texas
and what's been core to
02:39:16.910 --> 02:39:19.630
public education in Texas always,
02:39:19.630 --> 02:39:23.800
is that education is a
parental responsibility.
02:39:23.800 --> 02:39:25.840
That was actually the
underlying idea behind
02:39:25.840 --> 02:39:28.380
Article VII of the constitution,
02:39:28.380 --> 02:39:31.370
as it was fashioned and debated in 1875.
02:39:33.549 --> 02:39:37.610
I would remind people, and I understand,
02:39:37.610 --> 02:39:39.950
and I'm always a little hesitant,
02:39:39.950 --> 02:39:41.923
when we talk about failing schools.
02:39:43.070 --> 02:39:45.790
My daughter-in-law taught
02:39:45.790 --> 02:39:48.683
in what was termed a failing school.
02:39:50.135 --> 02:39:54.210
And the numbers were shocking.
02:39:54.210 --> 02:39:56.580
But I will tell you that I
believe that the last year
02:39:56.580 --> 02:39:58.888
that she taught on that campus,
02:39:58.888 --> 02:40:00.003
there were five children murdered,
02:40:01.034 --> 02:40:02.590
off of that campus during
the course of that year.
02:40:02.590 --> 02:40:04.777
And it's really not a failing school,
02:40:04.777 --> 02:40:09.777
it is a community in
crisis around that school,
02:40:10.090 --> 02:40:13.200
that certainly creates that.
02:40:13.200 --> 02:40:15.126
And I understand that.
02:40:15.126 --> 02:40:17.790
But when you look at
the schools and in Stop 6,
02:40:17.790 --> 02:40:20.563
we also understand that
the numbers are not good.
02:40:21.440 --> 02:40:26.440
And to say that the community
has not labored for years
02:40:27.900 --> 02:40:30.160
to try to address those issues
02:40:30.160 --> 02:40:33.260
in those schools would be wrong.
02:40:33.260 --> 02:40:36.526
These things have been
going on for a long time.
02:40:36.526 --> 02:40:41.320
And I think that we owe
children our best shot.
02:40:41.320 --> 02:40:43.830
And if somebody else can
come in and give it a shot,
02:40:43.830 --> 02:40:46.080
and give these kids a chance,
02:40:46.080 --> 02:40:48.000
and it's very obvious that the parents
02:40:48.000 --> 02:40:50.930
of this community want that school.
02:40:50.930 --> 02:40:53.693
And who are we to deny that?
02:40:55.240 --> 02:40:56.980
There was a lot of conversation
02:40:56.980 --> 02:41:01.980
about the autonomy of the board.
02:41:04.364 --> 02:41:07.483
And whether or not the charter operator,
02:41:08.620 --> 02:41:09.900
based in California would be
02:41:09.900 --> 02:41:14.100
micromanaging every move that that made,
02:41:14.100 --> 02:41:16.330
and obviously there
were some documentation
02:41:16.330 --> 02:41:18.180
that what seemed to imply that.
02:41:18.180 --> 02:41:20.040
I would remind the board,
02:41:20.040 --> 02:41:22.940
such an arrangement would be illegal.
02:41:22.940 --> 02:41:26.650
Would not be legal, not
be consistent with law.
02:41:26.650 --> 02:41:29.590
And so that would
not in fact be the case.
02:41:29.590 --> 02:41:32.890
And then the question is
there were seven conditions
02:41:32.890 --> 02:41:37.890
that were presented that
would be added to that.
02:41:39.341 --> 02:41:40.998
And the question came up and said,
02:41:40.998 --> 02:41:42.655
"Well will the CMO agree with that?"
02:41:42.655 --> 02:41:44.120
Well, I talked to the CMO.
02:41:44.120 --> 02:41:47.850
I had a conversation
directly with Preston Smith,
02:41:47.850 --> 02:41:49.600
the CEO of Rocketship,
02:41:49.600 --> 02:41:53.680
and I have a letter here
that they do agree with that,
02:41:53.680 --> 02:41:55.570
and they understand that is the law,
02:41:55.570 --> 02:42:00.570
and they do not intend to
micromanage every move that makes
02:42:00.576 --> 02:42:03.400
but that local board,
02:42:03.400 --> 02:42:05.500
will in fact be in
control of that school.
02:42:06.450 --> 02:42:10.840
I think that the members
of this community,
02:42:10.840 --> 02:42:13.170
this is something that
they want for their children,
02:42:13.170 --> 02:42:16.870
and I think that it would be egregious
02:42:16.870 --> 02:42:19.361
for this board to stand in their way.
02:42:19.361 --> 02:42:22.623
And I intend to continue
to support this application.
02:42:24.860 --> 02:42:26.462
Okay members,
02:42:26.462 --> 02:42:28.699
is there any further
discussion on this item.
02:42:28.699 --> 02:42:29.860
Ms. Perez.
02:42:29.860 --> 02:42:31.924
I would like to point out
02:42:31.924 --> 02:42:33.803
that the majority of the testifiers
02:42:33.803 --> 02:42:36.273
in support of Rocketship
were not parents that
02:42:36.273 --> 02:42:38.910
will be sending their
children to that school.
02:42:38.910 --> 02:42:40.790
So I think if we're going
to have a discussion,
02:42:40.790 --> 02:42:43.283
at least let's have
an honest discussion.
02:42:44.140 --> 02:42:44.973
Number two,
02:42:44.973 --> 02:42:47.430
some documents that were
shared with us last night,
02:42:47.430 --> 02:42:50.800
point out that despite the
fact that we keep hearing
02:42:50.800 --> 02:42:52.763
that the CMO is not in charge,
02:42:53.850 --> 02:42:58.850
Rocketship Corporate Board*
documents dated February 24th,
02:43:00.410 --> 02:43:03.513
show that the land is already purchased
02:43:03.513 --> 02:43:05.800
and construction will begin July 1st,
02:43:05.800 --> 02:43:10.800
despite the quizzing for quite
some time from member Cortez.
02:43:12.220 --> 02:43:14.720
At no time were they honest with us.
02:43:14.720 --> 02:43:17.750
At no time were they
transparent at the podium
02:43:17.750 --> 02:43:21.110
for as long as they were questioned.
02:43:21.110 --> 02:43:23.603
But construction is
already scheduled to begin.
02:43:25.250 --> 02:43:29.743
I think that when people
show you who they are,
02:43:30.980 --> 02:43:32.880
we should believe them the first time.
02:43:34.090 --> 02:43:35.293
This is the fourth time.
02:43:37.810 --> 02:43:42.233
I think it behooves us not to
allow ourselves to be fooled.
02:43:49.950 --> 02:43:50.783
Dr. Johnson.
02:43:54.780 --> 02:43:56.070
I live in a part of Texas
02:43:56.070 --> 02:43:59.723
that charter schools
have little impact on.
02:44:00.900 --> 02:44:02.623
But well saying that,
02:44:02.623 --> 02:44:06.500
I also hate the duplication
of costs at any time,
02:44:06.500 --> 02:44:08.710
because I want us to be efficient.
02:44:08.710 --> 02:44:10.910
And I think we all need
to be good stewards.
02:44:12.320 --> 02:44:15.390
And I will tell you that after listening
02:44:15.390 --> 02:44:20.260
to all the interviews
that I did back in May,
02:44:20.260 --> 02:44:25.260
I wasn't prepared to cast
their vote in favor of Rocketship.
02:44:27.850 --> 02:44:30.430
But after I heard more testimony,
02:44:30.430 --> 02:44:34.130
and we played a little bit
of chess with them I think,
02:44:34.130 --> 02:44:36.330
in the time that we
were visiting with them,
02:44:37.859 --> 02:44:39.609
we got them to agree.
02:44:39.609 --> 02:44:40.990
And I think the Commissioner
02:44:40.990 --> 02:44:43.420
will put those in the contingencies.
02:44:43.420 --> 02:44:45.530
I think that originally
they asked for ten,
02:44:45.530 --> 02:44:47.460
then they came down to four.
02:44:47.460 --> 02:44:49.890
We whittled it down to two.
02:44:49.890 --> 02:44:53.490
And you correct me if I'm
wrong in things I'm saying here.
02:44:53.490 --> 02:44:58.460
So we have them down to,
they will start with two schools.
02:44:58.460 --> 02:45:01.992
We also have a contingency
that they will not expand.
02:45:01.992 --> 02:45:05.080
And I think a lot of us were nervous
02:45:05.080 --> 02:45:08.500
about Rocketship expanding quickly.
02:45:08.500 --> 02:45:09.820
That's a model of most of them.
02:45:09.820 --> 02:45:12.440
They want to get as many in operation.
02:45:12.440 --> 02:45:14.900
'Cause that's the way they operate.
02:45:14.900 --> 02:45:17.330
But we do have a contingency that
02:45:17.330 --> 02:45:19.530
I think the Commissioner will enforce.
02:45:19.530 --> 02:45:23.770
And he has that option to. He
told me he would enforce that.
02:45:23.770 --> 02:45:27.950
That they have to have a B or better
02:45:27.950 --> 02:45:31.030
on two campuses before they can expand.
02:45:31.030 --> 02:45:34.610
And to me, if they can do that,
02:45:34.610 --> 02:45:37.360
they may be a model
that we want to look at.
02:45:37.360 --> 02:45:39.940
They're in a tough area,
and they're telling us they're
02:45:39.940 --> 02:45:43.418
going to perform in those
two schools at a B level,
02:45:43.418 --> 02:45:46.710
that has swayed my vote.
02:45:46.710 --> 02:45:49.943
If they can do that,
I'll tip my hat to them.
02:45:53.185 --> 02:45:54.560
Well, we're gonna
go around each one.
02:45:54.560 --> 02:45:58.809
And we're calling Ms.
Pérez-Díaz. So, Ms. Pérez-Díaz
02:45:58.809 --> 02:46:03.809
care about the community,
if I'm in favor of this charter,
02:46:09.396 --> 02:46:13.143
is quite misguided. And
in fact, I speak in support of
02:46:13.143 --> 02:46:18.143
the agency that I think has
been taken time and again*
02:46:21.990 --> 02:46:26.990
It is a difficult vote for
me* I'll be very honest.
02:46:27.294 --> 02:46:30.910
I'm one of them board
members that sat through each
02:46:30.910 --> 02:46:34.200
iteration of this applicant's attempt.
02:46:34.200 --> 02:46:37.924
And coming in, I've
seen progress each time.
02:46:37.924 --> 02:46:41.190
That's not to say that
this charter is perfect.
02:46:41.190 --> 02:46:42.023
No school is.
02:46:42.023 --> 02:46:44.910
And that includes traditional
public school districts.
02:46:44.910 --> 02:46:48.320
But it taking into
account the fact that I feel
02:46:48.320 --> 02:46:50.750
as though these families had come in.
02:46:50.750 --> 02:46:55.750
We had parents directly tell
us that they were offended by
02:46:55.950 --> 02:46:58.890
being told that they were manipulated.
02:46:58.890 --> 02:47:02.053
And that they were coming.
02:47:03.170 --> 02:47:05.060
That takes away
agency* from our families,
02:47:05.060 --> 02:47:06.575
which is something that
02:47:06.575 --> 02:47:08.610
I think has historically
and systematically
02:47:08.610 --> 02:47:11.210
been done to families who are
02:47:11.210 --> 02:47:13.330
in under-resourced communities.
02:47:13.330 --> 02:47:17.160
I think that for that reason,
02:47:17.160 --> 02:47:20.270
and for the reasons I
spoke on a few days ago,
02:47:20.270 --> 02:47:23.780
we don't have time to waste
on reruns* and really understand
02:47:23.780 --> 02:47:27.093
that Fort Worth ISD is
making some changes.
02:47:27.093 --> 02:47:29.950
Rocketship has tried
four years in a row.
02:47:29.950 --> 02:47:32.610
And I'm wondering what
progress has been made to support
02:47:32.610 --> 02:47:35.143
these families in the last four years.
02:47:35.143 --> 02:47:40.143
Or what hasn't been done
that's speaking to the needs
02:47:40.590 --> 02:47:41.880
that they're asking for right now.
02:47:41.880 --> 02:47:44.593
So, I'm not *. I haven't
been manipulated either.
02:47:44.593 --> 02:47:45.426
For me what's important
02:47:45.426 --> 02:47:50.100
is the families who
are here for a reason*
02:47:50.100 --> 02:47:55.100
when we* don't feel that they have them.
02:47:58.089 --> 02:48:01.492
And I think in order for me to vote*
02:48:01.492 --> 02:48:05.009
I have to listen to families.
02:48:05.009 --> 02:48:08.210
As a young mother myself,
02:48:08.210 --> 02:48:09.610
I know it's important for families
02:48:09.610 --> 02:48:11.310
to be able to make choices.
02:48:11.310 --> 02:48:13.330
And I believe in public school.
02:48:13.330 --> 02:48:15.867
I absolutely believe in public school.
02:48:15.867 --> 02:48:18.260
And I believe in public school options,
02:48:18.260 --> 02:48:22.754
because if a family doesn't
feel like they're being heard,*
02:48:22.754 --> 02:48:25.260
it's their responsibility
02:48:25.260 --> 02:48:27.773
to make those decisions
for their children.
02:48:29.198 --> 02:48:30.630
And who am I to say no,
02:48:30.630 --> 02:48:33.583
when they're asking to be
heard* over and over again.
02:48:36.525 --> 02:48:39.190
So for us to go to the
left to the elected officials,
02:48:39.190 --> 02:48:41.270
and ask them how they felt
02:48:41.270 --> 02:48:42.850
their communities were being served,
02:48:42.850 --> 02:48:47.550
I think there's a gap in not
going directly to the families.
02:48:47.550 --> 02:48:50.490
If that hasn't happened,
maybe we need to consider
02:48:50.490 --> 02:48:53.722
talking directly to those
families that came and testified
02:48:53.722 --> 02:48:55.677
as to what their needs are,
02:48:55.677 --> 02:48:57.450
and what their understanding is.
02:48:57.450 --> 02:49:01.179
Because if there are options,
and we don't know about them,
02:49:01.179 --> 02:49:02.560
then maybe there's some lack
of communication happening.
02:49:02.560 --> 02:49:06.670
And that's a learning opportunity
02:49:08.096 --> 02:49:08.960
for the school district as well.
02:49:08.960 --> 02:49:10.810
But again, I don't think that
02:49:10.810 --> 02:49:13.651
because there's a lack of communication,
02:49:13.651 --> 02:49:18.651
worries us with time on
probation, where it may exist for.
02:49:20.320 --> 02:49:23.640
And so, I've voted up,
02:49:23.640 --> 02:49:25.540
and I've voted down on charter school.
02:49:27.053 --> 02:49:28.130
I am not about
traditional versus charter.
02:49:28.130 --> 02:49:30.980
I'm about who's doing what for children,
02:49:30.980 --> 02:49:32.677
and who's willing to try.
02:49:34.828 --> 02:49:37.257
And for me that's, what's
important in this vote.
02:49:37.257 --> 02:49:39.438
And so while it's a difficult vote,
02:49:39.438 --> 02:49:42.063
my my vote won't be changing on this.
02:49:45.650 --> 02:49:46.630
Are there any other members
02:49:46.630 --> 02:49:48.530
who haven't spoken for the first time?
02:49:51.540 --> 02:49:53.510
Any other members
who would like to speak?
02:49:53.510 --> 02:49:54.870
Ms. Davis?
02:49:54.870 --> 02:49:58.090
I just have a question
about the contingency.
02:49:58.090 --> 02:50:00.380
I wanna know if it's legally binding,
02:50:00.380 --> 02:50:03.600
and I find it kind of funny
for the member to say that,
02:50:03.600 --> 02:50:06.710
when she voted down a
school in her own area,
02:50:06.710 --> 02:50:08.310
that had a lot of community support.
02:50:08.310 --> 02:50:12.588
So I'm kind of I'm on
there with that one.
02:50:12.588 --> 02:50:14.410
'Cause it was the same
thing and she said, no.
02:50:14.410 --> 02:50:18.245
But I do wanna know
how legally binding is this
02:50:18.245 --> 02:50:22.000
agreement that it will
only be two schools?
02:50:22.000 --> 02:50:25.630
And again, why are we
limiting them to the school
02:50:25.630 --> 02:50:26.640
in the black neighborhood?
02:50:26.640 --> 02:50:27.950
If it's such a great school,
02:50:27.950 --> 02:50:30.800
why don't we make sure
that all students have access,
02:50:30.800 --> 02:50:33.580
including the white schools
that are in the rural areas.
02:50:33.580 --> 02:50:34.870
So why do we wanna limit it
02:50:34.870 --> 02:50:36.620
to this one little black neighborhood,
02:50:36.620 --> 02:50:39.330
if it's such a great school
that everybody believes in?
02:50:39.330 --> 02:50:41.912
I'm not sure why we wouldn't want it
02:50:41.912 --> 02:50:44.130
in my neighborhood district as well.
02:50:44.130 --> 02:50:45.530
So I'll take a stab
at the first point
02:50:45.530 --> 02:50:47.220
that I can call on legal counsel.
02:50:47.220 --> 02:50:51.730
The charter is not
approved by the agency
02:50:51.730 --> 02:50:53.060
until all the contingencies.
02:50:53.060 --> 02:50:56.320
Now we're talking about
one type of contingency here.
02:50:56.320 --> 02:51:01.320
As most of us were on
the capacity interviews,
02:51:01.480 --> 02:51:03.168
and there's oftentimes like a 501 C3
02:51:03.168 --> 02:51:05.820
would have something
maybe that was relevant
02:51:05.820 --> 02:51:08.620
to another entity that they had.
02:51:08.620 --> 02:51:09.790
And the contingency with that board
02:51:09.790 --> 02:51:14.100
would actually have
to change their 501 C3.
02:51:14.100 --> 02:51:16.500
And that would be a
contingency for example.
02:51:16.500 --> 02:51:18.870
And if that is not done by that board,
02:51:18.870 --> 02:51:21.680
then the applicant does
not receive the charter
02:51:22.940 --> 02:51:23.773
from the agency.
02:51:23.773 --> 02:51:25.880
So in the same process,
02:51:25.880 --> 02:51:30.880
this would be what is
documented by the agency at the
02:51:32.700 --> 02:51:35.498
point of the TEA granting the charter,
02:51:35.498 --> 02:51:37.900
these would be in effect.
02:51:37.900 --> 02:51:39.123
Did I get that right?
02:51:42.900 --> 02:51:44.490
So I'll just to be clear.
02:51:44.490 --> 02:51:47.810
So they would have to
stick with just two campuses,
02:51:47.810 --> 02:51:50.720
no more than that, until
both of those campuses,
02:51:50.720 --> 02:51:51.697
are an A or B.
02:51:51.697 --> 02:51:53.487
And and I just wanna end thus,*
02:51:54.871 --> 02:51:57.017
what's on paper that has to happen.
02:51:57.017 --> 02:51:58.759
And there's no way to waive that,
02:51:58.759 --> 02:51:59.850
and just go around it anyway.
02:51:59.850 --> 02:52:03.950
I wanna make sure how strict
we are to sticking with that.
02:52:03.950 --> 02:52:07.270
If that's what we gonna say
that we're going to believe.
02:52:07.270 --> 02:52:09.050
Well, I mean, just to be clear,
02:52:09.050 --> 02:52:11.680
the contingencies are under
02:52:11.680 --> 02:52:13.180
the authority of the Commissioner,
02:52:13.180 --> 02:52:16.690
to determine whether
that they go through.
02:52:16.690 --> 02:52:20.135
They're not a binding
contract with this body.
02:52:20.135 --> 02:52:25.135
However, you have 90 days from June 1st
02:52:28.780 --> 02:52:31.170
to decide whether or
not to veto a charter.
02:52:31.170 --> 02:52:36.170
So, the agency will
begin after this meeting,
02:52:36.310 --> 02:52:40.170
to be going through the
contingencies and moving
02:52:40.170 --> 02:52:43.290
forward with the charters
that you have voted
02:52:43.290 --> 02:52:45.040
to take no action on.
02:52:45.040 --> 02:52:48.083
And that is a process that
generally is two months,
02:52:49.580 --> 02:52:52.810
which bumps up right
against your 90-day deadline.
02:52:52.810 --> 02:52:54.750
I think it goes a few
days over. So, if...
02:52:54.750 --> 02:52:56.910
So, this is like a
gentleman's handshake.
02:52:56.910 --> 02:52:59.610
Not really like a legally
binding something
02:52:59.610 --> 02:53:01.043
that they have to stick to.
02:53:01.043 --> 02:53:03.770
You have been made aware
of what the Commissioner
02:53:03.770 --> 02:53:07.010
has before him to do contingencies,
02:53:07.010 --> 02:53:09.270
which he will move forward with unless
02:53:09.270 --> 02:53:14.270
you veto a charter applicant.
02:53:14.850 --> 02:53:18.430
However, that is the
Commissioner's sole authority.
02:53:18.430 --> 02:53:22.853
So, there is no like a
legally binding arrangement.
02:53:23.860 --> 02:53:25.300
I'll point out to
you, Ms. Davis,
02:53:25.300 --> 02:53:27.260
this conversation has
come up and just* different
02:53:27.260 --> 02:53:30.660
is what if the
Commissioner did not stick
02:53:30.660 --> 02:53:32.680
to what he has told us?
02:53:32.680 --> 02:53:34.910
Essentially to your question.
Essentially if we were
02:53:34.910 --> 02:53:36.987
double-crossed or tricked into that.
02:53:36.987 --> 02:53:38.470
And I think what Vaughn is saying,
02:53:38.470 --> 02:53:42.240
is we still have 90 days to
come back and take action.
02:53:42.240 --> 02:53:44.490
And I think that would
be definitely considered
02:53:44.490 --> 02:53:46.225
an appropriate action.
02:53:46.225 --> 02:53:47.750
If this board was such as that,
02:53:47.750 --> 02:53:49.770
tricked or double-crossed
which I don't anticipate.
02:53:49.770 --> 02:53:52.244
Right. But we wouldn't
know that in 90 days.
02:53:52.244 --> 02:53:54.640
We only know the one that
they fought* on Berry Street*,
02:53:54.640 --> 02:53:56.080
but we wouldn't know in 90 days,
02:53:56.080 --> 02:53:58.715
if they went on and decided to do
02:53:58.715 --> 02:53:59.840
what they wanted to do anyway.
02:53:59.840 --> 02:54:02.447
So, then we would be
voting on this, thinking that,
02:54:02.447 --> 02:54:03.830
"Hey, this could happen."
02:54:03.830 --> 02:54:07.320
Then the Commissioner could
change his mind in 91 days,
02:54:07.320 --> 02:54:10.721
and now we have nothing
we can do after that.
02:54:10.721 --> 02:54:12.700
I'm gonna call on
Dr. Johnson because
02:54:12.700 --> 02:54:14.750
I think you're about
to address that one.
02:54:17.540 --> 02:54:20.130
Member Davis. I
visited with Commissioner
02:54:20.130 --> 02:54:21.503
about that very thing.
02:54:22.610 --> 02:54:26.500
I can't speak for him, but
our conversation led me to
02:54:26.500 --> 02:54:29.187
firmly believe that he
would not give waivers
02:54:29.187 --> 02:54:32.740
until those contingencies were met.
02:54:32.740 --> 02:54:34.200
So, I'm just telling you.
02:54:34.200 --> 02:54:36.680
Jo that's cute. But he
gives waivers like candy.
02:54:36.680 --> 02:54:38.310
So, I can't say I can believe it.
02:54:38.310 --> 02:54:40.440
All I can say is
he led me to believe
02:54:40.440 --> 02:54:42.720
that wasn't his intent.
02:54:42.720 --> 02:54:43.880
Alexa,* I'm not gonna speak for him,
02:54:43.880 --> 02:54:46.463
but that's my understanding
of our conversation.
02:54:47.530 --> 02:54:50.950
Is there anyone here who has
not spoken for a second time?
02:54:50.950 --> 02:54:51.853
Dr. Bell-Metereau.
02:54:53.691 --> 02:54:58.691
Again, I would
return to the history
02:54:58.890 --> 02:55:01.770
of this school in California.
02:55:01.770 --> 02:55:06.770
And I admire our colleague for getting
02:55:10.130 --> 02:55:12.680
in touch with the CMO
and the CMO assuring him
02:55:12.680 --> 02:55:16.560
that they would have
no control over Texas,
02:55:16.560 --> 02:55:21.560
but I would not believe the
CMO of California Rocketship.
02:55:23.240 --> 02:55:26.383
The other point I
would like to emphasize,
02:55:26.383 --> 02:55:29.170
and this is for member Johnson.
02:55:29.170 --> 02:55:33.060
They may well be
able to get good results
02:55:33.060 --> 02:55:36.920
and turn into a B, but the
methods that they use for
02:55:36.920 --> 02:55:39.820
that include coercion of the children,
02:55:39.820 --> 02:55:44.800
and then dropping
children from the schools,
02:55:44.800 --> 02:55:46.950
if they don't perform well.
02:55:46.950 --> 02:55:51.300
So it's not as if these
results constitute
02:55:51.300 --> 02:55:54.290
real education or real achievement,
02:55:54.290 --> 02:55:58.220
but it's good performance
to achieve a result.
02:55:58.220 --> 02:56:01.160
And also, they are very good
02:56:01.160 --> 02:56:05.630
at PR that gets people
very enthusiastic.
02:56:05.630 --> 02:56:09.970
And people do not ever
want to turn against somebody
02:56:09.970 --> 02:56:13.970
that they've developed loyalty for.
02:56:13.970 --> 02:56:18.970
So, I would still maintain
that this is not a good bet.
02:56:20.212 --> 02:56:23.073
It's a risk for Texas.
02:56:24.120 --> 02:56:26.820
Three members who have
not spoken for a second time.
02:56:27.734 --> 02:56:30.034
We'll take a brief pause
and make sure we have
02:56:30.969 --> 02:56:32.947
all our members online.
02:56:32.947 --> 02:56:33.872
Okay.
02:56:33.872 --> 02:56:36.720
So, I'm going to now call on Ms. Little.
02:56:40.610 --> 02:56:42.073
I'm sorry. You did?
02:56:43.611 --> 02:56:44.740
It's just been so long.
02:56:46.002 --> 02:56:47.399
It has been a while.
02:56:47.399 --> 02:56:48.232
I'll call on Ms.
Martinez to call the roll.
02:56:50.610 --> 02:56:51.720
Let me clarify that.
02:56:53.729 --> 02:56:55.312
Yes clarify that.
02:56:57.012 --> 02:56:59.773
So this will be
opposite the last couple.
02:56:59.773 --> 02:57:00.860
So, the recommendation from
the Committee of the Full Board,
02:57:00.860 --> 02:57:02.850
was to take no action.
02:57:02.850 --> 02:57:05.260
Which would allow this charter
02:57:05.260 --> 02:57:07.610
to move forward in the process.
02:57:07.610 --> 02:57:10.698
So, in clarification,
a yes vote is to allow
02:57:10.698 --> 02:57:14.993
Rocketship Public
Schools to be approved.
02:57:16.160 --> 02:57:16.993
Mr. Cortez.
02:57:17.890 --> 02:57:19.620
And just have something
that's kind of bugging me.
02:57:19.620 --> 02:57:20.920
I just want clarification.
02:57:24.560 --> 02:57:27.684
Dr. Johnson, you seek out
Morath or did he seek you out?
02:57:27.684 --> 02:57:30.209
He called me.
02:57:30.209 --> 02:57:31.943
He called you?
02:57:31.943 --> 02:57:33.690
A Commissioner is not allowed
02:57:33.690 --> 02:57:36.240
to lobby on behalf of
any of these charters.
02:57:36.240 --> 02:57:37.950
No, I think he was
asking for clarification*.
02:57:37.950 --> 02:57:39.413
He didn't call me.
02:57:41.401 --> 02:57:42.433
He didn't call me.
I voted against it.
02:57:45.433 --> 02:57:47.123
I'm just saying. I just
have to put that out there.
02:57:48.003 --> 02:57:50.291
I mean when he stated it,
02:57:50.291 --> 02:57:51.930
I'm not sure if I heard
what I heard correctly
02:57:51.930 --> 02:57:54.910
but Mr. Chair,
02:57:54.910 --> 02:57:58.463
General Counsel is this appropriate?
02:57:59.370 --> 02:58:00.203
Mr. Cortez
02:58:00.203 --> 02:58:03.150
For the behavior of our
Commissioner to reach out
02:58:03.150 --> 02:58:06.630
to a member of this
body prior to a vote?.
02:58:06.630 --> 02:58:08.800
Most General Counsel
tells me different.
02:58:08.800 --> 02:58:11.000
We have called for the vote.
02:58:11.000 --> 02:58:13.840
I want legal clarification
before this vote happens
02:58:13.840 --> 02:58:18.150
because if I understood that correctly,
02:58:18.150 --> 02:58:20.943
I at least want some
interpretation from Vaughn.
02:58:24.380 --> 02:58:26.705
Mr Cortez. We have
called for the vote.
02:58:26.705 --> 02:58:27.538
We had time for discussion.
02:58:27.538 --> 02:58:30.300
We went around the
room each time, one time.
02:58:30.300 --> 02:58:32.300
We had others go a second time.
02:58:32.300 --> 02:58:34.810
You had the option to discuss this.
02:58:34.810 --> 02:58:36.760
Your comment was
"Any further discussion."
02:58:36.760 --> 02:58:39.110
And I said, "Mr. Chair",
and you recognized me.
02:58:40.222 --> 02:58:41.643
This is my discussion.
Now I'm asking the question.
02:58:42.690 --> 02:58:45.170
After that, I called on
Ms. Martinez to call the roll.
02:58:45.170 --> 02:58:47.480
So that's calling for the vote.
02:58:47.480 --> 02:58:49.270
So, you don't wanna
have this information
02:58:49.270 --> 02:58:51.200
put out on record. Is
what you're saying?
02:58:51.200 --> 02:58:53.010
I have no problem
with the information being
02:58:53.010 --> 02:58:55.780
put out by record, but
by rule and procedure
02:58:55.780 --> 02:58:58.230
we have called for the vote.
02:58:58.230 --> 02:59:03.230
Okay. So, Madam
parliamentarian, how do we proceed?
02:59:03.330 --> 02:59:06.470
If I would like to get
some kind of guidance from
02:59:06.470 --> 02:59:10.623
counsel on this, before
we do this roll call vote.
02:59:13.300 --> 02:59:15.780
I believe your best
option forward would be a
02:59:15.780 --> 02:59:18.160
motion to suspend the
rules because the rules
02:59:18.160 --> 02:59:21.340
say that once a vote has
begun, it cannot be stopped.
02:59:21.340 --> 02:59:23.750
So, you are now asking
to suspend the rules.
02:59:23.750 --> 02:59:26.369
That would be undebatable unamendable,
02:59:26.369 --> 02:59:28.530
and would require two thirds vote.
02:59:28.530 --> 02:59:30.831
That would be my I request.
02:59:30.831 --> 02:59:32.270
Just to get this information on record.
02:59:32.270 --> 02:59:33.836
I have a question
based on what she said.
02:59:33.836 --> 02:59:36.298
Ms. Davis. Hold
on just a second.
02:59:36.298 --> 02:59:39.517
We have a motion to suspend the rules.
02:59:39.517 --> 02:59:44.517
It does require a
second. It is not debatable.
02:59:45.380 --> 02:59:47.176
And it's not ammendable.
02:59:47.176 --> 02:59:48.553
I have Parliamentary
inquiry based on that though,
02:59:51.428 --> 02:59:52.303
before we vote.
02:59:52.303 --> 02:59:54.405
Okay. What's your
parliamentary inquiry?
02:59:54.405 --> 02:59:56.367
You mentioned
that the vote started,
02:59:56.367 --> 02:59:57.200
but what constitutes a vote
starting because none of
02:59:58.874 --> 03:00:01.054
us have actually voted yet.
03:00:01.054 --> 03:00:04.887
So just him saying
Monica, read the roll call.
03:00:06.072 --> 03:00:08.260
That means that the vote
has technically started?
03:00:08.260 --> 03:00:09.530
Generally, once the chair says,
03:00:09.530 --> 03:00:10.674
"We're now going to a vote.".
03:00:10.674 --> 03:00:13.777
If you weren't voting
by roll call would it been
03:00:13.777 --> 03:00:16.710
"Those in favor please raise your hand."
03:00:16.710 --> 03:00:19.733
Instead he called on Ms. Martinez.
03:00:19.733 --> 03:00:23.960
Yes. At that point the voting has begun.
03:00:23.960 --> 03:00:27.450
But then he called
on member Cortez first
03:00:27.450 --> 03:00:28.740
and then Ms. Martinez.
03:00:28.740 --> 03:00:30.435
So that's what I'm saying
03:00:30.435 --> 03:00:31.740
I'm trying to get clarity
on how this goes.
03:00:31.740 --> 03:00:33.780
Because he said, "Any other comments?"
03:00:33.780 --> 03:00:35.880
That's when member
Cortez raised his hand.
03:00:38.080 --> 03:00:39.790
No. I asked any other comments
03:00:39.790 --> 03:00:42.510
then I called in Ms.
Martinez to call a roll,
03:00:42.510 --> 03:00:45.759
And then Mr. Cortez
spoke up at that time.
03:00:45.759 --> 03:00:50.330
We had already started
at that point in time,
03:00:50.330 --> 03:00:51.996
But I am recognizing
Mr. Cortez's request
03:00:51.996 --> 03:00:53.544
to suspend the rules.
03:00:53.544 --> 03:00:56.129
It does require a second.
Is there a second?
03:00:56.129 --> 03:00:57.761
Second.
03:00:57.761 --> 03:00:59.913
Okay. This motion is not
debatable and is not amendable.
03:00:59.913 --> 03:01:02.123
So, what we will move to now
is a vote to suspend the rules,
03:01:03.215 --> 03:01:04.900
to allow further debate and questions.
03:01:04.900 --> 03:01:07.780
So, what I would ask all
those in favor of suspending the
03:01:08.856 --> 03:01:11.556
rules for further debate to
show by raising your hand.
03:01:20.393 --> 03:01:21.936
Eight.
03:01:21.936 --> 03:01:23.805
Okay. We have eight in favor.
03:01:23.805 --> 03:01:25.030
Is that included the virtual.
03:01:25.030 --> 03:01:25.863
Okay.
03:01:28.071 --> 03:01:31.071
All those opposed, by the same sign.
03:01:31.910 --> 03:01:32.743
Five
03:01:33.697 --> 03:01:35.700
And I'll vote no
also. So that's six.
03:01:35.700 --> 03:01:37.618
So that does not reach the threshold
03:01:37.618 --> 03:01:38.905
of a two thirds majority.
03:01:38.905 --> 03:01:40.867
So, the motion is defeated.
03:01:40.867 --> 03:01:42.436
Ms. Martinez, would
you please call the roll.
03:01:42.436 --> 03:01:45.408
If I can understand that last
03:01:45.408 --> 03:01:46.548
Is this a
parliamentary inquiry?
03:01:46.548 --> 03:01:49.225
Yeah, on the vote
that just took place.
03:01:49.225 --> 03:01:50.959
Please state,
"Parliamentary inquiry."
03:01:50.959 --> 03:01:53.163
Parliamentary inquiry.
03:01:53.163 --> 03:01:54.550
Yes, sir.
03:01:54.550 --> 03:01:55.600
Special. K.
03:01:55.600 --> 03:01:57.730
So, what I understand right now,
03:01:57.730 --> 03:02:01.312
is that in situations of a tie break,
03:02:01.312 --> 03:02:06.312
our Chair has the
right to cast that vote.
03:02:06.740 --> 03:02:09.470
Sometimes the Chair is
required or not required to vote.
03:02:09.470 --> 03:02:12.670
The Chair always
has the right to vote.
03:02:12.670 --> 03:02:16.610
Usually he only votes when
his vote will make a difference.
03:02:16.610 --> 03:02:18.710
In this particular
instance he chose to vote,
03:02:18.710 --> 03:02:19.923
even though his vote
did not make a difference.
03:02:19.923 --> 03:02:22.759
The threshold for two
thirds vote is that there are
03:02:22.759 --> 03:02:26.014
twice as many in favor
as there are opposed.
03:02:26.014 --> 03:02:29.417
So even without his vote
03:02:29.417 --> 03:02:31.084
there would not have been two thirds.
03:02:31.084 --> 03:02:32.203
Thank you.
03:02:32.203 --> 03:02:34.162
Parliamentary inquiry
03:02:34.162 --> 03:02:35.533
Ms. Martinez,
please call the roll.
03:02:35.533 --> 03:02:38.311
I have a parliamentary inquiry.
03:02:38.311 --> 03:02:39.357
Parliamentary
inquiry, Ms. Davis.
03:02:39.357 --> 03:02:42.025
If we go with the
vote and we find that
03:02:42.025 --> 03:02:46.533
the Commissioner did violate
something by reaching out,
03:02:48.961 --> 03:02:50.471
then what happens?
03:02:50.471 --> 03:02:51.671
Even though we've made a vote and
03:02:51.671 --> 03:02:53.144
he's violated something, what happens?
03:02:53.144 --> 03:02:55.143
That is not a
parliamentary issue Ma'am.
03:02:56.860 --> 03:02:58.420
Ms. Martinez,
please call the roll.
03:02:58.420 --> 03:03:00.863
Can you just restate
what we're voting on
03:03:00.863 --> 03:03:02.092
because it's been so long?
03:03:02.092 --> 03:03:03.810
For clarification
that is an order.
03:03:03.810 --> 03:03:05.010
Thank you, Dr. Robinson.
03:03:05.900 --> 03:03:09.019
So the Committee of
the Full Board voted to
03:03:09.019 --> 03:03:13.582
take no action in committee
which is to approve the charter.
03:03:13.582 --> 03:03:17.370
So right now a yes vote
would be to affirm the
03:03:17.370 --> 03:03:19.110
vote of the Community of the Full Board.
03:03:19.110 --> 03:03:21.523
So a yes vote would be
to approve the charter.
03:03:23.560 --> 03:03:24.660
Any questions on that?
03:03:25.680 --> 03:03:26.513
Ms. Martinez.
03:03:28.170 --> 03:03:30.020
Ms. Perez.
03:03:30.020 --> 03:03:30.853
No.
03:03:31.750 --> 03:03:33.130
Mr. Cortez.
03:03:33.130 --> 03:03:34.650
No.
03:03:34.650 --> 03:03:36.013
Ms. Pérez-Díaz.
03:03:36.013 --> 03:03:37.588
Yes.
03:03:37.588 --> 03:03:39.010
Mr. Allen.
03:03:39.010 --> 03:03:40.559
Yes.
03:03:40.559 --> 03:03:42.226
Dr. Bell-Metereau.
03:03:43.741 --> 03:03:44.574
No.
03:03:45.698 --> 03:03:47.206
Mr. Hickman.
03:03:47.206 --> 03:03:48.039
Yes.
03:03:49.431 --> 03:03:51.139
Dr. Robinson.
03:03:51.139 --> 03:03:51.972
No.
03:03:53.131 --> 03:03:54.311
Dr. Young.
03:03:54.311 --> 03:03:55.954
No.
03:03:55.954 --> 03:03:57.121
Mr. Maynard.
03:03:59.144 --> 03:03:59.977
Yes.
03:04:01.113 --> 03:04:02.124
Ms. Hardy.
03:04:02.124 --> 03:04:02.957
Yes.
03:04:04.287 --> 03:04:05.429
Mrs. Little.
03:04:05.429 --> 03:04:06.262
No.
03:04:07.603 --> 03:04:08.569
Ms. Davis.
03:04:08.569 --> 03:04:09.402
No.
03:04:10.355 --> 03:04:12.105
Mrs. Melton-Malone.
03:04:13.647 --> 03:04:15.263
Yes.
03:04:15.263 --> 03:04:16.736
Dr. Johnson.
03:04:16.736 --> 03:04:17.569
Yes.
03:04:18.832 --> 03:04:19.749
Dr Ellis.
03:04:21.162 --> 03:04:21.995
Yes
03:04:23.748 --> 03:04:27.665
So, there's eight in
favor and seven opposed.
03:04:28.991 --> 03:04:30.978
So, there is a majority in
favor and the recommendation
03:04:30.978 --> 03:04:33.449
is adopted to allow
Rocketship Public Schools
03:04:33.449 --> 03:04:34.842
to move forward.
03:04:34.842 --> 03:04:37.509
I'll ask Ms. Little to continue.
03:04:48.509 --> 03:04:51.521
Mr. Chair, the Committee
of a Full Board recommends
03:04:51.521 --> 03:04:53.627
that the State Board
of Education veto the
03:04:53.627 --> 03:04:56.943
Commissioner of
Education's Generation 26
03:04:56.943 --> 03:04:59.519
open-enrollment charter
school proposal for
03:04:59.519 --> 03:05:03.352
S.H. James Preparatory
Academy in San Antonio.
03:05:04.870 --> 03:05:08.911
Members is there any
further debate on this item.
03:05:08.911 --> 03:05:10.172
Mr. Cortez
03:05:10.172 --> 03:05:12.557
So, I have a question
for legal counsel.
03:05:12.557 --> 03:05:15.457
Is the Commissioner
allowed to call any member
03:05:15.457 --> 03:05:20.098
of this body regarding
any of these charters and
03:05:20.098 --> 03:05:22.514
give them information that may sway them
03:05:22.514 --> 03:05:23.702
one way or another?
03:05:23.702 --> 03:05:25.361
What would prohibit him?
03:05:25.361 --> 03:05:27.992
He is the Executive
Secretary of this board.
03:05:27.992 --> 03:05:30.712
He's not allowed to lobby
the legislature. I'm asking you,
03:05:30.712 --> 03:05:32.884
I mean, you're the
lawyer you tell me, well,
03:05:32.884 --> 03:05:34.893
I am not aware of something that would,
03:05:34.893 --> 03:05:37.783
that he would be violating
this isn't the legislature.
03:05:37.783 --> 03:05:41.005
It isn't legislative. And
that meant he's not using
03:05:41.005 --> 03:05:45.172
state funds in order to
influence the legislature.
03:05:46.149 --> 03:05:50.644
So if you have something in
particular that you'd like me to
03:05:50.644 --> 03:05:52.622
review, I'd be, I'd be happy to but.
03:05:52.622 --> 03:05:54.569
It's not something that comes to mind.
03:05:54.569 --> 03:05:56.466
Nothing comes to mind.
03:05:56.466 --> 03:06:00.299
And, but then again,
I will like in, you know,
03:06:02.449 --> 03:06:03.603
in all honesty,
03:06:03.603 --> 03:06:08.146
I am hired by the person that
you're making an accusation
03:06:08.146 --> 03:06:09.470
against,
03:06:09.470 --> 03:06:12.180
and it may be more appropriate
for you to seek that counsel
03:06:12.180 --> 03:06:15.025
somewhere, somewhere else.
03:06:15.025 --> 03:06:17.902
If, if you feel that
there is a violation,
03:06:17.902 --> 03:06:20.235
So there's fair statement.
03:06:25.618 --> 03:06:29.876
You are hired by the very
gentleman that I'm questioning you
03:06:29.876 --> 03:06:31.500
about.
03:06:31.500 --> 03:06:33.404
Thank you for your honesty members.
03:06:33.404 --> 03:06:38.321
Was there any further debate
on this item, this Perez Diaz.
03:06:39.596 --> 03:06:43.679
However, to state that I
did have the opportunity
03:06:52.425 --> 03:06:57.008
personally, to meet with the
leadership of. As H James,
03:06:57.977 --> 03:07:01.309
I have been able to watch the
work that they've been doing
03:07:01.309 --> 03:07:04.642
in preparation for today. And I'm quite,
03:07:05.527 --> 03:07:09.188
was quite impressed with
the work that they've done.
03:07:09.188 --> 03:07:11.099
They're going into a community, again,
03:07:11.099 --> 03:07:13.932
offering opportunities where
community members are
03:07:13.932 --> 03:07:18.018
specifically asking for
support and, and other options.
03:07:18.018 --> 03:07:22.277
And they have an incredible
amount of community support.
03:07:22.277 --> 03:07:24.466
They also have a great board.
03:07:24.466 --> 03:07:27.654
One of which was Mr. Milton
Harris, who came and spoke.
03:07:27.654 --> 03:07:30.414
He's a well-respected
gentleman in the community.
03:07:30.414 --> 03:07:32.385
And, and I believe in a leader there.
03:07:32.385 --> 03:07:35.743
And so for that reason, I will
be supporting a Sage genes.
03:07:35.743 --> 03:07:38.444
And I would ask that, you know,
03:07:38.444 --> 03:07:42.344
as I spoke earlier on listen to
community and the needs, I,
03:07:42.344 --> 03:07:45.635
I make it a mission of mine
to go into the community and
03:07:45.635 --> 03:07:48.469
immerse myself and make
sure that I'm hearing all
03:07:48.469 --> 03:07:49.823
perspectives
03:07:49.823 --> 03:07:54.371
and from my perspective
on this particular proposal bill
03:07:54.371 --> 03:07:55.454
and his team,
03:07:57.529 --> 03:08:00.355
just the value that this
potential charter could bring.
03:08:00.355 --> 03:08:03.377
And so what ask that you
all consider that, I mean,
03:08:03.377 --> 03:08:06.377
from the member areas, so thank you.
03:08:11.400 --> 03:08:15.885
All right, members, any
further discussion on this item?
03:08:15.885 --> 03:08:18.166
All right. Before I asked
Ms. Martinez to call the roll,
03:08:18.166 --> 03:08:22.301
I will confirm that this is
different than the last one.
03:08:22.301 --> 03:08:25.216
So the recommendation of
the committee of the full* board
03:08:25.216 --> 03:08:27.966
was to veto a Saint James Academy
03:08:30.458 --> 03:08:32.927
that's Saint James Preparatory Academy.*
03:08:32.927 --> 03:08:37.927
So an affirmative vote would
be a vote to continue the veto.
03:08:41.009 --> 03:08:43.092
So a yes vote is to veto.
03:08:43.936 --> 03:08:45.804
Ms. Martinez.
03:08:45.804 --> 03:08:47.159
Ms. Perez.
03:08:47.159 --> 03:08:49.331
Yes.
03:08:49.331 --> 03:08:51.005
Mr. Cortez*.
03:08:51.005 --> 03:08:52.175
Yes.
03:08:52.175 --> 03:08:53.723
Yes.
03:08:53.723 --> 03:08:55.277
Mr. Allen.
03:08:55.277 --> 03:08:56.777
Yes.
03:08:58.125 --> 03:08:59.212
Dr. Bell Maduro*
03:08:59.212 --> 03:09:00.757
Yes.
03:09:00.757 --> 03:09:03.429
Mr. Hickman.
03:09:03.429 --> 03:09:05.096
Yes.
03:09:09.005 --> 03:09:11.752
Dr. Robinson.
03:09:11.752 --> 03:09:14.417
Again how it is?
03:09:14.417 --> 03:09:17.667
* Yes to
continue the veto.
03:09:20.281 --> 03:09:21.818
Yes.
03:09:21.818 --> 03:09:23.324
Dr. Young.
03:09:23.324 --> 03:09:24.910
Yes.
03:09:24.910 --> 03:09:25.790
Mr. Maynard.
03:09:25.790 --> 03:09:26.623
No.
03:09:28.440 --> 03:09:29.790
Ms. Hardy.
03:09:32.196 --> 03:09:33.757
Yeah.
03:09:33.757 --> 03:09:36.061
Mrs. Liddell.*
03:09:36.061 --> 03:09:37.110
No.
03:09:37.110 --> 03:09:39.439
Ms. Davis.
03:09:39.439 --> 03:09:40.338
Yes to veto.
03:09:40.338 --> 03:09:41.846
Mrs. Melton Malone.*
03:09:41.846 --> 03:09:43.430
[Mrs. Melton Malone] Yes.
03:09:43.430 --> 03:09:45.465
Dr. Johnson.
03:09:45.465 --> 03:09:47.132
Yes.
03:09:51.610 --> 03:09:53.160
Nine in favor.
03:09:59.699 --> 03:10:01.750
Yes, sir.
03:10:01.750 --> 03:10:03.540
So we have nine in
favor and five against,
03:10:03.540 --> 03:10:07.393
so the veto is upheld.
03:10:10.464 --> 03:10:14.297
And just so I get that
properly on the record,
03:10:15.280 --> 03:10:19.080
there is a majority in favor
of the recommendation
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is adopted. Correct? Okay.
03:10:24.319 --> 03:10:25.152
All right, Ms. Little.
03:10:27.300 --> 03:10:30.252
Mr. Chair, the
committee of the full board
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recommends the state board of education
03:10:31.660 --> 03:10:34.410
take no action on the
Commissioner of Education's
03:10:34.410 --> 03:10:38.750
Generation 26 open enrollment
charter school proposal
03:10:38.750 --> 03:10:41.173
for Thrive Center for
Success in Magnolia.
03:10:42.620 --> 03:10:45.133
Members is there any
further discussion on this item?
03:10:48.910 --> 03:10:51.510
Okay. So this one is different
again than the last one.
03:10:51.510 --> 03:10:53.230
So for clarification,
03:10:53.230 --> 03:10:55.720
the recommendation from
the committee of the full board
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was to take no action,
03:10:57.530 --> 03:10:59.880
which would allow this
charter to move forward.
03:11:02.183 --> 03:11:05.993
So a yes vote would be to
allow the charter to be approved.
03:11:08.040 --> 03:11:08.953
Okay, Ms. Martinez.
03:11:11.070 --> 03:11:11.960
Ms. Perez.
03:11:11.960 --> 03:11:12.810
No.
03:11:13.840 --> 03:11:15.697
Mr. Cortez.
03:11:15.697 --> 03:11:18.114
(indistinct)
03:11:26.090 --> 03:11:28.199
Ms. Perez-Diaz.
03:11:28.199 --> 03:11:29.870
Yes.
03:11:29.870 --> 03:11:31.940
Mr. Allen.
03:11:31.940 --> 03:11:33.310
Yes.
03:11:33.310 --> 03:11:34.760
Dr. Bell Metro.*
03:11:34.760 --> 03:11:36.060
Yes.
03:11:36.060 --> 03:11:37.980
Mr. Hickman.
03:11:37.980 --> 03:11:38.813
Yes.
03:11:40.110 --> 03:11:41.430
Dr. Robinson.
03:11:41.430 --> 03:11:43.060
Yes.
03:11:43.060 --> 03:11:44.460
Dr. Young.
03:11:44.460 --> 03:11:46.160
Yes.
03:11:46.160 --> 03:11:47.300
Mr. Maynard.
03:11:47.300 --> 03:11:48.493
Yes.
03:11:48.493 --> 03:11:50.460
Ms. Hardy.
03:11:50.460 --> 03:11:51.690
Yes.
03:11:51.690 --> 03:11:52.846
Mrs. Little, yes.
03:11:52.846 --> 03:11:54.185
Ms. Davis.
03:11:54.185 --> 03:11:55.459
Yes.
03:11:55.459 --> 03:11:56.292
Mrs. Melton Molo*.
03:11:56.292 --> 03:11:58.087
[Mrs. Melton Malone] Yes
03:11:58.087 --> 03:11:59.031
Dr. Johnson.
03:11:59.031 --> 03:12:00.698
Yes.
03:12:02.356 --> 03:12:04.606
Dr. Ellis.
03:12:05.831 --> 03:12:07.055
Yes.
03:12:07.055 --> 03:12:10.810
There is 14 in favor and one opposed.
03:12:10.810 --> 03:12:13.130
So there is a majority
and the recommendation
03:12:13.130 --> 03:12:15.940
is adopted to take no action
03:12:15.940 --> 03:12:19.793
on Thrive Center for
Success out of Magnolia.
03:12:21.570 --> 03:12:23.313
I believe that concludes the item.
03:12:24.727 --> 03:12:25.560
All right, thank you members.
03:12:25.560 --> 03:12:26.940
And again, as we've mentioned yesterday,
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this has been a long
and arduous process,
03:12:29.870 --> 03:12:31.710
and I do want to state
again, as I did yesterday,
03:12:31.710 --> 03:12:33.030
I'm proud of this board.
03:12:33.030 --> 03:12:34.600
I'm proud of the time
that they put into this,
03:12:34.600 --> 03:12:35.950
when we go all the way back
03:12:37.081 --> 03:12:37.914
from reviewing the applications
03:12:37.914 --> 03:12:39.470
when they're presented to us,
03:12:39.470 --> 03:12:40.940
the amount of participation that we had
03:12:40.940 --> 03:12:42.510
during the capacity interviews,
03:12:42.510 --> 03:12:45.160
I think eight or so, maybe
a little bit more hours
03:12:45.160 --> 03:12:47.520
of public testimony on Tuesday.
03:12:47.520 --> 03:12:50.330
Eight or nine or so hours
of additional interviews
03:12:50.330 --> 03:12:52.395
that we had yesterday.
03:12:52.395 --> 03:12:54.240
The way that we're
conducting this house,
03:12:54.240 --> 03:12:57.410
the amount of effort and research,
03:12:57.410 --> 03:12:59.370
and just time that this board spent,
03:12:59.370 --> 03:13:02.400
thoughtful, thoughtful
consideration, respectful dialogue.
03:13:02.400 --> 03:13:03.470
I do wanna commend the board
03:13:03.470 --> 03:13:04.910
for the work they've done on this.
03:13:04.910 --> 03:13:06.110
Let's take a few minutes
03:13:07.211 --> 03:13:08.044
before we move on to the next item.