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Let's go on the record
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and I'll call to order docket number
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five, two, three, two, one.
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Application of ERCOT for a debt
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obligation order under PURA Chapter 39,
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Subchapter M and 5 2 3 2 2,
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also an application of ERCOT
this time for a debt obligation
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order to finance uplift balances under
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PURA Chapter 39 Subchapter N.
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My name is Hunter Burkhalter.
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This is a pre hearing
conference being held on
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July 28th, 2021.
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Let me start by taking appearances.
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We have two parties
officially at this point.
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So let me start with the
parties first. ERCOT first.
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Good morning, your honor.
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Ron Moss in Juliana Morehead for ERCOT.
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Welcome and Commission staff.
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Good morning, your honor.
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Eleanor D'Ambrosio and Floyd
Walker for Commission staff.
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Thank you. All right.
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And so I haven't admitted
any interveners yet,
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but I do want to know if you're here.
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So I'm going to go through
my list of interveners.
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Folks who have sought to intervene.
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And the court reporter who
wants me to remind you,
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I'm not going to make,
we're going to try this,
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not making you come
up to the mic to speak,
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but so that she can
hear please, be loud,
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so she can hear it.
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If, if that doesn't work,
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I might have y'all come up to the mic,
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but let's try this first.
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And then when I call your name,
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let me know if you were
appearing for both dockets
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or one docket or the other.
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So T I E C.
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Your honor, John
Hubbard for both dockets.
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Just energy.
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Right here, your honor.
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Kathy Webb here for Just Energy.
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I'm also here for Gexa
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A P G and E and Southern
Federal in both dockets.
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Sorry. So Just
Energy, Gexa Energy
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A P G and E.
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It's probably on your afternoon list
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and Southern Federal Power.
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Maybe I mentioned it here.
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Your honor, I apologize.
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APG and E and Southern federal are
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just in the two, two
proceeding those Subchapter N.
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Ah okay. Okay.
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Thank you.
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Thank you for that. All right.
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Thank you.
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NRG.
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Yes, your honor.
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Andrea Stover and Christina Rollins.
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For both dockets?
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For both dockets.
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Thank you. City of Garland?
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Yes, your honor. Reid Barnes.
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For both dockets.
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Also here on behalf
of the city of Lubbock,
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the city of Denton and
the city of Georgetown.
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Okay. Lubbock,
Denton, did you say?
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Yes, Denton and Georgetown.
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And are they on
in both dockets?
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Yes.
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Thank you.
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DC energy, Texas?
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City of Austin?
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Morning, your honor.
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Thomas Porchetta
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appearing on behalf of city
of Austin in both proceedings.
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Thank you.
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Coalition, a competitive
retail electric providers.
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Good morning, your honor.
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(inaudible)
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Both dockets.
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Thank you. LCRA and LCRA WSC.
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Havan Grid.
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Exelon.
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Megan (inaudible)
for both dockets.
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Thank you.
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Shell.
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Energy trading Institute.
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City of Georgetown.
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Yes, your honor.
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Oh, right.
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Thank you.
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BP
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EDF.
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Good morning, your honor,
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James Guy on behalf of
the EDF Energy Services.
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Both dockets?
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Yes, both dockets.
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Thank you. City group?
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Texas retail energy?
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Luminant?
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Good morning, your honor.
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Bill Moore and Melissa Warber
on behalf of Luminant Energy.
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Both dockets.
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Thank you. Tenaska?
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Advant Power Alliance?
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Golden spread?
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Yes, your honor.
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Todd Kimbro. And we're in both dockets.
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Texpo?
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Good morning again, James Guy,
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on behalf of Texpo in both dockets.
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Sarason?
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Terraform Power?
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Terry Collier Brown and
Matt Heart for Terraform.
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And we're also here for NL Trading.
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Are you in both
in Terraform, both dockets?
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Only in the 3, 2 ,1
docket, your honor.
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Okay.
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And I'm sorry, what was
the second company?
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It is NL Trading,
North America.
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And is that
in both dockets or just?
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No, only in 3, 2, 1.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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How are you doing?
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(laughter)
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NG Resources?
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Good morning, your honor.
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Steven (inaudible) on
behalf of NG on both sides.
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Thank you.
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South Texas Electric co-op?
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Morning,
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Jennifer Littlefield
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on behalf of the South Texas Electrical,
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and the Subchapter N proceeding.
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And I'm also here on behalf of Chariot-
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Sorry, M and
N sound too much alike.
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The two, one or two
-- The 3, 2, 1.
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And I'm also here on
behalf of Chariot Energy
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and the Subchapter N
two, two proceedings.
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Thank you.
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Morgan Stanley?
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Vital?
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R W E. Renewables?
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Texas Treasury Safekeeping.
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Hi, yes, your honor.
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Serena (inaudible)
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for the Texas Treasury
Safe Keeping Trust Company,
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only for docket 3, 2, 1, please.
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Thank you.
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Alright. So this is
my list for two, two.
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And if I, if I'm
redundant, bare with me.
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Let's see, TSU Energy Retail?
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Yes, your honor.
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Good morning. Mike
Wright here. (inaudible)
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And you're only--
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And I'm also here for
Luminant DP services.
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, Tri Eagle Energy, Value Based Brands,
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which include For Change Energy,
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Fresh Energy, Bedroom energy.
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And they are all only
appearing in the two, two?
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They're all only two, two.
Thank you.
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Thanks.
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City of Seguin?
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AP gas and electric?
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Your honor.
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That's that APG and E
I've mentioned earlier.
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Ah right. Thank you. Thank you.
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Tenaska Power and associated folks?
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Southern Federal Power.
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Yes, your honor.
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Again, Catherine Webb King. Thank you.
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Thank you. Calpine?
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Yes, your honor.
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Chad Johnson,
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Maria Faccanti and the Elena Serrano.
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And we're in both proceedings,
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All right. Thank you.
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1 7 4 Power Global?
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Rayburn Country. Oh, I'm sorry.
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Yes. It's okay.
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Jennifer Littlefield, on
behalf of 174 Power Global.
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Only in docket two, two?
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Correct.
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Alright.
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Rayburn Country?
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East Texas electric Co-op.
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Good morning, your honor.
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Jacob Lawlor on behalf of
East Texas Electric Co-op.
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We should be in both dockets.
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Thank you. OPUC
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Good morning, your honor.
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Adam Goodlet on behalf
of the office of public utility
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council, for both dockets.
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I think that is everybody.
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Is there anybody here who-
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Yeah, Melissa Gauge.
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An attorney for AP. We
intervened this morning.
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I apologize. We had an issue yesterday,
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but it should be on file
now for AP energy partners.
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For both?
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For both both dockets.
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Thank you.
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Anybody else?
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Alright.
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So the time for objecting
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to a few motions to
intervene has passed.
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The time for objecting to by far of,
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most of them has not passed.
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I'm wondering, is
there going to be any-
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I'm wondering if I can rule on them now,
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or would you like to have
time to think about it or are they
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going to be controversial?
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They're not your
honor, we have no objections.
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Is there-
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Is there anybody else who
has any hesitancy about me
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just granting all the
intervention motions now?
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Then that's what I'm gonna do.
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You're all admitted.
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Okay. The, the,
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the both cases have a request
for a good cause exception to
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the waive, the nodal
protocol about confidentiality,
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both ERCOT and Commission
staff have given what I think are,
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are good arguments based on
practical considerations for me
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to waive that.
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But I don't think either has
given me legal arguments as to
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how I have the legal
authority, authority to waive that.
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So what I'm going to ask, ERCOT,
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I would like a briefing- and it
doesn't have to be elaborate
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on what is my legal authority
to grant a good cause waiver
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of a nodal protocol requirement.
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And, and, and now how much
time do you need to do that?
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I think we can do that
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by end of the day on Friday.
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If that works for you, your honor.
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That, that's fine.
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Sure. That's fine.
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And then Commission staff,
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how much time do you need to respond?
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I'll tell you what,
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I'm just going to tell
you to do it on the third,
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and then I'm going to tell,
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and anybody else can
do it on the third day.
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I'm they have an order
memorializing this pre hearing
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conference, but are
you taking notes on that?
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So, so, and,
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and one of the things that'll
say is for ERCOT to provide
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briefing by the 30th
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and for staff and everybody else,
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staff must, and everybody else may
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provide briefing on the
same issue by the third.
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Schedule.
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So I can tell you that it will
be a Commission held hearing.
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I can tell you that it will
likely be during the week of
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August 23.
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And I can tell you that
there's a comm- Commission
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work session on the 26th.
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And there's ah, I don't know,
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a Quasi state holiday,
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the 27th is I think,
that'll be LBJ's birthday,
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and so that's like a
skeleton crew around here.
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So, that tells me that
the, the most likely,
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highly likely scenario, not certain,
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but I highly likely scenario
is there will be three days for
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a Commission held
hearing on both dockets.
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And that will be the 23rd
through the 25th of August.
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I, my understanding
is that that will be,
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the decision will be made certain
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at this week's open meeting.
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The Commission will
announce the-- announced that,
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but my suggestion to y'all is
to proceed on the assumption
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that,
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that's that's when the hearing
on the merits will happen.
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Yes, sir.
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Your honor,
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you said August 23rd,
that's about three weeks.
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Are we talk- should it be September?
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Are we really talking about August?
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We're really talking
about August 23.
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Okay.
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Thank you.
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Yes.
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For better for worse. So,
and as I say, I think you.
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I think you will hear an
announcement from the Commission on
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the, on the they're open
meeting on Thursday, the 29th,
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July 29th, confirming that.
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I believe.
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So. I suggest you
proceed on that assumption.
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It will necessitate-
That will necessitate
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reworking the schedules
that I've already issued and,
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and obviously working out a
schedule going forward from
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here.
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I have been working on the
assumption that maybe the most
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valuable thing coming out of
today would be that maybe we
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could recess and let y'all-
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y'all are all in a room
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and you can talk about
schedules going forward.
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Is that, has that been, are
y'all envisioning doing that?
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[Commission Staff] I
think we have to now.
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Okay.
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Your honor, may I
ask a clarifying question?
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So that, that August 23rd,
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that week for the hearing,
still envisioned a possible
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preliminary order addressing
the briefing order questions on
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August 19th?
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That's my understanding.
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Okay. Thank you.
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Sure.
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I also want to talk about
the request for a parallel-
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this parallel proceeding issue.
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Thanks for Commission
staff's briefing on it. Yesterday.
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I remain confused.
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Maybe everybody on the planet
remains confused about how all
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this is going to work,
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but as I read Commission staff briefing,
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there might be disagreement
about whether the opt out
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is a separate thing,
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but the process for
LSCs to demonstrate their
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eligibility and all that
might be part of this docket,
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is that what Commission
staff is envisioned.
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What Commission staff thinks
might be a contested issue in
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5, 2, 3, 2, 2 is what documentation
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an LSC needs to provide
in the parallel docket to
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substantiate its exposure.
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I don't know everybody
may, you know, once,
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once we get an order
to the briefing questions,
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which I think is probably the
more hotly contested issue
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then it, it may be perfunctory
to figure out what kind of
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documentation is needed.
I'm just not sure at this point.
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But, so, so you
are- I misread your,
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your pleading from
yesterday and, maybe I-
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you are envisioning that
separate proceeding deals
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with not only the opt-out,
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but also the quantification
of their correct exposure and-
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[Commission Staff] Correct.
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Okay. Okay. I did misread it.
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And you indicated that parallel
proceedings should be filed,
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but I'm still scratching
my head on by whom?
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Staff can open that proceeding.
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We did not want to be hasty
or put the cart before the
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horse, but yes, if we are
happy to initiate that docket.
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Okay.
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Okay. So- So what is
the party's pleasure?
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Would you all like to recess
our pre hearing conference and
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discuss schedule?
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And then perhaps,
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I don't know if it's too much
of hope that you might be able
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to come back with a new and
approved schedule that we could,
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we could get approved today,
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or is that pie in the sky
and you need more time.
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What's your pleasure?
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I think we can give
it a try, your honor.
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Maybe you give us 30
minutes and we'll see if we can
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come up.
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I'll give you as
much. I'm here all day.
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I'll give you as much time as you want.
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Okay.
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We will make an effort to get that done.
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Maybe talk about this,
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the logistics of this
separate procedure too.
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I think everybody's trying
to get their wrap their heads
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around that.
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So is there anything else
we need to discuss before we
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recess, then let's do that.
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We'll recess.
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And then will you just come-
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You or you or somebody come
get me when you're, whenever.
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Okay.
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We're back on the record after a recess.
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And sounds like the parties
are ready with some sort of
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announcement.
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Yes, your honor.
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So the parties have agreed
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the current deadlines
in order number one,
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through the July 30th
deadline for objections to
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ERCOT direct testimony
would stay the same.
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Intervener direct testimony.
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Do you have a- do you
have any of this written out or-
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Well, I have a clean copy
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that you can then fill in what I'm.
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That's good, that's good. Okay.
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So let's see through-
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Through the July 30th
deadline for deadline,
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for objections to
ERCOT direct testimony.
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Okay. Would remain unchanged?
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Yep.
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And the, and this is a schedule
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that would cover in both cases?
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Would be the same
schedule in both cases?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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The deadline for intervene
or direct testimony or a
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statement of position
would be August 12th.
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The deadline for Commission
staff duress direct to testimony
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is August 16th.
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The deadline for ERCOT rebuttal
testimony and a supplemental
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intervener's statement of position,
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depending on what the preliminary
order on August 19th says-
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Wait a second, so,
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ERCOT rebuttal-
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And an intervener
supplemental statement of position
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would be August 20th.
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And there would be no
cross rebuttal testimony.
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And then, we're not sure,
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we're not sure if this
would, and we'd have to,
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we did not talk about how to,
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how exactly to adjust
objections to testimony.
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So we might need to
adjust those, but we did,
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we did settle on briefing
proposed briefing deadlines.
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And I don't know if this
will jive with sort of the
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timeframe that you were given,
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but we were envisioning initial
briefs on September 3rd and
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reply briefs on September 10th.
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Okay. I, I'm not even sure
I'm prepared to put that in,
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in a,
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I think probably we'll resolve
that at the hearing on the,
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on the marriage when post
hearing briefing will be due.
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But, so, yeah, so the,
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the blank in this equation is
the blanks are the objections
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to testimony.
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Yes.
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So that's still being,
that's not agreed upon,
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We didn't discuss it.
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We didn't discuss that
your honor, but we, we,
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I think we probably can
reach some agreement on that.
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The one thing that I would
add to what Ms D'Ambrosio said
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was the statements of position
on the 12th for interveners
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is, is about everything
except the netting issue.
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The supplemental statement
of position on the 20th is
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restricted to party's
position on the netting issue-
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On the what issue?
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The netting, N E T T I N G.
Netting
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Question number
one, in the briefing order.
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The the Commission
will, we believe,
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will make a decision on
that on the 19th of August.
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Understood.
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And therefore parties will
have til the 20th to make a
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supplemental statement
of position on that issue.
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So. But that,
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and that's the sole purpose
of the supplemental statement?
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Yes, sir.
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Okay.
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And we also agreed
to, two procedural items,
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the first is that drafts
of testimony and emails,
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transmitting drafts of
testimony are not discoverable.
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And we'd also like to use
the service method that's used
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commonly in the Commissions matrix,
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matrix docket for setting the
ERCOT wholesale transmission
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rates, which is that service
or filing via the interchange
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constitutes service.
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And that way people won't
be getting lots and lots of
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service emails.
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Okay.
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Well, what do you wanna
do on these objections?
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Objection, deadlines.
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We haven't had an
opportunity to discuss this,
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but I think one thing you
could do is handle objections
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actually at the hearing.
If we needed to,
00:22:24.110 --> 00:22:26.360
since we have so little
time in the schedule,
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there may not be many obviously
pre pre hearing conference.
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If we want to take a
minute off the record-
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Let's do that.
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We'll go off the record.
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Here's, here's my understanding-
We're back on the record.
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And here's my understanding
of the agreement of the
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parties as to a schedule going forward.
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The schedule I've already entered
would be unchanged through
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July 30th and going forward from there,
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intervener direct testimony,
00:23:04.057 --> 00:23:07.136
the deadline for
intervener direct testimony
00:23:07.136 --> 00:23:12.136
and statements of position
would be due August 12th,
00:23:12.540 --> 00:23:14.874
Commission staff direct testimony
would be due August 16th,
00:23:14.874 --> 00:23:19.090
objections to intervener
testimony would also be due
00:23:19.090 --> 00:23:20.748
August 16th.
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The deadline for ERCOT
rebuttal testimony and well ERCOT
00:23:26.460 --> 00:23:29.663
rebuttal testimony
would be due August 20.
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There'd be no opportunity
for Commission staff
00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:36.803
and intervener cross rebuttal testimony.
00:23:38.070 --> 00:23:41.380
There would be a deadline
for a supplemental statement of
00:23:41.380 --> 00:23:42.527
position,
00:23:42.527 --> 00:23:46.680
and those supplemental
statements of position
00:23:46.680 --> 00:23:49.144
would only be allowed on
00:23:49.144 --> 00:23:52.410
the question raised by the
briefing order in and the docket
00:23:52.410 --> 00:23:54.820
ending in two, two.
00:23:54.820 --> 00:23:58.950
Those would be due by August
20 objections and Commission
00:23:58.950 --> 00:24:03.950
staff testimony would be due
by August 20 and objections to
00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:06.623
rebuttal testimony.
00:24:08.330 --> 00:24:10.430
There's not going to be
any cross rebuttal testimony.
00:24:10.430 --> 00:24:12.260
So objections to,
00:24:12.260 --> 00:24:16.460
ERCOTs rebuttal testimony
would be due at a pre hearing
00:24:16.460 --> 00:24:20.585
conference that will likely be
held on the morning of August
00:24:20.585 --> 00:24:21.693
23.
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And that's, as far as I can
go with the schedule right now,
00:24:27.390 --> 00:24:30.650
but that's, I will issue
an order to that effect,
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adopting that schedule.
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Thank you all for working on that.
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Is there any other matters?
00:24:37.429 --> 00:24:39.079
Well, is there anything
we need to discuss-
00:24:39.079 --> 00:24:40.850
Any kind of decisions or agreement
00:24:40.850 --> 00:24:44.063
that had been reached on
this parallel docket issue?
00:24:46.070 --> 00:24:49.720
Those discussions will be
ongoing, so not at this time.
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Fair enough. Anything else
we need to talk about today?
00:24:53.470 --> 00:24:55.550
Thank you all very
much. We're adjourned.
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Thank you, your honor.