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Gillian before we begin introductions,
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And just a thank you
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And I think we can
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After, yes, perfect, thank you.
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Okay, very good,
well welcome everyone.
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Sorry, we're starting a little bit late,
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but I'm sure we will make up time today.
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Wanted to just provide a concise hello
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and welcome to everyone to
the last quarterly low-income
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oversight Board meeting of 2021.
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By the end of this meeting,
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I think it will be two years of meetings
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in this virtual environment.
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And I know that that's going
to be our next one as well,
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but we're hoping that by
the spring or early summer,
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depending on how we schedule it,
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that we'll be able to see
each other in person again
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and go back to what used
to be normal and a little bit,
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have a better feeling than
it's wonderful to see everybody
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in a square box, but I miss
seeing people in person.
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So with that, I wanted to
pass it on to our assigned
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Commissioner, Commissioner
Shiroma for opening remarks,
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and then we'll proceed
with introductions
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with the rest of the Board.
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Thank you, good morning,
everyone chair, Delgado-Olson,
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fellow Board members,
indeed, as we come to the end
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of another year of both
opportunities and challenges,
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I want to take a few moments
just to thank each of you
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for your expertise, experience,
commitment to the sports
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and low-income community.
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This year, we've had some
major accomplishments,
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the Commission adopted
decisions to improve
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and take us to the next
level of the CARE program,
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which is the California
alternative rates for energy,
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the FERA program,
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family electric rate assistance
and the energy savings
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assistance program or ESA.
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The transition of
customers on payment plans
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to address the debt accumulated
from the COVID-19 pandemic.
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More recently, new programs
for CARE and easy customers
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to participate to help address
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the upcoming summer reliability.
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We've also embarked on
coordinating LIOB activities
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more closely with the
disadvantaged communities advisory
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group or DCA and the California
lifeline program committee,
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or ULTSAC, all towards
aligning efforts serving income,
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qualified customers and
disadvantaged communities.
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I thank each of you, this
work could not have been done
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without your advice and input.
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Turning to today's agenda,
the focus is to provide a status
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from the investor on
utilities, ongoing efforts
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to assist low-income customers
since the COVID 19 outbreak
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is Chair Delgado-Olsen
indicated, my gosh,
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we're entering two years.
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It's been a bit unreal,
but folks have been agile,
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they've been nimble and
looking to address the needs
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of the customers and
low-income communities.
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And one of these is a
new pilot to reduce electric
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and gas disconnections.
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It's called PIP, percentage
of income payment plan.
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It's another opportunity to
reduce those disconnections,
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to set utility bill payment
amounts at an affordable level
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and the investor owned
utilities seeking input today from
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this body on their PIP
proposals before submitting
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their advice letters to the
Commission due on February 4th.
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So we will hear their
presentations later this afternoon,
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the investor owned utilities
will also provide updates
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on their power safety.
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I'm sorry, yeah, power
safety, no public safety,
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power shutoffs, too many
acronyms, public safety,
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power shutoffs or PSPSs,
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and the impacts on
low income communities,
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the kinds of things that
are being used to mitigate
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those impacts, we'll hear
their update on the ESA
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program solicitations and funding.
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I do want to thank the
Energy Division staff
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for their efforts regarding
the ease of contracting funding
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and program solicitations
working with the IOUs
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towards increasing transparency,
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providing for that transition into 2022,
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very much appreciate the
efforts of this group, the LIOB
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of our chair and the
investor owned utilities
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since our last Board
meeting in September.
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And we will hear more
about those efforts.
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Also looking forward to
hearing from our colleague,
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Jason Wimbley, with the
California Department of Community
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Services and Development on
the low income weatherization
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and the California
Arrearage Payment program,
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or arrearage means folks
who fell behind in paying
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their energy bills.
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And Jason will talk about
the efforts to help mitigate that.
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We'll also hear from Roman
Partida-Lopez, Vice Chair
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with the disadvantaged
Communities Advisory Group
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on their activities, and
then from the Commission.
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I mean, we have a packed agenda today.
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And as you can see,
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we'll hear from our
Energy Divisions Ankit Jain
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and Jefferson Hancock
on a stack proposal
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on implementing affordability metrics,
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our very own Capell Kulkarni on
the CARE, FERA, ESA program
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cycle, summer reliability,
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and the low income
needs assessment arena.
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We'll hear from Water
Divisions via Kevin Truong
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on the customer assistance
program and conservation reports
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and an assembly bill activity.
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And then from our consumer
affairs branch, Rivender Manget
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offer the update on the
community health and awareness,
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natural gas and electric
services call or changes.
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And then we will hear from
Reverend Frank Jackson
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and from Village Solutions, a
community based organization,
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an ESA contractor who will
discuss serving the needs
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of low-income customers
in Southern California
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and always last but not least,
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I want to thank Gilligan Weaver,
our LIOB staff coordinator
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for yes, yes, indeed,
Gillian's work on coordinating
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this meeting, getting all
of the pieces put together
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and all of that behind the scenes work
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and have a meaningful meeting,
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with that back to you Chair,
Delgado-Olson, thank you.
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Thank you very much Commissioner
for your opening remarks.
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And I think Gillian, the next
slide has all of our Board
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members listed, right?
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Correct.
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And so we'll proceed
with introductions
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and having the Commissioner
and I already introduced
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ourselves, we'll pass it on
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to our vice chair, Maria Stamas.
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Thanks, Benito, good
morning, everyone.
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Vice Chair, Maria, and
also the public member.
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And looking forward to
the conversation today,
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I'm especially looking
forward to hearing updates
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on the Arrearage plans
and the CAPP program,
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and I'll pass it to Jason.
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Good morning, Jason Wimbley
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with the Department
of Community Services
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and Development, the department
representative to the Board,
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and I'm glad to be here today
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and I will pass it to Robert.
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Robert, I think you're on mute.
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Sorry about that,
yeah, good morning.
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We have a lot of items
today, the agenda is packed.
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However, there are certainly some issues
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that have come to my
attention in terms of the transition
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with ease program going
into actually to some degree,
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the end of this month in
the beginning of Q1 in 2022.
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And I know that we're
looking for some guidance
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as to where those particular items,
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at least at the very
least can be teed up
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as part of a further discussion
at impact to both customers
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and workers in the program.
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So I would ask the
chairman for his leadership
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and his guidance as to how
we structure that discussion.
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And having said that,
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I know that I had an
opportunity to speak to Pat Watts.
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She and I have had very
informative discussions
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in terms of the employment
issue and some of the things
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that clearly would impact
the ability to avoid workforce
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layoffs as well as program
disruptions, thank you.
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And I think Laurdes, you're
a Board member Medina.
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Good morning, all.
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(speaks in foreign language)
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I think that being on this
Board has really been a very
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important task in my life
and considering everything,
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every challenge that a
household goes through
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when we're talking about
low-income communities,
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whether it's a single
parent with children
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or a single parent adult with children
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and elders that care for,
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and that's just the
Raider life challenge.
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When we brought COVID on the
challenges became more acute,
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the behaviors of our companies
who are there to also offer
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customer service and to offer
also a mentality of prosperity
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and wanting to be with a
state where they do business,
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had to take CARE of its stain,
they CARE of its consumers.
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It's even more vital now,
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this Board, I am very
grateful for each one of you
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who brings a voice of
transparency and integrity.
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But above all I think is that
we know that we're working
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as a team, as a community
and as a one California,
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I keep pushing in wanting
to see us each more.
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When we get back in person
that we keep pushing to have
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community members
present at some degree,
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challenges are more acute now,
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even to be on a phone
call is challenging
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because parents getting
calls from their schools
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to either pick up their kids
because they're in contact
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tracer or whatever that thing
is called or for your employer
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telling you have to come in
right now because your coworker
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can not show up.
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Not having transportation,
so a lot of people are right now,
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their cars are being picked up
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because they can't pay their pass.
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So that here in the Central
Valley is a real challenge
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to even think about
our electricity or gas bill
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or that our house is not
equipped to maintain the heat,
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it's really, really stressful.
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So let's always keep that in mind,
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especially all our IOUs
who work for this IOUs
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and come on this
committee and listen to us,
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please do listen.
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Yes, you are paying a salary,
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but your will there because
you have a specialty.
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And I do wish that we all
always keep this in mind
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because the struggle is real, thank you.
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Thank you, Lourdes.
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Really appreciate your
comments this morning.
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Next member is Board member Watts.
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Good morning,
everyone, Pat Watts.
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I am president and CEO of FCI Management
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and I am the private
weatherization contractor
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representative on this Board.
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I take that role very
seriously because of this,
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the contractors that
make this program work
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and serve the community
and contractors often have
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many concerns and issues
that we have an opportunity
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to talk about today.
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And I hope that we will be
able to just enlighten everyone
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as to what some of those
challenges are for the contractors.
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Especially as we go through
this transition into our new ESA
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cycle, there are a lots of
concerns around solicitation
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process and timing.
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There are economic concerns
with what's happening today
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in the real world with cost.
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There are also some
concerns as we move forward
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as to retaining DBEs and
community-based organizations
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in this program.
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And so those are the
issues that contractors
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are concerned about.
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So I hope at some point in
time and maybe in item four,
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that we'll have an opportunity
to address those issues.
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And with that, I will
pass it on to Paul.
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Good morning, I'm Paul
Irwin, I'm a public member,
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I'm a executive housing
director of the North Fork,
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Rancheria Indian housing authority,
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look forward to today's
meeting and getting updates.
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We weren't able to
touch on it last quarter,
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but to also go over some
of the tribal outreach efforts
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and changes and the mini
grants and potential partnerships
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with tribes, so thank you.
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Good morning, LESA
Castilone, public member,
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and also a affiliated
with grid alternatives,
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inland empire tribal program manager
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and community development.
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I'm very thankful to be a part
of this Board and I'm looking
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forward to the presentations
today, thank you.
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Hi, good morning everyone.
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I'm Jeff Linam.
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I am the water utility
representative on this Board.
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It's a privilege to be part
of this Board and to serve
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our low-income customers in the state.
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And my focus is really how
do we design and implement
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the best programs to
serve our disadvantaged
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and low-income customers,
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and there's a lot going on right now.
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And so I look forward to
hearing the discussion today
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and providing any
insight that I can, thanks.
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All right, I am the last person
on the Board to introduce
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myself, good morning, everyone.
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My name is Jessica Lim.
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I am with Southern California Edison.
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I represent the electrical
and gas corporations
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on this Board, and I
just wanted to thank
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Commissioner Shiroma for
the perspective in her opening
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remarks about all of what
we've accomplished this year,
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really privileged to have
the electrical and gas
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corporations be a part of
administering such important
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programs, such as CARE, FERA and ESA,
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as well as being part of
administering these important bill
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relief programs as well.
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And so I also look forward
to today's discussion.
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Thank you so much.
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Okay, thank you
very much, everyone,
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for the introductions.
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We're gonna move on to item two,
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which is the approvals September
29th LIOB meeting minutes,
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opening it up for any discussion,
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if not happy to entertain
any motion to approve.
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Motion to approve.
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Okay, is there a second?
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I second.
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Okay, Gillian, would
you like to call the roll?
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Yes thank you, let me begin.
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Board Chair Delgado-Olson.
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I.
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Board Vice Chair, Stamas.
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I.
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Board member Windley.
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I.
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Board member of Medina.
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I.
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Board member Watts.
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I.
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Board member Irwin.
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Board member Castilone.
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I.
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Board member Linam.
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I.
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Board member Lim.
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I.
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And Commissioner Shiroma.
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Okay, did you call
Board member Castaneda?
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Oh, I did, I am so sorry,
Board number Castaneda.
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Thank you, Commissioner, I.
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I'm so sorry.
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And I'm also an I, thank you.
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All right, perfect, so the
meeting minutes are approved
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and we can move on to public comment.
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Okay, very good, and thank
you again for the hard work
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on the minutes, onto item
three, public comments,
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just a friendly reminder
that public comment
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is intended to provide an
opportunity for members
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of the public who wish to
address an item that is not
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on the agenda.
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Members of the Board are
not allowed to take any formal
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action on an item, not on the agenda,
00:21:05.290 --> 00:21:07.870
if possible, it is requested
to public comment,
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the limited to two minutes per speaker,
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and with that happy to
open it up to public comment
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and Gillian, I'll rely
on you to facilitate that.
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Yes, and before we
move into public comment,
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I just want to read
out some instructions.
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So for those who joined via WebEx,
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you can request to speak
using the raise hand button
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in your participant panel,
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or you can chat the host
and request to speak.
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If you're joining from the
phone line, English phone line
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on WebEx, you will press
star three to raise your hand.
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And then the host will unmute you
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when it's your time to comment.
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If you are on the Spanish line,
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please press star one and
state your name when prompted.
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And you'll be moved into a
queue to provide comment.
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So I can repeat those
instructions as needed
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if people are having any problems,
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but we do have one
request to comment already.
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So I will go ahead and begin,
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if the host could please
unmute Anna Solario.
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Anna Solario is now
in the participant list.
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Hi, good morning,
thank you for allowing me
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to make some public comments.
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Didn't know I was gonna be on,
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I just wanted to acknowledge
Commissioner Shiroma's
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leadership and direction.
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And as a result of some comments,
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ESA contractors made
last cycle last needy.
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And as a result, PG&E did
meet with ESA contractors
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and we were able to work out
some, PG&E was able to restore
00:23:17.585 --> 00:23:22.533
some funding to the beginning
of next year's ESA contract.
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And I'd like to acknowledge
Commissioner Shiroma's
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leadership in this and
Energy Division's assistance.
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So I know this is gonna
be a challenging year,
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there's gonna be a lot of changes.
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I think a lot of contractors
embrace the changes
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and see what better
service we can provide,
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low-income customers.
00:23:43.430 --> 00:23:47.163
I do want to bring up a
concern that is the ESA PRG
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the review group, that is the
procurement review group,
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that the membership specifically,
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it's very disconcerting who has
made the members of the PRG.
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I brought it up at a open public meeting
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that no people who work with low income
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or low income
communities are represented
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on that procurement group.
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And why that is concerning
is because one of the task
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of the procurement group
is to monitor the scope
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of the multifamily procurement process
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and solicitation process.
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So there are two groups
well-known to all of us,
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and they have legitimate views.
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They've been active
participants in the proceeding
00:24:38.370 --> 00:24:42.040
and that's National
Consumer Law Center, NRDC.
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They have strong opinions
about the multifamily portion
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of ESA, there was a public process.
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The ALJ decided the
Commissioner decided the scope,
00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:56.560
but what's concerning is that
this group is gonna monitor
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the scope and will have
influence on how PG&E
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specifically rolls out,
develops, establishes
00:25:01.809 --> 00:25:04.717
their multifamily program
and why that's concerning
00:25:04.717 --> 00:25:07.354
because there's no other
voice or counter voice
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or counter ideas per se will
be presented on that PRG.
00:25:12.567 --> 00:25:17.070
And while I anticipate good
faith on everybody's part,
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I do believe that should
be an open process,
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a transparent process.
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I did ask that certain
members be added during,
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there was a process where
we could add members
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that were community members
not associated with ESA,
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but that did not happen
through a variety of reasons.
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But so it's a concerning
thought it's concerning.
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I know it's not just my concern.
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I've heard from other
contractors have heard from other
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public members about
the lack of diversity,
00:25:47.350 --> 00:25:50.200
the lack of inclusion
on the review group.
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So what I would like to ask,
00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:56.120
and you can not take
any action at this meeting,
00:25:56.120 --> 00:26:00.887
but that any conversations
that are made between the PRG
00:26:01.790 --> 00:26:04.170
and PG&E be documented,
00:26:04.170 --> 00:26:07.310
I understand it's a
solicitation process, it's private,
00:26:07.310 --> 00:26:10.260
but after the fact there
should be transparency,
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and there should be acknowledgement
00:26:12.270 --> 00:26:16.020
if changes were made that
the direct direction of certain
00:26:16.020 --> 00:26:18.430
parties, because I think again,
00:26:18.430 --> 00:26:21.480
it needs to be an open process
and need to be a transparent
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process and this issue
is too important to be left
00:26:25.840 --> 00:26:28.253
to a small group of people to determine
00:26:28.253 --> 00:26:33.253
how Californians, low-income
Californians are treated.
00:26:34.070 --> 00:26:35.477
So thank you for indulging me
00:26:35.477 --> 00:26:38.263
and I appreciate the
opportunity to speak.
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Thank you, Anna,
Gillian, next speaker.
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And then just as a quick aside,
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I do believe PRG is within
item eight somewhere.
00:26:52.460 --> 00:26:55.460
So if members have questions about that,
00:26:55.460 --> 00:26:59.200
that's the points from the
agenda where that I believe
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there's something located about.
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Gillian, next speaker,
whenever you're ready.
00:27:05.130 --> 00:27:10.130
All right, so we have Jay
Thomas on the line as well.
00:27:11.070 --> 00:27:12.950
And I think due to his system,
00:27:12.950 --> 00:27:15.290
we're gonna have to
promote him to panelists
00:27:15.290 --> 00:27:16.463
so he can speak.
00:27:17.670 --> 00:27:19.470
Just want us to give you a heads up,
00:27:21.870 --> 00:27:26.240
so the host could, could
move Jay up so he can provide
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:28.440
his comment, that
would be great, thank you.
00:27:29.800 --> 00:27:32.023
This is Brendan with IT.
00:27:32.023 --> 00:27:33.680
Jay has now been promoted.
00:27:33.680 --> 00:27:35.923
Okay, so you should
be able to speak,
00:27:51.560 --> 00:27:54.810
Jay, are you able to speak, if you are,
00:27:54.810 --> 00:27:56.960
we can't hear you in
the meeting right now.
00:27:58.910 --> 00:28:01.270
Gillian I see him on
the panel, his roster,
00:28:01.270 --> 00:28:04.823
but it doesn't show any
connectivity to audio or visual.
00:28:08.230 --> 00:28:10.630
Right, which is, I think
why we had to promote him.
00:28:10.630 --> 00:28:14.083
But perhaps he's
joining in on the phone.
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:19.790
Jay, if you could shoot a chat to IT,
00:28:19.790 --> 00:28:23.233
if you're on the phone and
we can work offline on this.
00:28:25.600 --> 00:28:27.939
Also Anna Solarios's
mic is still hot.
00:28:27.939 --> 00:28:29.983
Okay, thank you.
00:28:33.990 --> 00:28:36.086
This is Brandon with IT.
00:28:36.086 --> 00:28:39.280
And we have seen that Jay
Thomas has connected his audio
00:28:40.290 --> 00:28:42.553
and would surely be able to speak.
00:28:50.820 --> 00:28:53.190
All right, Jay, it
looks like up there.
00:28:53.190 --> 00:28:54.390
I think you're un-muted.
00:28:55.230 --> 00:28:56.673
Yes, can you here me?
00:28:58.240 --> 00:28:59.390
Yes.
00:28:59.390 --> 00:29:01.110
Sorry about that.
00:29:01.110 --> 00:29:03.340
Again, my name is Jay Thomas.
00:29:03.340 --> 00:29:06.740
I'm with a company called
Energy Efficiency Resources.
00:29:06.740 --> 00:29:09.170
We're a supplier of appliances
for low-income programs
00:29:09.170 --> 00:29:11.210
in the Southern California area.
00:29:11.210 --> 00:29:13.710
Our primary client is
Southern California Edison.
00:29:13.710 --> 00:29:16.350
We've been involved
with prop supply apart
00:29:16.350 --> 00:29:19.287
for about 12 years now and in performing
00:29:19.287 --> 00:29:22.040
latent warranty issues.
00:29:22.040 --> 00:29:24.360
I'm sure everybody is probably
aware of by now that there's
00:29:24.360 --> 00:29:27.150
a supply chain crisis that is
affecting almost every aspect
00:29:27.150 --> 00:29:28.370
of our lives.
00:29:28.370 --> 00:29:30.070
That's a distributional
level we're experiencing
00:29:30.070 --> 00:29:32.740
unprecedented inflation,
raw material shortages
00:29:32.740 --> 00:29:36.210
and freight increases
because of rising fuel costs,
00:29:36.210 --> 00:29:38.230
just become a greater concern
because it has been brought
00:29:38.230 --> 00:29:40.550
to our attention that
there is a large reduction
00:29:40.550 --> 00:29:44.509
in the number of in 2022 forecast.
00:29:44.509 --> 00:29:47.043
This becomes problematic
because during the past 12 years,
00:29:47.043 --> 00:29:49.970
a very large scale leverage
purchasing power has been
00:29:49.970 --> 00:29:52.870
one of the key components
for manufacturing,
00:29:52.870 --> 00:29:55.150
a warehousing and delivery of product,
00:29:55.150 --> 00:29:57.190
accurate forecasting
with our manufacturers.
00:29:57.190 --> 00:30:00.540
It's enabled us to keep
the inventory stream flowing
00:30:00.540 --> 00:30:03.160
even during the pandemic
to the large number of units
00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:05.897
being purchased in past
performances with SCE,
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:10.170
this is now in jeopardy
because the forecast for this
00:30:10.170 --> 00:30:13.410
next year is calling for a
such a dramatic reduction
00:30:13.410 --> 00:30:16.730
that we won't any longer
have preferred status.
00:30:16.730 --> 00:30:18.790
That means price increases no guarantee
00:30:18.790 --> 00:30:21.550
for holding inventory, moving forward.
00:30:21.550 --> 00:30:23.900
Our freight costs have
always been absorbed
00:30:23.900 --> 00:30:26.090
by the manufacturer because
the bond allows to ship
00:30:26.090 --> 00:30:27.790
in truckload quantities.
00:30:27.790 --> 00:30:30.795
Less units means
mostly partial shipments,
00:30:30.795 --> 00:30:35.210
which incur freight costs that
will now have to be passed on
00:30:35.210 --> 00:30:37.340
buying power has
always been his for mental
00:30:37.340 --> 00:30:40.790
and maintaining cost
effectiveness for the measurement.
00:30:40.790 --> 00:30:45.040
Our business will be currently
impacted also by this change,
00:30:45.040 --> 00:30:48.040
I'll lose a third to half of
my staff budget calculations
00:30:48.040 --> 00:30:50.600
will have to do, that'd
be done to reassess,
00:30:50.600 --> 00:30:52.170
our direction forward.
00:30:52.170 --> 00:30:55.470
My warehouse and Casper
capability will have to be downsized
00:30:55.470 --> 00:30:58.889
because of the cost associated
with reducing inventory.
00:30:58.889 --> 00:31:02.010
This will affect our
manufacturers as well,
00:31:02.010 --> 00:31:04.560
because there could
possibly be layoffs of staff
00:31:04.560 --> 00:31:05.720
because of reduction.
00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:07.240
They're already
experiencing labor shortages
00:31:07.240 --> 00:31:08.690
across the Board.
00:31:08.690 --> 00:31:11.830
And this could exacerbate an
already a significant problem.
00:31:11.830 --> 00:31:14.370
Everyone from my
business to the manufacturers
00:31:14.370 --> 00:31:17.040
to the truck drivers will be impacted.
00:31:17.040 --> 00:31:19.600
The greatest impact
to the law customers.
00:31:19.600 --> 00:31:22.040
Appliance technologies
are constantly changing,
00:31:22.040 --> 00:31:24.730
sear ratings for HBAC,
energy efficiency standards
00:31:24.730 --> 00:31:28.380
for refrigerators and energy
efficient fans and motors
00:31:28.380 --> 00:31:30.490
and water reduction
for evaporative coolers.
00:31:30.490 --> 00:31:32.063
Cutting back at this time,
00:31:32.063 --> 00:31:34.273
or products are needed
now more than ever.
00:31:35.220 --> 00:31:36.520
The greatest impact though,
00:31:36.520 --> 00:31:39.599
it could be felt by the
contractors layout widespread
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:41.540
because of reduced number of appliances,
00:31:41.540 --> 00:31:43.120
installers warehouse workers,
00:31:43.120 --> 00:31:45.730
clinical staff will all
be greatly impacted.
00:31:45.730 --> 00:31:48.107
Lastly, once the forecasted
numbers are good
00:31:48.107 --> 00:31:51.670
and the manufacturers
any on schedule increases
00:31:51.670 --> 00:31:54.320
will be very difficult to
accommodate moving forward.
00:31:54.320 --> 00:31:56.540
These numbers we locked in for the year
00:31:56.540 --> 00:31:58.420
and with the current shortages,
00:31:58.420 --> 00:32:02.050
they'll be no guarantee of
product for the seeable future.
00:32:02.050 --> 00:32:04.450
So again, thank you for allowing
me to make my comments.
00:32:04.450 --> 00:32:05.283
I appreciate it.
00:32:08.390 --> 00:32:10.650
Thank you, Jay,
for your comments.
00:32:10.650 --> 00:32:12.963
Gillian, next speaker, please.
00:32:12.963 --> 00:32:16.233
So the next speaker is Paul R.
00:32:18.760 --> 00:32:21.773
and you should be able to
unmute yourself and speak.
00:32:25.500 --> 00:32:26.400
Can you hear me?
00:32:27.610 --> 00:32:30.050
Yes, can.
00:32:30.050 --> 00:32:32.763
Let's see if I can get
my camera to, look at that.
00:32:33.920 --> 00:32:36.179
Well, good morning Board members.
00:32:36.179 --> 00:32:38.070
Thank you for your time.
00:32:38.070 --> 00:32:40.670
My name is Paul Braille,
00:32:40.670 --> 00:32:43.543
I'm the President of Clinical
Appliance Distributors.
00:32:44.640 --> 00:32:48.083
One of the suppliers
to California Edison,
00:32:50.580 --> 00:32:53.830
currently a distributor of
residential kitchen appliances.
00:32:53.830 --> 00:32:58.663
And most specifically
frigidaire brand of refrigerators,
00:32:59.514 --> 00:33:03.320
we've appreciated that the
opportunity to supply low income
00:33:03.320 --> 00:33:05.763
program with energy star refrigerators.
00:33:07.700 --> 00:33:11.270
In order to maintain a
smooth supply of refrigerators
00:33:11.270 --> 00:33:16.270
for the program, we have
rented additional large warehouse
00:33:16.800 --> 00:33:21.380
space and hire additional
staff to manage the storage
00:33:21.380 --> 00:33:25.303
and delivery of these
refrigerators to the program.
00:33:26.310 --> 00:33:30.210
We're purposely storing
large quantities of fridges
00:33:30.210 --> 00:33:32.943
from high volume or
displays throughout the year.
00:33:33.940 --> 00:33:37.380
In order to meet the two
week shipping requirements
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:42.570
of the program, should
the program be cut back
00:33:42.570 --> 00:33:45.500
or reduced in volume?
00:33:45.500 --> 00:33:48.410
We will not be able to justify
the additional warehouse
00:33:48.410 --> 00:33:53.310
space and the extra
workers or high volume orders
00:33:53.310 --> 00:33:56.630
to remain a priority
for Frigidaire is limited
00:33:56.630 --> 00:34:01.530
manufacturing quota, all kinds
of impacts and manufacturing,
00:34:01.530 --> 00:34:06.090
we have trips, shortages,
truck shortages.
00:34:06.090 --> 00:34:10.321
The list goes on right
to the like two minutes.
00:34:10.321 --> 00:34:14.880
So I just wanted to
thank you all for your time.
00:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.850
And we look forward to a smooth
00:34:17.850 --> 00:34:20.820
and successful 22, thank you.
00:34:24.497 --> 00:34:27.873
Thank you for your
comments, Gillian next speaker.
00:34:30.380 --> 00:34:32.790
At this time, I do
not have anyone else.
00:34:32.790 --> 00:34:34.773
Oh yes, there is someone else.
00:34:35.810 --> 00:34:40.590
If the host could please unmute Mike M.
00:34:46.980 --> 00:34:49.240
great Mike, you should be able to speak.
00:34:49.240 --> 00:34:51.543
Morning, hear me?
00:34:52.890 --> 00:34:53.723
Yes, we can.
00:34:53.723 --> 00:34:55.220
Okay, thank
you, good morning,
00:34:55.220 --> 00:34:56.680
my name is Mike Malki.
00:34:56.680 --> 00:35:00.420
I am the national sales
manager for Champion Cooler
00:35:00.420 --> 00:35:01.730
and STK Products.
00:35:01.730 --> 00:35:05.020
We manufacture residential
and commercial evaporative
00:35:05.020 --> 00:35:08.980
coolers, and we also
manufacture a specific cooler
00:35:08.980 --> 00:35:12.215
for the California Edison,
a low-income program.
00:35:12.215 --> 00:35:17.215
I just was asked to speak
on behalf of the low-income
00:35:17.340 --> 00:35:20.620
program and the funding
explaining what some of the supply
00:35:20.620 --> 00:35:23.693
chain issues that we've
seen over the last year.
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.310
As we're living in
unprecedented times during
00:35:28.310 --> 00:35:32.275
the COVID-19 pandemic and
how it has affected so many of our
00:35:32.275 --> 00:35:36.240
lives and professions,
the impact of raw materials
00:35:36.240 --> 00:35:39.020
and transportation costs
have severely effected
00:35:39.020 --> 00:35:40.280
our cost of goods.
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:44.170
Along with the challenges that
we've seen with the pandemic
00:35:44.170 --> 00:35:46.513
and our workforce
numbers over the last year,
00:35:48.024 --> 00:35:51.760
there are new new
efficiencies and cost cutting
00:35:51.760 --> 00:35:54.600
and purchasing activities,
we have done our very best
00:35:54.600 --> 00:35:59.300
to mitigate these rising costs,
but over the last 10 months,
00:35:59.300 --> 00:36:01.990
we have seen huge
increases in our supply chain,
00:36:01.990 --> 00:36:06.820
25 to 30% increases in
steel that we manufactured
00:36:06.820 --> 00:36:10.990
our coolers to Edison,
15 to 20% increases
00:36:10.990 --> 00:36:15.398
in plastic polypropylene
for our winter coolers.
00:36:15.398 --> 00:36:18.811
Ocean freight costs
obviously have skyrocketed
00:36:18.811 --> 00:36:22.970
over this time as well as we
get our components from China
00:36:23.990 --> 00:36:26.860
and especially container
availability is a big concern
00:36:26.860 --> 00:36:30.627
with lead times for these
products that we sell,
00:36:30.627 --> 00:36:34.160
where we're seeing long
lead times of six to eight
00:36:34.160 --> 00:36:35.660
additional weeks on the water.
00:36:36.910 --> 00:36:39.060
Obviously we continue
to do everything possible
00:36:39.060 --> 00:36:42.420
to minimize manufacturing
costs without affecting quality.
00:36:42.420 --> 00:36:47.420
But these increases have been
pushed on to our customers.
00:36:49.540 --> 00:36:52.720
We continue to look
at everything we can,
00:36:52.720 --> 00:36:55.460
but obviously you've
got cooling is essential
00:36:55.460 --> 00:36:57.180
for these low-income programs.
00:36:57.180 --> 00:37:02.120
As we continue to see electricity
prices increase over time.
00:37:02.120 --> 00:37:05.280
I just want to thank
everybody for your time as well.
00:37:05.280 --> 00:37:09.472
And hopefully we can continue
to move through this pandemic
00:37:09.472 --> 00:37:11.863
as a group, thank you.
00:37:16.620 --> 00:37:19.350
Thank you for your
comments, appreciate it.
00:37:19.350 --> 00:37:21.113
Gillian, any other speakers?
00:37:23.110 --> 00:37:27.510
I do not have any other
speakers in the queue.
00:37:27.510 --> 00:37:30.678
Could it confirm that no
one else has requested
00:37:30.678 --> 00:37:33.573
to speak in the chat.
00:37:38.569 --> 00:37:39.900
Brandon with IT,
00:37:39.900 --> 00:37:41.960
and I can confirm that no one else
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:44.710
has been requested to speak.
00:37:44.710 --> 00:37:49.710
Okay, thank you, and then I
want to check on the Spanish
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:52.890
phone line to see if we
have any commenters
00:37:52.890 --> 00:37:54.403
on the Spanish line.
00:37:55.900 --> 00:37:57.403
Any questions or comments?
00:38:03.996 --> 00:38:06.530
All right, I just got
confirmation that there are no
00:38:06.530 --> 00:38:09.240
comments on the Spanish line, so,
00:38:09.240 --> 00:38:11.073
oh, there is one more hand raised.
00:38:12.080 --> 00:38:17.053
However, John H. if the
host could please unmute him.
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:28.900
All right, John, you
should be able to speak.
00:38:28.900 --> 00:38:30.120
(indistinct)
00:38:30.120 --> 00:38:31.170
Yes.
00:38:31.170 --> 00:38:33.580
Very good, my
name's John (indistinct),
00:38:33.580 --> 00:38:36.820
I'm the District Manager Allied Air.
00:38:36.820 --> 00:38:41.710
We supply the program with residential
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:47.140
air conditioning and heat
pump units for the low income.
00:38:47.140 --> 00:38:49.390
And just wanted to give you an update,
00:38:49.390 --> 00:38:54.390
we've set up a nice process
on delivering even through
00:38:54.780 --> 00:38:58.220
the last two years of the
pandemic and the issues
00:38:58.220 --> 00:39:00.303
that we've all encountered.
00:39:01.494 --> 00:39:05.260
And just give you an update
that we continue to have
00:39:05.260 --> 00:39:07.420
the process to support this program.
00:39:07.420 --> 00:39:09.420
It's been very beneficial.
00:39:09.420 --> 00:39:11.880
I know for the low-income homeowners,
00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:15.787
I'm getting conditioned
air and heat when needed
00:39:15.787 --> 00:39:19.810
and changing out
units that are antiquated
00:39:19.810 --> 00:39:24.810
and in need of repair, so
they do the change outs,
00:39:25.470 --> 00:39:26.990
just a couple of keynotes.
00:39:26.990 --> 00:39:31.840
We all know the supply chain
issues we've had increases
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:36.840
and raw materials, upwards of 87 to 97%.
00:39:40.260 --> 00:39:44.960
We all know that labor has
been an issue over the years,
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:49.660
our CEO and his third quarter comments
00:39:49.660 --> 00:39:54.660
to the shareholders stated
that the global supply chain
00:39:56.280 --> 00:40:00.490
and COVID-19 disruptions to
production and our labor force
00:40:00.490 --> 00:40:04.817
material impact financial
performances looking had the,
00:40:06.105 --> 00:40:09.322
for the company overall
demand remains strong.
00:40:09.322 --> 00:40:13.150
A global supply chain,
bottlenecks and shortages
00:40:13.150 --> 00:40:16.440
are expected or not
expected to be resolved soon.
00:40:16.440 --> 00:40:19.880
And COVID-19 adds
more complexity to the labor
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:21.240
and production disruption.
00:40:21.240 --> 00:40:26.240
So as we look at 2022 and any
changes we would need to know
00:40:30.140 --> 00:40:35.140
as we've set up supply
processes to get the products
00:40:37.350 --> 00:40:39.760
to the needed people through Edison.
00:40:39.760 --> 00:40:44.080
So that was just the
comments that we did
00:40:44.080 --> 00:40:46.133
from the Air conditioning side.
00:40:50.510 --> 00:40:51.510
Thank you very much.
00:40:53.720 --> 00:40:55.440
Thank you for your
comments this morning.
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:58.383
Gillian, any other speakers
for public comment?
00:41:00.850 --> 00:41:04.610
No, there is no
one else in the queue
00:41:04.610 --> 00:41:06.143
to provide competent.
00:41:07.200 --> 00:41:08.363
Okay, very good.
00:41:09.290 --> 00:41:13.700
We'll move on then to item four,
00:41:13.700 --> 00:41:18.300
which is the joint investor
owned utility status reports
00:41:18.300 --> 00:41:20.870
as has been the norm
for quite some time,
00:41:20.870 --> 00:41:22.320
rather than a presentation,
00:41:22.320 --> 00:41:25.200
we're gonna open it up
for questions and comments
00:41:25.200 --> 00:41:26.500
from members of the Board.
00:41:27.450 --> 00:41:30.780
Before we do so in light of public,
00:41:30.780 --> 00:41:33.260
some of the public
comments we just heard,
00:41:33.260 --> 00:41:38.003
and also just as an update,
the colleagues, I will say,
00:41:38.990 --> 00:41:43.427
I have received a number of
inquiries from the contractor,
00:41:43.427 --> 00:41:46.527
community suppliers and so
forth expressing their concerns
00:41:46.527 --> 00:41:51.527
and also just requests for some clarity.
00:41:52.310 --> 00:41:55.240
And I know that this
has taken up some time
00:41:55.240 --> 00:41:57.650
from our previous meetings.
00:41:57.650 --> 00:42:01.880
So I wanted to just
share that I did reach out
00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:04.200
to representatives of the other IOUs,
00:42:04.200 --> 00:42:08.350
just to kind of inquire
about three questions
00:42:08.350 --> 00:42:11.410
that were prevalent in
feedback we received
00:42:11.410 --> 00:42:14.370
at these meetings and that
I've received through email
00:42:14.370 --> 00:42:19.370
and phone communication,
namely of, a lot of people
00:42:20.210 --> 00:42:22.330
were quite pleased
with the responsiveness
00:42:22.330 --> 00:42:24.360
from RHA and PG&E
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:27.873
following their all hands
meeting contractors.
00:42:28.759 --> 00:42:31.570
And so that prompted
questions of do the other utilities
00:42:31.570 --> 00:42:34.973
have this sort of all hands meetings.
00:42:35.860 --> 00:42:40.580
Do the utilities have the
ability to add or restore
00:42:40.580 --> 00:42:44.310
any funding if there are
cuts and do they know of any
00:42:44.310 --> 00:42:47.190
workforce reductions
at this point in time
00:42:47.190 --> 00:42:50.080
or expect any in the future?
00:42:50.080 --> 00:42:54.220
And so I shared those
questions earlier in the week
00:42:54.220 --> 00:42:55.743
with representatives
of each of the IOUs,
00:42:55.743 --> 00:42:59.000
just to get some of their
responses and to add some clarity
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:02.310
to the discussion at the onset.
00:43:02.310 --> 00:43:06.140
And what I can share
of course is from PG&E.
00:43:06.140 --> 00:43:09.894
We're aware of the
response from them in RHA.
00:43:09.894 --> 00:43:11.610
And according to them,
00:43:11.610 --> 00:43:14.155
they're not aware of
any workforce reductions
00:43:14.155 --> 00:43:18.010
since making that adjustment
of additional funding
00:43:18.010 --> 00:43:23.010
to the ESA budget for 2022,
SDG&E shared that they do
00:43:23.510 --> 00:43:26.930
hold these quarterly
contracts meetings as well,
00:43:26.930 --> 00:43:30.530
and that they're authorized
funding increased from 2021
00:43:30.530 --> 00:43:34.250
and that they allocated
program funds last June
00:43:34.250 --> 00:43:37.860
for contractors through
program year 2022.
00:43:37.860 --> 00:43:42.070
And that they're also not aware
of any workforce reductions
00:43:42.070 --> 00:43:45.726
due to the 2022 ESA
program budget this time.
00:43:45.726 --> 00:43:48.920
SoCalGas shared that they
conduct all hands meetings
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:50.710
with their contractors.
00:43:50.710 --> 00:43:53.320
The most recent was
a network opportunity
00:43:53.320 --> 00:43:56.360
on the 19th of October.
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:59.250
And they also, of course,
as all IOUs to meet
00:43:59.250 --> 00:44:03.550
with their contractors
individually to discuss
00:44:03.550 --> 00:44:06.696
funding allocations for 2022.
00:44:06.696 --> 00:44:10.160
SoCalGas also shared
they plan to allocate virtually
00:44:10.160 --> 00:44:12.607
all of its contractor related
budget as authorized,
00:44:12.607 --> 00:44:15.300
and the decision for the 2022 year.
00:44:15.300 --> 00:44:18.650
And in that their conversations
with their contractors,
00:44:18.650 --> 00:44:21.402
they haven't heard of any
specific workforce reductions
00:44:21.402 --> 00:44:25.890
at this time, SE excuse me,
00:44:25.890 --> 00:44:29.100
Southern California Edison
responded that they also hold
00:44:29.100 --> 00:44:32.860
quarterly contractor virtual meetings,
00:44:32.860 --> 00:44:36.530
that they have plans to
commit open work from 2021
00:44:36.530 --> 00:44:39.610
to supplement contractor work in 2022.
00:44:39.610 --> 00:44:43.360
And we'll communicate the
2022 forecast to contractors
00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:46.980
the email with follow up
individual meetings as requested,
00:44:46.980 --> 00:44:49.610
and that they're not aware
of any workforce reductions
00:44:49.610 --> 00:44:53.350
due to the 2022 ESA program budget.
00:44:53.350 --> 00:44:57.820
And so those are responses
from each of the IOUs.
00:44:57.820 --> 00:45:00.240
I think one minor clarification
00:45:01.623 --> 00:45:03.450
for Southern California
Edison would just be,
00:45:03.450 --> 00:45:07.160
if those meetings with
contractors are ever all hands
00:45:07.160 --> 00:45:09.530
similar to PG&E and some of the others,
00:45:09.530 --> 00:45:13.300
'cause I know that's
what seem to provide
00:45:13.300 --> 00:45:16.180
a good opportunity for feedback.
00:45:16.180 --> 00:45:18.140
And then the other question
I would just have to the other,
00:45:18.140 --> 00:45:21.760
IOU is just to confirm that
everything I stated was true
00:45:21.760 --> 00:45:24.530
because there are dates to
misrepresent your responses
00:45:24.530 --> 00:45:26.740
and create confusion.
00:45:26.740 --> 00:45:29.990
So, and then also just thank
you for being so responsive.
00:45:29.990 --> 00:45:33.560
I sent these out on a Monday
and by the end of yesterday
00:45:33.560 --> 00:45:35.333
had responses, so appreciate it,
00:45:36.340 --> 00:45:40.660
but that's where it's at right now.
00:45:40.660 --> 00:45:45.660
So with that context, I'm
happy to open it up to questions
00:45:45.790 --> 00:45:48.060
and comments from members of the Board
00:45:49.430 --> 00:45:52.280
and would also
respectfully ask just Edison
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:53.770
for that one clarification
00:45:53.770 --> 00:45:58.770
on other contracting meeting structure.
00:46:00.030 --> 00:46:03.430
So we do have all
hands virtual meetings,
00:46:03.430 --> 00:46:08.410
but if we're talking about
individual contract terms
00:46:08.410 --> 00:46:10.250
and condition rates,
00:46:10.250 --> 00:46:14.730
those are then on a one-on-one
basis with specific vendors.
00:46:14.730 --> 00:46:19.301
So if it's a general training
information about program
00:46:19.301 --> 00:46:22.763
updates, then we conduct those.
00:46:23.620 --> 00:46:27.740
We discuss those topics
during our quarterly all hands
00:46:27.740 --> 00:46:30.240
meetings, but in their virtual.
00:46:30.240 --> 00:46:32.983
But if it's an individual
contract discussion,
00:46:32.983 --> 00:46:36.483
then we meet with an
individual vendor or contractor.
00:46:39.070 --> 00:46:41.470
Okay, thank you for
the clarification, Eugene.
00:46:43.300 --> 00:46:46.870
And with that, happy to
open it up to questions,
00:46:46.870 --> 00:46:48.870
comments from members
of the Board on this.
00:46:48.870 --> 00:46:52.160
And of course the
presentation put together,
00:46:52.160 --> 00:46:55.020
but IOU, Commissioner
did I see your hand up?
00:46:57.047 --> 00:47:01.900
I'm not sure how many
folks are signing on strictly
00:47:01.900 --> 00:47:05.320
who the phone and she
only, we have the slide deck
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:09.680
on our website, but I
think it would be helpful
00:47:09.680 --> 00:47:14.680
if each utility just
gave a two minute over,
00:47:14.933 --> 00:47:19.933
very brief overview of
what they are doing for,
00:47:21.580 --> 00:47:22.930
we're in December now,
00:47:22.930 --> 00:47:27.123
we're going to be entering
the 2022 great very soon,
00:47:28.380 --> 00:47:32.880
there's new effective July 1st,
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:37.880
which increases the pool of
homes that will qualify for ESA
00:47:39.150 --> 00:47:44.123
from 200% of poverty to 250% of poverty.
00:47:46.378 --> 00:47:51.378
There will be work underway
towards folding that in
00:47:52.120 --> 00:47:54.180
that's ahead of us.
00:47:54.180 --> 00:47:59.180
But that will be an increase
in the number of homes
00:47:59.380 --> 00:48:01.560
that will be included.
00:48:01.560 --> 00:48:06.320
So again, for our listening audience,
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:09.300
not doing audience, I think
less depart from just simply
00:48:09.300 --> 00:48:14.300
bringing up questions and
have each utility give an overview
00:48:14.680 --> 00:48:15.520
of what they're doing.
00:48:15.520 --> 00:48:17.520
I know we hear a little bit from Edison,
00:48:18.389 --> 00:48:22.760
but 'cause not ever can see
the chat where the utilities
00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:27.173
you're saying, yes, chairman
your summary is correct.
00:48:29.410 --> 00:48:31.410
All right, so whoever wants to go first.
00:48:35.110 --> 00:48:36.720
Commissioner, I
could probably go first.
00:48:36.720 --> 00:48:40.150
This is Eugene from
Southern California Edison.
00:48:40.150 --> 00:48:42.800
So in terms of this year,
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:46.320
we are actually operating
in pre pandemic levels.
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:51.320
In fact, it's been, we did
a lot of ramp up on our
00:48:51.870 --> 00:48:56.064
productivity from various
contractors and you are very close
00:48:56.064 --> 00:49:01.060
to maybe exceeding
80,000 homes this year.
00:49:01.060 --> 00:49:04.725
And I know that there is
this new legislation that allows
00:49:04.725 --> 00:49:09.725
the ESA program to expand
eligibility to our ESA customers.
00:49:10.900 --> 00:49:15.900
And that's like 250% of FPL.
00:49:16.450 --> 00:49:21.180
And I think it's a great
opportunity to increase our number
00:49:21.180 --> 00:49:24.230
of home treated, but at the same time,
00:49:24.230 --> 00:49:29.050
there are limitations that
we're seeing right now.
00:49:29.050 --> 00:49:34.050
So first off, SCE
receive a significant cut
00:49:34.300 --> 00:49:36.320
in our budgets for 2022.
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:37.260
It's a big difference.
00:49:37.260 --> 00:49:41.500
So in 2021, you're looking
at an 80 million budget
00:49:41.500 --> 00:49:46.350
and in 2022, you're
looking at around 58 million
00:49:46.350 --> 00:49:49.810
and we've heard all the
far contractor concerns
00:49:49.810 --> 00:49:51.420
and we're addressing those.
00:49:51.420 --> 00:49:55.020
One of the things that
we're doing at least for 2021,
00:49:55.020 --> 00:49:59.851
is looking at whatever
amount of funds that we think
00:49:59.851 --> 00:50:03.010
is going to be unspent this year.
00:50:03.010 --> 00:50:06.770
And we're continuing to
assign every single dollar
00:50:06.770 --> 00:50:08.880
to contractors so we could utilize
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:10.910
all of the funding this year.
00:50:10.910 --> 00:50:15.340
Another area that we're
we're looking at is we do have
00:50:15.340 --> 00:50:19.986
unspent dollars, which heard
the decision is supposed to be
00:50:19.986 --> 00:50:24.986
used offset future
funding levels for 2022.
00:50:26.600 --> 00:50:28.940
We're trying to explore
if we could utilize
00:50:28.940 --> 00:50:32.920
that to supplement
additional work in 2022,
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:35.380
instead of offsetting current work.
00:50:35.380 --> 00:50:39.530
And I believe PG&E,
we will be in discussion
00:50:39.530 --> 00:50:42.870
with PG&E and trying to
leverage what they have done
00:50:42.870 --> 00:50:45.700
to increase their budget for 2022.
00:50:45.700 --> 00:50:50.060
But overall our contractors
have been informed
00:50:50.060 --> 00:50:52.880
that our budgets are a
lot lower and our targets
00:50:52.880 --> 00:50:55.483
are lower just based on the disposition.
00:50:55.483 --> 00:50:58.060
But we are looking at
avenues to make sure
00:50:58.060 --> 00:51:00.080
that we can increase those,
00:51:00.080 --> 00:51:04.575
considering that we have more
customers who will be eligible
00:51:04.575 --> 00:51:09.380
for the program come
mid 2022, thank you.
00:51:21.560 --> 00:51:23.570
Commissioner, did
you want the other?
00:51:23.570 --> 00:51:27.440
Yes, PG&E San Diego
gas electric and SoCalGas
00:51:29.990 --> 00:51:31.040
again, in that order.
00:51:38.100 --> 00:51:39.900
Is there a staff from PG&E,
00:51:41.830 --> 00:51:45.113
we're able to respond
to the Commissioner?
00:51:50.710 --> 00:51:54.273
And I'm looking at
slide 25 in the slide deck.
00:51:58.080 --> 00:51:59.320
Okay.
00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:02.343
Which is the ESA contractor
funding update that table.
00:52:10.560 --> 00:52:12.029
Hi Benito.
00:52:12.029 --> 00:52:15.293
Also, for Eugene,
00:52:16.890 --> 00:52:20.260
maybe we don't have results right now,
00:52:20.260 --> 00:52:22.233
but about your budget.
00:52:31.210 --> 00:52:36.210
Well, okay, we're
gonna have to just look at
00:52:38.661 --> 00:52:40.093
that going forward.
00:52:41.430 --> 00:52:44.633
All right, back to the other utilities.
00:52:46.690 --> 00:52:51.000
I think I see Mary O'Drain
promoted the panelists.
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:52.310
Perhaps we could go PG&E.
00:52:56.020 --> 00:52:58.660
So I can give a
high level overview.
00:52:58.660 --> 00:53:01.820
The program manager is not on the call,
00:53:01.820 --> 00:53:06.770
but basically at this
moment that the numbers
00:53:06.770 --> 00:53:11.770
that you're seeing in the
slide deck that's as of October.
00:53:13.160 --> 00:53:18.160
So, it's a little bit behind
where we actually are.
00:53:18.830 --> 00:53:22.610
We're expecting to, and
I know home's treated
00:53:22.610 --> 00:53:27.610
as no longer our goal, but
it's a number two to tell you
00:53:28.790 --> 00:53:32.670
where we are right now at,
we expect to achieve a neat
00:53:32.670 --> 00:53:36.423
about a 100,000 homes
in total in the ESA program,
00:53:38.140 --> 00:53:42.610
which is let's see, so.
00:53:42.610 --> 00:53:45.094
Mary, and I could fill in,
00:53:45.094 --> 00:53:46.830
so this is Neil apologies.
00:53:46.830 --> 00:53:51.190
I'm having a camera issue,
but so PG needs to end the year.
00:53:51.190 --> 00:53:55.490
We have our 50,000 homes
treated for bridge funding,
00:53:55.490 --> 00:53:59.780
which we met, we treated 53,000
and we have the similar goal
00:53:59.780 --> 00:54:04.058
for the second half of
this year also 50,000.
00:54:04.058 --> 00:54:08.310
We will most likely fall
short of that by a couple,
00:54:08.310 --> 00:54:12.450
maybe 3000 units, but
we, for what it's worth,
00:54:12.450 --> 00:54:16.150
we expect to treat a 1000 homes
00:54:16.150 --> 00:54:20.760
for the year overall, just
we would not meet the exact
00:54:20.760 --> 00:54:24.300
splits will be over for the first half
00:54:24.300 --> 00:54:28.590
and under for the second
half, but put together,
00:54:28.590 --> 00:54:30.630
we expect to be at the 100,000.
00:54:39.382 --> 00:54:40.410
And if you wouldn't mind, Neil,
00:54:40.410 --> 00:54:42.090
just a very brief description
00:54:42.090 --> 00:54:45.672
of your education training outreach.
00:54:45.672 --> 00:54:50.672
The contractors just being
kind of held up, held on high.
00:54:51.770 --> 00:54:56.770
I held up high as the
model for the other utilities.
00:55:01.970 --> 00:55:04.713
I'm sorry, Commissioner,
could you repeat that?
00:55:05.746 --> 00:55:09.911
What outreach and
training and education efforts
00:55:09.911 --> 00:55:13.010
you're doing for the contractors
00:55:13.010 --> 00:55:16.067
for the folks who are going to be
00:55:16.943 --> 00:55:21.671
continuing the program and
who are going to be competing
00:55:21.671 --> 00:55:24.383
for this next phase.
00:55:27.210 --> 00:55:30.500
So we continue to
meet with contractors
00:55:30.500 --> 00:55:35.500
to educate them on the
new measures that will be put
00:55:35.520 --> 00:55:40.410
in place for the program,
what the parameters are
00:55:40.410 --> 00:55:43.530
as far as the needs
states in the new program,
00:55:43.530 --> 00:55:48.470
updating them on the additional
potential licensing required
00:55:48.470 --> 00:55:53.017
for new measures, as well as
any updates to the IS manual.
00:55:54.101 --> 00:55:59.101
Also that they received
some general training from the,
00:55:59.340 --> 00:56:00.820
our energy training centers,
00:56:00.820 --> 00:56:04.796
as far as certain
classifications, such as,
00:56:04.796 --> 00:56:07.920
and get training, they take a,
00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:11.240
they receive training
and take a practical exam.
00:56:11.240 --> 00:56:14.650
Also, they go through
ES training as well.
00:56:24.270 --> 00:56:28.433
Thank you, San
Diego or SoCalGas.
00:56:30.058 --> 00:56:32.883
This is Irma Dupretti with
San Diego Gas and Electric.
00:56:33.780 --> 00:56:37.450
So similar to PG&E,
we're on track to meet
00:56:37.450 --> 00:56:42.170
an overall homes treated
goal of about 12,000 customers
00:56:42.170 --> 00:56:47.170
this year, which is in line
with what our goal was.
00:56:48.341 --> 00:56:51.840
I don't remember the second
half of the bridge period,
00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:53.680
we were a little bit
uncomfortable there.
00:56:53.680 --> 00:56:58.680
We're struggling a little bit
in this second period of 2021,
00:57:00.380 --> 00:57:02.920
we are in a different
position than the other utilities
00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:07.920
where are in funding
has increased over 2021.
00:57:07.970 --> 00:57:11.039
And therefore we're
not really the contractors
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:14.350
aren't concerned obviously
with the funding levels.
00:57:14.350 --> 00:57:17.230
However, we're still
having some contractors,
00:57:17.230 --> 00:57:21.200
a contractor struggled with
issues related to the pandemic
00:57:21.200 --> 00:57:24.944
and higher rating resources here.
00:57:24.944 --> 00:57:28.390
And so we're still a little
bit slow when they're trying
00:57:28.390 --> 00:57:29.530
to ramp up.
00:57:29.530 --> 00:57:32.410
We are in communication
with the program changes
00:57:32.410 --> 00:57:36.860
that are upcoming and working
towards the savings goals
00:57:38.272 --> 00:57:43.272
and transitioning to
the new program cycle.
00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:47.600
And we're in communication
with our contractors regularly
00:57:47.600 --> 00:57:51.470
on what the measures changes
are in, in what's upcoming,
00:57:51.470 --> 00:57:55.970
as far as, like I said, funding,
00:57:55.970 --> 00:57:59.080
there's really no concern
from the SDG&E side,
00:57:59.080 --> 00:58:01.590
as far as marketing and outreach.
00:58:01.590 --> 00:58:04.350
We have a team of which
we'll talk a little bit more about
00:58:04.350 --> 00:58:08.220
that if they have the opportunity,
00:58:08.220 --> 00:58:11.330
but we work directly
with our contractors here
00:58:11.330 --> 00:58:16.330
to support some of their
campaigns as specifically
00:58:16.560 --> 00:58:18.750
that they're looking
for when they're looking
00:58:18.750 --> 00:58:21.680
to target specific
areas, we support that.
00:58:21.680 --> 00:58:24.540
And we do feel that, moving towards
00:58:24.540 --> 00:58:29.420
the new FERA guidelines
in July will certainly help
00:58:29.420 --> 00:58:32.730
in reaching more customers.
00:58:32.730 --> 00:58:35.580
But the challenge is sometimes
are more along the lines
00:58:35.580 --> 00:58:39.350
of property owner optimizations
and getting more work done
00:58:39.350 --> 00:58:44.050
for the units themselves.
00:58:44.050 --> 00:58:46.723
So there is a little bit of
a struggle on that end,
00:58:48.511 --> 00:58:51.182
and that pretty much
wraps it up for SDG&E,
00:58:51.182 --> 00:58:52.773
unless if you have any questions.
00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:57.120
Thank you, that's
very insightful.
00:58:58.540 --> 00:59:01.150
And then Socal and then
relinquish the microphone
00:59:01.150 --> 00:59:03.433
to other Board members
for their questions.
00:59:04.710 --> 00:59:05.990
Hello, good morning everybody.
00:59:05.990 --> 00:59:07.320
This is Mark A. Gary,
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:09.150
I'm the Customer
Assistance Program Manager
00:59:09.150 --> 00:59:11.450
for Southern California Gas Company.
00:59:11.450 --> 00:59:13.520
Just to provide you an
update of where we're at
00:59:13.520 --> 00:59:18.193
relative to funding from 2021
and the transition into 2022.
00:59:19.040 --> 00:59:23.440
So the SoCalGas contractor
related budget is decreasing
00:59:23.440 --> 00:59:25.390
by 14% from 2021 to 2022.
00:59:27.830 --> 00:59:30.650
And so we have been
working with our contractors
00:59:30.650 --> 00:59:35.120
and communicating to them
early regarding this potential,
00:59:35.120 --> 00:59:36.960
so they can make adjustments.
00:59:36.960 --> 00:59:41.110
In addition, we met with each
one of our 40 plus contractors
00:59:41.110 --> 00:59:46.110
to discuss the allocation,
what the potential for them is.
00:59:47.170 --> 00:59:50.250
In other words, to maintain productivity
00:59:50.250 --> 00:59:53.540
from 2021 into 2022,
00:59:53.540 --> 00:59:56.179
in some cases working to identify that,
00:59:56.179 --> 01:00:00.228
considering the program rules
do not allow for fund shifting
01:00:00.228 --> 01:00:03.500
from year to year, it's
kind of, if you don't use
01:00:03.500 --> 01:00:06.730
the budget, you lose it that that year,
01:00:06.730 --> 01:00:09.410
we want to make sure we're
allocating to our contractors
01:00:09.410 --> 01:00:13.190
appropriately, and they're
fully able to utilize their,
01:00:13.190 --> 01:00:16.640
their budgets, the
allocated budgets at 2022.
01:00:16.640 --> 01:00:19.260
So we work with our
contracts to do that,
01:00:19.260 --> 01:00:22.407
and we feel we've
allocated appropriately,
01:00:22.407 --> 01:00:25.810
although the, but there is
a budget reduction overall,
01:00:25.810 --> 01:00:30.810
although contractors saw a
budget reductions into 2022,
01:00:31.130 --> 01:00:35.573
it seemed to be manageable
in discussions with contractors.
01:00:35.573 --> 01:00:38.920
The other thing I wanted to
mention the we're also seeing
01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:41.170
a reduction obviously into 2023,
01:00:41.170 --> 01:00:45.050
I think overall from 2021 to 2023,
01:00:45.050 --> 01:00:49.360
it's about a 32% reduction,
so it's very significant.
01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:52.170
SoCalGas will be holding
a solicitation next year
01:00:52.170 --> 01:00:55.850
for it's a core contractor network.
01:00:55.850 --> 01:00:57.720
And at the appropriate time,
01:00:57.720 --> 01:01:01.663
we've already held a solicitation 101
01:01:01.663 --> 01:01:03.820
for potential bidders.
01:01:03.820 --> 01:01:07.910
We're also having a symposium
that's upcoming in January
01:01:07.910 --> 01:01:11.110
to connect prime contractors
and subcontractors
01:01:11.110 --> 01:01:13.490
as an IOU symposium.
01:01:13.490 --> 01:01:14.980
And then at the appropriate time,
01:01:14.980 --> 01:01:16.610
they'll have a bidders conference,
01:01:16.610 --> 01:01:19.610
so that contractors are
being a well-prepared
01:01:20.461 --> 01:01:23.730
to participate in the
solicitation for SoCalGas.
01:01:23.730 --> 01:01:27.310
For 2021, for the first six months,
01:01:27.310 --> 01:01:31.890
SoCalGas goal was
60,000, I think we did 59 plus,
01:01:31.890 --> 01:01:33.620
I don't have that number in front of me.
01:01:33.620 --> 01:01:37.798
And we're on track also for
the last six months of the year
01:01:37.798 --> 01:01:42.120
to reach pretty close
to reaching our goals.
01:01:42.120 --> 01:01:44.410
So I don't know if there
are any additional questions
01:01:44.410 --> 01:01:47.860
from Commissioner Shiroma,
if there's anything that you,
01:01:47.860 --> 01:01:49.510
that I missed that you asked for.
01:01:53.579 --> 01:01:57.453
Thank you, and thank
you all for your overviews.
01:01:59.393 --> 01:02:03.770
I think I saw some hands
raised earlier a chair.
01:02:03.770 --> 01:02:08.670
Yeah, I saw Board members,
Medina and also Board member
01:02:08.670 --> 01:02:13.137
Castaneda, Board member
Medina, would you like to go first?
01:02:20.251 --> 01:02:25.251
Yes, sorry, I'm trying to use
my phone here, kinda crazy.
01:02:25.438 --> 01:02:30.438
Yes, so looking at the I'm
looking at the all presentation
01:02:30.710 --> 01:02:35.430
sent home and which is the
ESA contractor funding updates,
01:02:35.430 --> 01:02:38.443
says that's the segment
are we still on that one, right?
01:02:45.060 --> 01:02:46.410
Correct.
01:02:46.410 --> 01:02:51.360
Oh, great, so, and listening
to all these are concerns
01:02:52.410 --> 01:02:57.267
that are being shared right
now, both from the IOUs
01:02:58.285 --> 01:03:00.100
and the ESA contractors.
01:03:00.100 --> 01:03:05.100
I think it's interesting for us
to see some sort of a report
01:03:05.380 --> 01:03:08.063
done on costs.
01:03:09.230 --> 01:03:12.000
I mean, obviously
because of the pandemic
01:03:12.000 --> 01:03:15.550
and what's the chain of events
that has happened with that.
01:03:15.550 --> 01:03:17.700
I think that we also need
to start looking forward
01:03:17.700 --> 01:03:22.490
to seeing as a Board for
us to see this information,
01:03:22.490 --> 01:03:27.490
how it affected prior to
COVID, how was this managed?
01:03:28.150 --> 01:03:32.470
Because as I asked him
prior meeting on the funding,
01:03:32.470 --> 01:03:34.020
that when I started,
01:03:34.020 --> 01:03:36.650
I think it was three
years or four years ago,
01:03:36.650 --> 01:03:39.313
I remember saying to the IOUs, well,
01:03:39.313 --> 01:03:42.010
what you're reporting to me
about the funds you're in fourth
01:03:42.010 --> 01:03:45.210
quarter, they weren't
even like 50% spent.
01:03:45.210 --> 01:03:47.600
And one of my questions I
had in the last Board meeting
01:03:47.600 --> 01:03:50.713
was the funds where they're placed.
01:03:51.780 --> 01:03:53.720
This is a significant amount of money.
01:03:53.720 --> 01:03:58.610
Is this generating any sort of interest
01:03:58.610 --> 01:03:59.620
wherever it's placed?
01:03:59.620 --> 01:04:03.890
And is that interest money
that's generated from those,
01:04:03.890 --> 01:04:04.760
from this funding?
01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:06.030
I don't know if it is
because I don't know
01:04:06.030 --> 01:04:07.850
if it's such an account,
01:04:07.850 --> 01:04:12.630
which it should be if that
interest is being poured back
01:04:12.630 --> 01:04:16.160
into that account to send
it back to the general fund.
01:04:16.160 --> 01:04:18.970
So the CPAC handles, or I
don't know who handles that,
01:04:18.970 --> 01:04:22.340
but I think we need to see
that because cost obviously
01:04:22.340 --> 01:04:25.440
is going to keep going
up and does this mean,
01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:28.220
then we have less
funding available to help
01:04:29.122 --> 01:04:32.860
more of our community, so
those are just my clarification.
01:04:32.860 --> 01:04:35.330
So I would like to see
regarding the budgets
01:04:35.330 --> 01:04:37.080
for the ESA, thank you.
01:04:42.061 --> 01:04:45.430
Thank you, Board member
Medina, Board member Castaneda
01:04:45.430 --> 01:04:46.610
Thank you chair.
01:04:46.610 --> 01:04:50.030
I'll tell you, we have a very,
very complex set of issues
01:04:50.030 --> 01:04:53.253
that at some level are in
conflict with one another.
01:04:54.810 --> 01:04:57.430
What I'm reflecting on is
that reduction in budgets.
01:04:57.430 --> 01:05:02.430
And then again, as I go
to the ESA program spend
01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:06.240
the expenditures clearly
they kind of reflect program
01:05:06.240 --> 01:05:09.150
activity on a ground level,
01:05:09.150 --> 01:05:13.050
which are less than
the authorized budget.
01:05:13.050 --> 01:05:16.560
So when we take that
reality from the previous year,
01:05:16.560 --> 01:05:20.640
we take a new sort of
mandates with unspent funds
01:05:20.640 --> 01:05:22.970
and not being able
to carry over dollars.
01:05:22.970 --> 01:05:27.970
And then we take, again,
a major re re-engineering
01:05:28.020 --> 01:05:30.683
of the program and the
shifts with less money,
01:05:31.760 --> 01:05:35.280
and again, these are factors
that are emitting knowledge
01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:36.660
by the utilities themselves.
01:05:36.660 --> 01:05:39.170
And I'm thinking more
specifically of Southern California
01:05:39.170 --> 01:05:41.160
Gas, market gary.
01:05:41.160 --> 01:05:44.354
I appreciate your candor in
connection with this Board,
01:05:44.354 --> 01:05:47.250
with your financial
situation, with the program,
01:05:47.250 --> 01:05:48.823
as you've interpreted decision,
01:05:50.110 --> 01:05:54.640
I also want to commend
Pacific Gas and Electric for,
01:05:54.640 --> 01:05:56.030
and they have historically,
01:05:56.030 --> 01:05:59.170
as long as I be connected
to this program have met
01:05:59.170 --> 01:06:02.686
in an open forum with
contractors four times a year,
01:06:02.686 --> 01:06:05.350
where, again, those
meetings can't be easy.
01:06:05.350 --> 01:06:08.143
They're very robust,
but at the end of the day,
01:06:08.143 --> 01:06:11.550
PG&E is committed to
the program to evaluate it
01:06:11.550 --> 01:06:14.340
and revise it from the
service delivery area.
01:06:14.340 --> 01:06:16.680
The last meeting
generated additional monies
01:06:16.680 --> 01:06:19.240
that they were able to
shift into the program.
01:06:19.240 --> 01:06:23.397
And really realistically,
what are the goals of that?
01:06:23.397 --> 01:06:26.670
And I think that as a Board,
we have to hold up our values.
01:06:26.670 --> 01:06:30.040
We have to make very,
very clear to the utilities
01:06:30.040 --> 01:06:33.310
because we are government,
IOUs are not government,
01:06:33.310 --> 01:06:36.168
they're Fortune 500, are
private sector companies.
01:06:36.168 --> 01:06:38.980
And I respect the
private public partnership.
01:06:38.980 --> 01:06:43.670
But at the end of the day,
our program values workers,
01:06:43.670 --> 01:06:46.783
we value services targeted
at the low-income community
01:06:46.783 --> 01:06:49.390
that can do a number of things.
01:06:49.390 --> 01:06:52.220
obviously energy
efficiency is important,
01:06:52.220 --> 01:06:54.770
but so is the reduction of energy burden
01:06:54.770 --> 01:06:57.710
and the promotion of
health, comfort, and safety.
01:06:57.710 --> 01:07:00.770
So again, what I think
has been somewhat lacking
01:07:00.770 --> 01:07:04.100
and I have to be a little
confused about the Southern
01:07:04.100 --> 01:07:07.060
California Edison
presentation just now in terms
01:07:07.060 --> 01:07:11.170
of their dialogue and their
communication with contractors,
01:07:11.170 --> 01:07:16.080
because I have had concerns
brought to my attention that,
01:07:16.080 --> 01:07:20.600
because of the budget
reductions that Jean so adequately
01:07:20.600 --> 01:07:25.190
cited minutes ago, that
contractors are considering layoffs,
01:07:25.190 --> 01:07:27.920
they are considering
downsizing their program.
01:07:27.920 --> 01:07:31.210
And that's my major concern
through any and all of this
01:07:31.210 --> 01:07:34.900
transition, a couple of
things should not happen.
01:07:34.900 --> 01:07:38.290
We should not compress
the program in terms of again,
01:07:38.290 --> 01:07:42.300
workers' employment, and we
should not compress the ability
01:07:42.300 --> 01:07:45.110
for us to deliver
services to this program,
01:07:45.110 --> 01:07:47.720
because in my nearly
seven or eight years
01:07:47.720 --> 01:07:51.450
connected with ESA,
primarily with Proteus,
01:07:51.450 --> 01:07:54.936
which is a major nonprofit
in the south central valley
01:07:54.936 --> 01:07:59.390
Proteus extend services
as far north as Bishop,
01:07:59.390 --> 01:08:03.330
as part of its Southern
California Edison program
01:08:03.330 --> 01:08:05.840
that they participate in.
01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:08.760
And Bishop is a long way from Viselia.
01:08:08.760 --> 01:08:11.780
And I spoke with the CEO
about the cost of doing that,
01:08:11.780 --> 01:08:16.650
the cost of Proteus and
Proteus absorbs a loss to service
01:08:16.650 --> 01:08:19.210
some of those outlying
communities are hard to serve.
01:08:19.210 --> 01:08:22.170
And that's something that
we consistently hear about,
01:08:22.170 --> 01:08:25.653
over the years when we
meet and I asked the CEO,
01:08:26.700 --> 01:08:29.710
Mike, why don't you do
that if you're losing money?
01:08:29.710 --> 01:08:32.580
He said, look, because
people need what we provide.
01:08:32.580 --> 01:08:35.865
So we send our trucks
up the hill to do that.
01:08:35.865 --> 01:08:37.540
And so what I'm
saying is, is that it was,
01:08:37.540 --> 01:08:39.810
we marched through this transition.
01:08:39.810 --> 01:08:43.640
We should always keep in
mind, the fact that these programs
01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:46.440
are important to people
that we understand
01:08:46.440 --> 01:08:49.160
that there are workers
and primarily workers
01:08:49.160 --> 01:08:52.040
that are hired at a
disadvantage communities
01:08:52.040 --> 01:08:55.380
that are again,
stakeholders in our processes
01:08:55.380 --> 01:08:56.610
would change it.
01:08:56.610 --> 01:09:00.300
And so what are the things
that I would strongly recommend
01:09:00.300 --> 01:09:04.910
it would like to see are,
again, maybe they can't do them
01:09:04.910 --> 01:09:07.050
quarterly, but I would
like to see them at least
01:09:07.050 --> 01:09:10.500
twice a year, all contractors
on Board can meet
01:09:10.500 --> 01:09:14.130
with the individual utilities
because I think individual
01:09:14.130 --> 01:09:16.820
contractors feel that
there's strength in numbers.
01:09:16.820 --> 01:09:21.820
And so they are not inclined
to not say and really speak up
01:09:22.890 --> 01:09:25.780
about direct impacts
that all of us on this Board
01:09:25.780 --> 01:09:29.140
have to revaluate because
we're concerned with results.
01:09:29.140 --> 01:09:32.637
The other thing is that I
think might be helpful as a tool
01:09:32.637 --> 01:09:36.230
in terms of a survey monkeys online.
01:09:36.230 --> 01:09:39.210
I mean, there are other sorts
of tools that are available,
01:09:39.210 --> 01:09:42.510
so we could actually
pull contractors to see,
01:09:42.510 --> 01:09:46.210
what the potential for
layouts are as we transition,
01:09:46.210 --> 01:09:49.450
as we transition through solicitations,
01:09:49.450 --> 01:09:52.470
as we transitioned through
changes in the program.
01:09:52.470 --> 01:09:55.890
So having said that,
Mr. Chair, I think that,
01:09:55.890 --> 01:10:00.030
we should be looking at
a little bit more open lines
01:10:00.030 --> 01:10:03.410
of communication between
utilities and contractors.
01:10:03.410 --> 01:10:08.140
Again, I know that specific
utilities i.e PG&E in Southern
01:10:08.140 --> 01:10:10.510
California Gas had been
very good at doing that.
01:10:10.510 --> 01:10:15.190
I understand also SDG&E has
a very, very sort of interactive
01:10:15.190 --> 01:10:18.390
line of communication and
I would encourage Edison
01:10:18.390 --> 01:10:20.183
to do the same thing, thank you.
01:10:24.150 --> 01:10:29.150
Thank you Board member
Castaneda, Vice Chair Stamas.
01:10:30.620 --> 01:10:33.507
Thank you, I just wanted to
build on what Board member
01:10:33.507 --> 01:10:36.600
Castaneda mentioned
in terms of also seeing
01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:39.970
some incongruencies here
between, I understand that,
01:10:39.970 --> 01:10:42.010
budgets may be smaller next year,
01:10:42.010 --> 01:10:45.730
but we're seeing numbers
this year with millions of dollars
01:10:45.730 --> 01:10:47.200
of unspent funds.
01:10:47.200 --> 01:10:51.820
And so just encourage taking
a closer look of if we have
01:10:51.820 --> 01:10:53.950
millions of unspent funds this year,
01:10:53.950 --> 01:10:58.280
why are we still seeing a
contraction in workforce?
01:10:58.280 --> 01:11:01.610
So that's, I guess
just one question also,
01:11:01.610 --> 01:11:05.230
just like a public policy
comment on the unspent funds.
01:11:05.230 --> 01:11:08.550
I understand that Commission
regulation right now
01:11:08.550 --> 01:11:12.670
does not allow them to kind
of be reallocated to provide,
01:11:12.670 --> 01:11:17.020
additional benefit for
low-income customers,
01:11:17.020 --> 01:11:20.087
but it just does not seem
right in this time of COVID
01:11:20.087 --> 01:11:23.870
and this time of need in this
time of legislation coming,
01:11:23.870 --> 01:11:26.980
that's going to expand
the pool of those eligible
01:11:26.980 --> 01:11:29.860
that we're seeing
unspent funds going back
01:11:29.860 --> 01:11:31.173
to all rate pairs.
01:11:33.290 --> 01:11:36.680
Okay, that aside, I
had a question as well.
01:11:36.680 --> 01:11:39.220
I'm looking at the
energy savings numbers,
01:11:39.220 --> 01:11:42.670
which directly correlate to
reductions in energy burden.
01:11:42.670 --> 01:11:47.010
And I'm seeing that per
household, numbers around like 2%
01:11:47.010 --> 01:11:48.650
in bill reductions
01:11:48.650 --> 01:11:52.410
and with the exception of
Southern California Edison,
01:11:52.410 --> 01:11:55.070
which has 30% savings.
01:11:55.070 --> 01:11:58.860
So I was just wondering if
someone from SCE could just speak
01:11:58.860 --> 01:12:01.820
to how they're getting such high savings
01:12:01.820 --> 01:12:03.660
and if maybe there's
anything instructive
01:12:03.660 --> 01:12:05.463
for some of the other utilities.
01:12:06.901 --> 01:12:09.688
Yeah, so yeah, Maria
that's actually a good question.
01:12:09.688 --> 01:12:13.143
We tried to double check
this multiple times today,
01:12:13.143 --> 01:12:18.143
but it all boils down to, we
covered four months from July
01:12:19.610 --> 01:12:22.750
to October and then annualize
01:12:22.750 --> 01:12:25.710
the estimated savings per home.
01:12:25.710 --> 01:12:30.710
So, you're dividing 51 million
KWH by 15 million KWH.
01:12:35.900 --> 01:12:39.360
And that's how we got the 29.5%.
01:12:40.610 --> 01:12:44.647
Last month, last
quarter as it was at 7%.
01:12:44.647 --> 01:12:49.010
And I could only make an
assumption that it's because
01:12:49.010 --> 01:12:53.070
we have a lot of distributions
for lighting products
01:12:53.070 --> 01:12:58.070
in the past few months
that it actually brought up
01:12:58.950 --> 01:13:02.750
our numbers a little bit higher normal,
01:13:02.750 --> 01:13:05.840
but we can double check
these numbers and confirm
01:13:05.840 --> 01:13:06.803
that next time.
01:13:08.250 --> 01:13:10.660
Great, yeah, and I asked
just because those are amazing
01:13:10.660 --> 01:13:13.360
numbers, so if it's accurate,
I think it would be great
01:13:13.360 --> 01:13:15.820
to see higher numbers
from some of the other utilities
01:13:15.820 --> 01:13:20.113
as well, thank you.
01:13:24.180 --> 01:13:27.203
Other questions or comments
from Board members?
01:13:31.810 --> 01:13:32.643
Yeah.
01:13:34.660 --> 01:13:36.020
Board member Watts.
01:13:36.020 --> 01:13:39.450
Thank you, so I want to
talk about costs for a minute,
01:13:39.450 --> 01:13:43.990
and we've heard from folks
that made some public comment
01:13:43.990 --> 01:13:48.110
about supply chain
issues and impacts on cost.
01:13:48.110 --> 01:13:52.150
There are other costs that
are also impacting contractors
01:13:52.150 --> 01:13:56.557
significantly, right now
we are experiencing 6.7%
01:13:58.190 --> 01:14:00.800
inflation rate nationally.
01:14:00.800 --> 01:14:03.670
And so that dribbles right
down into our supply chain
01:14:03.670 --> 01:14:05.380
cost as well.
01:14:05.380 --> 01:14:08.520
Let's talk about wage
increases right now,
01:14:08.520 --> 01:14:13.480
even priory and biting is
almost literally a wage war to get
01:14:13.480 --> 01:14:17.380
new employees higher,
you pay them higher costs,
01:14:17.380 --> 01:14:21.010
and we try to balance that
with costs that haven't increased
01:14:21.010 --> 01:14:24.890
in the last few years
significantly in that to cover
01:14:24.890 --> 01:14:29.507
inflation costs increased
cost of wages to customers.
01:14:29.507 --> 01:14:32.350
And I mean, literally a
contractors that are fighting
01:14:32.350 --> 01:14:36.460
with fast food restaurants
who are raising their minimum
01:14:36.460 --> 01:14:41.020
wage rates to $20 an
hours to get qualified people
01:14:41.020 --> 01:14:44.880
to come in and work for the contractors.
01:14:44.880 --> 01:14:49.210
Some of the other issues of
concern are insurance costs.
01:14:49.210 --> 01:14:53.780
Insurance costs are increasing
tremendously directly related
01:14:53.780 --> 01:14:57.460
to COVID, it's not only
healthcare insurance,
01:14:57.460 --> 01:15:00.770
but it's general liability,
it's ourbrella liability.
01:15:00.770 --> 01:15:04.080
It's those of us who also
have to have cyber liability
01:15:04.080 --> 01:15:07.210
insurance, which is going to
be required as part of the new
01:15:07.210 --> 01:15:11.760
solicitation carrier at our
significant increase of overhead
01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:13.440
cost to the contractors.
01:15:13.440 --> 01:15:16.970
And then there's an
increase in fuel costs.
01:15:16.970 --> 01:15:19.840
Your contractors are out in
their chucks and sending out
01:15:19.840 --> 01:15:22.321
their outreach people
and cars every day,
01:15:22.321 --> 01:15:26.700
and we're paying mileage
reimbursements for those employees.
01:15:26.700 --> 01:15:30.236
And so therefore there, we
have no way of really absorbing
01:15:30.236 --> 01:15:34.650
those costs that they're not
addressed in the new contracts
01:15:34.650 --> 01:15:37.880
through increased costs
and measure costs that will
01:15:37.880 --> 01:15:41.260
and will be in line with
the current inflation rate.
01:15:41.260 --> 01:15:42.313
So that's one issue.
01:15:43.790 --> 01:15:45.930
There's a lot of other
variables and unknowns
01:15:45.930 --> 01:15:48.570
that we're gonna see
in the next year or so,
01:15:48.570 --> 01:15:51.230
because no matter how you look at it,
01:15:51.230 --> 01:15:55.360
we're still going to be impacted
by COVID related issues
01:15:55.360 --> 01:15:58.160
on our economy, whether
they're in the supply chain
01:15:58.160 --> 01:16:02.720
or otherwise, so wanting to
just address that and bring that
01:16:02.720 --> 01:16:03.750
to everybody's attention.
01:16:03.750 --> 01:16:06.390
'Cause I think that it
needs to be really examined,
01:16:06.390 --> 01:16:10.740
especially this is a pay for
performance type contract
01:16:10.740 --> 01:16:12.790
that we start looking at
that in a measure cost
01:16:12.790 --> 01:16:14.633
doesn't go new contracts.
01:16:16.070 --> 01:16:19.530
The other thing I wanted
to to address is again,
01:16:19.530 --> 01:16:21.130
on the solicitation process.
01:16:21.130 --> 01:16:24.931
And if you don't mind putting
that slide back up for me,
01:16:24.931 --> 01:16:29.413
please, Brandon, I think
you're in charge of slides,
01:16:35.050 --> 01:16:36.580
solicitation slide.
01:16:36.580 --> 01:16:39.290
Pardon Patricia,
what slide was that?
01:16:39.290 --> 01:16:41.610
The solicitation,
is it a program
01:16:41.610 --> 01:16:44.420
contractor solicitation update.
01:16:44.420 --> 01:16:49.223
I believe it's slide 13 in
the deck that you have.
01:16:50.360 --> 01:16:51.423
That was up earlier.
01:16:52.960 --> 01:16:55.600
You're talking about the
one with the dates correct?
01:16:55.600 --> 01:16:56.640
That's correct.
01:16:56.640 --> 01:17:00.180
Okay, yes, this one, right?
01:17:00.180 --> 01:17:01.013
Yes.
01:17:01.013 --> 01:17:02.130
Okay, thank you.
01:17:02.130 --> 01:17:04.880
Thanks, so there
is some real concern
01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:09.550
with the solicitation
process with contractors.
01:17:09.550 --> 01:17:12.850
If you look on each
one of the utilities dates
01:17:12.850 --> 01:17:17.440
for issuing RFP, they
are literally right on top
01:17:17.440 --> 01:17:18.473
of each other.
01:17:19.800 --> 01:17:23.069
A lot of the contractors
serve multiple utility companies
01:17:23.069 --> 01:17:24.930
in this ESA program.
01:17:24.930 --> 01:17:29.930
So having the ability
and resources to respond
01:17:30.090 --> 01:17:34.780
to these RFPs at the rate
that they're being released
01:17:34.780 --> 01:17:39.780
is difficult, it is difficult
to keep someone writing
01:17:40.150 --> 01:17:41.830
and keeping up with the dates,
01:17:41.830 --> 01:17:44.870
submitting all of the
necessary paperwork in a timely
01:17:44.870 --> 01:17:49.070
manner, these RPS are
coming out one behind the other.
01:17:49.070 --> 01:17:50.723
It's a very aggressive schedule.
01:17:51.908 --> 01:17:53.460
And as far as contractors are concerned,
01:17:53.460 --> 01:17:57.230
it really puts them at a
disadvantage to be able to respond
01:17:57.230 --> 01:17:59.560
to them, they should
not have to pick or choose
01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:02.260
which one of these RFPs
they're going to respond to.
01:18:02.260 --> 01:18:05.920
They should be, given
the opportunity to respond
01:18:05.920 --> 01:18:06.797
to all of them.
01:18:06.797 --> 01:18:09.990
But this schedule is very challenging.
01:18:09.990 --> 01:18:13.360
Want to bring that to
the utilities attention,
01:18:13.360 --> 01:18:15.880
because I know that you
do want your contractors
01:18:15.880 --> 01:18:20.020
to be able to respond to
these RFPs in a timely manner.
01:18:20.020 --> 01:18:21.863
The schedule was very aggressive.
01:18:23.490 --> 01:18:27.570
So those are my comments
on both two issues,
01:18:27.570 --> 01:18:30.500
economic and solicitation.
01:18:30.500 --> 01:18:33.990
I do have one last
comment and that has to do
01:18:33.990 --> 01:18:37.020
with the percentage of
disadvantaged businesses,
01:18:37.020 --> 01:18:41.450
MBEs WMB service disabled
veterans that are a part of this.
01:18:41.450 --> 01:18:46.240
I know that they have
been a very high percentage
01:18:46.240 --> 01:18:50.430
of the utility span occurs in
the ESA contractor network
01:18:50.430 --> 01:18:55.430
because many of the
contractors are qualified in WBEs.
01:18:56.470 --> 01:18:59.450
And so I would like to know
from the utility companies,
01:18:59.450 --> 01:19:04.450
what percentage of DBEs
are in your current ESA span?
01:19:04.690 --> 01:19:08.247
Also the CBLs, what percentage of CBLs
01:19:08.247 --> 01:19:10.050
are in the current DBE span?
01:19:10.050 --> 01:19:11.730
Because I think that
you're going to see a shift
01:19:11.730 --> 01:19:14.320
of that as we start to
go through the contractor
01:19:14.320 --> 01:19:17.760
solicitation process and
the awarding of contracts
01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:22.570
for the 22 and beyond,
those are my comments.
01:19:27.050 --> 01:19:29.263
Okay, thank you
Board member, Watts,
01:19:30.270 --> 01:19:33.850
I see, remember Wimbley's handed up,
01:19:33.850 --> 01:19:38.850
but I had a really quick
question that I wanted to ask
01:19:39.130 --> 01:19:42.466
that I think is a followup to
some of your comments, Pat,
01:19:42.466 --> 01:19:47.466
and perhaps Robert, which
is, and looking at this slide
01:19:47.510 --> 01:19:51.717
and the various states
across each of the utilities.
01:19:51.717 --> 01:19:55.497
I'm wondering if it would
be helpful if we requested
01:19:55.497 --> 01:20:00.497
of the IOUs to create a
timeline that goes down
01:20:01.330 --> 01:20:06.330
to weekly granularity with
milestones due dates, et cetera,
01:20:06.520 --> 01:20:08.490
across all four IOUs.
01:20:08.490 --> 01:20:10.980
So think of like one
calendar or a Gantt chart
01:20:10.980 --> 01:20:12.363
or something like that.
01:20:14.135 --> 01:20:16.660
I guess my question for
feedback would be is that would
01:20:16.660 --> 01:20:21.030
disallow potential
bidders and contractors,
01:20:21.030 --> 01:20:23.113
CDOs and small businesses alike,
01:20:24.575 --> 01:20:27.540
to have more
predictability of when things
01:20:27.540 --> 01:20:30.103
are going to happen and more,
01:20:30.103 --> 01:20:33.890
therefore more of an
opportunity to prepare for the shifts
01:20:33.890 --> 01:20:35.810
that are coming in the
program and to partner
01:20:35.810 --> 01:20:38.062
with other businesses and so forth
01:20:38.062 --> 01:20:40.510
in terms of like thinking of a next step
01:20:40.510 --> 01:20:43.460
that would make this
much more straightforward
01:20:43.460 --> 01:20:47.083
and easier for the
contractor community to plan.
01:20:50.430 --> 01:20:53.620
In my opinion, it's just
about the reasonableness
01:20:53.620 --> 01:20:56.350
of being able to respond.
01:20:56.350 --> 01:20:58.410
So yes, I think your
Gantt chart would help,
01:20:58.410 --> 01:21:02.380
but let me get with sort of help
everyone see how aggressive
01:21:02.380 --> 01:21:05.850
this schedule is and to
determine whether or not they can
01:21:05.850 --> 01:21:10.280
put a little bit more of
a timeline in between
01:21:10.280 --> 01:21:13.200
the solicitations that are
coming out within days
01:21:13.200 --> 01:21:17.270
of each other and some
cases, they start in Q4
01:21:17.270 --> 01:21:20.950
and most of them stop, most
of the releases stopped in Q1.
01:21:20.950 --> 01:21:25.780
So that is exactly 90 days
for them to respond to multiple
01:21:25.780 --> 01:21:28.420
RFPs and it's not that
it's a single family core.
01:21:28.420 --> 01:21:31.620
It's the deep plus,
that's the multifamily.
01:21:31.620 --> 01:21:34.780
If they're all different RFPs
01:21:34.780 --> 01:21:37.053
that have to be
responded to individually.
01:21:40.410 --> 01:21:45.410
Okay, remember
Castaneda I mean, with that,
01:21:45.510 --> 01:21:49.860
and I know you work with a
lot of different stakeholders
01:21:49.860 --> 01:21:52.870
in the contractor community as well,
01:21:52.870 --> 01:21:56.450
if we tried to develop
this tool that was public
01:21:56.450 --> 01:21:59.330
and on all the websites
and the lists, et cetera,
01:21:59.330 --> 01:22:01.823
and updated at some regular interval,
01:22:03.070 --> 01:22:05.990
would that be a positive
step towards getting to a place
01:22:05.990 --> 01:22:09.640
where this is more predictable for the,
01:22:09.640 --> 01:22:11.350
and easier to work with?
01:22:11.350 --> 01:22:14.350
And also we could forecast
challenges kind of like
01:22:14.350 --> 01:22:17.780
what Pat was talking about in terms of,
01:22:17.780 --> 01:22:21.660
if all of a sudden three IOUs
have dates that coincide very
01:22:21.660 --> 01:22:23.700
closely that can be addressed
01:22:23.700 --> 01:22:25.400
if these were all on one calendar.
01:22:26.420 --> 01:22:28.990
Yeah, quickly, and I know
that Jason's in the queue,
01:22:28.990 --> 01:22:32.980
so apologies Jason, but we
have to take into consideration
01:22:32.980 --> 01:22:36.267
these particular contractual
relationships between IOUs
01:22:36.267 --> 01:22:37.940
and the service providers.
01:22:37.940 --> 01:22:40.520
And again, Pat brought up
some very, very good points
01:22:40.520 --> 01:22:44.200
about what we value and
exactly what is going to be
01:22:44.200 --> 01:22:47.060
the impact in terms of
the minority business,
01:22:47.060 --> 01:22:50.389
small CBOs and small
businesses here in California.
01:22:50.389 --> 01:22:53.000
But I think, you know,
as a practical matter,
01:22:53.000 --> 01:22:55.700
we need to identify a process
and I like what you brought
01:22:55.700 --> 01:22:58.910
forward, Mr. Chairman, but
I would like to build on that
01:22:58.910 --> 01:23:02.610
because again, since we
don't really have a recent history
01:23:02.610 --> 01:23:06.840
of RFP and solicitations
on this program,
01:23:06.840 --> 01:23:10.650
and there have been
legitimate issues based on again,
01:23:10.650 --> 01:23:12.550
scale of economy costs,
01:23:12.550 --> 01:23:15.310
what's happening with
COVID internal costs.
01:23:15.310 --> 01:23:18.220
I know that Commissioner
Rushdoff commented when he voted
01:23:18.220 --> 01:23:21.440
for this particular decision
that he wanted to see
01:23:21.440 --> 01:23:24.700
higher wages, and we certainly
would like to see a career
01:23:24.700 --> 01:23:28.470
ladder built on workforce
education and training
01:23:28.470 --> 01:23:32.670
as the program evolves and all of that.
01:23:32.670 --> 01:23:34.520
And I'm sure there are
many, many other items
01:23:34.520 --> 01:23:35.902
we'd like to see.
01:23:35.902 --> 01:23:39.360
It's just a matter of bid
public policy require resources.
01:23:39.360 --> 01:23:41.540
So the tool that we have at our disposal
01:23:41.540 --> 01:23:44.590
are not only the budgets
for these solicitations.
01:23:44.590 --> 01:23:47.470
I think that, again,
just to crank them out,
01:23:47.470 --> 01:23:52.470
because we think that,
again, that's what we're being
01:23:53.480 --> 01:23:58.480
asked to do, without the
analysis, without the basic
01:23:59.410 --> 01:24:03.848
identification of critical
sort of criteria without,
01:24:03.848 --> 01:24:07.780
again, putting forward in
terms of eligibility requirements
01:24:07.780 --> 01:24:11.850
to provide proposals,
the values that we put
01:24:11.850 --> 01:24:15.960
into the program in the
service that contractors,
01:24:15.960 --> 01:24:20.250
CBOs nonprofits as well
as small for-profits provide
01:24:20.250 --> 01:24:21.450
is a little hasty.
01:24:21.450 --> 01:24:24.410
And so, I'm certainly in favor
01:24:24.410 --> 01:24:27.050
of doing more analytical work.
01:24:27.050 --> 01:24:31.250
I think that more
communication is critical.
01:24:31.250 --> 01:24:34.830
I think it should be done
on a macro and a micro level
01:24:34.830 --> 01:24:37.741
by all utilities, there should
be some consistency,
01:24:37.741 --> 01:24:42.370
especially where one utility
reaches out to another utility
01:24:42.370 --> 01:24:44.530
and says, well, gee,
how did you do that?
01:24:44.530 --> 01:24:47.250
Or what sort of format did you follow?
01:24:47.250 --> 01:24:50.870
I think that that sort of
exchange should be made public.
01:24:50.870 --> 01:24:55.530
And so Mr. Chairman, I'm
certainly supportive of any tools,
01:24:55.530 --> 01:24:59.160
any process that we can put
on the front end that sheds more
01:24:59.160 --> 01:25:03.709
light that provides us
a better transition tool
01:25:03.709 --> 01:25:06.500
with solicitations and
again, I agree with Pat,
01:25:06.500 --> 01:25:09.730
as I look at this schedule, I mean,
01:25:09.730 --> 01:25:13.250
I just don't see how
contractors can do this,
01:25:13.250 --> 01:25:16.040
if they work with more than one utility,
01:25:16.040 --> 01:25:19.320
and understand that these
are just not big companies
01:25:19.320 --> 01:25:21.747
that provide services
through our program.
01:25:21.747 --> 01:25:25.270
And I reflect on the
conversation that I have with CEO
01:25:25.270 --> 01:25:28.378
of Proteus when he sends
these trucks up to Bishop
01:25:28.378 --> 01:25:31.190
and what allows him to absorb that cost,
01:25:31.190 --> 01:25:33.050
that he's not reimbursed for,
01:25:33.050 --> 01:25:36.670
the fact that he does
volume with two utilities
01:25:36.670 --> 01:25:39.210
so he can share and leverage money.
01:25:39.210 --> 01:25:42.610
So that is a consideration
that we have to consider
01:25:45.350 --> 01:25:47.297
as we go through the solicitations
01:25:47.297 --> 01:25:51.070
and the actual contract
execution and implementation
01:25:51.070 --> 01:25:52.163
who gets left out.
01:25:53.130 --> 01:25:55.180
And if we know that on the front end,
01:25:55.180 --> 01:25:56.930
that we can avoid that,
01:25:56.930 --> 01:25:59.590
I'm just concerned at this
point that we haven't done
01:25:59.590 --> 01:26:03.350
the upfront work before we're
jumping into the solicitation
01:26:03.350 --> 01:26:06.180
process, so to answer
your question, Mr. Chair,
01:26:06.180 --> 01:26:09.500
I support that, I also support
direct communication with
01:26:09.500 --> 01:26:13.710
contractors to see based on
what they know communications
01:26:13.710 --> 01:26:15.440
they've had with utilities,
01:26:15.440 --> 01:26:19.540
what their forecast is going
to be based on their workforce.
01:26:19.540 --> 01:26:21.810
I think that's important
for this Board to know.
01:26:21.810 --> 01:26:26.370
So, again, I support any
sort of activity that we can,
01:26:26.370 --> 01:26:31.340
support be part of or endorse
that allows more information
01:26:31.340 --> 01:26:32.373
to be forthcoming.
01:26:35.330 --> 01:26:36.870
Okay, that sounds good.
01:26:36.870 --> 01:26:40.500
So perhaps, and Jason,
thank you for waiting.
01:26:40.500 --> 01:26:42.930
Perhaps if it's agreeable,
01:26:42.930 --> 01:26:46.830
then that's something that
could be worked on offline to see
01:26:46.830 --> 01:26:50.570
if there's a way to facilitate
that so that it can provide
01:26:50.570 --> 01:26:55.020
more predictability and
problem solving opportunity.
01:26:55.020 --> 01:26:59.490
So with that Board member Wimbley.
01:26:59.490 --> 01:27:03.753
Oh, thank you, so
Board member Watts,
01:27:04.873 --> 01:27:08.440
I got, and I think there's
more directed at you.
01:27:08.440 --> 01:27:10.670
So in your comments, you talked about,
01:27:10.670 --> 01:27:14.420
some of the financial
challenges that contractors
01:27:14.420 --> 01:27:17.620
are facing, that's attributed
to the need to pay higher
01:27:17.620 --> 01:27:21.649
wages, difficulty with hiring
qualified staff, fuel costs,
01:27:21.649 --> 01:27:24.410
even earlier today, the public comments
01:27:24.410 --> 01:27:27.080
that we're talking about
supply chain issues, inflation,
01:27:27.080 --> 01:27:31.240
and the cost increases that
you're going to be seeing on
01:27:31.240 --> 01:27:34.050
that front and I was trying
to get an understanding
01:27:34.050 --> 01:27:37.210
of how this kind of overlays
with the conversations
01:27:37.210 --> 01:27:40.292
that we're having with
budget compactation
01:27:40.292 --> 01:27:43.911
and the contract that concerns.
01:27:43.911 --> 01:27:48.767
So my question to you
is, how does the IOUs
01:27:50.380 --> 01:27:54.560
or the contractors navigate these issues
01:27:54.560 --> 01:27:57.310
where there are these
significant cost increases
01:27:57.310 --> 01:27:59.240
that you're trying to absorb?
01:27:59.240 --> 01:28:01.730
Now, what's the mechanisms
for addressing that?
01:28:01.730 --> 01:28:04.480
Is that this something that
contractors have to absorb
01:28:04.480 --> 01:28:09.150
or do the IOUs take
proactive measures to address
01:28:09.150 --> 01:28:13.640
those changes in the
environment that's increasing costs
01:28:13.640 --> 01:28:14.823
and service delivery?
01:28:16.810 --> 01:28:18.670
So Jason, I want
to just say that,
01:28:18.670 --> 01:28:22.280
I think all of this is so
new, I mean, we, first of all,
01:28:22.280 --> 01:28:25.520
have not seen price increases like this.
01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:29.910
People are nor have we
seen supply chain issues
01:28:29.910 --> 01:28:31.930
that are real and no
one really understands
01:28:31.930 --> 01:28:34.430
and knows how long that's going to last,
01:28:34.430 --> 01:28:37.880
maybe fuel costs will go down
in the next couple of months,
01:28:37.880 --> 01:28:41.480
or maybe they won't, or maybe
the supply issue is mentioned
01:28:41.480 --> 01:28:46.480
by the vendors, that are still
occurring across the Board,
01:28:48.200 --> 01:28:51.770
not just for the materials
that we buy or the appliances
01:28:51.770 --> 01:28:55.670
they supply, but, how
has that long-term.
01:28:55.670 --> 01:28:56.970
And when you think about that,
01:28:56.970 --> 01:29:00.745
when you're talking about
2022 into an existing budget,
01:29:00.745 --> 01:29:03.090
measure costs need to be adjusted.
01:29:03.090 --> 01:29:04.880
I don't know that that is happened.
01:29:04.880 --> 01:29:06.610
I have not had those conversations.
01:29:06.610 --> 01:29:09.891
So and I don't know if
other contractors have had
01:29:09.891 --> 01:29:12.350
that conversation with the utilities,
01:29:12.350 --> 01:29:16.700
but they have all expressed it
to me and our conversations.
01:29:16.700 --> 01:29:20.509
So I'm bringing forth their
issues and their concerns.
01:29:20.509 --> 01:29:25.050
The other thing about that
is as you're starting to be it,
01:29:25.050 --> 01:29:28.130
and you're going into bed
and you're pricing as being
01:29:28.130 --> 01:29:29.860
for a bids on pricing,
01:29:29.860 --> 01:29:32.330
and you've got all of
these issues and unknown
01:29:32.330 --> 01:29:35.271
that we're facing, we've got
to go in there and say, okay,
01:29:35.271 --> 01:29:40.271
we're gonna be at least
10 to 15% higher in cost
01:29:41.400 --> 01:29:43.790
than we were in the last three years.
01:29:43.790 --> 01:29:45.690
So those are all concerns.
01:29:45.690 --> 01:29:48.060
Those that keep you
competitive when you're bidding
01:29:48.060 --> 01:29:50.070
or in a competitive bid.
01:29:50.070 --> 01:29:51.133
That's an issue too.
01:29:53.660 --> 01:29:54.867
Yeah, thank you for that.
01:29:54.867 --> 01:29:57.570
'Cause I guess what
I was getting at that,
01:29:57.570 --> 01:30:00.080
these issues that you're
talking about a real, I mean,
01:30:00.080 --> 01:30:04.060
even the programs that CSC
overseas, we've had to make
01:30:04.060 --> 01:30:08.580
adjustments to reimbursement
and measure costs,
01:30:08.580 --> 01:30:10.000
things of that nature
because we have to deal
01:30:10.000 --> 01:30:12.843
with the reality that these
things are changing in the world
01:30:12.843 --> 01:30:14.850
that we're operating within.
01:30:14.850 --> 01:30:18.120
And in many cases, the
supply chain issues in inflation,
01:30:18.120 --> 01:30:22.300
even though we've seen
a stark increases as a way,
01:30:22.300 --> 01:30:24.157
but we've been dealing with these issues
01:30:24.157 --> 01:30:27.650
for more than a year now
and it's impacted program
01:30:27.650 --> 01:30:31.678
operations and service delivery
in one way, shape or form.
01:30:31.678 --> 01:30:34.240
So I was just trying
to get an idea on how,
01:30:34.240 --> 01:30:35.980
what the remedies are for these things,
01:30:35.980 --> 01:30:40.323
because I think that these
are also imposing financial
01:30:40.323 --> 01:30:44.820
strain on contractors and
the only way you can recover
01:30:44.820 --> 01:30:47.700
is through volume if at all.
01:30:47.700 --> 01:30:50.030
So it's just trying to get an
idea on what the strategies
01:30:50.030 --> 01:30:51.730
could be going forward to address.
01:30:52.580 --> 01:30:54.310
Yeah, and I don't
want to say one thing
01:30:54.310 --> 01:30:57.150
and I don't want to sort
of stereotype everybody
01:30:57.150 --> 01:31:00.730
or point fingers at anyone
just in the contracts that I had.
01:31:00.730 --> 01:31:04.430
And then I deal with, there
are some times when I've seen
01:31:04.430 --> 01:31:09.224
adjustments on particular
measure costs based on inflation
01:31:09.224 --> 01:31:11.320
on what's occurring in the market,
01:31:11.320 --> 01:31:15.040
that happens as necessary.
01:31:15.040 --> 01:31:17.040
But all of this is changing so quick.
01:31:17.040 --> 01:31:20.081
And so across the Board,
it's not just one measure,
01:31:20.081 --> 01:31:22.910
it's not just right now lumber,
01:31:22.910 --> 01:31:26.293
it's also the cost of
faucet aerator, so yeah.
01:31:29.350 --> 01:31:32.278
Yeah, I think, but to
Bob's point earlier about
01:31:32.278 --> 01:31:35.240
convening these all
hands meetings, I mean,
01:31:35.240 --> 01:31:38.540
they seems like the focus
should be on that as well during
01:31:38.540 --> 01:31:42.560
these discussions, because
I think trying to get out
01:31:42.560 --> 01:31:46.060
in front on some of these
issues with only serve
01:31:46.060 --> 01:31:50.580
the program better, and then
obviously, these things could,
01:31:50.580 --> 01:31:52.917
that don't necessarily,
they can always adjust up
01:31:52.917 --> 01:31:57.910
and then back down once we
kind of get an idea where things
01:31:57.910 --> 01:32:02.543
are going in terms of cost
increases and cost impact,
01:32:02.543 --> 01:32:06.990
but it's one of the flag
that I think there's a other
01:32:06.990 --> 01:32:09.240
concern that we should
also give attention to
01:32:10.430 --> 01:32:12.220
with cost increases.
01:32:12.220 --> 01:32:16.297
Yeah and cost effectiveness
too don't let me forget that.
01:32:19.474 --> 01:32:24.005
Okay, we're a little past
time and we have a presenter
01:32:24.005 --> 01:32:26.610
waiting in the queue.
01:32:26.610 --> 01:32:30.150
However, if Board members
want to read it this discussion
01:32:30.150 --> 01:32:31.480
after lunch, when certainly can,
01:32:31.480 --> 01:32:35.070
but I want to respect our
presenters time this morning.
01:32:35.070 --> 01:32:40.070
So we will move on to.
01:32:40.140 --> 01:32:45.140
Chair, I apologize,
and to the reverend,
01:32:45.757 --> 01:32:50.757
I have a noon time closed
session that I need to attend.
01:32:51.600 --> 01:32:54.420
So I will be departing probably at noon.
01:32:54.420 --> 01:32:59.420
I do apologize in advance
for missing a part of it.
01:32:59.807 --> 01:33:01.460
If I'm gonna be missing part
01:33:01.460 --> 01:33:03.781
of that Reverend's presentation,
01:33:03.781 --> 01:33:06.173
but I'm here now, thank you.
01:33:06.173 --> 01:33:09.670
All right, understood, and
I would also add that much
01:33:09.670 --> 01:33:12.100
of what's being discussed
here does overlap a little bit
01:33:12.100 --> 01:33:16.450
with item eight, but again, I
see some hands that are still
01:33:16.450 --> 01:33:18.813
up in there, there may
have been a couple of people
01:33:18.813 --> 01:33:20.500
who wanted to make public comment,
01:33:20.500 --> 01:33:22.960
so we'll provide time
later this afternoon.
01:33:22.960 --> 01:33:25.879
I just wanted to respect
our presenter's time.
01:33:25.879 --> 01:33:29.860
And with that Gillian, I
will pass it to you to do
01:33:29.860 --> 01:33:32.010
the introductions of Reverend Jacqueline
01:33:32.010 --> 01:33:33.403
from Village Solution.
01:33:34.770 --> 01:33:37.190
Great, thank you so much.
01:33:37.190 --> 01:33:40.790
I see IT is going to be
pulling up the slides for Village
01:33:40.790 --> 01:33:44.829
Solutions, but I want to
thank them for their time today.
01:33:44.829 --> 01:33:49.829
They also presented at a rate
summit hosted by the CPAC
01:33:50.640 --> 01:33:52.933
and it was a really great presentation.
01:33:54.370 --> 01:33:56.990
I also want to acknowledge
Board member Medina
01:33:58.100 --> 01:34:01.500
for attending that summit,
appreciating this presentation
01:34:01.500 --> 01:34:04.513
and suggesting it to
the Board meeting today.
01:34:06.630 --> 01:34:10.480
So I don't know if we're a member
of Medina has any comments
01:34:10.480 --> 01:34:14.943
before I open it to village solutions.
01:34:15.910 --> 01:34:17.971
Appreciation for
the work being done.
01:34:17.971 --> 01:34:19.550
And also we're having them here.
01:34:19.550 --> 01:34:21.213
Thank you so much
for bringing that forth.
01:34:21.213 --> 01:34:24.760
And I think that it's really
the grassroots efforts
01:34:24.760 --> 01:34:29.580
that I saw a benefit in to
be a best practice for us
01:34:29.580 --> 01:34:33.530
to look at for other CBOs
that help us with getting
01:34:33.530 --> 01:34:35.810
the word out about CARE
and all the different programs
01:34:35.810 --> 01:34:38.573
that we have available for
our public, thank you, Gillian.
01:34:42.270 --> 01:34:46.310
Thank you, Reverend,
are you able to speak
01:34:46.310 --> 01:34:48.210
and unmute yourself and.
01:34:48.210 --> 01:34:50.800
I believe I'm unmuted,
can you hear me?
01:34:50.800 --> 01:34:52.080
Yes, I can.
01:34:52.080 --> 01:34:52.913
There you go.
01:34:54.560 --> 01:34:56.320
Advance to the next slide IT,
01:34:56.320 --> 01:34:59.020
and then we'll, you can queue IT
01:34:59.020 --> 01:35:02.810
to move through your
presentation, thank you.
01:35:02.810 --> 01:35:07.810
First off, I just want to let
the committee know that,
01:35:08.500 --> 01:35:11.280
I really do appreciate this
opportunity and also thank you
01:35:11.280 --> 01:35:16.280
to Ms. Lourdes for recommending
and just listening to some
01:35:17.810 --> 01:35:22.058
of the commentary and the
conversations that we've had prior
01:35:22.058 --> 01:35:24.563
to me coming in, I think it's important,
01:35:25.880 --> 01:35:30.640
that we really do look at how
we get this information out.
01:35:30.640 --> 01:35:32.183
And next slide, please.
01:35:35.730 --> 01:35:38.930
One of the things that we
bought noticed we've been
01:35:38.930 --> 01:35:42.980
a contractor with
Southern California Edison
01:35:42.980 --> 01:35:47.783
now, since I believe like 2008, 2009.
01:35:48.690 --> 01:35:52.900
And so we've been at a
ASAP contractor for that long
01:35:52.900 --> 01:35:55.942
and during our process
of doing assessments
01:35:55.942 --> 01:36:00.942
and going into the homes, we
have a wide area that we serve
01:36:01.370 --> 01:36:04.520
is going from Inglewood and
then also all of Orange County
01:36:04.520 --> 01:36:08.160
and then those areas
that kind of share near that,
01:36:08.160 --> 01:36:10.109
on that Inglewood area.
01:36:10.109 --> 01:36:13.010
And one of the things that
we noticed over the last say
01:36:13.010 --> 01:36:18.010
three to four years was
the lack of black participation
01:36:20.160 --> 01:36:22.293
in the CARE and the ESA program.
01:36:24.210 --> 01:36:26.290
And this was over a long period of time,
01:36:26.290 --> 01:36:28.870
but really taking a
good, hard look at it
01:36:28.870 --> 01:36:31.010
over the last three or four years.
01:36:31.010 --> 01:36:32.910
And then when COVID came,
01:36:32.910 --> 01:36:37.910
it really did show itself that
there was a wide gap between,
01:36:38.961 --> 01:36:43.800
the number of black participants
that was taking advantage
01:36:43.800 --> 01:36:45.050
of this CARE program.
01:36:45.050 --> 01:36:48.310
And then you can see in the slide,
01:36:48.310 --> 01:36:50.980
we have a relationship with
the University of Southern
01:36:50.980 --> 01:36:54.830
California Cecil Murray Center
for Community Engagement.
01:36:54.830 --> 01:36:57.640
And we've also worked
with Ms. Watts, Pat Watts,
01:36:57.640 --> 01:37:00.740
over that period of time
as well at one of the things
01:37:00.740 --> 01:37:04.140
that we noticed was when
I would be on the phone
01:37:04.140 --> 01:37:05.840
during COVID being on the phone,
01:37:05.840 --> 01:37:08.930
we went to a virtual assessment process.
01:37:08.930 --> 01:37:10.470
But even prior to that,
01:37:10.470 --> 01:37:14.560
I started really noticing that
when we started dealing with,
01:37:14.560 --> 01:37:18.730
the black Edison customer
base that they continually kept
01:37:18.730 --> 01:37:21.220
saying they didn't
know about the program.
01:37:21.220 --> 01:37:25.070
Well, and then looking at
like the Addison Scholarship
01:37:25.070 --> 01:37:28.460
program, we noticed that
there was a real low number
01:37:28.460 --> 01:37:31.440
of black students
applying for the program.
01:37:31.440 --> 01:37:33.680
We went in and looked at even going
01:37:33.680 --> 01:37:36.340
into the Edison Internship program,
01:37:36.340 --> 01:37:39.218
noticing that there was a
low number of black students,
01:37:39.218 --> 01:37:43.710
that college students that
was participating in the program.
01:37:43.710 --> 01:37:46.830
And then this really went
across pretty much all
01:37:46.830 --> 01:37:49.254
of the various disciplines
that we work with.
01:37:49.254 --> 01:37:54.170
We do some work with LA
Metro and they have an internship
01:37:54.170 --> 01:37:57.943
program and we a low number
of black students participating
01:37:57.943 --> 01:37:59.650
in that program.
01:37:59.650 --> 01:38:02.500
And so what we did was we went to Edison
01:38:02.500 --> 01:38:05.985
and had a conversation
with the Edison international
01:38:05.985 --> 01:38:08.785
the charitable contribution arm,
01:38:08.785 --> 01:38:11.640
and brought this to their attention.
01:38:11.640 --> 01:38:15.026
And then we sit down and
came up with a concept,
01:38:15.026 --> 01:38:20.026
of combining our wealth
building program that we work with
01:38:20.320 --> 01:38:22.720
the University of Southern
California in the faith based
01:38:22.720 --> 01:38:25.660
environment, and then
taking the, our wealth building
01:38:25.660 --> 01:38:30.660
program and then pulling in
this energy savings assistance
01:38:31.460 --> 01:38:35.480
program, our climate change project,
01:38:35.480 --> 01:38:39.310
our CARE program project,
01:38:39.310 --> 01:38:43.080
our time of usage, building a project,
01:38:43.080 --> 01:38:46.810
taking in even our wildfire
project and then putting it
01:38:46.810 --> 01:38:50.177
into a curriculum,
turning it into a curriculum,
01:38:50.177 --> 01:38:52.243
and then focusing in on,
01:38:53.090 --> 01:38:55.830
high school and college students.
01:38:55.830 --> 01:38:58.580
And then we put together
an internship program,
01:38:58.580 --> 01:39:02.220
which was last year
and what really this year,
01:39:02.220 --> 01:39:05.960
and then we're merging it
over into a fellowship program
01:39:05.960 --> 01:39:10.660
beginning in 2022 and
incorporating a train the trainer
01:39:10.660 --> 01:39:12.840
program, all the way we go in.
01:39:12.840 --> 01:39:16.640
And we identify a high
school and in college students,
01:39:16.640 --> 01:39:18.120
and we use the church,
01:39:18.120 --> 01:39:22.967
the faith based community
as kind of our home base,
01:39:22.967 --> 01:39:25.650
because historically
when you're looking at,
01:39:25.650 --> 01:39:29.010
even the brown, even the
yellow, Latino community,
01:39:29.010 --> 01:39:31.540
when you're trying to get
an information until the black
01:39:31.540 --> 01:39:34.170
or the Latino community,
the best way to get
01:39:34.170 --> 01:39:37.372
that information in
is through the church.
01:39:37.372 --> 01:39:40.040
Historically, that's been
the best way to get it through
01:39:40.040 --> 01:39:41.230
the civil rights era.
01:39:41.230 --> 01:39:43.720
The information was
delivered through the church,
01:39:43.720 --> 01:39:45.090
you in the 70s and 80s,
01:39:45.090 --> 01:39:46.890
the information has
always been deliberate
01:39:46.890 --> 01:39:48.370
in through the church,
01:39:48.370 --> 01:39:52.477
but for some reason over say
over the last 10, 15, 20 years,
01:39:52.477 --> 01:39:55.530
it kind of shied away from that.
01:39:55.530 --> 01:39:58.690
So what we ended up doing
is, is we brought that back
01:39:58.690 --> 01:40:03.460
into fruition, so what we
do is we take the information
01:40:03.460 --> 01:40:05.120
that we get from Edison.
01:40:05.120 --> 01:40:08.350
We take the information
through our energy savings
01:40:08.350 --> 01:40:12.030
assistance program and
then what we do is retrain
01:40:12.030 --> 01:40:15.990
those students and how
to deliver that information,
01:40:15.990 --> 01:40:18.980
because they really are
experts at social media.
01:40:18.980 --> 01:40:21.260
I'm not really that good at it,
01:40:21.260 --> 01:40:22.988
but they really are experts
01:40:22.988 --> 01:40:25.380
in that social media environment.
01:40:25.380 --> 01:40:28.410
So what we do is we train
them on the information,
01:40:28.410 --> 01:40:31.750
I'll say, for instance, the
time abuses billing program,
01:40:31.750 --> 01:40:33.270
we take in the information,
01:40:33.270 --> 01:40:36.500
and then we identify those
ministries that are within
01:40:36.500 --> 01:40:38.260
the Edison territory,
01:40:38.260 --> 01:40:40.000
and also those ministries that are part
01:40:40.000 --> 01:40:44.235
of the USC Cecil Murray program.
01:40:44.235 --> 01:40:47.620
And then we identify those
that would be able to best
01:40:47.620 --> 01:40:49.610
utilize that information.
01:40:49.610 --> 01:40:52.557
And so what we ended
up doing is like, for instance,
01:40:52.557 --> 01:40:56.600
the time of usage billing program,
or even the CARE program,
01:40:56.600 --> 01:41:00.693
whether you or the ESA
program and taking it and putting it
01:41:00.693 --> 01:41:05.120
into our wealth building
strategy and say, for instance,
01:41:05.120 --> 01:41:08.130
and walking through with the
customer and walking through
01:41:08.130 --> 01:41:10.640
with the group of the most important,
01:41:10.640 --> 01:41:14.170
the largest and most important
expense that a home has
01:41:14.170 --> 01:41:18.130
is their mortgage or
their rent, and that's a fact,
01:41:18.130 --> 01:41:21.600
but now after that, we asked
them, what is the second most
01:41:21.600 --> 01:41:25.898
important expense that you
have in your home on now,
01:41:25.898 --> 01:41:27.920
that's going to be your utilities.
01:41:27.920 --> 01:41:30.200
I mean, we've had
people say their condo,
01:41:30.200 --> 01:41:31.710
we've had people say other things,
01:41:31.710 --> 01:41:35.702
but in actuality it
really is their utilities.
01:41:35.702 --> 01:41:38.100
So now we take it from there.
01:41:38.100 --> 01:41:42.613
Now, how can you best
utilize that resource?
01:41:43.601 --> 01:41:47.220
And then we came up with
this E-Smart, E-Stewardship
01:41:48.307 --> 01:41:51.110
initiative where E-Smart and again,
01:41:51.110 --> 01:41:54.500
using an incorporating
in scripture into it.
01:41:54.500 --> 01:41:57.650
So that way it really can
come into that faith-based
01:41:57.650 --> 01:42:00.560
community, E-Smart,
there's a scripture that says,
01:42:00.560 --> 01:42:02.887
people perish for lack of knowledge.
01:42:02.887 --> 01:42:05.897
E-Stewardship, in the stewardship side,
01:42:05.897 --> 01:42:10.700
scripture tells us, to whom
much is given much is required.
01:42:10.700 --> 01:42:15.090
And so then we go in and then
we break down that equation
01:42:15.090 --> 01:42:19.064
into, okay, climate change
and then taking also the data,
01:42:19.064 --> 01:42:22.160
because all of the data that we get,
01:42:22.160 --> 01:42:23.670
just using that example,
01:42:23.670 --> 01:42:26.250
the black community
and this climate change,
01:42:26.250 --> 01:42:29.570
the data says that the
black community is two times
01:42:29.570 --> 01:42:32.050
more to be impacted by climate change
01:42:32.050 --> 01:42:32.900
and all the communities.
01:42:32.900 --> 01:42:37.040
So we go in, we take the
data and then we trained
01:42:37.040 --> 01:42:39.800
our young folk, our young
adults and our college students
01:42:39.800 --> 01:42:42.390
on how to absorb that information.
01:42:42.390 --> 01:42:45.490
And then we create a
train the trainer environment
01:42:45.490 --> 01:42:48.090
by getting those students
to go into that particular
01:42:48.090 --> 01:42:50.240
ministry that we've
identified that again,
01:42:50.240 --> 01:42:52.960
that's in that Edison customer base.
01:42:52.960 --> 01:42:56.190
And then they go out and
then we try to put teams together
01:42:56.190 --> 01:43:00.110
of five, we'd even go as
far as working with the pastor
01:43:00.110 --> 01:43:02.450
of that church and the
minister and your staff,
01:43:02.450 --> 01:43:05.330
and working with them to
even be able to incorporate
01:43:05.330 --> 01:43:09.770
this information into their servants.
01:43:09.770 --> 01:43:12.357
And then we take the
information that we have,
01:43:12.357 --> 01:43:15.180
and then we show them
how to set that information up
01:43:15.180 --> 01:43:16.490
into their ministries.
01:43:16.490 --> 01:43:20.440
So now, if one of the
members of their church say,
01:43:20.440 --> 01:43:24.240
has we had an issue, an
example a couple of weeks ago
01:43:24.240 --> 01:43:28.590
on the TOU program, one of
the ministries that we work with,
01:43:28.590 --> 01:43:31.450
one of the seniors got
this, received this a letter
01:43:31.450 --> 01:43:34.230
from medicine about the TOU program,
01:43:34.230 --> 01:43:37.286
but she was concerned not
knowing whether it was for real
01:43:37.286 --> 01:43:40.760
or not, so she called her pastor.
01:43:40.760 --> 01:43:43.574
Her pastor made contact
with the young adult.
01:43:43.574 --> 01:43:46.040
that's in the program,
that's, what's called.
01:43:46.040 --> 01:43:47.910
We call them energy ambassadors,
01:43:47.910 --> 01:43:50.270
make contact with that
energy ambassador,
01:43:50.270 --> 01:43:53.010
that energy ended up contacting me.
01:43:53.010 --> 01:43:56.390
And then they had the senior call me.
01:43:56.390 --> 01:44:00.040
I went in, had her load up her computer,
01:44:00.040 --> 01:44:02.513
and then we have the next slide, please.
01:44:05.121 --> 01:44:09.170
And then we had one
of our interns and fellows,
01:44:09.170 --> 01:44:14.170
make contact with that
particular, a customer.
01:44:14.830 --> 01:44:16.430
And I was on the phone with them.
01:44:16.430 --> 01:44:18.390
And then we pulled up the TOU page.
01:44:22.540 --> 01:44:26.370
That's on the Edison website
and then walked them through
01:44:26.370 --> 01:44:29.270
the TOU process again,
01:44:29.270 --> 01:44:33.190
incorporating this
internship fellowship initiative
01:44:33.190 --> 01:44:36.930
that also ends up coming in as
a workforce development item
01:44:36.930 --> 01:44:41.110
as well, you can see here
on this slide on October 30,
01:44:41.110 --> 01:44:44.590
we did a career fair, we
call them days of opportunity.
01:44:44.590 --> 01:44:48.470
Again, when you're talking
about kind of incorporating this
01:44:48.470 --> 01:44:51.120
information into the low to
moderate income community
01:44:51.120 --> 01:44:53.220
or to the disadvantaged communities,
01:44:53.220 --> 01:44:56.090
I was a single parent dad for 18 years.
01:44:56.090 --> 01:44:58.290
And so when I got my bill,
01:44:58.290 --> 01:45:01.110
the only thing I wanted to
see was how much I owed,
01:45:01.110 --> 01:45:04.130
but again, going through this process,
01:45:04.130 --> 01:45:06.490
when you're talking about
dealing with the low to moderate
01:45:06.490 --> 01:45:09.110
income or dealing with a
disadvantaged community,
01:45:09.110 --> 01:45:11.900
or really just dealing
with anybody right now,
01:45:11.900 --> 01:45:15.557
people are concerned about
how is it going to benefit me?
01:45:15.557 --> 01:45:18.787
What did vantage is this
going to give me if I go in
01:45:18.787 --> 01:45:22.440
and say, okay, I'm gonna
pay attention to this time,
01:45:22.440 --> 01:45:24.730
but usage, billing process.
01:45:24.730 --> 01:45:27.800
Again, what we did
was we taken the senior,
01:45:27.800 --> 01:45:30.519
Mr. Alexander had
her load up per system.
01:45:30.519 --> 01:45:34.580
She was on the Addison
mine account system.
01:45:34.580 --> 01:45:36.680
We had her pull up
her mine account site,
01:45:36.680 --> 01:45:37.890
and then we show her, okay,
01:45:37.890 --> 01:45:41.000
here's how much energy
you're using per hour.
01:45:41.000 --> 01:45:43.900
Here's how much energy
you're using per day.
01:45:43.900 --> 01:45:46.820
Here's how much energy
you're using per month.
01:45:46.820 --> 01:45:49.090
Here's how much energy
you're using per day
01:45:49.090 --> 01:45:50.810
that got her attention.
01:45:50.810 --> 01:45:54.800
And then we pulled up
the time of usage, a slide,
01:45:54.800 --> 01:45:58.270
a presentation, that's on the
website and then showed, okay,
01:45:58.270 --> 01:46:00.960
if you're doing it, your
energy is going to cost you less
01:46:00.960 --> 01:46:03.710
between eight to four,
it's going to cost you a little
01:46:03.710 --> 01:46:07.340
bit more from four to nine,
it's going to cost you less
01:46:07.340 --> 01:46:09.980
from nine to eight the next morning,
01:46:09.980 --> 01:46:12.200
walked her through that process
01:46:12.200 --> 01:46:15.240
and then got all the way
down into my new show up.
01:46:15.240 --> 01:46:17.480
Okay, Ms. Alexander, when
did you do your laundry?
01:46:17.480 --> 01:46:19.250
When do you normally do your laundry?
01:46:19.250 --> 01:46:20.783
Well, I normally do my laundry
01:46:20.783 --> 01:46:23.800
when I'm watching Steve Harvey,
01:46:23.800 --> 01:46:25.917
that's not a good time
to do your laundry,
01:46:25.917 --> 01:46:29.620
because Steve Harvey
comes on at six o'clock
01:46:29.620 --> 01:46:32.900
and goes off at eight
o'clock and then showed her
01:46:32.900 --> 01:46:36.130
here's how much you're
spending to do your laundry
01:46:36.130 --> 01:46:39.880
between four and nine,
and then the light clicked on.
01:46:39.880 --> 01:46:42.050
And then once the light clicked on,
01:46:42.050 --> 01:46:45.040
what she did was
she said, okay, I got it.
01:46:45.040 --> 01:46:48.070
And then, because she
has this network of seniors
01:46:48.070 --> 01:46:51.610
that's in her community, what
she said was now she was going
01:46:51.610 --> 01:46:55.300
to go and let the rest of
her senior community cohort
01:46:55.300 --> 01:46:59.970
or partners know, okay, that
you can really go in and engage
01:46:59.970 --> 01:47:02.330
into this time of usage program.
01:47:02.330 --> 01:47:07.200
Because she was the go-between,
once the light clicked on,
01:47:07.200 --> 01:47:10.510
she passed the word
on and then ended up,
01:47:10.510 --> 01:47:13.720
we ended up getting some
flyers, taking them to the church.
01:47:13.720 --> 01:47:17.247
And then each time we do a
program like Christmas time,
01:47:17.247 --> 01:47:19.500
and we're doing our feeding programs.
01:47:19.500 --> 01:47:23.000
We put all of the information
that we have in a time of use
01:47:23.000 --> 01:47:26.670
it's climate change,
wildfire and information
01:47:26.670 --> 01:47:31.510
CARE information, ESAP
information, energy assistance
01:47:31.510 --> 01:47:35.040
fund the information for both
the gas company and Edison.
01:47:35.040 --> 01:47:38.023
We put all of this information
and we make it available
01:47:38.023 --> 01:47:40.510
to that particular church site.
01:47:40.510 --> 01:47:43.810
And then we turn that church
site into an ambassador energy
01:47:43.810 --> 01:47:47.580
ambassador site, so again, in 2022,
01:47:47.580 --> 01:47:50.529
what we're working with
is the fellowship piece
01:47:50.529 --> 01:47:53.930
of the program, we have
this climate change project,
01:47:53.930 --> 01:47:57.235
and I noticed what Ms. Watts
was saying with these RFPs
01:47:57.235 --> 01:48:00.212
that are coming in, one
after another, after another,
01:48:00.212 --> 01:48:03.550
what we've done is it's
taken all the information
01:48:03.550 --> 01:48:06.110
that we've gotten from
Edison and there we're putting
01:48:06.110 --> 01:48:08.560
it into our fellowship program.
01:48:08.560 --> 01:48:11.215
And then we're training
those college students
01:48:11.215 --> 01:48:13.530
that have accepted their fellowships.
01:48:13.530 --> 01:48:16.050
We're training the college
students in number one,
01:48:16.050 --> 01:48:18.060
how do you know how to write these RFPs
01:48:19.203 --> 01:48:22.920
of how to really understand
what climate change et cetera,
01:48:22.920 --> 01:48:26.670
how to understand the impact
and also in the fellowship
01:48:26.670 --> 01:48:31.670
and internship program,
identifying those energy sector
01:48:31.920 --> 01:48:35.420
areas where there's
opportunity for career path,
01:48:35.420 --> 01:48:37.860
because that really is
one of the things that really
01:48:37.860 --> 01:48:42.788
attracted them into the program
is beyond paying your bill,
01:48:42.788 --> 01:48:46.070
where are the opportunities
in this environment?
01:48:46.070 --> 01:48:49.218
Because I truly do believe
within, with this climate change,
01:48:49.218 --> 01:48:52.550
with this clean energy
environment, we also,
01:48:52.550 --> 01:48:55.299
every program we do over the last year,
01:48:55.299 --> 01:49:00.299
we use that the Addison
pathway, 2045 video,
01:49:00.840 --> 01:49:03.080
we use that as our base.
01:49:03.080 --> 01:49:06.990
And again, we take a
student that say 20 years old.
01:49:06.990 --> 01:49:10.130
Okay and they're in the
program that's 25 years.
01:49:10.130 --> 01:49:12.240
So we asked them a simple question,
01:49:12.240 --> 01:49:15.290
in 2045, how old are you going to be?
01:49:15.290 --> 01:49:19.351
And, and in 2045, when
they see it's gonna impact
01:49:19.351 --> 01:49:21.940
your home, it's gonna
impact your vehicle.
01:49:21.940 --> 01:49:23.863
It's gonna impact your career path.
01:49:23.863 --> 01:49:26.306
It's going to impact how
much you're spending.
01:49:26.306 --> 01:49:28.460
And then again, when the
light clicks on with them,
01:49:28.460 --> 01:49:33.460
now we have the opportunity
to engage them into the process.
01:49:34.020 --> 01:49:39.020
Because again, when we
look at who's taking advantage
01:49:39.050 --> 01:49:43.220
of these opportunities, again,
we keep seeing from our side
01:49:43.220 --> 01:49:46.395
that the black community
and also the Latino community,
01:49:46.395 --> 01:49:49.233
I don't know if they're
left out, but the information
01:49:49.233 --> 01:49:52.330
is just not getting
down to the grassroots.
01:49:52.330 --> 01:49:56.650
And so we taken this approach
of the triangle of success,
01:49:56.650 --> 01:50:00.840
the engaging, the home,
engaging the school and engaging
01:50:00.840 --> 01:50:02.503
in community, next slide, please.
01:50:06.250 --> 01:50:11.160
Again, the education piece,
you see Louis Howard Latimer
01:50:11.160 --> 01:50:12.707
none of the students that
01:50:12.707 --> 01:50:16.090
and most folks did not
know, or didn't realize,
01:50:16.090 --> 01:50:18.300
or even downed on there in their mind,
01:50:18.300 --> 01:50:21.610
that there was somebody
black that worked with Edison
01:50:21.610 --> 01:50:23.890
when the light bulb was created.
01:50:23.890 --> 01:50:27.230
Again, these are, we
give them this kind of data
01:50:27.230 --> 01:50:31.191
to engage them into the
process, to let them know,
01:50:31.191 --> 01:50:36.191
that this environment, this
career path is just not for
01:50:37.280 --> 01:50:40.180
a certain group of
people is for everybody.
01:50:40.180 --> 01:50:42.807
And so, again, one of the
things we were working with our
01:50:42.807 --> 01:50:45.310
students, we're working
with our ministries,
01:50:45.310 --> 01:50:47.290
with our congregations to let them know
01:50:47.290 --> 01:50:51.690
that this is actually a 21st
century lifestyle choice.
01:50:51.690 --> 01:50:54.393
There's 2045 is going to happen.
01:50:55.270 --> 01:50:57.370
Vehicles are going to be electric.
01:50:57.370 --> 01:50:59.460
Homes are going to be smart.
01:50:59.460 --> 01:51:01.320
Cell phones are going
to be smarter than that.
01:51:01.320 --> 01:51:03.950
How do you engage into this environment?
01:51:03.950 --> 01:51:07.470
And you engage into
environment in a proactive basis
01:51:07.470 --> 01:51:10.930
and not waiting until 2045
comes and now you don't know
01:51:10.930 --> 01:51:11.960
what's going on.
01:51:11.960 --> 01:51:15.430
So again, we go in and we
partner with the organizations
01:51:15.430 --> 01:51:18.650
that we work with, like
I've worked with Ms. Watts
01:51:18.650 --> 01:51:21.960
now for a little over 12 years,
01:51:21.960 --> 01:51:24.370
Faithful Central Bible
Church in Inglewood
01:51:24.370 --> 01:51:26.290
is one of our gardeners.
01:51:26.290 --> 01:51:28.760
Christ Our Redeemer
Church in Orange County
01:51:28.760 --> 01:51:32.340
is one of our, a part
in the city of refuge.
01:51:32.340 --> 01:51:35.460
And in Gardena is one of our partners.
01:51:35.460 --> 01:51:37.490
We have ministries
out in the inland empire.
01:51:37.490 --> 01:51:39.940
So what we're really
doing is trying to create
01:51:39.940 --> 01:51:44.070
an environment to engage
the target community
01:51:44.070 --> 01:51:45.070
that we go after.
01:51:45.070 --> 01:51:48.760
We've also share our
business model with couple
01:51:48.760 --> 01:51:50.060
of our Latino partners.
01:51:50.060 --> 01:51:52.640
One of them is in East LA because again,
01:51:52.640 --> 01:51:56.530
because I'm black, I
focused in on our children
01:51:56.530 --> 01:51:59.860
and young adults, but again,
we also share that model
01:51:59.860 --> 01:52:04.210
and we try to pull
everybody in together in it,
01:52:04.210 --> 01:52:07.360
because I believe this is
important at one of the things
01:52:07.360 --> 01:52:11.709
that I stick to is when the
industrial revolution came,
01:52:11.709 --> 01:52:14.940
we did not have the
opportunity to engage in it
01:52:14.940 --> 01:52:17.450
as an equity partner in it.
01:52:17.450 --> 01:52:19.670
When the technology industry came in,
01:52:19.670 --> 01:52:21.230
we were still kind of dealing,
01:52:21.230 --> 01:52:23.610
coming out of the civil rights era.
01:52:23.610 --> 01:52:26.390
But I truly do believe
that this clean energy
01:52:26.390 --> 01:52:28.860
and this green environment,
01:52:28.860 --> 01:52:31.820
if the opportunity is the
first time that we will have
01:52:31.820 --> 01:52:35.600
the opportunity to really
get in on the ground floor
01:52:35.600 --> 01:52:39.360
and then engaged this
homeschool community concept,
01:52:39.360 --> 01:52:42.870
the school concept, Edison
put together this E-Smart
01:52:42.870 --> 01:52:44.513
all that, next slide, please,
01:52:47.150 --> 01:52:51.230
Edison to put together
one more slide, I'm sorry.
01:52:51.230 --> 01:52:52.910
And then we'll go back
to this, and one more.
01:52:52.910 --> 01:52:56.450
Okay, Edison put together
a few years back a website
01:52:56.450 --> 01:53:01.100
it's called SCE for Kids,
and there's three portals
01:53:01.100 --> 01:53:02.030
in this website.
01:53:02.030 --> 01:53:05.120
There's a kid's portal,
there's a parents portal
01:53:05.120 --> 01:53:06.830
and there's a teacher's portal.
01:53:06.830 --> 01:53:09.860
And so we've engaged
this website for the last,
01:53:09.860 --> 01:53:13.080
like three years, when we
do our in-home assessments.
01:53:13.080 --> 01:53:15.920
If there's a child in the
home, especially when we,
01:53:15.920 --> 01:53:18.810
before COVID, if there
was a child in the home,
01:53:18.810 --> 01:53:21.110
I would ask the parent,
did they have a web?
01:53:21.110 --> 01:53:23.480
Did they have a tablet
or another computer?
01:53:23.480 --> 01:53:25.257
I would email them this link.
01:53:25.257 --> 01:53:28.050
And while I'm doing
the in-house assessment
01:53:28.050 --> 01:53:29.650
and the kids are all over the place,
01:53:29.650 --> 01:53:31.390
I would pull this website up,
01:53:31.390 --> 01:53:34.920
have them pull this website
up and then have the children
01:53:34.920 --> 01:53:37.945
that's in the home play with
it and navigate through it.
01:53:37.945 --> 01:53:40.930
And then in doing that,
what we're doing is,
01:53:40.930 --> 01:53:44.190
is incorporating the
household into the project,
01:53:44.190 --> 01:53:46.650
into the initiative, because again,
01:53:46.650 --> 01:53:50.420
energy is the second
most important line item
01:53:50.420 --> 01:53:51.660
in a home's budget.
01:53:51.660 --> 01:53:54.710
So now we take the position
of how can we educate
01:53:54.710 --> 01:53:59.110
and train you to use your energy better?
01:53:59.110 --> 01:54:02.046
How can we get you to
understand that information,
01:54:02.046 --> 01:54:05.650
and even with the kids, okay,
01:54:05.650 --> 01:54:08.832
ma'am let your kids know if
they went into the refrigerator
01:54:08.832 --> 01:54:13.580
at 6:30 and they go back
in the refrigerator at 6:45,
01:54:14.460 --> 01:54:16.960
there was nothing
changed in that refrigerator.
01:54:16.960 --> 01:54:20.900
But what has happened is
you just cost your household
01:54:20.900 --> 01:54:23.500
some money on the energy
01:54:23.500 --> 01:54:26.010
and again, getting them
to be more energy smart.
01:54:26.010 --> 01:54:26.963
Next slide, please.
01:54:29.890 --> 01:54:32.160
Again, we also have
the teacher's portal,
01:54:32.160 --> 01:54:33.380
we've been working with now
01:54:33.380 --> 01:54:37.437
with the Los Angeles County
Department of Education
01:54:37.437 --> 01:54:41.060
and working with them to see
if we can get them to include
01:54:41.060 --> 01:54:42.360
this in the curriculums,
01:54:42.360 --> 01:54:46.360
in the middle school and
the high school environment.
01:54:46.360 --> 01:54:49.460
One of the things that we
know is we've taken this model
01:54:49.460 --> 01:54:53.651
from the dare program of
coming in and incorporating
01:54:53.651 --> 01:54:57.980
key information and rethink
that the lower we can get
01:54:57.980 --> 01:55:00.650
that information into the
lowest grade possible grade
01:55:00.650 --> 01:55:02.430
that we can get, where
they can comprehend it.
01:55:02.430 --> 01:55:03.860
Now, what we're doing is,
01:55:03.860 --> 01:55:07.370
is we're building a
pipeline of information,
01:55:07.370 --> 01:55:09.330
because now when
they get to high school,
01:55:09.330 --> 01:55:11.810
this information will be
second nature to them.
01:55:11.810 --> 01:55:12.980
When they get to college,
01:55:12.980 --> 01:55:15.010
it'll be a part of their lifestyle.
01:55:15.010 --> 01:55:18.110
Again, incorporating the
teachers and using these
01:55:18.110 --> 01:55:21.400
types of models to get
the information out again,
01:55:21.400 --> 01:55:23.140
like with the program,
01:55:23.140 --> 01:55:27.040
we use the same, we use
the same concept, a wildfire,
01:55:27.040 --> 01:55:30.870
same concept, climate change same.
01:55:30.870 --> 01:55:34.410
Any program that we
get, we take that program
01:55:34.410 --> 01:55:37.780
and we put it inside that triangle,
01:55:37.780 --> 01:55:40.000
and then incorporate
that triangle of success,
01:55:40.000 --> 01:55:43.860
the whole going in, one-on-one
doing ESAP program,
01:55:45.090 --> 01:55:48.450
doing the CARE programs,
the school incorporating
01:55:48.450 --> 01:55:50.930
this website into the concept.
01:55:50.930 --> 01:55:54.060
And then the community
becomes the church piece
01:55:54.060 --> 01:55:57.270
and the faith based
community piece of the program,
01:55:57.270 --> 01:56:00.617
by going in, and again,
identifying those ministries
01:56:00.617 --> 01:56:03.210
that are in those key areas
01:56:03.210 --> 01:56:05.470
where we can get the biggest impact.
01:56:05.470 --> 01:56:07.590
Because one of the
things that I tried not to do,
01:56:07.590 --> 01:56:10.300
I just don't believe
that passing out flags
01:56:10.300 --> 01:56:12.920
because all they ended up
doing is being in the trash can.
01:56:12.920 --> 01:56:15.970
But what we really try
to do is go grassroots
01:56:15.970 --> 01:56:18.760
and get that information into the source
01:56:18.760 --> 01:56:22.080
that they're going to believe
again, not with COVID.
01:56:22.080 --> 01:56:25.420
Most of your ministries now
have gotten used to putting
01:56:25.420 --> 01:56:27.720
information up on
their screens, et cetera.
01:56:27.720 --> 01:56:30.820
So we take the information,
pass it over to them,
01:56:30.820 --> 01:56:34.550
and now they can properly
go in and disseminate
01:56:34.550 --> 01:56:36.210
that information as well.
01:56:36.210 --> 01:56:39.334
And then you have
them identify young adults
01:56:39.334 --> 01:56:42.180
and young adults in
their ministries to take
01:56:42.180 --> 01:56:45.910
that information and then
disseminated out via the various
01:56:45.910 --> 01:56:49.897
social media outlets and
then at the end of the month,
01:56:49.897 --> 01:56:52.410
the only thing we're requiring
of them as part of their
01:56:52.410 --> 01:56:56.231
fellowship requirement is
when you eat blasted out,
01:56:56.231 --> 01:56:59.170
report back, how
many lights did you get?
01:56:59.170 --> 01:57:01.150
How many hits did you get?
01:57:01.150 --> 01:57:04.480
How many one-on-ones did you get?
01:57:04.480 --> 01:57:06.630
And then have them,
we're going to incorporate
01:57:06.630 --> 01:57:08.580
the fellowship program this year,
01:57:08.580 --> 01:57:11.160
the churches that are
a part of the program
01:57:11.160 --> 01:57:14.298
are going to participate in earth day.
01:57:14.298 --> 01:57:17.020
That's going to be a requirement.
01:57:17.020 --> 01:57:19.193
We're going to do
another day of opportunity
01:57:19.193 --> 01:57:22.500
coming up in February and March.
01:57:22.500 --> 01:57:26.260
So now what we do whenever
we do any of our wealth building
01:57:26.260 --> 01:57:29.940
sessions with the university
and through our wealth building
01:57:29.940 --> 01:57:34.670
program, energy information
is always the second item
01:57:34.670 --> 01:57:39.461
on the agenda, because you
can get away with all the car.
01:57:39.461 --> 01:57:43.310
You can go public
transportation and you can change
01:57:43.310 --> 01:57:45.700
how you eat and reduce down your bills,
01:57:45.700 --> 01:57:50.700
but it's very, very hard to
have a home with no utilities.
01:57:51.110 --> 01:57:53.140
Also, that means it's a priority.
01:57:53.140 --> 01:57:54.970
So now what we try to do,
01:57:54.970 --> 01:57:58.260
and we've been pretty
successful at it is getting those
01:57:58.260 --> 01:58:01.710
ministries and incorporating
that train the trainer program,
01:58:01.710 --> 01:58:05.340
to where now that information,
when it gets to them.
01:58:05.340 --> 01:58:07.360
Now that information has some meaning,
01:58:07.360 --> 01:58:09.641
it's gonna impact that home.
01:58:09.641 --> 01:58:11.722
It's going to save on their bill, okay.
01:58:11.722 --> 01:58:13.561
The education piece, okay.
01:58:13.561 --> 01:58:16.390
You're going to get some
information that may even trigger
01:58:16.390 --> 01:58:18.077
you and to say, I want to be in,
01:58:18.077 --> 01:58:20.450
I want to take this as a career path,
01:58:20.450 --> 01:58:24.250
and then the community piece
of engaging those faith-based
01:58:24.250 --> 01:58:27.990
or community-based
organizations in our outreach efforts
01:58:27.990 --> 01:58:30.730
to get this information
out to those communities
01:58:30.730 --> 01:58:33.083
that are hardest to get to get to.
01:58:33.083 --> 01:58:36.500
Because again, when you're
doing events, most of them,
01:58:36.500 --> 01:58:38.130
if you're a single parent moms,
01:58:38.130 --> 01:58:40.820
you don't have time to go
to new event on Saturday,
01:58:40.820 --> 01:58:42.740
because now you're just
trying to get you a couple hours
01:58:42.740 --> 01:58:44.670
worth of rest, so you
can get yourself ready
01:58:44.670 --> 01:58:46.730
for offer Monday.
01:58:46.730 --> 01:58:49.920
And in closing one of the
things I think that has been
01:58:49.920 --> 01:58:53.730
a real benefit for us,
COVID hit some folk hard,
01:58:53.730 --> 01:58:56.280
but it did give us the
opportunity to go through
01:58:56.280 --> 01:58:59.230
and be one on one with our customers
01:58:59.230 --> 01:59:01.610
going through the ASAP program.
01:59:01.610 --> 01:59:05.300
And it gave us the opportunity
to navigate that person.
01:59:05.300 --> 01:59:10.300
We navigate every ESAP
application that we do, we navigate.
01:59:11.320 --> 01:59:15.740
Could you go back
forward, go back two slides.
01:59:15.740 --> 01:59:20.450
This one here, again, every
ESAP application assessment
01:59:20.450 --> 01:59:23.321
that we do, we email
while we're on the phone,
01:59:23.321 --> 01:59:25.600
we emailed the customer this email,
01:59:25.600 --> 01:59:27.780
and then all of you
could see one through 12,
01:59:27.780 --> 01:59:29.100
there are links.
01:59:29.100 --> 01:59:31.770
And then we walk that
customer through the links.
01:59:31.770 --> 01:59:34.991
You can see like down
here, the, my account online,
01:59:34.991 --> 01:59:37.280
they can click right onto it,
01:59:37.280 --> 01:59:39.250
put their service account number in,
01:59:39.250 --> 01:59:41.840
and then we can walk
them through and show them
01:59:41.840 --> 01:59:43.970
here's how you're utilizing your energy.
01:59:43.970 --> 01:59:47.050
And there may be a better way to do it.
01:59:47.050 --> 01:59:49.387
Our students that are part
of our internship program,
01:59:49.387 --> 01:59:52.070
one of their requirements
was they had to go through
01:59:52.070 --> 01:59:55.430
their own family members
if they had an Edison bill
01:59:55.430 --> 01:59:59.980
and then do this five minute
energy savings exercise.
01:59:59.980 --> 02:00:03.520
So again, you can see
a slide number of six,
02:00:03.520 --> 02:00:06.200
the east smart for kid, you
can see slide number three
02:00:06.200 --> 02:00:08.530
and four, the energy assistance fund.
02:00:08.530 --> 02:00:11.783
So what we did was just
created a resource page
02:00:11.783 --> 02:00:14.650
for the people that we service,
02:00:14.650 --> 02:00:16.960
and we take this same resource page,
02:00:16.960 --> 02:00:19.810
and we turn it over to the
ministries that we work with
02:00:19.810 --> 02:00:22.320
as well, and then let them customize it.
02:00:22.320 --> 02:00:26.450
And again, utilizing the students
because they're brain sets
02:00:26.450 --> 02:00:29.060
are just so far more
advanced in this social media
02:00:29.060 --> 02:00:31.660
environment than mine is, but again,
02:00:31.660 --> 02:00:34.240
getting them to get
that information out.
02:00:34.240 --> 02:00:36.780
And we really have been able, I believe,
02:00:36.780 --> 02:00:41.410
to make an impact, and again,
we would not have been able
02:00:41.410 --> 02:00:44.080
to do this if Edison
hadn't been supportive of it
02:00:44.080 --> 02:00:46.282
because they've
supported it financially,
02:00:46.282 --> 02:00:49.440
they've supported it physically.
02:00:49.440 --> 02:00:54.170
They'd been very, very
supportive and it's cost us a little
02:00:54.170 --> 02:00:58.800
bit to do it this way, but I
could see the end result
02:00:58.800 --> 02:01:03.520
of the project and that is,
we do have some young folks
02:01:03.520 --> 02:01:06.350
that have made the decision to say
02:01:06.350 --> 02:01:09.230
that they're gonna take
this energy environment
02:01:09.230 --> 02:01:10.870
as a career path.
02:01:10.870 --> 02:01:12.570
We're working with Dr. Richard Rhodes
02:01:12.570 --> 02:01:14.340
at the University of Laverne,
02:01:14.340 --> 02:01:17.410
one of our fellow students
as part of his project,
02:01:17.410 --> 02:01:21.390
he presented it to Dr. Rose,
Dr. Rose taken it to the powers
02:01:21.390 --> 02:01:22.900
to be at the University of Laverne.
02:01:22.900 --> 02:01:25.930
And they're working through
now doing the sustainability
02:01:25.930 --> 02:01:28.593
curriculum at the
master's at the PhD level.
02:01:29.680 --> 02:01:32.875
And we're partnering with
them to walk them through
02:01:32.875 --> 02:01:37.875
this process, again, we're excited about
02:01:37.920 --> 02:01:42.490
what's coming, the 2022,
02:01:42.490 --> 02:01:44.730
I really do believe that
we're gonna be able
02:01:44.730 --> 02:01:48.580
to on your hopefully, get this
program going in a direction
02:01:48.580 --> 02:01:51.300
where it will be a permanent program,
02:01:51.300 --> 02:01:55.189
and then working with other
community based organizations,
02:01:55.189 --> 02:01:59.190
if they want the model,
we share it all with them.
02:01:59.190 --> 02:02:01.930
If they want to be a part
of the project, we've been,
02:02:01.930 --> 02:02:05.500
we embrace anyone that
wants to be a part of the project,
02:02:05.500 --> 02:02:09.110
but we really do believe,
that if there's a problem
02:02:09.110 --> 02:02:11.750
with getting the information
out to the community,
02:02:11.750 --> 02:02:14.234
I think we've come up
with a viable solution,
02:02:14.234 --> 02:02:18.100
by taking it more on a grassroots level,
02:02:18.100 --> 02:02:20.730
we may not get the massive numbers,
02:02:20.730 --> 02:02:23.899
but I do believe that if we
continue to work at this way,
02:02:23.899 --> 02:02:27.600
the numbers will grow because
as that information gets out
02:02:27.600 --> 02:02:30.550
to the church, then because black vote,
02:02:30.550 --> 02:02:31.550
if we don't do anything else,
02:02:31.550 --> 02:02:33.350
we gonna go to church on Sunday
02:02:33.350 --> 02:02:35.480
and with it being virtual, now,
02:02:35.480 --> 02:02:37.450
it really has done an outreach,
02:02:37.450 --> 02:02:40.990
to expand out the breadth of the people
02:02:40.990 --> 02:02:43.080
that you're gonna be communicating with.
02:02:43.080 --> 02:02:46.680
And again, I'm very thankful for Edison,
02:02:46.680 --> 02:02:50.410
and the community has
expressed their thanks to Edison,
02:02:50.410 --> 02:02:53.326
and P you've seen pretty
much everyone, because again,
02:02:53.326 --> 02:02:57.170
this 2045 pathway initiative,
02:02:57.170 --> 02:02:59.320
we've stressed that it is for real.
02:02:59.320 --> 02:03:04.170
And we use the same
that if you're not at the table,
02:03:04.170 --> 02:03:06.050
you're gonna be on the table.
02:03:06.050 --> 02:03:08.340
And that's one of the things
that we really have stress with
02:03:08.340 --> 02:03:12.250
our young folk and our
ministries that we want our people
02:03:12.250 --> 02:03:13.940
to be on top of this.
02:03:13.940 --> 02:03:18.940
So when 2045 comps, then
they'll already be able to take
02:03:19.070 --> 02:03:23.170
advantage of what's coming,
because again, it's coming.
02:03:23.170 --> 02:03:27.030
And we really do believe
that if we continue on this road
02:03:27.030 --> 02:03:28.103
and the path that we're on,
02:03:28.103 --> 02:03:31.120
I think it's going to be successful.
02:03:31.120 --> 02:03:33.440
And I think we'll be able
to reach the communities
02:03:33.440 --> 02:03:35.210
that we've been targeted to reach
02:03:35.210 --> 02:03:36.930
and do it with some success.
02:03:36.930 --> 02:03:38.280
Anybody have any questions?
02:03:40.820 --> 02:03:43.130
Well, thank you very
much, Reverend Jackson
02:03:43.130 --> 02:03:44.930
appreciate the third presentation
02:03:44.930 --> 02:03:47.230
and all the good information members.
02:03:47.230 --> 02:03:48.220
I know we're a little overtime,
02:03:48.220 --> 02:03:50.600
but we'll come back
a little bit after one.
02:03:50.600 --> 02:03:53.340
There's some things later in
the agenda that we'll probably
02:03:53.340 --> 02:03:56.483
catch up with, which
happens periodically,
02:03:56.483 --> 02:03:58.710
but we do have time
for a couple of questions.
02:03:58.710 --> 02:04:03.070
So Lourdes, I know you
and the honor of introductions
02:04:03.070 --> 02:04:05.800
for the speaker, did you want
to start with any questions?
02:04:05.800 --> 02:04:10.800
Okay, great, any questions or
comments from other members
02:04:11.110 --> 02:04:12.137
of the Board?
02:04:14.020 --> 02:04:16.390
Yes, I just want to
thank Reverend Jackson
02:04:16.390 --> 02:04:20.230
for his commitment to the
African-American community.
02:04:20.230 --> 02:04:22.180
I mean, he is the real deal.
02:04:22.180 --> 02:04:24.550
As you can see, he speaks with passion.
02:04:24.550 --> 02:04:27.870
I have had the opportunity
to not only work with him,
02:04:27.870 --> 02:04:30.020
but serve on a couple of Boards,
02:04:30.020 --> 02:04:34.130
working groups and advisory
panels, and he's a real deal.
02:04:34.130 --> 02:04:37.010
Great presentation, thank you
so much, Reverend Jackson.
02:04:37.010 --> 02:04:40.663
I appreciate you Ms.
Watts that's my mentor.
02:04:46.850 --> 02:04:48.140
Very good, and I think I saw
02:04:48.140 --> 02:04:49.890
Board member Lim;s hand up as well.
02:04:51.350 --> 02:04:53.510
Thank you, that's a
lot faster than finding
02:04:53.510 --> 02:04:56.350
the virtual hand.
02:04:56.350 --> 02:04:59.595
Oh, I also just wanted to add
my thanks to Reverend Jackson.
02:04:59.595 --> 02:05:03.610
This was such an inspirational
presentation and super happy
02:05:03.610 --> 02:05:05.930
that Edison was able to
partner with you on this.
02:05:05.930 --> 02:05:09.523
And we had a lot of side
chats going on a lot of fans here.
02:05:11.170 --> 02:05:13.900
And so just want to thank
you for really taking that energy
02:05:13.900 --> 02:05:15.360
education up to the next level.
02:05:15.360 --> 02:05:18.140
And to hear that it's going
to impact people's career
02:05:18.140 --> 02:05:21.090
choices, I mean, that's so impactful,
02:05:21.090 --> 02:05:23.230
and I've had the pleasure of
working with you personally
02:05:23.230 --> 02:05:25.160
at the clean energy access working group
02:05:25.160 --> 02:05:26.430
in some of these other meetings.
02:05:26.430 --> 02:05:28.250
So really excited to see you here.
02:05:28.250 --> 02:05:30.570
I just wanted to offer
a quick thank you.
02:05:30.570 --> 02:05:31.403
Thank you.
02:05:33.990 --> 02:05:35.940
And I think a Board
member Castaneda
02:05:35.940 --> 02:05:38.380
I see your hand up also.
02:05:38.380 --> 02:05:40.645
Yeah, and again,
thank you, reverend.
02:05:40.645 --> 02:05:44.530
I think that what you did
is you showed the value
02:05:44.530 --> 02:05:46.160
of not only what you do,
02:05:46.160 --> 02:05:48.615
but programs that enable what you do
02:05:48.615 --> 02:05:53.420
directly with your community
and speaking directly to ESA.
02:05:53.420 --> 02:05:56.240
So thank you for participation.
02:05:56.240 --> 02:05:58.900
I think I'm gonna share the
word in terms of the model
02:05:58.900 --> 02:06:02.100
that you put the really
the formula that you put out
02:06:02.990 --> 02:06:06.380
that not only delivers
ESA core services,
02:06:06.380 --> 02:06:10.040
but frankly provides
added value in connection
02:06:10.040 --> 02:06:15.040
with a challenging world that
energy provides or presents
02:06:15.120 --> 02:06:18.050
rather in terms of bills
and burden and things
02:06:18.050 --> 02:06:21.736
of this nature and
helping helping folks,
02:06:21.736 --> 02:06:23.620
navigate through that environment.
02:06:23.620 --> 02:06:27.340
And so, as I would
hope you were part of the,
02:06:27.340 --> 02:06:30.750
at least listened into some
of the discussion earlier today,
02:06:30.750 --> 02:06:33.880
these are some of the
additional value adds and benefits
02:06:33.880 --> 02:06:35.510
that come out of reset.
02:06:35.510 --> 02:06:40.070
When we engage CBOs,
when we engage faith-based
02:06:40.070 --> 02:06:44.301
organizations, when we
engage minority small business,
02:06:44.301 --> 02:06:46.600
with our program, because again,
02:06:46.600 --> 02:06:50.150
those benefits can be
directly related with community.
02:06:50.150 --> 02:06:53.660
And sir, you so eloquently
provided that information
02:06:53.660 --> 02:06:55.903
to us today, so I thank you very much.
02:06:55.903 --> 02:06:57.703
I appreciate
that, thank you, sir.
02:07:01.440 --> 02:07:05.193
Any other questions or comments
from members of the Board?
02:07:07.580 --> 02:07:11.267
Okay, well, Reverend
Jackson, thank you once again,
02:07:11.267 --> 02:07:12.920
and thank you for your
patience and waiting.
02:07:12.920 --> 02:07:15.810
I know we were a little
bit behind this morning.
02:07:15.810 --> 02:07:18.000
I think I want to know where
your energy comes from.
02:07:18.000 --> 02:07:20.960
'Cause I have a feeling it
might be just slightly younger
02:07:20.960 --> 02:07:23.470
than you, but you seem to be
way more energetic than I am.
02:07:23.470 --> 02:07:25.370
And I'm a little jealous of but.
02:07:25.370 --> 02:07:30.143
I just turned 67 on Friday.
02:07:31.354 --> 02:07:33.610
Wow, well, happy
birthday belated.
02:07:33.610 --> 02:07:35.712
And thank you once again.
02:07:35.712 --> 02:07:38.970
And thank you to Board
member Medina for the invitation
02:07:40.320 --> 02:07:42.429
Board members, 12:21.
02:07:42.429 --> 02:07:44.510
So why don't we come
back at 10 after again,
02:07:44.510 --> 02:07:46.437
I think we'll catch up with
some of these afternoon items
02:07:46.437 --> 02:07:49.550
and that way everybody can
have almost a full hour break
02:07:49.550 --> 02:07:51.803
and thank you once more.
02:07:51.803 --> 02:07:54.880
It's the Reverend Jackson
and I'll see you all varies there.
02:07:54.880 --> 02:07:57.250
So we're coming
back at one o'clock?
02:07:57.250 --> 02:08:01.499
We'll be back at 1:10
and I'll put up a slide
02:08:01.499 --> 02:08:02.990
that says that too.
02:08:02.990 --> 02:08:05.063
Okay, thank you guys.
02:08:07.360 --> 02:08:09.710
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Welcome back, everybody,
it looks like we have quorum.
02:08:15.200 --> 02:08:19.490
We might have one or two
members coming in slightly late
02:08:20.580 --> 02:08:24.643
to recap, I know the
discussion from item four
02:08:27.600 --> 02:08:31.650
was ongoing and we might
want to discuss next steps,
02:08:31.650 --> 02:08:34.490
but without I think it,
02:08:34.490 --> 02:08:35.767
it overlaps a little
bit with item eight.
02:08:35.767 --> 02:08:39.547
And so that might be the
time in place to do that.
02:08:39.547 --> 02:08:44.547
And I know we have some
folks scheduled for items six
02:08:44.582 --> 02:08:48.325
and seven, so with that, like
Gillian would you like to do
02:08:48.325 --> 02:08:51.570
the introductions for item six?
02:08:51.570 --> 02:08:53.230
Yes, thank you.
02:08:53.230 --> 02:08:56.970
So item six is an update on
the affordability proceeding,
02:08:56.970 --> 02:09:01.080
and we have some CPU
staff here to present on that,
02:09:01.080 --> 02:09:05.440
you have Ankit Jain and
of the Energy Division
02:09:05.440 --> 02:09:08.690
and Jefferson Hancock of Water Division
02:09:08.690 --> 02:09:11.100
to give a presentation.
02:09:11.100 --> 02:09:14.043
So with that, I will
pass the mic to them.
02:09:15.900 --> 02:09:17.833
Thank you, thank
you for the opportunity
02:09:17.833 --> 02:09:20.463
to talk about the
affordability proceeding today.
02:09:21.790 --> 02:09:24.447
So before we dive into the
phase two staff proposal,
02:09:24.447 --> 02:09:27.590
I want to do a quick
overview of where we are
02:09:27.590 --> 02:09:31.459
in the procedural timeline
for this proceeding.
02:09:31.459 --> 02:09:35.247
The first phase of this
proceeding wrapped up in 2020
02:09:36.980 --> 02:09:41.193
with the adoption of the
decision that you see there,
02:09:42.180 --> 02:09:47.120
which adopted the
three affordability metrics
02:09:47.120 --> 02:09:50.746
with some slight modifications
to what was proposed
02:09:50.746 --> 02:09:51.993
in the revised staff proposal.
02:09:53.060 --> 02:09:56.570
That decision also directed
staff to develop the annual
02:09:56.570 --> 02:10:00.800
affordability report, the first
issue of which we released
02:10:00.800 --> 02:10:04.770
in April of this year, and
also kicked off a phase two,
02:10:04.770 --> 02:10:08.250
the proceeding, which has
been focused on developing
02:10:08.250 --> 02:10:12.060
a methodology for forecasting
feature values of the metrics,
02:10:12.060 --> 02:10:14.990
as well as developing
recommendations for how those metrics
02:10:14.990 --> 02:10:18.873
would be incorporated into
the CPACs decision-making.
02:10:20.200 --> 02:10:25.040
So the staff issued a
staff proposal in November
02:10:25.040 --> 02:10:28.060
of this year and held a
workshop to gather party input.
02:10:28.060 --> 02:10:31.360
And we are currently
expecting a proposed decision
02:10:31.360 --> 02:10:33.453
in the first half of 2022.
02:10:34.640 --> 02:10:39.640
Next slide, so before we
dive into the staff proposal,
02:10:40.890 --> 02:10:43.400
we're gonna do a very quick
overview of the three metrics
02:10:43.400 --> 02:10:46.630
that were adopted in the
phase one in this proceeding,
02:10:46.630 --> 02:10:49.315
the three metrics are
shown down below here.
02:10:49.315 --> 02:10:51.720
The first metric kind
of our Keystone metric
02:10:51.720 --> 02:10:53.870
is the affordability ratio.
02:10:53.870 --> 02:10:57.508
This is a variation of
the utility burden metric,
02:10:57.508 --> 02:11:01.560
where we account for
non-discretionary expenses,
02:11:01.560 --> 02:11:05.093
such as housing and
other utility expenses.
02:11:05.093 --> 02:11:08.570
When we look at what percentage
of household income goes
02:11:08.570 --> 02:11:12.420
towards paying for essential
levels of utility service,
02:11:12.420 --> 02:11:15.200
this is a metric that can
be measured for households
02:11:15.200 --> 02:11:17.520
at any point in the income distribution.
02:11:17.520 --> 02:11:21.630
And our work has focused on
households that are at the 20th
02:11:21.630 --> 02:11:23.450
percentile of the income distribution
02:11:23.450 --> 02:11:24.710
within their communities,
02:11:24.710 --> 02:11:27.932
as well as households that
are at the 50th percentile
02:11:27.932 --> 02:11:29.620
or the median income.
02:11:29.620 --> 02:11:32.760
The second metric is the
hours and minimum wage.
02:11:32.760 --> 02:11:35.580
This is a metric it's
fairly straight forward.
02:11:35.580 --> 02:11:38.783
It looks at how many hours
members of the household
02:11:38.783 --> 02:11:41.924
would have to work over
the course of the month
02:11:41.924 --> 02:11:44.720
if they were earning
minimum wage in order to pay
02:11:44.720 --> 02:11:48.060
for an essential level
of their utility services.
02:11:48.060 --> 02:11:51.080
And then the third
metric is the SEVI metrics,
02:11:51.080 --> 02:11:53.350
socioeconomic vulnerability index,
02:11:53.350 --> 02:11:56.570
which is derived from the
CalEnviroScreen metric
02:11:56.570 --> 02:12:01.140
and specifically looks at the
socioeconomic sub-components
02:12:01.140 --> 02:12:01.993
of that metric.
02:12:03.360 --> 02:12:04.860
So if we go to the next slide,
02:12:08.000 --> 02:12:11.570
so the phase two staff
proposal kind of covers
02:12:11.570 --> 02:12:13.123
three main topic areas.
02:12:14.320 --> 02:12:17.665
The first topic area is the
affordability ratio calculator
02:12:17.665 --> 02:12:19.470
and associated with that.
02:12:19.470 --> 02:12:22.730
The forecasting methodology
for how this metric
02:12:22.730 --> 02:12:25.949
can be forecasted into future years.
02:12:25.949 --> 02:12:30.160
The idea behind this was
staff wanted to develop a tool
02:12:30.160 --> 02:12:33.770
that would be publicly
available to help stakeholders
02:12:33.770 --> 02:12:35.190
calculate the AR metric,
02:12:35.190 --> 02:12:38.570
the affordability ratio metric
in recognition of the fact,
02:12:38.570 --> 02:12:41.940
this is a fairly complicated
metric with that requires
02:12:41.940 --> 02:12:46.940
input from multiple data
sources and is a calculated fairly
02:12:46.946 --> 02:12:49.383
geographically granular level.
02:12:50.978 --> 02:12:55.978
The second element of the
staff proposal covers our attempt
02:12:56.580 --> 02:12:59.120
to provide additional
context to these metrics kind
02:12:59.120 --> 02:13:01.230
of in recognition that they're new,
02:13:01.230 --> 02:13:05.290
particularly the affordability
ratio and the SEVI metric.
02:13:05.290 --> 02:13:09.290
So to that end staff developed
a couple of definitions
02:13:09.290 --> 02:13:14.110
to identify vulnerable communities
using the AR and the SEVI
02:13:14.110 --> 02:13:16.980
metrics and in doing so
hopefully providing additional
02:13:16.980 --> 02:13:19.572
context for how to
interpret those metrics.
02:13:19.572 --> 02:13:23.820
And then third, the staff
proposal lays out some industry
02:13:23.820 --> 02:13:26.948
specific recommendations
for how to implement
02:13:26.948 --> 02:13:30.520
those metrics within the
CPUC decision-making.
02:13:30.520 --> 02:13:32.670
And what we're going to talk
about today toward the end
02:13:32.670 --> 02:13:35.010
of the presentation are the energy
02:13:35.010 --> 02:13:36.973
and water specific recommendations.
02:13:38.090 --> 02:13:39.440
So we go to the next slide.
02:13:43.210 --> 02:13:46.910
So first the affordability
ratio calculator, like I said,
02:13:46.910 --> 02:13:51.910
this is a tool that staff has
developed and we've released
02:13:52.020 --> 02:13:56.100
a first version of it that we
will be continuing to update
02:13:56.100 --> 02:13:58.935
on an annual basis and issuing alongside
02:13:58.935 --> 02:14:01.600
the annual affordability report.
02:14:01.600 --> 02:14:05.532
The idea behind it is this
tool would allow stakeholders
02:14:05.532 --> 02:14:08.560
for any parties to any proceeding,
02:14:08.560 --> 02:14:12.920
to input their expected
essential usage bills
02:14:12.920 --> 02:14:14.640
for utility services,
02:14:14.640 --> 02:14:18.300
and then use that input to
derive what the affordability
02:14:18.300 --> 02:14:22.530
ratio results would look
like both for current years,
02:14:22.530 --> 02:14:25.293
as well as forecasted
out into future years,
02:14:26.320 --> 02:14:28.850
kind of baked into the
supportability ratio calculator
02:14:28.850 --> 02:14:31.410
is the methodology for
how we're gonna forecast
02:14:32.313 --> 02:14:34.969
the affordability ratio
metric into future years
02:14:34.969 --> 02:14:38.120
and specifically how we're
gonna look at what changes
02:14:38.120 --> 02:14:41.850
in income levels and housing
costs are expected to look like
02:14:41.850 --> 02:14:43.750
across different regions of the state.
02:14:44.600 --> 02:14:49.130
So that methodology is
gonna rely on economic forecast
02:14:49.130 --> 02:14:51.350
to the state's department
of finance produces,
02:14:51.350 --> 02:14:54.340
specifically around their CPI forecast,
02:14:54.340 --> 02:14:55.690
their consumer price index.
02:14:58.410 --> 02:15:00.330
That tool will, like I said,
02:15:00.330 --> 02:15:03.890
will be available to parties
and would allow parties
02:15:03.890 --> 02:15:06.640
to calculate the AR metrics
at a geographically granular
02:15:06.640 --> 02:15:10.070
level and for instance,
include those metrics
02:15:10.070 --> 02:15:15.070
in any applications that
they submit as well as
02:15:15.480 --> 02:15:19.950
allow stakeholders to
evaluate the affordability
02:15:19.950 --> 02:15:23.240
implications of counterfactual proposals
02:15:23.240 --> 02:15:25.880
and discuss the
affordability implications
02:15:25.880 --> 02:15:27.270
using this common language
02:15:27.270 --> 02:15:28.970
of the affordability ratio metric.
02:15:30.050 --> 02:15:31.250
So go to the next slide.
02:15:34.070 --> 02:15:36.850
So just have a couple of
screenshots to show what the tool
02:15:36.850 --> 02:15:39.010
looks like in terms of
the inputs and the outputs
02:15:39.010 --> 02:15:40.160
and how it can be used.
02:15:41.154 --> 02:15:44.340
These screenshots look
at the inputs to the tool
02:15:44.340 --> 02:15:48.293
for the electricity industry.
02:15:49.150 --> 02:15:51.880
The example that I've got
here is how the tool would be
02:15:51.880 --> 02:15:55.330
used if we were looking at
the affordability implications
02:15:55.330 --> 02:16:00.330
of the SCE 2021 GRC
track three revenue requests.
02:16:01.250 --> 02:16:04.670
So the on the left side,
02:16:04.670 --> 02:16:07.360
this box shows what the
inputs are for the essential usage
02:16:07.360 --> 02:16:11.300
bills for basic electric
service on the left,
02:16:11.300 --> 02:16:14.951
the essential usage
bills for all electric service
02:16:14.951 --> 02:16:16.900
in the 2021 column,
02:16:16.900 --> 02:16:21.103
you'll see the white shaded
cells for the SCE climate zones.
02:16:22.222 --> 02:16:26.520
This is what the essential
usage bills would be using
02:16:26.520 --> 02:16:30.270
the rates that are
currently in effect in 2021.
02:16:30.270 --> 02:16:32.870
And in 2022, this is what
the essential usage bills
02:16:32.870 --> 02:16:35.930
would look like if the GRC
track three revenue request
02:16:35.930 --> 02:16:39.430
was approved for both the basic service
02:16:39.430 --> 02:16:41.130
and then all electric service.
02:16:41.130 --> 02:16:45.375
So the inputs are climate
zone level essential usage bills.
02:16:45.375 --> 02:16:50.320
And then you'll see on the
next slide, the output are,
02:16:50.320 --> 02:16:51.470
can go to the next one.
02:16:54.220 --> 02:16:57.860
The outputs would be
the affordability ratio results
02:16:57.860 --> 02:16:59.923
at the climate zone level as well.
02:17:01.240 --> 02:17:04.780
So what we have here are
the affordability ratio results
02:17:04.780 --> 02:17:07.080
for households at the 20th
percentile of the income
02:17:07.080 --> 02:17:10.247
distribution, as well as
households at the 50th percentile
02:17:10.247 --> 02:17:11.660
of the income distribution,
02:17:11.660 --> 02:17:16.621
on the left hand box shows
what the results look like
02:17:16.621 --> 02:17:21.120
for 2021 using the
essential usage bills,
02:17:21.120 --> 02:17:25.780
reflecting current rates and
2022 showing what the change
02:17:25.780 --> 02:17:29.251
in those affordability
ratio results look like.
02:17:29.251 --> 02:17:33.110
Assuming that the track
three revenue requests.
02:17:33.110 --> 02:17:35.830
Keep in mind the change
in AR values here reflect
02:17:35.830 --> 02:17:38.440
not just the change
in essential usage bills,
02:17:38.440 --> 02:17:42.340
but also the change in household
incomes and housing costs
02:17:42.340 --> 02:17:44.963
based on the department
of finances forecast.
02:17:46.440 --> 02:17:48.550
And then I can go to the next slide.
02:17:48.550 --> 02:17:51.840
We'll also see that in
addition to providing results
02:17:51.840 --> 02:17:53.130
at the climate zone level,
02:17:53.130 --> 02:17:56.200
the tool provides results
at more granular geographic
02:17:56.200 --> 02:17:59.720
scales, this is looking at
a couple of climate zones,
02:17:59.720 --> 02:18:03.397
broken down into Pumas,
public use micro data areas,
02:18:03.397 --> 02:18:07.690
which are census bureau
defined geographies that are a bit
02:18:07.690 --> 02:18:11.580
more granular than
the utility climate zones,
02:18:11.580 --> 02:18:13.350
and allows you to
kind of get a better idea
02:18:13.350 --> 02:18:15.380
of what the results look like
02:18:15.380 --> 02:18:17.353
at closer to a community scale.
02:18:20.200 --> 02:18:21.933
So if we go to the next slide,
02:18:24.800 --> 02:18:28.910
we can move on to the second
element of the staff proposal,
02:18:28.910 --> 02:18:33.510
which is the identification
of vulnerable communities.
02:18:33.510 --> 02:18:36.770
Like I said, scaffolding to
provide some additional context
02:18:36.770 --> 02:18:41.060
for the AR and the 70 metrics
and we've done so through
02:18:41.060 --> 02:18:42.840
these three concepts here,
02:18:42.840 --> 02:18:45.757
the first two relate to the
affordability ratio metric.
02:18:45.757 --> 02:18:49.192
And the third one is
related to the 70 metric,
02:18:49.192 --> 02:18:52.430
basically with the via
affordability demarcations.
02:18:52.430 --> 02:18:54.740
What we've done is we've
taken a look at the results
02:18:54.740 --> 02:18:58.110
from the 2019 annual
affordability report
02:19:00.050 --> 02:19:03.603
specifically what
those results look like,
02:19:03.603 --> 02:19:07.320
the distribution of the
results across the state,
02:19:07.320 --> 02:19:09.130
within each of the industries.
02:19:09.130 --> 02:19:12.260
And we've identified inflection
points in those distribution
02:19:12.260 --> 02:19:17.203
plots that kind of,
the AR levels at which,
02:19:18.222 --> 02:19:22.820
we feel that the affordability
concerns are particularly
02:19:22.820 --> 02:19:27.820
acute, so it's a small
percentage of communities
02:19:28.760 --> 02:19:31.890
in the state that have air
values that are at that level
02:19:31.890 --> 02:19:36.150
or above, and those values
are significantly higher
02:19:36.150 --> 02:19:37.760
than the AR values that we are seeing
02:19:37.760 --> 02:19:40.900
in the rest of the state within
each of those industries.
02:19:40.900 --> 02:19:43.780
And then kind of dovetailing
on that concept is this idea
02:19:43.780 --> 02:19:46.450
of the areas of affordability concern,
02:19:46.450 --> 02:19:49.030
which is the specific census tracks,
02:19:49.030 --> 02:19:52.300
where we are seeing AR
20 values that are higher
02:19:52.300 --> 02:19:54.630
than the affordability
demarcation values.
02:19:54.630 --> 02:19:57.330
And I'll show some examples
of this in the next slide.
02:19:58.500 --> 02:20:01.590
The third concept is this
idea of the SEVI-DACs.
02:20:01.590 --> 02:20:05.223
It's a variation of the
disadvantaged communities,
02:20:05.223 --> 02:20:10.223
which is defined in the yesterday
action plan census tracks,
02:20:10.370 --> 02:20:14.821
where CalEnviroScreens
are scores are in the top 25%.
02:20:14.821 --> 02:20:16.620
Well, we've done something similar,
02:20:16.620 --> 02:20:19.530
but instead of using the
full CalEnviroScreen scores,
02:20:19.530 --> 02:20:21.510
we're just using the SEVI scores,
02:20:21.510 --> 02:20:24.650
which are derived from the
socioeconomic components
02:20:24.650 --> 02:20:26.010
of the CTS.
02:20:26.010 --> 02:20:28.850
And I'll show you kind of
how those two different sets
02:20:28.850 --> 02:20:32.023
of data compare to one another.
02:20:32.990 --> 02:20:37.990
The idea is that staff
will issue lists of the areas
02:20:38.930 --> 02:20:41.700
of affordability concern
and the SEVI-DACs
02:20:41.700 --> 02:20:44.647
annually alongside the
annual affordability report
02:20:44.647 --> 02:20:48.363
and the updated affordability
ratio calculator each year.
02:20:50.001 --> 02:20:51.443
So if you go to the next slide,
02:20:56.970 --> 02:21:00.680
so this is a as an
example of what the areas
02:21:00.680 --> 02:21:03.793
of affordability concern
look like on the electric side,
02:21:05.010 --> 02:21:08.860
the map on the right
shows two things really,
02:21:08.860 --> 02:21:12.083
it shows the areas of
affordability concern
02:21:12.083 --> 02:21:14.670
for electric service,
02:21:14.670 --> 02:21:17.470
which is gonna be the
areas that are highlighted red
02:21:17.470 --> 02:21:20.560
and green, the green being the overlap
02:21:20.560 --> 02:21:23.740
with the other kind of
vulnerable communities.
02:21:23.740 --> 02:21:26.860
I wanted to show here, which
are the ESG communities.
02:21:26.860 --> 02:21:28.560
So these would be the
communities defined
02:21:28.560 --> 02:21:30.870
in the ESG action plan.
02:21:30.870 --> 02:21:34.878
They include the disadvantaged
communities, tribal lands,
02:21:34.878 --> 02:21:39.878
areas where average
incomes are below 80%
02:21:41.780 --> 02:21:43.603
of state median income.
02:21:44.780 --> 02:21:46.020
And as you can see,
02:21:46.020 --> 02:21:48.370
those are the areas that
are in purple and they cover
02:21:48.370 --> 02:21:51.573
quite a broad swath of the state,
02:21:52.550 --> 02:21:54.980
the areas of affordability
concern on the other hand,
02:21:54.980 --> 02:21:59.090
kind of hone in on specifically
on the areas that are really
02:21:59.090 --> 02:22:02.370
seeing the most significant
affordability concerns
02:22:02.370 --> 02:22:07.370
as denoted by the
affordability ratio metric.
02:22:07.700 --> 02:22:11.098
So there's a little bit of overlap
between the two concepts,
02:22:11.098 --> 02:22:13.520
but the areas of affordability concern,
02:22:13.520 --> 02:22:16.020
I think are gonna be a bit more targeted
02:22:16.020 --> 02:22:18.800
in terms of which communities
are being highlighted.
02:22:18.800 --> 02:22:21.450
And so this is the
electric results specifically,
02:22:21.450 --> 02:22:24.997
but we are able to do
something similar for natural gas
02:22:24.997 --> 02:22:26.823
and communication services as well.
02:22:29.050 --> 02:22:30.550
So if we go to the next slide,
02:22:32.720 --> 02:22:34.960
what I wanted to show
here was the overlap
02:22:34.960 --> 02:22:37.710
between the traditional definition
02:22:37.710 --> 02:22:40.200
of disadvantaged
communities, which like I said,
02:22:40.200 --> 02:22:44.670
is based on the CalEnviroScreen
score and our definition
02:22:44.670 --> 02:22:47.470
of SEVI disadvantaged communities,
02:22:47.470 --> 02:22:50.760
which is based on top
25% of SEVI scores,
02:22:50.760 --> 02:22:53.320
you can see that there's some overlap.
02:22:53.320 --> 02:22:55.570
Those are the areas
that are shaded in green.
02:22:56.470 --> 02:23:00.560
Whereas the blue areas
are the traditional DACs
02:23:00.560 --> 02:23:04.101
and the orange areas are the SEVI-DACs.
02:23:04.101 --> 02:23:07.570
The main takeaway I wanted
to provide with this map
02:23:07.570 --> 02:23:11.290
is to show that by focusing
on the socioeconomic elements
02:23:11.290 --> 02:23:13.510
of CalEnviroScreen specifically,
02:23:13.510 --> 02:23:17.690
we're able to kind of identify
a different set of census
02:23:17.690 --> 02:23:21.660
tracks that we are defining
as disadvantaged communities.
02:23:21.660 --> 02:23:25.176
So just kind of giving
decision-makers a couple of different
02:23:25.176 --> 02:23:28.640
options for how to identify
vulnerable communities,
02:23:28.640 --> 02:23:32.140
whether it be based purely on
socioeconomic considerations
02:23:32.140 --> 02:23:34.330
or whether we want to take
into account the full suite
02:23:34.330 --> 02:23:37.870
of risks, including
environmental pollutants
02:23:37.870 --> 02:23:41.923
and whatnot, to the next slide.
02:23:48.300 --> 02:23:51.130
Moving into the industry
specific recommendations
02:23:51.130 --> 02:23:53.670
that are part of the staff proposal.
02:23:53.670 --> 02:23:54.700
On the energy side,
02:23:54.700 --> 02:23:57.290
we have two main use
cases that we identified
02:23:57.290 --> 02:24:02.060
for how we want or how we
recommend these metrics be used.
02:24:02.060 --> 02:24:05.490
The first use cases to
understand what the affordability
02:24:05.490 --> 02:24:08.660
implications are of a
proposed rate increase.
02:24:08.660 --> 02:24:13.016
So the recommendation here
is that for all GRC applications
02:24:13.016 --> 02:24:18.016
and any non GRC applications
that include a proposed revenue
02:24:18.290 --> 02:24:22.440
requirement increase of
greater than 1% utilities,
02:24:22.440 --> 02:24:26.970
whether they be IOUs or SMJ
use would be required to include
02:24:26.970 --> 02:24:29.920
the affordability metrics
in their application
02:24:29.920 --> 02:24:32.960
and an analysis of what
the affordability implications
02:24:32.960 --> 02:24:35.390
would be based on those metrics.
02:24:35.390 --> 02:24:37.960
And this is kind of where
the affordability ratio calculator
02:24:37.960 --> 02:24:42.883
really comes into play in terms
of helping the IOUs produce
02:24:44.260 --> 02:24:46.477
those calculations for the
affordability ration metric
02:24:46.477 --> 02:24:51.477
and kind of a standardized
way and remove any mystery
02:24:52.010 --> 02:24:55.153
as to how they they've come
up with those calculations.
02:24:57.356 --> 02:24:59.156
And then if we go to the next slide,
02:25:01.180 --> 02:25:05.180
the second use case that
the that's including the staff
02:25:05.180 --> 02:25:08.960
proposal on the energy side
is the use of the affordability
02:25:08.960 --> 02:25:11.432
metrics to prioritize program resources
02:25:11.432 --> 02:25:14.080
for eligible customers.
02:25:14.080 --> 02:25:17.230
For instance, when we're
talking about assistance programs,
02:25:17.230 --> 02:25:21.540
the example that we've
highlighted here is the recent
02:25:21.540 --> 02:25:24.220
decision for the ESA program,
02:25:24.220 --> 02:25:26.910
which we think can serve as a
model for how other assistance
02:25:26.910 --> 02:25:30.350
programs can use these
metrics to help target
02:25:30.350 --> 02:25:32.863
the allocation of resources.
02:25:33.710 --> 02:25:37.630
So in that decision IOU's
are required to file a tier two
02:25:37.630 --> 02:25:39.960
advice letter detailing,
02:25:39.960 --> 02:25:43.536
how they would sort of
segment customers and identify
02:25:43.536 --> 02:25:46.890
specific low-income
customers who would be eligible
02:25:46.890 --> 02:25:50.830
for enhanced energy
efficiency, treatment measures,
02:25:50.830 --> 02:25:55.410
and included in the
possible criteria that the IOUs
02:25:55.410 --> 02:25:59.260
can use are the SEVI and
the affordability ratio metrics.
02:25:59.260 --> 02:26:03.110
So the idea would be for
instance, utility screening,
02:26:03.110 --> 02:26:08.110
to identify, using the
metrics that can identify
02:26:09.130 --> 02:26:11.570
parts of the state, where those metrics,
02:26:11.570 --> 02:26:14.250
the values for those
metrics are particularly high.
02:26:14.250 --> 02:26:17.810
And if customers are live in
those areas and are eligible
02:26:17.810 --> 02:26:20.610
for the program due
to their income levels,
02:26:20.610 --> 02:26:22.470
then they would be
eligible not just for the basic
02:26:22.470 --> 02:26:24.870
treatments, but for
enhanced treatments as well.
02:26:25.903 --> 02:26:28.120
So we think that this
could be a good model
02:26:28.120 --> 02:26:29.080
for how the metrics should be used
02:26:29.080 --> 02:26:31.073
in other proceedings as well.
02:26:32.160 --> 02:26:35.940
And with that, I'm going
to turn it over to Jefferson,
02:26:35.940 --> 02:26:39.050
to talk through some
of the recommendations
02:26:39.050 --> 02:26:41.903
on the water side, the next slide.
02:26:47.740 --> 02:26:50.350
Thanks, Ankit, I
appreciate the good summary
02:26:50.350 --> 02:26:54.010
of the affordability framework
so far and there's metrics,
02:26:54.010 --> 02:26:56.800
including our latest
work in the stock proposal
02:26:58.100 --> 02:27:00.500
for implementation in the water sector,
02:27:00.500 --> 02:27:04.410
there's three main components
to this that I want to touch
02:27:04.410 --> 02:27:06.633
on briefly, and we
can go to the next slide.
02:27:08.760 --> 02:27:11.420
The first of these
components is just a calculation
02:27:11.420 --> 02:27:14.716
of these metrics as
something we want to bring
02:27:14.716 --> 02:27:19.716
into the Commission's
decision-making again for water,
02:27:20.120 --> 02:27:23.100
the use case mostly
follows energy's first use case
02:27:23.100 --> 02:27:27.400
of calculating these metrics for rate
02:27:27.400 --> 02:27:28.850
or revenue increase requests.
02:27:30.070 --> 02:27:32.140
The kind of triggering
threshold for that,
02:27:32.140 --> 02:27:36.560
that was recommended in
the proposal was shown here
02:27:36.560 --> 02:27:39.810
kind of in line with the
guidance from the Commission's
02:27:39.810 --> 02:27:41.860
existing rules of
practice and procedure,
02:27:42.980 --> 02:27:45.393
recognizing that in
calculating these metrics,
02:27:45.393 --> 02:27:47.880
we want to have kind
of a before and after.
02:27:47.880 --> 02:27:51.050
So we can see not just how
much a given rate request
02:27:51.050 --> 02:27:53.740
is affecting affordability overall,
02:27:53.740 --> 02:27:58.740
but how the affordability
impact posed may differ
02:27:59.330 --> 02:28:02.163
from the affordability impact
that's ultimately adopted.
02:28:03.450 --> 02:28:06.600
And so kind of to
facilitate that we're hoping
02:28:06.600 --> 02:28:09.870
to kind of work together
between one division staff
02:28:09.870 --> 02:28:12.380
utilities and other stakeholders.
02:28:12.380 --> 02:28:13.433
Next slide, please,
02:28:18.240 --> 02:28:22.040
again, in line with Energy
Divisions kind of use case number
02:28:22.040 --> 02:28:26.773
one is, in certain cases in
particular formal proceedings,
02:28:27.860 --> 02:28:32.010
we recommended a more in-depth analysis
02:28:32.010 --> 02:28:36.503
of those affordability
metrics to kind of get a better
02:28:37.520 --> 02:28:39.620
sense of what some
of the causes might be,
02:28:40.890 --> 02:28:45.890
why that affordability metric
basically why the metrics
02:28:46.500 --> 02:28:48.340
that we're seeing the
results of those affordability
02:28:48.340 --> 02:28:50.500
calculations, putting those into context
02:28:50.500 --> 02:28:52.420
for the Commission's decision making.
02:28:52.420 --> 02:28:55.818
And this is kind of the
list of specific elements
02:28:55.818 --> 02:28:58.240
that the staff proposal recommended.
02:28:58.240 --> 02:29:01.880
But I think as this
affordability analysis
02:29:01.880 --> 02:29:04.790
becomes to play more
of a role in the admissions
02:29:04.790 --> 02:29:07.730
decision making, there's
some room for flexibility here,
02:29:07.730 --> 02:29:10.673
kind of expanding on what the
staff goes last recommended,
02:29:11.910 --> 02:29:12.833
and next slide.
02:29:17.300 --> 02:29:21.710
And so the last piece of the
water industry recommendations
02:29:21.710 --> 02:29:26.430
from the implementation stock
proposal is this rate and bill
02:29:26.430 --> 02:29:30.260
impact tracking tool,
in the staff proposal,
02:29:30.260 --> 02:29:33.540
we recommended adoption
of a draft template hasn't been
02:29:33.540 --> 02:29:36.010
developed by the
public advocate's office.
02:29:36.010 --> 02:29:39.050
Since then, we've been holding
a number of smaller working
02:29:39.050 --> 02:29:41.150
sessions and the
affordability proceeding.
02:29:42.240 --> 02:29:44.460
If you're on the service list,
you will receive that notice,
02:29:44.460 --> 02:29:48.160
but basically work-shopping
distract template coming up with
02:29:48.160 --> 02:29:52.283
some counter proposals and
kind of working on ways to,
02:29:53.220 --> 02:29:57.430
again, put the rate impacts
and affordability increases
02:29:58.770 --> 02:30:00.740
into kind of the context
for the Commission's
02:30:00.740 --> 02:30:03.683
decision-making as
well as for Water Division.
02:30:03.683 --> 02:30:05.785
So when you see on the screen,
02:30:05.785 --> 02:30:08.353
just kind of what was
recommended in the stock proposal.
02:30:09.240 --> 02:30:11.000
I think it's fair to say that kind of,
02:30:11.000 --> 02:30:13.390
as a result of these working sessions,
02:30:13.390 --> 02:30:15.280
what's ultimately
adoptable likely differ.
02:30:15.280 --> 02:30:20.073
But all that to say is
that there is in the works
02:30:21.450 --> 02:30:24.240
of this implementation of
this tool that will allow us
02:30:24.240 --> 02:30:26.590
to kind of track what
the ongoing components
02:30:26.590 --> 02:30:27.820
of the bill are.
02:30:27.820 --> 02:30:31.570
And ideally project out kind
of what the expected increases
02:30:32.480 --> 02:30:35.140
both to rates and bills
as well as to affordability
02:30:35.140 --> 02:30:36.290
might be going forward.
02:30:40.030 --> 02:30:42.830
And with that that's, I think
all that we've got to present
02:30:42.830 --> 02:30:46.607
today, so again, we really
appreciate the time given to us
02:30:48.880 --> 02:30:50.380
to speak about these metrics,
02:30:50.380 --> 02:30:53.433
and we're happy to answer
any kind of up questions
02:30:53.433 --> 02:30:54.560
either over email
02:30:54.560 --> 02:30:57.380
or if there's additional
time this meeting.
02:30:57.380 --> 02:30:59.740
Okay, great, well,
thank you both so much
02:30:59.740 --> 02:31:01.240
for the presentation it's proceeding
02:31:01.240 --> 02:31:04.610
is really interesting
and clearly overlaps
02:31:04.610 --> 02:31:06.572
with a lot of the charter of the Board.
02:31:06.572 --> 02:31:10.380
So I appreciate you doing to
keep us posted and I noted,
02:31:10.380 --> 02:31:12.450
and I appreciate you skipping
over it for the sake of time,
02:31:12.450 --> 02:31:17.440
but I noted in the appendix
that the tentative schedule
02:31:17.440 --> 02:31:21.740
for comments on proposals
will be in September of 2022.
02:31:21.740 --> 02:31:25.547
And so if am I reading
that correctly, go ahead.
02:31:30.570 --> 02:31:33.670
The comment scheduled
currently is that comments
02:31:33.670 --> 02:31:36.910
to the implementation staff
proposal that we released
02:31:36.910 --> 02:31:39.540
in November, those
will be due January 10th
02:31:41.250 --> 02:31:43.203
with reply comments do thereafter.
02:31:45.270 --> 02:31:49.700
Okay, that might be worth
noting is the Board considers
02:31:49.700 --> 02:31:52.123
that they want to voice
any opinions on this.
02:31:53.879 --> 02:31:56.530
So the only I had one quick question,
02:31:56.530 --> 02:31:58.830
they want to open it up to colleagues.
02:31:58.830 --> 02:32:01.240
I was looking at the socioeconomic data
02:32:01.240 --> 02:32:02.460
that was part of this.
02:32:02.460 --> 02:32:05.410
And I had a question with
respect to change in climate.
02:32:05.410 --> 02:32:10.410
I noted that we had a presentation
from the national weather
02:32:10.700 --> 02:32:15.700
service maybe a month or
two ago about the heat index
02:32:15.776 --> 02:32:18.810
and how they're using
socio-economic data from that
02:32:18.810 --> 02:32:22.583
and how different government
agencies like CalOES.
02:32:22.583 --> 02:32:25.060
And a lot of public health
departments are starting to use
02:32:25.060 --> 02:32:27.657
it for how they prepare
for weather events.
02:32:27.657 --> 02:32:31.130
And I'm wondering if in the
process of this proceeding,
02:32:31.130 --> 02:32:34.978
there's been any
communication with them to see
02:32:34.978 --> 02:32:38.610
if the tool they've
developed could help inform
02:32:38.610 --> 02:32:40.010
the development of this one?
02:32:43.860 --> 02:32:47.060
Yeah, no, we haven't had
any communication with them
02:32:47.060 --> 02:32:51.990
as far as how, how to use
that data in the development
02:32:51.990 --> 02:32:54.580
of our tool or our metrics.
02:32:54.580 --> 02:32:59.050
I would say that kind of
the, where we kind of see
02:32:59.050 --> 02:33:02.180
an intersection between the
metrics that we're developing
02:33:02.180 --> 02:33:06.370
and these climate change
related issues is probably
02:33:06.370 --> 02:33:08.880
going to come into
play on the energy side,
02:33:08.880 --> 02:33:12.150
at least with regards
to what we are defining
02:33:12.150 --> 02:33:16.450
as the essential level
of electricity service.
02:33:16.450 --> 02:33:20.040
So currently the definition
we're using for essential levels
02:33:20.040 --> 02:33:23.690
of service are based on
the baseline allowance
02:33:23.690 --> 02:33:28.173
that is climate zone dependent,
as part of the PG&E GRC,
02:33:30.960 --> 02:33:34.260
there is an essential
use study looking to see
02:33:35.543 --> 02:33:39.510
how customers, what appliances they use,
02:33:39.510 --> 02:33:42.620
what appliances are present
in customer's households,
02:33:42.620 --> 02:33:44.590
what their electricity usage looks like.
02:33:44.590 --> 02:33:47.596
And one of the things that
we're interested in understanding
02:33:47.596 --> 02:33:50.300
as part of that study is
whether the outcomes
02:33:50.300 --> 02:33:54.380
from that in terms of what
they define as an essential level
02:33:54.380 --> 02:33:56.460
of electricity usage,
02:33:56.460 --> 02:33:59.010
and particularly the weather
dependent components
02:33:59.010 --> 02:34:02.240
of their electricity usage
are significantly different
02:34:02.240 --> 02:34:04.650
from the baseline
allowances that we're using
02:34:04.650 --> 02:34:07.260
for our definition of essential service.
02:34:07.260 --> 02:34:09.160
That's something that
we might revisit in terms
02:34:09.160 --> 02:34:10.920
of what we are using for our definition
02:34:10.920 --> 02:34:13.626
of essential service,
based on what comes out
02:34:13.626 --> 02:34:14.770
of that essentially you study.
02:34:14.770 --> 02:34:18.190
And so there's potentially
an opportunity to think about
02:34:18.190 --> 02:34:23.190
how climate change driven
impacts to electricity usage
02:34:25.376 --> 02:34:29.790
could be reflected in our
central levels of usage in this,
02:34:29.790 --> 02:34:31.040
in these metrics as well.
02:34:32.910 --> 02:34:33.900
Okay, that sounds good.
02:34:33.900 --> 02:34:38.260
I do know they're coming
out with a refined tool
02:34:38.260 --> 02:34:41.570
'cause they know it was a
pilot and sort of prototype
02:34:41.570 --> 02:34:43.000
in the spring of 20 is printing too.
02:34:43.000 --> 02:34:45.850
So it might be worthwhile
taking a look at it.
02:34:45.850 --> 02:34:48.810
I know they're also starting
to explore cause right now it
02:34:48.810 --> 02:34:50.820
focuses on heat and I know
they're starting to explore
02:34:50.820 --> 02:34:54.050
a cold as well, so just
something to keep in mind,
02:34:54.050 --> 02:34:57.530
I'm happy to open it up to
other questions or comments
02:34:57.530 --> 02:34:58.943
from members of the Board.
02:35:01.700 --> 02:35:03.130
Hello Mr. Chair.
02:35:03.130 --> 02:35:03.963
Yes.
02:35:05.896 --> 02:35:08.393
Yeah I have a
couple of questions.
02:35:09.229 --> 02:35:10.180
What's the genesis
02:35:10.180 --> 02:35:12.803
of this supportability
proceeding legislation?
02:35:20.290 --> 02:35:23.360
So I can, I can
speak to this a little bit.
02:35:23.360 --> 02:35:25.860
I will say, not too much
and that I think everyone
02:35:25.860 --> 02:35:28.761
on our kind of
affordability, small group,
02:35:28.761 --> 02:35:31.190
once we kind of put
together this proposal,
02:35:31.190 --> 02:35:34.320
we all joined quite a bit after
this rulemaking had started,
02:35:34.320 --> 02:35:37.210
but ultimately I don't think
this came from legislation.
02:35:37.210 --> 02:35:39.130
This came from in mid 2018,
02:35:39.130 --> 02:35:42.090
the Commission opened
this rulemaking as part
02:35:42.090 --> 02:35:46.500
of kind of a wider look
at affordability concerns
02:35:46.500 --> 02:35:49.580
more generally, the energy
disconnections proceeding
02:35:49.580 --> 02:35:50.950
was opened kind of in partnership.
02:35:50.950 --> 02:35:53.100
So those two have
been running concurrently
02:35:54.351 --> 02:35:55.760
as to the best of my knowledge.
02:35:55.760 --> 02:35:59.920
This is kind of a
Commission driven focus.
02:35:59.920 --> 02:36:04.920
Good job, second, define
stakeholders as mentioned,
02:36:06.519 --> 02:36:11.519
and in terms of utilization
of the affordable ratio
02:36:12.040 --> 02:36:14.753
calculator, we're talking
about low income households,
02:36:16.390 --> 02:36:18.700
they are defined as stakeholders.
02:36:18.700 --> 02:36:21.797
Yeah, so I use the
word stakeholder,
02:36:21.797 --> 02:36:26.797
I'm referring to anyone who
would be a party to a particular
02:36:26.885 --> 02:36:29.490
rate-setting proceeding.
02:36:29.490 --> 02:36:32.770
So that would include
groups that represent
02:36:32.770 --> 02:36:34.910
low income households as well.
02:36:34.910 --> 02:36:37.520
Okay, yeah, because
my concern was is this
02:36:37.520 --> 02:36:40.460
is going at the household level,
02:36:40.460 --> 02:36:44.830
the fact is that to be able
to kind of utilize this level
02:36:44.830 --> 02:36:47.606
of mathematics would be very difficult.
02:36:47.606 --> 02:36:50.162
So when you say
stakeholders and we're looking
02:36:50.162 --> 02:36:52.100
at a voice for the effected
community, frankly,
02:36:52.100 --> 02:36:54.963
that would be participants, right.
02:36:54.963 --> 02:36:58.310
And, or stakeholders that would reflect
02:36:58.310 --> 02:37:01.764
or advocate for that population.
02:37:01.764 --> 02:37:06.764
Okay, number four, it
seems like the action items
02:37:09.017 --> 02:37:14.017
that would be derived
from the affordability tool
02:37:14.350 --> 02:37:19.350
is to rate increases
only, in other words,
02:37:22.440 --> 02:37:25.070
it's certainly a valuable tool for that.
02:37:25.070 --> 02:37:30.070
I totally totally get that, in
terms of where we set rates,
02:37:30.320 --> 02:37:33.980
but if existing rates
are affordable, I mean,
02:37:33.980 --> 02:37:36.520
is there gonna be any
consideration and connection
02:37:36.520 --> 02:37:41.520
with tools or actions by
the CPC to deal with that
02:37:42.270 --> 02:37:44.533
particular segment of the population?
02:37:46.100 --> 02:37:49.580
Yeah, so certainly the
recommendations that provided
02:37:49.580 --> 02:37:54.430
are kind of focused on kind
of perspective rate changes
02:37:54.430 --> 02:37:56.508
that would happen in the future.
02:37:56.508 --> 02:38:00.240
What we are doing is with
the annual affordability reports,
02:38:00.240 --> 02:38:02.650
that's kind of where we take
more of a retrospective look
02:38:02.650 --> 02:38:05.491
and see what the state
of affordability looks like
02:38:05.491 --> 02:38:08.790
with rates that are currently in effect.
02:38:08.790 --> 02:38:10.330
That's kind of the platform
that we were planning
02:38:10.330 --> 02:38:14.350
on using to highlight
where affordability concerns
02:38:14.350 --> 02:38:17.410
are most significant in
different parts of the state
02:38:17.410 --> 02:38:21.570
and try to identify whether
there's anything we can glean
02:38:21.570 --> 02:38:23.510
from the metrics, as far
as what's driving those
02:38:23.510 --> 02:38:25.290
affordability concerns as well.
02:38:25.290 --> 02:38:27.710
So I would kind of
characterize it as the affordability
02:38:27.710 --> 02:38:30.920
report, which we'll be
putting out each year as being
02:38:30.920 --> 02:38:34.312
the place we'll re kind of take
more of a retrospective look
02:38:34.312 --> 02:38:36.590
and then the affordability ratio,
02:38:36.590 --> 02:38:38.650
calculator being a tool that can be used
02:38:38.650 --> 02:38:39.913
on more of a prospective.
02:38:40.780 --> 02:38:44.655
Sure, great, let me make
this suggestion in terms of,
02:38:44.655 --> 02:38:48.473
again, trying to mitigate
or address the concerns
02:38:48.473 --> 02:38:50.660
and the energy burden within low-income
02:38:51.586 --> 02:38:53.270
households utilizing this tool.
02:38:53.270 --> 02:38:56.120
I think that with utility applications,
02:38:56.120 --> 02:38:59.010
especially as you know
we have a new ESA decision
02:39:01.765 --> 02:39:04.960
and again, the outreach on
CARE and so on and so forth
02:39:04.960 --> 02:39:06.900
has always been an
issue, a lot of hard to reach
02:39:06.900 --> 02:39:10.380
populations, so it seems
to me that if we can develop
02:39:10.380 --> 02:39:12.210
a better develop our target markets
02:39:12.210 --> 02:39:13.810
within low-income populations,
02:39:13.810 --> 02:39:17.600
within the affordability
issue of existing rates,
02:39:17.600 --> 02:39:21.750
we should be able to
utilize this tool as navigation,
02:39:21.750 --> 02:39:23.620
into those communities.
02:39:23.620 --> 02:39:27.513
And they should really
experience some priority,
02:39:29.630 --> 02:39:33.170
with the assistance
programs that we have funded.
02:39:33.170 --> 02:39:35.180
And again, we can look at methodology
02:39:35.180 --> 02:39:37.290
on how they're gonna do
that because it was easy,
02:39:37.290 --> 02:39:38.540
we'd already be doing it.
02:39:39.693 --> 02:39:42.810
So, and in the end, I think
that this tool will be very
02:39:42.810 --> 02:39:45.120
valuable from two perspectives,
02:39:45.120 --> 02:39:49.280
one to address GRCs because
you had said with regard
02:39:49.280 --> 02:39:50.831
to rate increase,
02:39:50.831 --> 02:39:54.030
but also in navigation tool
in terms of existing programs
02:39:54.030 --> 02:39:56.903
with low-income
populations on current rates.
02:39:57.840 --> 02:40:01.250
So, and again, I know
that there's a process
02:40:01.250 --> 02:40:04.272
to this that allows input, but,
02:40:04.272 --> 02:40:07.490
that's something that I
would see to be added
02:40:07.490 --> 02:40:08.323
to the equation.
02:40:09.980 --> 02:40:13.040
Yeah, certainly that's
something that we try to include.
02:40:13.040 --> 02:40:15.870
That's kind of what that second
use case that I highlighted
02:40:15.870 --> 02:40:19.250
is trying to get at is how
we can use these metrics
02:40:19.250 --> 02:40:22.924
to prioritize where
resources are being devoted
02:40:22.924 --> 02:40:25.410
or those sorts of assistance programs.
02:40:25.410 --> 02:40:27.600
And I think that a lot of
that's just going to come down
02:40:27.600 --> 02:40:31.920
to making sure that the
right folks within the CPAUC
02:40:31.920 --> 02:40:35.130
and outside the CPUC
are aware of these metrics
02:40:35.130 --> 02:40:36.270
are familiar with them.
02:40:36.270 --> 02:40:39.160
They understand how
to interpret those results
02:40:39.160 --> 02:40:41.490
and how to apply them to their programs.
02:40:41.490 --> 02:40:43.020
So it's really gonna evolve,
02:40:43.020 --> 02:40:44.870
involve just a lot of education,
02:40:44.870 --> 02:40:47.530
just kind of teaching folks
that these metrics exist
02:40:47.530 --> 02:40:48.960
and how to use them.
02:40:48.960 --> 02:40:51.770
Well, the other thing I would
suggest too, is immigration.
02:40:51.770 --> 02:40:54.890
I mean, to the extent
that you have applications,
02:40:54.890 --> 02:40:58.322
you have program
performance and penetration
02:40:58.322 --> 02:41:02.210
that are accountability
issues with this Board.
02:41:02.210 --> 02:41:05.630
So giving them, given, the
need for the Board to really
02:41:05.630 --> 02:41:09.350
oversee those assistance
programs with energy.
02:41:09.350 --> 02:41:12.210
I think that that information
would be very helpful
02:41:12.210 --> 02:41:17.210
if we could highlight specific
and acute areas of need
02:41:17.260 --> 02:41:19.500
and what the level of
program penetration is
02:41:19.500 --> 02:41:20.553
within those areas.
02:41:21.540 --> 02:41:23.280
Definitely, thank you.
02:41:23.280 --> 02:41:24.113
Thank you.
02:41:25.870 --> 02:41:27.870
Thank you Board
member Castaneda,
02:41:27.870 --> 02:41:30.670
I don't see any other hands
up and I know we're at times.
02:41:30.670 --> 02:41:33.540
So just want to thank
both of the presenters again
02:41:33.540 --> 02:41:36.760
and look forward to seeing
you back here for another update
02:41:36.760 --> 02:41:38.803
on the proceeding.
02:41:40.130 --> 02:41:45.102
Sorry, chairman, I
couldn't find the little hand,
02:41:45.102 --> 02:41:47.552
and I don't think I have
it up and I don't know
02:41:47.552 --> 02:41:51.240
if you could see it, so I just
maybe if I could get follow
02:41:51.240 --> 02:41:56.240
up now on this slide,
is page 69 on here,
02:41:57.716 --> 02:42:00.123
I don't know if you
guys see it, did I freeze?
02:42:01.221 --> 02:42:04.550
Either way I just I appreciate
that you put the information
02:42:04.550 --> 02:42:08.390
there Fresno County
with the metrics right there,
02:42:08.390 --> 02:42:10.560
I appreciate that because
it gives me a perspective
02:42:10.560 --> 02:42:15.560
of the presentation but
will this data also be helpful
02:42:15.816 --> 02:42:20.360
in the time of use preceding stuff
02:42:20.360 --> 02:42:24.393
and also for the ESA contract stuff?
02:42:27.260 --> 02:42:31.070
Yeah, so we definitely
would like to understand
02:42:31.070 --> 02:42:35.040
the affordability implications
of any rates that are being
02:42:35.040 --> 02:42:37.860
proposed, including the time of use one.
02:42:37.860 --> 02:42:41.896
So we are looking for
opportunities to apply these metrics
02:42:41.896 --> 02:42:45.560
and that's one potential proceeding.
02:42:45.560 --> 02:42:48.290
We could take these metrics
and use them to understand
02:42:48.290 --> 02:42:50.120
what the affordability implications are.
02:42:50.120 --> 02:42:52.440
We'll have to do a
little bit more thinking
02:42:52.440 --> 02:42:54.880
about how to apply
it to time of use rate,
02:42:54.880 --> 02:42:57.380
because it is a little bit more complex.
02:42:57.380 --> 02:43:01.960
We probably need to develop
some sort of typical usage
02:43:03.560 --> 02:43:06.940
profiles and then
apply those to the rates
02:43:06.940 --> 02:43:08.990
that we're looking at.
02:43:08.990 --> 02:43:12.100
And then of course also with
the ease of that's kind of what
02:43:12.100 --> 02:43:14.820
we were trying to highlight
with the second use case
02:43:14.820 --> 02:43:17.642
in terms of how the metrics
can be used to prioritize
02:43:17.642 --> 02:43:21.060
particular communities
where affordability concerns
02:43:21.060 --> 02:43:24.490
are greatest and make sure
that those folks are eligible
02:43:24.490 --> 02:43:25.713
for enhanced benefits.
02:43:30.850 --> 02:43:32.480
Great, thank you,
Board member Medina,
02:43:32.480 --> 02:43:34.660
and Punka thank you again.
02:43:34.660 --> 02:43:39.660
Well as Jeffrey we'll
move on now to item seven,
02:43:40.020 --> 02:43:45.020
which is the percentage of
income payment plan presentation
02:43:45.050 --> 02:43:47.420
I believe by Edison.
02:43:47.420 --> 02:43:50.147
Gillian would you like
to do the introduction?
02:43:51.650 --> 02:43:52.527
Yes, thank you.
02:43:53.410 --> 02:43:55.950
So, as the chair mentioned,
02:43:55.950 --> 02:43:58.830
we have the percentage of
income payment plan pilot
02:43:58.830 --> 02:44:01.460
presentation, there
will be representatives
02:44:01.460 --> 02:44:05.033
of all four IOUs, and
we'll begin with Edison.
02:44:06.020 --> 02:44:09.810
I just want to ask if Board
member Lim has any comments
02:44:09.810 --> 02:44:13.030
about this program or presentation,
02:44:13.030 --> 02:44:16.520
otherwise we can begin with Anthony.
02:44:16.520 --> 02:44:19.590
Yeah, thank you,
Gillian, I appreciate that.
02:44:19.590 --> 02:44:22.560
I just wanted to say a quick
word about the introduction
02:44:22.560 --> 02:44:23.863
of this topic.
02:44:23.863 --> 02:44:28.863
The IOU's one of the opportunity
to come today to the LIOB
02:44:29.520 --> 02:44:32.400
and share what we all
have in mind in terms
02:44:32.400 --> 02:44:35.050
of implementation for next year.
02:44:35.050 --> 02:44:40.050
The PIPP program has
been also collaborated with
02:44:40.820 --> 02:44:42.413
in terms of the working group,
02:44:43.260 --> 02:44:46.710
but this group wanted to
expand getting feedback
02:44:46.710 --> 02:44:49.470
from this broader
low-income oversight Board.
02:44:49.470 --> 02:44:53.851
So really appreciate
the time on the agenda.
02:44:53.851 --> 02:44:58.710
And the intent again, is to
get feedback prior to filing
02:44:58.710 --> 02:45:01.840
the implementation plans on February 4th
02:45:01.840 --> 02:45:04.001
through an advice letter.
02:45:04.001 --> 02:45:05.330
So I'm gonna turn it over to Anthony
02:45:05.330 --> 02:45:07.187
to begin the discussion, thank you.
02:45:09.970 --> 02:45:13.470
Hi everybody, Anthony Abeyta
Southern California Edison.
02:45:13.470 --> 02:45:15.890
Can I get just a thumbs up to
let you know you can all hear
02:45:15.890 --> 02:45:18.450
me, everybody good, all right.
02:45:18.450 --> 02:45:20.940
So like Jessica said,
02:45:20.940 --> 02:45:23.230
I'm going to talk to you about
the percentage of income
02:45:23.230 --> 02:45:25.260
payment plan, it's a new pilot,
02:45:25.260 --> 02:45:26.580
very excited to talk to you about it.
02:45:26.580 --> 02:45:29.100
So we have a lot of
discussion, a lot of presenters,
02:45:29.100 --> 02:45:30.840
so we're just going
to jump right on into it.
02:45:30.840 --> 02:45:32.513
Next slide please, next slide.
02:45:51.640 --> 02:45:56.550
So I think we need to,
could we advance the slides?
02:45:56.550 --> 02:45:58.850
I'm not sure who's on
slide control right now.
02:46:00.340 --> 02:46:03.690
Awesome, this is just
a great brief overview.
02:46:03.690 --> 02:46:06.490
I'm going to kind of give the
kind of high level overview,
02:46:06.490 --> 02:46:08.640
then we're all gonna kind of
go into each of the idle user,
02:46:08.640 --> 02:46:10.614
have a section where we'll talk about
02:46:10.614 --> 02:46:13.973
our individual implementation
plans, next slide please.
02:46:28.104 --> 02:46:30.604
All right, we'll move forward.
02:46:32.310 --> 02:46:34.010
One more please.
02:46:34.010 --> 02:46:39.010
All right, so here's the
summary rule making 18-07-05
02:46:39.030 --> 02:46:41.210
mandates that the IOUs
implement a percentage
02:46:41.210 --> 02:46:42.710
of income payment plan.
02:46:42.710 --> 02:46:43.820
We call it PIPP.
02:46:43.820 --> 02:46:47.610
And really what PIPP does is
this going to apply a bill CAPP
02:46:47.610 --> 02:46:52.610
set at 4% of the households
income for both electric and gas
02:46:53.300 --> 02:46:54.810
would be a four year pilot.
02:46:54.810 --> 02:46:58.820
And it is focused on CARE
customers who either kind of fall
02:46:58.820 --> 02:46:59.980
into one or two categories.
02:46:59.980 --> 02:47:03.150
We're gonna have those
that reside within in Zip Codes
02:47:03.150 --> 02:47:06.700
with the highest rates of
disconnect or customers
02:47:06.700 --> 02:47:09.290
who CARE customers who
have been disconnected two
02:47:09.290 --> 02:47:13.224
or more times in that kind
of year prior to disconnection
02:47:13.224 --> 02:47:15.563
moratorium, next slide.
02:47:30.820 --> 02:47:34.883
Hi IT, could you move
to the deck side, please?
02:47:34.883 --> 02:47:35.910
Thank you.
02:47:35.910 --> 02:47:39.191
Thank you, so when we're
talking about those CARE
02:47:39.191 --> 02:47:42.780
customers who will
receive the benefits of PIPP,
02:47:42.780 --> 02:47:45.780
we kind of classified
them into two groups.
02:47:45.780 --> 02:47:49.700
Those that have zero to
100% of the federal poverty
02:47:49.700 --> 02:47:52.000
guideline, and then
those that are 101 to 200,
02:47:53.100 --> 02:47:57.559
and in doing so, they kind of
establish what each of these
02:47:57.559 --> 02:47:59.320
types of buckets might look like.
02:47:59.320 --> 02:48:02.817
So for those in between zero to 100,
02:48:02.817 --> 02:48:07.817
they use 50% of the FPL
as the reference income,
02:48:09.080 --> 02:48:12.576
which means for an
average house of three,
02:48:12.576 --> 02:48:15.800
their monthly income would be $905,
02:48:15.800 --> 02:48:18.390
which means that their bill
kept for both gas and electric.
02:48:18.390 --> 02:48:23.390
Their bill CAPP or utility would
not exceed $37 per month.
02:48:23.790 --> 02:48:27.895
Likewise, for those that R&D 101 to 200,
02:48:27.895 --> 02:48:30.940
they referenced right
in the middle at 150,
02:48:30.940 --> 02:48:35.130
which kind of equates to,
for a family of three 2,745.
02:48:35.130 --> 02:48:38.657
And the bill CAPP again for
both gas and electric would be
02:48:38.657 --> 02:48:43.083
no greater than 109 per month.
02:48:44.123 --> 02:48:48.070
The bill CAPPs will be
reflected annually as we get new
02:48:48.070 --> 02:48:52.780
guidelines and every June,
just like we do with CARE,
02:48:52.780 --> 02:48:54.580
if we get to the next slide, please.
02:48:56.880 --> 02:49:01.880
So in having those two
different kinds of groups,
02:49:03.825 --> 02:49:08.135
you saw that those that were
in the zero to 100% group,
02:49:08.135 --> 02:49:11.050
kind of a very small CAPP,
02:49:11.050 --> 02:49:13.780
even compared to those
that were in the 101 to 200.
02:49:13.780 --> 02:49:17.580
So to kind of ensure program integrity,
02:49:17.580 --> 02:49:20.860
those that fall within the
zero to 100%, a FTG group,
02:49:20.860 --> 02:49:24.530
they must provide their
income within 90 days
02:49:24.530 --> 02:49:26.053
of signing up for PIPP.
02:49:27.120 --> 02:49:31.470
If they do great, they
get to stay with that zero
02:49:31.470 --> 02:49:33.816
to 100% CAPP of about 30-ish dollars.
02:49:33.816 --> 02:49:35.302
But if they don't,
02:49:35.302 --> 02:49:40.302
they will be defaulted over
to the 101 to the 200% group.
02:49:40.620 --> 02:49:45.021
That 101 to 200% group will
not be requested to provide
02:49:45.021 --> 02:49:49.210
their income, however, they
are subject to the CARE regular
02:49:49.210 --> 02:49:50.540
CARE verification process.
02:49:50.540 --> 02:49:53.450
So if they were selected for CARE,
02:49:53.450 --> 02:49:55.870
whether it be a model or via high usage,
02:49:55.870 --> 02:50:00.160
they would have to provide
their income documentation.
02:50:00.160 --> 02:50:04.100
And ultimately, if customers
are removed from the CARE
02:50:04.100 --> 02:50:05.940
program, they're also gonna be removed
02:50:05.940 --> 02:50:07.040
from the PIPP program.
02:50:07.874 --> 02:50:09.680
So it's just to ensure that PIPP keep up
02:50:09.680 --> 02:50:13.623
with the income verification
requests, next slide.
02:50:20.600 --> 02:50:23.640
So the goals of the program are really,
02:50:23.640 --> 02:50:25.110
it's centered around a couple of things.
02:50:25.110 --> 02:50:28.770
They really want to bring
down the number of households
02:50:28.770 --> 02:50:31.520
at risk of disconnect within
the low-income community.
02:50:31.520 --> 02:50:34.810
They want to encourage
participation in the ESA program
02:50:34.810 --> 02:50:37.490
or other energy management programs
02:50:37.490 --> 02:50:41.150
to increase access to essential
levels of energy service,
02:50:41.150 --> 02:50:45.570
and ultimately control
program costs as we administer.
02:50:45.570 --> 02:50:50.570
Next slide, and we can go one more.
02:50:53.550 --> 02:50:57.616
So the evaluation, so the
PIPP pilot will be evaluated.
02:50:57.616 --> 02:51:01.610
And as part of that evaluation core,
02:51:01.610 --> 02:51:04.530
part of the evaluation is,
did PIPP meet those goals?
02:51:04.530 --> 02:51:06.960
Did it do all the things
that I just spoke to you
02:51:06.960 --> 02:51:08.560
in the previous slide?
02:51:08.560 --> 02:51:12.820
So I'm a third party evaluator
independent will assess
02:51:12.820 --> 02:51:16.340
the pilot based on the
first 18 months of data.
02:51:16.340 --> 02:51:19.440
We'll recommend pilot
modifications as needed,
02:51:19.440 --> 02:51:22.700
and then recommend whether
the IOU should file a joint
02:51:22.700 --> 02:51:25.300
application for a long-term program.
02:51:25.300 --> 02:51:26.540
In addition to that,
02:51:26.540 --> 02:51:31.210
IOU's will be reporting every
six months on it to make sure
02:51:31.210 --> 02:51:34.370
that everybody kinda gets
a snapshot of where we are
02:51:34.370 --> 02:51:37.840
and how we're progressing
along in the pilot.
02:51:37.840 --> 02:51:42.313
Next slide, one more please.
02:51:43.480 --> 02:51:47.000
So I'm kind of like Jessica
had spoke to earlier.
02:51:47.000 --> 02:51:48.920
PIPP is having a series of workshops.
02:51:48.920 --> 02:51:51.400
We had our first workshop last Monday,
02:51:51.400 --> 02:51:54.170
our next one is coming
up this coming Monday,
02:51:54.170 --> 02:51:58.047
and it really is a chance for
us to provide a preliminary
02:51:58.047 --> 02:52:01.270
understanding of what our,
02:52:01.270 --> 02:52:04.560
each of IOUs will be implementing
in terms of the PIP pilot
02:52:05.930 --> 02:52:07.160
it's it was open forum.
02:52:07.160 --> 02:52:10.630
I think we had 130
plus participants roughly
02:52:10.630 --> 02:52:13.550
in our first forum.
02:52:13.550 --> 02:52:14.830
So we'll actually,
02:52:14.830 --> 02:52:16.780
you'll get a preview of that
as we get a little bit further,
02:52:16.780 --> 02:52:19.564
we're gonna all the IOUs
are gonna kind of give you
02:52:19.564 --> 02:52:23.650
a version of what we have
presented in our first workshop.
02:52:23.650 --> 02:52:26.787
And then it also has a
chance to solicit feedback
02:52:26.787 --> 02:52:31.020
and response Q and A
et cetera, or the workshop.
02:52:31.020 --> 02:52:33.180
Next slide, next slide, please.
02:52:50.450 --> 02:52:55.450
Next slide, so that
concludes the overview.
02:52:55.980 --> 02:53:00.045
I'm gonna go ahead and jump
right into Edison's PIPP pilot
02:53:00.045 --> 02:53:03.403
workshop presentation, if
you can advance, thank you.
02:53:06.260 --> 02:53:09.042
So as part of the workshop,
02:53:09.042 --> 02:53:13.390
we noted that a lot of what
PIPP was designed was already
02:53:13.390 --> 02:53:14.960
outlined in the decision.
02:53:14.960 --> 02:53:18.730
There are a few areas that
we wanted to kind of highlight
02:53:18.730 --> 02:53:20.360
gray areas that we wanted to talk about
02:53:20.360 --> 02:53:22.980
and refine in particular,
02:53:22.980 --> 02:53:25.633
these are some of the
four big ones that Edison
02:53:25.633 --> 02:53:27.250
wanted to speak to was the Zip Codes,
02:53:27.250 --> 02:53:30.470
what Zip Code should we
really target to find those
02:53:30.470 --> 02:53:34.930
customers that are at
risk of disconnect attrition?
02:53:34.930 --> 02:53:39.813
So the pilot is relatively
small in terms of total volume.
02:53:40.700 --> 02:53:44.194
Edison only has 4,000
slots for our entire territory,
02:53:44.194 --> 02:53:48.390
but the question is, well, what
would happen if people were
02:53:48.390 --> 02:53:52.510
to be removed themselves
from CARE and they would also
02:53:52.510 --> 02:53:53.410
be removed from PIPP?
02:53:53.410 --> 02:53:54.840
Do we backfill now?
02:53:54.840 --> 02:53:56.400
What does that look like?
02:53:56.400 --> 02:53:59.500
Do we just let them
fall off the program?
02:53:59.500 --> 02:54:01.870
But attrition is another factor.
02:54:01.870 --> 02:54:03.980
CCAs are a big part of PIPP.
02:54:03.980 --> 02:54:06.970
We are to partner with the CCAs
and make sure that they have
02:54:06.970 --> 02:54:10.860
a proportional percentage
of their service territory
02:54:10.860 --> 02:54:15.454
as part of our overall
kind of pilot participants
02:54:15.454 --> 02:54:18.330
allocating a piece of that to them
02:54:18.330 --> 02:54:20.290
as their territory demands.
02:54:20.290 --> 02:54:21.640
And then also the outreach.
02:54:21.640 --> 02:54:22.960
What is outreach gonna look like?
02:54:22.960 --> 02:54:24.860
How are we going to engage the customer
02:54:24.860 --> 02:54:26.750
and how will we create that positive
02:54:26.750 --> 02:54:28.373
customer experience around PIPP?
02:54:29.728 --> 02:54:30.923
We can go to the next slide, please.
02:54:34.890 --> 02:54:38.370
So I'm a little bit of
an eye chart here,
02:54:38.370 --> 02:54:42.450
but in looking at the
PIPP eligible population,
02:54:42.450 --> 02:54:45.260
the decision said that we
were to look at the top areas
02:54:45.260 --> 02:54:47.500
with the highest rate of disconnect.
02:54:47.500 --> 02:54:48.790
And if you look on the right hand side,
02:54:48.790 --> 02:54:53.350
you'll see that our top 10
highest rate of disconnect
02:54:53.350 --> 02:54:58.350
roughly equates to about
50,000 customers across various
02:54:58.620 --> 02:55:00.920
cities within our territory.
02:55:00.920 --> 02:55:02.790
But we also decided
let's see what it looks like.
02:55:02.790 --> 02:55:05.290
Let's expand that look
and see, by volume,
02:55:05.290 --> 02:55:08.050
what areas have the
highest volume of disconnect.
02:55:08.050 --> 02:55:10.760
So we looked at those on
the left and then we found
02:55:10.760 --> 02:55:15.760
that the good news was, is
that the lists were didn't have
02:55:16.400 --> 02:55:17.360
a lot of overlap.
02:55:17.360 --> 02:55:22.290
So really part of, one of
Edison's core ideas behind
02:55:22.290 --> 02:55:27.220
the pilot is that we wanted to
make sure that PIPP reflects
02:55:27.220 --> 02:55:30.130
our entire territory,
not just looking at one
02:55:30.130 --> 02:55:32.210
or two small hubs of areas,
02:55:32.210 --> 02:55:34.944
but we really wanted to
take those 4,000 people
02:55:34.944 --> 02:55:37.260
and spread them out
across the territory.
02:55:37.260 --> 02:55:41.140
So we felt that I would
give the best benefit
02:55:41.140 --> 02:55:43.570
to the evaluation, the data.
02:55:43.570 --> 02:55:47.288
And so we're going to
propose that we look at both
02:55:47.288 --> 02:55:49.100
the highest rate of disconnects,
02:55:49.100 --> 02:55:51.200
which would center a little
bit more about these high,
02:55:51.200 --> 02:55:52.293
higher density areas,
02:55:53.290 --> 02:55:54.570
but also the highest
rate of disconnects,
02:55:54.570 --> 02:55:56.520
which we'll get into a
little more rural areas,
02:55:56.520 --> 02:56:00.606
but kind of spread out
that tip customer pilots
02:56:00.606 --> 02:56:03.200
across the territory.
02:56:03.200 --> 02:56:06.660
I also mentioned earlier
that customers that had been
02:56:06.660 --> 02:56:10.530
disconnected two times
or more in that year prior
02:56:10.530 --> 02:56:13.030
to the moratorium,
for us, that's only about
02:56:13.030 --> 02:56:15.150
8,000 customers, so although it's small,
02:56:15.150 --> 02:56:18.170
we want to really use that
population of customers to,
02:56:18.170 --> 02:56:22.270
again, try to get a good
cross-section even outside
02:56:22.270 --> 02:56:25.050
of these target 20 Zip Codes.
02:56:25.050 --> 02:56:29.345
So this is our approach in
targeting top 10 highest rate,
02:56:29.345 --> 02:56:32.640
top 10 highest volume.
02:56:32.640 --> 02:56:36.750
And then again, those that
were disconnected twice
02:56:36.750 --> 02:56:38.713
in the year proceeding, next slide.
02:56:42.480 --> 02:56:44.950
So again, I mentioned before,
02:56:44.950 --> 02:56:47.280
our pilot size is only about 4,000.
02:56:47.280 --> 02:56:51.730
So we looked at CARE and
said, hey, on an average year
02:56:51.730 --> 02:56:56.300
in 2019 pre-pandemic we
had about a 23% attrition
02:56:56.300 --> 02:57:01.300
within CARE, so every year,
theoretically you would lose 23%
02:57:02.180 --> 02:57:03.770
of our 4,000 customers.
02:57:03.770 --> 02:57:05.790
So in looking at a four-year pilot,
02:57:05.790 --> 02:57:09.540
if we wanted to maintain
that level of 4,000 consistently,
02:57:09.540 --> 02:57:13.689
we would have to have roughly,
almost seven, 8,000 customers
02:57:13.689 --> 02:57:18.689
lined up and ready to
either participate in PIPP
02:57:18.750 --> 02:57:20.830
or be placed on a wait list.
02:57:20.830 --> 02:57:23.970
And that was another one
of Edison's sort of proposals
02:57:23.970 --> 02:57:28.293
is to have a wait list and I
think that's on the next slide.
02:57:32.500 --> 02:57:35.280
So yeah, so our wait list is really,
02:57:35.280 --> 02:57:37.704
we wanted to establish
a wait list of interested
02:57:37.704 --> 02:57:40.554
and eligible customers that
were ready to participate in.
02:57:43.520 --> 02:57:45.300
And what we're gonna do is
we're gonna kind to break down
02:57:45.300 --> 02:57:46.740
each of these target areas.
02:57:46.740 --> 02:57:49.390
You'll see later that we
have various CCAs that
02:57:49.390 --> 02:57:53.620
are participating in each CCA
has kind of their own bucket
02:57:53.620 --> 02:57:56.103
or pool of customers
that we want to make sure
02:57:56.103 --> 02:57:59.624
are represented, now, if
a customer was removed
02:57:59.624 --> 02:58:04.180
from a territory, the
idea of the tidal waitlist
02:58:04.180 --> 02:58:08.540
is that rather than selecting a
customer from anywhere else,
02:58:08.540 --> 02:58:11.910
again, with the idea of being
want to provide the best data
02:58:11.910 --> 02:58:15.010
for the evaluation,
02:58:15.010 --> 02:58:17.770
we would kind of look at
the wait list to see what other
02:58:17.770 --> 02:58:20.120
customers are within that territory.
02:58:20.120 --> 02:58:23.230
And then take one that has
already expressed interest
02:58:23.230 --> 02:58:26.030
has already kind of
filled out an interest
02:58:26.030 --> 02:58:28.740
form or application, and
then they would next be next
02:58:28.740 --> 02:58:31.200
in line to join a PIPP.
02:58:31.200 --> 02:58:32.920
And then in addition to that,
02:58:32.920 --> 02:58:36.360
we wouldn't have to wait and
they're, they're already ready.
02:58:36.360 --> 02:58:38.570
We can get the, signed them
up and get them on right away.
02:58:38.570 --> 02:58:41.520
But it also maintains that
integrity of keeping those
02:58:41.520 --> 02:58:45.537
pockets of target areas
kind of full throughout
02:58:45.537 --> 02:58:48.840
the four year pilot.
02:58:48.840 --> 02:58:50.477
Next slide please.
02:58:53.690 --> 02:58:56.798
So why would we want to
use a wait-list, like I mentioned,
02:58:56.798 --> 02:58:59.916
customers will already
be available to participate.
02:58:59.916 --> 02:59:03.030
We'll have a clearly defined
open enrollment periods.
02:59:03.030 --> 02:59:06.493
Sort of the idea is that
initially we would kind of do all
02:59:06.493 --> 02:59:10.650
this outreach and kind of get
everybody aware and signed up.
02:59:10.650 --> 02:59:14.920
And once we had a
sufficient enrollment goal
02:59:14.920 --> 02:59:19.920
and a sufficient waitlist
goal for all these target areas
02:59:20.010 --> 02:59:22.660
effectively, we could shut
down the enrollment phase
02:59:22.660 --> 02:59:26.700
and that would help keep
costs down by not having to,
02:59:26.700 --> 02:59:28.910
turn it on and off on
the websites on and off.
02:59:28.910 --> 02:59:32.224
And kind of, it becomes
a little bit tricky in trying
02:59:32.224 --> 02:59:37.224
to have those outreach
kind of happening all the time,
02:59:38.100 --> 02:59:38.933
all the time, all the time.
02:59:38.933 --> 02:59:40.610
So by establishing a wait list,
02:59:40.610 --> 02:59:41.800
a customers will be ready to go,
02:59:41.800 --> 02:59:44.290
we'll keep the cost down
and we'll keep the integrity
02:59:44.290 --> 02:59:47.280
of the target areas.
02:59:47.280 --> 02:59:49.740
We also looked at
doing smaller campaigns,
02:59:49.740 --> 02:59:52.070
but again, starting and stopping it just
02:59:52.070 --> 02:59:53.740
if it's not really efficient
02:59:53.740 --> 02:59:56.870
in that regard or just not
having a wait list at all,
02:59:56.870 --> 02:59:59.590
but we kind of felt that it
would be important to help as
02:59:59.590 --> 03:00:03.060
many people as possible
and keep those slots full
03:00:03.060 --> 03:00:05.839
as often as we can, so
we decided that we would,
03:00:05.839 --> 03:00:08.320
the waitlist was the way to go.
03:00:08.320 --> 03:00:09.383
Next slide please.
03:00:16.150 --> 03:00:17.550
So like I mentioned,
03:00:17.550 --> 03:00:20.210
we have those target areas
and one of those target areas
03:00:20.210 --> 03:00:21.680
is the CCA.
03:00:21.680 --> 03:00:24.710
These are the current list
of CCAs that have agreed
03:00:24.710 --> 03:00:26.830
to participate in PIPP.
03:00:26.830 --> 03:00:29.470
And just to kind of say
like Clean Power Alliance
03:00:29.470 --> 03:00:30.710
is one of our larger CCAs.
03:00:30.710 --> 03:00:33.620
They have about 19%, almost 20%
03:00:33.620 --> 03:00:36.730
of the total Edison territory.
03:00:36.730 --> 03:00:39.390
So therefore they should
also receive 19-20%
03:00:39.390 --> 03:00:40.870
of our 4,000 targets.
03:00:40.870 --> 03:00:45.319
So for them, seven 800
customers would be enrolled.
03:00:45.319 --> 03:00:49.400
But like I said before,
if we have an additional
03:00:49.400 --> 03:00:50.850
up to the 1500,
03:00:50.850 --> 03:00:52.420
those people would
be placed on a wait list.
03:00:52.420 --> 03:00:55.580
And in the event that
the attrition holds at 23%
03:00:55.580 --> 03:00:57.457
attrition folds, as people drop off,
03:00:57.457 --> 03:01:00.121
you would just be able to
grab one from the wait list
03:01:00.121 --> 03:01:03.682
from that CCA territory
and slot them in,
03:01:03.682 --> 03:01:05.570
ready to go for PIPP.
03:01:06.960 --> 03:01:11.030
We would do similar things
because another aspect
03:01:11.030 --> 03:01:13.120
is CBO participation.
03:01:13.120 --> 03:01:15.934
So CBO's will have
similar goals if they based
03:01:15.934 --> 03:01:18.627
on their target area who
they outreach to kind of where
03:01:18.627 --> 03:01:22.240
they're located, the
Zip Codes, et cetera,
03:01:22.240 --> 03:01:26.281
that if a CBO had a
certain number of slots,
03:01:26.281 --> 03:01:29.820
as people dropped off
from those slots again,
03:01:29.820 --> 03:01:34.593
back they'll from their
particular waiting list, next slide.
03:01:35.730 --> 03:01:38.930
Hey Anthony, this is
Benito, just a quick time check.
03:01:38.930 --> 03:01:41.877
We're about 25 minutes
into a 30 minute item.
03:01:41.877 --> 03:01:45.200
And I know there's a few
other IOUs that wanted to speak,
03:01:45.200 --> 03:01:47.940
so we'll probably just need
to move through quickly.
03:01:47.940 --> 03:01:50.180
You happy to go over time
a little bit, but just wanted
03:01:50.180 --> 03:01:51.710
to do a time check.
03:01:51.710 --> 03:01:56.710
Absolutely, so next slide.
03:02:01.730 --> 03:02:03.650
I'll briefly talk about this.
03:02:03.650 --> 03:02:05.980
We're going to have multiple
ways for customers to enroll
03:02:05.980 --> 03:02:08.340
direct marketing, CDOs, websites.
03:02:08.340 --> 03:02:10.540
The call center can actually
enroll people over the phone
03:02:10.540 --> 03:02:13.930
and our CCA, which you
spoke to already, we can forward.
03:02:17.350 --> 03:02:20.490
And then one of the last
pieces is the gas electric split.
03:02:20.490 --> 03:02:23.065
So with Edison and the gas company,
03:02:23.065 --> 03:02:26.400
we're gonna look at the 4%.
03:02:26.400 --> 03:02:28.890
Total CAPP is based
on their total income,
03:02:28.890 --> 03:02:30.270
but that's for gas and electric.
03:02:30.270 --> 03:02:33.441
So we have to figure out
whether winter versus summer
03:02:33.441 --> 03:02:38.130
electric versus gas in
coastal climate zones
03:02:38.130 --> 03:02:40.040
versus inland climate
zones and all those things
03:02:40.040 --> 03:02:42.650
will be factored in and
how we split the gas,
03:02:42.650 --> 03:02:47.650
electric total CAPP, or get that 4%.
03:02:48.390 --> 03:02:50.450
I think that'll conclude
if you move forward,
03:02:50.450 --> 03:02:51.340
maybe one or two,
03:02:51.340 --> 03:02:53.540
we'll get to the next
presenter, thank you.
03:03:06.260 --> 03:03:09.130
If the host wouldn't mind
moving up one more side,
03:03:09.130 --> 03:03:12.130
I believe the next
presenter is SoCalGas.
03:03:12.130 --> 03:03:13.393
And maybe one more.
03:03:16.000 --> 03:03:18.327
Thank you, hello, I
am Christine Holiganga.
03:03:18.327 --> 03:03:22.810
And I will be presenting the
components of SoCalGas's PIPP
03:03:22.810 --> 03:03:25.720
implementation plan,
today I will be reviewing
03:03:25.720 --> 03:03:28.660
four key areas, our approach to identify
03:03:28.660 --> 03:03:31.437
and target potential
eligible participants,
03:03:31.437 --> 03:03:34.241
our communications and outreach.
03:03:34.241 --> 03:03:38.350
SoCalGas is envisioned process
on PIPP enrollment in income
03:03:38.350 --> 03:03:40.590
verification, and finally the electric
03:03:40.590 --> 03:03:42.730
and gas bill CAPP splits.
03:03:42.730 --> 03:03:43.793
Next slide, please.
03:03:46.070 --> 03:03:49.130
In this slide, it really outlines
SoCalGas's two tiered
03:03:49.130 --> 03:03:53.021
approach in identifying
potential PIPP eligible participants
03:03:53.021 --> 03:03:56.060
as shown and bullet points one and two,
03:03:56.060 --> 03:04:00.140
first we've those CARE
residential customers that are most
03:04:00.140 --> 03:04:04.330
at risk of disconnection by
identifying the top 10 Zip Codes
03:04:04.330 --> 03:04:07.500
with the highest reoccurring
number of disconnections
03:04:07.500 --> 03:04:10.320
of enrolled CARE residential customers.
03:04:10.320 --> 03:04:14.555
So in the table below what
it displays first are those total
03:04:14.555 --> 03:04:19.555
CARE customers that are
potentially eligible to enroll
03:04:19.730 --> 03:04:22.983
into PIPP since they are
currently enrolled into CARE.
03:04:24.170 --> 03:04:25.960
In review of that data,
03:04:25.960 --> 03:04:28.880
what we found is that
there are over a 100,000
03:04:28.880 --> 03:04:32.390
potential customers that are
eligible and enrolled in CARE.
03:04:32.390 --> 03:04:35.870
So that number greatly
exceeds so-called gases,
03:04:35.870 --> 03:04:39.557
PIPP pilot participation
CAPP of 5,000 customers.
03:04:39.557 --> 03:04:43.710
Also in the table, what it
displays is our approach
03:04:43.710 --> 03:04:48.100
to target CARE customers
but also a subset of non CARE
03:04:48.100 --> 03:04:51.930
customers that have
experienced a disconnection.
03:04:51.930 --> 03:04:54.120
And then touching on bullet 0.2,
03:04:54.120 --> 03:04:57.210
in analyzing the Zip Codes
with the highest residential
03:04:57.210 --> 03:05:00.580
rates of disconnection, we
found that seven of 10 of those
03:05:00.580 --> 03:05:05.380
zip codes actually exist in
the data set that I described
03:05:05.380 --> 03:05:06.213
in bullet 0.1.
03:05:07.700 --> 03:05:10.160
And then finally for bullet 0.3,
03:05:10.160 --> 03:05:12.910
aligned with the language
and the decision that authorized
03:05:12.910 --> 03:05:16.050
the pilot programs
and in efforts to reduce
03:05:16.050 --> 03:05:17.683
the number of disconnections.
03:05:18.722 --> 03:05:23.080
SoCalGas proposes to reserve
10% of the total PIPP pilot
03:05:23.080 --> 03:05:25.660
participation CAPP for those customers
03:05:25.660 --> 03:05:27.760
who are subject to disconnection.
03:05:27.760 --> 03:05:32.400
So what this is equivalent to
is offering about 500 spaces
03:05:32.400 --> 03:05:35.610
to enroll eligible customers into PIPP
03:05:35.610 --> 03:05:37.593
before disconnecting the customer.
03:05:38.930 --> 03:05:39.993
Next slide please.
03:05:41.850 --> 03:05:43.810
So for communications and outreach,
03:05:43.810 --> 03:05:48.200
they're really two components
we are envisioning to utilize
03:05:48.200 --> 03:05:49.710
the traditional marketing
03:05:49.710 --> 03:05:51.750
education and outreach efforts,
03:05:51.750 --> 03:05:54.560
and then also
compliment those activities
03:05:54.560 --> 03:05:58.003
with community-based
organization or CBO support.
03:05:59.130 --> 03:06:01.843
So for marketing ME&O activities,
03:06:01.843 --> 03:06:06.120
SoCalGas envisions creating
a website and an intake
03:06:06.120 --> 03:06:09.120
enrollment form that
will be developed in place
03:06:09.120 --> 03:06:12.350
on our homepage.
03:06:12.350 --> 03:06:15.760
Then we will create awareness
of the pilot program through
03:06:15.760 --> 03:06:19.160
meaningful and consistent
tailored communications.
03:06:19.160 --> 03:06:21.750
And as I mentioned in slides before,
03:06:21.750 --> 03:06:23.960
we are targeting
through various channels,
03:06:23.960 --> 03:06:28.410
such as email and direct
mail letters to specific CARE
03:06:28.410 --> 03:06:30.963
and non CARE residential customers.
03:06:32.040 --> 03:06:33.600
In terms of ongoing support,
03:06:33.600 --> 03:06:36.410
we envisioned that the
customer contact center
03:06:36.410 --> 03:06:39.500
or CCC will be our
first point of contact
03:06:39.500 --> 03:06:43.470
for customer support
and then secondary issues
03:06:43.470 --> 03:06:46.370
then could be escalated
to either the billing team
03:06:46.370 --> 03:06:49.423
and or CARE program team for resolution.
03:06:50.580 --> 03:06:54.353
The component that I mentioned
before for CBO level support,
03:06:54.353 --> 03:06:58.190
we have talked through
leveraging select CBOs
03:06:58.190 --> 03:07:01.504
that are currently partners
under the low income decision
03:07:01.504 --> 03:07:06.504
to educate and build awareness
on these, this pilot program.
03:07:06.505 --> 03:07:09.300
And that would be heavily
dependent based on the top 10
03:07:09.300 --> 03:07:12.820
Zip Codes that we are
targeting for this pilot.
03:07:12.820 --> 03:07:15.900
And then another example
that we have been brainstorming
03:07:15.900 --> 03:07:19.350
is the potential opportunity
to leverage our existing
03:07:19.350 --> 03:07:23.290
partnership with the United
Way of Greater Los Angeles
03:07:23.290 --> 03:07:26.900
through the gas
assistance fund agencies.
03:07:26.900 --> 03:07:30.450
I wanted to note that these
GAF agencies are nonprofit
03:07:30.450 --> 03:07:34.040
organizations and they
are a network of agencies
03:07:34.040 --> 03:07:36.170
that partner with United Way,
03:07:36.170 --> 03:07:37.940
and they offer assistance throughout
03:07:37.940 --> 03:07:39.933
the entire SoCalGas territory.
03:07:41.700 --> 03:07:44.170
Partly these gap agencies handle upfront
03:07:44.170 --> 03:07:47.023
income intake verification.
03:07:48.280 --> 03:07:49.283
Next slide please.
03:07:52.690 --> 03:07:56.490
So SoCalGas is envisioned
process for PIPP enrollment
03:07:56.490 --> 03:08:01.490
and income verification are
highlighted here in this slide.
03:08:01.834 --> 03:08:05.690
SoCalGas envisions to
proactively send targeted
03:08:05.690 --> 03:08:09.510
communications to these
potential eligible customers.
03:08:09.510 --> 03:08:13.020
From there, those interested
customers would be directed
03:08:13.020 --> 03:08:16.610
to apply online through
the SoCalGas's website,
03:08:16.610 --> 03:08:19.360
through the interest intake form.
03:08:19.360 --> 03:08:23.620
Then SoCalGas can manage
those customer interests
03:08:23.620 --> 03:08:25.810
through the intake form,
03:08:25.810 --> 03:08:29.260
and it can also perform
income verification
03:08:29.260 --> 03:08:30.603
through this process.
03:08:31.500 --> 03:08:32.563
Next slide please.
03:08:35.577 --> 03:08:38.497
And finally, for the
electric gas bill CAPP split
03:08:40.900 --> 03:08:45.700
bill CAPP split will be a
separate for electric and gas
03:08:45.700 --> 03:08:49.272
service, utilities will
apply a monthly bill CAPP
03:08:49.272 --> 03:08:52.610
based on 4% of the household
income for both electric
03:08:52.610 --> 03:08:56.460
and gas and where their
customers that are served
03:08:56.460 --> 03:09:00.280
by two utilities, the
utilities would include a joint
03:09:00.280 --> 03:09:02.980
proposal for the
splitting of the bill CAPP
03:09:02.980 --> 03:09:04.483
between electric and gas.
03:09:06.130 --> 03:09:09.090
The bill CAPPs split will be
implemented as a line item,
03:09:09.090 --> 03:09:13.293
bill credit and what has
SoCalGas has proposed
03:09:13.293 --> 03:09:17.600
is the calculation
methodology to really estimate
03:09:17.600 --> 03:09:19.240
that average bill amount.
03:09:19.240 --> 03:09:23.060
And what we have
discussed currently with Edison
03:09:23.060 --> 03:09:27.677
is going forward with
a 36 month average bill
03:09:27.677 --> 03:09:30.280
for the CARE residential customers.
03:09:30.280 --> 03:09:33.530
This would exclude core
aggregation transportation
03:09:33.530 --> 03:09:37.670
customers, and in the
calculation of total charges,
03:09:37.670 --> 03:09:40.420
we will be including
CARE program discounts
03:09:40.420 --> 03:09:43.913
and also excluding user utility taxes.
03:09:46.440 --> 03:09:49.420
Thank you for the opportunity
to present SoCalGas's
03:09:49.420 --> 03:09:53.133
PIPP implementation
plan today, thank you.
03:10:00.190 --> 03:10:02.720
Hi, my name
is Jessica Chancellor.
03:10:02.720 --> 03:10:06.710
I am presenting on behalf
of Pacific Gas and Electric
03:10:06.710 --> 03:10:10.930
Company, can you confirm
that you can hear me, okay, great.
03:10:10.930 --> 03:10:12.943
Thank you, next slide please.
03:10:16.030 --> 03:10:19.557
So today I'm gonna take
the opportunity to provide you
03:10:19.557 --> 03:10:23.250
with just a very high level
overview of where we're at,
03:10:23.250 --> 03:10:27.080
especially considering time
I'm gonna be respectful of that,
03:10:27.080 --> 03:10:29.860
but to start with the
things I will touch on
03:10:29.860 --> 03:10:33.910
is billing implementation,
our targeted population
03:10:33.910 --> 03:10:38.310
and our marketing education
outreach also known as ME&O.
03:10:38.310 --> 03:10:42.180
So specifically for billing
offer the billing operation side
03:10:42.180 --> 03:10:46.120
of it, we're currently still looking at
03:10:46.120 --> 03:10:49.020
all of our options on
how to implement this,
03:10:49.020 --> 03:10:54.020
the timeline and the
complexity of the pilot is definitely
03:10:54.700 --> 03:10:58.880
something that is challenging
for us and may require us
03:10:58.880 --> 03:11:01.833
in fact, to do a form of manual billing.
03:11:02.732 --> 03:11:06.180
In regards to targeted population,
03:11:06.180 --> 03:11:10.470
we have a very large
number of eligible customers
03:11:10.470 --> 03:11:11.303
for the pilot,
03:11:11.303 --> 03:11:15.880
just as you you're hearing
from the other IOUs as well.
03:11:15.880 --> 03:11:18.530
But the areas that we're looking at
03:11:18.530 --> 03:11:22.860
are the highest number
of disconnections.
03:11:22.860 --> 03:11:26.700
We're currently looking
at the data for our CCAs
03:11:26.700 --> 03:11:28.050
that are participating.
03:11:28.050 --> 03:11:33.050
And we're also looking at
how our CBOs have the ability
03:11:34.240 --> 03:11:39.240
to support those targeted
areas and how they layer over
03:11:39.288 --> 03:11:43.280
the disconnections Zip
Codes that we'll be targeting.
03:11:43.280 --> 03:11:46.693
And then for the ME&O piece of this,
03:11:47.540 --> 03:11:50.540
because there is such a
large population of customers
03:11:50.540 --> 03:11:51.910
that are eligible,
03:11:51.910 --> 03:11:56.910
we are really targeting phased
approach for our outreach
03:11:58.259 --> 03:12:00.030
and for marketing,
03:12:00.030 --> 03:12:03.600
we'll be utilizing CVS
to help us with this,
03:12:03.600 --> 03:12:07.330
but we are wanting to
ensure that we are providing
03:12:07.330 --> 03:12:11.580
a good customer experience
and making sure that we do not
03:12:11.580 --> 03:12:16.580
overmarket to customers
and resulting in an excess
03:12:17.150 --> 03:12:19.460
of customers, interested in us having
03:12:19.460 --> 03:12:22.473
to turn them away, next slide.
03:12:25.770 --> 03:12:28.610
Okay, so a little bit
further about the billing
03:12:28.610 --> 03:12:30.690
implementation piece of it.
03:12:30.690 --> 03:12:33.130
Some of the items that
are in discussion right now,
03:12:33.130 --> 03:12:34.293
our bill CAPPs,
03:12:35.210 --> 03:12:38.342
we service both gas and
electric for a lot of our customers,
03:12:38.342 --> 03:12:42.660
but there are scenarios
where we do only service one
03:12:42.660 --> 03:12:47.660
commodity and we'll feel
like there is a potential dis,
03:12:50.250 --> 03:12:55.250
I guess it's a rather
an equitable result
03:12:56.680 --> 03:13:00.913
for customers who only
have one commodity.
03:13:01.950 --> 03:13:04.360
So in keeping that in mind,
03:13:04.360 --> 03:13:08.209
we are considering an
option of potentially having
03:13:08.209 --> 03:13:11.690
one CAPP per commodity.
03:13:11.690 --> 03:13:14.411
And if a customer only has
one of those has just one
03:13:14.411 --> 03:13:18.060
commodity, they would only
be capped at that amount.
03:13:18.060 --> 03:13:22.000
So for example, these
costs are just illustrative.
03:13:22.000 --> 03:13:24.310
These are not true costs at this point,
03:13:24.310 --> 03:13:27.630
but if a customer has electric only,
03:13:27.630 --> 03:13:30.490
rather than getting the $37 CAPP,
03:13:30.490 --> 03:13:33.150
they would only be capped at 27.
03:13:33.150 --> 03:13:36.193
And if they only had gas,
they would be capped at $10.
03:13:37.280 --> 03:13:39.420
So then it would be a
little bit more equitable
03:13:39.420 --> 03:13:44.080
for the customer as well
as not doing a disservice.
03:13:44.080 --> 03:13:46.640
And then if they have to
have propane or another,
03:13:46.640 --> 03:13:51.640
another service through a
different provider, next slide.
03:13:55.340 --> 03:13:57.810
Okay, so for our targeted population,
03:13:57.810 --> 03:13:59.323
I touched on this a bit,
03:13:59.323 --> 03:14:03.804
we're looking at the top 20
Zip Codes and those Zip Codes
03:14:03.804 --> 03:14:08.804
have the highest
number of disconnections.
03:14:09.560 --> 03:14:12.580
We have over 200,000 customers eligible.
03:14:12.580 --> 03:14:16.350
And just looking at that
we're our enrollment CAPP
03:14:16.350 --> 03:14:19.247
is only 5,000, so to
put it into perspective,
03:14:19.247 --> 03:14:24.040
that's more than 40 times the
amount we do also have seven
03:14:24.040 --> 03:14:28.240
CCAs that have cited
interest to participate.
03:14:28.240 --> 03:14:30.804
And those seven CCAs,
03:14:30.804 --> 03:14:35.510
we have two of them that are represented
03:14:35.510 --> 03:14:37.600
in the top 20 Zip Codes.
03:14:37.600 --> 03:14:39.490
That means that overall,
03:14:39.490 --> 03:14:43.044
the majority of our CCAs
that are participating
03:14:43.044 --> 03:14:46.870
don't have as many disconnections
03:14:46.870 --> 03:14:49.530
as some of these other areas.
03:14:49.530 --> 03:14:54.530
We are still providing an
allocated population to the CCAs
03:14:54.740 --> 03:14:59.240
per the decision, where we
would be giving them the total
03:14:59.240 --> 03:15:03.700
portion of the pilot CAPP
based on how their population
03:15:03.700 --> 03:15:07.314
fares against the total bundled
population for residential
03:15:07.314 --> 03:15:11.950
customers, and we have
a meeting slated to share
03:15:11.950 --> 03:15:15.530
all of that with our partner
CCAs tomorrow, or excuse me,
03:15:15.530 --> 03:15:17.930
on Friday where we'll
be getting a little bit more
03:15:17.930 --> 03:15:20.720
into the granulars of all of that.
03:15:20.720 --> 03:15:24.209
Similar to SoCalGas, we
are also looking at a reserve
03:15:24.209 --> 03:15:28.940
for two or more disconnections
and also customers
03:15:28.940 --> 03:15:33.220
as kind of a last to assist customers
03:15:33.220 --> 03:15:37.344
where they are being disconnected.
03:15:37.344 --> 03:15:42.344
Next slide, all right
and this is my last slide.
03:15:43.940 --> 03:15:47.383
I'm speaking to the ME&O piece of it.
03:15:47.383 --> 03:15:51.870
As I explained with 5,000
customers being kept
03:15:51.870 --> 03:15:55.130
for this pilot, it's we
have to be very strategic
03:15:55.130 --> 03:15:57.350
and our outreach efforts
03:15:57.350 --> 03:15:59.380
we'll be leveraging direct marketing.
03:15:59.380 --> 03:16:03.527
We'll also be utilizing CBOs
to assist in that measure.
03:16:03.527 --> 03:16:07.540
We currently have an
RFP that is underway,
03:16:07.540 --> 03:16:11.930
and this is expected to conclude
before the end of the year.
03:16:11.930 --> 03:16:16.930
One of the challenges that
we'll be faced with is that proof
03:16:16.930 --> 03:16:20.210
of income is a new role for our CBOs.
03:16:20.210 --> 03:16:22.563
We don't currently have
anyone that does that.
03:16:23.690 --> 03:16:25.610
And with customer privacy,
03:16:25.610 --> 03:16:29.090
being something that we
hold at the utmost important,
03:16:29.090 --> 03:16:34.090
we need to figure out a
way to have our CBOs assist
03:16:34.440 --> 03:16:37.040
in a way that protects customer privacy
03:16:37.040 --> 03:16:39.143
and also supports the program.
03:16:40.100 --> 03:16:42.240
So I'm available for
additional questions
03:16:42.240 --> 03:16:44.140
at the end of this, if there's time,
03:16:44.140 --> 03:16:47.435
or I would put my information
in the chat and you can reach
03:16:47.435 --> 03:16:50.420
out to me, I have
included an appendix slide.
03:16:50.420 --> 03:16:53.810
That is just for your guys's
knowledge on the timeline.
03:16:53.810 --> 03:16:55.010
Thank you for your time.
03:17:03.110 --> 03:17:06.070
All right, and then if we
could advance a few slides
03:17:06.070 --> 03:17:10.793
to the final presenter
for SDG&E, thank you.
03:17:23.520 --> 03:17:28.123
I'm just checking Erin,
are you able to continue?
03:17:41.150 --> 03:17:45.393
Erin, I see that you're
muted from your end, Erin,
03:17:55.480 --> 03:18:00.450
to unmute on the phone, I
think you need to press star.
03:18:03.279 --> 03:18:06.156
Hey, Gillian, this is Joe
and let me, oh, and there,
03:18:06.156 --> 03:18:08.406
it looks like she, looks
like they'd come up.
03:18:18.730 --> 03:18:23.730
Erin, otherwise perhaps
in the interest of time,
03:18:25.660 --> 03:18:27.590
we could, we can start
with some questions
03:18:27.590 --> 03:18:29.860
while we figure out Erin's.
03:18:29.860 --> 03:18:32.490
This is Joe Hega,
shall I try to unmute her
03:18:32.490 --> 03:18:33.580
from my end.
03:18:33.580 --> 03:18:35.903
Yes, that would be great.
03:18:38.800 --> 03:18:41.230
I was in this might be a
good opportunity for feedback,
03:18:41.230 --> 03:18:45.670
thanks, Gillian, I was
gonna say we're a little,
03:18:45.670 --> 03:18:49.170
we're probably like, I don't
know, 10, 15 minutes past time
03:18:49.170 --> 03:18:51.783
on this item already.
03:18:52.890 --> 03:18:55.490
And I know there was
already part of the plan
03:18:55.490 --> 03:18:58.400
to have a January committee meeting.
03:18:58.400 --> 03:19:01.450
So I'm wondering, we'll
certainly move forward
03:19:01.450 --> 03:19:02.630
with this presentation,
03:19:02.630 --> 03:19:07.630
but I'm wondering in terms
of feedback from our Board,
03:19:07.850 --> 03:19:10.600
if that's something we
could put on that agenda,
03:19:10.600 --> 03:19:13.040
just so I know if you
people have hard stops
03:19:13.040 --> 03:19:16.180
at four o'clock, I feel like
if we do Q and A on this,
03:19:16.180 --> 03:19:18.870
we're going to blow away
past that or not hear some
03:19:18.870 --> 03:19:22.349
of the items on our agenda today.
03:19:22.349 --> 03:19:25.550
So wanted to just kind
of do a temperature check
03:19:25.550 --> 03:19:29.430
with colleagues to see if we
did a joint committee meeting
03:19:29.430 --> 03:19:32.150
in January, which is kind
of probably late January,
03:19:32.150 --> 03:19:35.070
mid January, would that
be agreeable to them?
03:19:35.070 --> 03:19:37.140
And then Jessica
question to you would be,
03:19:37.140 --> 03:19:40.110
as I think I heard the
onset with the filing
03:19:40.110 --> 03:19:41.770
is on the 4th of February.
03:19:41.770 --> 03:19:46.130
And so if we did have a
committee meeting like the week
03:19:46.130 --> 03:19:51.130
of January and, or even
17 and provided feedback
03:19:51.450 --> 03:19:54.590
there would that still provide
enough time for the IOUs
03:19:54.590 --> 03:19:56.590
to take that feedback into consideration
03:19:56.590 --> 03:19:57.803
into their application?
03:20:04.870 --> 03:20:08.963
Yeah, thank you, I'm
just checking on that.
03:20:12.000 --> 03:20:16.753
It also looks like Erin is
up and ready for SDG&E.
03:20:18.050 --> 03:20:19.510
Can you here me now?
03:20:19.510 --> 03:20:20.500
Yes.
03:20:20.500 --> 03:20:21.333
Wonderful.
03:20:23.870 --> 03:20:26.020
Oh, I was going to say
Erin, why don't you proceed,
03:20:26.020 --> 03:20:29.245
and Jessica, if you're able
to get an answer on that,
03:20:29.245 --> 03:20:30.180
that could be helpful.
03:20:30.180 --> 03:20:31.761
Thank you.
03:20:31.761 --> 03:20:33.200
Erin forger.
03:20:33.200 --> 03:20:37.670
Great thank you, hello,
Commissioner, chair, Board,
03:20:37.670 --> 03:20:40.520
and joined IOU colleagues
and guests today's meeting.
03:20:40.520 --> 03:20:41.760
My name is Erin Maturo.
03:20:41.760 --> 03:20:44.887
I am the pilot owner for
PIPP pilot at San Diego Gas
03:20:44.887 --> 03:20:47.120
and Electric, over
the next five minutes,
03:20:47.120 --> 03:20:50.330
I'm gonna share with you
how we took the decision
03:20:50.330 --> 03:20:52.810
to inform how we're
going to implement the pilot
03:20:52.810 --> 03:20:56.179
into our billing system to
inform us our target population
03:20:56.179 --> 03:21:01.179
and eligible population, as
well as to inform our ME&O plan.
03:21:01.700 --> 03:21:02.763
Next slide, please.
03:21:06.250 --> 03:21:10.137
Next slide, we took the
eligibility requirements
03:21:14.860 --> 03:21:17.390
that the Commission's
direction and the decision
03:21:17.390 --> 03:21:19.320
to look out a few items.
03:21:19.320 --> 03:21:22.590
How can we implement
this into our billing system
03:21:22.590 --> 03:21:26.630
and how can we find and
identify the target population
03:21:26.630 --> 03:21:30.020
from that information, we
discovered that we have two groups
03:21:30.020 --> 03:21:34.280
of individuals, a very specific
group that was disconnected
03:21:34.280 --> 03:21:38.160
at a very specific point in
time and our CARE customers.
03:21:38.160 --> 03:21:41.630
We have that data extraction
as well as the data extraction
03:21:41.630 --> 03:21:43.683
on the topic disconnected Zip Code.
03:21:44.720 --> 03:21:46.090
We that in this data,
03:21:46.090 --> 03:21:48.400
like you've heard from
the other joint you use,
03:21:48.400 --> 03:21:51.313
that we had quite a broad offering group
03:21:51.313 --> 03:21:53.287
of a population eligible.
03:21:53.287 --> 03:21:57.468
And we brought that in a little
closer so that we can inform
03:21:57.468 --> 03:22:00.163
and take a look at our ME&O plan.
03:22:01.371 --> 03:22:02.913
Next slide please.
03:22:06.300 --> 03:22:10.030
So we will look to our new
billing system to implement
03:22:10.030 --> 03:22:14.330
the bill, and we are
looking to, as you've heard
03:22:14.330 --> 03:22:15.920
from the other joint
from the other joint I use
03:22:15.920 --> 03:22:18.010
a dual service, gas and electric,
03:22:18.010 --> 03:22:21.260
and we're going to take
that 4% split for the bill CAPP
03:22:21.260 --> 03:22:25.350
and allocate that based on
the average CARE customer bill
03:22:25.350 --> 03:22:28.630
for electricity and gas
into two categories.
03:22:28.630 --> 03:22:32.091
So we took it brought
together inland and coastal
03:22:32.091 --> 03:22:35.130
and desert and mountain
we'll take those averages
03:22:35.130 --> 03:22:38.460
and that average then
we'll inform the split.
03:22:38.460 --> 03:22:41.877
So there'll be a percentage
like you heard from PG&E
03:22:42.810 --> 03:22:45.201
a percentage that's gas and a percentage
03:22:45.201 --> 03:22:49.530
that is electricity, and
for a single service
03:22:49.530 --> 03:22:54.253
and individual, they will get
the full 4% of their income.
03:22:55.380 --> 03:22:59.537
Next slide, we are in the
capacity to work with two
03:23:05.250 --> 03:23:10.250
other CEAs, CCAs, CEA, and SCCP.
03:23:10.600 --> 03:23:13.770
And we look to the
information that is outlined here
03:23:13.770 --> 03:23:16.784
to target and get a group of individuals
03:23:16.784 --> 03:23:18.940
that need PIPP the most.
03:23:18.940 --> 03:23:21.870
And what you see here
on the screen is how we've
03:23:21.870 --> 03:23:24.530
kind of organized our
data because we have
03:23:24.530 --> 03:23:26.980
to meet the requirement
of a proportional share
03:23:26.980 --> 03:23:30.300
and with our CCAs, they're
going to be coming online
03:23:30.300 --> 03:23:33.840
gradually over the
duration of the pilot.
03:23:33.840 --> 03:23:37.560
So we have information
here before you that shows
03:23:37.560 --> 03:23:41.380
that we are looking to
two or more disconnections
03:23:41.380 --> 03:23:43.148
and a group of individuals there,
03:23:43.148 --> 03:23:47.870
as well as a group of Zip
Codes and individuals that reside
03:23:47.870 --> 03:23:50.500
in a very select group of Zip Codes.
03:23:50.500 --> 03:23:55.070
And we can take that
information as you can see a broad
03:23:55.070 --> 03:23:58.540
group of offering and then
adjust our marketing and outreach
03:23:58.540 --> 03:24:03.303
to a very specific
population, next slide.
03:24:07.520 --> 03:24:08.520
So as of right now,
03:24:08.520 --> 03:24:11.786
looking at our service
territory at the initial offering,
03:24:11.786 --> 03:24:15.760
we are looking at these
cities here on your screen.
03:24:15.760 --> 03:24:18.280
Now with the opportunity
of this decision,
03:24:18.280 --> 03:24:22.000
we also have the chance for
the CEA and SDCP to weigh
03:24:22.000 --> 03:24:25.651
on the Zip Codes that
they would like to target too.
03:24:25.651 --> 03:24:29.030
And that will help us to get
to the customer that needs
03:24:29.030 --> 03:24:31.343
the most help, next slide.
03:24:35.240 --> 03:24:40.240
So our ME&O plan is a very
targeted multi-step approach,
03:24:40.440 --> 03:24:44.000
that's going to be monitored
and adjusted using enrollment
03:24:44.000 --> 03:24:49.000
as a guidance, because we
have the complexity of many users,
03:24:50.430 --> 03:24:54.195
we want to make sure
that we're adjusting our plan
03:24:54.195 --> 03:24:57.090
to accommodate multiple channels.
03:24:57.090 --> 03:25:00.170
And so you can see here on
this screen at the SDG&E level,
03:25:00.170 --> 03:25:03.520
there'll be a website, there'll
be direct communication.
03:25:03.520 --> 03:25:06.030
We'll have our contact
center reps prepared to take
03:25:06.030 --> 03:25:07.720
and support questions.
03:25:07.720 --> 03:25:11.880
There'll be even an outbound
calling campaign if needed
03:25:11.880 --> 03:25:14.410
only if we're not able
to meet that target date,
03:25:14.410 --> 03:25:19.250
the six months from initial
offering and reach directly
03:25:19.250 --> 03:25:20.520
to the customer.
03:25:20.520 --> 03:25:23.110
We're also gonna partner with
our CBOs in our communities.
03:25:23.110 --> 03:25:25.480
We're gonna give them the
relevant information that they
03:25:25.480 --> 03:25:29.380
need to have that conversation
with the at-risk community
03:25:29.380 --> 03:25:32.559
and inform the customer,
along the way of the other
03:25:32.559 --> 03:25:37.559
program offerings and the
CCA is that having the opportunity
03:25:38.750 --> 03:25:40.230
to elaborate upon that,
03:25:40.230 --> 03:25:42.240
maybe there's a very special marketing
03:25:42.240 --> 03:25:45.830
that they would like to
do, we're open to that,
03:25:45.830 --> 03:25:48.030
and we look forward
to partnering with them.
03:25:50.760 --> 03:25:54.380
So over the next duration of our pilot,
03:25:54.380 --> 03:25:57.550
we're going to be taking the
information that was provided
03:25:57.550 --> 03:26:00.670
to us in requirements that
the Commission's direction
03:26:00.670 --> 03:26:03.683
to target individuals
that need our most help.
03:26:04.840 --> 03:26:06.013
Next slide, please.
03:26:09.460 --> 03:26:12.250
That concludes my
presentation, like the other IOUs.
03:26:12.250 --> 03:26:16.303
I'm prepared to answer any
questions that you might have.
03:26:18.420 --> 03:26:19.780
Back to you facilitator
03:26:20.770 --> 03:26:22.543
Okay, thank you
very much, Erin.
03:26:23.550 --> 03:26:25.860
And I think I'm gonna defer Jessica,
03:26:25.860 --> 03:26:29.403
were you able to get an
answer with respect to,
03:26:30.904 --> 03:26:33.270
if you committee meeting
might be an opportunity to provide
03:26:33.270 --> 03:26:34.933
more formal feedback?
03:26:36.590 --> 03:26:38.100
Yeah, thank you.
03:26:38.100 --> 03:26:41.410
So it sounds like mid
January would be workable
03:26:41.410 --> 03:26:43.723
for a Southern California Edison.
03:26:44.900 --> 03:26:46.910
As long as we are
able to work into that,
03:26:46.910 --> 03:26:48.120
sub-committee agenda,
03:26:48.120 --> 03:26:51.320
if we can get an hour on the
agenda so that we can share
03:26:51.320 --> 03:26:53.510
at that point, we'll have
feedback from some of the other
03:26:53.510 --> 03:26:55.590
working group sessions.
03:26:55.590 --> 03:27:00.520
I am seeing that the
date might be too late
03:27:00.520 --> 03:27:04.936
for another one of the IOUs.
03:27:04.936 --> 03:27:07.164
So we're all sort of in real time,
03:27:07.164 --> 03:27:10.300
trying to communicate
with the timing of that.
03:27:10.300 --> 03:27:14.880
But if the other IOUs outside
of SCE would like to chime
03:27:14.880 --> 03:27:16.700
in with their thoughts,
maybe that might be
03:27:16.700 --> 03:27:20.148
the most efficient, I don't
want to speak for the other IOUs
03:27:20.148 --> 03:27:24.150
if they haven't confirmed
their responses.
03:27:24.150 --> 03:27:28.180
Okay, understood, yeah.
03:27:28.180 --> 03:27:30.060
Apologies colleagues
for the circumstance.
03:27:30.060 --> 03:27:33.500
I think it's just, I do know
a few of our members
03:27:33.500 --> 03:27:38.010
have to leave right at four
o'clock and so I don't want us
03:27:38.010 --> 03:27:40.242
to skip over other items.
03:27:40.242 --> 03:27:45.242
So the other IOUs can provide an answer,
03:27:45.420 --> 03:27:47.173
that would be very helpful.
03:27:50.470 --> 03:27:52.490
Hi, this is Jessica with PG&E.
03:27:52.490 --> 03:27:56.720
I'm not getting any
communication on this topic.
03:27:56.720 --> 03:27:59.913
So is this coming over email or chat?
03:28:02.200 --> 03:28:03.410
If you're prepared
to answer now,
03:28:03.410 --> 03:28:05.866
I mean, the question really is just,
03:28:05.866 --> 03:28:09.970
if we were to have a
committee meeting say the week
03:28:09.970 --> 03:28:13.670
of the 10th of January and
provide more substantive
03:28:13.670 --> 03:28:16.670
feedback, then would that
be enough time for the IOUs
03:28:16.670 --> 03:28:19.310
to take that feedback,
when we consider anything
03:28:19.310 --> 03:28:21.763
for the February 4th filing date.
03:28:23.830 --> 03:28:26.479
For PG&E would
be incredibly tight,
03:28:26.479 --> 03:28:30.670
but I feel like any
feedback is really valuable
03:28:30.670 --> 03:28:32.230
from, at any point.
03:28:32.230 --> 03:28:35.223
So I would welcome
whatever we could get.
03:28:36.120 --> 03:28:40.680
Okay, very good, and for
SDG&E in Southern California Gas,
03:28:40.680 --> 03:28:42.680
are you able to comment on that as well?
03:28:43.970 --> 03:28:46.774
Yes, I concur that any
feedback we welcome,
03:28:46.774 --> 03:28:49.460
we look forward to engaging with you
03:28:49.460 --> 03:28:52.420
and we look forward to that.
03:28:55.561 --> 03:28:59.210
SoCalGas also we agree
any feedback provided
03:28:59.210 --> 03:29:00.730
would be helpful.
03:29:00.730 --> 03:29:03.605
Okay, excellent,
so we will work offline
03:29:03.605 --> 03:29:06.720
and work through our colleague, Jessica,
03:29:06.720 --> 03:29:09.640
to coordinate that as
quickly as possible.
03:29:09.640 --> 03:29:12.900
So tomorrow we'll start putting
the details on that together
03:29:12.900 --> 03:29:15.610
to see what works for our members.
03:29:15.610 --> 03:29:19.960
And with that, we will
continue on to item eight,
03:29:19.960 --> 03:29:21.790
which are the CPC standing reports.
03:29:21.790 --> 03:29:26.570
And first up there is, Kapil
from the Energy Division
03:29:26.570 --> 03:29:30.870
so I can feel whenever
you're ready, you have before.
03:29:30.870 --> 03:29:34.360
Hi chair, this is Gillian,
due to kind of the timing
03:29:34.360 --> 03:29:37.610
we're going to have to
rearrange the standard reports
03:29:37.610 --> 03:29:39.260
if that's possible.
03:29:39.260 --> 03:29:42.410
So we will begin with
the Water Division update
03:29:42.410 --> 03:29:46.462
and then move to changes
and then end with Kapil
03:29:46.462 --> 03:29:48.040
and Energy Division.
03:29:48.040 --> 03:29:51.950
So IT I hate to ask you
to kind of skip around
03:29:51.950 --> 03:29:54.970
the slide deck, but if you
could go to approximately
03:29:54.970 --> 03:29:59.970
slide 141, which we'll
have water utilities update,
03:30:02.260 --> 03:30:04.193
that would be great.
03:30:09.800 --> 03:30:14.800
Thanks Gillian, hi,
good afternoon everyone,
03:30:14.880 --> 03:30:15.920
it should be quick presentation.
03:30:15.920 --> 03:30:18.780
So hopefully I can get
help make up some time.
03:30:18.780 --> 03:30:21.620
I'm Viet Kevin Truong
from Water Division,
03:30:21.620 --> 03:30:24.270
and I'll be providing
updates on the water utilities.
03:30:24.270 --> 03:30:25.363
Next slide please.
03:30:28.015 --> 03:30:30.440
So just three topics today.
03:30:30.440 --> 03:30:33.400
I will provide the latest
data on customers enrolled
03:30:33.400 --> 03:30:35.720
in CAPP as well as conservation numbers.
03:30:35.720 --> 03:30:39.000
And I will be going
over assembly bill 1250,
03:30:39.000 --> 03:30:41.500
that was just passed in
October regarding acquisitions
03:30:41.500 --> 03:30:45.083
of failing or at-risk
systems, next slide please.
03:30:48.300 --> 03:30:51.810
So the latest data shows
that there are about 280,000
03:30:51.810 --> 03:30:53.690
customers enrolled in CAPP,
03:30:53.690 --> 03:30:55.940
a slight increase from
the previous months,
03:30:55.940 --> 03:30:59.940
and that represents about
23% of all residential customers
03:30:59.940 --> 03:31:01.750
served by the class A's,
03:31:01.750 --> 03:31:04.830
comparing it to the
beginning of the pandemic
03:31:04.830 --> 03:31:09.550
participation in continues to
increase and is now over 25%
03:31:09.550 --> 03:31:10.800
since March of last year.
03:31:11.810 --> 03:31:13.680
And as I mentioned in previous meetings,
03:31:13.680 --> 03:31:16.780
the data exchanges will
occur four times a year,
03:31:16.780 --> 03:31:18.943
starting next year, next slide please.
03:31:22.820 --> 03:31:25.030
Right conservation in July,
03:31:25.030 --> 03:31:28.430
the Governor called for a
Californians to voluntarily reduce
03:31:28.430 --> 03:31:32.740
water usage by 15%
compared to 2020 usage.
03:31:32.740 --> 03:31:37.177
This graph shows the water
IOUs water usage in 2019, 2020,
03:31:37.177 --> 03:31:42.177
and this year, you can see
that before July, 2021 usage
03:31:42.670 --> 03:31:44.890
was generally higher
than the past two years,
03:31:44.890 --> 03:31:48.863
but once the voluntary reduction
was in place and the water
03:31:48.863 --> 03:31:52.780
IOUs took actions to have
people conserve water usage
03:31:52.780 --> 03:31:55.330
has been lower than the past two years.
03:31:55.330 --> 03:31:59.640
Currently the cumulative
savings is 6.3% or the water IOUs
03:31:59.640 --> 03:32:02.343
and Statewide is 5.6%.
03:32:03.310 --> 03:32:04.820
So still a bit of work to do,
03:32:04.820 --> 03:32:08.370
to try and meet that voluntary 15%.
03:32:08.370 --> 03:32:09.270
Next slide please.
03:32:11.880 --> 03:32:15.770
And for the last slide
wants to discuss AB 1250,
03:32:15.770 --> 03:32:18.430
that was signed in October
and will be effective beginning
03:32:18.430 --> 03:32:20.090
of next year.
03:32:20.090 --> 03:32:22.850
The purpose of this bill
is to focus on acquisitions
03:32:22.850 --> 03:32:25.430
of small community water
systems that are struggling
03:32:25.430 --> 03:32:29.600
and labeled as failing or
at risk by state water Board.
03:32:29.600 --> 03:32:32.090
It provides a additional
guidance for the Commission
03:32:32.090 --> 03:32:35.380
to review an acquisition
application within 12 months.
03:32:35.380 --> 03:32:38.886
And if the water system is
under is valued under $5 million,
03:32:38.886 --> 03:32:41.480
an advice letter can be filed instead,
03:32:41.480 --> 03:32:45.130
and that review must be
completed within 180 days.
03:32:46.960 --> 03:32:50.620
So this bill also establishes
the consolidation for safe
03:32:50.620 --> 03:32:52.100
drinking water fund.
03:32:52.100 --> 03:32:55.530
A fee of $10,000 will be
charged when acquisition
03:32:55.530 --> 03:32:56.806
application is filed,
03:32:56.806 --> 03:32:59.940
which will be used by the
Commission to cover costs
03:32:59.940 --> 03:33:03.543
associated in reviewing and
processing the acquisition.
03:33:04.470 --> 03:33:07.940
So the goal of this bill
is to mainly prioritize
03:33:07.940 --> 03:33:11.330
acquisitions involving
those small water systems
03:33:11.330 --> 03:33:13.210
that are struggling.
03:33:13.210 --> 03:33:15.853
And that concludes my presentation.
03:33:19.150 --> 03:33:22.730
Okay, thank you as always
Kevin, comments or questions
03:33:22.730 --> 03:33:24.030
from members of the Board?
03:33:35.010 --> 03:33:36.450
Okay, I guess we're good.
03:33:36.450 --> 03:33:38.560
Kevin, thank as always look
forward to seeing you again
03:33:38.560 --> 03:33:39.560
at the next meeting.
03:33:40.530 --> 03:33:43.100
Oh, wait, I think I did
miss one, Jeff, do you have
03:33:43.100 --> 03:33:45.050
a comment or question?
03:33:45.050 --> 03:33:47.270
Oh, okay, sorry, we're
good, thank you, Kevin.
03:33:47.270 --> 03:33:48.300
See you next time.
03:33:48.300 --> 03:33:50.550
I was just complimenting
Kevin, that's all.
03:33:53.060 --> 03:33:58.060
Okay, so I think next
item or sub item on this item
03:33:58.120 --> 03:34:01.370
is the changes program update.
03:34:01.370 --> 03:34:04.453
And I think we have Ravi in the queue.
03:34:11.230 --> 03:34:13.520
Oh yeah, it's a
Ravinder Mangat,
03:34:13.520 --> 03:34:15.733
can you hear my voice?
03:34:17.070 --> 03:34:19.470
Okay, great, okay,
03:34:19.470 --> 03:34:22.490
I just want to say thank
you chairman Commissioner,
03:34:22.490 --> 03:34:27.490
Board members for having
the, this update on changes
03:34:28.160 --> 03:34:29.720
on the agenda.
03:34:29.720 --> 03:34:30.790
I know you're running a little late,
03:34:30.790 --> 03:34:35.080
so I'll try and be as
brief as I can just wanted
03:34:35.080 --> 03:34:38.020
to say the program contractors,
03:34:38.020 --> 03:34:41.050
Casey McFall from Milestone Consulting
03:34:41.050 --> 03:34:44.200
and Annie Chung from
Self-help for the Elderly
03:34:44.200 --> 03:34:47.723
are also on the line and
are here for any questions.
03:34:48.564 --> 03:34:50.453
Could I have the next slide please?
03:34:53.170 --> 03:34:57.640
Very briefly changes was
initiated to support predominantly
03:34:57.640 --> 03:34:59.290
limited English customers,
03:34:59.290 --> 03:35:02.430
but also supports disabled
and senior consumers
03:35:02.430 --> 03:35:05.910
with their energy services
through three major components,
03:35:05.910 --> 03:35:09.530
outreach education and
individual case assistance,
03:35:09.530 --> 03:35:12.580
which itself is broken
down into needs assistance
03:35:12.580 --> 03:35:14.453
and dispute resolution.
03:35:16.200 --> 03:35:19.990
Contract oversight is by the
CPCs consumer fair branch.
03:35:19.990 --> 03:35:22.990
And the contractors are
Self-help for the Elderly
03:35:22.990 --> 03:35:27.769
and Milestone Consulting,
just to brief lion on funding.
03:35:27.769 --> 03:35:32.500
So changes is what's
funded by the CARE program,
03:35:32.500 --> 03:35:34.560
and that will continue to be the case.
03:35:34.560 --> 03:35:39.560
The CARE decision also
approved funding continued through
03:35:39.621 --> 03:35:42.313
the end of the cycle and the 2026.
03:35:43.310 --> 03:35:44.563
Next slide please.
03:35:48.500 --> 03:35:52.510
Quick overview, Outreach
predominantly was undertaken
03:35:52.510 --> 03:35:56.856
via in-person community
events and traditional media.
03:35:56.856 --> 03:36:00.490
Obviously mostly in-person
events have been canceled.
03:36:00.490 --> 03:36:03.323
So traditional media
has taken up the slack.
03:36:04.180 --> 03:36:06.540
Also social media has also increased.
03:36:06.540 --> 03:36:10.070
You'll see there, Facebook
is very popular as honored
03:36:10.070 --> 03:36:12.324
by Twitter and Instagram,
03:36:12.324 --> 03:36:17.324
in terms of the education,
this was previously done
03:36:18.530 --> 03:36:23.090
all in person, mostly,
almost all in person that led
03:36:23.090 --> 03:36:28.090
to a great reduction in
education during the pandemic,
03:36:28.104 --> 03:36:32.000
but due to the efforts of the
contractor online education
03:36:32.000 --> 03:36:35.616
has continued now and 300
presentations have now been
03:36:35.616 --> 03:36:39.700
translated in all the different
languages into education
03:36:39.700 --> 03:36:41.573
topics that can be delivered online.
03:36:42.747 --> 03:36:46.580
Consumers do face issues
when we're dealing with a target
03:36:46.580 --> 03:36:51.580
group that, the main issues
are in access to good equipment
03:36:52.140 --> 03:36:54.791
that can run in a
fast internet and also,
03:36:54.791 --> 03:36:56.380
navigating some of these apps
03:36:56.380 --> 03:36:59.620
is challenging for the
group we're working with.
03:36:59.620 --> 03:37:02.570
So there are some ongoing
challenges with doing online
03:37:02.570 --> 03:37:06.637
education, but a lot,
it has moved forward.
03:37:06.637 --> 03:37:09.770
And to a large degree,
03:37:09.770 --> 03:37:12.180
it's a good effort by the contractors.
03:37:12.180 --> 03:37:15.037
A case assistance is as
mentioned needs assistance
03:37:15.037 --> 03:37:20.037
and disputes have been
delivered in over 26 languages,
03:37:20.352 --> 03:37:23.574
predominantly Spanish and Chinese,
03:37:23.574 --> 03:37:26.680
but Vietnamese also
is a significant language
03:37:26.680 --> 03:37:29.360
and probably three other languages.
03:37:29.360 --> 03:37:31.010
Could have the next slide please.
03:37:33.610 --> 03:37:35.113
Yeah, next slide please.
03:37:37.900 --> 03:37:42.120
Okay, in terms of the most
prevalent case assistance,
03:37:42.120 --> 03:37:44.070
looking at disputes,
most of the disputes
03:37:44.070 --> 03:37:47.250
or much of the dispute
activity in prior years
03:37:47.250 --> 03:37:50.532
has been connected to this connections,
03:37:50.532 --> 03:37:54.700
however, with the
moratorium, a lot of that activity
03:37:54.700 --> 03:37:58.830
is down, so dispute
activity is actually very low,
03:37:58.830 --> 03:38:00.540
relatively to the historical pattern
03:38:00.540 --> 03:38:02.250
that we've witnessed.
03:38:02.250 --> 03:38:05.550
However, there are
ongoing issues with CCAs
03:38:05.550 --> 03:38:09.453
and called transport
agents with CCS is generally
03:38:09.453 --> 03:38:12.870
some issues about not
understanding why their bills
03:38:12.870 --> 03:38:17.844
have been transferred over
not necessarily billing issues,
03:38:17.844 --> 03:38:22.844
with needs assistance, as
has been typical for this program
03:38:22.943 --> 03:38:27.540
over the years, HEAP/LIHEAP
and enrollment in financial
03:38:27.540 --> 03:38:31.590
assistance programs continue
to be the most in demand
03:38:31.590 --> 03:38:34.050
services and particularly
during the pandemic,
03:38:34.050 --> 03:38:36.200
we've seen this issue exacerbate,
03:38:36.200 --> 03:38:39.160
the arrearage management
plan was added this year
03:38:39.160 --> 03:38:41.670
and that's become one of
the more significant needs
03:38:41.670 --> 03:38:45.270
assistance issues that the
contract has done a good job
03:38:45.270 --> 03:38:50.170
of trying to conduct outreach
and sign folks up for that.
03:38:50.170 --> 03:38:52.883
Obviously the sample group we have
03:38:52.883 --> 03:38:56.170
is a small footprint of all
the customers out there,
03:38:56.170 --> 03:39:00.990
but instead of become a
feature of the changes landscape,
03:39:00.990 --> 03:39:05.330
some issues with billing or so
language changes continued.
03:39:05.330 --> 03:39:07.993
But if I could move on
to the next slide, please.
03:39:10.800 --> 03:39:12.620
Yeah, here, it's just
briefly just to show you
03:39:12.620 --> 03:39:15.870
that the orange line shows
the needs assistance,
03:39:15.870 --> 03:39:19.220
which are by far dwarf the disputes,
03:39:19.220 --> 03:39:23.220
again, the financial
assistance and LIHEAP,
03:39:23.220 --> 03:39:25.660
and now AMP have
become the majority of this.
03:39:25.660 --> 03:39:27.760
We had a bit of a spike in the summer,
03:39:27.760 --> 03:39:31.724
but that's by far the largest activity,
03:39:31.724 --> 03:39:35.460
our numbers are still low
compared to pre-pandemic,
03:39:35.460 --> 03:39:40.460
but we've seen a gradual
increase from last year overall.
03:39:40.650 --> 03:39:42.903
So, okay, next slide please.
03:39:46.370 --> 03:39:49.690
Yeah, so I think that the
Board asked that we provide
03:39:49.690 --> 03:39:52.660
a report back on our
risk management plans,
03:39:52.660 --> 03:39:54.880
currently it's at the end of last month,
03:39:54.880 --> 03:39:58.350
740 QMS consumers
were enrolled in the program
03:39:58.350 --> 03:39:59.913
through the CBO network.
03:40:00.963 --> 03:40:04.890
Total balances were
close to a million dollars,
03:40:04.890 --> 03:40:09.630
in the programs with an
average of around 1,400.
03:40:09.630 --> 03:40:14.137
The contractors have
followed up with customers,
03:40:15.180 --> 03:40:18.560
sample of customers to identify
how they've been managing,
03:40:18.560 --> 03:40:22.420
to stay on AMP and whether
they've had any issues.
03:40:22.420 --> 03:40:24.510
And some of the data is shown below,
03:40:24.510 --> 03:40:28.731
which is that about 31%
have managed to make all their
03:40:28.731 --> 03:40:31.449
payments and are current on the program.
03:40:31.449 --> 03:40:35.686
However, 40% have actually
been dropped from the sample
03:40:35.686 --> 03:40:40.130
because of missing payments
and 29% are at risk because
03:40:40.130 --> 03:40:43.140
if they have missed one
payment, so these numbers
03:40:43.140 --> 03:40:47.730
are fairly significant, I did
quantify that with a sample,
03:40:47.730 --> 03:40:49.960
but I think this is an issue,
03:40:49.960 --> 03:40:52.570
which I think the IOU
data also shows as well
03:40:52.570 --> 03:40:57.163
in the wider disconnections
reports that are produced.
03:40:58.418 --> 03:41:00.018
You have the next slide, please.
03:41:02.030 --> 03:41:04.520
Yeah, just again, to
show that education,
03:41:04.520 --> 03:41:08.030
we had to pivot from in-person to online
03:41:08.030 --> 03:41:10.970
and you can see over the
course of the last year or so
03:41:10.970 --> 03:41:12.960
that there's been a gradual increase.
03:41:12.960 --> 03:41:17.960
And at the folks are the CBO
has have pivoted to providing
03:41:19.320 --> 03:41:23.167
online education and they've
been able to sign consumers up
03:41:23.167 --> 03:41:25.460
and it's an ongoing trend again,
03:41:25.460 --> 03:41:28.620
still lower than
pre-pandemic, but sending,
03:41:28.620 --> 03:41:30.850
moving in it in a good direction,
03:41:30.850 --> 03:41:33.533
and based on the
efforts of the contractor,
03:41:35.150 --> 03:41:37.503
could we move to the next slide please?
03:41:39.060 --> 03:41:40.820
Okay, and in terms of topics,
03:41:40.820 --> 03:41:43.170
most probably topics that
are understanding your bill
03:41:43.170 --> 03:41:44.710
and assistance programs.
03:41:44.710 --> 03:41:47.840
Again, it kind of underlines
the issue with financial
03:41:47.840 --> 03:41:49.593
concerns that customers have had,
03:41:50.625 --> 03:41:53.740
over the last year, with the
pandemic, trying to understand,
03:41:53.740 --> 03:41:57.410
what the issues are and
why the bills are so high,
03:41:57.410 --> 03:42:02.410
like usages are up and help
with trying to get on programs
03:42:02.810 --> 03:42:07.810
is always, has typically
been at a high level prior
03:42:08.280 --> 03:42:10.910
to pandemic and that
continues to be the case.
03:42:10.910 --> 03:42:14.605
I think I've got one
more tutorial to show you,
03:42:14.605 --> 03:42:15.583
the next slide, please.
03:42:18.510 --> 03:42:21.560
Okay, yeah and actually it's outreach.
03:42:21.560 --> 03:42:23.850
So yeah outreach in general, again,
03:42:23.850 --> 03:42:26.510
in-person events have been canceled.
03:42:26.510 --> 03:42:31.510
So there has been a predominance
of working on traditional
03:42:31.630 --> 03:42:33.720
radio television and Brent,
03:42:33.720 --> 03:42:36.461
there have been issues
trying to access some
03:42:36.461 --> 03:42:39.643
of the broadcast
facilities, but, that's,
03:42:40.520 --> 03:42:43.670
the folks have tried to work on that,
03:42:43.670 --> 03:42:46.760
and they're working with
immigrant groups to provide
03:42:46.760 --> 03:42:49.520
the information to those local
communities that are in their
03:42:49.520 --> 03:42:53.000
language in the country specific way.
03:42:53.000 --> 03:42:56.620
And they've also integrated
COVID related information
03:42:56.620 --> 03:42:59.983
and protections as well as they can.
03:43:00.960 --> 03:43:04.323
So I think that's, again,
one more slide please.
03:43:09.120 --> 03:43:10.883
Okay, next slide please.
03:43:12.860 --> 03:43:14.530
Okay, again, just to finish off here,
03:43:14.530 --> 03:43:17.970
just to show you how the
CBOs have kind of used their own
03:43:17.970 --> 03:43:20.360
approaches to provide services by,
03:43:20.360 --> 03:43:25.360
here's a vaccine clinic and
providing services onsite,
03:43:25.740 --> 03:43:28.628
for folks that there are
issues with their bills or,
03:43:28.628 --> 03:43:31.520
requiring any help
with any other services,
03:43:31.520 --> 03:43:35.540
CBO staff had been out
working remotely to try
03:43:35.540 --> 03:43:39.780
and provide an end kind of
work around the current pandemic
03:43:39.780 --> 03:43:43.290
landscape, so, again,
kudos to them for trying to find
03:43:43.290 --> 03:43:46.040
these approaches and
the program in shrines,
03:43:46.040 --> 03:43:51.040
these kinds of innovative
designs by the CBOs.
03:43:51.240 --> 03:43:53.756
So I think that's it.
03:43:53.756 --> 03:43:55.193
One more slide, please.
03:43:57.000 --> 03:43:58.720
Yeah, thank you, that's
the end of the presentation.
03:43:58.720 --> 03:44:02.310
Thank you, if there any questions
we have Casey and Annie
03:44:02.310 --> 03:44:03.910
on the line as well.
03:44:03.910 --> 03:44:06.363
So if you want to go
dive a little deeper there,
03:44:06.363 --> 03:44:09.243
we have access to the buzzer them.
03:44:12.370 --> 03:44:14.830
Questions or comments
from members of the Board,
03:44:14.830 --> 03:44:17.280
I think that's the Board
member Medina's hand up.
03:44:20.380 --> 03:44:22.703
Yes, thank you, Mr. Mangat,
03:44:24.730 --> 03:44:26.610
I hope that you were able
to catch the presentation
03:44:26.610 --> 03:44:30.300
by Reverend Brandon earlier,
03:44:30.300 --> 03:44:33.898
but also I was concerned
with the outreach,
03:44:33.898 --> 03:44:37.390
working with non-profits,
I understand that,
03:44:37.390 --> 03:44:41.970
we have to work regardless of
what pandemic was happening.
03:44:41.970 --> 03:44:46.470
So I was wondering
if the, how the staff,
03:44:46.470 --> 03:44:50.500
and the people who work with
changes have been affected
03:44:50.500 --> 03:44:54.850
emotionally and if we're
able to help them in some way,
03:44:54.850 --> 03:44:58.540
or is there some services that
might be needed for the CBOs,
03:44:58.540 --> 03:45:01.900
because dealing with utility costs
03:45:01.900 --> 03:45:05.743
and disconnection
questions and pandemic,
03:45:06.731 --> 03:45:10.420
it takes a toll before
they had to help a lot with
03:45:10.420 --> 03:45:13.940
the crisis as far as being
disconnected with the LIHEAP
03:45:13.940 --> 03:45:16.030
programs and so forth like that.
03:45:16.030 --> 03:45:18.860
But now on top of
everything the pandemic.
03:45:18.860 --> 03:45:22.925
So I was wondering if your
staff and also your CBOs
03:45:22.925 --> 03:45:26.100
and changes how are you
guys taking CARE of you.
03:45:26.100 --> 03:45:28.663
And I hope you are,
and I too want to say,
03:45:28.663 --> 03:45:30.010
thank you for the work you still did,
03:45:30.010 --> 03:45:32.660
regardless of the pandemic, thank you.
03:45:32.660 --> 03:45:34.780
Yeah, I think I'll
just allow Casey,
03:45:34.780 --> 03:45:36.530
I think in particular to say a word,
03:45:36.530 --> 03:45:39.210
if she's available, I think
that due to the Casey
03:45:39.210 --> 03:45:43.170
and Annie have done a
remarkable job of trying to keep these
03:45:43.170 --> 03:45:46.658
CBOs provide us some
the support that they need
03:45:46.658 --> 03:45:49.033
and keeping the information.
03:45:51.456 --> 03:45:54.376
And here at CPUC, we're
happy to help in any way we can.
03:45:54.376 --> 03:45:56.670
And Casey frequently gives
us the insight that we need.
03:45:56.670 --> 03:45:58.780
And then so does Annie as well.
03:45:58.780 --> 03:46:01.363
So Casey I'll hand the floor to you.
03:46:02.370 --> 03:46:05.287
Hi everybody, and
thank you, the Lulu for that.
03:46:05.287 --> 03:46:08.180
And for asking about that,
03:46:08.180 --> 03:46:10.584
it's been a tough couple of years.
03:46:10.584 --> 03:46:14.550
I think for all of us, one thing that
03:46:14.550 --> 03:46:17.750
we constantly remind ourselves
is that when the pandemic
03:46:17.750 --> 03:46:21.450
first hit, all of our
CBOs really essentially
03:46:21.450 --> 03:46:24.600
became frontline workers immediately,
03:46:24.600 --> 03:46:27.870
Annie's organization immediately
had to go to home delivered
03:46:27.870 --> 03:46:30.540
meals, many of our
organizations did that.
03:46:30.540 --> 03:46:34.027
All of the congregate feeding
sites had to go to home
03:46:34.027 --> 03:46:35.985
delivery, it's been wearing,
03:46:35.985 --> 03:46:39.560
and it's been a long time
and the pandemic is not over.
03:46:39.560 --> 03:46:43.350
We're still losing 1500
people a day in this country.
03:46:43.350 --> 03:46:48.248
And so, now asking CBOs
to move forward on new things
03:46:48.248 --> 03:46:53.248
when things are not
completely recovered yet
03:46:53.500 --> 03:46:54.870
has been difficult.
03:46:54.870 --> 03:46:56.240
One of the things that we do,
03:46:56.240 --> 03:46:59.050
because we are actually a coalition,
03:46:59.050 --> 03:47:02.270
we're not just a network
that contracts with CBOs,
03:47:02.270 --> 03:47:04.460
but we're a coalition
that works together
03:47:04.460 --> 03:47:08.030
is that we're able to
provide a lot of extra support.
03:47:08.030 --> 03:47:12.850
So all of our CBO workers
have access through milestone
03:47:12.850 --> 03:47:15.683
to credentialed coaching.
03:47:16.810 --> 03:47:21.810
We do a weekly check ins with each CBO
03:47:23.444 --> 03:47:27.150
on progress and we help them to take,
03:47:27.150 --> 03:47:30.330
we have always helped them
to tailor their service delivery
03:47:30.330 --> 03:47:33.100
so that it's not just a
cookie cutter approach.
03:47:33.100 --> 03:47:34.920
That's part of cultural competency.
03:47:34.920 --> 03:47:38.350
As you have to be able to
change your service delivery
03:47:38.350 --> 03:47:42.931
methods, to meet the community
that you're trying to reach,
03:47:42.931 --> 03:47:44.810
but with the pandemic,
03:47:44.810 --> 03:47:46.540
that's increased quite a bit.
03:47:46.540 --> 03:47:50.000
And so just as an example,
things like our requests
03:47:50.000 --> 03:47:53.920
for one-on-one coaching, we
used to do a couple of week
03:47:53.920 --> 03:47:58.497
now I'm doing two or three
a day just with CBO staff,
03:48:03.610 --> 03:48:08.610
because there's, as Lulu
there's stressors that have to do
03:48:09.210 --> 03:48:12.120
with just that we're
all facing in general
03:48:12.120 --> 03:48:13.941
because of a pandemic.
03:48:13.941 --> 03:48:15.660
But then there are also the
additional stressors of having
03:48:15.660 --> 03:48:20.461
to still meet goals and
expectations without the resources
03:48:20.461 --> 03:48:22.393
that you usually have.
03:48:24.481 --> 03:48:28.420
An example, one of our
organizations in San Diego
03:48:29.640 --> 03:48:34.640
has had almost 50% of
their staff submit doctor's
03:48:35.080 --> 03:48:38.900
recommendations that they
not go back into the office.
03:48:38.900 --> 03:48:41.920
This is an organization that
serves the disabled community
03:48:41.920 --> 03:48:45.333
and so their stuff themselves
are at a higher risk as well.
03:48:46.341 --> 03:48:51.341
And so we're doing as much
as we think we can to support
03:48:53.320 --> 03:48:56.008
our CBOs individually and as a group
03:48:56.008 --> 03:49:00.318
and doing lots of recognition,
helping them figure out how
03:49:00.318 --> 03:49:04.210
to implement more volunteers.
03:49:04.210 --> 03:49:07.510
But that means more training,
it means background checks.
03:49:07.510 --> 03:49:10.380
It means a lot of extra
stuff there as well,
03:49:10.380 --> 03:49:14.090
but we do those kinds of
things to try to keep services
03:49:14.090 --> 03:49:16.100
going as best we can.
03:49:16.100 --> 03:49:18.653
And I think that CBS have stepped up,
03:49:19.820 --> 03:49:20.960
but numbers are down.
03:49:20.960 --> 03:49:23.723
I think they will continue
to be down for a while,
03:49:25.640 --> 03:49:30.640
and we'll continue to try
to modify any approaches
03:49:30.750 --> 03:49:33.850
that we take to meet the
needs and then provide
03:49:33.850 --> 03:49:36.550
the individual and organizational
support that we can.
03:49:39.740 --> 03:49:44.043
Thank you Casey, Board
members Wimbley is your hand up?
03:49:46.190 --> 03:49:48.987
Yes, thank you, well, we
thank you for the presentation
03:49:48.987 --> 03:49:52.050
and I just wanted to circle
back on some statistics,
03:49:52.050 --> 03:49:55.320
you kind of referenced in your
presentation regarding AMP
03:49:55.320 --> 03:50:00.320
participation and the 31% that
made it and payments on time.
03:50:00.626 --> 03:50:04.959
The 40% that removed from
the payment for failure to fulfill
03:50:04.959 --> 03:50:09.290
those payment obligations
and the 29% that missed one
03:50:09.290 --> 03:50:12.883
payment and are at risk of
being removed from the program.
03:50:13.780 --> 03:50:17.750
This was curious as to do
being that AMP is a relatively
03:50:17.750 --> 03:50:21.200
new program, and it was
possibly doing this heavy lifting
03:50:21.200 --> 03:50:24.530
to help mitigate some of
the challenges that people
03:50:24.530 --> 03:50:26.480
have encountered during the pandemic,
03:50:26.480 --> 03:50:29.090
namely this issue
of energy affordability
03:50:30.050 --> 03:50:32.130
and having past due bills.
03:50:32.130 --> 03:50:36.010
Do we know like, whether
it's some of the challenges
03:50:36.010 --> 03:50:39.309
that are preventing an
individual from completing
03:50:39.309 --> 03:50:42.280
their enrollment in the amp program.
03:50:42.280 --> 03:50:44.173
Builds are very, very high.
03:50:45.720 --> 03:50:50.720
So, it's a little interesting
that when people haven't been
03:50:52.110 --> 03:50:54.590
not been able to pay
their bills for so long
03:50:54.590 --> 03:50:57.990
that they have a balance of a
thousand to 2000, yesterday,
03:50:57.990 --> 03:51:01.780
I saw one for 10,000 to
assume that now they're enrolled
03:51:01.780 --> 03:51:05.110
in a program and they'll just
be able to make their current
03:51:05.110 --> 03:51:06.160
charges every month.
03:51:06.160 --> 03:51:08.220
If they could make their
current charges every month,
03:51:08.220 --> 03:51:09.640
they wouldn't need AMP,
03:51:09.640 --> 03:51:12.000
they wouldn't need a
24 month payment plan
03:51:12.000 --> 03:51:14.920
and be enrolled in that when, I mean,
03:51:14.920 --> 03:51:17.880
payment plans only work
if you actually have money
03:51:17.880 --> 03:51:19.290
to make your payment.
03:51:19.290 --> 03:51:22.660
And if your bills are
low enough to do that.
03:51:22.660 --> 03:51:26.140
And so you can keep putting
people on two, three, four, five
03:51:26.140 --> 03:51:27.150
different payment plans.
03:51:27.150 --> 03:51:29.840
It's not going to matter
if the bill is so high,
03:51:29.840 --> 03:51:31.883
that it exceeds their ability to pay.
03:51:33.403 --> 03:51:36.073
Right, yeah, and I know
that we were hoping to cover
03:51:36.073 --> 03:51:38.490
this in more detail
on item four but chair,
03:51:38.490 --> 03:51:41.530
I just wanted to flag
this as an area of interest
03:51:41.530 --> 03:51:46.530
for the Board, because
again, AMP, LIHEAP, CAPP,
03:51:46.640 --> 03:51:49.930
these are all programs that
are here to try to address this
03:51:49.930 --> 03:51:54.930
issue of utility arrearages
and minimize the risk
03:51:54.930 --> 03:51:57.130
of surface disconnection.
03:51:57.130 --> 03:51:59.461
And I think we need to understand,
03:51:59.461 --> 03:52:02.630
but understand what are the
challenges that are preventing
03:52:02.630 --> 03:52:05.467
an individual from successfully
completing the program.
03:52:05.467 --> 03:52:07.990
And then if there's anything
that we can do differently,
03:52:07.990 --> 03:52:11.290
I think we know what I did
that comes to mind to me is that,
03:52:11.290 --> 03:52:14.450
the requirements from AMP
were such that now we're testing
03:52:14.450 --> 03:52:16.830
them in the, in the real life situation,
03:52:16.830 --> 03:52:20.410
and maybe they need to be
revisited or something needs to be
03:52:20.410 --> 03:52:23.250
done to maybe better assess
those that are being enrolled
03:52:23.250 --> 03:52:26.250
in the AMP to make sure
that they can maximize
03:52:26.250 --> 03:52:28.750
the opportunity and the
benefits of some of the program.
03:52:28.750 --> 03:52:31.130
And again, making
sure that they can afford
03:52:31.130 --> 03:52:32.670
those repayment terms.
03:52:32.670 --> 03:52:34.837
So, yeah, I think this is a real issue
03:52:34.837 --> 03:52:37.103
and I'm hoping that we can
also include this in our meeting
03:52:37.103 --> 03:52:38.143
meeting next month.
03:52:40.680 --> 03:52:42.010
That's great feedback,
and I would agree.
03:52:42.010 --> 03:52:46.420
I think maybe the key here
is what are the criteria for just
03:52:46.420 --> 03:52:49.700
more forgiveness and where
did those dollars come from?
03:52:49.700 --> 03:52:51.700
'Cause obviously you can't just forgive,
03:52:53.580 --> 03:52:56.190
without some sort of resolution
of where the dollars come
03:52:56.190 --> 03:52:58.550
from, but yeah, that
makes a lot of sense.
03:52:58.550 --> 03:53:00.500
If people don't have
the income to begin with
03:53:00.500 --> 03:53:03.070
and how are they going to meet the plan,
03:53:03.070 --> 03:53:06.640
they're just setting themselves
up for all kinds of problems
03:53:06.640 --> 03:53:08.103
that will snowball.
03:53:09.758 --> 03:53:12.572
And I would just
follow all of that up with,
03:53:12.572 --> 03:53:17.572
the way we present things
and put the responsibility
03:53:17.585 --> 03:53:20.140
for this on a low-income person,
03:53:20.140 --> 03:53:23.280
by saying they have failed to comply,
03:53:23.280 --> 03:53:25.740
or they failed to meet the demands.
03:53:25.740 --> 03:53:29.165
When we're setting them up for failure
03:53:29.165 --> 03:53:34.165
and nobody wants to
carry a $5,000 balance
03:53:37.370 --> 03:53:39.140
on their electric bill.
03:53:39.140 --> 03:53:42.840
Nobody is choosing to go
out and spend that money
03:53:42.840 --> 03:53:44.513
on something irresponsibly.
03:53:46.600 --> 03:53:48.070
And so when we look at things like,
03:53:48.070 --> 03:53:51.330
I think percentage of
income combined with some
03:53:51.330 --> 03:53:53.123
of these things might help.
03:53:54.060 --> 03:53:56.480
But another thing to remember about that
03:53:56.480 --> 03:53:59.090
is for the populations that we serve,
03:53:59.090 --> 03:54:01.670
people have a very
difficult time proving income.
03:54:01.670 --> 03:54:05.460
They don't necessarily
get paychecks that show tax
03:54:05.460 --> 03:54:08.840
deductions or if you
work in a certain areas,
03:54:08.840 --> 03:54:11.400
sometimes you still get paid in cash.
03:54:11.400 --> 03:54:14.730
We found that to be
a problem with people
03:54:14.730 --> 03:54:18.780
who want to apply
sometimes for lifeline.
03:54:18.780 --> 03:54:20.550
I'm sorry, I'm not
going to start rolling.
03:54:20.550 --> 03:54:24.990
So sometimes when
people have to prove income,
03:54:24.990 --> 03:54:27.900
they may not have the appropriate
documentation to do that.
03:54:27.900 --> 03:54:30.770
So you may be leaving out
the most vulnerable people,
03:54:30.770 --> 03:54:35.770
if your requirements are
difficult for them to meet.
03:54:36.640 --> 03:54:39.370
So it's something to
consider as you go forward,
03:54:39.370 --> 03:54:41.730
is how do you prove income?
03:54:41.730 --> 03:54:44.403
And what if you don't have
a Social Security number?
03:54:47.800 --> 03:54:48.890
I think those are
all good points.
03:54:48.890 --> 03:54:52.683
I think also just to take
Jason's you were talking about
03:54:52.683 --> 03:54:55.113
with item four and everything,
03:54:57.600 --> 03:55:00.250
is it sort of premise to this
committee meeting in January
03:55:00.250 --> 03:55:01.520
to just take a step back?
03:55:01.520 --> 03:55:05.430
It's been, I think I speak
for everybody when I just say
03:55:05.430 --> 03:55:07.960
it has been a very long two years,
03:55:07.960 --> 03:55:09.813
'cause it's almost two years.
03:55:09.813 --> 03:55:10.950
And by the time the holidays are over,
03:55:10.950 --> 03:55:14.250
we're basically there and
there's been a tremendous amount
03:55:14.250 --> 03:55:17.570
of energy expended, but
not a really a lot of time
03:55:17.570 --> 03:55:21.340
for any in depth reflection.
03:55:21.340 --> 03:55:25.590
And so I've talked with a
couple of colleagues here
03:55:25.590 --> 03:55:30.190
about just what does equity and success
03:55:30.190 --> 03:55:31.850
in our space actually look like,
03:55:31.850 --> 03:55:34.210
and how do we want to measure that?
03:55:34.210 --> 03:55:36.870
And then how do we write it down?
03:55:36.870 --> 03:55:41.698
So in any case, thank you
again for the great presentation.
03:55:41.698 --> 03:55:46.698
It's always Ravi and also
Casey and the changes team.
03:55:47.980 --> 03:55:51.053
And I see we're rejoined
by our Commissioner.
03:55:52.280 --> 03:55:56.757
And I was also going to
ask, I know our agenda,
03:55:57.700 --> 03:56:02.290
I believe at a schedule for
a break from 3:00 to 3:15.
03:56:02.290 --> 03:56:06.170
So we could take that now
and just hear the Energy Division
03:56:06.170 --> 03:56:07.920
update, when we reconvene,
03:56:07.920 --> 03:56:11.100
I suspect we're going to
make up a fair amount of time
03:56:11.100 --> 03:56:15.653
on the other items
and still get out by four.
03:56:17.610 --> 03:56:21.190
So do you folks want to take
a 10 or 15 minute break right
03:56:21.190 --> 03:56:23.522
now or just continue through,
03:56:23.522 --> 03:56:27.393
I'm pretty open to whatever
the group wants to do.
03:56:33.140 --> 03:56:35.760
We have to take a
bathroom break, so.
03:56:35.760 --> 03:56:38.220
Yeah, so why don't we take
the break and we'll come back,
03:56:38.220 --> 03:56:41.930
it's a 3:15 as scheduled
and we'll hear from the energy
03:56:41.930 --> 03:56:45.120
division and then we'll
catch up on the other items.
03:56:45.120 --> 03:56:45.970
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The floor is yours to fill.
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Okay, hi everyone, thank
you for staying for my part
03:57:29.330 --> 03:57:32.710
of the presentation, Kapil
Kulkarni Energy Division
03:57:32.710 --> 03:57:35.270
within the California
Public Utilities Commission,
03:57:35.270 --> 03:57:39.030
and wanting to provide
three major updates.
03:57:39.030 --> 03:57:43.440
The first is on the ESA CARE
FERA programs primarily
03:57:43.440 --> 03:57:44.817
on the ESA program.
03:57:44.817 --> 03:57:47.940
The second will be on
summer reliability updates
03:57:47.940 --> 03:57:50.410
and the third, a brief
update on the longterm
03:57:50.410 --> 03:57:51.713
needs assessment study.
03:58:08.561 --> 03:58:10.978
Next slide please, thank you.
03:58:13.380 --> 03:58:17.393
So the current work going
on within the proceeding,
03:58:18.300 --> 03:58:22.160
our program cycle,
as mentioned last time,
03:58:22.160 --> 03:58:24.970
the IOU submitted a
joint compliance filing
03:58:24.970 --> 03:58:29.760
to align which customer
segments, treatment tiers,
03:58:29.760 --> 03:58:32.820
and measures, it will
be treating an offering
03:58:32.820 --> 03:58:37.353
as part of the ESA program
going forward through 2026.
03:58:37.353 --> 03:58:39.720
As I mentioned earlier,
03:58:39.720 --> 03:58:43.170
this includes some of
the customer segments,
03:58:43.170 --> 03:58:48.170
including those effected by
relating to affordability ratio,
03:58:48.880 --> 03:58:51.970
financial considerations,
as well as geography,
03:58:51.970 --> 03:58:55.720
such as customers living in
disadvantaged communities.
03:58:55.720 --> 03:59:00.170
And so the purpose of this
was to get further information
03:59:00.170 --> 03:59:03.110
from the IOUs on which of the segments
03:59:03.110 --> 03:59:04.680
they'll be prioritizing,
03:59:04.680 --> 03:59:07.273
which are the same across utilities,
03:59:08.143 --> 03:59:11.240
which are different and to
bring some further alignment
03:59:11.240 --> 03:59:15.030
in terms of how the program
is implemented Statewide.
03:59:15.030 --> 03:59:18.880
But staff is currently
reviewing protests and replies
03:59:18.880 --> 03:59:22.220
to that advice letter and
plans to dispose of the advice
03:59:22.220 --> 03:59:27.220
letter shortly, the purpose
of providing that advice letter
03:59:27.961 --> 03:59:30.150
or requiring it earlier.
03:59:30.150 --> 03:59:34.980
Most of that the IOUs can
then submit their implementation
03:59:34.980 --> 03:59:38.200
plan advice letter is for the
deeper energy savings pilot.
03:59:38.200 --> 03:59:43.200
The IOUs did that in late
November PG&E and San Diego
03:59:43.850 --> 03:59:48.713
have separate solicitations
in terms of each of them
03:59:50.420 --> 03:59:54.140
offering full third-party
design and implementation
03:59:55.040 --> 03:59:58.855
to where the bidding
contractor or implementer,
03:59:58.855 --> 04:00:02.790
what design and implement the program.
04:00:02.790 --> 04:00:07.790
And each of the IOUs would
consider the bids received
04:00:08.280 --> 04:00:13.280
and pick the design that best
adheres to the implementation
04:00:13.480 --> 04:00:18.480
plan, the ACE and Southern
California Gas Company,
04:00:18.680 --> 04:00:23.290
because they have a
large overlapping territory
04:00:23.290 --> 04:00:26.899
are planning for a program
that's designed by the utilities
04:00:26.899 --> 04:00:29.203
and implemented by a contractor.
04:00:30.300 --> 04:00:34.790
And so these programs
plan to launch by Q3 of 2022,
04:00:34.790 --> 04:00:38.010
based on Energy Division
disposition of the advice,
04:00:38.010 --> 04:00:41.830
letters and contracting process
04:00:41.830 --> 04:00:43.643
for implementation of the program.
04:00:46.100 --> 04:00:47.050
Next slide, please.
04:00:54.180 --> 04:00:56.870
Other activities that Energy
Division is involved with
04:00:56.870 --> 04:01:00.030
regards the working
groups for the ESA, CARE
04:01:00.030 --> 04:01:04.470
and FERA programs, the
main working group is the ESA
04:01:04.470 --> 04:01:07.700
working group, which is
something that is fairly new
04:01:07.700 --> 04:01:12.700
to the ESA program, previous
cycles have had various working
04:01:13.970 --> 04:01:17.280
groups of limited duration or scope,
04:01:17.280 --> 04:01:22.280
but the purpose of this working
group is to provide a forum
04:01:24.900 --> 04:01:29.420
for the IOUs, Energy
Division, for stakeholders,
04:01:29.420 --> 04:01:30.960
including members of the working group,
04:01:30.960 --> 04:01:35.240
as well as members of
the public to provide input
04:01:35.240 --> 04:01:40.240
on multiple issues as
part of the program cycle
04:01:40.730 --> 04:01:42.910
going through 2026,
04:01:42.910 --> 04:01:47.900
this includes a kind
of a sub working group
04:01:47.900 --> 04:01:52.610
or a consideration of additional
measures to be included
04:01:52.610 --> 04:01:54.360
or removed from the program.
04:01:54.360 --> 04:01:58.380
And the purpose of this was
to address some of the issues
04:01:58.380 --> 04:01:59.670
from the last program cycle,
04:01:59.670 --> 04:02:03.340
where measures could only
be added at the beginning
04:02:03.340 --> 04:02:05.490
of the cycle through a decision
04:02:05.490 --> 04:02:07.490
or kind of a mid cycle process.
04:02:07.490 --> 04:02:10.530
But in this case, if
there is a new technology
04:02:10.530 --> 04:02:13.090
or measure that contractors are really
04:02:14.510 --> 04:02:17.096
looking to install or that
customers are requesting
04:02:17.096 --> 04:02:20.540
the IOU bring it up for
consideration through the working
04:02:20.540 --> 04:02:23.170
group, the working group can discuss
04:02:23.170 --> 04:02:27.930
and contractors can weigh
in on what types of measures
04:02:27.930 --> 04:02:31.373
should be included or how
the measures should be,
04:02:33.877 --> 04:02:37.884
I guess, brought out to the
public or to the customers.
04:02:37.884 --> 04:02:41.320
And then the IOU can submit
notification of this new measure
04:02:41.320 --> 04:02:43.303
through their standard monthly reports.
04:02:45.000 --> 04:02:47.700
Related to that, one of the
other additional groups will be
04:02:47.700 --> 04:02:50.260
kind of a more technical
group focused on the policies
04:02:50.260 --> 04:02:51.780
and procedures manual
04:02:51.780 --> 04:02:54.030
as well as the installation
standards manual.
04:02:54.030 --> 04:02:55.690
So once a say, for example,
04:02:55.690 --> 04:02:59.180
if a measure is considered
and then approved through
04:02:59.180 --> 04:03:02.280
the working group, and then
the IOU's monthly reports,
04:03:02.280 --> 04:03:05.890
then the policies and procedures
manual and the installation
04:03:05.890 --> 04:03:08.930
standards panel can then
be updated by an additional
04:03:08.930 --> 04:03:11.840
kind of technical working
group that's part of the overall
04:03:11.840 --> 04:03:15.410
working group for these
manuals to make sure
04:03:15.410 --> 04:03:17.703
that those manuals
reflect those changes.
04:03:20.180 --> 04:03:23.280
A couple of the other working
groups that the ESA working
04:03:23.280 --> 04:03:26.470
group will also encompass
is focused on the mid cycle
04:03:26.470 --> 04:03:31.320
process, that's weather
the program operations,
04:03:31.320 --> 04:03:34.320
and the goals that
the decision laid out,
04:03:34.320 --> 04:03:37.820
whether those are being
met and as well as whether
04:03:37.820 --> 04:03:40.600
additional goals should
be added to the program.
04:03:40.600 --> 04:03:44.700
And so that mid cycle process
will really pick up in 2023
04:03:44.700 --> 04:03:47.940
in preparation for
any changes that occur
04:03:47.940 --> 04:03:51.030
after that starting in the
second half of the cycle
04:03:51.030 --> 04:03:53.783
from 2024 through 2026.
04:03:56.880 --> 04:03:57.713
Kapil.
04:03:58.680 --> 04:03:59.850
Yap.
04:03:59.850 --> 04:04:01.870
So if with these
working groups,
04:04:01.870 --> 04:04:05.140
if it's whoever would
like to participate
04:04:06.596 --> 04:04:10.763
can log in into these meetings.
04:04:11.830 --> 04:04:16.830
So I mean, contractors and
suppliers and we're having it,
04:04:17.690 --> 04:04:22.690
it's all are welcome, is that correct?
04:04:22.900 --> 04:04:26.020
That's correct, the
decision does say that,
04:04:26.020 --> 04:04:29.330
their working groups should
consist of no more than two
04:04:29.330 --> 04:04:32.154
members from each
category in order to make sure
04:04:32.154 --> 04:04:35.410
that the group doesn't get
too big to be on productive,
04:04:35.410 --> 04:04:39.826
but any member of the
public, whether it's contractor,
04:04:39.826 --> 04:04:44.826
a CBO or other organization
can still participate
04:04:45.440 --> 04:04:50.120
in the meetings and be
made available of all the notes
04:04:50.120 --> 04:04:52.510
and other presentations and discussions
04:04:52.510 --> 04:04:54.380
that come out of this working group
04:04:54.380 --> 04:04:56.240
for out of the working groups.
04:04:56.240 --> 04:04:57.773
Okay, thank you.
04:05:00.800 --> 04:05:02.840
The next item is the universal
04:05:02.840 --> 04:05:04.600
application system working group.
04:05:04.600 --> 04:05:06.540
And the reason this
one is a little bit different
04:05:06.540 --> 04:05:10.290
is because this working group
has a very kind of sub working
04:05:10.290 --> 04:05:14.320
group has a very specific mission
to develop recommendations
04:05:14.320 --> 04:05:16.270
for a universal application system
04:05:16.270 --> 04:05:18.700
in order to ease the burden
of customers applying
04:05:18.700 --> 04:05:21.430
for multiple programs,
and they must develop
04:05:21.430 --> 04:05:24.500
these recommendations by July, 2022.
04:05:24.500 --> 04:05:28.030
And so this working group
has met already as opposed
04:05:28.030 --> 04:05:29.200
to the ESA working group,
04:05:29.200 --> 04:05:31.640
which is having a kickoff
meeting in January.
04:05:31.640 --> 04:05:36.640
And again, I think we're
trying to limit participation
04:05:38.640 --> 04:05:41.020
for the actual working
group to no more than two
04:05:41.020 --> 04:05:42.610
of each category, but again,
04:05:42.610 --> 04:05:44.340
all of these meetings
are open to the public
04:05:44.340 --> 04:05:46.863
and we've all come
additional participation.
04:05:50.500 --> 04:05:53.620
And similarly, the ESA
CARE study working group
04:05:53.620 --> 04:05:57.770
has been formed to
manage the non-statutory
04:05:57.770 --> 04:05:59.150
ESA CARE studies.
04:05:59.150 --> 04:06:02.704
So that includes the
categorical eligibility study
04:06:02.704 --> 04:06:05.400
that was required by the decision,
04:06:05.400 --> 04:06:09.710
the impact evaluation
studies that relate to savings
04:06:09.710 --> 04:06:12.100
from the program process evaluation,
04:06:12.100 --> 04:06:17.100
which refers to how the
I use run the programs,
04:06:17.219 --> 04:06:21.370
not just be focused on savings impacts
04:06:21.370 --> 04:06:24.110
as well as the
non-energy benefits study.
04:06:24.110 --> 04:06:27.960
So this working group has
already met and includes a broad
04:06:27.960 --> 04:06:30.870
section cross section of organizations,
04:06:30.870 --> 04:06:35.870
including Cal PA within the
CPUC, other state organizations,
04:06:36.240 --> 04:06:38.350
as well as non-profits
04:06:38.350 --> 04:06:42.323
and ESA program
participants, next slide.
04:06:55.170 --> 04:06:56.690
In addition to the working groups,
04:06:56.690 --> 04:07:00.930
there's also a procurement
review group that is responsible
04:07:00.930 --> 04:07:03.930
for involvement in the
multifamily whole building program
04:07:03.930 --> 04:07:08.930
solicitation, the PRG was
formed by the IOUs with input
04:07:10.640 --> 04:07:11.963
from the Energy Division,
04:07:13.100 --> 04:07:18.100
starting with an outreach
process that started in August.
04:07:18.150 --> 04:07:23.067
And the purpose of the
PRG is to advise the utility
04:07:26.300 --> 04:07:28.340
that's leading the solicitation
04:07:28.340 --> 04:07:33.340
on the process for
the particular program.
04:07:33.610 --> 04:07:36.700
So that there's also an
independent evaluator that's under
04:07:36.700 --> 04:07:41.700
contract to the IOU that
also advises the PRG
04:07:41.880 --> 04:07:45.053
and produces reporting
on the solicitation process.
04:07:45.930 --> 04:07:50.393
The other tasks of the
independent valuator include,
04:07:51.741 --> 04:07:56.741
working with Energy Division
staff to provide more input
04:07:57.990 --> 04:08:02.141
on the criteria that
the utilities are using
04:08:02.141 --> 04:08:07.141
to evaluate bids, as well
as submitting both internal
04:08:07.640 --> 04:08:10.490
reports to the PRG and public reports
04:08:10.490 --> 04:08:14.203
on the overall process once
the solicitation is complete.
04:08:16.680 --> 04:08:18.660
The role of the PRG,
04:08:18.660 --> 04:08:23.180
which consists of various
members that I'll get
04:08:23.180 --> 04:08:27.870
to in a second includes
review of the draft RFP review
04:08:27.870 --> 04:08:32.870
of the bidder information
and bidder packages,
04:08:33.972 --> 04:08:37.040
review of interview
questions and the responses
04:08:37.040 --> 04:08:38.960
to those questions from the bidders,
04:08:38.960 --> 04:08:42.150
as well as reviewing
the materials developed
04:08:42.150 --> 04:08:43.600
by the independent evaluator.
04:08:47.270 --> 04:08:50.300
The slide also notes
the charter for the PRG,
04:08:50.300 --> 04:08:54.270
what their scope and purposes,
04:08:54.270 --> 04:08:57.330
and that charter was
sent out to the service list
04:08:57.330 --> 04:09:02.180
and is also posted on the
cake website for anyone
04:09:02.180 --> 04:09:03.380
from the public to view.
04:09:05.650 --> 04:09:08.647
Next slide, in terms
of who is on the PRG,
04:09:14.240 --> 04:09:18.665
this includes, similar to the
working group across section
04:09:18.665 --> 04:09:23.665
of parties and other organizations
and including the IOUs
04:09:24.243 --> 04:09:28.003
Energy Division and California
public advocates, as well as,
04:09:28.003 --> 04:09:31.276
and this is kind of the
key term is non-financially
04:09:31.276 --> 04:09:35.690
interested parties to make
sure that organizations
04:09:35.690 --> 04:09:38.810
that are reviewing the
bids that are coming in can,
04:09:38.810 --> 04:09:42.260
kind of put their fingers
and toes on the scales
04:09:42.260 --> 04:09:43.390
to influence the process,
04:09:43.390 --> 04:09:46.870
to benefit themselves or an organization
04:09:46.870 --> 04:09:47.917
that they're a part of.
04:09:47.917 --> 04:09:51.390
And so this includes
non-profit organizations
04:09:51.390 --> 04:09:55.693
and other organizations
that have a lot of experience,
04:09:56.645 --> 04:09:58.370
especially on the main
energy efficiency side,
04:09:58.370 --> 04:10:01.690
in terms of evaluating
bids and participating
04:10:01.690 --> 04:10:03.663
in a solicitation process.
04:10:04.705 --> 04:10:08.900
And whereas the working
group is focused on operations
04:10:08.900 --> 04:10:13.600
and implementation of the ESA
and CARE and FERA programs.
04:10:13.600 --> 04:10:18.190
The PRG is more limited
in scope to an overview
04:10:18.190 --> 04:10:20.583
and review of the solicitation process.
04:10:26.390 --> 04:10:31.390
So Kapil, the PRG looks
at the overall process.
04:10:35.580 --> 04:10:40.310
The independent evaluator
looks at the, or monitors,
04:10:48.596 --> 04:10:49.830
the proposed and the
evaluation of the proposals
04:10:51.930 --> 04:10:52.893
and so forth.
04:10:54.260 --> 04:10:56.460
Right, the independent
evaluators kind
04:10:56.460 --> 04:11:00.240
of like a consultant to the
utilities that also advises
04:11:00.240 --> 04:11:04.890
the PRG and the PRG is
a larger group that reviews
04:11:04.890 --> 04:11:08.730
the materials that the
IOUs are sending out
04:11:08.730 --> 04:11:11.640
and receiving as part of
the solicitation process.
04:11:11.640 --> 04:11:16.410
So that there's, it's kind of,
one is a typically a person,
04:11:16.410 --> 04:11:17.917
one is more like a group,
04:11:17.917 --> 04:11:22.010
but they both have input
into how open and fair
04:11:25.100 --> 04:11:29.163
and transparent the
solicitation processes to avoid,
04:11:30.570 --> 04:11:33.780
contracting issues or kind
of tipping of the scales, or,
04:11:33.780 --> 04:11:37.300
and to make sure that all
bits they're being evaluated
04:11:37.300 --> 04:11:42.300
fairly, as opposed to
certain bids or contractors
04:11:43.210 --> 04:11:48.163
being favored instead of others.
04:11:49.800 --> 04:11:54.723
And so we heard from
Anna Solario this morning
04:11:58.007 --> 04:12:02.207
in terms about
transparency of this group,
04:12:02.207 --> 04:12:07.207
and basically asking for
reports out about the work
04:12:10.030 --> 04:12:15.030
in progress this group,
and does the charter provide
04:12:15.100 --> 04:12:19.280
for that kind of effort
04:12:22.240 --> 04:12:24.903
or through the independent evaluator?
04:12:25.860 --> 04:12:30.693
I mean, again, you're
towards transparency.
04:12:33.890 --> 04:12:37.960
Yeah, I think this process,
04:12:37.960 --> 04:12:40.993
which is only for the multifamily
whole building program,
04:12:40.993 --> 04:12:45.940
the purpose of which is to
ensure that there is a process
04:12:45.940 --> 04:12:50.250
for re or reviewing bids and making sure
04:12:50.250 --> 04:12:52.840
that they're evaluated fairly,
04:12:52.840 --> 04:12:56.950
previously or in other
solicitations that are not part
04:12:56.950 --> 04:13:01.267
of this, then it's all
kind of information,
04:13:01.267 --> 04:13:05.490
stays within the higher
you, or stays within the bidder
04:13:05.490 --> 04:13:09.720
that's participating,
but they don't know
04:13:09.720 --> 04:13:12.500
how their bids maybe compared to others,
04:13:12.500 --> 04:13:15.680
or if the process was fair
compared to another bidder,
04:13:15.680 --> 04:13:19.230
whereas this will provide
more transparency,
04:13:19.230 --> 04:13:23.610
something that's been
existing on the main east side
04:13:23.610 --> 04:13:26.670
for a couple of years has
for these energy efficiency
04:13:26.670 --> 04:13:30.510
programs, as well as what
the IOUs have been doing
04:13:30.510 --> 04:13:33.998
on their supply side
or energy procurement
04:13:33.998 --> 04:13:36.762
for many years as well.
04:13:36.762 --> 04:13:41.762
And so the charter has been
released to the public and then,
04:13:43.890 --> 04:13:47.540
following the solicitation
process in order to make sure
04:13:47.540 --> 04:13:51.916
that the process can proceed
smoothly and without bias,
04:13:51.916 --> 04:13:56.360
the IOU produces a public
report that will be available
04:13:56.360 --> 04:13:59.668
to all parties and all potential bidders
04:13:59.668 --> 04:14:04.230
to confirm that the process
was fair based on input
04:14:04.230 --> 04:14:05.207
from the PRG.
04:14:07.965 --> 04:14:10.660
And if I can add,
this is Alison CPUC,
04:14:10.660 --> 04:14:15.660
that IOU reports part of the
final submission to the advice
04:14:17.300 --> 04:14:22.300
that the selected contract
that comes out of the whole
04:14:22.530 --> 04:14:26.390
solicitation process with
PRG and IOU oversight
04:14:26.390 --> 04:14:28.980
goes in front of Energy
Division for approval
04:14:28.980 --> 04:14:31.072
via the advice letter process.
04:14:31.072 --> 04:14:34.813
And so that you report as part of the,
04:14:34.813 --> 04:14:37.270
that there was a fair process,
04:14:37.270 --> 04:14:40.160
no tipping of scales as
part of Energy Division's final
04:14:40.160 --> 04:14:42.453
review before the contract is approved.
04:14:43.330 --> 04:14:48.330
And that tier two as a public
document and folks can weigh
04:14:49.350 --> 04:14:53.943
in on that is Weiss lower, yeah, okay.
04:14:58.374 --> 04:15:01.920
Anna has indicated contrary
to Commission's goals
04:15:01.920 --> 04:15:03.450
do include different voices.
04:15:03.450 --> 04:15:06.340
I know that in this part of the effort
04:15:06.340 --> 04:15:11.340
that there a concerted effort to,
04:15:13.430 --> 04:15:18.100
and the other folks like
earth justice and so forth
04:15:18.100 --> 04:15:23.100
who are not involved in
bidding competing for monies,
04:15:25.840 --> 04:15:30.473
but the working group effort
is the venue for providing
04:15:31.560 --> 04:15:36.560
a more expansive group of
folks to weigh in and work on
04:15:40.840 --> 04:15:45.570
specific guidance and
attributes in bring in that what they
04:15:45.570 --> 04:15:47.980
experienced voices through,
04:15:47.980 --> 04:15:52.929
who they're working with is
that I captured that properly
04:15:52.929 --> 04:15:54.703
Kapil and Alison.
04:15:56.040 --> 04:15:59.643
Yes, yeah, I wanted to
point out that all who applied
04:16:02.490 --> 04:16:06.680
for the PRG starting
with the outreach process
04:16:06.680 --> 04:16:11.060
that started over the summer
and included information
04:16:11.060 --> 04:16:14.290
sent to multiple service
lists and outreach
04:16:14.290 --> 04:16:17.390
by Energy Division and
the IOUs that all of those
04:16:17.390 --> 04:16:20.100
who applied were accepted
onto the PRG except
04:16:20.100 --> 04:16:22.250
for those who had a financial conflict.
04:16:22.250 --> 04:16:25.930
So we welcomed those who could provide
04:16:25.930 --> 04:16:27.760
that additional voice in it.
04:16:27.760 --> 04:16:30.383
If they were not able to
make it out to the PRG,
04:16:30.383 --> 04:16:33.170
then we welcome their
participation in the ESA working
04:16:33.170 --> 04:16:37.577
group, which it's kind
of like a two-step process
04:16:37.577 --> 04:16:42.577
to where one, you go out
for bid for particular part
04:16:43.100 --> 04:16:47.780
of the program and then in
order to see how that program
04:16:47.780 --> 04:16:50.950
is running then I think the
working group will provide
04:16:50.950 --> 04:16:53.217
a better opportunity.
04:16:53.217 --> 04:16:57.040
Whereas a solicitation
process is more limited
04:16:57.040 --> 04:17:01.023
and only occurs at the
beginning of the before
04:17:01.023 --> 04:17:02.960
even the program even starts.
04:17:02.960 --> 04:17:06.736
So we see the working group
as being able to influence
04:17:06.736 --> 04:17:11.100
policy and direction of the
utilities for a longer period
04:17:11.100 --> 04:17:12.913
and a broader as well.
04:17:14.486 --> 04:17:16.903
(indistinct)
04:17:20.614 --> 04:17:22.970
Is somebody talking right now?
04:17:22.970 --> 04:17:26.453
Oh yeah, Commissioner
is the Benito there.
04:17:31.850 --> 04:17:34.293
Do I have a connectivity problem?
04:17:37.031 --> 04:17:40.260
Your voice is a
little bit soft there.
04:17:40.260 --> 04:17:42.070
If Benito was that you.
04:17:42.070 --> 04:17:44.340
It was, sorry, I'll speak up.
04:17:44.340 --> 04:17:46.522
I didn't mean to, I was
asking to interject that,
04:17:46.522 --> 04:17:48.385
I wasn't sure if you were done,
04:17:48.385 --> 04:17:50.993
so I didn't want to
interrupt you on that, so.
04:17:50.993 --> 04:17:51.980
Go ahead.
04:17:51.980 --> 04:17:55.620
Thank you, first
this is a lot of work,
04:17:55.620 --> 04:17:58.630
so I just wanted to say thank
you could feel an analysis
04:17:59.468 --> 04:18:02.060
because I think that's understated
04:18:02.060 --> 04:18:04.037
some of these PowerPoints,
04:18:04.037 --> 04:18:08.700
and I understand the goals
of the PRG versus some
04:18:08.700 --> 04:18:11.600
of the other working groups
that are a little bit broader,
04:18:12.555 --> 04:18:16.173
but I guess I didn't
fully know or appreciate
04:18:16.173 --> 04:18:21.173
that out of all the
non-financially interested parties,
04:18:22.070 --> 04:18:26.240
none of them really
have at their core focus,
04:18:26.240 --> 04:18:29.690
working with low income
communities and households.
04:18:29.690 --> 04:18:32.730
And I do remember this
being very broadly advertised,
04:18:32.730 --> 04:18:34.210
and I don't really question that,
04:18:34.210 --> 04:18:37.640
but I'm wondering if it's
possible to recruit another
04:18:37.640 --> 04:18:41.940
organization that doesn't
have a financial interest
04:18:41.940 --> 04:18:46.050
to advise, because this
procurement work is going to be
04:18:46.050 --> 04:18:48.780
for products and services
that go into low-income
04:18:48.780 --> 04:18:53.398
people's homes and there
needs to be a voice within
04:18:53.398 --> 04:18:57.970
this space of people who work
as the core of their business
04:18:57.970 --> 04:19:01.780
with low-income people
in their homes that are in,
04:19:01.780 --> 04:19:04.050
and it's not disrespect to their work
04:19:04.050 --> 04:19:09.050
any of the IOU or the
nonfinancial interested parties,
04:19:09.630 --> 04:19:13.137
which logically, because this
is an energy savings program
04:19:13.137 --> 04:19:15.710
lean towards the environmental focus,
04:19:15.710 --> 04:19:18.540
but these are still going into
low income people's homes.
04:19:18.540 --> 04:19:22.140
And there's lots of details
that are really important
04:19:22.140 --> 04:19:23.510
when you're doing that.
04:19:23.510 --> 04:19:26.510
That should be part
of this working group
04:19:26.510 --> 04:19:28.500
in policymaking process.
04:19:28.500 --> 04:19:31.890
So it could be something
we can talk more about offline.
04:19:31.890 --> 04:19:34.401
I'm happy to help find organizations,
04:19:34.401 --> 04:19:36.760
but I just wanted to highlight that.
04:19:36.760 --> 04:19:41.760
Well, let's clarify that the
National Consumer Law Center
04:19:45.220 --> 04:19:50.220
is an advocacy group that
has represented low income
04:19:50.942 --> 04:19:55.942
households and community in communities,
04:19:56.560 --> 04:19:59.580
disadvantaged communities, right?
04:19:59.580 --> 04:20:04.331
So folks may not be
completely familiar with some
04:20:04.331 --> 04:20:09.330
of the work of these folks now,
04:20:09.330 --> 04:20:14.253
and also, NRDC does
have efforts in our very own.
04:20:17.052 --> 04:20:21.430
And Maria Stamas has been
very heavily involved with NRDC
04:20:22.940 --> 04:20:27.297
and communities of color
disadvantaged communities
04:20:27.297 --> 04:20:28.560
and so forth.
04:20:28.560 --> 04:20:33.560
But the suggestion and the chat
from Anna about having a CSD
04:20:35.870 --> 04:20:38.820
involved could be a consideration.
04:20:38.820 --> 04:20:41.310
I don't know if there was a deadline,
04:20:41.310 --> 04:20:46.310
this is already known or
beyond adding new members.
04:20:47.020 --> 04:20:52.020
But if there's an opportunity
to spread Jason Wimbley,
04:20:54.220 --> 04:20:59.220
even further was all things
you've got to do, Jason.
04:21:02.890 --> 04:21:04.680
You've just been drafted.
04:21:04.680 --> 04:21:07.613
Yeah, did help out here.
04:21:08.559 --> 04:21:13.559
Certainly CSD as a state
agency has a rules of experience.
04:21:14.450 --> 04:21:15.733
They are a state agency.
04:21:16.990 --> 04:21:19.940
So that's all I'm saying
is that it's maybe folks
04:21:19.940 --> 04:21:24.173
just aren't that keenly
familiar with all of these groups.
04:21:27.620 --> 04:21:28.950
Yeah, I appreciate that.
04:21:28.950 --> 04:21:30.310
I confess I'm not as familiar
04:21:30.310 --> 04:21:32.653
with the National Consumer Law Center.
04:21:34.164 --> 04:21:36.560
So I mean, if they have
an expertise that I think
04:21:36.560 --> 04:21:41.310
that might help it, I would
still try to encourage opening
04:21:41.310 --> 04:21:45.853
it up more possibly, but I
appreciate the information.
04:21:46.960 --> 04:21:47.793
Yeah.
04:21:49.340 --> 04:21:50.271
Sorry about that.
04:21:50.271 --> 04:21:51.970
I didn't mean to interrupt
the presentation could feel,
04:21:51.970 --> 04:21:53.970
I know you have a couple of slides, but.
04:21:55.210 --> 04:21:56.260
That's a good deal.
04:22:04.140 --> 04:22:07.760
Thank you, the final
member list and the charter
04:22:11.540 --> 04:22:15.300
was sent to the service
list based on language
04:22:15.300 --> 04:22:16.990
from the decision.
04:22:16.990 --> 04:22:20.860
But, we can look into
whether there is flexibility
04:22:20.860 --> 04:22:25.860
to be able to consider
additional members of the PRG,
04:22:27.965 --> 04:22:30.180
but want to make sure that we still
04:22:30.180 --> 04:22:32.003
adhere to decision language.
04:22:34.740 --> 04:22:37.653
And so the next slide I
had was just on next steps,
04:22:38.600 --> 04:22:41.670
including the groups that are
meeting the working groups
04:22:41.670 --> 04:22:43.993
and the procurement review groups,
04:22:45.320 --> 04:22:49.010
as well as the work
that the IOUs are doing
04:22:49.010 --> 04:22:52.043
on the solicitation process, including,
04:22:52.043 --> 04:22:56.480
multiple kind of bidder
matchmaking events,
04:22:56.480 --> 04:22:57.770
supplier diversity events,
04:22:57.770 --> 04:23:01.520
and bidders workshops
related to specific RFPs
04:23:01.520 --> 04:23:04.420
in order to make sure that large bidders
04:23:04.420 --> 04:23:06.480
can look for subcontractors,
04:23:06.480 --> 04:23:10.840
subcontractors can look for
larger bidders to partner with
04:23:10.840 --> 04:23:15.840
and make it easier to
enable wider participation
04:23:16.855 --> 04:23:20.470
and more awareness of
all the different solicitations
04:23:20.470 --> 04:23:25.130
and programs that are going
out for bid in starting in 2022,
04:23:25.130 --> 04:23:29.363
or that have already
gone out there in Q4.
04:23:30.810 --> 04:23:33.630
And so more information
on these solicitations
04:23:33.630 --> 04:23:37.130
and events are at the
IOU solicitation websites.
04:23:37.130 --> 04:23:39.511
If you search for any of the IOUs
04:23:39.511 --> 04:23:40.690
and their ESA solicitations
04:23:40.690 --> 04:23:43.973
or ESA programs, or just
look on the cake website.
04:23:44.960 --> 04:23:47.820
And this is an addition to
the materials that are posted
04:23:47.820 --> 04:23:52.820
at the CPAC docket card, as
well as for the working groups,
04:23:53.200 --> 04:23:58.200
which will be
posted@pda.energydataweb.com,
04:23:58.850 --> 04:24:02.653
the Energy Divisions, public
document accents website.
04:24:07.890 --> 04:24:09.450
And before I go to the next slide,
04:24:09.450 --> 04:24:11.320
I wanted to pass it
over to Allison Labonte
04:24:11.320 --> 04:24:12.370
from Energy Division.
04:24:13.530 --> 04:24:15.667
Yeah, thank you, Kapil.
04:24:15.667 --> 04:24:19.850
And I wanna thank chairman
Delgado also for recognizing
04:24:19.850 --> 04:24:22.470
the effort from Energy Division.
04:24:22.470 --> 04:24:25.320
I wanted to share that since
the last low-income oversight
04:24:25.320 --> 04:24:28.500
Board meeting, we've certainly
appreciated the concerns
04:24:28.500 --> 04:24:32.080
of the stakeholder and had
many follow-up conversations
04:24:32.080 --> 04:24:34.950
with folks individually
flying after words.
04:24:34.950 --> 04:24:38.640
And this allowed us to really
understand the perspective
04:24:38.640 --> 04:24:41.990
and concern and challenges
from the contractor community,
04:24:41.990 --> 04:24:46.039
especially which then led to
our being able to ask the right
04:24:46.039 --> 04:24:48.900
questions, bring the IOUs to the table.
04:24:48.900 --> 04:24:51.880
Data requests the IOUs
have individual conversations
04:24:51.880 --> 04:24:55.280
with them, have joint
conversations with them on things
04:24:55.280 --> 04:24:57.830
such as focusing on they're bringing,
04:24:57.830 --> 04:25:01.980
being upfront and the
communication to ESA contractor,
04:25:01.980 --> 04:25:06.045
existing contractor
community on what is to come,
04:25:06.045 --> 04:25:10.460
and that allowing for
the contractors to be able
04:25:10.460 --> 04:25:14.398
to plan for and make it shifts
to what this new decision
04:25:14.398 --> 04:25:16.133
has in store.
04:25:17.100 --> 04:25:22.100
We've also made sure that
we're aware of the timing of these
04:25:22.270 --> 04:25:25.140
solicitations, asking
questions about how the IOUs
04:25:25.140 --> 04:25:28.700
can better stagger
separate the timeframes
04:25:28.700 --> 04:25:32.350
of those solicitations
and be transparent
04:25:32.350 --> 04:25:33.460
on those timelines.
04:25:33.460 --> 04:25:38.460
And furthermore, like
the given that the bidding
04:25:39.220 --> 04:25:42.370
for solicitation or in
response to solution stations
04:25:42.370 --> 04:25:44.930
is new to the contractor community,
04:25:44.930 --> 04:25:48.420
leveraging what we already
know from challenges to bidder
04:25:48.420 --> 04:25:51.650
community on the ease of
market rate solicitation process,
04:25:51.650 --> 04:25:55.840
to dig in to what are the
terms and conditions that will be
04:25:55.840 --> 04:25:59.950
the starting point for
negotiations between the IOUs
04:25:59.950 --> 04:26:01.440
and the bidder community.
04:26:01.440 --> 04:26:05.430
So all this is to say
that we're excited about
04:26:05.430 --> 04:26:08.210
what the decision has
as far as the shift to being
04:26:08.210 --> 04:26:11.840
a customer centric centric
approach with deeper energy
04:26:11.840 --> 04:26:14.150
savings, these pilots,
the working groups,
04:26:14.150 --> 04:26:17.640
all the flexibility that's out
there for new and good things
04:26:17.640 --> 04:26:20.770
to come for the customer
that we don't want the bidder
04:26:20.770 --> 04:26:25.770
community to be confused or challenged.
04:26:26.360 --> 04:26:28.670
And we want the bidder
community to be able to put your best
04:26:28.670 --> 04:26:32.790
foot forward, and so
for that, in that light,
04:26:32.790 --> 04:26:36.500
we will continue to be
putting the IOUs to the task
04:26:36.500 --> 04:26:39.150
of communicating transparently.
04:26:39.150 --> 04:26:43.550
I think Benito shared
earlier that the timeline
04:26:43.550 --> 04:26:45.500
with all the solicitations in one place
04:26:46.402 --> 04:26:47.235
with more granularity,
04:26:48.340 --> 04:26:49.173
that is something
certainly we will follow up
04:26:50.343 --> 04:26:51.176
to make happen.
04:26:51.176 --> 04:26:56.176
And also, we've already seen
that we're putting other things
04:26:56.425 --> 04:26:57.890
in place with the IOUs,
04:26:57.890 --> 04:27:00.380
who've worked with them to
have things like in networking,
04:27:00.380 --> 04:27:05.350
partnering opportunity
for bidders, and then there,
04:27:05.350 --> 04:27:08.150
but we're going to be
continuing to ask IOUs
04:27:08.150 --> 04:27:11.490
in their bidder workshops
before the RFP is released
04:27:11.490 --> 04:27:14.560
please be very, very clear
about what the contract
04:27:14.560 --> 04:27:17.320
negotiation process is gonna look like.
04:27:17.320 --> 04:27:20.010
Don't wait until you get around
to the contract negotiation
04:27:20.010 --> 04:27:22.050
phase, that should
be shared right up front
04:27:22.050 --> 04:27:25.580
in the bidder workshop
before a single bidder even puts
04:27:25.580 --> 04:27:27.900
the pen to trying to respond to a bid,
04:27:27.900 --> 04:27:30.310
to know what the
whole process looks like.
04:27:30.310 --> 04:27:34.730
And to know, not have to
play a guessing game around,
04:27:34.730 --> 04:27:37.020
what's gonna be
potentially negotiable terms
04:27:37.020 --> 04:27:41.573
that they could better be
able to figure out their pricing
04:27:41.573 --> 04:27:44.580
and the costs that they
should really expect
04:27:44.580 --> 04:27:46.513
going into preparing that bid.
04:27:47.420 --> 04:27:50.170
So thank you again
to the stakeholders for,
04:27:50.170 --> 04:27:53.350
and your contractor community
for sharing the concerns,
04:27:53.350 --> 04:27:56.190
and we'll continue
to be monitoring this.
04:27:56.190 --> 04:27:59.870
And we also appreciate
the IOUs that have taken
04:27:59.870 --> 04:28:01.900
from the hard questions
that we've been asking since
04:28:01.900 --> 04:28:06.310
the last LIOB meeting
and put their foot forward
04:28:06.310 --> 04:28:11.310
to shift and getting clear communication
04:28:11.704 --> 04:28:13.823
to the contractors early.
04:28:16.550 --> 04:28:19.537
So back to you Kapil or to
the Board for questions on this,
04:28:19.537 --> 04:28:22.423
ESA the segment before we
go to summer reliability topic.
04:28:30.762 --> 04:28:34.350
Probably have time for
one or clue quick questions
04:28:34.350 --> 04:28:36.200
or comments from members of the Board
04:28:37.265 --> 04:28:39.533
while we go to the
summer reliability overview.
04:28:40.430 --> 04:28:41.810
Hello, Mr. Chair.
04:28:41.810 --> 04:28:42.740
Yes.
04:28:42.740 --> 04:28:47.740
Yeah, first of all,
I'd like to comment,
04:28:47.790 --> 04:28:51.450
I think what Commissioner
Shiroma brought forward was CSD
04:28:52.968 --> 04:28:55.700
was brilliant because I think
that CSD runs a multifamily
04:28:55.700 --> 04:28:59.710
program, low income
specifically with a live with funding
04:28:59.710 --> 04:29:02.950
that they've been receiving there,
04:29:02.950 --> 04:29:05.360
certainly more dollars
going into that program.
04:29:05.360 --> 04:29:08.830
CSD has the experience
over three to five years
04:29:08.830 --> 04:29:10.920
of engineering procurement process,
04:29:10.920 --> 04:29:14.170
it's been very thorough
and extremely effective
04:29:14.170 --> 04:29:16.890
with a program that's
functioning at a very high level.
04:29:16.890 --> 04:29:19.620
So I think that their engagement,
04:29:19.620 --> 04:29:22.340
with the PRG would make
a lot of sense and it helps
04:29:22.340 --> 04:29:26.630
the process and it balances
what I think is the demographics
04:29:26.630 --> 04:29:28.423
in connection with the makeup.
04:29:29.850 --> 04:29:31.610
And I know that we're
asking a lot of Jason,
04:29:31.610 --> 04:29:33.390
but he's got very talented staff.
04:29:33.390 --> 04:29:37.090
Maybe he could assign
someone to do that.
04:29:37.090 --> 04:29:40.400
So again, I just wanted
to endorse the concept
04:29:40.400 --> 04:29:42.340
and the idea of brought
forward by the Commissioner.
04:29:42.340 --> 04:29:44.530
I think it's brilliant.
04:29:44.530 --> 04:29:47.110
The second question I
have as a point of clarification
04:29:47.110 --> 04:29:50.046
is my understanding
that carry over funds,
04:29:50.046 --> 04:29:54.640
simply they just don't exist.
04:29:54.640 --> 04:29:58.160
In other words, that
monies dollars are allocated
04:29:58.160 --> 04:29:59.850
given a specific fiscal year.
04:29:59.850 --> 04:30:02.910
They're not carried over to
the subsequent fiscal year.
04:30:02.910 --> 04:30:07.910
So if that sort of assumption
on my part is correct.
04:30:07.980 --> 04:30:12.870
I want to ask a question
in connection with funding
04:30:12.870 --> 04:30:16.986
for the deep energy
savings pilot programs
04:30:16.986 --> 04:30:21.690
that are slated for fiscal
2022 from pillar to post.
04:30:23.220 --> 04:30:26.720
If we, and again, the assumption
is that we dedicate money
04:30:26.720 --> 04:30:31.340
out of the 2022 ESA budget
for these energy saving pilot
04:30:31.340 --> 04:30:33.818
programs to be implemented.
04:30:33.818 --> 04:30:37.240
If we don't complete
that process in 2022,
04:30:37.240 --> 04:30:41.520
but yet we assigned dollars
that we take out of the program
04:30:41.520 --> 04:30:46.520
or the pilots, and we don't
execute the pilots in 2022,
04:30:46.640 --> 04:30:50.733
are those dollars loss for 2023.
04:30:53.369 --> 04:30:57.390
'Cause it's my understanding
that what utilities will do
04:30:57.390 --> 04:31:02.390
is stop collecting the charge
that funds the program.
04:31:03.000 --> 04:31:08.000
So it in essence eliminates
the carry over and okay,
04:31:08.090 --> 04:31:11.410
I get that, but if we don't
spend the money in 2022
04:31:11.410 --> 04:31:16.410
on the pilots, are those 2022
dollars lost to the program?
04:31:16.860 --> 04:31:17.910
Does that make sense?
04:31:19.740 --> 04:31:23.330
Yes, thank you, Board
member Castaneda,
04:31:23.330 --> 04:31:25.860
Kapil Kulkarni, Energy
Division for both the pilots,
04:31:25.860 --> 04:31:27.220
as well as the other programs,
04:31:27.220 --> 04:31:30.680
if the funds aren't committed,
04:31:30.680 --> 04:31:33.040
or if they aren't spent in 2022,
04:31:33.040 --> 04:31:36.490
or they're not committed
to a particular project,
04:31:36.490 --> 04:31:41.490
then any uncommitted,
unspent funds are kind of lost.
04:31:41.900 --> 04:31:44.950
And they're used to offset
collections for the following
04:31:44.950 --> 04:31:48.020
year, so that utility either
asked to spend the money,
04:31:48.020 --> 04:31:51.880
in which case, we want them
to achieve the various goals
04:31:51.880 --> 04:31:54.590
for each of the programs
and able to spend the funds
04:31:54.590 --> 04:31:56.500
that we've allocated for them,
04:31:56.500 --> 04:32:00.880
or commit the funds to a
project for the next year.
04:32:00.880 --> 04:32:03.340
Right, because again,
my concern is the fellers
04:32:03.340 --> 04:32:06.850
are lost to the community
and we want to do everything
04:32:06.850 --> 04:32:08.200
in our power to avoid that.
04:32:08.200 --> 04:32:11.260
So I think what that means
is that we're gonna have
04:32:11.260 --> 04:32:14.580
to really keep our eye on
the ball that these timelines
04:32:14.580 --> 04:32:19.580
are executed that no one
within the fulfillment stage
04:32:20.560 --> 04:32:22.210
of what we're doing
with the pilots and other
04:32:22.210 --> 04:32:25.540
set of programs drag
their feet, for example,
04:32:25.540 --> 04:32:27.640
the same thing could
be said for measures,
04:32:28.850 --> 04:32:30.720
for the sake of arguments,
take a pull pump.
04:32:30.720 --> 04:32:32.960
If you're going to do
10,000 procurements,
04:32:32.960 --> 04:32:36.990
you assign that number of
dollars in terms of the ESA 2022
04:32:36.990 --> 04:32:39.080
budget for those pole pumps.
04:32:39.080 --> 04:32:41.010
The reality is for whatever reason
04:32:41.010 --> 04:32:42.620
could be supply chain issues,
04:32:42.620 --> 04:32:46.180
it could be other sorts of
issues with actually implementing
04:32:46.180 --> 04:32:49.100
contracts around acceptable timeline.
04:32:49.100 --> 04:32:53.510
If it's not done by the conclusion
of December 31st, 2022,
04:32:53.510 --> 04:32:56.400
the dollars are lost to the
program or to the community.
04:32:56.400 --> 04:32:59.670
So I think it's really important
for us given these new
04:32:59.670 --> 04:33:01.920
rules and guidelines that we have,
04:33:01.920 --> 04:33:04.910
that we're on point with
kind of managing that money
04:33:04.910 --> 04:33:08.600
and managing the process in
the sense that we have actual
04:33:08.600 --> 04:33:13.600
actual spend dollars during
that affected fiscal year.
04:33:20.420 --> 04:33:21.843
I mean, would you agree or?
04:33:24.050 --> 04:33:24.970
I completely agree.
04:33:24.970 --> 04:33:29.150
And I believe, that the
responsibility of overseeing
04:33:30.070 --> 04:33:35.070
the budgets and making
sure the funds are being spent
04:33:35.770 --> 04:33:37.290
not only falls to the Energy Division,
04:33:37.290 --> 04:33:39.730
but also to the ESA working group.
04:33:39.730 --> 04:33:42.950
So that will be something
that the working group will
04:33:42.950 --> 04:33:45.853
consider in their work.
04:33:46.920 --> 04:33:47.890
Thank you,
04:33:47.890 --> 04:33:48.723
Okay.
04:33:51.190 --> 04:33:54.620
Robert, thank you for
giving me credit on CSP,
04:33:54.620 --> 04:33:59.620
but it was on the Anna
Solotio in the chat who first
04:33:59.860 --> 04:34:04.860
suggested we energy and
CSDs participation, but thank you.
04:34:07.080 --> 04:34:10.109
And then one we'll
remember where.
04:34:10.109 --> 04:34:12.890
You're brilliant anyway.
04:34:12.890 --> 04:34:16.650
Right, so I just wanted
to say that I totally agree
04:34:16.650 --> 04:34:18.903
with the recommendation and so Kapil,
04:34:19.790 --> 04:34:21.627
let's talk offline so I can
better understand that,
04:34:21.627 --> 04:34:24.330
get a better understanding
of the commitment,
04:34:24.330 --> 04:34:27.787
and then we can see how we can assess.
04:34:31.600 --> 04:34:32.433
Sounds great.
04:34:33.752 --> 04:34:34.585
Okay.
04:34:34.585 --> 04:34:37.600
So Board members we're
gonna have to call it there
04:34:37.600 --> 04:34:42.460
for this item, our speaker
for item 10 as a hard stop
04:34:42.460 --> 04:34:44.470
at four o'clock.
04:34:44.470 --> 04:34:47.110
So I want to make sure that
it has been waiting patiently.
04:34:47.110 --> 04:34:51.470
So I want to make sure that
we allow them the opportunity,
04:34:51.470 --> 04:34:53.230
but Kapil and Alison,
04:34:53.230 --> 04:34:57.040
and tell your colleagues
just thank you very much
04:34:57.040 --> 04:35:00.710
as always and Commissioner, sorry,
04:35:00.710 --> 04:35:02.407
did you have one last comment?
04:35:03.380 --> 04:35:06.000
Well, sort of reliability,
04:35:06.000 --> 04:35:08.913
two key things there as the next slide,
04:35:08.913 --> 04:35:12.830
it's a smart thermostat
rebate program included
04:35:13.706 --> 04:35:18.706
in the ESA effort and
the automatic enrollment
04:35:21.486 --> 04:35:26.486
where if CARE customers
lower their kilowatt hour usage
04:35:29.130 --> 04:35:34.130
during that peak, anyway,
they will get a financial benefit
04:35:36.640 --> 04:35:41.640
to that, so kudos to Alison
and Kapil were including
04:35:42.520 --> 04:35:45.677
this for summer
reliability that ended day,
04:35:45.677 --> 04:35:49.630
and it could help our CARE
customers financially again,
04:35:49.630 --> 04:35:54.630
through this, well,
if I've got this right,
04:35:55.330 --> 04:35:58.320
could be all the emergency
load reduction program ELRP,
04:35:59.567 --> 04:36:04.567
automatic enrollment and
a potential financial benefit.
04:36:06.500 --> 04:36:07.700
Right, and apologies.
04:36:07.700 --> 04:36:11.670
I did forget there were a
few slides left, perhaps.
04:36:11.670 --> 04:36:14.962
I know we're planning
a committee meetings,
04:36:14.962 --> 04:36:17.399
joint committee meeting
the week of the 10th.
04:36:17.399 --> 04:36:19.652
I want to say it'll
likely be a next month.
04:36:19.652 --> 04:36:22.550
So feel if agreeable, perhaps
you can provide an overview
04:36:22.550 --> 04:36:24.223
of this at that time.
04:36:26.740 --> 04:36:27.870
Yap.
04:36:27.870 --> 04:36:29.930
Okay, thank you for
the flexibility and sorry.
04:36:29.930 --> 04:36:31.060
We're so tight on time.
04:36:31.060 --> 04:36:33.320
That's just kind of become
a victim of presenting
04:36:33.320 --> 04:36:35.873
at the end of the day,
so I apologize for that.
04:36:37.050 --> 04:36:39.800
And with that Gillian,
04:36:39.800 --> 04:36:44.500
would you mind introducing
Roman and elevating him
04:36:44.500 --> 04:36:46.933
to panelists I think might actually?
04:36:48.410 --> 04:36:52.030
Yes, thank you,
Roman Partida-Lopez,
04:36:52.030 --> 04:36:55.290
of the Disadvantaged
Communities Advisory Group is here
04:36:55.290 --> 04:36:57.740
to provide a brief update.
04:36:57.740 --> 04:37:01.340
Roman, you should be able to
connect your audio and video,
04:37:01.340 --> 04:37:03.080
and I know you have limited time,
04:37:03.080 --> 04:37:04.830
so as much as you're able to share,
04:37:05.701 --> 04:37:08.501
and we can finish after you
have to step off, thank you.
04:37:10.520 --> 04:37:13.460
Thank you, Gillian, and
hello, Commissioner, chair,
04:37:13.460 --> 04:37:17.423
and LLB members, my
name is Roman Partida-Lopez.
04:37:19.111 --> 04:37:22.710
I'm vice chair of the
Disadvantaged Advisory Group.
04:37:22.710 --> 04:37:24.553
And I'm here to talk
to you a little bit about
04:37:24.553 --> 04:37:27.370
some of the priorities that
we have for this upcoming year
04:37:27.370 --> 04:37:31.321
and provide an update on some
of the work that we're looking
04:37:31.321 --> 04:37:33.730
forward to 2022 within
our advisory group,
04:37:33.730 --> 04:37:36.860
but as well as ways of
coordinating our efforts
04:37:36.860 --> 04:37:38.050
with the LIOB
04:37:38.050 --> 04:37:41.450
and the old tech, I do
have a hard stop at four,
04:37:41.450 --> 04:37:44.240
but I already messaged my
next meeting and I have a little
04:37:44.240 --> 04:37:46.840
bit of wiggle room, so
hopefully we'll be able to have
04:37:46.840 --> 04:37:49.310
a little bit of a conversation.
04:37:49.310 --> 04:37:50.530
So for those that are not familiar
04:37:50.530 --> 04:37:52.860
with the Disadvantaged Advisory Group,
04:37:52.860 --> 04:37:55.720
we're set up community
members have come together
04:37:55.720 --> 04:37:58.760
to provide guidance to the
public utilities Commission,
04:37:58.760 --> 04:38:02.300
as well as the energy Commission
on the various programs,
04:38:02.300 --> 04:38:07.020
proceedings, and others
related stuff on issues that impact
04:38:07.020 --> 04:38:10.650
disadvantaged communities
and helping create more benefits
04:38:10.650 --> 04:38:14.410
to our most impacted communities.
04:38:14.410 --> 04:38:16.720
As I said, I'm currently the vice chair.
04:38:16.720 --> 04:38:19.610
I represent San Diego, which
is down here in the border,
04:38:19.610 --> 04:38:20.810
is where I grew up.
04:38:20.810 --> 04:38:24.570
And in my day job, I work at
the Greenland Legal Council
04:38:24.570 --> 04:38:25.700
for Transportation Equity.
04:38:25.700 --> 04:38:29.240
So I believe it was last
week or the week before that,
04:38:29.240 --> 04:38:31.817
I'm losing track of time
with the end of the year here.
04:38:31.817 --> 04:38:35.650
But we came together as a
group to discuss our priority
04:38:35.650 --> 04:38:37.897
areas for this upcoming year.
04:38:37.897 --> 04:38:41.560
We've been having these
working groups for the last few
04:38:41.560 --> 04:38:44.393
years, but now shifting to
calling them priority areas.
04:38:44.393 --> 04:38:48.560
And these are areas where we
plan to engage both as a group,
04:38:48.560 --> 04:38:53.560
but then also as subgroups
to help provide again,
04:38:53.820 --> 04:38:55.853
feedback and engagement in.
04:38:57.048 --> 04:39:00.610
And this process was
informed by them by our charter,
04:39:00.610 --> 04:39:02.630
that we identified a
couple of years ago of areas
04:39:02.630 --> 04:39:04.360
that we want to focus in on,
04:39:04.360 --> 04:39:07.550
but then also as well
as our expertise that
04:39:07.550 --> 04:39:11.740
each of our members brings to
the group and also by guidance
04:39:11.740 --> 04:39:13.323
from the energy Commission
04:39:13.323 --> 04:39:14.156
and the public utilities Commission,
04:39:14.156 --> 04:39:16.810
they shared a document
of areas that overlap
04:39:16.810 --> 04:39:18.350
for the two agencies,
04:39:18.350 --> 04:39:22.460
but then also those that are
particular to each one of them.
04:39:22.460 --> 04:39:25.240
And we as a group
came together to discuss
04:39:25.240 --> 04:39:28.090
and prioritize which areas
we wanted to work on.
04:39:28.090 --> 04:39:30.430
So for this upcoming year
where we were focusing
04:39:30.430 --> 04:39:33.230
in on 10 areas,
transportation, electrification,
04:39:33.230 --> 04:39:35.400
building decarb and electrification,
04:39:35.400 --> 04:39:38.200
workforce training and
development, reliability,
04:39:38.200 --> 04:39:41.880
gas transition, distributed,
energy resources, epic,
04:39:41.880 --> 04:39:45.030
hyper, affordability and customer urges
04:39:45.030 --> 04:39:46.443
and community engagement.
04:39:47.400 --> 04:39:50.070
And part of the reason why
I'm here is that just to share
04:39:50.070 --> 04:39:52.170
that what our priority areas are,
04:39:52.170 --> 04:39:54.240
'cause there was definitely
there's areas of overlap,
04:39:54.240 --> 04:39:55.430
but also share with you all,
04:39:55.430 --> 04:39:57.530
some of the work that
we've been doing to,
04:39:57.530 --> 04:40:00.420
because there is overlap of
ways we're trying to really work
04:40:00.420 --> 04:40:04.020
together because we all
CARE a lot about the work
04:40:04.020 --> 04:40:04.853
that we do.
04:40:04.853 --> 04:40:08.293
Obviously the bringing in more
benefits and more equitable
04:40:08.293 --> 04:40:10.550
outcomes to our most
impacted communities.
04:40:10.550 --> 04:40:13.310
And because of that, the LIOB,
04:40:13.310 --> 04:40:16.616
as well as the day CAG and the old tech
04:40:16.616 --> 04:40:19.890
had been some meetings
these last few months
04:40:19.890 --> 04:40:23.034
to try to identify opportunity
where we can collaborate
04:40:23.034 --> 04:40:26.589
and really address issues
that overlap between
04:40:26.589 --> 04:40:28.420
all of our organizations.
04:40:28.420 --> 04:40:32.090
And so we had a meeting
about earlier this week
04:40:32.090 --> 04:40:34.620
to kind of continue that discussion
04:40:34.620 --> 04:40:36.210
and really try to collaborate.
04:40:36.210 --> 04:40:39.691
And we identified a couple
opportunities where we see some
04:40:39.691 --> 04:40:43.408
overlap and those are around
affordability and customer
04:40:43.408 --> 04:40:47.710
origin, community
engagement, and reliability.
04:40:47.710 --> 04:40:50.010
And so for now we
identified those three,
04:40:50.010 --> 04:40:52.840
this upcoming year, we
plan to continue to meet,
04:40:52.840 --> 04:40:55.940
but really start honing in
on ways and opportunities
04:40:55.940 --> 04:41:00.859
that might come up
to help align either be,
04:41:00.859 --> 04:41:03.980
just align ourselves
on how we're advocate
04:41:03.980 --> 04:41:07.270
or how are we talking to our
agencies that we're working
04:41:07.270 --> 04:41:09.920
with to help advance
some of this work forward.
04:41:09.920 --> 04:41:12.330
So with that, I'll stop to
see if there's any comments
04:41:12.330 --> 04:41:14.413
or questions from the group.
04:41:17.710 --> 04:41:19.970
Thank you, Roman,
for the overview.
04:41:19.970 --> 04:41:22.350
And also thanks to the
Commissioner for convening
04:41:22.350 --> 04:41:26.600
our three Boards to begin with it.
04:41:26.600 --> 04:41:28.730
It's been fun already,
just starting to convene
04:41:28.730 --> 04:41:30.800
and coordinate and plan for 2022.
04:41:30.800 --> 04:41:33.100
And I know our vice chair,
04:41:33.100 --> 04:41:36.460
Maria has been very
involved in that as well,
04:41:36.460 --> 04:41:39.550
as well as the other
leadership and other Boards.
04:41:39.550 --> 04:41:42.363
Commissioner, did you want
to say anything off the bat?
04:41:47.960 --> 04:41:52.380
Many organizations we
talk about breaking down silos
04:41:52.380 --> 04:41:55.000
and it's partly, it's hard to do,
04:41:55.000 --> 04:41:59.360
here with the three advisory
groups that are all geared
04:41:59.360 --> 04:42:03.420
towards low income and
disadvantaged communities.
04:42:03.420 --> 04:42:08.160
It's by having the leadership,
talking to each other,
04:42:08.160 --> 04:42:13.160
I think some real good synergies
are opportunities to share
04:42:17.680 --> 04:42:20.060
knowledge, share experiences.
04:42:20.060 --> 04:42:23.570
So I'm just pretty pleased
that folks have been willing
04:42:23.570 --> 04:42:26.750
to take a little more extra
time because everyone
04:42:26.750 --> 04:42:31.750
has day jobs, so you all have
day jobs and you take a less,
04:42:32.800 --> 04:42:37.740
your time to spend
with us is just invaluable.
04:42:37.740 --> 04:42:39.690
Thank you everyone for attending today.
04:42:44.190 --> 04:42:45.493
Echo those comments,
04:42:46.500 --> 04:42:49.570
other comments from
members of the Board.
04:42:49.570 --> 04:42:52.910
Yes that's just, this is
Board member Medina,
04:42:52.910 --> 04:42:55.270
thank you, Mr. Partina-Lopez.
04:42:55.270 --> 04:43:00.270
So I bet you had to take in a
bit of our meeting and seeing
04:43:00.760 --> 04:43:04.757
what we're dealing with
and the concerns we have.
04:43:04.757 --> 04:43:08.722
I wonder if there was any
thing that you thought that,
04:43:08.722 --> 04:43:10.840
dealing with disadvantaged communities,
04:43:10.840 --> 04:43:13.590
or you thought that we
should probably look at more,
04:43:13.590 --> 04:43:18.590
or that you think we're hitting
the nail on the head that,
04:43:18.610 --> 04:43:21.730
because that's one thing
that we are striving to all of us
04:43:21.730 --> 04:43:23.980
understand here from
the different committees
04:43:24.903 --> 04:43:27.478
and then from the IOU and
from the work of the CPUC
04:43:27.478 --> 04:43:31.960
and ourselves, how exactly
do we make it effective work?
04:43:35.470 --> 04:43:37.850
Yeah, no, that's
a great question.
04:43:37.850 --> 04:43:40.290
And one of that we're
gonna work to figure out,
04:43:40.290 --> 04:43:42.060
I think there's definitely
opportunity does.
04:43:42.060 --> 04:43:45.570
I mentioned those three
topic areas around reliability,
04:43:45.570 --> 04:43:48.183
community engagement
and affordability and customer
04:43:48.183 --> 04:43:51.050
reaches, I think are
opportunities where there's overlap
04:43:52.060 --> 04:43:54.560
work that you all are doing
that where we're gonna be
04:43:54.560 --> 04:43:57.290
engaging on and we've been engaging on,
04:43:57.290 --> 04:43:59.540
but how do we take
that to the next step?
04:43:59.540 --> 04:44:03.570
I think Benito and Maria have
been providing good insights
04:44:03.570 --> 04:44:05.830
as to the areas that
you all are working on
04:44:05.830 --> 04:44:07.777
and how you're addressing
some of those issues.
04:44:07.777 --> 04:44:09.450
But we've only met a couple of times,
04:44:09.450 --> 04:44:11.110
I think it's twice or
maybe three times now.
04:44:11.110 --> 04:44:14.250
So we haven't gotten into the weeds yet,
04:44:14.250 --> 04:44:16.230
but I think with now
identifying these opportunities,
04:44:16.230 --> 04:44:18.740
we'll be able to get into the
weeds and start addressing
04:44:18.740 --> 04:44:20.683
the question that you asked, right?
04:44:20.683 --> 04:44:22.488
Like, what are some
of the things that you all
04:44:22.488 --> 04:44:24.955
are working on or doing,
or like, could be worked on,
04:44:24.955 --> 04:44:26.370
we're not gonna provide
that guidance for you all,
04:44:26.370 --> 04:44:28.700
that's the decision
y'all make, but again,
04:44:28.700 --> 04:44:31.170
where are those areas
for that we do overlap, right.
04:44:31.170 --> 04:44:32.640
And we can build on each other's work.
04:44:32.640 --> 04:44:35.590
And I think just thinking about
community engagement, right?
04:44:35.590 --> 04:44:38.140
That's always been an
issue that comes up anywhere
04:44:38.140 --> 04:44:40.410
and all our agency, all
the agencies that we work
04:44:40.410 --> 04:44:42.630
in and the work that we
probably do during the day,
04:44:42.630 --> 04:44:45.780
and how do we better
align and help ensure
04:44:45.780 --> 04:44:48.120
that we're providing as
many benefits as possible
04:44:48.120 --> 04:44:48.953
at the same time.
04:44:48.953 --> 04:44:51.117
So more to come on that.
04:44:51.117 --> 04:44:53.790
And I think that's why we're
really excited to come today
04:44:53.790 --> 04:44:56.758
and present and really look
forward to what's to come next
04:44:56.758 --> 04:45:00.143
year, where we could really
start aligning our efforts.
04:45:03.490 --> 04:45:06.730
Thank you Roman,
and any other comments
04:45:06.730 --> 04:45:08.897
or questions members of the Board?
04:45:10.489 --> 04:45:13.573
Yeah, Mr. Chair, I
have sort of a comment.
04:45:14.480 --> 04:45:17.950
Roman, I don't know if
you've been following,
04:45:17.950 --> 04:45:20.080
but there's a proceeding that's,
04:45:20.080 --> 04:45:23.030
that's moving ahead in
connection with net energy metering.
04:45:23.960 --> 04:45:26.540
And I haven't really, as you say,
04:45:26.540 --> 04:45:28.710
dug into the weeds here, but one of the,
04:45:28.710 --> 04:45:31.200
there's two things that
kind of jump off the page.
04:45:31.200 --> 04:45:34.620
One is the argument by utilities,
04:45:34.620 --> 04:45:38.120
as well as other advocates
for change reform within
04:45:38.120 --> 04:45:43.120
any all sort of circle around
low income communities,
04:45:44.120 --> 04:45:48.480
and what are the things that I
see when you see numbers like
04:45:48.480 --> 04:45:51.610
a three bucks, a $3 billion
estimate in terms of shift
04:45:51.610 --> 04:45:56.250
of funding, potentially
low-income people pay,
04:45:56.250 --> 04:46:00.640
to support rooftop solar in this state.
04:46:00.640 --> 04:46:02.580
It kind of begs a lot of questions,
04:46:02.580 --> 04:46:05.040
but this is where I'm coming from.
04:46:05.040 --> 04:46:08.550
In the end, the proceeding,
at least at this point
04:46:08.550 --> 04:46:12.800
is discussing an evolution fund.
04:46:12.800 --> 04:46:16.920
And I think if the low-income
community can literally
04:46:16.920 --> 04:46:20.180
be used as a poster child for change,
04:46:20.180 --> 04:46:22.310
I would like to see in
terms of the fulfillment
04:46:22.310 --> 04:46:25.970
of the proceeding, the
low-income community truly benefit
04:46:25.970 --> 04:46:27.530
from the changes that are coming.
04:46:27.530 --> 04:46:29.890
And there's a lot of
ways that can happen.
04:46:29.890 --> 04:46:32.150
But when you're
talking about $3 billion,
04:46:32.150 --> 04:46:35.120
and we're talking about
affordability in terms of escalating
04:46:35.120 --> 04:46:39.556
rates and climate impacts
that caused the usage to go up,
04:46:39.556 --> 04:46:42.440
there has to be a way
to mitigate those impacts
04:46:42.440 --> 04:46:46.330
to the communities that we
serve based on this evolution
04:46:46.330 --> 04:46:48.900
fund that would be created.
04:46:48.900 --> 04:46:51.920
So I think that that's something
that our two respective
04:46:51.920 --> 04:46:55.550
bodies could work on in
terms of providing comment
04:46:55.550 --> 04:46:57.300
and input to the Commission.
04:46:57.300 --> 04:46:59.250
And I just wanted to offer that to you.
04:47:00.970 --> 04:47:02.720
Yeah, thank
you for that insight.
04:47:05.540 --> 04:47:06.790
this has been flagged for us,
04:47:06.790 --> 04:47:11.790
and I think some of our
advisory members are active
04:47:12.070 --> 04:47:16.970
on a proceeding, but as
a group, I think one that,
04:47:16.970 --> 04:47:20.250
Commissioner Guzman who,
as you all probably noticed
04:47:20.250 --> 04:47:21.950
in the alarm should be moving on,
04:47:21.950 --> 04:47:23.450
has raised this in the past with us.
04:47:23.450 --> 04:47:26.130
And I think we'll be picking
this up this upcoming year
04:47:26.130 --> 04:47:29.300
as well, but again, going
back to my initial comment
04:47:29.300 --> 04:47:31.810
in that, I think what our
goal will be to try to align
04:47:31.810 --> 04:47:35.560
that to your point here,
and how do we take,
04:47:35.560 --> 04:47:38.445
the expertise that you all
bring to the space, right?
04:47:38.445 --> 04:47:40.770
And elevate comments like yours
04:47:40.770 --> 04:47:42.870
and have a discussion
amongst our groups,
04:47:42.870 --> 04:47:46.910
our respective Boards,
and really push that forward.
04:47:46.910 --> 04:47:49.860
So we make sure that our low
income communities are the ones
04:47:49.860 --> 04:47:52.190
that are truly benefiting
from any of the changes
04:47:52.190 --> 04:47:53.390
that are coming forward.
04:47:54.410 --> 04:47:58.610
Thank you, Board member
Wimbley was your hand still up
04:48:03.003 --> 04:48:04.530
or is that from the last item?
04:48:04.530 --> 04:48:07.040
Okay, terrific, well, Roman,
I know you have to go
04:48:07.040 --> 04:48:08.613
to I know you have to go
to another meeting anyway,
04:48:09.725 --> 04:48:11.109
but just thank you again.
04:48:11.109 --> 04:48:14.000
I know at our last convening, we talked,
04:48:14.000 --> 04:48:18.350
I think about reliability
affordability and rearranges
04:48:18.350 --> 04:48:21.220
and community engagement
is three initial places
04:48:21.220 --> 04:48:23.810
where we can probably
start to work together
04:48:23.810 --> 04:48:26.670
and brainstorm ideas early next year.
04:48:26.670 --> 04:48:28.360
So we all look forward to it.
04:48:28.360 --> 04:48:31.210
And just thanks again
for carving out the time.
04:48:31.210 --> 04:48:33.958
Yeah, thank you for your
time, really appreciate it.
04:48:33.958 --> 04:48:35.170
And really look forward
04:48:36.157 --> 04:48:38.393
to a collaborative 2022, happy holidays.
04:48:40.070 --> 04:48:45.070
Okay, no, we're
a little behind,
04:48:45.100 --> 04:48:48.400
but I think the last few items
would be relatively quick.
04:48:48.400 --> 04:48:51.049
First of the remaining items, item nine,
04:48:51.049 --> 04:48:55.940
we were coordination
report on LIHEAP and CAPP.
04:48:55.940 --> 04:48:57.942
So Jason I'll pass it to you to see
04:48:57.942 --> 04:48:59.390
if there are any updates.
04:48:59.390 --> 04:49:04.390
Right, yes, so see it
on the CAPP front CSDs
04:49:05.400 --> 04:49:08.743
implementation of CAPP is still ongoing,
04:49:09.820 --> 04:49:11.580
for those of you that don't know,
04:49:11.580 --> 04:49:14.600
CAPP is the $1 billion
program that offers financial
04:49:14.600 --> 04:49:17.723
assistance, but for California
energy utility customers,
04:49:17.723 --> 04:49:21.240
that help reduce passive
energy bills that were accrued
04:49:21.240 --> 04:49:23.700
during the camp
pandemic, a relief period,
04:49:23.700 --> 04:49:26.517
starting March 4th,
2020 through June 20,
04:49:26.517 --> 04:49:29.333
I mean, June 15th, 2021.
04:49:30.461 --> 04:49:33.077
And my last report in September
are pointed out that CSD
04:49:33.077 --> 04:49:37.180
was in the process of completing
a survey of state energy
04:49:37.180 --> 04:49:40.670
utility companies to formulate
a complete picture of utility
04:49:40.670 --> 04:49:43.740
arrearages accrued during
the pandemic relief period.
04:49:43.740 --> 04:49:45.240
And then to use that information,
04:49:45.240 --> 04:49:48.380
to determine the CAPP fund distribution,
04:49:48.380 --> 04:49:50.403
to state energy utility companies.
04:49:51.641 --> 04:49:53.693
So out of the $1 billion,
04:49:53.693 --> 04:49:57.260
there's basically
two utility allocations,
04:49:57.260 --> 04:50:02.260
694.9 million that's devoted
to investor owned utility
04:50:02.570 --> 04:50:06.240
companies and 298.5 million,
04:50:06.240 --> 04:50:10.290
that's allocated to
public utility companies
04:50:10.290 --> 04:50:11.723
and electric cooperatives.
04:50:12.976 --> 04:50:15.207
So building, if you could display
04:50:15.207 --> 04:50:17.677
that allocation spreadsheet
of where we are appreciated
04:50:17.677 --> 04:50:18.993
has that being displayed.
04:50:21.680 --> 04:50:24.860
But yes, we're working
to get it displayed a little bit
04:50:24.860 --> 04:50:25.953
larger for this state.
04:50:25.953 --> 04:50:29.470
Okay, I appreciate
it, so I'll continue on.
04:50:29.470 --> 04:50:32.623
So the spreadsheet that
I'm referring to gives you
04:50:32.623 --> 04:50:36.178
a kind of an idea on each
utilities allocation share
04:50:36.178 --> 04:50:38.230
of CAPP funds.
04:50:38.230 --> 04:50:42.770
So on November 8th, we initiated
the CAPP application phase,
04:50:42.770 --> 04:50:46.572
which basically marks
the period where can apply
04:50:46.572 --> 04:50:50.060
for their CAPP allocation.
04:50:50.060 --> 04:50:54.310
Thus far, we have received
and approved seven utility CAPP
04:50:54.310 --> 04:50:57.369
applications totaling 229 million.
04:50:57.369 --> 04:51:02.369
They're mostly from
public utilities and municipal
04:51:03.030 --> 04:51:06.142
utilities, namely sweat and
lad that we peer to larger
04:51:06.142 --> 04:51:09.922
utility smart receive 41.3
million and LEDWP 202.7 million.
04:51:09.922 --> 04:51:14.922
So those are quite large
disbursements to those utilities.
04:51:16.949 --> 04:51:20.720
We also have 11 pending applications,
04:51:20.720 --> 04:51:22.320
which are currently under review.
04:51:22.320 --> 04:51:26.730
That includes two submissions
from two of the smaller IOUs
04:51:27.715 --> 04:51:29.620
PacifiCorp and Liberty,
04:51:29.620 --> 04:51:32.730
which I think were the common
term them are smudgies.
04:51:32.730 --> 04:51:36.490
And then we're still
awaiting applications
04:51:36.490 --> 04:51:39.530
from the remaining six
investor owned utility copies,
04:51:39.530 --> 04:51:42.910
including the larger IOU Edison,
04:51:42.910 --> 04:51:45.599
San Diego Gas and Electric,
the gas company, PG&E.
04:51:45.599 --> 04:51:49.079
I just wanted to acknowledge
that the CAPP application
04:51:49.079 --> 04:51:53.080
process for Edison STG
and the PGD is more involved
04:51:53.080 --> 04:51:56.510
due to the inclusions and
considerations for CCAs
04:51:56.510 --> 04:51:58.810
and electric load serving entities.
04:51:58.810 --> 04:52:02.000
That requires work that
requires IOU to coordinate
04:52:02.000 --> 04:52:04.690
and interact with these
entities to effectuate
04:52:04.690 --> 04:52:06.590
a proportional
distribution of CAPP funds
04:52:06.590 --> 04:52:09.380
against customer charges owing the IOU
04:52:09.380 --> 04:52:12.980
and those low electric
load serving entities.
04:52:12.980 --> 04:52:17.080
So we anticipate receiving the
remaining CAPP applications
04:52:17.080 --> 04:52:19.810
over the next several weeks.
04:52:19.810 --> 04:52:23.500
And this, as a reminder,
the CAPP application window
04:52:23.500 --> 04:52:27.050
is 60 days covering the
period of November 8th
04:52:27.050 --> 04:52:28.756
through January 7th.
04:52:28.756 --> 04:52:32.828
And according to government
code CSD must disperse
04:52:32.828 --> 04:52:37.828
all of the CAPP funds
by January 31st, 2022.
04:52:38.010 --> 04:52:41.250
So what's displayed here
are the CAPP allocation
04:52:41.250 --> 04:52:44.420
determinations for all the
utilities, but I think for now,
04:52:44.420 --> 04:52:47.500
we'll just focus on their investor home.
04:52:47.500 --> 04:52:51.750
And what you see here
across the top of the columns
04:52:51.750 --> 04:52:55.137
are priority arrearages,
project groups, one, two, three,
04:52:55.137 --> 04:53:00.137
and four, so prior to group
two represents residential
04:53:00.400 --> 04:53:05.400
customers that are passed
through and in government code,
04:53:06.070 --> 04:53:09.910
it requires that that
we prioritize benefits
04:53:09.910 --> 04:53:12.813
to those customer groups.
04:53:12.813 --> 04:53:16.410
So, when you look at the allocation,
04:53:16.410 --> 04:53:20.540
for example, for
Pacific Gas and Electric,
04:53:20.540 --> 04:53:23.260
we'll use them as an example.
04:53:23.260 --> 04:53:27.340
They didn't have any customers
that were in prior to group
04:53:27.340 --> 04:53:29.638
one, which are residential customers
04:53:29.638 --> 04:53:30.680
that are at risk of disconnection,
04:53:30.680 --> 04:53:34.030
but they do have a significant
number of customers
04:53:34.030 --> 04:53:38.060
that are residential customers
that have delinquent balances
04:53:38.060 --> 04:53:40.630
encouraged during the
pandemic relief period that fall
04:53:40.630 --> 04:53:42.220
into priority group two.
04:53:42.220 --> 04:53:44.700
So when you look at
their allocation amount,
04:53:44.700 --> 04:53:47.460
if you can scroll over
to the right to display
04:53:47.460 --> 04:53:51.490
that you would see that the 300 million,
04:53:51.490 --> 04:53:55.230
which they are basically, we
represent our CAPP allocation,
04:53:55.230 --> 04:53:59.090
we'll all go to customer
arrearages in priority group two.
04:53:59.090 --> 04:54:02.280
So it will not impact
arrearages in priority group
04:54:02.280 --> 04:54:03.900
three or four.
04:54:03.900 --> 04:54:08.900
And also the CAPP program
is not impacting arrearages
04:54:09.290 --> 04:54:12.720
that were accrued outside
of the pandemic relief period.
04:54:12.720 --> 04:54:16.637
So anything after June,
2022, there was again,
04:54:16.637 --> 04:54:21.290
arrearages that we're going
to have to rely on LIHEAP,
04:54:21.290 --> 04:54:24.570
AMP, and other programs to impact.
04:54:24.570 --> 04:54:28.860
So that's kind of where
the CAPP program stands
04:54:28.860 --> 04:54:29.693
at the moment.
04:54:31.260 --> 04:54:32.703
And as far as LIHEAP,
04:54:34.540 --> 04:54:38.031
there's not much to
report the other than that,
04:54:38.031 --> 04:54:40.350
the coordination of the
fund leveraging efforts
04:54:40.350 --> 04:54:44.480
with the IOUs is
essentially ceased as due
04:54:44.480 --> 04:54:48.410
to the fact that we were
unsuccessful to identify
04:54:48.410 --> 04:54:52.068
any projects where we could
make the fun leveraging work.
04:54:52.068 --> 04:54:55.407
There were many challenges
associated with that.
04:54:55.407 --> 04:54:59.360
Mainly the fact that the
requirements of the programs
04:54:59.360 --> 04:55:01.110
are different to leverage funds.
04:55:01.110 --> 04:55:06.110
It doesn't create additional
work property owners to access.
04:55:08.750 --> 04:55:11.788
And then also we were also
running up against the running
04:55:11.788 --> 04:55:15.146
out of time with the
current program cycle,
04:55:15.146 --> 04:55:19.710
which closes next June, 2022.
04:55:19.710 --> 04:55:22.120
The good news is that the
Governor's climate investment
04:55:22.120 --> 04:55:24.770
client commits another $65 million.
04:55:24.770 --> 04:55:26.860
So to ally with multi-family program.
04:55:26.860 --> 04:55:30.930
So the program will continue
similar to the Energy Division.
04:55:30.930 --> 04:55:33.670
We're actively working on issuing an RFP
04:55:33.670 --> 04:55:38.009
to facilitate the administration
of the multi-family program
04:55:38.009 --> 04:55:40.640
for another several years.
04:55:40.640 --> 04:55:43.220
And then as part of
that RFP development,
04:55:43.220 --> 04:55:47.370
we'll be resuming discussions
with the CPC Energy Division
04:55:47.370 --> 04:55:50.170
to explore ways to best
coordinate and leverage multi-family
04:55:50.170 --> 04:55:52.930
energy investments and
discuss lessons learned
04:55:52.930 --> 04:55:55.300
from the current multi-family
program coordination,
04:55:55.300 --> 04:55:57.630
leveraging efforts, and
figure out what we can do
04:55:57.630 --> 04:56:00.460
to kind of move the
needle in that space.
04:56:00.460 --> 04:56:04.730
So I guess I just made a
plug for why CSD needs
04:56:04.730 --> 04:56:07.985
to be on that, the
current working group.
04:56:07.985 --> 04:56:12.985
Anyway, so that's my update.
04:56:15.290 --> 04:56:17.670
Excellent, thank you,
Jason, it looks good.
04:56:17.670 --> 04:56:21.077
And perhaps we can bring
this to the committee meeting
04:56:21.077 --> 04:56:24.490
and also in January and
look at what type of leveraging
04:56:24.490 --> 04:56:28.060
opportunities the Board
could be helpful in infringing.
04:56:29.620 --> 04:56:32.370
And then future updates
as the CAPP applications
04:56:32.370 --> 04:56:35.430
are coming in, we can
provide more details
04:56:35.430 --> 04:56:37.577
on what arrearages those applications
04:56:37.577 --> 04:56:40.350
are impacting directly.
04:56:40.350 --> 04:56:44.081
Information displayed
on this chart is dated,
04:56:44.081 --> 04:56:48.081
it dates back to the summer
when we conducted a survey.
04:56:48.081 --> 04:56:50.390
And we know that for all the utilities,
04:56:50.390 --> 04:56:52.190
that arrearages a constantly changing.
04:56:52.190 --> 04:56:54.730
I mean, some cases
customers are paying down
04:56:54.730 --> 04:56:57.890
those arrearages, in other
cases, their arrearages
04:56:57.890 --> 04:56:58.940
are continuing to grow,
04:56:58.940 --> 04:57:01.953
but that's something we
need to closely monitor.
04:57:03.710 --> 04:57:05.223
Excellent, sounds good.
04:57:07.338 --> 04:57:10.700
Okay, I don't see any hands up,
04:57:10.700 --> 04:57:14.543
so I think we're okay
to move to the next item.
04:57:16.210 --> 04:57:18.130
So the next item is just item 11,
04:57:18.130 --> 04:57:20.940
which are subcommittee reports.
04:57:20.940 --> 04:57:22.790
I don't believe there
was anything from any
04:57:22.790 --> 04:57:27.110
of the sub-committees that
isn't covered in the agenda.
04:57:27.110 --> 04:57:32.110
Double check, everyone seems
like we're in agreement there,
04:57:32.940 --> 04:57:37.600
as stated earlier,
we'll likely work quickly
04:57:37.600 --> 04:57:39.840
with the remainder of this week
and perhaps early next week
04:57:39.840 --> 04:57:42.733
to send out a survey to
figure out when we can have
04:57:42.733 --> 04:57:46.793
a committee meeting
next year to make the,
04:57:48.090 --> 04:57:50.630
to provide feedback in time
for the February 4th filing
04:57:50.630 --> 04:57:53.500
deadline for the pilot,
04:57:53.500 --> 04:57:56.320
as well as the other items
that we wanted to go over
04:57:56.320 --> 04:57:59.901
the items didn't have the time
for as well as anything else.
04:57:59.901 --> 04:58:03.900
So we'll circle back with the
Energy Division, Commissioner,
04:58:03.900 --> 04:58:07.020
your office, to make sure
we coordinate all of that.
04:58:08.800 --> 04:58:12.280
The technical advisory
committee, I think
04:58:13.475 --> 04:58:16.448
border with lane I'll
converse at some point
04:58:16.448 --> 04:58:18.189
early next year,
04:58:18.189 --> 04:58:21.500
I want to underscore one
thing that was in Kapil's
04:58:21.500 --> 04:58:24.020
presentation, which was just the UAS,
04:58:24.020 --> 04:58:26.120
Universal Application System,
04:58:26.120 --> 04:58:28.800
working group that came out
last decision how wonderful
04:58:28.800 --> 04:58:30.950
of a development that is.
04:58:30.950 --> 04:58:32.760
I think that it's gonna take some time,
04:58:32.760 --> 04:58:36.330
but it's really going to
simplify the user experience
04:58:36.330 --> 04:58:37.697
for a lot of people.
04:58:37.697 --> 04:58:42.697
And as we heard from
social services or California
04:58:43.280 --> 04:58:47.080
Department of Social Service,
Deputy Director Hernandez,
04:58:47.080 --> 04:58:50.929
perhaps a year ago at the
Commissioner's invitation,
04:58:50.929 --> 04:58:52.600
they're doing something similar.
04:58:52.600 --> 04:58:54.400
And so once those two things are up,
04:58:54.400 --> 04:58:56.460
getting them to talk to each other,
04:58:56.460 --> 04:59:00.190
it seems like a final step
to have one application
04:59:00.190 --> 04:59:03.748
to sign up for a lot of the
core safety net programs.
04:59:03.748 --> 04:59:06.460
So we'll look at ways that
the TAC can support that work,
04:59:06.460 --> 04:59:09.250
but just want to thank everyone again.
04:59:09.250 --> 04:59:12.096
'Cause I think there's
been tremendous progress
04:59:12.096 --> 04:59:13.339
on that front.
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And that gets us to item 13,
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which was wrap up and closing remarks.
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When we go to closing remarks,
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I do know that we're still in
the process of scheduling,
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the next LIOB meeting,
a date has not been set,
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but I think we're looking
at the first couple of weeks
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of March, if I'm not mistaken.
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So stay tuned for that.
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And I know that plans are
ongoing for a slightly belated,
04:59:40.930 --> 04:59:44.420
but still being relevant
and fun 20th anniversary
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celebration, we obviously
want that to be in person.
04:59:49.960 --> 04:59:52.020
Robert has promised to
everyone on the Board,
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tuck header up no matter where we meet
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and we're gonna hold him to the back.
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So with that for perhaps more
details on both of these sub
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items and closing remarks,
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Commissioner, happy to pass it to you.
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Thank you, I want to
wish all of my colleagues
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and the Board have a wonderful holiday.
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And Lourdes you're bringing
in your grandchild early
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to a participatory advisory democracy.
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It's wonderful, I also want
to including congratulate
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our chair, Benito Delgado-Olson,
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and also Board member
Jason Windley on both being
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reappointed by Governor Newsome,
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and Benito's case it's
to the IOB and prefacing.
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Show me the points.
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Yes, okay, did I, okay.
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I think our, did I promote you Jason?
05:01:03.240 --> 05:01:04.573
Yeah, okay, why not?
05:01:06.230 --> 05:01:09.900
Chief Deputy Director over there at CSD.
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Congratulations to both of you.
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Thank you, everyone
for a very thoughtful
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and important discussion.
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Appreciate everyone being
so engaged in these efforts
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and look forward to
working with you in 2022,
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for the folks who tuned in
today, thank you for your
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comments for the IOUs
and all the hard work.
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And we'll, we'll do more
for the greater good in 2022.
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Thank you, back to you Benito.
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Okay, thank you very
much Commissioner.
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Before I close this out
did any other members
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have any comments about the meeting?
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Well, if I'm going
to kick into taquero,
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I might as well throw in music.
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So a commit to a mariachi as well.
05:02:03.187 --> 05:02:05.713
And let's invite our
friends over at the DK.
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Of course, yeah.
05:02:07.873 --> 05:02:10.687
Because we are looking at
Sacramento I don't know, but.
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Excellent, sounds good time.
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Well, I'll be brief
cause we're over time.
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Just thank you again
to Energy Division staff,
05:02:20.750 --> 05:02:23.780
Water Division staff Gillian
for all your coordination
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efforts, to all the IOUs
for all the work that went
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into all of these
presentations and changes
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and everyone we encouraged from today,
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and just thank you everyone
for all of your contributions
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and work, I think at
beginning of the meeting,
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we underscored it's by
the time we meet again,
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it will have been a little
bit more than two years
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since this pandemic started.
05:02:46.880 --> 05:02:50.840
And so it's been a long period at times,
05:02:50.840 --> 05:02:53.050
a little bit difficult and intense,
05:02:53.050 --> 05:02:56.230
but still it's always wonderful
to work with a collaborative
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group working towards a common goal.
05:02:58.380 --> 05:03:02.990
So just to wish everybody a
very happy and safe holiday
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season and happy new year,
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Robert, we're gonna hold
you to the music and the food.
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And I'm really looking forward to that,
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because it's gonna be
nice just to see somebody
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in person again after what
will be a pretty long stretch.
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So thank you everyone, and
have a great rest of your week.
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We'll see you next year.
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Thank you.
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(speaks in foreign language)
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Happy holidays.
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(indistinct chattering)