WEBVTT 00:00:02.120 --> 00:00:03.130 Good morning. 00:00:03.130 --> 00:00:05.910 We need to start by establishing a quorum. 00:00:05.910 --> 00:00:08.263 Agenda Clerk, could you please call the role? 00:00:10.183 --> 00:00:12.303 Commissioner Houck? Here. 00:00:13.680 --> 00:00:15.453 Commissioner Shiroma? Present. 00:00:17.820 --> 00:00:19.720 Commissioner Rechtschaffen? Here. 00:00:21.180 --> 00:00:22.680 President Reynolds? Here. 00:00:24.760 --> 00:00:26.403 A quorum has been established. 00:00:27.270 --> 00:00:28.760 Welcome everyone to the 00:00:28.760 --> 00:00:31.670 California Public Utilities Commission meeting. 00:00:31.670 --> 00:00:35.623 I'm calling this meeting of January 27th, 2022, 00:00:37.040 --> 00:00:41.460 Public Agenda Number 3501 to order. 00:00:41.460 --> 00:00:43.770 Due to the Coronavirus pandemic, 00:00:43.770 --> 00:00:46.630 pursuant to the authorization of Section Two 00:00:46.630 --> 00:00:48.670 of Assembly Bill 361, 00:00:48.670 --> 00:00:52.140 we are conducting today's business meeting online 00:00:52.140 --> 00:00:54.320 by remote participation. 00:00:54.320 --> 00:00:58.123 The meeting is live streamed on the PUC's website. 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:04.000 You can view the meeting at www.Adminmonitor.com/CA/CPUC. 00:01:09.670 --> 00:01:12.190 Closed captioning is available in English 00:01:12.190 --> 00:01:14.670 and Spanish through the webcast. 00:01:14.670 --> 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00:04:04.050 Before we begin public comment, 00:04:04.050 --> 00:04:07.053 I wanna pause for a moment to reflect on the month ahead. 00:04:07.990 --> 00:04:10.240 As we come to the end of January, 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:12.340 and look forward towards February, 00:04:12.340 --> 00:04:16.280 we take this moment to acknowledge Black History Month, 00:04:16.280 --> 00:04:19.890 and the history and accomplishments of African Americans 00:04:19.890 --> 00:04:20.913 as we celebrate. 00:04:21.760 --> 00:04:23.400 As we strive to be better, 00:04:23.400 --> 00:04:25.070 we embrace the opportunities 00:04:25.070 --> 00:04:28.210 that Black History Month offers to honor the work 00:04:28.210 --> 00:04:31.690 and achievements of African Americans throughout history. 00:04:31.690 --> 00:04:34.130 Those achievements in politics, law, 00:04:34.130 --> 00:04:38.170 civil rights, the arts, entertainment, sports, and science, 00:04:38.170 --> 00:04:40.590 all aspects of this country's history, 00:04:40.590 --> 00:04:42.333 shape our realities today. 00:04:43.520 --> 00:04:46.240 The theme of this year's Black History Month 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:48.550 is Black health and wellness. 00:04:48.550 --> 00:04:51.860 Given the continued presence of the COVID-19 pandemic, 00:04:51.860 --> 00:04:55.870 and the focus on African American history of physical 00:04:55.870 --> 00:04:57.520 and emotional health, 00:04:57.520 --> 00:04:59.680 the disparities that are readily apparent 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:02.550 should be discussed and better understood. 00:05:02.550 --> 00:05:06.240 As a community, together, we remember the work, 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:08.810 strife, accomplishments, and contributions 00:05:08.810 --> 00:05:11.130 of African Americans throughout history. 00:05:11.130 --> 00:05:13.080 But our work together is not done, 00:05:13.080 --> 00:05:16.610 and there is much more to be done. 00:05:16.610 --> 00:05:18.950 Inequality still burdens too many. 00:05:18.950 --> 00:05:22.020 And as decision makers this month, and every month, 00:05:22.020 --> 00:05:24.090 it is our responsibility to incorporate 00:05:24.090 --> 00:05:26.120 the principles of justice, inclusion, 00:05:26.120 --> 00:05:27.943 and equity into all that we do. 00:05:30.100 --> 00:05:34.220 February 1st also marks the start of the Lunar New Year, 00:05:34.220 --> 00:05:35.650 an auspicious holiday, 00:05:35.650 --> 00:05:38.650 and week long celebration with family and friends, 00:05:38.650 --> 00:05:41.350 symbolizing a fresh start and renewal. 00:05:41.350 --> 00:05:44.123 2022 is the year of the tiger. 00:05:45.200 --> 00:05:48.060 Both celebrations are a time of traditions 00:05:48.060 --> 00:05:51.823 and customs focusing on family, friends, and community. 00:05:52.690 --> 00:05:55.973 Wishing you all good health and good fortune. 00:05:57.080 --> 00:05:59.023 I will now turn to public comment. 00:06:03.470 --> 00:06:05.810 If you wish to make a public comment, 00:06:05.810 --> 00:06:07.180 and you have already dialed 00:06:07.180 --> 00:06:10.340 into the public comment telephone line, 00:06:10.340 --> 00:06:13.140 please press *1, and unmute your phone 00:06:13.140 --> 00:06:15.123 to enter the public comment queue. 00:06:19.154 --> 00:06:22.250 CPUC rules do not allow for parties 00:06:22.250 --> 00:06:24.810 and proceedings to speak about open proceedings. 00:06:24.810 --> 00:06:28.200 The public can make comments addressing items 00:06:28.200 --> 00:06:30.250 on the consent and regular agenda, 00:06:30.250 --> 00:06:32.413 as well as items not on the agenda. 00:06:33.430 --> 00:06:36.230 Please note that there will not be public comment 00:06:36.230 --> 00:06:39.750 on items 2, 17, and 18, 00:06:39.750 --> 00:06:42.453 and all items on the closed session agenda. 00:06:47.150 --> 00:06:49.590 You will have one minute to speak. 00:06:49.590 --> 00:06:52.340 You will hear a bell sound when your time is up. 00:06:52.340 --> 00:06:55.010 Please be mindful of other speakers in the queue, 00:06:55.010 --> 00:06:57.550 and keep to your allotted time. 00:06:57.550 --> 00:06:58.420 As a reminder, 00:06:58.420 --> 00:06:59.880 please speak clearly 00:06:59.880 --> 00:07:03.080 and slowly to accommodate Spanish interpreters 00:07:03.080 --> 00:07:04.260 who are available during the 00:07:04.260 --> 00:07:06.603 public comment portion of today's meeting. 00:07:11.860 --> 00:07:13.430 With that guidance in mind, 00:07:13.430 --> 00:07:15.100 I welcome today's speakers. 00:07:15.100 --> 00:07:17.120 I will now turn to the operator 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:19.423 to open the public comment telephone line. 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:21.193 Operator? 00:07:23.840 --> 00:07:26.100 The public comment line is now open. 00:07:26.100 --> 00:07:28.870 If you wish to speak during the public comment period, 00:07:28.870 --> 00:07:31.450 please press *1, unmute your phone, 00:07:31.450 --> 00:07:34.853 and clearly record your first and last name when prompted. 00:07:35.770 --> 00:07:37.950 Our first comment comes from Dylan Mathias. 00:07:37.950 --> 00:07:38.800 You may go ahead. 00:07:41.490 --> 00:07:43.390 Yeah, can you hear me? 00:07:43.390 --> 00:07:44.223 Yes, we can. 00:07:44.223 --> 00:07:45.203 Please proceed. 00:07:46.410 --> 00:07:47.550 Yeah, my name's Dylan. 00:07:47.550 --> 00:07:49.279 I work for First Response Solar. 00:07:49.279 --> 00:07:51.880 I'm one of the owners in Sebastopol. 00:07:51.880 --> 00:07:55.760 And I am calling in in regards to 00:07:55.760 --> 00:07:59.503 the decision about the CPUC and the energy metering. 00:08:00.760 --> 00:08:04.590 Just wanted to say that, the current proposal, 00:08:04.590 --> 00:08:08.950 I hope it's being revised and looked at it. 00:08:08.950 --> 00:08:10.180 The current proposal as is 00:08:10.180 --> 00:08:13.000 would ultimately end our industry, 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.773 and I hope that the CPUC takes a look at it. 00:08:17.660 --> 00:08:18.493 Thank you. 00:08:19.480 --> 00:08:20.500 Thank you. 00:08:20.500 --> 00:08:22.213 Operator, next caller, please. 00:08:24.060 --> 00:08:26.580 Our next caller is from Vincent Battaglia. 00:08:26.580 --> 00:08:27.723 You may go ahead. 00:08:30.150 --> 00:08:31.345 Good morning, Commissioners! 00:08:31.345 --> 00:08:32.681 My name is Vincent Battaglia. 00:08:32.681 --> 00:08:35.050 I'm the founder/CEO of Renova Energy Corporation, 00:08:35.050 --> 00:08:38.720 a rooftop solar and battery integrator founded in 2006. 00:08:38.720 --> 00:08:42.350 I represented a 275 person employee-owned company, 00:08:42.350 --> 00:08:44.370 with 10,000 happy customers, 00:08:44.370 --> 00:08:46.050 and a combined 35 million dollars 00:08:46.050 --> 00:08:47.750 in annual electric savings. 00:08:47.750 --> 00:08:49.220 I've got a true story for you. 00:08:49.220 --> 00:08:50.810 Our region is bifurcated 00:08:50.810 --> 00:08:53.520 by two of the state's electric utility monopolies, 00:08:53.520 --> 00:08:54.397 Southern California Edison 00:08:54.397 --> 00:08:56.690 and the Imperial Irrigation District. 00:08:56.690 --> 00:08:57.990 The Imperial Irrigation District 00:08:57.990 --> 00:09:02.270 created a Frankenstein monster called net billing in 2015. 00:09:02.270 --> 00:09:03.103 In the years since, 00:09:03.103 --> 00:09:06.200 net billing has eviscerated the choice of rooftop solar, 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:08.930 so that they can maintain an unchecked monopoly. 00:09:08.930 --> 00:09:11.080 NEM3 is also called net billing. 00:09:11.080 --> 00:09:13.390 It was built by the utility monopoly 00:09:13.390 --> 00:09:15.040 for the utility monopoly. 00:09:15.040 --> 00:09:17.400 Guaranteed, it will eviscerate rate payer choice 00:09:17.400 --> 00:09:19.800 and thousands of rooftop solar careers, 00:09:19.800 --> 00:09:23.040 just as the Imperial Irrigation District has done. 00:09:23.040 --> 00:09:25.530 No, please, to NEM 3.0. 00:09:25.530 --> 00:09:26.600 Let's begin, instead, 00:09:26.600 --> 00:09:29.220 to dismantle the electric utility monopoly 00:09:29.220 --> 00:09:31.470 in favor of a cleaner energy future 00:09:31.470 --> 00:09:33.530 secured by rooftop solar. 00:09:33.530 --> 00:09:34.630 Thank you for my time. 00:09:35.680 --> 00:09:36.910 Thank you very much. 00:09:36.910 --> 00:09:38.623 Operator, next caller, please. 00:09:40.930 --> 00:09:42.960 Our next caller is Steve Beck. 00:09:42.960 --> 00:09:44.600 You may go ahead. 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:46.140 Yes. 00:09:46.140 --> 00:09:48.160 My name is Steve Beck. 00:09:48.160 --> 00:09:50.100 To stop climate change, 00:09:50.100 --> 00:09:54.530 we must have government mandated incentives 00:09:54.530 --> 00:09:58.650 to promote new and existing solar. 00:09:58.650 --> 00:10:03.650 And if we pay people who have excess rooftop solar 00:10:05.640 --> 00:10:08.810 to sell it back to the grid, 00:10:08.810 --> 00:10:12.573 this will increase our use of renewable energy. 00:10:14.060 --> 00:10:16.350 Increasing our use of renewable energy 00:10:16.350 --> 00:10:17.793 is what it's all about. 00:10:19.140 --> 00:10:23.520 So if we pay people who have excess rooftop solar 00:10:24.410 --> 00:10:27.090 to sell it back to the grid, 00:10:27.090 --> 00:10:31.163 this will increase our use of renewable energy. 00:10:32.090 --> 00:10:34.650 Let's keep California the nation's leader 00:10:34.650 --> 00:10:36.540 in promoting solar power. 00:10:36.540 --> 00:10:37.563 Thank you, guys. 00:10:39.590 --> 00:10:40.423 Thank you. 00:10:40.423 --> 00:10:41.973 Operator, next caller, please. 00:10:44.470 --> 00:10:47.793 Our next caller is Carol Cole-Lewis. 00:10:48.640 --> 00:10:49.490 You may go ahead. 00:10:51.260 --> 00:10:52.200 Good morning. 00:10:52.200 --> 00:10:55.910 I am commenting on the proposed NEM tariff provisions. 00:10:55.910 --> 00:10:58.820 I've been an independent solar consultant in poor, 00:10:58.820 --> 00:11:01.670 rural Lake County since 2016. 00:11:01.670 --> 00:11:03.970 My customers are currently not eligible 00:11:03.970 --> 00:11:05.890 for any low income solar programs, 00:11:05.890 --> 00:11:09.510 because, evidently, Lake County air is not polluted enough. 00:11:09.510 --> 00:11:11.980 However, my homeowners still want rooftop solar, 00:11:11.980 --> 00:11:13.810 'cause they want more freedom 00:11:13.810 --> 00:11:17.140 and control over their own energy destiny. 00:11:17.140 --> 00:11:19.620 The proposed NEM revisions would not only bring 00:11:19.620 --> 00:11:22.110 my business here to a screeching halt, 00:11:22.110 --> 00:11:25.390 but also will prohibit my lower income Lake County neighbors 00:11:25.390 --> 00:11:27.590 and friends from going solar. 00:11:27.590 --> 00:11:31.060 Please consider the poor, rural California counties, 00:11:31.060 --> 00:11:34.050 and allow us to achieve more energy independence, 00:11:34.050 --> 00:11:37.680 and to do our part towards helping California achieve 00:11:37.680 --> 00:11:39.780 her climate action goals. 00:11:39.780 --> 00:11:42.010 I urge you to keep solar affordable, 00:11:42.010 --> 00:11:45.110 and reject the proposed NEM tariff revisions. 00:11:45.110 --> 00:11:47.213 Thank you for your time and consideration. 00:11:48.570 --> 00:11:49.403 Thank you. 00:11:49.403 --> 00:11:50.863 Operator, next caller, please. 00:11:52.770 --> 00:11:55.840 Our next caller is Joseph Robinson. 00:11:55.840 --> 00:11:56.723 You may go ahead. 00:11:58.220 --> 00:11:59.370 Good morning, Commissioners! 00:11:59.370 --> 00:12:01.240 My name is Joseph Robinson. 00:12:01.240 --> 00:12:02.870 I am retired. 00:12:02.870 --> 00:12:05.390 Two years ago, my wife and I downsized, 00:12:05.390 --> 00:12:08.690 and used part of the proceeds to pay for solar 00:12:08.690 --> 00:12:11.460 and batteries in our new residence. 00:12:11.460 --> 00:12:14.080 We now live in a HOA community 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:16.420 in the High Desert of Apple Valley. 00:12:16.420 --> 00:12:17.910 We are not rich, 00:12:17.910 --> 00:12:21.530 unlike those who say, "Solar is for the rich". 00:12:21.530 --> 00:12:23.920 Now you wanna break your word. 00:12:23.920 --> 00:12:26.850 I ask myself, where is your honor? 00:12:26.850 --> 00:12:31.290 I say, no solar tax of any kind 00:12:31.290 --> 00:12:34.730 ensure us that solar will become more affordable 00:12:34.730 --> 00:12:38.740 for working folks, middle class households, 00:12:38.740 --> 00:12:41.490 retirees, and senior citizens. 00:12:41.490 --> 00:12:43.280 Do not turn your back on those 00:12:43.280 --> 00:12:45.630 who will be affected the most. 00:12:45.630 --> 00:12:48.940 A sudden spike in cost can cause many of us 00:12:48.940 --> 00:12:52.830 to cut back on food, medicine, transportation, 00:12:52.830 --> 00:12:55.600 home heating, and water usage. 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:59.620 Fixed income, I'm sure you have heard of that. 00:12:59.620 --> 00:13:00.663 For the planet, 00:13:01.768 --> 00:13:04.020 (bell dinging) go big, go bold, 00:13:04.020 --> 00:13:06.203 and help protect our precious planet. 00:13:07.950 --> 00:13:09.890 Thank you very much. 00:13:09.890 --> 00:13:11.980 I'd like to take a moment to recognize 00:13:11.980 --> 00:13:16.083 that we currently have 455 callers in the queue. 00:13:16.920 --> 00:13:21.010 If callers could take care 00:13:21.010 --> 00:13:23.630 to keep their comments within the one minute, 00:13:23.630 --> 00:13:24.880 and I would even ask 00:13:24.880 --> 00:13:28.980 if commenters could shorten their comments. 00:13:28.980 --> 00:13:32.650 We are listening very carefully to every single caller, 00:13:32.650 --> 00:13:34.670 but we have a lot of people waiting today, 00:13:34.670 --> 00:13:36.880 and for everyone's time, 00:13:36.880 --> 00:13:41.080 if we could keep comments as short as possible. 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:42.590 Thank you very much. 00:13:42.590 --> 00:13:44.593 Operator, let's go to the next caller. 00:13:46.130 --> 00:13:49.140 Our next caller is Adlai Outa. 00:13:49.140 --> 00:13:49.990 You may go ahead. 00:13:57.180 --> 00:13:59.420 Again, Adlai Outa, we are not able to hear you. 00:13:59.420 --> 00:14:00.253 Can you please check 00:14:00.253 --> 00:14:01.817 your mute button? Oh, can you hear me now? 00:14:01.817 --> 00:14:03.279 Can you hear me? Yes, we can. 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:04.112 Okay. 00:14:04.112 --> 00:14:08.620 My name is Adlai Outa with Magic Sun Solar, 00:14:08.620 --> 00:14:11.290 located in Loomis, near Sacramento. 00:14:11.290 --> 00:14:14.880 I've been selling residential solar now for over 12 years. 00:14:14.880 --> 00:14:19.880 NEM 3.0 in its current form will kill solar for me 00:14:20.330 --> 00:14:24.350 and the nearly 70,000 solar workers in California. 00:14:24.350 --> 00:14:27.308 It will also prevent hundreds of thousand 00:14:27.308 --> 00:14:30.990 California electricity consumers from going solar, 00:14:30.990 --> 00:14:35.530 because of the prohibitively high solar tax being proposed. 00:14:35.530 --> 00:14:39.850 Many of my customers are retirees on fixed income, 00:14:39.850 --> 00:14:41.820 or are just trying to stay above water 00:14:41.820 --> 00:14:44.790 due to rising electricity rates. 00:14:44.790 --> 00:14:48.370 NEM 3.0 will prevent them from doing so. 00:14:48.370 --> 00:14:50.890 The vast majority of my customers are regular, 00:14:50.890 --> 00:14:52.720 everyday people in middle class, 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:55.490 residential PG&E territories, 00:14:55.490 --> 00:14:57.150 who are just trying to stay ahead 00:14:57.150 --> 00:14:59.584 of the rising cost of electricity. 00:14:59.584 --> 00:15:04.320 NEM 3.0 will prohibit them from going solar. 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:08.070 Please prevent NEM 3.0 from going forward 00:15:08.070 --> 00:15:09.880 in its current form. 00:15:09.880 --> 00:15:11.450 Thank you. 00:15:11.450 --> 00:15:12.310 Thank you. 00:15:12.310 --> 00:15:13.823 Operator, next caller, please. 00:15:17.270 --> 00:15:19.240 The next caller is Mike Rosenfeld. 00:15:19.240 --> 00:15:20.090 You may go ahead. 00:15:21.520 --> 00:15:23.930 Mike Rosenfeld from Redondo Beach, California 00:15:23.930 --> 00:15:26.440 with Power of Public Benefit Company. 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:29.750 I lost my job in December of 2019. 00:15:29.750 --> 00:15:31.890 Three months later, the pandemic hit. 00:15:31.890 --> 00:15:32.723 My family got hit with 00:15:32.723 --> 00:15:34.990 the biggest hardship we have ever faced. 00:15:34.990 --> 00:15:37.440 In September, 2020, I found Power, 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:40.280 and have been learning and growing my own solar business. 00:15:40.280 --> 00:15:42.940 I have an eight-year-old daughter that I provide for. 00:15:42.940 --> 00:15:45.240 My business recently started picking up, 00:15:45.240 --> 00:15:48.570 and I'm finally climbing out of the hole from 2020. 00:15:48.570 --> 00:15:50.650 Every customer that has gone solar is happy 00:15:50.650 --> 00:15:52.090 and in a better place. 00:15:52.090 --> 00:15:53.150 I'm in a better place, 00:15:53.150 --> 00:15:55.070 and the planet is in a better place. 00:15:55.070 --> 00:15:56.740 So what are we doing here? 00:15:56.740 --> 00:16:00.100 The specifics of my story are unique, but my story is not. 00:16:00.100 --> 00:16:02.500 Solar energy is changing so many lives. 00:16:02.500 --> 00:16:03.680 Are we really gonna take away 00:16:03.680 --> 00:16:06.630 the tens of thousands of jobs that solar provides, 00:16:06.630 --> 00:16:08.253 and the hundreds of thousands of jobs 00:16:08.253 --> 00:16:10.090 that this exponentially growing industry 00:16:10.090 --> 00:16:11.800 will provide in the future? 00:16:11.800 --> 00:16:14.740 Please do not pass this proposed decision. 00:16:14.740 --> 00:16:16.360 California needs needs to continue 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:18.210 to move forward, not backwards. 00:16:18.210 --> 00:16:19.660 Thank you. 00:16:19.660 --> 00:16:20.493 Thank you. 00:16:20.493 --> 00:16:22.490 Operator, next caller, please. 00:16:25.190 --> 00:16:27.700 Our next caller is Kyle Severns. 00:16:27.700 --> 00:16:28.550 You may go ahead. 00:16:29.870 --> 00:16:31.303 Hi, my name's Kyle Severns. 00:16:31.303 --> 00:16:34.000 I work for Solar Technologies in San Ramon. 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:36.200 I'm proud to have worked in the solar industry in California 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:37.360 for the last 15 years, 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:40.317 and greatly hope to be able to do so for another 15. 00:16:40.317 --> 00:16:43.800 The CPUC's proposed decision would not allow me to do so, 00:16:43.800 --> 00:16:45.760 and would immediately halt the sustainable growth 00:16:45.760 --> 00:16:47.280 of green energy in our state, 00:16:47.280 --> 00:16:49.760 while killing thousands of solar jobs. 00:16:49.760 --> 00:16:51.650 Myself, and so many other California workers, 00:16:51.650 --> 00:16:52.650 have committed their lives 00:16:52.650 --> 00:16:54.470 to this great environmental cause. 00:16:54.470 --> 00:16:55.627 Please don't allow utility pressure 00:16:55.627 --> 00:16:58.140 and misinformation to undo that work. 00:16:58.140 --> 00:16:59.560 California must continue to lead 00:16:59.560 --> 00:17:01.200 when it comes to solar energy. 00:17:01.200 --> 00:17:03.740 This decision, as written, would instantly make California 00:17:03.740 --> 00:17:05.890 the least solar-friendly state in the country. 00:17:05.890 --> 00:17:07.470 Please say no to the solar tax, 00:17:07.470 --> 00:17:09.411 and reject this proposed disaster. 00:17:09.411 --> 00:17:10.244 Thank you. 00:17:11.108 --> 00:17:12.160 Thank you. 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:13.713 Operator, next caller, please. 00:17:15.550 --> 00:17:17.180 Our next caller is Brett Phillips. 00:17:17.180 --> 00:17:18.030 You may go ahead. 00:17:19.130 --> 00:17:19.963 Good morning. 00:17:19.963 --> 00:17:20.796 My name is Brett Phillips. 00:17:20.796 --> 00:17:22.440 I'm a co-founder of Unico Solar, 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:24.380 which is building and operating dozens of 00:17:24.380 --> 00:17:26.900 commercial solar projects throughout California. 00:17:26.900 --> 00:17:29.430 We bring clean, affordable energy to schools 00:17:29.430 --> 00:17:30.520 that educate our kids, 00:17:30.520 --> 00:17:32.210 life science companies that are performing 00:17:32.210 --> 00:17:33.680 life-saving research, 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:35.277 farmers that put food on our tables, 00:17:35.277 --> 00:17:37.330 and many more organizations that provide 00:17:37.330 --> 00:17:39.580 important services to our communities. 00:17:39.580 --> 00:17:42.380 We strongly oppose the proposed NEM3 policy, 00:17:42.380 --> 00:17:43.750 which will kill our ability 00:17:43.750 --> 00:17:45.980 to continue this work in California. 00:17:45.980 --> 00:17:47.240 I have a one-year-old son, 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:50.820 and for me, Unico Solar represents my duty as a parent 00:17:50.820 --> 00:17:51.840 and as a human being 00:17:51.840 --> 00:17:54.580 to leave a more sustainable world for ourselves 00:17:54.580 --> 00:17:55.870 and our children. 00:17:55.870 --> 00:17:57.670 Through many late nights and weekends, 00:17:57.670 --> 00:18:01.170 we are in the process of delivering on that responsibility, 00:18:01.170 --> 00:18:03.290 but NEM3 will kill that work, 00:18:03.290 --> 00:18:05.700 and force our business out of the state. 00:18:05.700 --> 00:18:08.980 I urge you to modify the NEM3 proposal to give our, 00:18:08.980 --> 00:18:11.550 to give customers the full value of electricity, 00:18:11.550 --> 00:18:14.290 and preserve our ability to deliver 00:18:14.290 --> 00:18:16.760 on our sacred duty to protect our climate 00:18:16.760 --> 00:18:18.060 for future generations. 00:18:18.060 --> 00:18:19.600 Thank you. 00:18:19.600 --> 00:18:20.640 Thank you. 00:18:20.640 --> 00:18:22.290 Operator, next caller, please. 00:18:24.910 --> 00:18:27.240 Our next caller is Steve Kruetzfeldt. 00:18:27.240 --> 00:18:28.140 Your line is open. 00:18:29.770 --> 00:18:31.260 Hi, this is Keith Kruetzfeldt. 00:18:31.260 --> 00:18:33.500 I am the owner of Suntegrity Solar. 00:18:33.500 --> 00:18:35.360 We've been installing rooftop solar 00:18:35.360 --> 00:18:37.320 in the North Bay for 12 years. 00:18:37.320 --> 00:18:38.500 And I'd just like to thank you 00:18:38.500 --> 00:18:40.540 for the chance to speak today. 00:18:40.540 --> 00:18:41.820 The utilities want you to believe 00:18:41.820 --> 00:18:44.970 the rich are going solar at the expense of the poor. 00:18:44.970 --> 00:18:46.480 The reality is, 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:49.470 our largest customer base is the middle class 00:18:49.470 --> 00:18:51.170 that elects to go solar for financial 00:18:51.170 --> 00:18:52.670 and environmental benefits, 00:18:52.670 --> 00:18:56.090 including many PG&E employees. 00:18:56.090 --> 00:18:58.840 I implore you to abandon the proposed decision, 00:18:58.840 --> 00:19:00.360 and work closely with CalSSA 00:19:00.360 --> 00:19:05.360 to ensure NEM3 preserves the 50,000-plus jobs in California, 00:19:06.060 --> 00:19:09.280 and supports California's most important demographic, 00:19:09.280 --> 00:19:10.310 the middle class. 00:19:10.310 --> 00:19:11.930 Thank you. 00:19:11.930 --> 00:19:12.980 Thank you. 00:19:12.980 --> 00:19:14.633 Operator, next caller, please. 00:19:18.490 --> 00:19:20.410 Our next caller is Heath Kirin. 00:19:20.410 --> 00:19:21.260 you may go ahead. 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:24.070 Thank you for allowing me to speak. 00:19:24.070 --> 00:19:26.040 My name is Heath Kirin with Excite Energy 00:19:26.040 --> 00:19:27.490 based in El Dorado County. 00:19:27.490 --> 00:19:28.600 I started my business eight years ago, 00:19:28.600 --> 00:19:30.890 and I've worked really hard to build it. 00:19:30.890 --> 00:19:33.210 I'm proud to employ 15 blue collar workers 00:19:33.210 --> 00:19:36.270 with livable wages, health benefits, and PTO. 00:19:36.270 --> 00:19:37.597 If the proposed decision is approved, 00:19:37.597 --> 00:19:39.570 I'll have to lay off everyone, 00:19:39.570 --> 00:19:41.420 and I'll no longer be able to honor my warranties 00:19:41.420 --> 00:19:43.360 to my thousand-plus customers. 00:19:43.360 --> 00:19:45.123 My employees have families, as do I. 00:19:45.123 --> 00:19:47.830 It will be heartbreaking for both them and us. 00:19:47.830 --> 00:19:49.990 Sadly, this is not an exaggeration. 00:19:49.990 --> 00:19:51.750 The proposed rule changes are terrible, 00:19:51.750 --> 00:19:54.320 and not even remotely economic for the industry. 00:19:54.320 --> 00:19:55.940 Unlike the utility propaganda, 00:19:55.940 --> 00:19:57.670 we are not solar billionaires. 00:19:57.670 --> 00:19:58.710 We are middle class. 00:19:58.710 --> 00:20:01.430 As a matter of fact, we don't know any solar billionaires. 00:20:01.430 --> 00:20:02.620 The only one who's quite famous 00:20:02.620 --> 00:20:05.090 made his money with electric vehicles and rockets. 00:20:05.090 --> 00:20:06.600 Please don't make the changes as proposed 00:20:06.600 --> 00:20:08.390 to the current net energy metering. 00:20:08.390 --> 00:20:11.070 Utilities won't lose a single job in either scenario. 00:20:11.070 --> 00:20:13.210 The solar industry will go out of business in California 00:20:13.210 --> 00:20:14.900 as the nation's leader in renewable energy 00:20:14.900 --> 00:20:16.100 with these changes. 00:20:16.100 --> 00:20:18.183 Thank you for your time and consideration. 00:20:19.258 --> 00:20:20.091 Thank you. 00:20:20.091 --> 00:20:21.553 Operator, next caller, please. 00:20:23.309 --> 00:20:25.030 Our next caller is Bill Stewart. 00:20:25.030 --> 00:20:25.883 You may go ahead. 00:20:27.500 --> 00:20:29.745 Yes, hi, thank you. 00:20:29.745 --> 00:20:31.660 I'm with SolarCraft in Novato, 00:20:31.660 --> 00:20:33.990 and I've been fully employed in the solar industry 00:20:33.990 --> 00:20:37.760 my entire professional life, spanning over 40 years. 00:20:37.760 --> 00:20:38.960 SolarCraft is employee-owned, 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:42.720 and supports over 50 employee owners and our families. 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:44.100 The proposed NEM3 decision 00:20:44.100 --> 00:20:46.490 will decimate the California solar industry, 00:20:46.490 --> 00:20:48.130 and be in direct contrast to 00:20:48.130 --> 00:20:50.973 California's stated climate goals. 00:20:50.973 --> 00:20:53.040 A recent independent study estimated 00:20:53.040 --> 00:20:57.110 the adoption of rooftop solar would be cut by more than half 00:20:58.544 --> 00:21:00.373 should this proposal be implemented. 00:21:01.370 --> 00:21:02.413 One other factor to consider, 00:21:02.413 --> 00:21:04.680 is that the solar industry has been required 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:09.000 to provide labor and material warranties of up to 25 years. 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:12.110 What will happen to those customers and those owners, 00:21:12.110 --> 00:21:14.650 if over 50% of solar companies in the state 00:21:14.650 --> 00:21:16.863 are unable to continue in business? 00:21:17.733 --> 00:21:21.027 I respectfully urge the Commission to reject the proposal. 00:21:21.027 --> 00:21:21.860 Thank you. 00:21:22.752 --> 00:21:23.585 Thank you. 00:21:23.585 --> 00:21:24.940 Operator, next caller, please. 00:21:27.540 --> 00:21:29.200 Our next caller is Greg Albright. 00:21:29.200 --> 00:21:30.050 You may go ahead. 00:21:31.309 --> 00:21:32.800 Good morning, Commissioners. 00:21:32.800 --> 00:21:36.050 I wake up with two nightmarish realizations every day. 00:21:36.050 --> 00:21:36.883 COVID is here, 00:21:36.883 --> 00:21:39.420 and California is trying to kill solar. 00:21:39.420 --> 00:21:41.570 Not sure what to do about the COVID, 00:21:41.570 --> 00:21:45.110 but you can fix this anti-solar NEM 3.0. 00:21:45.110 --> 00:21:48.480 Please author a new NEM that benefits the many, 00:21:48.480 --> 00:21:50.550 not just utilities. 00:21:50.550 --> 00:21:52.797 My name is Greg Albright of Freedom Forever. 00:21:52.797 --> 00:21:56.750 Our company started in my backyard around 10 years ago, 00:21:56.750 --> 00:21:59.650 and now employs 2,000 amazing, hardworking, 00:21:59.650 --> 00:22:01.660 and dedicated employees. 00:22:01.660 --> 00:22:03.780 Please don't take this away from us. 00:22:03.780 --> 00:22:06.420 I'm very confident that you'll find a better solution 00:22:06.420 --> 00:22:08.490 to meet everyone's needs. 00:22:08.490 --> 00:22:09.323 Thank you. 00:22:10.470 --> 00:22:11.360 Thank you. 00:22:11.360 --> 00:22:12.860 Operator, next caller, please. 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:17.830 Our next caller is Aaron Nitzkin. 00:22:17.830 --> 00:22:18.680 You may go ahead. 00:22:20.350 --> 00:22:21.183 Yes. 00:22:21.183 --> 00:22:22.016 Hello, Commissioners. 00:22:22.016 --> 00:22:22.970 My name is Aaron Nitzkin. 00:22:22.970 --> 00:22:26.687 I've worked in the solar industry for over 18 years, 00:22:26.687 --> 00:22:29.190 and I currently work for Citadel Roofing & Solar. 00:22:29.190 --> 00:22:32.247 We're a large, residential roofing solar 00:22:32.247 --> 00:22:34.960 and battery contractor here. 00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:36.490 We're a family-owned business, 00:22:36.490 --> 00:22:38.180 with our headquarters in Vacaville, 00:22:38.180 --> 00:22:40.150 and we employ over 600 people, 00:22:40.150 --> 00:22:43.240 of which over 150 are primarily focused on 00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:44.400 our solar business. 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:45.640 These employees are spread out 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:48.280 throughout Northern California, the Central Valley, 00:22:48.280 --> 00:22:49.620 we have a lot there, 00:22:49.620 --> 00:22:51.780 and we're going in Southern California. 00:22:51.780 --> 00:22:53.560 We can take really good care of our employees, 00:22:53.560 --> 00:22:56.990 and as a result, we have very high job satisfaction, 00:22:56.990 --> 00:22:58.840 and relatively low turnover. 00:22:58.840 --> 00:23:00.540 And we have helped thousands of families, 00:23:00.540 --> 00:23:03.240 including many low income families, get solar, 00:23:03.240 --> 00:23:05.390 which has led to these families saving money, 00:23:05.390 --> 00:23:06.700 and having more disposable income 00:23:06.700 --> 00:23:09.010 to support other areas of their lives. 00:23:09.010 --> 00:23:10.610 The proposed decision as written 00:23:10.610 --> 00:23:14.200 would devastate the industry, as we've all said. 00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:15.033 And as a result of this, 00:23:15.033 --> 00:23:16.789 it would devastate our company, 00:23:16.789 --> 00:23:17.622 and the hundreds of families 00:23:17.622 --> 00:23:20.560 that rely on us for their livelihood. 00:23:20.560 --> 00:23:24.510 I ask you to please reject this proposed decision, 00:23:24.510 --> 00:23:26.176 and ensure that solar remains strong. 00:23:26.176 --> 00:23:27.730 (bell dinging) 00:23:27.730 --> 00:23:28.730 Thank you. 00:23:28.730 --> 00:23:30.230 Operator, next caller, please. 00:23:32.850 --> 00:23:35.540 Our next caller is Jim Jenal. 00:23:35.540 --> 00:23:36.390 you may go ahead. 00:23:37.449 --> 00:23:38.282 Good morning. 00:23:38.282 --> 00:23:39.115 My name is Jim Jenal. 00:23:39.115 --> 00:23:41.830 I'm the founder and CEO of Run on Sun, 00:23:41.830 --> 00:23:45.440 a solar and storage installation company in Pasadena. 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:48.910 I saw the flyer that Edison distributed in my service area, 00:23:48.910 --> 00:23:52.137 claiming that the present net metering rules are, quote, 00:23:52.137 --> 00:23:55.590 "making billionaires and big businesses rich", unquote, 00:23:55.590 --> 00:23:57.020 and I just had to shake my head, 00:23:57.020 --> 00:23:59.750 as I really don't know who they're talking about. 00:23:59.750 --> 00:24:01.520 Run on Sun is a gross revenue, 00:24:01.520 --> 00:24:03.200 half a million a year company. 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:05.260 Not exactly a big business. 00:24:05.260 --> 00:24:06.970 And no, I'm not a millionaire, 00:24:06.970 --> 00:24:08.700 let alone a billionaire! 00:24:08.700 --> 00:24:11.330 Nor is anyone I know in this industry. 00:24:11.330 --> 00:24:13.870 Most of us are small and scrappy, 00:24:13.870 --> 00:24:17.170 and are doing this because we believe in the mission 00:24:17.170 --> 00:24:20.283 to make the world a better place one roof at a time. 00:24:21.190 --> 00:24:24.230 And after all, isn't that what we all strive to achieve, 00:24:24.230 --> 00:24:26.723 to make the world a better place for our kids? 00:24:27.830 --> 00:24:30.090 The proposed decision does the opposite, 00:24:30.090 --> 00:24:32.040 and it needs to be scrapped. 00:24:32.040 --> 00:24:33.690 Thank you for your consideration. 00:24:35.300 --> 00:24:36.133 Thank you. 00:24:36.133 --> 00:24:37.733 Operator, next caller, please. 00:24:39.670 --> 00:24:41.640 Our next caller is David Rinearson. 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:42.490 You may go ahead. 00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:44.313 Good morning. 00:24:44.313 --> 00:24:45.980 I'm David Rinearson from Huntington Beach. 00:24:45.980 --> 00:24:47.860 The utility argument that rooftop solar 00:24:47.860 --> 00:24:50.510 doesn't support the electrical grid is bogus. 00:24:50.510 --> 00:24:52.410 Solar provided enough power for the state 00:24:52.410 --> 00:24:55.510 to scale back more than 20 powerline projects in 2018 alone, 00:24:55.510 --> 00:24:59.510 saving 2.6 billion dollars for all ratepayers. 00:24:59.510 --> 00:25:02.070 And when my solar system produces (distorted audio) 00:25:02.070 --> 00:25:04.640 uncredited (distorted audio) per kilowatt hour, 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:06.350 the utility resells that power 00:25:06.350 --> 00:25:09.660 for 30 to 49 cents per kilowatt hour, 00:25:09.660 --> 00:25:12.680 a gross margin of between 20 and 96%. 00:25:12.680 --> 00:25:13.870 Under the NEM3 proposal, 00:25:13.870 --> 00:25:15.470 my credit would drop to 5 cents, 00:25:15.470 --> 00:25:20.060 and utility gross margin would jump to between 400 and 880%. 00:25:20.060 --> 00:25:21.870 In fact, my annual electric bill under NEM3 00:25:21.870 --> 00:25:23.950 would be about three quarters of the bill ahead 00:25:23.950 --> 00:25:26.170 before I installed solar. 00:25:26.170 --> 00:25:27.490 That's why a recent poll showed, 00:25:27.490 --> 00:25:29.190 that if NEM3 goes into effect, 00:25:29.190 --> 00:25:32.350 95% of Californians would not invest in rooftop solar, 00:25:32.350 --> 00:25:33.940 killing the industry overnight, 00:25:33.940 --> 00:25:37.675 and destroying 60 to 70,000 good paying green jobs. 00:25:37.675 --> 00:25:39.640 NEM3 only benefits the utilities, 00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:42.570 and the CPUC is supposed to be the public's watchdog. 00:25:42.570 --> 00:25:44.720 NEM3 is bad for the environment, 00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:45.890 bad for the solar industry, 00:25:45.890 --> 00:25:49.010 and an unfair breach of trust to existing solar users. 00:25:49.010 --> 00:25:50.413 I urge you to block it. 00:25:51.740 --> 00:25:52.780 Thank you. 00:25:52.780 --> 00:25:54.280 Operator, next caller, please. 00:25:58.330 --> 00:26:00.497 Our next caller is Charlotte Blake. 00:26:00.497 --> 00:26:01.673 You may go ahead. 00:26:03.090 --> 00:26:03.923 Good morning. 00:26:03.923 --> 00:26:04.840 My name is Charlotte Blake, 00:26:04.840 --> 00:26:06.490 and I work for Blue Planet Energy, 00:26:06.490 --> 00:26:09.730 and I've been employed in the solar industry for 13 years. 00:26:09.730 --> 00:26:13.260 We need the CPUC to reject the current proposed NEM 3.0 00:26:13.260 --> 00:26:15.700 to protect solar growth in California. 00:26:15.700 --> 00:26:19.680 The most cost effective way to get a decarbonized grid 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:23.240 is with robust deployment of distributed energy resources, 00:26:23.240 --> 00:26:24.700 and the investor-owned utilities 00:26:24.700 --> 00:26:28.210 should be prioritizing lower rates to make electrification 00:26:28.210 --> 00:26:31.000 an equitable, fair option for California. 00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:34.360 Local resilience is key for community strength and wellness. 00:26:34.360 --> 00:26:35.670 Thank you so much for your time, 00:26:35.670 --> 00:26:38.573 and for helping California live a sustainable future. 00:26:40.130 --> 00:26:40.963 Thank you. 00:26:40.963 --> 00:26:42.740 Operator, next caller, please. 00:26:44.310 --> 00:26:46.270 Our next caller is Anne Revere. 00:26:46.270 --> 00:26:47.120 You may go ahead. 00:26:48.900 --> 00:26:49.733 Thank you. 00:26:49.733 --> 00:26:52.300 My name is Anne Revere in San Francisco, 00:26:52.300 --> 00:26:54.240 and I am a consumer, 00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:59.240 and I paid nearly $16,000 in 2017 for eight solar panels. 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:02.220 My main goal was to help the planet. 00:27:02.220 --> 00:27:05.130 I produce 100% of the energy I use, 00:27:05.130 --> 00:27:07.810 and send some back to the grid. 00:27:07.810 --> 00:27:11.810 I want all Californians in the planet to benefit from solar, 00:27:11.810 --> 00:27:14.940 but not at the expense of those who went first. 00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:17.670 The proposed plan seems to make it harder 00:27:17.670 --> 00:27:20.780 and more expensive for new solar owners. 00:27:20.780 --> 00:27:24.320 I hope the CPUC will develop a plan that is fair 00:27:24.320 --> 00:27:26.290 and balanced for the poor, 00:27:26.290 --> 00:27:29.690 and for those who can afford to buy solar energy. 00:27:29.690 --> 00:27:31.093 Thank you very much. 00:27:32.060 --> 00:27:32.893 Thank you. 00:27:32.893 --> 00:27:34.340 Operator, next caller, please. 00:27:36.270 --> 00:27:38.010 Our next caller is Nick Peterson. 00:27:38.010 --> 00:27:39.033 You may go ahead. 00:27:41.690 --> 00:27:43.170 Hi, I live in Albany, California 00:27:43.170 --> 00:27:46.370 in the PG&E service area, and I'm a NEM2 customer. 00:27:46.370 --> 00:27:50.470 The CPUC preliminary decision NEM3 is regressive 00:27:50.470 --> 00:27:52.020 and environmentally dangerous. 00:27:52.020 --> 00:27:54.890 It throws well-meaning Californians under the bus, 00:27:54.890 --> 00:27:57.860 along with the entire fledgling solar rooftop industry, 00:27:57.860 --> 00:28:01.090 in order to further entrench an outdated status quo 00:28:01.090 --> 00:28:04.970 electrical power system and its monopolistic corporations, 00:28:04.970 --> 00:28:07.760 while hiding behind a false claim of a rate shift. 00:28:07.760 --> 00:28:10.160 The most egregious rate shift is 00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:11.850 from the pocketbooks of Californians, 00:28:11.850 --> 00:28:13.210 especially low income Californians, 00:28:13.210 --> 00:28:15.990 to the bank accounts of investor-owned utility shareholders 00:28:15.990 --> 00:28:17.350 and corporate executives. 00:28:17.350 --> 00:28:19.120 This has got to stop! 00:28:19.120 --> 00:28:21.090 NEM changes need to be made, 00:28:21.090 --> 00:28:22.570 but not in the manner... 00:28:23.700 --> 00:28:26.370 The CPUC must go back to the drawing board 00:28:26.370 --> 00:28:28.950 with the support of the Governor and the state legislature, 00:28:28.950 --> 00:28:31.530 and created a holistic approach that supports 00:28:31.530 --> 00:28:34.270 and encourages private citizens to use their own resources 00:28:34.270 --> 00:28:36.750 to significantly address climate change using solar. 00:28:36.750 --> 00:28:38.630 We are the fifth largest economy in the world. 00:28:38.630 --> 00:28:41.670 We have the capacity to massively roll out 00:28:41.670 --> 00:28:43.310 sustainable energy on all fronts, 00:28:43.310 --> 00:28:46.500 not just through the monopolistic, profit-loaded utilities. 00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:47.457 You need to show 00:28:47.457 --> 00:28:48.492 the people of California, (bell dinging) 00:28:48.492 --> 00:28:49.325 that you have heard us, 00:28:49.325 --> 00:28:50.733 and stop the- Thank you very much. 00:28:50.733 --> 00:28:52.000 From doing the right thing. 00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:53.880 Sorry, we need to move to the next caller. 00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:56.323 Operator, next caller, please. 00:28:58.600 --> 00:29:00.450 Our next caller is Tyler Crossno. 00:29:00.450 --> 00:29:01.300 You may go ahead. 00:29:03.005 --> 00:29:03.990 Hello, Commissioners. 00:29:03.990 --> 00:29:04.847 My name is Tyler Crossno, 00:29:04.847 --> 00:29:07.210 and I work for Revel Energy in Irvine. 00:29:07.210 --> 00:29:08.900 First, I'd like to thank you all for listening 00:29:08.900 --> 00:29:10.990 to the many comments presented today. 00:29:10.990 --> 00:29:12.930 I've only been in the solar industry for two years, 00:29:12.930 --> 00:29:14.830 but the passion on display in this meeting 00:29:14.830 --> 00:29:16.610 clearly shows how egregious 00:29:16.610 --> 00:29:19.210 the current proposed decision is. 00:29:19.210 --> 00:29:20.330 I grew up here in California, 00:29:20.330 --> 00:29:21.490 learning about solar power 00:29:21.490 --> 00:29:23.350 and sustainability in elementary school, 00:29:23.350 --> 00:29:25.230 how our state can uniquely take advantage 00:29:25.230 --> 00:29:26.960 of all these sunny days. 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:29.860 California has grown into a model for sustainability, 00:29:29.860 --> 00:29:31.620 but these changes to net energy metering 00:29:31.620 --> 00:29:34.240 are not sustainable, nor reasonable. 00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:36.670 Committee, I implore you to please 00:29:36.670 --> 00:29:38.710 reconsider this proposed decision. 00:29:38.710 --> 00:29:40.630 Thank you for your time. 00:29:40.630 --> 00:29:41.463 Thank you. 00:29:41.463 --> 00:29:43.163 Operator, next caller, please. 00:29:48.526 --> 00:29:50.000 Nailed it! Our next caller 00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:51.500 is Jeff Howard. 00:29:51.500 --> 00:29:52.350 You may go ahead. 00:29:55.350 --> 00:29:56.360 Good morning, Commissioners. 00:29:56.360 --> 00:29:57.193 Jeff Howard. 00:29:57.193 --> 00:29:58.900 I live in Visalia, California. 00:29:58.900 --> 00:30:00.970 On a side note, with Black History Month, 00:30:00.970 --> 00:30:04.090 I hope you'll hear about a man named Edmond Wysinger, 00:30:04.090 --> 00:30:07.530 who's from Visalia, who was a slave, 00:30:07.530 --> 00:30:09.680 and he won a legal challenge 00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:11.980 in the California State Supreme Court 00:30:11.980 --> 00:30:15.920 to be able to send his son to White schools here in Visalia. 00:30:15.920 --> 00:30:17.730 Hope you'll learn more about that. 00:30:17.730 --> 00:30:19.950 I work for a company called Kuubix Energy. 00:30:19.950 --> 00:30:22.170 We have almost 500 employees, 00:30:22.170 --> 00:30:23.280 and the three founders 00:30:23.280 --> 00:30:25.340 started this company right here in Visalia, 00:30:25.340 --> 00:30:26.880 which is in Central California. 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:30.170 If you've ever seen the movie, "McFarland, USA", 00:30:30.170 --> 00:30:31.070 those are my people. 00:30:31.070 --> 00:30:32.930 That's right around the corner. 00:30:32.930 --> 00:30:35.183 And that's what life is like here. 00:30:35.183 --> 00:30:38.120 I have solar coworkers who worked in the fields 00:30:38.120 --> 00:30:41.010 before joining this company. 00:30:41.010 --> 00:30:43.240 We install solar on their homes, 00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:44.960 on the average individual's homes, 00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:47.140 and in those neighborhoods that help 00:30:47.140 --> 00:30:51.740 the average Californian offset very expensive utility bills. 00:30:51.740 --> 00:30:53.560 I switched from the fuel industry 00:30:53.560 --> 00:30:55.590 after 11 years to come to solar, 00:30:55.590 --> 00:30:58.440 because renewable was supposed to be sustainable, 00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:00.940 and a secure industry in California. 00:31:00.940 --> 00:31:01.850 On a personal note, 00:31:01.850 --> 00:31:05.530 I'm the sole provider for my wife and four children, 00:31:05.530 --> 00:31:07.900 from senior down to fifth grade. 00:31:07.900 --> 00:31:10.150 We're a low margin business. 00:31:10.150 --> 00:31:13.810 Please think about my job, my family, my coworkers, 00:31:13.810 --> 00:31:17.140 as I previously described, and their families, 00:31:17.140 --> 00:31:21.560 when you vote, and please, please reject this proposal. 00:31:21.560 --> 00:31:23.953 Thank you. (bell dinging) 00:31:23.953 --> 00:31:24.786 Thank you. 00:31:24.786 --> 00:31:26.313 Operator, next caller, please. 00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:30.370 Our next caller is Jeff Spies. 00:31:30.370 --> 00:31:31.940 You may go ahead. 00:31:31.940 --> 00:31:32.773 Yes, good morning. 00:31:32.773 --> 00:31:33.606 My name's Jeff Spies. 00:31:33.606 --> 00:31:35.320 I'm the president of Planet Plan Sets. 00:31:35.320 --> 00:31:39.030 We're a solar drafting company based in Anaheim, California. 00:31:39.030 --> 00:31:40.210 And I've worked in the California 00:31:40.210 --> 00:31:42.600 solar industry for 15 years. 00:31:42.600 --> 00:31:46.000 The NEM3 utility proposals are based on misinformation. 00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:47.600 They argue, the utilities argue, 00:31:47.600 --> 00:31:51.160 they can supply solar power with solar farms in the desert, 00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:54.600 but they ignore the massive cost to upgrade the wires 00:31:54.600 --> 00:31:56.570 that get that power to our neighborhoods 00:31:56.570 --> 00:31:58.170 from hundreds of miles away. 00:31:58.170 --> 00:32:00.740 Distributed generation, which we call rooftop solar, 00:32:00.740 --> 00:32:03.440 is a more cost effective option than grid power, 00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:07.700 if you look at the true cost benefit. 00:32:07.700 --> 00:32:10.250 We need consumers to be provided a fair rate structure 00:32:10.250 --> 00:32:14.390 that assesses this cost benefit to the grid properly. 00:32:14.390 --> 00:32:16.830 I respectfully request the Commission reject 00:32:16.830 --> 00:32:18.800 this disastrous NEM3 proposal. 00:32:18.800 --> 00:32:20.260 Thank you. 00:32:20.260 --> 00:32:21.250 Thank you. 00:32:21.250 --> 00:32:22.750 Operator, next caller, please. 00:32:25.100 --> 00:32:28.460 Our next caller is Rebecca Vartineck. 00:32:28.460 --> 00:32:29.410 You may I go ahead. 00:32:30.660 --> 00:32:32.550 Hi, I live in Menlo Park. 00:32:32.550 --> 00:32:34.350 I'm opposed to decisions 00:32:34.350 --> 00:32:37.120 to further tax installed solar panels. 00:32:37.120 --> 00:32:38.180 We need to make solar 00:32:38.180 --> 00:32:41.270 and battery installations more affordable, not less, 00:32:41.270 --> 00:32:43.910 for all energy users in California. 00:32:43.910 --> 00:32:45.320 Privately owned solar systems 00:32:45.320 --> 00:32:47.430 should be considered a truly important 00:32:47.430 --> 00:32:49.800 and valuable resource for supplementing power, 00:32:49.800 --> 00:32:53.080 versus buying power from out of state, higher priced, 00:32:53.080 --> 00:32:55.250 and offer higher polluting sources. 00:32:55.250 --> 00:32:57.800 California should be a leader in the United States, 00:32:57.800 --> 00:32:59.610 and the world, for that matter, 00:32:59.610 --> 00:33:01.680 for encouraging solar collection systems 00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:02.890 on all of our structures, 00:33:02.890 --> 00:33:05.380 homes, businesses, et cetera. 00:33:05.380 --> 00:33:08.620 Net metering makes home systems much more affordable 00:33:08.620 --> 00:33:11.540 for people to put solar on all feasible structures. 00:33:11.540 --> 00:33:13.780 This in turn provides power which is cleaner 00:33:13.780 --> 00:33:15.250 and more affordable for all. 00:33:15.250 --> 00:33:18.380 And finally, California needs to honor its commitment 00:33:18.380 --> 00:33:20.450 to current net metering customers, 00:33:20.450 --> 00:33:23.620 and to extend that to future solar installations. 00:33:23.620 --> 00:33:25.040 Thank you. 00:33:25.040 --> 00:33:25.930 Thank you. 00:33:25.930 --> 00:33:27.430 Operator, next caller, please. 00:33:29.860 --> 00:33:32.890 Our next caller is Ben Bellacheski. 00:33:32.890 --> 00:33:33.883 You may go ahead. 00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:40.440 Hi, my name is Ben Dellaheski, 00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:43.090 and I live in San Jose, California. 00:33:43.090 --> 00:33:45.950 I oppose the proposed NEM3 decision, 00:33:45.950 --> 00:33:49.053 because it is a major step backwards on clean energy. 00:33:50.030 --> 00:33:54.060 California is supposed to be a leader in sustainability, 00:33:54.060 --> 00:33:57.200 and Californians wanna be able to do their part 00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:59.500 to protect the environment. 00:33:59.500 --> 00:34:02.740 This decision will make solar unaffordable 00:34:02.740 --> 00:34:04.233 for most people in the state. 00:34:05.350 --> 00:34:08.240 The state should be making it easier 00:34:08.240 --> 00:34:12.380 for people to add solar to their homes and businesses, 00:34:12.380 --> 00:34:13.963 and not penalize them for it. 00:34:15.220 --> 00:34:17.860 We need to remove solar taxes, 00:34:17.860 --> 00:34:21.220 make solar more accessible to all Californians, 00:34:21.220 --> 00:34:24.490 and protect existing solar users. 00:34:24.490 --> 00:34:26.010 Thank you. 00:34:26.010 --> 00:34:26.970 Thank you. 00:34:26.970 --> 00:34:28.800 Operator, next caller, please. 00:34:30.600 --> 00:34:32.260 Our next caller is Erik Sattler. 00:34:32.260 --> 00:34:33.110 You may go ahead. 00:34:35.450 --> 00:34:36.630 Hi, my name is Erik Sattler. 00:34:36.630 --> 00:34:38.390 I'm the founder of Sattler Solar, 00:34:38.390 --> 00:34:41.640 a San Diego-based small business solar contractor. 00:34:41.640 --> 00:34:43.950 I started my business six years ago 00:34:43.950 --> 00:34:46.180 to be part of a solution, 00:34:46.180 --> 00:34:49.090 to be part of a sustainable energy future for all. 00:34:49.090 --> 00:34:54.090 Net Metering 3.0 will take away 95% of the market. 00:34:54.350 --> 00:34:57.120 It will be disastrous for our customer base, 00:34:57.120 --> 00:34:59.623 for our employees, and for my family. 00:35:00.492 --> 00:35:02.590 Let us continue to have a positive impact 00:35:02.590 --> 00:35:05.170 one roof at a time. 00:35:05.170 --> 00:35:06.400 Thank you. 00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:07.690 Thank you. 00:35:07.690 --> 00:35:09.190 Operator, next caller, please. 00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:21.900 Our next caller is Dustin Dunaway. 00:35:21.900 --> 00:35:22.750 You may go ahead. 00:35:24.730 --> 00:35:26.210 Hi, my name's Dustin Dunaway. 00:35:26.210 --> 00:35:29.060 I'm a co-founder of HDM Renewable Finance. 00:35:29.060 --> 00:35:31.580 I've been in solar for 12-plus years. 00:35:31.580 --> 00:35:33.130 Called in today asking you to reject 00:35:33.130 --> 00:35:37.040 the current proposal NEM 3.0. 00:35:37.040 --> 00:35:40.640 HDM provides a finance product that helps lower income, 00:35:40.640 --> 00:35:43.180 fixed income, and nonprofits. 00:35:43.180 --> 00:35:45.080 We're targeting 30 to 40 megawatts of solar 00:35:45.080 --> 00:35:47.220 in California this year, 00:35:47.220 --> 00:35:49.700 again, for nonprofit and low income. 00:35:49.700 --> 00:35:51.280 Types of organizations that we're helping go solar 00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:55.180 and save money: schools, houses of warships, church camps, 00:35:55.180 --> 00:35:57.350 hospice centers, youth and community centers, 00:35:57.350 --> 00:35:59.570 recovery centers, mental health facilities. 00:35:59.570 --> 00:36:02.060 These are the type of the organizations that, 00:36:02.060 --> 00:36:02.930 when they save that money, 00:36:02.930 --> 00:36:05.200 they put it right back into our community. 00:36:05.200 --> 00:36:07.430 And I'm hoping that we can reject this proposal, 00:36:07.430 --> 00:36:09.510 'cause, most likely, all these will fall out of the process, 00:36:09.510 --> 00:36:11.480 and not get installed. 00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:13.580 Thanks and have a great day. 00:36:13.580 --> 00:36:14.440 Thank you. 00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:15.893 Operator, next caller please. 00:36:17.750 --> 00:36:19.560 Our next caller is Frank Scotti. 00:36:19.560 --> 00:36:20.410 You may go ahead. 00:36:23.390 --> 00:36:25.130 Hello, Commissioners. 00:36:25.130 --> 00:36:27.050 Please reject NEM 3.0. 00:36:27.050 --> 00:36:29.568 My name is Frank Scotti with Solarponics. 00:36:29.568 --> 00:36:32.310 We're a solar installer on the Central Coast. 00:36:32.310 --> 00:36:34.960 We were founded in 1975. 00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:38.240 I installed solar on my personal home in 2008. 00:36:38.240 --> 00:36:40.970 And at that time, I believes so strongly in solar 00:36:40.970 --> 00:36:42.660 that I actually switched careers, 00:36:42.660 --> 00:36:45.480 and joined Solarponics in 2012. 00:36:45.480 --> 00:36:48.870 That year, we installed, I think, 27 PB jobs. 00:36:48.870 --> 00:36:51.930 Last year, we installed 270. 00:36:51.930 --> 00:36:53.480 We employed 45 people, 00:36:53.480 --> 00:36:54.777 and they're people just like me, 00:36:54.777 --> 00:36:57.980 who can't really see ourselves doing anything else. 00:36:57.980 --> 00:36:59.780 We shouldn't be here discussing 00:36:59.780 --> 00:37:02.600 how many of us may lose our jobs. 00:37:02.600 --> 00:37:04.810 We should really be celebrating our accomplishments 00:37:04.810 --> 00:37:07.460 and all we've done together, and move forward. 00:37:07.460 --> 00:37:10.110 So please do not approve NEM 3.0. 00:37:10.110 --> 00:37:11.597 Please save our jobs, 00:37:11.597 --> 00:37:13.835 and really, please save our legacy. 00:37:13.835 --> 00:37:15.166 Thank you. 00:37:15.166 --> 00:37:16.190 Thank you. 00:37:16.190 --> 00:37:17.733 Operator, next caller please. 00:37:21.300 --> 00:37:23.450 Our next caller is Steve Pariani. 00:37:23.450 --> 00:37:24.300 You may go ahead. 00:37:26.030 --> 00:37:27.173 Hello, can you hear me? 00:37:28.050 --> 00:37:29.306 Yes, we can. Hello? 00:37:29.306 --> 00:37:30.320 Please proceed. Okay, great. 00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:31.153 Yes, we can hear you. Hello, 00:37:31.153 --> 00:37:31.986 my name's Steve Pariani, 00:37:31.986 --> 00:37:33.760 and I've been working in the solar industry 00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:34.963 for eight years now. 00:37:34.963 --> 00:37:36.890 When I started my own solar company, 00:37:36.890 --> 00:37:39.360 Solar Pro Energy Systems, about five years ago, 00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:41.180 I did so to support my family, 00:37:41.180 --> 00:37:43.970 but also to do my part in fighting climate change. 00:37:43.970 --> 00:37:45.537 I install solar power on people's homes 00:37:45.537 --> 00:37:48.300 and businesses to feed my wife and four children, 00:37:48.300 --> 00:37:50.930 but also, to create a better future for all of them, 00:37:50.930 --> 00:37:52.720 and all of Californians. 00:37:52.720 --> 00:37:54.350 The proposed decision facing you today 00:37:54.350 --> 00:37:56.060 would put Solar Pro out of business, 00:37:56.060 --> 00:37:59.407 and my workers, me, and thousands like us out of our jobs. 00:37:59.407 --> 00:38:01.680 The utility companies would like you to believe 00:38:01.680 --> 00:38:04.600 that standard ratepayers are subsidizing solar customers, 00:38:04.600 --> 00:38:07.300 because they can't raise solar homeowner's rates. 00:38:07.300 --> 00:38:09.990 The truth is, that rate increases on anyone 00:38:09.990 --> 00:38:12.470 are actually subsidizing PG&E's bankruptcy 00:38:12.470 --> 00:38:14.720 and lawsuits to their decades of neglect 00:38:14.720 --> 00:38:16.660 and wildfires they have caused. 00:38:16.660 --> 00:38:18.100 So my question to you is, 00:38:18.100 --> 00:38:19.500 why should those who have installed 00:38:19.500 --> 00:38:21.390 solar panels to fight climate change 00:38:21.390 --> 00:38:23.420 be taxed to subsidize the fossil fuel 00:38:23.420 --> 00:38:26.250 burning utility companies who are causing it? 00:38:26.250 --> 00:38:28.100 Please reject the proposed decision. 00:38:28.100 --> 00:38:30.230 Start from scratch to protect our jobs, 00:38:30.230 --> 00:38:31.997 and a greener feature for all of California. 00:38:31.997 --> 00:38:34.120 Thank you for your time. 00:38:34.120 --> 00:38:34.953 Thank you. 00:38:34.953 --> 00:38:36.370 Operator, next caller, please. 00:38:40.120 --> 00:38:45.120 Our next caller is Ernesto Montenero. 00:38:45.370 --> 00:38:46.220 You may go ahead. 00:38:47.560 --> 00:38:48.393 Good morning. 00:38:48.393 --> 00:38:50.647 My name is Ernesto Montenero, 00:38:51.590 --> 00:38:54.363 operations manager at Sustainable Technologies, 00:38:54.363 --> 00:38:58.010 a 22-year-old company in Alameda, California. 00:38:58.010 --> 00:39:01.260 We mostly work with the small farmers, 00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:04.270 building solar systems to make their operations 00:39:04.270 --> 00:39:09.270 more sustainable and more cost effective. 00:39:13.560 --> 00:39:16.300 I could say, that this proposed NEM3, 00:39:19.740 --> 00:39:24.740 basically, will make it impossible for farmers 00:39:26.190 --> 00:39:30.343 to really go solar. 00:39:31.850 --> 00:39:34.950 And also, I represent all the workers here 00:39:34.950 --> 00:39:36.450 at Sustainable Technologies 00:39:36.450 --> 00:39:41.450 that have been with me for 20 years, most of them, 00:39:41.900 --> 00:39:44.653 and they all have really good jobs, 00:39:45.780 --> 00:39:47.833 and they're all very concerned. 00:39:48.880 --> 00:39:53.880 I urge you to tax the PG&E, and not tax solar. 00:39:55.200 --> 00:39:59.392 We need to install more solar systems, not less. 00:39:59.392 --> 00:40:01.560 (bell dinging) 00:40:01.560 --> 00:40:03.080 Thank you very much. 00:40:03.080 --> 00:40:04.580 Operator, next caller, please. 00:40:08.450 --> 00:40:10.740 Our next caller is Chris Connolly. 00:40:10.740 --> 00:40:11.743 You may go ahead. 00:40:13.240 --> 00:40:14.269 Thanks. 00:40:14.269 --> 00:40:15.102 I'm Chris Connolly. 00:40:15.102 --> 00:40:17.700 My comment is about the proposed decision for NEM3. 00:40:17.700 --> 00:40:18.910 I'm a solar project developer 00:40:18.910 --> 00:40:22.050 at Centrica Business Solutions in San Francisco. 00:40:22.050 --> 00:40:25.090 11 years ago, I moved into a career in solar, 00:40:25.090 --> 00:40:28.183 because I needed my work life to mean something. 00:40:29.550 --> 00:40:31.970 The existential threat of climate change 00:40:31.970 --> 00:40:34.030 is paralyzing to an individual, 00:40:34.030 --> 00:40:37.113 and addressing it requires a huge collective effort. 00:40:38.300 --> 00:40:40.310 So working in solar, at the end of each day, 00:40:40.310 --> 00:40:43.173 I know my hard work is in direct service of that mission. 00:40:44.240 --> 00:40:47.020 A strong California solar industry 00:40:47.020 --> 00:40:48.640 is one of America's critical tools 00:40:48.640 --> 00:40:50.240 to reach our clean energy goals. 00:40:51.097 --> 00:40:52.733 "Our" clean energy goals! 00:40:54.100 --> 00:40:55.620 When we desperately need policies 00:40:55.620 --> 00:40:57.580 that expand and support solar, 00:40:57.580 --> 00:41:00.490 the proposed decision is a baffling setback, 00:41:00.490 --> 00:41:02.990 and I strongly urge the Commission to reject it. 00:41:02.990 --> 00:41:04.640 Thank you. 00:41:04.640 --> 00:41:05.540 Thank you. 00:41:05.540 --> 00:41:07.240 Operator, our next caller, please. 00:41:09.690 --> 00:41:12.320 Our next caller is Mark Byington. 00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:13.443 You may go ahead. 00:41:14.410 --> 00:41:15.647 My name is Mark Byington. 00:41:15.647 --> 00:41:18.490 I'm the president of Cobalt Power Systems. 00:41:18.490 --> 00:41:20.400 Cobalt has 80 employees, 00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:21.700 and we have been doing solar 00:41:21.700 --> 00:41:24.590 and energy storage for over 18 years. 00:41:24.590 --> 00:41:27.890 We urgently ask you to reject the proposed decision. 00:41:27.890 --> 00:41:30.360 It will decimate the solar industry. 00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:32.810 It will kill our jobs, our livelihood, 00:41:32.810 --> 00:41:34.630 and possibly our company. 00:41:34.630 --> 00:41:36.460 It will make solar unaffordable 00:41:36.460 --> 00:41:39.070 and financially unattractive. 00:41:39.070 --> 00:41:41.090 This is the opposite of what you should be doing 00:41:41.090 --> 00:41:42.600 as public policy. 00:41:42.600 --> 00:41:44.360 Solar is mission-critical 00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:47.100 to reducing our reliance on fossil fuels 00:41:47.100 --> 00:41:49.680 that are causing serious climate change. 00:41:49.680 --> 00:41:51.550 I'm sorry if distributed solar 00:41:51.550 --> 00:41:53.730 is inconvenient for the utilities, 00:41:53.730 --> 00:41:56.060 but it is right for the planet. 00:41:56.060 --> 00:41:57.890 If the CPUC moves forward 00:41:57.890 --> 00:42:00.340 with anything like the proposed decision, 00:42:00.340 --> 00:42:04.150 I believe you will come down on the wrong side of history. 00:42:04.150 --> 00:42:06.710 People in California want to install solar 00:42:06.710 --> 00:42:08.050 and energy storage. 00:42:08.050 --> 00:42:10.270 You should reject the proposed decision 00:42:10.270 --> 00:42:12.760 as bad policy for California. 00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:14.180 Thank you. 00:42:14.180 --> 00:42:15.013 Thank you. 00:42:15.013 --> 00:42:16.320 Operator, next caller, please. 00:42:18.841 --> 00:42:21.190 Our next caller is George Valenza. 00:42:21.190 --> 00:42:22.040 You may go ahead. 00:42:26.140 --> 00:42:27.890 Actually, it's Tor Valenza. 00:42:29.640 --> 00:42:31.190 My name is Tor Valenza, as I said, 00:42:31.190 --> 00:42:34.573 and I'm from UnThink Solar based in Oakland, California. 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:38.297 I've worked in the solar industry for 13 years, 00:42:38.297 --> 00:42:40.270 and I've met people rich 00:42:40.270 --> 00:42:43.980 and poor who've worked in solar, and gone solar, 00:42:43.980 --> 00:42:46.110 and we all think that solar is magic. 00:42:46.110 --> 00:42:48.870 I mean, the sun shines on their roof, 00:42:48.870 --> 00:42:51.370 and it creates electricity. 00:42:51.370 --> 00:42:52.570 It's amazing. 00:42:52.570 --> 00:42:56.820 But this NEM 3.0 proposal that you're considering right now, 00:42:56.820 --> 00:42:59.000 it's gonna take that magic away from them. 00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:03.320 You're going to ignore numerous value of solar studies 00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:04.880 that show that rooftop solar 00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:08.510 defrays utility infrastructure costs for everyone, 00:43:08.510 --> 00:43:11.770 poor people, rich people, 00:43:11.770 --> 00:43:13.810 everyone who's connected to the grid. 00:43:13.810 --> 00:43:17.310 And then you're gonna wave your magic CPUC wand, 00:43:17.310 --> 00:43:19.400 and kill thousands of solar jobs, 00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:22.510 just like it happened in Nevada and Hawaii 00:43:22.510 --> 00:43:24.390 when they got net metering. 00:43:24.390 --> 00:43:27.170 And I urged you to look at those regions again, 00:43:27.170 --> 00:43:29.110 see what happened to the jobs, 00:43:29.110 --> 00:43:31.520 and what it did for the grid. 00:43:31.520 --> 00:43:32.353 So, you know, 00:43:32.353 --> 00:43:36.640 distribute clean power- (bell dinging) 00:43:36.640 --> 00:43:38.200 Thank you very much. 00:43:38.200 --> 00:43:39.793 Operator, next caller, please. 00:43:43.180 --> 00:43:44.790 Our next caller is Jeff Baker. 00:43:44.790 --> 00:43:45.640 You may go ahead. 00:43:47.770 --> 00:43:48.720 Hello, Commissioners. 00:43:48.720 --> 00:43:51.830 My name is Jeff Baker, and I live in Santa Rosa. 00:43:51.830 --> 00:43:53.360 Although we are not wealthy, 00:43:53.360 --> 00:43:56.850 my wife and I decided to install rooftop solar 00:43:56.850 --> 00:43:58.900 and batteries in 2020. 00:43:58.900 --> 00:44:01.750 The main reason we did it was not to save money, 00:44:01.750 --> 00:44:03.860 but to help save the planet. 00:44:03.860 --> 00:44:06.370 After spending over $30,000, 00:44:06.370 --> 00:44:09.560 last year's rebate was less than $300. 00:44:09.560 --> 00:44:12.060 Still, we were happy to contribute 00:44:12.060 --> 00:44:15.140 knowing how beneficial and necessary it is. 00:44:15.140 --> 00:44:18.820 Reducing carbon emissions by using sustainable energy 00:44:18.820 --> 00:44:20.810 seems incredibly important, 00:44:20.810 --> 00:44:23.163 as our planet is warming at alarming rates 00:44:23.163 --> 00:44:26.040 due to the burning of fossil fuels. 00:44:26.040 --> 00:44:29.690 We are concerned for our children and our grandchildren, 00:44:29.690 --> 00:44:33.100 as well as all the other forms of life on this planet. 00:44:33.100 --> 00:44:35.430 Please do not take away the incentive 00:44:35.430 --> 00:44:37.660 for people to do the right thing. 00:44:37.660 --> 00:44:39.680 Please reject this proposal 00:44:39.680 --> 00:44:43.007 as bad policy for California and the Earth. 00:44:43.007 --> 00:44:45.369 Thank you, Commissioners. 00:44:45.369 --> 00:44:46.410 Thank you. 00:44:46.410 --> 00:44:47.910 Operator, next caller, please. 00:44:50.620 --> 00:44:52.460 Our next caller is Roger Williams. 00:44:52.460 --> 00:44:53.310 You may go ahead. 00:44:55.490 --> 00:44:56.927 Good morning, Commissioners. 00:44:56.927 --> 00:44:59.700 Thank you for the chance to speak. 00:44:59.700 --> 00:45:01.390 My name is Roger Williams. 00:45:01.390 --> 00:45:03.930 I live in Fairfax, California. 00:45:03.930 --> 00:45:07.180 20 years ago, I began doing PV in California, 00:45:07.180 --> 00:45:10.400 primarily in the East Bay around Oakland. 00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:13.450 I moved to California to get work in the solar industry. 00:45:13.450 --> 00:45:15.870 It was basically the only place 00:45:15.870 --> 00:45:17.933 you could get work in the US. 00:45:18.870 --> 00:45:22.900 Now, I'm concerned that I'm gonna have to leave California 00:45:22.900 --> 00:45:25.370 because of the proposed decision. 00:45:25.370 --> 00:45:28.440 I and thousands of others may have to leave 00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:32.690 to continue doing the work they love in the solar industry. 00:45:32.690 --> 00:45:34.890 Personally, I know hundreds of people 00:45:34.890 --> 00:45:38.090 and their families who might lose their job 00:45:38.090 --> 00:45:42.660 and livelihood due to this proposed decision. 00:45:42.660 --> 00:45:45.920 I respectfully ask you to reconsider, 00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:47.910 and redo the proposed decision, 00:45:47.910 --> 00:45:50.780 so it does not benefit the IOUs. 00:45:50.780 --> 00:45:53.633 Thank you for your time on this beautiful, sunny day. 00:45:54.560 --> 00:45:55.790 Thank you. 00:45:55.790 --> 00:45:57.290 Operator, next caller, please. 00:45:59.040 --> 00:46:02.210 Our next caller is Jose Contreras. 00:46:02.210 --> 00:46:03.060 You may go ahead. 00:46:04.200 --> 00:46:06.020 Hi, my name is Jose Contreras. 00:46:06.020 --> 00:46:08.950 I'm the president of Solare Energy in San Diego. 00:46:08.950 --> 00:46:11.280 I have worked in the past as a consultant in energy 00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:12.680 and other industries. 00:46:12.680 --> 00:46:14.590 I'm calling to ask the Commissioners to reject 00:46:14.590 --> 00:46:17.840 an extremely flawed decision on net metering. 00:46:17.840 --> 00:46:20.490 First, it is bad, long-term planning. 00:46:20.490 --> 00:46:22.550 It is based on a very short-term model 00:46:22.550 --> 00:46:24.720 that looks at incremental cost benefits, 00:46:24.720 --> 00:46:27.708 and is not appropriate for long-term planning. 00:46:27.708 --> 00:46:31.030 Second, it increases long-term utility rates. 00:46:31.030 --> 00:46:32.870 We're looking at billions of dollars 00:46:32.870 --> 00:46:36.160 on transmission-related improvements and capacity. 00:46:36.160 --> 00:46:38.773 Re-distributed generation, including rooftop solar, 00:46:38.773 --> 00:46:41.160 will help reduce our reliance on transmission, 00:46:41.160 --> 00:46:44.710 and help us avoid future expenses. 00:46:44.710 --> 00:46:48.060 Third, it imposes taxes on solar customers, 00:46:48.060 --> 00:46:49.750 just because they are no longer using 00:46:49.750 --> 00:46:51.160 as much of the services. 00:46:51.160 --> 00:46:52.500 This is ridiculous! 00:46:52.500 --> 00:46:53.840 Not just in the business world, 00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:56.240 but in any regulated industry. 00:46:56.240 --> 00:46:57.437 The world is watching. 00:46:57.437 --> 00:46:59.960 Don't let utilities run this show. 00:46:59.960 --> 00:47:01.680 Keep California as a leader in the fight 00:47:01.680 --> 00:47:04.223 against climate change with sound energy policies. 00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:07.860 Thank you. 00:47:07.860 --> 00:47:09.710 Operator, next caller, please. 00:47:13.010 --> 00:47:14.760 Our next caller is Danny Pham. 00:47:14.760 --> 00:47:15.610 You may go ahead. 00:47:17.060 --> 00:47:18.730 Commissioners, thank you for your time. 00:47:18.730 --> 00:47:19.940 My name is Danny Pham. 00:47:19.940 --> 00:47:21.700 I am an electrical contractor 00:47:21.700 --> 00:47:24.540 and owner of Sungenix Energy in San Jose. 00:47:24.540 --> 00:47:27.680 I've been in the solar industry for over 13 years. 00:47:27.680 --> 00:47:29.220 Net energy metering has helped 00:47:29.220 --> 00:47:31.340 to drive the success of our industry 00:47:31.340 --> 00:47:33.610 by providing a means to fairly account for 00:47:33.610 --> 00:47:35.390 and credit the solar electricity 00:47:35.390 --> 00:47:38.210 generated by households and businesses. 00:47:38.210 --> 00:47:41.380 This electricity benefits everyone on the grid. 00:47:41.380 --> 00:47:43.940 The changes proposed now will completely gut 00:47:43.940 --> 00:47:46.070 the net energy metering program. 00:47:46.070 --> 00:47:48.380 The drastic evaluation of NEM credits 00:47:48.380 --> 00:47:50.600 and outrageous per kilowatt fees 00:47:50.600 --> 00:47:52.960 will have a devastating impact on me 00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:54.950 and countless other solar professionals 00:47:54.950 --> 00:47:58.210 and solar consumers who just want to do the right thing 00:47:58.210 --> 00:48:01.240 for our environment and for California's future. 00:48:01.240 --> 00:48:03.080 So I urge you to do the right thing, 00:48:03.080 --> 00:48:05.480 and reject this proposed decision. 00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:06.570 We have the technology 00:48:06.570 --> 00:48:08.870 and the means to make solar more affordable, 00:48:08.870 --> 00:48:11.090 more equitable, and more accessible. 00:48:11.090 --> 00:48:13.830 By attacking the very foundation of net metering 00:48:13.830 --> 00:48:16.350 is ill-conceived and is not the answer. 00:48:16.350 --> 00:48:17.640 It is wrong on all levels, 00:48:17.640 --> 00:48:19.613 and must not be allowed to pass. 00:48:21.660 --> 00:48:22.700 Thank you. 00:48:22.700 --> 00:48:24.223 Operator, next caller, please. 00:48:26.380 --> 00:48:28.270 Our next caller is Patricia Blevins. 00:48:28.270 --> 00:48:29.410 You may go ahead. 00:48:29.410 --> 00:48:31.060 Yes, my name is Patricia Blevins, 00:48:31.060 --> 00:48:32.350 and I live in San Jose. 00:48:32.350 --> 00:48:35.130 NEM 3.0 has been written to increase the profits 00:48:35.130 --> 00:48:37.920 of the felon, PG&E, and other big power companies 00:48:37.920 --> 00:48:40.450 at the expense of the public and the planet, 00:48:40.450 --> 00:48:43.040 which is out of step with California's clean energy goals. 00:48:43.040 --> 00:48:47.540 I respectfully ask the CPUC to vote against NEM 3.0. 00:48:47.540 --> 00:48:49.860 Long distance power lines and wildfire mitigation 00:48:49.860 --> 00:48:52.910 are what's actually driving up our electricity cost. 00:48:52.910 --> 00:48:55.300 Rooftop solar actually benefits all ratepayers 00:48:55.300 --> 00:48:57.230 by lowering cost, while also increasing 00:48:57.230 --> 00:48:59.140 the resilience of the electric grid. 00:48:59.140 --> 00:49:00.670 Low and middle income households 00:49:00.670 --> 00:49:03.470 account for almost 50% of installed systems. 00:49:03.470 --> 00:49:05.140 Additionally, over 2,000 schools 00:49:05.140 --> 00:49:08.130 and hundreds of churches are powered by solar panels. 00:49:08.130 --> 00:49:11.280 NEM 3.0 will make solar unaffordable for most people, 00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:13.360 and penalize those who have already sacrificed 00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:14.400 to install solar panels 00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:15.887 and batteries under NEM 1.0 and 2.0 00:49:17.110 --> 00:49:20.530 by changing the rules and adding costs they never agreed to. 00:49:20.530 --> 00:49:22.700 The CPUC should keep rooftop solar 00:49:22.700 --> 00:49:26.250 and battery storage growing by defeating NEM 3.0. 00:49:26.250 --> 00:49:27.790 Thank you. 00:49:27.790 --> 00:49:28.650 Thank you. 00:49:28.650 --> 00:49:30.420 Operator, next caller, please. 00:49:32.270 --> 00:49:34.620 Our next caller is Gerald Radberry. 00:49:34.620 --> 00:49:35.470 You may go ahead. 00:49:37.210 --> 00:49:39.650 Good morning, Commissioners. 00:49:39.650 --> 00:49:42.633 I'm a homeowner on the Mendocino Coast. 00:49:43.630 --> 00:49:47.250 I support NEM reform that increases the climate 00:49:47.250 --> 00:49:51.440 and grid benefits of customer-sited clean energy generation 00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:53.380 through rate structures that encourage 00:49:53.380 --> 00:49:56.320 and dispatch of solar-paired batteries 00:49:56.320 --> 00:49:58.630 during the day when an electrical grid is strained, 00:49:58.630 --> 00:50:01.240 and fossil fuel plants are most polluting, 00:50:01.240 --> 00:50:04.777 such as the reform recently enacted by the Sacramento MUD. 00:50:05.660 --> 00:50:09.310 In turn, I oppose the current CPUC proposal. 00:50:09.310 --> 00:50:11.970 Imposing fixed charges only on those customers 00:50:11.970 --> 00:50:13.970 who choose to install solar 00:50:13.970 --> 00:50:15.630 impinges on customer's right 00:50:15.630 --> 00:50:17.950 to self-generate their own energy, 00:50:17.950 --> 00:50:20.980 violates every tenant of regulatory fairness, 00:50:20.980 --> 00:50:23.820 and is likely illegal under federal law. 00:50:23.820 --> 00:50:27.180 Furthermore, the dramatic change from the current NEM policy 00:50:27.180 --> 00:50:31.710 will reduce customer adoption of clean energy in California 00:50:31.710 --> 00:50:33.350 at a time when more is needed 00:50:33.350 --> 00:50:34.827 to meet the state's climate goals, 00:50:34.827 --> 00:50:37.560 and to provide more energy resilience 00:50:37.560 --> 00:50:40.863 in the face of unprecedented wildfires and grid outages. 00:50:41.851 --> 00:50:44.310 (bell dinging) I urge the- 00:50:44.310 --> 00:50:45.250 Thank you very much. 00:50:45.250 --> 00:50:47.250 Operator, next caller, please. 00:50:50.370 --> 00:50:52.510 Our next caller is Karen Palestra. 00:50:52.510 --> 00:50:53.360 You may go ahead. 00:50:54.550 --> 00:50:55.383 Hi. 00:50:57.420 --> 00:50:58.820 My name is Karen Polestra. 00:50:58.820 --> 00:51:00.760 I'm a part owner of a small solar 00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:03.190 contracting business in San Diego County. 00:51:03.190 --> 00:51:06.810 I've been in the solar industries for 17 years. 00:51:06.810 --> 00:51:09.550 We started our company in 2007, 00:51:09.550 --> 00:51:11.140 and since that time, 00:51:11.140 --> 00:51:13.490 other family members have joined us full-time, 00:51:13.490 --> 00:51:15.490 and have made a commitment to the solar, 00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:19.660 to solar as an industry of the future, 00:51:19.660 --> 00:51:21.483 and to be part of the solution. 00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:26.000 The decision on NEM3 directly affects our future, 00:51:26.000 --> 00:51:27.100 our family's future, 00:51:27.100 --> 00:51:29.720 and that of our employee and their families. 00:51:29.720 --> 00:51:31.140 We are a small business, 00:51:31.140 --> 00:51:34.573 not billionaires to get rich, looking to get rich. 00:51:35.920 --> 00:51:38.090 The majority of the solar industry 00:51:38.090 --> 00:51:40.150 is comprised of medium-sized businesses, 00:51:40.150 --> 00:51:43.510 small businesses, and family owned contractors, like us. 00:51:43.510 --> 00:51:45.190 There is plenty of information out there 00:51:45.190 --> 00:51:47.530 that shows what the effect of similar decisions 00:51:47.530 --> 00:51:49.440 on the solar industry was, 00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:51.030 not only in neighboring states, 00:51:51.030 --> 00:51:53.950 but also in other California utility districts. 00:51:53.950 --> 00:51:56.860 I'm asking you to reject the proposal as it is written. 00:51:56.860 --> 00:51:58.440 Thank you. 00:51:58.440 --> 00:51:59.320 Thank you. 00:51:59.320 --> 00:52:00.923 Operator, next caller, please. 00:52:02.630 --> 00:52:04.740 Our next caller is James Michaels. 00:52:04.740 --> 00:52:05.590 You may go ahead. 00:52:07.070 --> 00:52:08.290 Hi, this... 00:52:08.290 --> 00:52:09.910 Can you hear me? 00:52:09.910 --> 00:52:11.380 Yes, we can. 00:52:11.380 --> 00:52:13.830 Okay, this comment is representing 00:52:13.830 --> 00:52:17.870 Alternative Energy Systems out of Chico, California. 00:52:17.870 --> 00:52:19.570 We live in Northern California, 00:52:19.570 --> 00:52:23.600 which is ground zero for utility-sparked wildfires, 00:52:23.600 --> 00:52:26.340 like the Camp Fire and the Dixie Fire. 00:52:26.340 --> 00:52:29.750 Many of our employees lost their homes in these fires, 00:52:29.750 --> 00:52:31.363 and we were all affected. 00:52:32.200 --> 00:52:34.610 This place will never be the same. 00:52:34.610 --> 00:52:37.830 These fires were caused by utility negligence, 00:52:37.830 --> 00:52:40.500 and the fact that PG&E burned our houses, 00:52:40.500 --> 00:52:43.650 and now they wanna shut down our company and take our jobs, 00:52:43.650 --> 00:52:48.650 because we're their only competition is unbelievable. 00:52:48.950 --> 00:52:51.810 The proposed decision will empower this negligence, 00:52:51.810 --> 00:52:54.160 and hurt much needed innovation. 00:52:54.160 --> 00:52:56.760 Reports that solar... 00:52:56.760 --> 00:52:59.000 Reports that solar hurts the grid 00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:03.980 and only favors the wealthy are outdated and inaccurate. 00:53:03.980 --> 00:53:07.890 We need innovation in clean energy for accessibility, 00:53:07.890 --> 00:53:10.560 and job creation, not regression. 00:53:10.560 --> 00:53:14.010 We need a reasonable, common sense approach 00:53:14.010 --> 00:53:15.830 to this transition, (bell dinging) 00:53:15.830 --> 00:53:18.081 like CalSSA has proposed. Thank you very much 00:53:18.081 --> 00:53:21.350 Thank you very much. for your comments. 00:53:21.350 --> 00:53:22.913 Operator, next caller, please. 00:53:25.640 --> 00:53:27.280 Our next caller is Zach Sharpe. 00:53:27.280 --> 00:53:28.617 You may go ahead. 00:53:29.570 --> 00:53:30.740 Hi, my name is Zach Sharpe, 00:53:30.740 --> 00:53:33.460 and I've been working for Luminalt Solar for nine years. 00:53:33.460 --> 00:53:36.810 I'm asking you to reject the proposed decision in full. 00:53:36.810 --> 00:53:38.430 My solar job has supported my family, 00:53:38.430 --> 00:53:40.240 and I've created a good life for my two daughters, 00:53:40.240 --> 00:53:42.160 both toddlers, in the Bay Area. 00:53:42.160 --> 00:53:43.110 If the proposed decision, 00:53:43.110 --> 00:53:44.890 or anything that resembles it, is approved, 00:53:44.890 --> 00:53:47.220 my job and the company I work for will be jeopardized, 00:53:47.220 --> 00:53:49.720 which directly affects the wellbeing of my family. 00:53:49.720 --> 00:53:51.380 Since rooftop solar is my career, 00:53:51.380 --> 00:53:52.880 we will likely have to move to another state 00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:54.500 that is more friendly to solar. 00:53:54.500 --> 00:53:56.690 I also speak for the thousands of Luminalt clients, 00:53:56.690 --> 00:53:58.800 many of whom are low income veterans 00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:00.530 or elderly on a fixed income, 00:54:00.530 --> 00:54:03.000 that rely on their utilities being low, 00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:04.590 and who rely on their solar 00:54:04.590 --> 00:54:06.770 and battery systems to provide backup power 00:54:06.770 --> 00:54:08.630 to their medical devices and air conditioners 00:54:08.630 --> 00:54:11.730 during this era of increasingly frequent power outages. 00:54:11.730 --> 00:54:14.410 These systems require servicing to operate properly. 00:54:14.410 --> 00:54:17.120 If Luminalt goes under, we can't service those systems. 00:54:17.120 --> 00:54:18.980 The state of California rightly requires us 00:54:18.980 --> 00:54:21.460 to provide a minimum 10 year warranty on battery systems 00:54:21.460 --> 00:54:23.290 to ensure consumers are protected. 00:54:23.290 --> 00:54:24.690 But if this decision goes through, 00:54:24.690 --> 00:54:26.820 the survival of many solar companies is threatened, 00:54:26.820 --> 00:54:29.130 and therefore, puts all of those warranties at risk. 00:54:29.130 --> 00:54:30.530 Thank you. 00:54:30.530 --> 00:54:31.820 Thank you. 00:54:31.820 --> 00:54:33.663 Operator, next caller, please. 00:54:36.357 --> 00:54:37.440 Our next caller... 00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:38.273 I'm sorry. 00:54:38.273 --> 00:54:41.124 Our next caller is Steve Saeger. 00:54:41.124 --> 00:54:42.800 You may go ahead. 00:54:42.800 --> 00:54:43.633 Good morning. 00:54:43.633 --> 00:54:45.770 My name is Steve Saeger with Quality Home Services in the 00:54:45.770 --> 00:54:47.370 Central Valley of California. 00:54:47.370 --> 00:54:49.140 All five major counties we serve 00:54:49.140 --> 00:54:52.270 have a poverty value ranging from 20 to 27% 00:54:52.270 --> 00:54:54.480 living below the poverty line. 00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:56.510 Based on the average solar facility in the Valley, 00:54:56.510 --> 00:54:59.570 the typical homeowner would pay $850 annually 00:54:59.570 --> 00:55:01.240 in connection fees alone. 00:55:01.240 --> 00:55:03.780 An increase of this magnitude is in no way equitable 00:55:03.780 --> 00:55:05.110 to the people living in poverty, 00:55:05.110 --> 00:55:08.710 and would shut out over 20% from the population 00:55:08.710 --> 00:55:10.540 of being able to afford taking steps 00:55:10.540 --> 00:55:13.560 that are in line with the goals of the state of California. 00:55:13.560 --> 00:55:15.870 During my nine years in this industry, 00:55:15.870 --> 00:55:18.230 I've watched numerous people rise out of poverty, 00:55:18.230 --> 00:55:20.000 start families, and some have gone off 00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:23.060 to start their own solar companies, and create new jobs. 00:55:23.060 --> 00:55:25.470 As proposed, this decision will stifle the growth 00:55:25.470 --> 00:55:26.990 of the renewable energy industry, 00:55:26.990 --> 00:55:28.440 hurt small businesses and families, 00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:30.273 while propping up monopolized power companies 00:55:30.273 --> 00:55:32.560 that are too big to fail. 00:55:32.560 --> 00:55:33.830 Thank you for all your hard work 00:55:33.830 --> 00:55:35.810 in regulating on the consumer behalf. 00:55:35.810 --> 00:55:37.570 Please don't cut those efforts short 00:55:37.570 --> 00:55:38.970 in rushing a policy through 00:55:38.970 --> 00:55:41.040 that would drastically change so many lives. 00:55:41.040 --> 00:55:42.430 Thank you. 00:55:42.430 --> 00:55:43.263 Thank you. 00:55:43.263 --> 00:55:44.760 Operator, next caller, please. 00:55:47.060 --> 00:55:50.090 Our next caller is Brandon Karashi. 00:55:51.447 --> 00:55:53.293 You may go ahead. 00:55:53.293 --> 00:55:54.693 Brandon Carlson? 00:55:56.790 --> 00:55:58.200 Yes, we can hear you. Yes, go ahead. 00:55:58.200 --> 00:55:59.370 Okay, there you go. (chuckles) 00:55:59.370 --> 00:56:00.210 Thank you, Commissioners. 00:56:00.210 --> 00:56:01.600 My name is Brandon Carlson, 00:56:01.600 --> 00:56:02.850 and I'd like to state for the record 00:56:02.850 --> 00:56:05.350 my disappointment with the net metering proposal. 00:56:05.350 --> 00:56:06.910 I'm an applications engineer 00:56:06.910 --> 00:56:08.730 focused on low income communities, 00:56:08.730 --> 00:56:11.850 and have been in the solar industry for over 20 years now. 00:56:11.850 --> 00:56:13.760 I volunteer 20 to 30 hours a month 00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:15.080 developing electric codes 00:56:15.080 --> 00:56:17.110 and standards to assisting in finding solutions 00:56:17.110 --> 00:56:19.130 for all stakeholders involved. 00:56:19.130 --> 00:56:21.560 Thanks to your predecessors' decisions in the past, 00:56:21.560 --> 00:56:23.970 California leads the way in distributed solar. 00:56:23.970 --> 00:56:27.430 Solar users feel fairly treated, contractors have work, 00:56:27.430 --> 00:56:29.450 utilities have a great deal of control, 00:56:29.450 --> 00:56:30.800 and innovation in solar energy 00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:33.000 is booming more and more every day. 00:56:33.000 --> 00:56:34.870 There's a reason that code developers like me 00:56:34.870 --> 00:56:37.550 for the solar industry are nearly all located in California. 00:56:37.550 --> 00:56:41.250 Not Arizona, not Nevada, not Texas, but California. 00:56:41.250 --> 00:56:43.270 This proposal's drastic changes 00:56:43.270 --> 00:56:46.070 would be a hard load to California's solar future, 00:56:46.070 --> 00:56:49.530 and send all aspects of our industry elsewhere. 00:56:49.530 --> 00:56:51.980 Again, I implore you to find a better solution. 00:56:51.980 --> 00:56:53.790 Especially in times of COVID, 00:56:53.790 --> 00:56:56.080 we have plenty of time to find a better solution. 00:56:56.080 --> 00:56:57.870 Thank you for your time. 00:56:57.870 --> 00:56:58.703 Thank you. 00:56:58.703 --> 00:57:00.200 Operator, next caller, please. 00:57:02.180 --> 00:57:04.190 Our next caller is Connie. 00:57:04.190 --> 00:57:05.040 You may go ahead. 00:57:08.870 --> 00:57:10.280 Hi, my name is Connie. 00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:12.780 I work for Baker Electric Home Energy. 00:57:12.780 --> 00:57:15.140 As a former long-time utility worker, 00:57:15.140 --> 00:57:18.507 I am extremely disappointed in the proposed decision. 00:57:18.507 --> 00:57:19.340 The amount of money 00:57:19.340 --> 00:57:22.297 that the utilities make off of capital projects, 00:57:22.297 --> 00:57:23.440 and the amount of money 00:57:23.440 --> 00:57:26.810 that they pay their employees is astronomical. 00:57:26.810 --> 00:57:28.840 This is only feeding their greed. 00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:32.680 Not to mention, and if you remember, in 2014, 00:57:32.680 --> 00:57:36.960 it was founded that SCG&E purposely went after 00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:40.832 low income households to make money on late fees. 00:57:40.832 --> 00:57:43.600 The utilities don't care about low income households. 00:57:43.600 --> 00:57:44.980 Please say no to NEM3, 00:57:44.980 --> 00:57:47.900 and don't penalize sustainable energy. 00:57:47.900 --> 00:57:49.710 We must reject this decision. 00:57:49.710 --> 00:57:51.180 Thank you. 00:57:51.180 --> 00:57:52.013 Thank you. 00:57:52.013 --> 00:57:53.970 Operator, next caller, please. 00:57:55.770 --> 00:57:58.250 Our next caller is Emily Langenbahn. 00:57:58.250 --> 00:57:59.100 You may go ahead. 00:58:01.529 --> 00:58:02.362 Good morning. 00:58:02.362 --> 00:58:03.440 My name is Emily Langenbahn. 00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:06.260 I work for Renova Energy in the Coachella Valley. 00:58:06.260 --> 00:58:09.060 I'm asking you to scrap the NEM3 decision all together. 00:58:09.060 --> 00:58:11.620 The same program was put in place by the municipally owned 00:58:11.620 --> 00:58:14.880 Imperial Irrigation Districts in July, 2016. 00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:17.020 Their program started five years ago, 00:58:17.020 --> 00:58:19.340 and there's been a 100% decline 00:58:19.340 --> 00:58:22.000 year-over-year in solar installation. 00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:23.900 The ratepayers in that district fell victim 00:58:23.900 --> 00:58:26.800 to two drastic rate increases over the last year alone, 00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:29.900 with no option to save money through solar leasing 00:58:29.900 --> 00:58:32.800 or through a five year payback period after purchasing. 00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:34.150 Rooftop solar is flourishing 00:58:34.150 --> 00:58:36.180 in the neighboring SCE territory. 00:58:36.180 --> 00:58:38.090 Please do not destroy the progress we've made 00:58:38.090 --> 00:58:39.940 in favor of the utilities' bottom line. 00:58:39.940 --> 00:58:40.773 Thank you. 00:58:41.710 --> 00:58:42.543 Thank you. 00:58:42.543 --> 00:58:44.003 Operator, next caller, please. 00:58:51.332 --> 00:58:53.330 Our next caller is Tommy Winick. 00:58:53.330 --> 00:58:54.180 You may go ahead. 00:58:57.940 --> 00:58:58.777 Hello, my name is Tommy Winick, 00:58:58.777 --> 00:59:01.330 and I've been in solar energy since 2018. 00:59:01.330 --> 00:59:02.570 Prior to finding solar, 00:59:02.570 --> 00:59:04.427 I had $30,000 in student loan debt, 00:59:04.427 --> 00:59:06.290 $12,000 in personal debt, 00:59:06.290 --> 00:59:07.960 18,000 in auto loan debt, 00:59:07.960 --> 00:59:10.060 and no clue what to do, besides hide in depression, 00:59:10.060 --> 00:59:11.800 living paycheck to paycheck. 00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:16.470 I urge you to please set fire to this proposal, 00:59:16.470 --> 00:59:19.960 because California is on fire in January! 00:59:19.960 --> 00:59:23.650 Since 2018, I've helped over 100 families go solar. 00:59:23.650 --> 00:59:27.810 I have added over 1 million dollars to property values. 00:59:27.810 --> 00:59:30.210 I've created lasting friendships 00:59:30.210 --> 00:59:33.110 and good relationships with all of my homeowners. 00:59:33.110 --> 00:59:34.070 I had the opportunity 00:59:34.070 --> 00:59:37.190 to work with someone in Paradise, California, 00:59:37.190 --> 00:59:39.610 and this was the saddest experience of my life. 00:59:39.610 --> 00:59:44.270 Please do not be on the wrong side of our future. 00:59:44.270 --> 00:59:45.103 I urge you. 00:59:45.973 --> 00:59:47.456 Thank you. 00:59:47.456 --> 00:59:48.289 Thank you. 00:59:48.289 --> 00:59:49.380 Operator, next caller, please. 00:59:51.100 --> 00:59:53.010 Our next caller is Mike Davidson. 00:59:53.010 --> 00:59:53.860 You may go ahead. 00:59:55.650 --> 00:59:56.483 Good morning. 00:59:56.483 --> 00:59:57.660 My name is Mike Davidson. 00:59:57.660 --> 01:00:01.760 I'm calling from San Diego County Solar in Carlsbad. 01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:04.740 And 15 years ago, when I began my solar career, 01:00:04.740 --> 01:00:07.410 there were only a handful of solar companies 01:00:07.410 --> 01:00:08.720 in the San Diego area, 01:00:08.720 --> 01:00:11.570 and all of them were struggling to survive. 01:00:11.570 --> 01:00:14.910 In fact, it was necessary for me to work a second job 01:00:14.910 --> 01:00:17.690 for the first several years of my career. 01:00:17.690 --> 01:00:18.523 At that time, 01:00:18.523 --> 01:00:20.670 homeowners investing in a solar installation 01:00:20.670 --> 01:00:24.030 could expect a payback period of 10 to 20 years. 01:00:24.030 --> 01:00:25.850 It's common knowledge in the solar industry 01:00:25.850 --> 01:00:28.680 that homeowners' primary motivation to go solar 01:00:28.680 --> 01:00:31.200 is the prospect of saving money. 01:00:31.200 --> 01:00:33.210 As the cost of solar equipment has come down, 01:00:33.210 --> 01:00:36.510 companies like ours have been able to create 01:00:36.510 --> 01:00:39.470 thousands of good jobs, providing health insurance, 01:00:39.470 --> 01:00:41.700 and retirement benefits for employees. 01:00:41.700 --> 01:00:44.380 A 10 to 20 years payback 01:00:44.380 --> 01:00:47.660 is not a compelling value proposition for homeowners. 01:00:47.660 --> 01:00:51.370 The proposed NEM3 decision will take us back to a time 01:00:51.370 --> 01:00:52.780 when there were only a handful 01:00:52.780 --> 01:00:55.053 of struggling solar companies. 01:00:56.140 --> 01:00:58.723 I ask you to please reject the proposed decision. 01:01:00.280 --> 01:01:01.113 Thank you. (bell dinging) 01:01:01.113 --> 01:01:02.010 Thank you. 01:01:02.010 --> 01:01:03.510 Operator, next caller, please. 01:01:06.170 --> 01:01:07.910 Our next caller is Adam Gerza. 01:01:07.910 --> 01:01:08.760 You may go ahead. 01:01:11.560 --> 01:01:12.393 Hi, good morning. 01:01:12.393 --> 01:01:13.350 This is Adam Gerza. 01:01:13.350 --> 01:01:17.080 I am the VP of Business Development with Energy Toolbase. 01:01:17.080 --> 01:01:19.120 We're a software company that specializes 01:01:19.120 --> 01:01:22.300 in modeling the economics of solar and storage. 01:01:22.300 --> 01:01:25.360 Developers use us to, you know, run avoided cost analysis 01:01:25.360 --> 01:01:27.300 and financial analysis. 01:01:27.300 --> 01:01:28.790 And we've always done this in a really, 01:01:28.790 --> 01:01:31.213 you know, objective fashion. 01:01:32.320 --> 01:01:34.750 We've been watching the proceeding very closely 01:01:34.750 --> 01:01:36.850 over the last 12 months. 01:01:36.850 --> 01:01:39.310 Certainly appreciate and kinda understand 01:01:39.310 --> 01:01:43.410 the difficult job the PUC has here to reform NEM. 01:01:43.410 --> 01:01:46.823 Our view is that the proposed decision does go way too far. 01:01:47.870 --> 01:01:49.180 We don't think it's a stretch to say, 01:01:49.180 --> 01:01:51.050 it would decimate the market, 01:01:51.050 --> 01:01:53.690 and, we think, result in pretty similar outcomes 01:01:53.690 --> 01:01:58.150 to what we saw firsthand in both Nevada and Hawaii 01:01:58.150 --> 01:02:01.100 when those, you know, markets abruptly changed their rules. 01:02:01.100 --> 01:02:05.880 So we encourage the PUC to reject it, and rework it. 01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:07.310 Thank you. 01:02:07.310 --> 01:02:08.360 Thank you. 01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:09.980 Operator, next caller, please. 01:02:12.850 --> 01:02:14.830 Our next caller is Jon Landsman. 01:02:14.830 --> 01:02:15.680 You may go ahead. 01:02:16.800 --> 01:02:17.780 Good morning, Commissioners. 01:02:17.780 --> 01:02:18.870 My name is Jon Landsman, 01:02:18.870 --> 01:02:19.960 and I'm the sales director 01:02:19.960 --> 01:02:22.240 for the Solar Bill Review team in Dublin. 01:02:22.240 --> 01:02:24.460 I've been in the industry for 10 years. 01:02:24.460 --> 01:02:27.310 I got involved on this journey having no idea whatsoever 01:02:27.310 --> 01:02:30.030 on the impact this career would have on me personally. 01:02:30.030 --> 01:02:32.300 I've helped over 1500 households go solar, 01:02:32.300 --> 01:02:35.180 reaching their financial and environmental goals. 01:02:35.180 --> 01:02:37.180 Whenever my days here on Earth are done, 01:02:37.180 --> 01:02:39.020 I'll know I've left the world a better 01:02:39.020 --> 01:02:40.360 than when I came into it 01:02:40.360 --> 01:02:42.510 by how much I've reduced the carbon footprint. 01:02:42.510 --> 01:02:43.890 In addition to those accomplishments, 01:02:43.890 --> 01:02:45.940 I've made a ton of friends with like-minded goals 01:02:45.940 --> 01:02:47.540 on helping customers. 01:02:47.540 --> 01:02:49.070 One of them is the owner of the company 01:02:49.070 --> 01:02:51.020 I work for today, Bill Gurgol. 01:02:51.020 --> 01:02:53.870 He started our small company that has about 15 employees 01:02:53.870 --> 01:02:56.990 that all genuinely care about each other and our customers. 01:02:56.990 --> 01:02:58.900 We wanna fulfill our promise to our customers 01:02:58.900 --> 01:03:01.570 by providing them with top-notch customer service, 01:03:01.570 --> 01:03:03.930 NEM 3.0, as it's currently being proposed, 01:03:03.930 --> 01:03:05.400 would take that away from us, 01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:07.290 as well as all the potential referrals 01:03:07.290 --> 01:03:09.160 that our customers wanna give us. 01:03:09.160 --> 01:03:11.150 I am appealing to all of the Commissioners 01:03:11.150 --> 01:03:14.910 to please reject NEM 3.0 as it's currently being proposed. 01:03:14.910 --> 01:03:17.430 Thank you so much for your consideration. 01:03:17.430 --> 01:03:18.400 Thank you. 01:03:18.400 --> 01:03:19.900 Operator, next caller, please. 01:03:21.930 --> 01:03:23.810 Our next caller is Norm Koenig. 01:03:23.810 --> 01:03:24.660 You may go ahead. 01:03:26.020 --> 01:03:28.170 Thank you to the members of the Commission 01:03:28.170 --> 01:03:30.920 for giving me a chance to share my grave concerns 01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:32.790 about this proposed decision. 01:03:32.790 --> 01:03:34.060 My name is Norm Koenig. 01:03:34.060 --> 01:03:36.140 I work as a home energy consultant 01:03:36.140 --> 01:03:38.780 at Treeium Energy in Valley Village, 01:03:38.780 --> 01:03:41.470 serving the greater Los Angeles area. 01:03:41.470 --> 01:03:42.570 I'm in my fifties, 01:03:42.570 --> 01:03:44.140 and at the beginning of the pandemic, 01:03:44.140 --> 01:03:48.870 I lost my job in corporate relocation for obvious reasons. 01:03:48.870 --> 01:03:52.230 I have since completely reinvented my professional self 01:03:52.230 --> 01:03:54.530 in the solar industry as a sales consultant, 01:03:54.530 --> 01:03:57.390 and I've never had greater job satisfaction. 01:03:57.390 --> 01:03:59.970 The solar industry is a great place to work, 01:03:59.970 --> 01:04:03.063 as 60,000 passionate Californians will tell you. 01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:06.940 The solar industry supports the great state of California's 01:04:06.940 --> 01:04:11.333 admirable goal of net zero carbon emissions by 2045. 01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:13.880 I'm wondering where all the people are 01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:17.930 who are supporting this proposed decision? 01:04:17.930 --> 01:04:20.177 Please reject NEM 3.0, 01:04:20.177 --> 01:04:21.890 and save California solar. 01:04:21.890 --> 01:04:23.280 Thank you. 01:04:23.280 --> 01:04:24.120 Thank you. 01:04:24.120 --> 01:04:25.653 Operator, next caller, please. 01:04:28.930 --> 01:04:30.970 Our next caller is Woody Hastings. 01:04:30.970 --> 01:04:31.820 You may go ahead. 01:04:33.780 --> 01:04:34.923 Can you hear me? 01:04:35.770 --> 01:04:36.603 Yes, we can. 01:04:36.603 --> 01:04:37.436 Okay, good. 01:04:37.436 --> 01:04:38.910 Good morning, President Reynolds and Commissioners. 01:04:38.910 --> 01:04:41.270 My name is Woody Hastings with the Climate Center. 01:04:41.270 --> 01:04:44.540 I'm speaking today to urge the Commission to reject the PD, 01:04:44.540 --> 01:04:46.870 go back to square one on this matter. 01:04:46.870 --> 01:04:47.797 We are in a climate crisis, 01:04:47.797 --> 01:04:51.040 and we need all the solar and storage we can get 01:04:51.040 --> 01:04:54.670 in the built environment first as quickly as possible, 01:04:54.670 --> 01:04:57.080 and the smart rules that can make that happen. 01:04:57.080 --> 01:04:59.620 The $8 fixed charge is extremely regressive, 01:04:59.620 --> 01:05:01.550 and not calibrated to specific costs, 01:05:01.550 --> 01:05:02.940 and should be discarded. 01:05:02.940 --> 01:05:06.810 The abrogation of the NEM1 and 2 20 year promise 01:05:06.810 --> 01:05:08.540 is patently unfair, 01:05:08.540 --> 01:05:12.050 and the immediate 80% cut on export bill credit 01:05:12.050 --> 01:05:13.320 is capricious and severe. 01:05:13.320 --> 01:05:15.770 It should be adjusted over time to be in line 01:05:15.770 --> 01:05:18.180 with actual agreed upon value of solar. 01:05:18.180 --> 01:05:20.750 Yes, utility scale solar is cheap, 01:05:20.750 --> 01:05:23.320 about 3 cents per kilowatt hour, but for whom? 01:05:23.320 --> 01:05:26.090 That is a low cost for the utilities, not for customers. 01:05:26.090 --> 01:05:27.610 It doesn't get passed along. 01:05:27.610 --> 01:05:29.340 Utility rates just keep going up, 01:05:29.340 --> 01:05:30.980 as they have been for 40 years. 01:05:30.980 --> 01:05:32.810 We need new rules that help everyone, 01:05:32.810 --> 01:05:35.410 including lower income customers, 01:05:35.410 --> 01:05:39.680 to deploy as much fuel-free, clean generation as they can 01:05:39.680 --> 01:05:40.740 on their sunny rooftops. 01:05:40.740 --> 01:05:42.878 Please reject- (bell dinging) 01:05:42.878 --> 01:05:43.830 Those that support all Thank you very much. 01:05:43.830 --> 01:05:45.180 income levels in the industry. 01:05:45.180 --> 01:05:46.275 Thank you. Operator, 01:05:46.275 --> 01:05:47.108 next caller, please. 01:05:47.108 --> 01:05:47.941 Thank you. 01:05:50.290 --> 01:05:51.349 Next caller, please. 01:05:51.349 --> 01:05:52.182 Thanks. 01:05:53.330 --> 01:05:55.430 Our next caller is Mamun Rashid. 01:05:55.430 --> 01:05:56.280 You may go ahead. 01:05:57.885 --> 01:05:58.718 Good morning. 01:05:58.718 --> 01:05:59.830 My name is Mamun Rashid. 01:05:59.830 --> 01:06:02.020 I'm CEO of Auxin Solar. 01:06:02.020 --> 01:06:04.170 We're an American solar module manufacturer 01:06:04.170 --> 01:06:06.020 located in Santa Fe. 01:06:06.020 --> 01:06:07.450 I'm here to voice my concern 01:06:07.450 --> 01:06:09.970 about the proposed net metering change. 01:06:09.970 --> 01:06:13.290 In addition to the many environmental benefits of solar, 01:06:13.290 --> 01:06:15.790 it has distributed power generation. 01:06:15.790 --> 01:06:19.320 The deployment is distributed, creating thousands of jobs. 01:06:19.320 --> 01:06:21.160 Dis-incentivizing distributed 01:06:21.160 --> 01:06:22.360 deployments removes competition, 01:06:22.360 --> 01:06:26.090 which is not in the best interest of the end consumer. 01:06:26.090 --> 01:06:27.870 As an American manufacturer of solar panels, 01:06:27.870 --> 01:06:29.150 a lot of our customers serve 01:06:29.150 --> 01:06:30.910 the residential and commercial space. 01:06:30.910 --> 01:06:32.800 The proposed change would have a negative impact 01:06:32.800 --> 01:06:35.600 on this customer base on our local manufacturing jobs. 01:06:35.600 --> 01:06:37.120 We're already under pressure 01:06:37.120 --> 01:06:39.390 competing with unfairly priced imports, 01:06:39.390 --> 01:06:41.800 and typically priced out of the utility space. 01:06:41.800 --> 01:06:44.500 The proposed change to net metering will negatively impact 01:06:44.500 --> 01:06:46.280 our residential and commercial market. 01:06:46.280 --> 01:06:48.950 As California goes, so does the rest of the country. 01:06:48.950 --> 01:06:52.290 The proposed net metering change is turning back the clock. 01:06:52.290 --> 01:06:53.560 It is bad for the consumer, 01:06:53.560 --> 01:06:55.507 it is bad for the solar installation industry, 01:06:55.507 --> 01:06:58.830 and it is bad for domestic manufacturing and jobs. 01:06:58.830 --> 01:07:01.220 I urge you not to proceed with the proposed change. 01:07:01.220 --> 01:07:02.322 Thank you. 01:07:02.322 --> 01:07:03.230 (bell dinging) 01:07:03.230 --> 01:07:04.660 Thank you. 01:07:04.660 --> 01:07:06.713 Operator, next caller, please. 01:07:10.970 --> 01:07:12.930 Our next caller is Ross Williams. 01:07:12.930 --> 01:07:13.780 You may go ahead. 01:07:16.850 --> 01:07:17.840 Hi, good morning. 01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:22.180 My name is Ross Williams, CEO of HES Solar in San Diego. 01:07:22.180 --> 01:07:23.990 I'm gonna keep this short in an effort to allow 01:07:23.990 --> 01:07:26.610 as many of the 400-plus solar supporters on this call 01:07:26.610 --> 01:07:28.830 to speak in opposition. 01:07:28.830 --> 01:07:31.410 We all know this proposed decision is awful policy, 01:07:31.410 --> 01:07:33.290 and needs to be dramatically changed. 01:07:33.290 --> 01:07:34.220 Please do the right thing. 01:07:34.220 --> 01:07:35.053 Thank you. 01:08:04.540 --> 01:08:06.983 Operator, do we have another caller? 01:08:08.550 --> 01:08:10.570 Our next caller is John Semington. 01:08:10.570 --> 01:08:11.420 You may go ahead. 01:08:13.410 --> 01:08:14.780 Hi, thank you for the time. 01:08:14.780 --> 01:08:17.310 I'm the managing partner of Peak Demand. 01:08:17.310 --> 01:08:20.130 We do consulting and executive search in renewables. 01:08:20.130 --> 01:08:22.380 Also, a solar consumer. 01:08:22.380 --> 01:08:25.700 Please reconsider this Net Metering 3.0 decision. 01:08:25.700 --> 01:08:27.857 It will be horrible for California consumers 01:08:27.857 --> 01:08:29.640 on the solar side, 01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:31.350 particularly as we're already seeing 01:08:31.350 --> 01:08:32.970 enormous bill increases, 01:08:32.970 --> 01:08:36.060 both for gas and power across the board. 01:08:36.060 --> 01:08:38.010 As an employer of individuals 01:08:38.010 --> 01:08:40.010 that rely on the solar industry, 01:08:40.010 --> 01:08:42.620 and companies that are growing in the solar industry, 01:08:42.620 --> 01:08:44.760 this will decimate solar jobs. 01:08:44.760 --> 01:08:45.627 So thank you, 01:08:45.627 --> 01:08:47.453 and please reconsider your decision. 01:08:48.510 --> 01:08:49.343 Thank you. 01:08:49.343 --> 01:08:50.660 Operator, next caller, please. 01:08:52.390 --> 01:08:54.070 Our next caller is John Huxsol. 01:08:54.070 --> 01:08:54.920 You may go ahead. 01:08:57.350 --> 01:08:58.520 Hello. 01:08:58.520 --> 01:08:59.500 Thank you, Commissioners. 01:08:59.500 --> 01:09:00.537 This is John Huxsol. 01:09:00.537 --> 01:09:03.390 I work for Mendocino Solar Service 01:09:03.390 --> 01:09:06.310 up in Mendocino County on the North Coast. 01:09:06.310 --> 01:09:07.640 I've been there for nine years. 01:09:07.640 --> 01:09:08.900 I like my solar career, 01:09:08.900 --> 01:09:11.930 because it feels good and right to provide clean energy 01:09:11.930 --> 01:09:14.310 to so many homes in our area. 01:09:14.310 --> 01:09:17.220 If this new NEM3 proposal is accepted, 01:09:17.220 --> 01:09:19.210 solar will not be affordable for 01:09:20.207 --> 01:09:22.520 any more homeowners in Mendocino County, 01:09:22.520 --> 01:09:25.160 and our company would have to shut its doors. 01:09:25.160 --> 01:09:26.177 I would lose my job, 01:09:26.177 --> 01:09:27.700 and I don't know what my wife 01:09:27.700 --> 01:09:30.280 and I will do without my solar career. 01:09:30.280 --> 01:09:33.951 California is the leader in the nation in solar. 01:09:33.951 --> 01:09:37.410 Rooftop solar will not kill utility workers' jobs, 01:09:37.410 --> 01:09:40.480 nor does solar raise costs for other ratepayers. 01:09:40.480 --> 01:09:42.550 These two things are myths. 01:09:42.550 --> 01:09:44.990 We need a combination of utility scale solar 01:09:44.990 --> 01:09:47.840 and rooftop solar in order to meet 01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:49.750 California's energy goals. 01:09:49.750 --> 01:09:51.427 This proposal doesn't make sense, 01:09:51.427 --> 01:09:53.530 and I urge you to reject it. 01:09:53.530 --> 01:09:54.433 Thank you. 01:09:55.540 --> 01:09:56.570 Thank you. 01:09:56.570 --> 01:09:58.513 Operator, next caller, please. 01:09:59.570 --> 01:10:01.910 Our next caller is Steve Kuttner. 01:10:01.910 --> 01:10:02.883 You may go ahead. 01:10:05.130 --> 01:10:07.230 Hello, CPUC, President Reynolds, 01:10:07.230 --> 01:10:08.660 and Commissioners. 01:10:08.660 --> 01:10:10.810 Steve Kuttner, project developer, 01:10:10.810 --> 01:10:12.300 Sun Light & Power, Berkeley. 01:10:12.300 --> 01:10:15.460 And I've worked in solar power for seven-plus years. 01:10:15.460 --> 01:10:16.680 Chose the career to be part of 01:10:16.680 --> 01:10:18.290 the clean energy movement in California, 01:10:18.290 --> 01:10:21.460 and I enjoy working with tens of thousands of others 01:10:21.460 --> 01:10:23.270 towards a more or sustainable future. 01:10:23.270 --> 01:10:26.640 Californians seem to wanna harvest sunshine 01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:27.750 for cleaner energy. 01:10:27.750 --> 01:10:30.800 And NEM compensation, re-compensation, today 01:10:30.800 --> 01:10:34.040 affords a significant and widely accessible path 01:10:34.040 --> 01:10:36.573 to clean energy, helping keep our planet livable. 01:10:37.440 --> 01:10:40.900 But globally, we do slip into environmental catastrophe, 01:10:40.900 --> 01:10:45.010 as existential risk for young people and future generations. 01:10:45.010 --> 01:10:47.300 Eyes are on the state of California. 01:10:47.300 --> 01:10:50.810 The proposed decision would kill my job, and is a disaster. 01:10:50.810 --> 01:10:52.980 You must reject this. 01:10:52.980 --> 01:10:54.720 Thank you for listening. 01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:55.553 Thank you. 01:10:55.553 --> 01:10:57.023 Operator, next caller, please. 01:11:02.310 --> 01:11:04.290 Our next caller is Robert Gumm. 01:11:04.290 --> 01:11:05.140 You may go ahead. 01:11:06.770 --> 01:11:08.270 Yes, my name is Robert Gumm 01:11:08.270 --> 01:11:11.460 from B & B Solar in Redding, California. 01:11:11.460 --> 01:11:15.150 I've been involved in solar for 45 years continuously. 01:11:15.150 --> 01:11:18.750 Started when it was water heating, pool heating, and such, 01:11:18.750 --> 01:11:20.090 the liquid heating. 01:11:20.090 --> 01:11:23.290 I've watched 45 years the industry to grow to this point. 01:11:23.290 --> 01:11:27.480 It's a little discouraging to see this particular decision 01:11:27.480 --> 01:11:32.140 that's being looked on to destroy those 45 years of work 01:11:32.140 --> 01:11:35.840 that assisted the Californians to save on their bills, 01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:38.910 help the environment, and do the things that are correct. 01:11:38.910 --> 01:11:41.420 I feel that if the industry works 01:11:41.420 --> 01:11:45.910 with the solar industry utilities and with the Commission, 01:11:45.910 --> 01:11:47.670 we can come up with a better proposal 01:11:47.670 --> 01:11:49.470 that will be more fitting. 01:11:49.470 --> 01:11:53.090 And I also want to warn the issue 01:11:53.090 --> 01:11:54.780 of abandoning people this year 01:11:54.780 --> 01:11:56.830 who have started their systems, 01:11:56.830 --> 01:11:58.500 and now are facing the prospect 01:11:58.500 --> 01:12:01.090 of not having to be cost efficient, 01:12:01.090 --> 01:12:03.470 or achieve what they were promised. 01:12:03.470 --> 01:12:07.110 I really urge that this existing decision be scrapped, 01:12:07.110 --> 01:12:08.300 start over, and do something 01:12:08.300 --> 01:12:09.860 that'll work for the environment, 01:12:09.860 --> 01:12:11.690 and work for all the workers 01:12:11.690 --> 01:12:14.040 in this area. (bell dinging) 01:12:14.040 --> 01:12:15.590 Thank you. 01:12:15.590 --> 01:12:17.313 Operator, next caller, please. 01:12:19.040 --> 01:12:20.730 Our next caller is Jerry Gruber. 01:12:20.730 --> 01:12:21.580 You may go ahead. 01:12:26.205 --> 01:12:28.705 Was that Gary Gerber? 01:12:29.818 --> 01:12:31.670 Yes, please proceed. Yes, go ahead. 01:12:31.670 --> 01:12:32.503 Okay. 01:12:32.503 --> 01:12:33.610 Good morning, Commission. 01:12:33.610 --> 01:12:34.753 My company, Sun Light & Power, 01:12:34.753 --> 01:12:37.010 we have 80 passionate employees. 01:12:37.010 --> 01:12:38.850 We're employee-owned. 01:12:38.850 --> 01:12:39.683 We've been designing 01:12:39.683 --> 01:12:43.000 and installing solar systems for over 45 years, 01:12:43.000 --> 01:12:43.920 and in all those years, 01:12:43.920 --> 01:12:46.610 I've never seen such an existential threat 01:12:46.610 --> 01:12:51.000 to the future of solar than I'm seeing now in this NEM3 PD. 01:12:51.000 --> 01:12:52.600 I'm actually especially worried 01:12:52.600 --> 01:12:54.210 about the effect this PD would have 01:12:54.210 --> 01:12:57.843 on our nonprofit, multifamily, affordable housing clients, 01:12:57.843 --> 01:13:00.150 which we have hundreds. 01:13:00.150 --> 01:13:02.960 Solar, under NEM, has become an integral contributor 01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:05.850 to the financial success of these housing projects. 01:13:05.850 --> 01:13:09.480 This PD will severely undercut the ability of PB systems 01:13:09.480 --> 01:13:12.120 to provide the critical savings. 01:13:12.120 --> 01:13:15.820 You know, the utilities claim that the so-called cost shift 01:13:15.820 --> 01:13:18.020 is costing low income utility users, 01:13:18.020 --> 01:13:21.070 but then they concoct this disingenuous plan 01:13:21.070 --> 01:13:23.450 that is going to hurt those very people, 01:13:23.450 --> 01:13:25.500 while putting thousands of solar workers 01:13:25.500 --> 01:13:27.640 into the ranks of unemployed. 01:13:27.640 --> 01:13:30.350 Please do not allow this PD to stand. 01:13:30.350 --> 01:13:31.840 Thank you. 01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:32.673 Thank you. 01:13:32.673 --> 01:13:34.590 Operator, next caller, please. 01:13:36.370 --> 01:13:38.170 Our next caller is Jared Slusser. 01:13:38.170 --> 01:13:39.020 You may go ahead. 01:13:40.410 --> 01:13:42.020 Hello, my name is Jared Slusser. 01:13:42.020 --> 01:13:43.930 I'm the owner of Transform Power. 01:13:43.930 --> 01:13:46.820 We are a local solar installer in Temecula. 01:13:46.820 --> 01:13:49.750 Commissioners, please say no to NEM3. 01:13:49.750 --> 01:13:52.864 These proposed changes would put my company out of business, 01:13:52.864 --> 01:13:55.180 and I would be forced to lay off my employees. 01:13:55.180 --> 01:13:56.490 If NEM3 passes, 01:13:56.490 --> 01:13:59.600 I will be looking to move to a solar-friendly state, 01:13:59.600 --> 01:14:01.990 such as Texas or Florida. 01:14:01.990 --> 01:14:03.940 My customers are also very concerned, 01:14:03.940 --> 01:14:07.500 and have been calling me since this solar tax was announced. 01:14:07.500 --> 01:14:10.220 These low income and middle class families invested 01:14:10.220 --> 01:14:12.050 in a clean energy future. 01:14:12.050 --> 01:14:13.540 This proposed tax will put 01:14:13.540 --> 01:14:16.180 an unfair financial burden on them. 01:14:16.180 --> 01:14:17.350 The state of California 01:14:17.350 --> 01:14:20.125 and the country are watching your decision. 01:14:20.125 --> 01:14:23.870 To all the linemen and utility workers listening today, 01:14:23.870 --> 01:14:26.230 please join us in the solar industry. 01:14:26.230 --> 01:14:28.200 We need your skills and talents, 01:14:28.200 --> 01:14:29.870 and have many job openings. 01:14:29.870 --> 01:14:32.230 We look forward to working with you. 01:14:32.230 --> 01:14:35.100 Commissioners, please reject NEM3. 01:14:35.100 --> 01:14:35.933 Thank you. 01:14:36.780 --> 01:14:37.650 Thank you. 01:14:37.650 --> 01:14:39.150 Operator, next caller, please. 01:14:42.478 --> 01:14:44.728 Our next caller is Mark Crowdis. 01:14:45.984 --> 01:14:49.483 You may go ahead. (interposing voices) 01:14:51.466 --> 01:14:53.560 (male mumbles indistinctly) 01:14:53.560 --> 01:14:55.060 Again, Mark Crowdis, 01:14:55.060 --> 01:14:56.366 your line is open. Hi, this- 01:14:56.366 --> 01:14:57.199 Yes, hi! 01:14:57.199 --> 01:14:59.830 This is Mark Crowdis with 127 Energy, 01:14:59.830 --> 01:15:01.620 based in the City of Napa. 01:15:01.620 --> 01:15:03.290 I am a native Californian, 01:15:03.290 --> 01:15:06.743 and I have been working in the solar industry since 1997. 01:15:06.743 --> 01:15:09.880 What we do, is development in finance. 01:15:09.880 --> 01:15:12.830 I've worked in over 35 states. 01:15:12.830 --> 01:15:14.910 What I've seen in virtually every state 01:15:14.910 --> 01:15:18.250 that has a structure similar to NEM 3.0, 01:15:18.250 --> 01:15:20.700 which is, essentially, a standby charge, 01:15:20.700 --> 01:15:24.550 is that there's almost no solar industry. 01:15:24.550 --> 01:15:27.250 What I'm asking you to do is reject this proposal, 01:15:27.250 --> 01:15:29.770 and identify other options. 01:15:29.770 --> 01:15:32.500 In terms of low income folks in the marketplace, 01:15:32.500 --> 01:15:35.970 creating a credit facility, but via the state, 01:15:35.970 --> 01:15:37.100 you could help them. 01:15:37.100 --> 01:15:39.170 And in the event that you want to also 01:15:39.170 --> 01:15:40.550 deal with the duck curve, 01:15:40.550 --> 01:15:42.680 you could have distributed energy storage, 01:15:42.680 --> 01:15:44.750 which now is cost effective. 01:15:44.750 --> 01:15:46.470 Please reject this proposal, 01:15:46.470 --> 01:15:48.647 because we will lose way too many jobs, 01:15:48.647 --> 01:15:51.580 and climate change will not be being addressed via solar 01:15:51.580 --> 01:15:53.890 in the state of California any further. 01:15:53.890 --> 01:15:55.280 Thank you. 01:15:55.280 --> 01:15:56.113 Thank you. 01:15:56.113 --> 01:15:58.403 Operator, next caller, please. 01:16:00.048 --> 01:16:01.780 Our next caller is Jim Jenner. 01:16:01.780 --> 01:16:02.630 You may go ahead. 01:16:03.870 --> 01:16:04.703 Thank you. 01:16:04.703 --> 01:16:05.630 My name is Jim Jenner. 01:16:05.630 --> 01:16:08.950 I own and operate Fusion Power Design in Lodi. 01:16:08.950 --> 01:16:09.880 I've been building solar 01:16:09.880 --> 01:16:12.840 and storage in the Central Valley for 15 years. 01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:16.900 I urge you to reconsider the proposed NEM 3.0. 01:16:16.900 --> 01:16:19.470 Every single solar system that I've personally designed 01:16:19.470 --> 01:16:22.537 and installed has been based on solid financial goals, 01:16:22.537 --> 01:16:24.643 and a modest return on investment. 01:16:24.643 --> 01:16:27.350 This is especially true for commercial systems. 01:16:27.350 --> 01:16:30.230 A five year return on investment has always been my goal, 01:16:30.230 --> 01:16:32.410 and allows all California families 01:16:32.410 --> 01:16:34.470 an opportunity to invest in themselves, 01:16:34.470 --> 01:16:37.930 and get the added benefit of producing clean energy. 01:16:37.930 --> 01:16:42.900 The current NEM 3.0 would allow a 12 year ROI in best cases, 01:16:42.900 --> 01:16:44.700 and that includes battery incentive. 01:16:45.560 --> 01:16:47.880 This will destroy the momentum 01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:50.207 that has been created for clean energy in California, 01:16:50.207 --> 01:16:53.780 and turn solar back into a purely luxury item. 01:16:53.780 --> 01:16:57.010 It is clear to me that California has the opportunity 01:16:57.010 --> 01:16:59.830 to have the electoral grid in the nation, 01:16:59.830 --> 01:17:01.400 but the only way that this will happen 01:17:01.400 --> 01:17:04.147 is if we continue to allow distributed solar 01:17:04.147 --> 01:17:05.680 and storage to grow, 01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:06.964 and the public has a right 01:17:06.964 --> 01:17:09.462 to have an equal share in this process. 01:17:09.462 --> 01:17:10.333 Thank you. Thank you. 01:17:10.333 --> 01:17:12.180 Thank you for your comment. 01:17:12.180 --> 01:17:13.803 Operator, next caller, please. 01:17:15.460 --> 01:17:17.950 Our next comment is Dan Jamal. 01:17:17.950 --> 01:17:18.800 You may go ahead. 01:17:20.981 --> 01:17:22.820 Hi, it's actually Sam Jammal. 01:17:22.820 --> 01:17:25.040 Thank you for the opportunity to speak today. 01:17:25.040 --> 01:17:27.410 My name is Sam Jammal and I work for Mosaic. 01:17:27.410 --> 01:17:30.220 For over 10 years, Mosaic's been headquartered in Oakland. 01:17:30.220 --> 01:17:32.160 Our mission's 100% clean energy for all. 01:17:32.160 --> 01:17:32.993 Since our founding, 01:17:32.993 --> 01:17:35.160 we've helped nearly 80,000 families in California 01:17:35.160 --> 01:17:36.670 add solar to their homes. 01:17:36.670 --> 01:17:37.820 We finance solar loans. 01:17:37.820 --> 01:17:39.296 We've worked with small, medium, 01:17:39.296 --> 01:17:41.160 and large installers across the state. 01:17:41.160 --> 01:17:41.993 We know this industry well, 01:17:41.993 --> 01:17:44.470 and just how harmful the proposed decision will be. 01:17:44.470 --> 01:17:46.518 Yet, we're looking at potentially 01:17:46.518 --> 01:17:49.790 nearly $700 in new fees to add solar. 01:17:49.790 --> 01:17:52.560 Plus, in Southern California Edison territory, 01:17:52.560 --> 01:17:55.110 it'd actually be more expensive to add solar to your home 01:17:55.110 --> 01:17:56.623 than neighbors who choose not to. 01:17:56.623 --> 01:17:59.060 This is a huge step backwards for California. 01:17:59.060 --> 01:18:00.900 The state really is still committed 01:18:00.900 --> 01:18:01.910 to clean energy adoption, 01:18:01.910 --> 01:18:04.259 and it's really unfortunate after all the wildfires 01:18:04.259 --> 01:18:05.280 and droughts in recent years. 01:18:05.280 --> 01:18:08.173 And so we hope the Commission rejects this decision, 01:18:08.173 --> 01:18:09.380 comes back to the table, 01:18:09.380 --> 01:18:10.730 and focuses on how to make solar 01:18:10.730 --> 01:18:12.470 more affordable to families, 01:18:12.470 --> 01:18:14.900 and really tries to move the state forward on climate. 01:18:14.900 --> 01:18:16.850 I think, right now, we're in a critical moment, 01:18:16.850 --> 01:18:18.400 and the Commission has an opportunity, really, 01:18:18.400 --> 01:18:21.500 to correct course, and work with the industry, 01:18:21.500 --> 01:18:24.530 and work with the different partners out there 01:18:24.530 --> 01:18:27.290 to make this- (bell dinging) 01:18:27.290 --> 01:18:28.230 Thank you. 01:18:28.230 --> 01:18:29.260 Thank you for your comment. 01:18:29.260 --> 01:18:31.093 Operator, next caller, please. 01:18:33.530 --> 01:18:34.960 Our next caller is Ed Murray. 01:18:34.960 --> 01:18:35.810 You may go ahead. 01:18:37.709 --> 01:18:38.542 Hey, thank you. 01:18:38.542 --> 01:18:39.375 Good morning. 01:18:39.375 --> 01:18:42.990 Thank you, President Reynolds and Commissioners, PUC staff. 01:18:42.990 --> 01:18:46.503 I'm Ed Murray, president of Aztec Solar in Rancho Cordova. 01:18:47.783 --> 01:18:50.820 The company that I run is about 50 employees, 01:18:50.820 --> 01:18:54.180 similar to the 720 companies that are involved in 01:18:54.180 --> 01:18:56.530 California Solar and Storage Association, 01:18:56.530 --> 01:18:58.670 which I'm the president of. 01:18:58.670 --> 01:19:02.820 Right now, there's 70,000 or so employed in California. 01:19:02.820 --> 01:19:05.970 That will at least go in half, if not more, 01:19:05.970 --> 01:19:07.700 that will lose those jobs. 01:19:07.700 --> 01:19:11.440 The other side of this is the equity issue. 01:19:11.440 --> 01:19:13.860 There is no huge equity problem. 01:19:13.860 --> 01:19:15.240 There's only opportunity. 01:19:15.240 --> 01:19:17.470 The largest single group of solar adopters today 01:19:17.470 --> 01:19:20.420 are families earning under $100,000 per year. 01:19:20.420 --> 01:19:22.510 These are working class, middle class, 01:19:22.510 --> 01:19:25.480 school teachers, mail carriers, grocery store workers. 01:19:25.480 --> 01:19:26.880 They are going solar at a rate 01:19:26.880 --> 01:19:28.880 of two times out of the wealthiest. 01:19:28.880 --> 01:19:30.720 If you make solar more expensive, 01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:32.836 this is who you cut out of the energy economy. 01:19:32.836 --> 01:19:34.296 Thank you. 01:19:34.296 --> 01:19:35.420 Thank you. 01:19:35.420 --> 01:19:36.920 Operator, next caller, please. 01:19:39.550 --> 01:19:41.450 Our next caller is Ben Justino. 01:19:41.450 --> 01:19:42.300 You may go ahead. 01:19:43.840 --> 01:19:44.673 Hi! 01:19:44.673 --> 01:19:46.860 Thanks for hearin' us out. 01:19:46.860 --> 01:19:47.693 My name is Ben. 01:19:47.693 --> 01:19:49.810 I'm a solar installer from Berkeley, California. 01:19:49.810 --> 01:19:53.320 I've been installing solar for the past 15 years. 01:19:53.320 --> 01:19:55.620 Distributed solar installation provides a career, 01:19:55.620 --> 01:20:00.620 and not just a temp job, installing utility scale solar. 01:20:00.750 --> 01:20:02.820 This NEM3 proposal puts my career, 01:20:02.820 --> 01:20:06.250 and tens of thousands of careers like mine, at serious risk. 01:20:06.250 --> 01:20:08.720 The major flaw in this proposed NEM3 01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:12.990 is the monthly fine per kilowatt of solar installed. 01:20:12.990 --> 01:20:15.770 This would effectively stop new installations. 01:20:15.770 --> 01:20:18.080 It would also send pricing signals to homeowners 01:20:18.080 --> 01:20:21.560 with 15-year-old systems to remove their existing systems, 01:20:21.560 --> 01:20:23.010 rather than maintain them. 01:20:23.010 --> 01:20:25.430 The state and federal government have spent billions 01:20:25.430 --> 01:20:26.870 encouraging solar installation, 01:20:26.870 --> 01:20:29.220 and this monthly fine turns that investment 01:20:29.220 --> 01:20:30.940 into a complete waste. 01:20:30.940 --> 01:20:33.480 Please consider keeping the current interconnection fee, 01:20:33.480 --> 01:20:35.993 instead of this monthly $8 per kilowatt fine. 01:20:37.150 --> 01:20:38.630 Thanks. 01:20:38.630 --> 01:20:39.620 Thank you. 01:20:39.620 --> 01:20:41.133 Operator, next caller, please. 01:20:45.080 --> 01:20:48.250 Our next caller is from Meghan Stimmler. 01:20:48.250 --> 01:20:49.100 You may go ahead. 01:20:50.450 --> 01:20:51.670 Hi, my name's Meghan Stimmler. 01:20:51.670 --> 01:20:54.310 I am the sales director for my family's solar company, 01:20:54.310 --> 01:20:55.853 SolarHut, in El Dorado County. 01:20:56.960 --> 01:20:59.230 My father started the business in 2008. 01:20:59.230 --> 01:21:01.340 I came from Sacramento State 01:21:01.340 --> 01:21:03.420 as an environmental post-science major. 01:21:03.420 --> 01:21:04.700 We have served our community, 01:21:04.700 --> 01:21:07.870 and that has been devastated by fires and public shutoffs. 01:21:07.870 --> 01:21:08.990 People in El Dorado County 01:21:08.990 --> 01:21:12.140 are reliant on electricity staying on, 01:21:12.140 --> 01:21:13.250 and they want to save money. 01:21:13.250 --> 01:21:16.900 Since 2012, pricing has increased tenfold. 01:21:16.900 --> 01:21:20.220 NEM 3.0 will devastate my company and my family. 01:21:20.220 --> 01:21:22.230 Director asked changes of grandfathering 01:21:22.230 --> 01:21:25.720 is gonna affect my home and several hundred of my customers. 01:21:25.720 --> 01:21:29.120 We need a gradual step down of the credits, 01:21:29.120 --> 01:21:30.660 not a drastic one. 01:21:30.660 --> 01:21:34.030 We need to not tax homeowners wanting to go solar, 01:21:34.030 --> 01:21:37.860 and we need not to destroy 60,000 solar jobs. 01:21:37.860 --> 01:21:41.250 Don't be a destroyer of livelihoods and green future. 01:21:41.250 --> 01:21:42.580 Thank you. 01:21:42.580 --> 01:21:43.480 Thank you. 01:21:43.480 --> 01:21:44.980 Operator, next caller, please. 01:21:47.090 --> 01:21:48.697 Our next caller is Vicki Vaugn. 01:21:48.697 --> 01:21:49.833 You may go ahead. 01:21:52.900 --> 01:21:53.733 Hi, good morning. 01:21:53.733 --> 01:21:55.170 My name is Vicki Vaugn. 01:21:55.170 --> 01:21:58.380 I work at Solar Works in Sonoma County. 01:21:58.380 --> 01:22:01.400 We've been in business since 1986, 01:22:01.400 --> 01:22:06.360 and employ 11 people on very thin profit margins. 01:22:06.360 --> 01:22:09.340 I echo all the other commenters' concerns 01:22:09.340 --> 01:22:12.410 about the negative impact that the proposed NEM changes 01:22:12.410 --> 01:22:14.300 would have on our industry, 01:22:14.300 --> 01:22:18.210 especially on other small businesses like ours. 01:22:18.210 --> 01:22:20.280 And I would support fair 01:22:20.280 --> 01:22:22.670 and balanced revisions to net metering 01:22:22.670 --> 01:22:25.870 that would distribute the cost of grid maintenance 01:22:25.870 --> 01:22:30.063 and resilience projects amongst all utility customers, 01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:33.310 not just of solar customers. 01:22:33.310 --> 01:22:34.780 Thanks. 01:22:34.780 --> 01:22:35.613 Thank you. 01:22:35.613 --> 01:22:37.153 Operator, next caller, please. 01:22:39.700 --> 01:22:41.810 Our next caller is Veronica Lombardi. 01:22:41.810 --> 01:22:42.660 You may go ahead. 01:22:44.350 --> 01:22:45.183 Hi, good morning. 01:22:45.183 --> 01:22:47.960 Thank you for listening to our comments this morning. 01:22:47.960 --> 01:22:50.800 I work with California Clean Energy in Berkeley. 01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:52.370 We've been in business for 12 years 01:22:52.370 --> 01:22:57.370 providing financing to nonprofits, churches, and schools. 01:22:58.950 --> 01:23:03.950 You've heard from many, many people that NEM3 will not, 01:23:04.150 --> 01:23:06.130 you know, make us feasible anymore. 01:23:06.130 --> 01:23:09.130 We can tell you, that we do that math every day, 01:23:09.130 --> 01:23:11.980 and we know for a fact that it will make us non-feasible. 01:23:11.980 --> 01:23:13.830 Our company's small. 01:23:13.830 --> 01:23:16.190 We don't charge these churches and schools very much. 01:23:16.190 --> 01:23:19.920 And NEM3 will, effectively, end our business. 01:23:19.920 --> 01:23:24.320 So we really urge you to reject this proposal as it is, 01:23:24.320 --> 01:23:25.550 go back to the drawing board, 01:23:25.550 --> 01:23:28.280 and hope we can come up with something more equitable. 01:23:28.280 --> 01:23:29.593 Thank you. 01:23:29.593 --> 01:23:30.426 Thank you. 01:23:30.426 --> 01:23:31.850 Operator, next caller, please. 01:23:33.440 --> 01:23:36.400 Our next caller is JD Dillon. 01:23:36.400 --> 01:23:37.250 You may go ahead. 01:23:39.330 --> 01:23:40.220 Hi, Commissioners! 01:23:40.220 --> 01:23:41.053 I'm JD Dillon, 01:23:41.053 --> 01:23:43.930 representing about a hundred Tigo employees 01:23:43.930 --> 01:23:46.090 in Santa Clara County, 01:23:46.090 --> 01:23:49.070 and the eight people and pets of the Dillon family 01:23:49.070 --> 01:23:50.790 in Contra Costa County. 01:23:50.790 --> 01:23:55.030 So in 2017, I joined the solar industry. 01:23:55.030 --> 01:23:57.400 Soon after, my daughter proudly declared 01:23:57.400 --> 01:24:00.530 at her elementary school's Daddy and Donuts Day 01:24:00.530 --> 01:24:02.360 that her dad was in solar. 01:24:02.360 --> 01:24:04.380 That is not something she would've been able to say 01:24:04.380 --> 01:24:06.500 when I was in semi-connectors. 01:24:06.500 --> 01:24:07.960 And I'm not sure if you know, 01:24:07.960 --> 01:24:11.170 but 8% of California homes have solar. 01:24:11.170 --> 01:24:13.630 We're second only to Hawaii in the United States, 01:24:13.630 --> 01:24:15.870 and our influence is staggering. 01:24:15.870 --> 01:24:18.350 Where California goes, the country goes, 01:24:18.350 --> 01:24:20.260 and indeed, where the world goes, 01:24:20.260 --> 01:24:22.560 and I take that very seriously. 01:24:22.560 --> 01:24:26.307 So I think we're in a unique position to unite the state 01:24:26.307 --> 01:24:28.440 and the country around solar. 01:24:28.440 --> 01:24:29.840 I'm actually a proud Republican 01:24:29.840 --> 01:24:33.010 who works alongside Democrats and independents alike 01:24:33.010 --> 01:24:35.390 to help the planet with this great technology. 01:24:35.390 --> 01:24:40.240 Not too many issues can unite the country like this. 01:24:40.240 --> 01:24:43.110 So let's reject this decision, so we can work together, 01:24:43.110 --> 01:24:45.040 change the world one rooftop at a time. 01:24:45.040 --> 01:24:46.110 In the process, (bell dinging) 01:24:46.110 --> 01:24:47.887 I can keep making daughter proud. 01:24:47.887 --> 01:24:48.780 Thank you very much. 01:24:48.780 --> 01:24:50.090 Thank you for your comment. 01:24:50.090 --> 01:24:51.723 Operator, next caller, please. 01:24:53.990 --> 01:24:56.160 Our next caller is Scott Connolly. 01:24:56.160 --> 01:24:57.010 You may go ahead. 01:24:58.260 --> 01:25:01.170 Yes, good morning from sunny Palm Springs. 01:25:01.170 --> 01:25:04.440 Do not let special interest of utility corporations 01:25:04.440 --> 01:25:06.590 try to dismantle solar incentives 01:25:06.590 --> 01:25:07.930 and the progress we have made 01:25:07.930 --> 01:25:09.930 to reduce our carbon emissions. 01:25:09.930 --> 01:25:11.888 I am proud to be a solar user, 01:25:11.888 --> 01:25:15.060 and it makes me feel good to be doing my part 01:25:15.060 --> 01:25:19.400 to help save the environment, and mitigate climate change. 01:25:19.400 --> 01:25:21.060 The proposal is unfair. 01:25:21.060 --> 01:25:24.620 It is an ex-post-facto-type law. 01:25:24.620 --> 01:25:27.780 It retroactively changes the legal consequences 01:25:27.780 --> 01:25:30.723 of actions that we made prior, 01:25:33.110 --> 01:25:36.450 before this, solar users made decisions 01:25:36.450 --> 01:25:38.280 and large financial investment 01:25:38.280 --> 01:25:41.410 based on the given factors at the time. 01:25:41.410 --> 01:25:42.500 We need to promote 01:25:42.500 --> 01:25:45.037 and provide incentives for rooftop solar, 01:25:45.037 --> 01:25:49.860 and to help mitigate climate change, and provide solar jobs. 01:25:49.860 --> 01:25:53.160 Thank you, and that's my end conclusion. 01:25:53.160 --> 01:25:54.030 Thank you. 01:25:54.030 --> 01:25:55.593 Operator, next caller, please. 01:25:58.720 --> 01:26:01.620 Our next caller is Jennifer Pickering-Kronick. 01:26:01.620 --> 01:26:02.470 You may go ahead. 01:26:05.640 --> 01:26:07.010 Hi. 01:26:07.010 --> 01:26:08.930 My name is Jennifer Pickering-Kronick. 01:26:08.930 --> 01:26:10.400 In late 2009, 01:26:10.400 --> 01:26:12.170 after being laid off for a second time 01:26:12.170 --> 01:26:14.050 within a 10 year period, 01:26:14.050 --> 01:26:16.050 I took the initiative to invest in solar training, 01:26:16.050 --> 01:26:19.070 and founded a small contracting firm in February of 2010 01:26:19.070 --> 01:26:20.973 called NewGen Energy Corporation. 01:26:21.810 --> 01:26:22.990 I'm passionate about solar, 01:26:22.990 --> 01:26:24.930 because I feel it's a critical technology 01:26:24.930 --> 01:26:26.630 to the reduction of greenhouse gases, 01:26:26.630 --> 01:26:29.960 which it protects future generations. 01:26:29.960 --> 01:26:31.660 On a personal note, for 12 years, 01:26:31.660 --> 01:26:35.340 solar has become the very foundation of my livelihood, 01:26:35.340 --> 01:26:37.410 that of an amazing small workforce, 01:26:37.410 --> 01:26:39.950 and thousands like us working hard every day 01:26:39.950 --> 01:26:41.733 in the California solar industry. 01:26:42.780 --> 01:26:43.613 As it's written, 01:26:43.613 --> 01:26:44.810 I'm extremely concerned about 01:26:45.912 --> 01:26:48.880 the negative impacts NEM3 will have on this industry. 01:26:48.880 --> 01:26:50.080 Not only is it gonna jeopardize 01:26:50.080 --> 01:26:53.267 the livelihoods of an incredible workforce in California, 01:26:53.267 --> 01:26:55.160 but it will debilitate future growth 01:26:55.160 --> 01:26:57.220 in a critical green energy. 01:26:57.220 --> 01:26:59.660 Please rewrite NEM3 to promote a more fair 01:26:59.660 --> 01:27:02.450 and balanced approach to this industry. 01:27:02.450 --> 01:27:03.283 Thank you. 01:27:04.200 --> 01:27:05.240 Thank you. 01:27:05.240 --> 01:27:06.940 Operator, our next caller, please. 01:27:08.567 --> 01:27:10.110 Our next caller is Jake Marshall. 01:27:10.110 --> 01:27:10.973 You may go ahead. 01:27:12.400 --> 01:27:13.850 Hi, my name's Jake Marshall 01:27:13.850 --> 01:27:16.540 with CED Greentech in San Diego. 01:27:16.540 --> 01:27:17.920 And I gotta tell you, 01:27:17.920 --> 01:27:19.970 I have 65 employees here, 01:27:19.970 --> 01:27:22.720 and they are all scared to death right now 01:27:22.720 --> 01:27:24.560 that their job is in jeopardy, 01:27:24.560 --> 01:27:26.190 and they don't deserve to feel like that 01:27:26.190 --> 01:27:28.180 in an industry that they put so much into 01:27:28.180 --> 01:27:31.130 for the past 12 years that we've been in business. 01:27:31.130 --> 01:27:33.423 In the past 18 months, 01:27:34.370 --> 01:27:37.580 we've had 12 brand new babies at our location 01:27:37.580 --> 01:27:39.190 with people who are starting their lives, 01:27:39.190 --> 01:27:42.150 and depending on this industry to support their families. 01:27:42.150 --> 01:27:43.840 These are hardworking people. 01:27:43.840 --> 01:27:47.210 You don't need a college degree to work in this industry 01:27:47.210 --> 01:27:48.810 or for my company. 01:27:48.810 --> 01:27:53.100 And so until you tell me where my people are gonna work 01:27:53.100 --> 01:27:57.100 once NEM3 goes through as proposed, 01:27:57.100 --> 01:28:00.630 then you cannot let this happen. 01:28:00.630 --> 01:28:04.960 So please, I want you to reject NEM3, 01:28:04.960 --> 01:28:07.020 unless you wanna go tell all these babies 01:28:07.020 --> 01:28:09.040 that their dads and moms don't have jobs. 01:28:09.040 --> 01:28:12.530 So you can tell Benny, and Sienna, and Nolan, 01:28:12.530 --> 01:28:17.530 and Nicoli, Farrow, Gage, Callem, Nicari, Mizel, Caleb, 01:28:17.750 --> 01:28:19.750 all these kids that 01:28:19.750 --> 01:28:21.962 their mom and dad- (bell dinging) 01:28:21.962 --> 01:28:24.630 Thank you very much for your comment. 01:28:24.630 --> 01:28:26.343 Operator, next caller, please. 01:28:27.930 --> 01:28:30.210 Our next caller is Daniel M. King. 01:28:30.210 --> 01:28:31.060 You may go ahead. 01:28:37.200 --> 01:28:38.033 Hi. 01:28:38.033 --> 01:28:40.245 My name's Daniel Lanking. 01:28:40.245 --> 01:28:41.078 Can you hear me? 01:28:42.090 --> 01:28:43.560 Yes, go ahead. 01:28:43.560 --> 01:28:44.900 Hi, my name's Daniel Lanking, 01:28:44.900 --> 01:28:47.940 and I'm an energy consultant for Sandbar Solar, 01:28:47.940 --> 01:28:50.230 which is a small electrical contractor 01:28:50.230 --> 01:28:52.890 employing about 50 people in Santa Cruz. 01:28:52.890 --> 01:28:55.210 I started working in solar in 2013, 01:28:55.210 --> 01:28:59.190 and I left the industry for a few years, 01:28:59.190 --> 01:29:00.340 but ultimately came back, 01:29:00.340 --> 01:29:02.910 because there's really no job that I like better 01:29:02.910 --> 01:29:05.180 than helping people use their rooftops 01:29:05.180 --> 01:29:08.960 to generate clean, reliable energy for their homes. 01:29:08.960 --> 01:29:10.740 Knowing that I'm making a difference for people 01:29:10.740 --> 01:29:12.470 and the planet is really what gets me 01:29:12.470 --> 01:29:13.920 out of bed every morning, 01:29:13.920 --> 01:29:16.480 and I'm sure that I'm not alone in that. 01:29:16.480 --> 01:29:19.260 The proposed decision is an absolute disaster, 01:29:19.260 --> 01:29:21.110 and I ask you to reject it outright, 01:29:21.110 --> 01:29:22.540 and come up with a new proposal 01:29:22.540 --> 01:29:25.320 that will allow California solar industry 01:29:25.320 --> 01:29:26.831 to continue to thrive. 01:29:26.831 --> 01:29:27.664 Thank you. 01:29:28.560 --> 01:29:29.393 Thank you. 01:29:29.393 --> 01:29:30.943 Operator, next caller, please. 01:29:33.660 --> 01:29:36.370 Our next caller is Susan Dembowski. 01:29:36.370 --> 01:29:37.220 You may go ahead. 01:29:38.240 --> 01:29:39.073 Good morning. 01:29:39.073 --> 01:29:40.389 My name is Susan Dembowski. 01:29:40.389 --> 01:29:43.430 I live in the San Gabriel Valley in Southern California. 01:29:43.430 --> 01:29:44.960 My interest in is in California 01:29:44.960 --> 01:29:46.880 achieving its clean energy goals, 01:29:46.880 --> 01:29:48.610 while ensuring energy equity 01:29:48.610 --> 01:29:50.430 for low to moderate income rate-payers, 01:29:50.430 --> 01:29:53.530 and encouraging good, local, clean energy jobs, 01:29:53.530 --> 01:29:56.440 and supporting small and minority businesses. 01:29:56.440 --> 01:29:59.280 However, the proposed decision is a solar tax, 01:29:59.280 --> 01:30:00.630 which will prevent California 01:30:00.630 --> 01:30:02.610 from realizing these objectives. 01:30:02.610 --> 01:30:05.480 It will discourage ratepayers of all incomes 01:30:05.480 --> 01:30:08.440 from making the big expenditures that will be required. 01:30:08.440 --> 01:30:10.277 It will be unaffordable for low, working, 01:30:10.277 --> 01:30:12.070 and middle class ratepayers. 01:30:12.070 --> 01:30:13.650 Only the wealthy will invest in it, 01:30:13.650 --> 01:30:16.440 while rooftop solar ratepayers will get back 01:30:16.440 --> 01:30:18.600 significantly less for the excess energy 01:30:18.600 --> 01:30:20.100 they export to the grid. 01:30:20.100 --> 01:30:23.390 All ratepayers will pay very high monthly solar fees. 01:30:23.390 --> 01:30:26.844 Please expand rooftop solar's attainability, 01:30:26.844 --> 01:30:29.840 especially for low to moderate income ratepayers, 01:30:29.840 --> 01:30:33.410 honor existing solar users' protection for 20 years, 01:30:33.410 --> 01:30:35.500 and don't target rooftop solar ratepayers 01:30:35.500 --> 01:30:37.630 with discriminatory fixed charges. 01:30:37.630 --> 01:30:38.463 Thank you. 01:30:39.800 --> 01:30:40.760 Thank you. 01:30:40.760 --> 01:30:42.580 Operator, next caller, please. 01:30:44.870 --> 01:30:46.950 Our next caller is Tim Glanville. 01:30:46.950 --> 01:30:47.783 You may go. 01:30:49.510 --> 01:30:50.660 Hi, thanks. 01:30:50.660 --> 01:30:51.493 My name is Tim Glanville. 01:30:51.493 --> 01:30:54.510 I work with Solar Technologies in the Bay Area. 01:30:54.510 --> 01:30:57.230 I've been in the solar industry for 10 years now. 01:30:57.230 --> 01:31:00.160 The proposed decision, or really, anything close to it, 01:31:00.160 --> 01:31:01.700 would kill my job, 01:31:01.700 --> 01:31:04.167 the jobs of the 80-plus employees in my company, 01:31:04.167 --> 01:31:05.750 and it could be a death sentence 01:31:05.750 --> 01:31:08.580 to California solar industry as a whole. 01:31:08.580 --> 01:31:11.650 The proposed NEM tariff provision is so counterintuitive 01:31:11.650 --> 01:31:13.350 to the climate goals of our state. 01:31:13.350 --> 01:31:15.990 It would be a huge step in the wrong direction. 01:31:15.990 --> 01:31:17.070 California should be a leader 01:31:17.070 --> 01:31:18.510 in the fight against climate change, 01:31:18.510 --> 01:31:22.350 and I urge the CPUC to reject this utility profit grab, 01:31:22.350 --> 01:31:25.400 and make sure solar remains a viable option for the people. 01:31:25.400 --> 01:31:26.910 Thank you. 01:31:26.910 --> 01:31:27.743 Thank you. 01:31:27.743 --> 01:31:29.143 Operator, next caller please. 01:31:31.730 --> 01:31:33.580 Our next caller is Jenny Ross. 01:31:33.580 --> 01:31:34.430 You may go ahead. 01:31:37.760 --> 01:31:39.310 Thank you for hearing me. 01:31:39.310 --> 01:31:41.010 My name is Sherry Ross, 01:31:41.010 --> 01:31:44.530 and I'm a senior citizen living in San Diego. 01:31:44.530 --> 01:31:47.430 And since 2018, my electric bill has tripled. 01:31:47.430 --> 01:31:50.090 I'm planning to use savings to purchase solar panels 01:31:50.090 --> 01:31:52.960 to help the environment and control my cost. 01:31:52.960 --> 01:31:56.530 It is unjust to force me to pay a tax to the utility 01:31:56.530 --> 01:31:58.860 for generating my own electricity. 01:31:58.860 --> 01:32:02.720 It is equally unjust to not honor the promises 01:32:02.720 --> 01:32:04.930 to current solar users. 01:32:04.930 --> 01:32:08.810 Your decision on net energy metering should be set aside. 01:32:08.810 --> 01:32:10.533 Again, thank you for hearing me. 01:32:11.370 --> 01:32:12.260 Thank you. 01:32:12.260 --> 01:32:13.760 Operator, next caller, please. 01:32:15.800 --> 01:32:17.220 Our next caller is Randy Wise. 01:32:17.220 --> 01:32:18.070 You may go ahead. 01:32:20.052 --> 01:32:22.034 Good morning, Commissioners. 01:32:22.034 --> 01:32:23.330 Does Governor Newsom 01:32:23.330 --> 01:32:26.450 and the CPUC really wanna associate themselves with PG&E? 01:32:27.540 --> 01:32:29.150 Here's a company who's responsible for 01:32:29.150 --> 01:32:31.890 over 2,000 wildfires in the last five years, 01:32:31.890 --> 01:32:35.630 and you want to reward them with a rooftop solar tax? 01:32:35.630 --> 01:32:37.130 Really? 01:32:37.130 --> 01:32:38.010 Here's a company who's 01:32:38.010 --> 01:32:39.940 inadvertently killed its own customers, 01:32:39.940 --> 01:32:42.390 and you're proposing giving them a bonus 01:32:42.390 --> 01:32:45.290 by gutting the solar power credit by 80%? 01:32:45.290 --> 01:32:46.490 Really? 01:32:46.490 --> 01:32:48.910 PG&E has been charged with multiple felonies, 01:32:48.910 --> 01:32:50.457 and you say, "Good job"! 01:32:50.457 --> 01:32:53.690 "We'll help you gut all rooftop solar power for decades." 01:32:53.690 --> 01:32:54.880 Really? 01:32:54.880 --> 01:32:55.713 Come on! 01:32:55.713 --> 01:32:59.160 Governor Newsom just survived a recall election last year. 01:32:59.160 --> 01:33:01.127 Does the CPUC really wanna **** off current 01:33:01.127 --> 01:33:03.750 and future rooftop solar homeowners, 01:33:03.750 --> 01:33:05.910 an enormous coalition of organizations 01:33:05.910 --> 01:33:07.690 and community leaders? 01:33:07.690 --> 01:33:08.523 Not to mention, 01:33:08.523 --> 01:33:09.460 responsible for laying off 01:33:09.460 --> 01:33:13.120 thousands of solar panel installers in an election year. 01:33:13.120 --> 01:33:14.530 Really? 01:33:14.530 --> 01:33:16.220 Let's get real. 01:33:16.220 --> 01:33:20.180 No one thinks your new NEM proposal is a good idea, 01:33:20.180 --> 01:33:21.970 and that's the real truth. 01:33:21.970 --> 01:33:23.070 Let's turn off the lights 01:33:23.070 --> 01:33:24.570 on this proposal- (bell dinging) 01:33:24.570 --> 01:33:25.878 Thank you very much. (interposing voices) 01:33:25.878 --> 01:33:27.223 Thank you for your comment. 01:33:28.490 --> 01:33:30.113 Operator, next caller, please. 01:33:31.630 --> 01:33:33.750 Our next caller is Wrede Whitney. 01:33:33.750 --> 01:33:34.600 You may go ahead. 01:33:36.370 --> 01:33:38.830 Hi, good morning, Commissioner President, 01:33:38.830 --> 01:33:40.810 and all those listening today. 01:33:40.810 --> 01:33:42.170 My name is Wrede Whitney, 01:33:42.170 --> 01:33:44.080 I'm the owner of WC Whitney, Inc, 01:33:44.080 --> 01:33:47.620 a renewable energy broker that started in the solar, 01:33:47.620 --> 01:33:50.893 California solar industry in 1983. 01:33:51.750 --> 01:33:56.480 We ask that the Utilities Commission do what's fair. 01:33:56.480 --> 01:33:57.750 We know that they're inundated 01:33:57.750 --> 01:33:59.660 with a lot of work at this point. 01:33:59.660 --> 01:34:04.130 But what is fair for not only the utility companies, 01:34:04.130 --> 01:34:06.310 but please the homeowners here in California 01:34:06.310 --> 01:34:07.433 who need it the most. 01:34:08.650 --> 01:34:10.780 The proposed decision of Net Metering 3 01:34:10.780 --> 01:34:14.590 as it's written now is definitely one-sided, 01:34:14.590 --> 01:34:16.193 and not fair to the homeowners. 01:34:17.180 --> 01:34:19.450 We ask that you reject this proposal, 01:34:19.450 --> 01:34:21.030 and create something that's fair. 01:34:21.030 --> 01:34:21.863 Thank you. 01:34:22.710 --> 01:34:23.543 Thank you. 01:34:23.543 --> 01:34:24.923 Operator, next caller, please. 01:34:27.360 --> 01:34:29.040 Our next caller is Steve Chan. 01:34:29.040 --> 01:34:29.890 You may go ahead. 01:34:32.210 --> 01:34:33.990 Hi, thank you for your time. 01:34:33.990 --> 01:34:34.850 My name's Steve Chan, 01:34:34.850 --> 01:34:37.030 and I work at a company called TerraVerde Energy 01:34:37.030 --> 01:34:38.690 based out of San Francisco. 01:34:38.690 --> 01:34:41.370 I'm calling today as a solar worker, 01:34:41.370 --> 01:34:42.347 yes, and who depends on this. 01:34:42.347 --> 01:34:46.680 I've been working in solar for the past three, four years. 01:34:46.680 --> 01:34:49.430 I'm a young professional only in my mid-20s, 01:34:49.430 --> 01:34:52.250 and I'm also calling to you as a young person 01:34:52.250 --> 01:34:55.050 who has to live for the next 80 years on this planet, 01:34:55.050 --> 01:34:56.890 who has to deal with the climate impacts, 01:34:56.890 --> 01:34:58.720 who has to deal with these wildfires. 01:34:58.720 --> 01:35:00.230 I'm a lifelong Californian. 01:35:00.230 --> 01:35:01.063 Born and raised here. 01:35:01.063 --> 01:35:02.010 And I love California. 01:35:02.010 --> 01:35:05.230 But every year, we see that these effects are getting worse. 01:35:05.230 --> 01:35:06.730 The droughts are getting worse. 01:35:06.730 --> 01:35:08.230 Fires getting worse. 01:35:08.230 --> 01:35:10.130 And this is my life that I'm talking about here. 01:35:10.130 --> 01:35:12.330 I'm speaking for my own self-interest, 01:35:12.330 --> 01:35:14.230 and for the self-interest of Millennials 01:35:14.230 --> 01:35:16.320 and Gen Zs who have to deal with these impacts. 01:35:16.320 --> 01:35:19.557 So yes, I'm talking to you for my livelihood, for my job, 01:35:19.557 --> 01:35:21.140 and I wanna keep working in this industry, 01:35:21.140 --> 01:35:21.973 and I love working in this industry, 01:35:21.973 --> 01:35:24.210 but also, just my life. 01:35:24.210 --> 01:35:25.170 I deserve... 01:35:25.170 --> 01:35:28.470 I have a right to have a good, and fair, 01:35:28.470 --> 01:35:30.433 and safe life on this planet. 01:35:30.433 --> 01:35:32.108 Thank you. 01:35:32.108 --> 01:35:32.941 Thank you. 01:35:32.941 --> 01:35:34.273 Operator, next caller, please. 01:35:35.971 --> 01:35:37.730 Our next caller is Cynthia Lau. 01:35:37.730 --> 01:35:38.580 You may go ahead. 01:35:40.740 --> 01:35:41.990 Hello? 01:35:41.990 --> 01:35:43.370 Can you hear me? 01:35:43.370 --> 01:35:44.203 Yes, I can. 01:35:44.203 --> 01:35:45.630 Please proceed. 01:35:45.630 --> 01:35:47.010 My name is Cynthia Lau. 01:35:47.010 --> 01:35:48.420 I'm from Stockton. 01:35:48.420 --> 01:35:51.790 I am a member of the CEEE. 01:35:51.790 --> 01:35:54.517 I am also involved in various community 01:35:54.517 --> 01:35:56.300 and civical organization. 01:35:56.300 --> 01:35:57.800 Before any meeting, 01:35:57.800 --> 01:35:59.850 someone would always mention the weather, 01:35:59.850 --> 01:36:02.060 and the rising cost of utilities. 01:36:02.060 --> 01:36:04.700 No real mention of the role of climate change 01:36:04.700 --> 01:36:09.590 and systemic inequity, which has led to these rising costs. 01:36:09.590 --> 01:36:11.300 I would like for you to reconsider 01:36:11.300 --> 01:36:13.960 your proposed decision on net metering. 01:36:13.960 --> 01:36:16.180 Please revise the current proposal, 01:36:16.180 --> 01:36:18.560 and ensure that there are no civil tax, 01:36:18.560 --> 01:36:20.680 solar becomes more affordable 01:36:20.680 --> 01:36:23.030 for working and middle class households, 01:36:23.030 --> 01:36:25.670 and honor the existing 20 year protection 01:36:25.670 --> 01:36:29.280 for solar users on NEM1 and NEM2. 01:36:29.280 --> 01:36:33.000 We wanna decrease our reliance on fossil fuels, 01:36:33.000 --> 01:36:35.260 and increase renewable energy 01:36:35.260 --> 01:36:37.730 to meet our climate change goals. 01:36:37.730 --> 01:36:41.040 More rooftops solar will also help to protect 01:36:41.040 --> 01:36:43.490 the last of our remaining open space. 01:36:43.490 --> 01:36:46.070 Rooftop solar reduces the need 01:36:46.070 --> 01:36:49.570 for large solar wind farms and transmission lines. 01:36:49.570 --> 01:36:51.750 Please reconsider. (bell dinging) 01:36:51.750 --> 01:36:54.220 Thank you. Thank you very much. 01:36:54.220 --> 01:36:55.783 Operator, next caller, please. 01:36:58.220 --> 01:37:00.750 Our next caller is from Larry Giustino. 01:37:00.750 --> 01:37:01.600 You may go ahead. 01:37:02.860 --> 01:37:05.320 Yes, my name is Larry Giustino, 01:37:05.320 --> 01:37:09.340 president of A1 Sun in Berkeley, California. 01:37:09.340 --> 01:37:10.950 We're a small company. 01:37:10.950 --> 01:37:13.510 We employ about 20 people with good benefits, 01:37:13.510 --> 01:37:15.603 and central services in the Bay Area. 01:37:16.500 --> 01:37:19.190 So while growing our career is extremely important, 01:37:19.190 --> 01:37:21.070 there are a few things that need to be attended to. 01:37:21.070 --> 01:37:24.480 First, the utility analysis doesn't give 01:37:24.480 --> 01:37:27.340 full credit for solar kilowatts. 01:37:27.340 --> 01:37:29.390 It doesn't include AC load reduction, 01:37:29.390 --> 01:37:31.240 wildfire risk reduction, 01:37:31.240 --> 01:37:33.590 or local efficiency gains, health benefits, 01:37:33.590 --> 01:37:35.520 all these things that are not in that analysis. 01:37:35.520 --> 01:37:36.970 So it's flawed. 01:37:36.970 --> 01:37:39.290 So the imaginary cost shift 01:37:39.290 --> 01:37:41.700 doesn't give full credit for solar benefits, 01:37:41.700 --> 01:37:43.270 so it results in an undervaluation. 01:37:43.270 --> 01:37:45.253 That's a big flaw. 01:37:45.253 --> 01:37:48.210 If the utilities really wanna help lower income households 01:37:48.210 --> 01:37:49.910 take the millions of dollars that are wasted 01:37:49.910 --> 01:37:51.040 on these misleading ads, 01:37:51.040 --> 01:37:52.880 and provide it directly to the folks 01:37:52.880 --> 01:37:55.820 that are struggling with their bills, clear. 01:37:55.820 --> 01:37:57.820 Second, Gavin Newsom, you know, 01:37:57.820 --> 01:38:01.480 he's introduced this new energy charging structure. 01:38:01.480 --> 01:38:04.170 How are we gonna charge that with coal? 01:38:04.170 --> 01:38:05.310 Okay, third, 01:38:05.310 --> 01:38:07.610 utilities claim there's a surplus of solar energy. 01:38:07.610 --> 01:38:08.443 Incorrect. 01:38:08.443 --> 01:38:09.993 We can easily store solar energy, 01:38:10.910 --> 01:38:13.236 and solve some urgent challenges. 01:38:13.236 --> 01:38:14.590 At the same time- (bell dinging) 01:38:14.590 --> 01:38:16.726 Of ocean water, pumping water- Thank you very much. 01:38:16.726 --> 01:38:17.882 Thank you for your comment. (interposing voices) 01:38:17.882 --> 01:38:19.020 To produce green hydrogen, et cetera. 01:38:19.020 --> 01:38:20.080 So instead of just- Thank you. 01:38:20.080 --> 01:38:21.090 We do need to end now. (interposing voices) 01:38:21.090 --> 01:38:23.550 Operator, next caller, please. Stop! 01:38:25.967 --> 01:38:28.410 Our next caller is Rebecca Ruben. 01:38:28.410 --> 01:38:29.260 You may go ahead. 01:38:31.780 --> 01:38:33.280 Hi, my name is Rebecca Ruben, 01:38:33.280 --> 01:38:35.430 and I live in Felton, California, 01:38:35.430 --> 01:38:37.420 and I'm a rooftop solar user. 01:38:37.420 --> 01:38:39.160 We put solar on our home just last year, 01:38:39.160 --> 01:38:41.650 because my electricity bills were over $200, 01:38:41.650 --> 01:38:44.300 as well as the power outages we experience from PG&E. 01:38:45.550 --> 01:38:46.940 Rooftop solar and a storage battery 01:38:46.940 --> 01:38:48.390 is the best way to protect ourselves 01:38:48.390 --> 01:38:51.240 from constant rate hikes and power outages. 01:38:51.240 --> 01:38:53.040 We should be able to control our energy bills, 01:38:53.040 --> 01:38:54.440 and give back to the environment, 01:38:54.440 --> 01:38:56.130 especially when we are expected to switch 01:38:56.130 --> 01:38:58.370 to electric cars and appliances. 01:38:58.370 --> 01:39:00.400 Rooftop solar let's us do that. 01:39:00.400 --> 01:39:03.740 I strongly oppose the proposed M 3.0 decision. 01:39:03.740 --> 01:39:06.230 Please, no solar tax of any kind. 01:39:06.230 --> 01:39:08.257 Ensure that solar becomes more affordable for working 01:39:08.257 --> 01:39:10.810 and middle class households, not less. 01:39:10.810 --> 01:39:12.790 And honor the existing 20 year protection 01:39:12.790 --> 01:39:14.440 for solar users like myself. 01:39:14.440 --> 01:39:16.440 Thank you for your time. 01:39:16.440 --> 01:39:17.273 Thank you. 01:39:17.273 --> 01:39:18.930 Operator, our next caller, please. 01:39:22.853 --> 01:39:23.817 Our next caller is Peter Aardema. 01:39:23.817 --> 01:39:25.363 You may go ahead. 01:39:30.620 --> 01:39:31.453 Hello? 01:39:31.453 --> 01:39:32.960 Yeah, my name is Peter Aardema. 01:39:32.960 --> 01:39:36.160 I'm an installer in San Diego. 01:39:36.160 --> 01:39:37.777 I've got five employees. 01:39:37.777 --> 01:39:39.140 From what I can tell, 01:39:39.140 --> 01:39:42.070 this net effective NEM 3.0 is to move panels 01:39:42.070 --> 01:39:43.780 from their maintenance of homeowners 01:39:43.780 --> 01:39:45.340 to the utility companies. 01:39:45.340 --> 01:39:47.460 The utility companies want to put this, 01:39:47.460 --> 01:39:49.700 put these panels out in the middle of the desert, 01:39:49.700 --> 01:39:51.860 far away from the homes they supply, 01:39:51.860 --> 01:39:53.680 then dragged to potentially dangerous 01:39:53.680 --> 01:39:55.140 and visually offensive power lines 01:39:55.140 --> 01:39:57.640 all over the state to reach their customers. 01:39:57.640 --> 01:39:59.660 This would put many of the 500 callers 01:39:59.660 --> 01:40:02.620 currently in this queue, not to mention me, 01:40:02.620 --> 01:40:03.980 and their employees out of business, 01:40:03.980 --> 01:40:06.130 with no one to support the existing systems 01:40:08.004 --> 01:40:09.450 they carefully installed. 01:40:09.450 --> 01:40:11.110 What happens if this passes as written, 01:40:11.110 --> 01:40:13.840 and the pushback is then coming from environmental groups, 01:40:13.840 --> 01:40:16.330 Indian tribes, groups that are forced to live 01:40:16.330 --> 01:40:18.270 next to a once open field of panels, 01:40:18.270 --> 01:40:21.650 instead of valuable California open space? 01:40:21.650 --> 01:40:23.830 Is this really the direction we want to go? 01:40:23.830 --> 01:40:25.460 Give more power to the few, 01:40:25.460 --> 01:40:26.653 take it away from the public? 01:40:26.653 --> 01:40:28.220 This is exactly what's wrong 01:40:28.220 --> 01:40:30.100 with most of California's policies, 01:40:30.100 --> 01:40:32.220 and what's driving people away. 01:40:32.220 --> 01:40:33.301 This favors the rich. 01:40:33.301 --> 01:40:35.150 It favors monopolies, (bell dinging) 01:40:35.150 --> 01:40:36.910 and ignores the wishes of its residents. 01:40:36.910 --> 01:40:37.743 Very much. 01:40:37.743 --> 01:40:39.330 We appreciate your comment. 01:40:39.330 --> 01:40:40.830 Operator, next caller, please. 01:40:43.300 --> 01:40:45.400 Our next caller is Margaret *******. 01:40:45.400 --> 01:40:46.250 You may go ahead. 01:40:48.070 --> 01:40:50.330 Yes, my name is Margaret *******. 01:40:50.330 --> 01:40:51.260 Good morning. 01:40:51.260 --> 01:40:52.770 I live in Santa Cruz, California, 01:40:52.770 --> 01:40:56.480 and I strongly oppose the current M 3.0 proposal. 01:40:56.480 --> 01:40:58.530 The utilities are claiming 01:40:58.530 --> 01:41:00.960 that the current system is inequitable, 01:41:00.960 --> 01:41:02.030 while at the same time, 01:41:02.030 --> 01:41:04.780 they continue to rely heavily on fossil fuels 01:41:04.780 --> 01:41:06.520 and natural gas power plants, 01:41:06.520 --> 01:41:08.550 which are disproportionately located 01:41:08.550 --> 01:41:09.940 in disadvantaged communities. 01:41:09.940 --> 01:41:12.370 These communities have extreme exposure 01:41:12.370 --> 01:41:15.180 to fossil fuel toxins and dangerous chemicals. 01:41:15.180 --> 01:41:18.250 It has resulted in their children having asthma, 01:41:18.250 --> 01:41:20.530 and being born with birth defects. 01:41:20.530 --> 01:41:22.830 This kind of inequity is real inequity. 01:41:22.830 --> 01:41:25.020 The more solar reliant we become, 01:41:25.020 --> 01:41:27.010 the less fossil fuels we use, 01:41:27.010 --> 01:41:31.400 and the safer lower income and communities of color are. 01:41:31.400 --> 01:41:32.940 The real equity issue is about 01:41:32.940 --> 01:41:34.940 the devastating effects of fossil fuels. 01:41:34.940 --> 01:41:37.680 We cannot move away from fossil fuels without solar 01:41:37.680 --> 01:41:40.650 and rooftop solar is an essential piece 01:41:40.650 --> 01:41:41.980 of the solar solution. 01:41:41.980 --> 01:41:46.640 So I do not believe that NEM3 is good for the middle class 01:41:46.640 --> 01:41:47.760 or lower income people, 01:41:47.760 --> 01:41:51.280 who include almost 50% of solar users. 01:41:51.280 --> 01:41:52.620 This model will make 01:41:52.620 --> 01:41:55.370 all solar users- (bell dinging) 01:41:55.370 --> 01:41:57.070 Thank you very much. 01:41:57.070 --> 01:41:58.890 Operator, next caller, please. 01:42:04.070 --> 01:42:05.760 Our next caller is Sandra Rennie. 01:42:05.760 --> 01:42:06.610 You may go ahead. 01:42:08.480 --> 01:42:09.313 Good morning. 01:42:09.313 --> 01:42:12.780 Thank you for hearing my story, which is a personal one. 01:42:12.780 --> 01:42:15.770 Presently, a solar system is being installed 01:42:15.770 --> 01:42:17.770 on the roof of our house. 01:42:17.770 --> 01:42:20.870 We're adding solar to do our part for the climate, 01:42:20.870 --> 01:42:22.610 to lower our energy bill, 01:42:22.610 --> 01:42:25.770 and to be able to afford to be a bit warmer. 01:42:25.770 --> 01:42:29.570 We live in mild climate San Diego County. 01:42:29.570 --> 01:42:33.290 Even so, in winter, our house is cold. 01:42:33.290 --> 01:42:36.800 We turn the heat on for only two hours in the morning, 01:42:36.800 --> 01:42:38.520 and then we turn it off, 01:42:38.520 --> 01:42:43.363 because our winter bill is nearly $700 per month. 01:42:44.330 --> 01:42:47.050 I am constantly cold, 01:42:47.050 --> 01:42:48.960 even with two sweaters. 01:42:48.960 --> 01:42:53.960 My husband and I are retired with modest incomes. 01:42:53.990 --> 01:42:58.700 Our new solar system will pay for itself in 7.1 years 01:42:58.700 --> 01:43:01.350 under the present rate structure. 01:43:01.350 --> 01:43:03.990 If the PUC adopts this change 01:43:03.990 --> 01:43:06.770 as requested by the utility company, 01:43:06.770 --> 01:43:08.920 the value of our energy savings 01:43:08.920 --> 01:43:11.640 will basically go to the utility. 01:43:11.640 --> 01:43:14.590 We will not be able to afford more warmth, 01:43:14.590 --> 01:43:17.300 and I don't think- (bell dinging) 01:43:17.300 --> 01:43:18.520 Thank you very much. 01:43:18.520 --> 01:43:20.360 We appreciate your comment. 01:43:20.360 --> 01:43:21.973 Operator, next caller, please. 01:43:25.430 --> 01:43:26.960 Our next caller is Henry Maui. 01:43:26.960 --> 01:43:27.823 You may go ahead. 01:43:30.220 --> 01:43:33.650 Hi, my wife and I are solar customers 01:43:33.650 --> 01:43:36.040 living in San Francisco. 01:43:36.040 --> 01:43:39.500 Like many of the electricity customers in California 01:43:39.500 --> 01:43:42.570 who invested in solar panels and batteries, 01:43:42.570 --> 01:43:46.270 we will likely not break even for 20 or more years 01:43:46.270 --> 01:43:49.920 on our investment under our current rate system. 01:43:49.920 --> 01:43:51.010 We did it mainly 01:43:51.010 --> 01:43:55.130 because it's the right thing to do to combat climate change. 01:43:55.130 --> 01:43:58.990 NEM3 penalizes current solar customers, 01:43:58.990 --> 01:44:00.380 and will likely discourage 01:44:00.380 --> 01:44:03.160 any other customers from going solar. 01:44:03.160 --> 01:44:06.920 This is a big gift to the fossil fuel industry 01:44:06.920 --> 01:44:10.280 at the expense of future generations 01:44:10.280 --> 01:44:13.320 dealing with the effects of climate change. 01:44:13.320 --> 01:44:16.993 We should be encouraging customers to adopt solar energy. 01:44:17.930 --> 01:44:20.750 When PG&E needs more income from its customers, 01:44:20.750 --> 01:44:22.750 it seems only fair that this comes from 01:44:22.750 --> 01:44:25.170 an increase to the grid maintenance fee 01:44:25.170 --> 01:44:28.440 and electric rates equally to all customers, 01:44:28.440 --> 01:44:29.720 solar and non-solar. 01:44:29.720 --> 01:44:33.070 And for the past 105 minutes, 01:44:33.070 --> 01:44:35.710 you have yet to hear from anyone supporting NEM3. 01:44:36.769 --> 01:44:38.614 Doesn't that tell you something? 01:44:38.614 --> 01:44:39.447 Thank you. 01:44:39.447 --> 01:44:40.280 Thank you very much. 01:44:40.280 --> 01:44:42.400 We appreciate your comment. 01:44:42.400 --> 01:44:43.943 Operator, next caller, please. 01:44:45.500 --> 01:44:47.420 Our next caller is Richard Blum. 01:44:47.420 --> 01:44:48.270 You may go ahead. 01:44:50.800 --> 01:44:52.280 Hello, Richard Blum. 01:44:52.280 --> 01:44:54.560 I'm a homeowner in San Diego. 01:44:54.560 --> 01:44:55.890 To address global warming, 01:44:55.890 --> 01:44:59.813 we need more, not less, solar energy generation. 01:44:59.813 --> 01:45:04.250 This proposal would drastically decrease new 01:45:04.250 --> 01:45:07.020 photovoltaic deployment with associated adverse effects 01:45:07.020 --> 01:45:10.100 on jobs and climate change. 01:45:10.100 --> 01:45:11.890 There's a problem with time of day mismatch 01:45:11.890 --> 01:45:13.800 between generation and use. 01:45:13.800 --> 01:45:16.460 The solution is better storage. 01:45:16.460 --> 01:45:18.010 We don't have a battery on our system, 01:45:18.010 --> 01:45:19.830 and are concerned about both cost, 01:45:19.830 --> 01:45:22.583 and the risk of overheating and fire. 01:45:23.440 --> 01:45:25.580 Storage technology will catch up, 01:45:25.580 --> 01:45:29.700 but we need more photovoltaic panels on the roofs now, 01:45:29.700 --> 01:45:31.490 not sometime in the future. 01:45:31.490 --> 01:45:33.030 Claims that this proposal is about 01:45:33.030 --> 01:45:35.470 redistribution of wealth or income is a hoax, 01:45:35.470 --> 01:45:36.303 and in any case, 01:45:36.303 --> 01:45:38.611 would be the wrong approach to those issues. 01:45:38.611 --> 01:45:40.687 Thank you. 01:45:40.687 --> 01:45:41.673 Thank you. 01:45:41.673 --> 01:45:43.540 I did wanna take a moment to 01:45:43.540 --> 01:45:45.290 thank everyone for their patience. 01:45:45.290 --> 01:45:48.620 We still have over 300 callers in the queue, 01:45:48.620 --> 01:45:50.410 and I wanted to let everyone know 01:45:50.410 --> 01:45:54.110 that we'll be taking a 15 minute break at noon. 01:45:54.110 --> 01:45:56.530 Until then, we'll proceed with the callers. 01:45:56.530 --> 01:45:58.133 Operator, next caller, please. 01:46:00.350 --> 01:46:02.360 Our next caller is Kenny Tew. 01:46:02.360 --> 01:46:03.210 You may go ahead. 01:46:04.220 --> 01:46:05.053 Hi, good morning. 01:46:05.053 --> 01:46:06.220 And thank you for the opportunity 01:46:06.220 --> 01:46:08.280 to address the Commission this morning. 01:46:08.280 --> 01:46:09.280 My name is Kenny Tew. 01:46:09.280 --> 01:46:12.900 I work for a company called GoGreenSolar in Orange County. 01:46:12.900 --> 01:46:16.170 We're a really small business with just 24 employees. 01:46:16.170 --> 01:46:19.900 Every employee is very critical to our success. 01:46:19.900 --> 01:46:23.260 If NEM 3.0 moves forward under the PD, 01:46:23.260 --> 01:46:26.043 it would devastate our business, our lives, 01:46:27.162 --> 01:46:29.620 and the families of all of our employees. 01:46:29.620 --> 01:46:30.700 We love our work. 01:46:30.700 --> 01:46:33.010 We consider it a calling and a mission. 01:46:33.010 --> 01:46:36.360 When one of our customers completes their solar project, 01:46:36.360 --> 01:46:38.110 we have taken a small step 01:46:38.110 --> 01:46:39.790 to provide a more sustainable planet 01:46:39.790 --> 01:46:41.800 for generations to come. 01:46:41.800 --> 01:46:43.300 Our customers are much like us, 01:46:43.300 --> 01:46:45.510 hardworking and middle class families 01:46:45.510 --> 01:46:47.550 trying to improve their lives and communities. 01:46:47.550 --> 01:46:51.860 NEM makes rooftop solar a terrible investment, period. 01:46:51.860 --> 01:46:54.360 I encourage the Commission to stop, 01:46:54.360 --> 01:46:56.460 follow your mission statement, 01:46:56.460 --> 01:46:59.293 and draft a new decision that protects California jobs, 01:47:00.826 --> 01:47:03.210 our economy, families, the environment, and consumers. 01:47:03.210 --> 01:47:05.310 Thank you for your time and consideration. 01:47:06.580 --> 01:47:07.413 Thank you. 01:47:07.413 --> 01:47:08.873 Operator, next caller, please. 01:47:10.918 --> 01:47:12.730 Our next caller is Tom Cotter. 01:47:12.730 --> 01:47:13.580 You may go ahead. 01:47:18.660 --> 01:47:19.970 My name is Tom Cotter. 01:47:19.970 --> 01:47:23.130 I'm with Powur, a public benefit corporation. 01:47:23.130 --> 01:47:25.410 I've worked in solar for 15 years, 01:47:25.410 --> 01:47:28.600 and the sole provider for my wife and three kids. 01:47:28.600 --> 01:47:30.790 I've also had solar on my house in Clovis 01:47:30.790 --> 01:47:32.980 for the last 13 years. 01:47:32.980 --> 01:47:35.670 I'm incredibly proud of the solar progress 01:47:35.670 --> 01:47:37.190 we've made in our state. 01:47:37.190 --> 01:47:38.610 It was just a few years ago 01:47:38.610 --> 01:47:40.600 we celebrated the success 01:47:40.600 --> 01:47:42.490 of the Million Solar Roofs Initiative 01:47:42.490 --> 01:47:45.180 with Governor Schwarzenegger and Brown. 01:47:45.180 --> 01:47:47.640 But I'm deeply concerned about this PD, 01:47:47.640 --> 01:47:51.210 because, as written, it would reverse our progress, 01:47:51.210 --> 01:47:54.220 and end my career in California, 01:47:54.220 --> 01:47:55.780 and it would decimate the careers 01:47:55.780 --> 01:47:58.470 of thousands of solar professionals I know, 01:47:58.470 --> 01:48:01.110 and force hundreds of us to leave the state. 01:48:01.110 --> 01:48:04.340 I respectfully request the Commission push pause, 01:48:04.340 --> 01:48:05.760 and rethink the PD. 01:48:05.760 --> 01:48:07.320 Thank you. 01:48:07.320 --> 01:48:08.180 Thank you. 01:48:08.180 --> 01:48:09.680 Operator, next caller, please. 01:48:18.830 --> 01:48:20.860 Our next caller is Rozz Sohailey. 01:48:20.860 --> 01:48:21.710 You may go ahead. 01:48:23.640 --> 01:48:25.420 Hello, my name is Rozz Sohailey, 01:48:25.420 --> 01:48:27.380 and I am a California native. 01:48:27.380 --> 01:48:30.800 I've always been so proud to be from a progressive state 01:48:30.800 --> 01:48:32.090 that champions initiative 01:48:32.090 --> 01:48:34.520 that paves the way for other states to follow. 01:48:34.520 --> 01:48:36.560 I am heartbroken and disgusted 01:48:36.560 --> 01:48:38.330 that during our climate crisis, 01:48:38.330 --> 01:48:40.000 when we are supposed to be working to meet 01:48:40.000 --> 01:48:41.440 our clean energy goals, 01:48:41.440 --> 01:48:44.590 you're considering taxing people for having solar. 01:48:44.590 --> 01:48:46.790 I'm completely opposed to the solar tax 01:48:46.790 --> 01:48:49.580 or any fees that would punish folks who have solar. 01:48:49.580 --> 01:48:50.950 This is wrong. 01:48:50.950 --> 01:48:52.370 It is completely immoral. 01:48:52.370 --> 01:48:53.780 If you care about our futures 01:48:53.780 --> 01:48:55.460 and the generations that follow, 01:48:55.460 --> 01:48:58.280 you will do all that you can to protect clean energy. 01:48:58.280 --> 01:49:00.560 No taxes or fees on renewable energy. 01:49:00.560 --> 01:49:02.330 Not now, not ever. 01:49:02.330 --> 01:49:03.530 Thank you for listening. 01:49:04.460 --> 01:49:05.293 Thank you. 01:49:05.293 --> 01:49:06.603 Operator, next caller, please. 01:49:08.330 --> 01:49:10.907 Our next caller is Niels Lund. 01:49:10.907 --> 01:49:12.687 You may go ahead. 01:49:12.687 --> 01:49:13.906 Yes, hi, thank you. 01:49:13.906 --> 01:49:15.920 My name is Neils Lund. 01:49:15.920 --> 01:49:18.870 I live in Encinitas in Southern California. 01:49:18.870 --> 01:49:21.758 My wife and I are both retired, moderate income. 01:49:21.758 --> 01:49:25.520 I have solar panels on my house and an electric car, 01:49:25.520 --> 01:49:29.300 so I feel proud to drive and partially heat my home 01:49:29.300 --> 01:49:31.310 with the power from the sun. 01:49:31.310 --> 01:49:34.560 I'm reducing the consumption of fossil fuel, 01:49:34.560 --> 01:49:38.200 doing what I can to combat climate change. 01:49:38.200 --> 01:49:42.500 If a solar tax was forced on me, I would feel betrayed. 01:49:42.500 --> 01:49:43.580 It's not fair 01:49:43.580 --> 01:49:45.580 that those of us doing the right thing 01:49:45.580 --> 01:49:47.180 to help save our planet 01:49:47.180 --> 01:49:50.040 should be penalized with a solar tax. 01:49:50.040 --> 01:49:51.940 I spent a considerable amount of money 01:49:51.940 --> 01:49:55.670 to do the right thing to help with California's efforts 01:49:55.670 --> 01:49:57.640 to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, 01:49:57.640 --> 01:50:00.700 and I should not be penalized for doing so. 01:50:00.700 --> 01:50:03.770 A solar tax is a betrayal of me 01:50:03.770 --> 01:50:06.790 and our beautiful state of California. 01:50:06.790 --> 01:50:08.259 Thank you. 01:50:08.259 --> 01:50:09.092 Thank you. 01:50:09.092 --> 01:50:10.523 Operator, next caller, please. 01:50:12.840 --> 01:50:14.710 Our next caller is Cynthia Chalet. 01:50:14.710 --> 01:50:15.560 You may go ahead. 01:50:16.840 --> 01:50:18.310 Hi, this is Cynthia Chalet. 01:50:18.310 --> 01:50:19.810 I'm in Sacramento. 01:50:19.810 --> 01:50:23.190 And I wanna tell you that we need to promote 01:50:23.190 --> 01:50:26.620 the faster use of rooftop solar, not slow it down. 01:50:26.620 --> 01:50:29.130 Even our local utility says 01:50:29.130 --> 01:50:31.580 that they can not meet their solar goals 01:50:31.580 --> 01:50:34.780 without doubling rooftop solar in Sacramento. 01:50:34.780 --> 01:50:38.570 And we will not do that if you put this extra tax on solar. 01:50:38.570 --> 01:50:41.000 No solar tax, please! 01:50:41.000 --> 01:50:45.670 And save jobs, save the climate, look up. 01:50:45.670 --> 01:50:46.503 Thank you. 01:50:46.503 --> 01:50:47.336 Bye. 01:50:47.336 --> 01:50:48.169 Thank you. 01:50:48.169 --> 01:50:49.050 Thank you. 01:50:49.050 --> 01:50:50.550 Operator, next caller, please. 01:50:54.940 --> 01:50:57.200 Our next caller is Teresa Acero. 01:50:57.200 --> 01:50:58.243 You may go ahead. 01:50:59.540 --> 01:51:00.390 Hello? 01:51:01.580 --> 01:51:02.963 Yes, we can hear you. 01:51:04.140 --> 01:51:07.250 Hello? Please go ahead. 01:51:07.250 --> 01:51:08.083 Oh. 01:51:08.083 --> 01:51:09.590 Hi, my name is Teresa Acero. 01:51:09.590 --> 01:51:10.610 I live in Chula Vista, 01:51:10.610 --> 01:51:13.970 and I've had solar for over 20 years. 01:51:13.970 --> 01:51:15.450 I overproduce. 01:51:15.450 --> 01:51:16.620 I've always overproduced, 01:51:16.620 --> 01:51:20.530 and SDGE sells my extra kilowatts 01:51:20.530 --> 01:51:23.400 for much more than it credits me for. 01:51:23.400 --> 01:51:24.630 Now I have a battery, 01:51:24.630 --> 01:51:28.740 and I only use the grid to give SDG&E energy. 01:51:28.740 --> 01:51:30.410 Charging me to use the grid 01:51:30.410 --> 01:51:33.950 is like charging a power plant to use the grid. 01:51:33.950 --> 01:51:36.770 Solar on rooftop saves money for everyone, 01:51:36.770 --> 01:51:40.580 and saves our valuable open space environment 01:51:40.580 --> 01:51:44.210 from destruction by huge, unnecessary projects. 01:51:44.210 --> 01:51:47.920 The state and utilities should rent rooftops from landlords 01:51:47.920 --> 01:51:51.430 and low income residents for solar and batteries. 01:51:51.430 --> 01:51:56.430 The city should reduce the minimum amount paid to utilities, 01:51:57.960 --> 01:52:00.200 since growing numbers of CCAs 01:52:00.200 --> 01:52:05.200 is making them into bill makers and maintenance providers. 01:52:07.860 --> 01:52:10.290 Much less costly jobs than 01:52:10.290 --> 01:52:14.740 providing electric utilities. (bell dinging) 01:52:14.740 --> 01:52:15.573 Thank you. 01:52:15.573 --> 01:52:16.950 Thank you very much. 01:52:16.950 --> 01:52:18.450 Operator, next caller, please. 01:52:19.686 --> 01:52:22.930 Our next caller is Kaylee Underhill. 01:52:22.930 --> 01:52:23.780 You may go ahead. 01:52:25.350 --> 01:52:26.680 My name is Kaylee Underhill, 01:52:26.680 --> 01:52:28.790 and I live in Long Beach, California. 01:52:28.790 --> 01:52:31.860 I'm calling in today because the sun belongs to everyone, 01:52:31.860 --> 01:52:34.150 and the last thing we should do is tax it. 01:52:34.150 --> 01:52:37.100 No solar tax, not even a dime. 01:52:37.100 --> 01:52:38.980 This Commission has an honorable objective 01:52:38.980 --> 01:52:41.360 to help Californians receive safe, clean, 01:52:41.360 --> 01:52:43.730 and affordable utility services. 01:52:43.730 --> 01:52:46.500 The utilities' long distance power lines are not safe, 01:52:46.500 --> 01:52:49.570 they are not clean, and they are not affordable. 01:52:49.570 --> 01:52:51.640 These lines spark devastating wildfires, 01:52:51.640 --> 01:52:53.510 rely on dirty energy sources, 01:52:53.510 --> 01:52:57.410 and cost consumers an estimated 9 billion a year. 01:52:57.410 --> 01:52:59.220 Rooftop solar is safe, 01:52:59.220 --> 01:53:00.990 rooftop solar is clean, 01:53:00.990 --> 01:53:03.430 and rooftop solar can continue to become more 01:53:03.430 --> 01:53:04.907 and more affordable for working 01:53:04.907 --> 01:53:06.430 and middle class Californians, 01:53:06.430 --> 01:53:08.700 if this proposed decision is fixed. 01:53:08.700 --> 01:53:11.010 Please do not tax the sun. 01:53:11.010 --> 01:53:12.287 Do not make solar less affordable 01:53:12.287 --> 01:53:14.050 for those who need it most. 01:53:14.050 --> 01:53:17.590 Do not roll back protections for existing solar customers. 01:53:17.590 --> 01:53:19.113 Please protect rooftop solar, 01:53:19.113 --> 01:53:21.950 so that we can build the clean energy future 01:53:21.950 --> 01:53:23.093 our children deserve. 01:53:25.540 --> 01:53:26.373 Thank you. 01:53:26.373 --> 01:53:27.720 Operator, next caller, please. 01:53:31.320 --> 01:53:34.433 Our next caller is Dooms Johandes. 01:53:36.890 --> 01:53:37.803 You may go ahead. 01:53:51.342 --> 01:53:53.620 (female speaks indistinctly) 01:53:53.620 --> 01:53:56.723 Again, Dooms Johandes, your line is open. 01:54:09.200 --> 01:54:11.000 And Dooms Johandes, your line is open. 01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:11.863 You may go ahead. 01:54:14.260 --> 01:54:15.093 Hello? 01:54:16.430 --> 01:54:18.287 Yes, go ahead please. Yes, please proceed. 01:54:18.287 --> 01:54:20.960 Hi, my name is James Johandes. 01:54:20.960 --> 01:54:23.653 I live in Arroyo Grande, California. 01:54:24.720 --> 01:54:28.603 Governor Newsom- (male speaks in Spanish) 01:54:30.634 --> 01:54:32.360 Can you hear me? 01:54:32.360 --> 01:54:33.210 Yes. 01:54:36.010 --> 01:54:37.100 I trust you 01:54:37.940 --> 01:54:41.440 to act in the best interests of the people, 01:54:41.440 --> 01:54:43.270 not the utilities. 01:54:43.270 --> 01:54:47.023 I trust you to keep your promises. 01:54:48.050 --> 01:54:50.220 I trust you not to burden the people 01:54:50.220 --> 01:54:51.920 with another utility charge, 01:54:51.920 --> 01:54:54.650 which would, in effect, harm the environment 01:54:55.570 --> 01:54:57.903 by crippling solar generation. 01:54:58.950 --> 01:55:03.173 Please, please find the strength to act on our behalf. 01:55:04.100 --> 01:55:07.950 I trust you, Governor Newsom and Commission members. 01:55:07.950 --> 01:55:10.440 I trust you to do the right thing. 01:55:10.440 --> 01:55:11.542 Thank you very much. 01:55:11.542 --> 01:55:14.740 (female speaks in Spanish) 01:55:14.740 --> 01:55:16.030 Thank you. 01:55:16.030 --> 01:55:17.673 Operator, next caller, please. 01:55:22.890 --> 01:55:26.260 Our next caller is Albero Testero. 01:55:26.260 --> 01:55:27.110 You may go ahead. 01:55:31.400 --> 01:55:32.233 Hello? 01:55:33.650 --> 01:55:35.290 Can you hear me? 01:55:35.290 --> 01:55:36.873 Yes, please proceed. 01:55:38.270 --> 01:55:40.030 My name is Al Castro. 01:55:40.030 --> 01:55:42.730 I live in Saratoga, California. 01:55:42.730 --> 01:55:45.490 I am a retired rocket scientist. 01:55:45.490 --> 01:55:47.733 I oppose the proposed decision. 01:55:48.570 --> 01:55:53.250 Rooftop solar is the solution towards energy independence. 01:55:53.250 --> 01:55:57.610 Nine years ago, I design and install a solar system. 01:55:57.610 --> 01:56:02.580 My system supplies power for my home and my electric car. 01:56:02.580 --> 01:56:06.020 Every day, I supply power into the grid 01:56:06.020 --> 01:56:09.120 during critical consumption times. 01:56:09.120 --> 01:56:12.030 I believe I am part of the solution. 01:56:12.030 --> 01:56:16.360 I think that what you're trying to do is just wrong. 01:56:16.360 --> 01:56:18.590 No solar tax of any kind. 01:56:18.590 --> 01:56:22.780 I believe we are being penalized for good behavior. 01:56:22.780 --> 01:56:24.410 Please stop. 01:56:24.410 --> 01:56:26.850 I oppose the proposed decision. 01:56:26.850 --> 01:56:28.783 Thank you and have a good day. 01:56:28.783 --> 01:56:30.600 Bye. Thank you. 01:56:30.600 --> 01:56:32.100 Operator, next caller, please. 01:56:33.790 --> 01:56:36.490 Our next caller is Audrey Echenosa. 01:56:36.490 --> 01:56:37.340 You may go ahead. 01:56:38.240 --> 01:56:39.580 Thank you. 01:56:39.580 --> 01:56:40.413 Good morning. 01:56:41.270 --> 01:56:43.080 I'm a Berkeley resident. 01:56:43.080 --> 01:56:48.050 My husband and I own a small 1.71 kilowatt system 01:56:48.050 --> 01:56:49.283 with no batteries. 01:56:50.410 --> 01:56:54.020 And we appreciate the importance of the grid 01:56:54.020 --> 01:56:55.950 to provide clean, affordable, 01:56:55.950 --> 01:57:00.150 and reliable electricity to our homes and businesses. 01:57:00.150 --> 01:57:02.930 But we also adamantly refuse 01:57:02.930 --> 01:57:06.470 to prop off PG&E stewardship 01:57:06.470 --> 01:57:09.430 of the transmission and distribution lines. 01:57:09.430 --> 01:57:13.030 The IOUs monopoly should be revoked. 01:57:13.030 --> 01:57:15.040 And in the case of PG&E, 01:57:15.040 --> 01:57:17.680 its service territory broken up 01:57:17.680 --> 01:57:19.840 in favor of more manageable, 01:57:19.840 --> 01:57:22.270 not for profit, public agencies 01:57:22.270 --> 01:57:26.400 that better serve the many needs of local communities. 01:57:26.400 --> 01:57:27.493 Thank you very much. 01:57:28.540 --> 01:57:29.550 Thank you. 01:57:29.550 --> 01:57:31.430 Operator, next caller, please. 01:57:32.610 --> 01:57:34.500 Our next caller is Paul Sullivan. 01:57:34.500 --> 01:57:35.433 You may go ahead. 01:57:37.070 --> 01:57:37.970 Hello, Commissioners. 01:57:37.970 --> 01:57:39.270 My name is Paul Sullivan, 01:57:39.270 --> 01:57:43.480 and I'm directly responsible for 14 energy consultants 01:57:43.480 --> 01:57:44.640 and their wellbeing. 01:57:44.640 --> 01:57:46.870 Many are the sole providers for their family, 01:57:46.870 --> 01:57:48.880 and they're passionate about what they do. 01:57:48.880 --> 01:57:50.470 Thanks for the opportunity to provide comment 01:57:50.470 --> 01:57:52.300 on the proposed NEM decision. 01:57:52.300 --> 01:57:54.300 In short, just start over. 01:57:54.300 --> 01:57:55.647 If the PD stands as is, 01:57:55.647 --> 01:57:57.890 the utilities will succeed in ridding themselves 01:57:57.890 --> 01:58:00.370 of rooftop solar in California, 01:58:00.370 --> 01:58:01.670 and will have the solar industry, 01:58:01.670 --> 01:58:04.100 just like North Dakota, none. 01:58:04.100 --> 01:58:05.550 I've been in solar for 17 years. 01:58:05.550 --> 01:58:08.540 I put solar in my house to save money, and I did, 01:58:08.540 --> 01:58:11.300 but I soon realized more good was being done with my choice 01:58:11.300 --> 01:58:12.540 than just saving money. 01:58:12.540 --> 01:58:14.390 It was doing my part to help save our planet. 01:58:14.390 --> 01:58:15.290 I had to share that. 01:58:15.290 --> 01:58:18.230 Went to work for the company that installed my system. 01:58:18.230 --> 01:58:19.250 I entered this industry 01:58:19.250 --> 01:58:20.760 to make a difference in people's lives. 01:58:20.760 --> 01:58:22.267 First, by saving them some money, 01:58:22.267 --> 01:58:23.140 and more holistically, 01:58:23.140 --> 01:58:25.630 to free ourselves from the fossil fuel addiction. 01:58:25.630 --> 01:58:27.850 I beg you to scrap this proposal, 01:58:27.850 --> 01:58:29.440 write one that has a gentle path, 01:58:29.440 --> 01:58:32.210 that doesn't kill tens of thousands of jobs overnight. 01:58:32.210 --> 01:58:33.523 Thank you for listening. 01:58:35.070 --> 01:58:36.100 Thank you very much. 01:58:36.100 --> 01:58:37.600 Operator, next caller, please. 01:58:39.091 --> 01:58:41.130 Our next caller is Michael Powers. 01:58:41.130 --> 01:58:41.980 You may go ahead. 01:58:44.000 --> 01:58:44.840 Hello, Commissioners. 01:58:44.840 --> 01:58:45.940 My name is Michael Powers, 01:58:45.940 --> 01:58:48.380 and I work for Stellar Solar in San Diego. 01:58:48.380 --> 01:58:49.470 In the past 20 years, 01:58:49.470 --> 01:58:51.440 we've installed more than 14,000 01:58:51.440 --> 01:58:54.720 rooftop solar energy systems in Southern California, 01:58:54.720 --> 01:58:56.990 including vital nonprofit institutions, 01:58:56.990 --> 01:59:00.940 like the SOCC Institute in Cedars-Sinai Medical Center. 01:59:00.940 --> 01:59:02.730 As a locally owned and operated business, 01:59:02.730 --> 01:59:05.197 we employ about a hundred professionals and skilled workers, 01:59:05.197 --> 01:59:08.550 and over 40% of them identify as Black, Asian, 01:59:08.550 --> 01:59:10.170 or Latino heritage. 01:59:10.170 --> 01:59:13.220 Many of them have worked for us for more than 10 years. 01:59:13.220 --> 01:59:15.087 Most of our workers have families to support, 01:59:15.087 --> 01:59:18.130 and our annual payroll exceeds 10 million dollars. 01:59:18.130 --> 01:59:21.219 However, your proposed decision on NEM 3.0 01:59:21.219 --> 01:59:24.770 would put all of this and those families in jeopardy. 01:59:24.770 --> 01:59:25.603 With due respect, 01:59:25.603 --> 01:59:27.190 please reject and revise it. 01:59:27.190 --> 01:59:28.023 Thank you. 01:59:28.860 --> 01:59:30.380 Thank you. 01:59:30.380 --> 01:59:32.190 It is 12 o'clock now. 01:59:32.190 --> 01:59:34.563 We will be taking a 15 minute break. 01:59:35.960 --> 01:59:38.693 So we will resume at 12:15. 01:59:39.580 --> 01:59:41.060 By today's conference is resumed. 01:59:41.060 --> 01:59:42.860 President Reynolds, you may proceed. 01:59:44.930 --> 01:59:45.830 Thank you. 01:59:45.830 --> 01:59:49.210 First, we need to establish a quorum with the clerk. 01:59:49.210 --> 01:59:50.333 Please call the role. 01:59:51.740 --> 01:59:54.083 Commissioner Houck? Here. 01:59:55.287 --> 01:59:58.712 Commissioner Shiroma? Present. 01:59:58.712 --> 02:00:01.712 Commissioner Rechtschaffen? Here. 02:00:02.560 --> 02:00:05.053 President Reynolds? Here. 02:00:05.950 --> 02:00:06.783 Thank you. 02:00:06.783 --> 02:00:07.730 We have a quorum. 02:00:07.730 --> 02:00:11.990 We are resuming the public comment portion of our agenda. 02:00:11.990 --> 02:00:13.660 I wanted to remind speakers 02:00:13.660 --> 02:00:16.710 that you will have up to one minute to make your comment. 02:00:16.710 --> 02:00:20.360 You will hear a bell sound when your time is up. 02:00:20.360 --> 02:00:23.520 And please remember, brevity is your friend. 02:00:23.520 --> 02:00:27.310 We have many, many people still in the queue, 02:00:27.310 --> 02:00:28.960 people who have been waiting already 02:00:28.960 --> 02:00:30.300 a long time this morning. 02:00:30.300 --> 02:00:32.530 So if you are able to shorten your comments, 02:00:32.530 --> 02:00:36.530 that will give everyone a chance to have a time to speak, 02:00:36.530 --> 02:00:38.750 and will minimize the waiting period. 02:00:38.750 --> 02:00:40.480 Thank you very much. 02:00:40.480 --> 02:00:42.793 Operator, let's take the next caller. 02:00:45.070 --> 02:00:46.740 Our next caller is Jennifer Gass. 02:00:46.740 --> 02:00:47.590 You may go ahead. 02:00:48.650 --> 02:00:50.540 Hi, my name is Jennifer Gass, 02:00:50.540 --> 02:00:53.460 and I'm a blind homeowner and rooftop solar user 02:00:53.460 --> 02:00:55.900 here in Stockton, California. 02:00:55.900 --> 02:00:58.130 I'm on a fixed income. 02:00:58.130 --> 02:00:59.690 I got solar originally 02:00:59.690 --> 02:01:01.870 because I knew it was better for the environment, 02:01:01.870 --> 02:01:04.690 and the state was encouraging it, 02:01:04.690 --> 02:01:07.770 but mostly because it would save me a little money, 02:01:07.770 --> 02:01:11.350 and I can't afford a tax on solar. 02:01:11.350 --> 02:01:13.203 A lot of people I know can't. 02:01:14.770 --> 02:01:17.110 Or any increases in our utilities, 02:01:17.110 --> 02:01:21.310 especially now on a fixed income when times are hard. 02:01:21.310 --> 02:01:25.570 I urge you not to adopt the proposed solar tax today. 02:01:25.570 --> 02:01:26.403 Thank you. 02:01:27.770 --> 02:01:28.730 Thank you. 02:01:28.730 --> 02:01:30.293 Operator, next caller, please. 02:01:32.900 --> 02:01:35.210 Our next caller is Hellen Birecki. 02:01:35.210 --> 02:01:36.060 You may go ahead. 02:01:37.590 --> 02:01:39.120 Hi, my name is Helena Birecki, 02:01:39.120 --> 02:01:42.153 and I was born and raised in California. 02:01:42.153 --> 02:01:44.020 I live in San Francisco. 02:01:44.020 --> 02:01:46.433 We've heard two hours of comments saying, 02:01:47.837 --> 02:01:52.217 "Save our electricity, save jobs, save the planet, look up". 02:01:53.480 --> 02:01:57.853 I am completely echoing everybody's comments so far, 02:01:58.940 --> 02:02:03.940 and asking the CPUC to reject the proposed decision, 02:02:05.900 --> 02:02:09.903 and remake it, so it includes no solar tax of any kind. 02:02:11.070 --> 02:02:15.920 We need all of California's policies working together 02:02:15.920 --> 02:02:17.640 to ensure that solar becomes more, 02:02:17.640 --> 02:02:18.887 not less, affordable for working 02:02:18.887 --> 02:02:20.840 and middle class households. 02:02:20.840 --> 02:02:23.160 And I'd urge the Commission to consider 02:02:23.160 --> 02:02:27.610 the climate necessity, not only for mitigation, 02:02:27.610 --> 02:02:29.250 which the CPUC's own report say, 02:02:29.250 --> 02:02:31.360 we need to triple existing rooftop solar 02:02:31.360 --> 02:02:34.950 to meet our energy goals, but also adaptation. 02:02:34.950 --> 02:02:38.630 With the fire in Big Sur not yet under control in January, 02:02:38.630 --> 02:02:41.270 it reminds us of the power shutoffs 02:02:41.270 --> 02:02:43.320 to millions of people who aren't even 02:02:43.320 --> 02:02:47.600 in the fire risk zone in the summers, 02:02:47.600 --> 02:02:50.000 and how many lives of people who need to keep 02:02:51.360 --> 02:02:52.580 medication refrigerated, (bell dings) 02:02:52.580 --> 02:02:54.562 et cetera, will be safe. Thank you very much. 02:02:54.562 --> 02:02:56.620 Thank you. Thank you. 02:02:56.620 --> 02:02:58.163 Operator, next caller, please. 02:02:59.690 --> 02:03:01.293 Our next caller is William Macy. 02:03:01.293 --> 02:03:02.710 You may go ahead. 02:03:03.945 --> 02:03:05.500 Yeah, I'm William Macy, 02:03:05.500 --> 02:03:07.853 and I live in San Jose, California. 02:03:08.710 --> 02:03:12.970 I urge the CPUC to reject the current NEM3 proposal. 02:03:12.970 --> 02:03:14.647 As a middle class resident in California, 02:03:14.647 --> 02:03:17.180 and rooftop solar and battery owner, 02:03:17.180 --> 02:03:18.850 I am seeing my electric costs 02:03:18.850 --> 02:03:21.520 associated with these technologies spiral upwards, 02:03:21.520 --> 02:03:25.070 because of PG&E infrastructure delivery costs 02:03:25.070 --> 02:03:27.950 that make them increasingly expensive year-over-year. 02:03:27.950 --> 02:03:30.460 Without affordable alternatives to our power companies, 02:03:30.460 --> 02:03:33.010 or options to disconnect from PG&E's grid, 02:03:33.010 --> 02:03:34.970 and avoid the escalating costs, 02:03:34.970 --> 02:03:37.490 this leaves consumers of all income brackets 02:03:37.490 --> 02:03:39.780 open to uncontrollable energy bills 02:03:39.780 --> 02:03:41.950 for the foreseeable future. 02:03:41.950 --> 02:03:45.270 Consumers are now paying for PG&E's decades long lack 02:03:45.270 --> 02:03:47.320 of investment in infrastructure, 02:03:47.320 --> 02:03:49.270 and this is unfair to all consumers. 02:03:49.270 --> 02:03:50.610 Please do the right thing. 02:03:50.610 --> 02:03:52.320 Reject this proposal. 02:03:52.320 --> 02:03:53.760 Thank you. 02:03:53.760 --> 02:03:54.593 Thank you. 02:03:54.593 --> 02:03:56.020 Operator, next caller, please. 02:03:58.030 --> 02:04:00.270 Our next caller is Troy Carroll. 02:04:00.270 --> 02:04:01.120 You may go ahead. 02:04:02.990 --> 02:04:04.060 Yeah, my name's Troy Carroll. 02:04:04.060 --> 02:04:07.843 I've been in the solar industry for the past seven years. 02:04:08.900 --> 02:04:11.910 The proposed Net Metering 3 is just ridiculous. 02:04:11.910 --> 02:04:12.940 It'll be devastating, 02:04:12.940 --> 02:04:15.530 and gut the solar industry in California. 02:04:15.530 --> 02:04:17.140 We're supposed to be the leaders 02:04:17.140 --> 02:04:19.338 in green energy in the nation, 02:04:19.338 --> 02:04:21.943 and honestly, it's become a farce. 02:04:23.210 --> 02:04:24.930 The documentation that was sent out 02:04:24.930 --> 02:04:26.580 by the utilities this past weekend 02:04:26.580 --> 02:04:28.330 is just shy of being reliable, 02:04:28.330 --> 02:04:31.463 and only meant to perpetuate their monopoly on California. 02:04:35.630 --> 02:04:36.830 Thank you. 02:04:36.830 --> 02:04:38.330 Operator, next caller, please. 02:04:40.320 --> 02:04:42.820 Our next caller is Amber Woodworth. 02:04:42.820 --> 02:04:44.480 You may go ahead. 02:04:44.480 --> 02:04:45.313 Hello. 02:04:45.313 --> 02:04:48.440 I am Amber Woodworth from Rise Energy in Humboldt County. 02:04:48.440 --> 02:04:50.590 I implore you also to please oppose 02:04:50.590 --> 02:04:53.290 the drastic changes to net energy metering. 02:04:53.290 --> 02:04:55.560 Please imagine what our future will look like 02:04:55.560 --> 02:04:57.560 when we reach California's climate goals. 02:04:57.560 --> 02:04:59.313 100% clean energy. 02:05:00.210 --> 02:05:02.240 On one hand, there could be vast infrastructure 02:05:02.240 --> 02:05:04.560 built over open land and sea. 02:05:04.560 --> 02:05:05.940 All energy, including for heat 02:05:05.940 --> 02:05:08.040 and transportation would come from 02:05:08.040 --> 02:05:10.180 centralized sources controlled by the few, 02:05:10.180 --> 02:05:12.870 all powerful corporate monopolies. 02:05:12.870 --> 02:05:14.340 It may seem efficient, 02:05:14.340 --> 02:05:17.300 but at the expense of resiliency, safety, 02:05:17.300 --> 02:05:20.090 small businesses, self autonomy, and nature, 02:05:20.090 --> 02:05:22.650 this is not the future we want. 02:05:22.650 --> 02:05:24.750 On the other hand, with distributed solar 02:05:24.750 --> 02:05:27.750 and storage built into our homes and communities, 02:05:27.750 --> 02:05:30.210 we create a future where there is local control, 02:05:30.210 --> 02:05:33.950 energy independence, resilience, power to the people, 02:05:33.950 --> 02:05:35.263 and efficient land use. 02:05:36.210 --> 02:05:39.210 Rooftop solar owners and installer are rightly proud. 02:05:39.210 --> 02:05:42.220 Please do not enact regulation that would tax 02:05:42.220 --> 02:05:45.200 and kill citizen-owned distributed generation. 02:05:45.200 --> 02:05:46.760 Thank you. 02:05:46.760 --> 02:05:47.690 Thank you. 02:05:47.690 --> 02:05:49.390 Operator, our next caller, please. 02:05:50.610 --> 02:05:52.300 Our next caller is James Pearson. 02:05:52.300 --> 02:05:53.133 You may go ahead 02:05:59.860 --> 02:06:01.450 Again, James Pearson, your line is open. 02:06:01.450 --> 02:06:02.950 Please check your mute button. 02:06:13.000 --> 02:06:15.040 And should we go to the next caller? 02:06:15.040 --> 02:06:16.170 Yes, please, Operator. 02:06:16.170 --> 02:06:17.600 Thank you. 02:06:17.600 --> 02:06:19.270 Our next caller is David Rush. 02:06:19.270 --> 02:06:20.120 You may go ahead. 02:06:21.480 --> 02:06:23.100 Over the past two decades, 02:06:23.100 --> 02:06:26.930 thousands of middle class Californians, like my wife and I, 02:06:26.930 --> 02:06:28.850 both retired teachers, 02:06:28.850 --> 02:06:31.210 did what we thought was the right thing. 02:06:31.210 --> 02:06:35.670 We answered the call to help save our planet to go solar. 02:06:35.670 --> 02:06:37.180 Now, the message that we are getting, 02:06:37.180 --> 02:06:40.030 is that rooftop solar is a problem, 02:06:40.030 --> 02:06:41.533 not a part of the solution. 02:06:42.380 --> 02:06:43.213 For four years, 02:06:43.213 --> 02:06:46.600 we listened to a president declare that he alone 02:06:46.600 --> 02:06:49.890 could fix all the problems that plague our country. 02:06:49.890 --> 02:06:53.160 Likewise, the utilities are now now telling us 02:06:53.160 --> 02:06:57.780 we alone can fix our clean energy problems, 02:06:57.780 --> 02:07:00.440 and do it more cheaply for everyone. 02:07:00.440 --> 02:07:03.280 Many experts in the field don't believe it. 02:07:03.280 --> 02:07:06.860 Credible studies rebut the utilities' projections 02:07:06.860 --> 02:07:09.490 that rooftop solar creates a huge cost shift 02:07:09.490 --> 02:07:11.460 to other ratepayers. 02:07:11.460 --> 02:07:12.940 Now is not the time to throw 02:07:12.940 --> 02:07:16.920 all of our clean energy eggs in one basket. 02:07:16.920 --> 02:07:21.310 There are too many unknowns to conclude that utilities alone 02:07:21.310 --> 02:07:23.800 will best solve our clean energy needs. 02:07:23.800 --> 02:07:25.400 Thank you. 02:07:25.400 --> 02:07:26.660 Thank you. 02:07:26.660 --> 02:07:27.949 Operator, next caller, please. 02:07:27.949 --> 02:07:32.949 Our next caller is Meaghan Mroz-Barrett. 02:07:33.360 --> 02:07:34.210 You may go ahead. 02:07:38.140 --> 02:07:40.520 Hi, my name is Meaghan Mroz-Barrett. 02:07:40.520 --> 02:07:42.590 I have been in the solar, 02:07:42.590 --> 02:07:44.710 worked in the solar industry for seven years, 02:07:44.710 --> 02:07:46.190 and I'm also a solar customer. 02:07:46.190 --> 02:07:50.200 I work for Solar Technologies out of Antioch, California. 02:07:50.200 --> 02:07:52.400 I joined the solar industry 02:07:52.400 --> 02:07:54.580 after completing my Masters in Regional Planning 02:07:54.580 --> 02:07:56.120 in order to have a direct impact 02:07:56.120 --> 02:07:58.540 on the adoption of renewable energy in California. 02:07:58.540 --> 02:08:02.910 I love helping businesses realize energy savings, 02:08:02.910 --> 02:08:04.290 and improve their financials 02:08:04.290 --> 02:08:06.720 by adding solar to their properties. 02:08:06.720 --> 02:08:10.200 I strongly oppose this decision due to the negative impacts 02:08:10.200 --> 02:08:13.690 it will have on our future customers and our industry. 02:08:13.690 --> 02:08:16.580 Help save my and my coworkers careers 02:08:16.580 --> 02:08:18.140 by rejecting this proposal. 02:08:18.140 --> 02:08:18.973 Thank you. 02:08:19.890 --> 02:08:20.790 Thank you. 02:08:20.790 --> 02:08:22.290 Operator, next caller, please. 02:08:36.690 --> 02:08:38.680 Our next caller is Diane Andrews. 02:08:38.680 --> 02:08:39.530 You may go ahead. 02:08:40.750 --> 02:08:41.970 Hello, I'm Diane Andrews 02:08:41.970 --> 02:08:43.370 in Bakersfield, California, 02:08:43.370 --> 02:08:46.320 and I oppose the proposed decision. 02:08:46.320 --> 02:08:48.340 And the only way to properly address it 02:08:48.340 --> 02:08:50.990 is there to be no solar tax of any kind. 02:08:50.990 --> 02:08:52.730 Solar should become more affordable 02:08:52.730 --> 02:08:55.200 for the working and the middle class, and not less. 02:08:55.200 --> 02:08:56.330 The 20 year protection, 02:08:56.330 --> 02:08:58.980 which encouraged us to bear the cost of adding solar, 02:08:58.980 --> 02:09:00.510 should be honored. 02:09:00.510 --> 02:09:03.300 Local rooftop solar and battery storage is the best 02:09:03.300 --> 02:09:05.840 and proven way for people to protect themselves 02:09:05.840 --> 02:09:07.200 from power outages. 02:09:07.200 --> 02:09:09.580 It is especially important for people with disability 02:09:09.580 --> 02:09:11.590 and medical issues on a fixed income, 02:09:11.590 --> 02:09:14.770 the seniors and the disabled, the veterans, like my husband, 02:09:14.770 --> 02:09:16.520 whose budgets are devastated 02:09:16.520 --> 02:09:19.420 when other increases like this are added on, 02:09:19.420 --> 02:09:21.850 California will not meet its climate change goals 02:09:21.850 --> 02:09:24.030 if we back off from rooftop solar. 02:09:24.030 --> 02:09:25.160 The state itself has said 02:09:25.160 --> 02:09:27.070 that we need to triple the amount of solar 02:09:27.070 --> 02:09:29.070 to get off of the fossil fuels, 02:09:29.070 --> 02:09:30.880 both the large and the rooftops. 02:09:30.880 --> 02:09:33.940 We can't do that alone with large scale renewables. 02:09:33.940 --> 02:09:35.757 We ask you to honor the promise made to us, 02:09:35.757 --> 02:09:37.690 and the protection of 20 years, 02:09:37.690 --> 02:09:40.180 and not to penalize those who have done the right thing 02:09:40.180 --> 02:09:42.130 for our ecology and our economy. 02:09:42.130 --> 02:09:42.963 Thank you. 02:09:44.020 --> 02:09:44.853 Thank you. 02:09:44.853 --> 02:09:46.533 Operator, next caller, please. 02:09:50.280 --> 02:09:52.140 Our next caller is Rosalyn Young. 02:09:52.140 --> 02:09:52.990 You may go ahead. 02:09:53.940 --> 02:09:55.400 My name is Rosalyn Young, 02:09:55.400 --> 02:09:58.300 and my family has homes with solar in San Francisco 02:09:58.300 --> 02:10:00.240 and outside of Stockton. 02:10:00.240 --> 02:10:01.810 I believe that the CPUC 02:10:01.810 --> 02:10:05.875 should protect the people of California, not PG&E. 02:10:05.875 --> 02:10:07.950 PG&E wants to break their contract 02:10:07.950 --> 02:10:11.150 with the existing solar customers. 02:10:11.150 --> 02:10:12.840 We installed solar in good faith. 02:10:12.840 --> 02:10:13.960 It was expensive, 02:10:13.960 --> 02:10:15.650 but it was worth it for the environment, 02:10:15.650 --> 02:10:18.290 and that we could eventually recoup our investment 02:10:18.290 --> 02:10:23.170 through the agreed upon net metering over 20 years. 02:10:23.170 --> 02:10:25.410 Now, PG&E wants to cheat us 02:10:25.410 --> 02:10:27.650 with a huge monthly access fee, 02:10:27.650 --> 02:10:30.940 and vastly reduced net metering benefits. 02:10:30.940 --> 02:10:32.730 If anyone else did business like this, 02:10:32.730 --> 02:10:35.890 they would go out of business or go to jail. 02:10:35.890 --> 02:10:38.300 PG&E needs to honor their commitment 02:10:38.300 --> 02:10:40.760 to existing solar customers, 02:10:40.760 --> 02:10:42.240 and they must continue programs 02:10:42.240 --> 02:10:46.220 that enable middle class households to afford rooftop solar, 02:10:46.220 --> 02:10:49.410 a small monthly infrastructure fee like we have now, 02:10:49.410 --> 02:10:52.770 and full credit for the energy that rooftop panels produce, 02:10:52.770 --> 02:10:53.693 and send back to the grid 02:10:53.693 --> 02:10:56.440 that PG&EE sells to other customers. 02:10:56.440 --> 02:10:58.350 Thank you. (bell dinging) 02:10:58.350 --> 02:10:59.320 Thank you. 02:10:59.320 --> 02:11:01.020 Operator, our next caller, please. 02:11:04.380 --> 02:11:05.940 Our next caller is Sunny Wang. 02:11:05.940 --> 02:11:06.803 You may go ahead. 02:11:07.960 --> 02:11:09.240 Hi, I'm Connie Wang 02:11:09.240 --> 02:11:11.030 speaking on behalf of Aurora Solar, 02:11:11.030 --> 02:11:13.820 a solar software solution company 02:11:13.820 --> 02:11:15.950 headquartered in San Francisco. 02:11:15.950 --> 02:11:17.820 My team of 300 work every day 02:11:17.820 --> 02:11:20.100 to help contractors drive solar adoption 02:11:20.100 --> 02:11:21.750 and energy independence. 02:11:21.750 --> 02:11:23.510 And the current proposal will tank 02:11:23.510 --> 02:11:25.610 California's bright solar market, 02:11:25.610 --> 02:11:27.460 and layoff thousands of jobs. 02:11:27.460 --> 02:11:29.370 I respectfully ask you to find a solution 02:11:29.370 --> 02:11:32.520 that doesn't include a tax for harvesting energy 02:11:32.520 --> 02:11:34.950 from a star that belongs to no one, 02:11:34.950 --> 02:11:36.650 a solution that works for the public, 02:11:36.650 --> 02:11:38.600 and eases the NEM changes, 02:11:38.600 --> 02:11:40.500 so that the industry doesn't collapse. 02:11:40.500 --> 02:11:41.600 Thank you for my time. 02:11:42.520 --> 02:11:43.650 Thank you. 02:11:43.650 --> 02:11:45.150 Operator, next caller, please. 02:11:52.610 --> 02:11:54.970 Our next caller is Kathleen Giustino. 02:11:54.970 --> 02:11:55.820 You may go ahead. 02:11:57.310 --> 02:11:58.520 Yes, good afternoon. 02:11:58.520 --> 02:12:00.050 My name is Kathleen Giustino. 02:12:00.050 --> 02:12:02.170 I'm the CFO for A1 Sun, 02:12:02.170 --> 02:12:04.710 an (mumbles) solar energy company 02:12:04.710 --> 02:12:06.280 and energy storage company. 02:12:06.280 --> 02:12:09.970 We founded it in 2007 after self-installing on our own. 02:12:09.970 --> 02:12:13.490 We share our expertise to help others in our neighborhood 02:12:14.410 --> 02:12:15.980 get the solar benefits, 02:12:15.980 --> 02:12:19.760 and to help the planet reduce global warming 02:12:19.760 --> 02:12:21.650 one system at a time. 02:12:21.650 --> 02:12:25.630 The proposed NEM 3.0 will destroy our company, 02:12:25.630 --> 02:12:28.870 and stall the California state goals for 02:12:28.870 --> 02:12:30.620 assaulting global warming. 02:12:30.620 --> 02:12:32.380 Incentivized rooftop solar, 02:12:32.380 --> 02:12:33.530 you don't have the line laws. 02:12:33.530 --> 02:12:35.470 There's no fires and deaths. 02:12:35.470 --> 02:12:37.003 Keep wildlands wild. 02:12:38.780 --> 02:12:42.250 We don't need the CPUC to gut our company, 02:12:42.250 --> 02:12:45.880 and hurt our country and our climate. 02:12:45.880 --> 02:12:48.820 So please rewrite the NEM3, 02:12:48.820 --> 02:12:51.130 and make it useful for everybody. 02:12:51.130 --> 02:12:53.300 Kathleen Giustino, I'm with A1 Sun in Berkeley. 02:12:53.300 --> 02:12:54.800 Thank you. 02:12:54.800 --> 02:12:55.640 Thank you. 02:12:55.640 --> 02:12:57.140 Operator, next caller, please. 02:13:01.130 --> 02:13:03.800 Our next caller is Gardio Sanoya. 02:13:03.800 --> 02:13:04.650 You may go ahead. 02:13:12.110 --> 02:13:15.203 Again, Gardio Sanoya, your line is open. 02:13:16.060 --> 02:13:17.560 Please check your mute button. 02:13:18.640 --> 02:13:20.060 Hello? 02:13:20.060 --> 02:13:21.890 Hi, you may go ahead. Yes, we can hear you. 02:13:21.890 --> 02:13:23.603 Oh, my name is Darby Osnaya. 02:13:28.120 --> 02:13:29.290 So... 02:13:29.290 --> 02:13:32.883 Yes, Darby Osnaya here on occupied Tongva land in Colton. 02:13:33.920 --> 02:13:38.920 So thank you, CPU, for everything that you have done. 02:13:39.510 --> 02:13:42.010 I'm just calling to let y'all know that, 02:13:42.010 --> 02:13:45.470 you know, here in Colton, occupied Tongva land, 02:13:45.470 --> 02:13:49.150 we definitely live with the effects of air pollution 02:13:49.150 --> 02:13:50.920 and climate change every day. 02:13:50.920 --> 02:13:53.120 We are part of a disadvantaged community. 02:13:53.120 --> 02:13:55.690 I live right next to the train tracks, 02:13:55.690 --> 02:13:58.570 so polluted air is my life right here. 02:13:58.570 --> 02:14:02.180 So we are asking y'all to please vote 02:14:02.180 --> 02:14:04.487 to approve the IRP, 02:14:05.330 --> 02:14:07.760 to approve the new 38 million metric ton 02:14:07.760 --> 02:14:09.310 greenhouse gas emission limit, 02:14:09.310 --> 02:14:13.320 and continue working towards a 30 million metric ton, 02:14:13.320 --> 02:14:16.520 and eventually, even lower greenhouse gas target. 02:14:16.520 --> 02:14:18.840 Please do not waste any ratepayer money on dirty 02:14:18.840 --> 02:14:20.210 and polluting gas plants. 02:14:20.210 --> 02:14:23.640 Reject all proposals for new gas resources, 02:14:23.640 --> 02:14:26.680 and please retire existing gas plants now, 02:14:26.680 --> 02:14:30.323 beginning with those in- (bell dinging) 02:14:32.550 --> 02:14:34.690 Thank you very much. 02:14:34.690 --> 02:14:36.393 Operator, next caller, please. 02:14:37.920 --> 02:14:39.870 Our next caller is Steve Bardwell. 02:14:39.870 --> 02:14:40.720 You may go ahead. 02:14:42.830 --> 02:14:43.663 Yes, hello. 02:14:43.663 --> 02:14:45.540 My name is Steve Bardwell. 02:14:45.540 --> 02:14:46.470 I am the president of the 02:14:46.470 --> 02:14:49.280 Morongo Basin Conservation Association, 02:14:49.280 --> 02:14:51.923 located in the High Desert near Joshua Tree. 02:14:52.900 --> 02:14:57.480 We are in opposition to the proposed decision, 02:14:57.480 --> 02:15:01.820 and we encourage the Commission to rewrite NEM 3.0 02:15:01.820 --> 02:15:04.060 to encourage more rooftop solar 02:15:04.060 --> 02:15:05.820 within the built environment, 02:15:05.820 --> 02:15:08.717 close to the ultimate point of use. 02:15:08.717 --> 02:15:11.560 It's critical to develop a distributed 02:15:13.861 --> 02:15:15.370 electrical generation system 02:15:15.370 --> 02:15:18.010 that promotes equity and resilience. 02:15:18.010 --> 02:15:20.480 The value of resilience will become obvious 02:15:20.480 --> 02:15:21.880 when the big one hits, 02:15:21.880 --> 02:15:23.930 and long distance transmission lines 02:15:23.930 --> 02:15:26.040 are damaged or destroyed. 02:15:26.040 --> 02:15:29.500 The alternative to rooftop is desert utility scale. 02:15:29.500 --> 02:15:33.570 One only need look at the proposed Stagecoach Solar Project 02:15:33.570 --> 02:15:34.910 north of Lucerne Valley, 02:15:34.910 --> 02:15:39.910 that would ruin over 3,000 acres of intact habitat. 02:15:39.940 --> 02:15:43.680 I encourage the CPUC to think about 02:15:43.680 --> 02:15:47.520 Governor Newsom's executive order, N-82-20, 02:15:47.520 --> 02:15:48.353 which calls for 02:15:48.353 --> 02:15:51.153 conservation of 30%- (bell dinging) 02:15:51.153 --> 02:15:53.760 Thank you. Thank you very much. 02:15:53.760 --> 02:15:54.593 Thank you. 02:15:54.593 --> 02:15:56.030 Operator, next caller, please. 02:15:57.330 --> 02:15:59.240 Our next caller is Thomas Irvin. 02:15:59.240 --> 02:16:00.090 You may go ahead. 02:16:10.030 --> 02:16:11.410 Don't pass this 02:16:14.200 --> 02:16:15.800 rooftop solar (distorted audio). 02:16:17.210 --> 02:16:19.910 We need no tax on solar, 02:16:19.910 --> 02:16:24.910 and preserve the 20 year for existing customers. 02:16:26.870 --> 02:16:27.703 Thank you. 02:16:28.590 --> 02:16:29.680 Thank you. 02:16:29.680 --> 02:16:31.363 Operator, next caller, please. 02:16:33.590 --> 02:16:35.890 Our next caller is Glen Colwell. 02:16:35.890 --> 02:16:36.740 You may go ahead. 02:16:39.820 --> 02:16:41.210 Hi, my name is Glen Colwell. 02:16:41.210 --> 02:16:42.220 I'm a retired homeowner 02:16:42.220 --> 02:16:44.350 on a fixed income in Arcata, California. 02:16:44.350 --> 02:16:45.310 I am middle class. 02:16:45.310 --> 02:16:47.470 I've invested in rooftop, solar with net metering 02:16:47.470 --> 02:16:48.680 on every house I've lived in 02:16:48.680 --> 02:16:50.647 to get control of my utility bills, 02:16:50.647 --> 02:16:53.790 while my neighbors pay 300 to 400 a month for power, 02:16:53.790 --> 02:16:55.790 and can't afford groceries. 02:16:55.790 --> 02:16:57.240 If this solar tax passes, 02:16:57.240 --> 02:16:59.620 you will be hurting people like me! 02:16:59.620 --> 02:17:01.880 The only way to fix this proposal is 02:17:01.880 --> 02:17:04.170 no solar tax of any kind. 02:17:04.170 --> 02:17:05.580 Make solar more affordable 02:17:05.580 --> 02:17:08.290 to middle class households, not less. 02:17:08.290 --> 02:17:10.070 Honor the promised 20 year protection 02:17:10.070 --> 02:17:12.810 for solar users like me. 02:17:12.810 --> 02:17:15.650 Consumers should be able to control their utility bills. 02:17:15.650 --> 02:17:17.930 Rooftop solar saves all users money, 02:17:17.930 --> 02:17:19.460 whether they have solar or not, 02:17:19.460 --> 02:17:23.370 by reducing wear and tear on long distance power lines 02:17:23.370 --> 02:17:26.420 we produce and share locally. 02:17:26.420 --> 02:17:28.557 Decentralized rooftop solar and battery storage 02:17:28.557 --> 02:17:30.260 is the best way for people like me 02:17:30.260 --> 02:17:32.760 to protect themselves from power outages. 02:17:32.760 --> 02:17:35.010 Climate change is happening now. 02:17:35.010 --> 02:17:37.960 Why would you nickel and dime rooftop solar? 02:17:37.960 --> 02:17:39.010 Open space? 02:17:39.010 --> 02:17:40.840 Rooftop solar reduces the need 02:17:40.840 --> 02:17:44.130 to develop large solar wind farms and transmission lines. 02:17:44.130 --> 02:17:45.610 (bell dinging) Let's be smart 02:17:45.610 --> 02:17:47.650 about how we transition- Thank you very much. 02:17:47.650 --> 02:17:51.080 And utilize rooftops. Thank you. 02:17:51.080 --> 02:17:52.893 Operator, next caller, please. 02:17:54.210 --> 02:17:55.980 Our next caller is Kristin Kirk. 02:17:55.980 --> 02:17:56.830 You may go ahead. 02:17:58.800 --> 02:18:00.060 My name is Kristin Kirk. 02:18:00.060 --> 02:18:02.660 I'm a solar sales rep for SunPower by Precis, 02:18:02.660 --> 02:18:04.920 a local Southern California company. 02:18:04.920 --> 02:18:07.440 I'm worried for my job, the company I work for, 02:18:07.440 --> 02:18:08.660 my clients in the queue, 02:18:08.660 --> 02:18:10.480 and the solar industry as a whole. 02:18:10.480 --> 02:18:14.570 NEM 3.0 only favors the utility companies, 02:18:14.570 --> 02:18:17.620 and I urge the CPUC to consider the consequences 02:18:17.620 --> 02:18:20.600 if this is implemented as it stands now. 02:18:20.600 --> 02:18:22.280 The customers in the queue are nervous 02:18:22.280 --> 02:18:23.610 they may end up in 3.0. 02:18:24.540 --> 02:18:26.620 As there was a desirable payback period 02:18:26.620 --> 02:18:28.810 in a good investment under 2.0, 02:18:28.810 --> 02:18:30.870 this could drastically change. 02:18:30.870 --> 02:18:33.530 If PTO is in the hands of the utility, 02:18:33.530 --> 02:18:35.680 that's concerning, as they have an incentive 02:18:35.680 --> 02:18:38.587 to not process applications in a timely manner. 02:18:38.587 --> 02:18:41.170 I have a number of clients rebuilding houses 02:18:41.170 --> 02:18:44.120 that were burned in fires and building ADUs, 02:18:44.120 --> 02:18:46.390 so they're required to have solar now. 02:18:46.390 --> 02:18:47.660 They're outraged that they're 02:18:47.660 --> 02:18:51.130 legally required to have solar, and could end up in 3.0, 02:18:52.220 --> 02:18:54.160 and they'd have to pay enormous grid charges 02:18:54.160 --> 02:18:58.570 and receive unfair compensation for their solar generation. 02:18:58.570 --> 02:19:01.490 I urge the CPUC to reject this proposal, 02:19:01.490 --> 02:19:02.710 and go back to the drawing board 02:19:02.710 --> 02:19:04.758 to come up with- (bell dinging) 02:19:04.758 --> 02:19:06.740 Thank you. Thank you very much. 02:19:06.740 --> 02:19:07.573 Thank you. 02:19:07.573 --> 02:19:08.860 Operator, next caller, please. 02:19:12.120 --> 02:19:14.010 Our next caller is Duncan Cleminshaw. 02:19:14.010 --> 02:19:14.860 You may go ahead. 02:19:16.750 --> 02:19:17.980 Good afternoon, Commissioners. 02:19:17.980 --> 02:19:18.907 My name is Duncan Cleminshaw, 02:19:18.907 --> 02:19:21.610 and I live in Alameda with my wife, Mary, 02:19:21.610 --> 02:19:24.210 my daughter, Samantha, my son, Cole. 02:19:24.210 --> 02:19:26.020 And this is actually my 14th year 02:19:26.020 --> 02:19:28.730 feeding my family in solar. 02:19:28.730 --> 02:19:30.760 I work for GAF Energy in San Jose, 02:19:30.760 --> 02:19:34.540 where we just, I mean, just finished building 02:19:34.540 --> 02:19:37.210 a brand new factory to make solar energy shingles 02:19:37.210 --> 02:19:38.920 for your home's roof. 02:19:38.920 --> 02:19:40.150 When other companies were taking 02:19:40.150 --> 02:19:43.110 manufacturing jobs out of California, 02:19:43.110 --> 02:19:44.740 we decided California's our home, 02:19:44.740 --> 02:19:47.320 and we put our stake in the ground here. 02:19:47.320 --> 02:19:49.610 These are good paying, meaningful jobs 02:19:49.610 --> 02:19:52.442 that make a difference, that have full benefits. 02:19:52.442 --> 02:19:55.600 Our growing company has more than 150 employees, 02:19:55.600 --> 02:19:58.260 most of us with families here in the Bay Area, 02:19:58.260 --> 02:20:02.450 and all of us are betting our livelihoods and our futures 02:20:02.450 --> 02:20:05.170 that rooftop solar has a future in California. 02:20:05.170 --> 02:20:08.590 Please do not let NEM3 wipe out all of our jobs, 02:20:08.590 --> 02:20:12.190 and all of this hard work, as we're just getting started. 02:20:12.190 --> 02:20:13.680 Thank you. 02:20:13.680 --> 02:20:14.600 Thank you. 02:20:14.600 --> 02:20:16.123 Operator, next caller, please. 02:20:19.330 --> 02:20:22.040 Our next caller is from Wayne Morgan. 02:20:22.040 --> 02:20:22.890 You may go ahead. 02:20:24.560 --> 02:20:25.640 Hello, Commissioners. 02:20:25.640 --> 02:20:28.490 With regards to the NEM3 PD, 02:20:28.490 --> 02:20:31.540 the export compensation is far too low. 02:20:31.540 --> 02:20:35.970 Referring to SCE's 2020 annual report, page 63, 02:20:35.970 --> 02:20:38.750 how is it that SCE's cost of purchased power 02:20:38.750 --> 02:20:42.970 and fuel is 36% of its operating expenses, 02:20:42.970 --> 02:20:46.880 and yet, the PD only pays pennies for net metering exports? 02:20:46.880 --> 02:20:50.710 And this percentage would be 41%, 02:20:50.710 --> 02:20:53.120 if it weren't for the wildfire expenses. 02:20:53.120 --> 02:20:54.700 This leads me to the conclusion 02:20:54.700 --> 02:20:57.380 that the avoided cost calculator isn't reflected 02:20:57.380 --> 02:20:59.700 of the avoided costs. 02:20:59.700 --> 02:21:02.670 There may be many other NEM customer-supplied benefits 02:21:02.670 --> 02:21:04.773 that should be taken into account also. 02:21:05.870 --> 02:21:06.950 We also need to value 02:21:06.950 --> 02:21:10.060 the solar generated by owners without store, 02:21:10.060 --> 02:21:12.430 as this energy will be needed locally 02:21:12.430 --> 02:21:15.230 to charge batteries for storage on EVs. 02:21:15.230 --> 02:21:16.860 As far as social justice, 02:21:16.860 --> 02:21:17.810 the biggest gain would be, 02:21:17.810 --> 02:21:20.600 that if the customers in IOU areas 02:21:20.600 --> 02:21:23.270 would be given the same rates as POUs. 02:21:23.270 --> 02:21:25.300 In 2022, for example, 02:21:25.300 --> 02:21:28.090 SCE's peak rate will be 49 cents, 02:21:28.090 --> 02:21:30.297 versus SMUD's- (bell dinging) 02:21:30.297 --> 02:21:32.510 That's 50% higher. 02:21:32.510 --> 02:21:34.350 Thank you very much. 02:21:34.350 --> 02:21:35.370 Thank you for your comment. 02:21:35.370 --> 02:21:37.013 Operator, next caller, please. 02:21:38.820 --> 02:21:41.410 Our next caller is Chris Shunman. 02:21:41.410 --> 02:21:42.260 You may go ahead. 02:21:44.270 --> 02:21:45.840 Hi, my name is Chris Shunman, 02:21:45.840 --> 02:21:48.200 and I am a resident of Lake County. 02:21:48.200 --> 02:21:50.453 I oppose any solar tax in this proposed. 02:21:51.300 --> 02:21:53.390 I dislike PG&E greatly, 02:21:53.390 --> 02:21:56.330 and installed solar to do my part to fight climate change 02:21:56.330 --> 02:21:59.420 for the future of my elementary-aged children and family. 02:21:59.420 --> 02:22:01.910 Each year, since 2015, 02:22:01.910 --> 02:22:06.690 I have weathered PG&E-caused fires, 02:22:06.690 --> 02:22:10.110 terrible air quality, smoke days from PG&E fires, 02:22:10.110 --> 02:22:14.060 and PG&E forced PSPS's. 02:22:14.060 --> 02:22:17.320 I never want to send the criminals at PG&E 02:22:17.320 --> 02:22:20.380 a dime of my hard earned money again. 02:22:20.380 --> 02:22:23.070 Please save my solar independence, 02:22:23.070 --> 02:22:28.070 and keep these crooks away from my solar power freedom. 02:22:28.534 --> 02:22:29.992 Thank you. 02:22:29.992 --> 02:22:30.880 Thank you. 02:22:30.880 --> 02:22:33.013 Operator, our next caller, please. 02:22:35.530 --> 02:22:37.470 Our next caller is Marcy Snyder. 02:22:37.470 --> 02:22:38.303 You may go ahead 02:22:47.190 --> 02:22:49.190 Again, Marcy Snyder, your line is open. 02:22:49.190 --> 02:22:50.690 Please check your mute button. 02:23:00.130 --> 02:23:00.963 And should we go 02:23:00.963 --> 02:23:02.920 to the next caller? Ms. Snyder? 02:23:02.920 --> 02:23:04.660 Yes, let's go to the next caller. 02:23:04.660 --> 02:23:06.640 Thank you, Operator. 02:23:06.640 --> 02:23:08.890 Our next caller is Amy Josephec. 02:23:09.800 --> 02:23:10.650 You may go ahead. 02:23:11.650 --> 02:23:12.750 Hi there. 02:23:12.750 --> 02:23:14.030 So now I'm really confused. 02:23:14.030 --> 02:23:16.130 I thought the idea was for California to lead 02:23:16.130 --> 02:23:19.730 in making solar power more available, not less affordable? 02:23:19.730 --> 02:23:21.650 There's a climate crisis now, 02:23:21.650 --> 02:23:24.290 and it defies logic to tax owners, like me, 02:23:24.290 --> 02:23:26.780 who really wanna put panels on rooftops. 02:23:26.780 --> 02:23:28.610 Please take a stand against the solar tax, 02:23:28.610 --> 02:23:30.960 and vote to make rooftop solar more affordable 02:23:30.960 --> 02:23:33.460 for middle and working class people, not less. 02:23:33.460 --> 02:23:34.610 Please side with the people 02:23:34.610 --> 02:23:36.310 and with all of our futures. 02:23:36.310 --> 02:23:39.103 Thank you, and here's to sun-filled days ahead. 02:23:40.530 --> 02:23:41.363 Thank you. 02:23:41.363 --> 02:23:42.840 Operator, next caller, please. 02:23:45.257 --> 02:23:47.250 Our next caller is Peter Erwin. 02:23:47.250 --> 02:23:48.100 You may go ahead. 02:23:57.900 --> 02:23:58.733 Sorry. 02:23:58.733 --> 02:24:00.560 Hello, my name is Peter Erwin. 02:24:00.560 --> 02:24:03.920 My company's PJ Erwin Electric out of Oakland. 02:24:03.920 --> 02:24:05.610 I'm a second generation electrician 02:24:05.610 --> 02:24:08.130 in a trade that is quickly aging out. 02:24:08.130 --> 02:24:09.700 I've only been in solar for four years, 02:24:09.700 --> 02:24:10.730 but in those four years, 02:24:10.730 --> 02:24:13.040 I've seen more young, idealistic people 02:24:13.040 --> 02:24:15.600 join my business than ever before. 02:24:15.600 --> 02:24:17.370 They come to solar to make a difference. 02:24:17.370 --> 02:24:19.340 It's a field with a low barrier to entry, 02:24:19.340 --> 02:24:22.010 so I see people show up that may not have the opportunities 02:24:22.010 --> 02:24:24.010 or education I got. 02:24:24.010 --> 02:24:25.130 And these folks now have 02:24:25.130 --> 02:24:26.940 a venue to exercise their integrity, 02:24:26.940 --> 02:24:29.850 and a place to put these positive principles. 02:24:29.850 --> 02:24:30.980 My company is small, 02:24:30.980 --> 02:24:33.570 and already more expensive than the big players. 02:24:33.570 --> 02:24:35.990 Our solar business will 100% go away 02:24:35.990 --> 02:24:38.550 if any of these proposals pass. 02:24:38.550 --> 02:24:40.790 I'll close my doors, a few jobs will go away, 02:24:40.790 --> 02:24:41.880 and I'll do something else. 02:24:41.880 --> 02:24:43.000 Life goes on. 02:24:43.000 --> 02:24:44.090 My biggest concern is, 02:24:44.090 --> 02:24:45.890 leaving these young people without a place 02:24:45.890 --> 02:24:49.640 to put their hearts and bodies to do good for the planet. 02:24:49.640 --> 02:24:52.990 Please don't take away this opportunity for young people. 02:24:52.990 --> 02:24:53.910 Thank you for considering 02:24:53.910 --> 02:24:55.860 the deep implications of your decision. 02:24:57.690 --> 02:24:58.523 Thank you. 02:24:58.523 --> 02:24:59.793 Operator, next caller, please. 02:25:01.380 --> 02:25:03.530 Our next caller is Laura Deehan. 02:25:03.530 --> 02:25:04.380 You may go ahead. 02:25:08.210 --> 02:25:10.201 Hello, this is Laura Deehan. 02:25:10.201 --> 02:25:13.160 I'm the State Director for Environment California. 02:25:13.160 --> 02:25:14.430 Thank you, President Reynolds, 02:25:14.430 --> 02:25:16.167 and Commissioners, and staff., 02:25:17.300 --> 02:25:21.220 At the recent Joint Agency Report from SB 100, 02:25:21.220 --> 02:25:23.350 showed that we're going to need 02:25:23.350 --> 02:25:26.690 to more than triple the amount of energy 02:25:26.690 --> 02:25:31.690 from rooftop solar by 2045 to get to California's targets. 02:25:32.240 --> 02:25:33.440 And we know that we really need to 02:25:33.440 --> 02:25:35.950 get to those targets even faster, 02:25:35.950 --> 02:25:38.310 because of the urgency of the climate crisis 02:25:38.310 --> 02:25:41.420 that we're experiencing all around us in our state 02:25:41.420 --> 02:25:43.490 with the wildfires and the drought. 02:25:43.490 --> 02:25:46.660 That's why Environment California joined 17 state 02:25:46.660 --> 02:25:49.390 and national environmental organizations 02:25:49.390 --> 02:25:52.330 to oppose the punitive solar penalties 02:25:52.330 --> 02:25:55.470 proposed in the proposed decision, 02:25:55.470 --> 02:26:00.113 and to urge you to make sure that the revised proposal, 02:26:01.090 --> 02:26:03.350 that it honors existing customers' agreements, 02:26:03.350 --> 02:26:06.980 and really takes into account the true value of solar. 02:26:06.980 --> 02:26:08.430 We have the potential to get 02:26:08.430 --> 02:26:12.770 three quarters of our energy needs from rooftop solar. 02:26:12.770 --> 02:26:16.350 Let's make sure that we get as much of it as we can. 02:26:16.350 --> 02:26:17.373 Thank you so much. 02:26:18.570 --> 02:26:19.520 Thank you. 02:26:19.520 --> 02:26:21.053 Operator, next caller, please. 02:26:25.010 --> 02:26:26.890 Our next caller is Celeste Duffy. 02:26:26.890 --> 02:26:28.138 You may go ahead. 02:26:28.138 --> 02:26:31.471 (indistinct chattering) 02:26:38.030 --> 02:26:40.860 Please begin speaking, Ms. Duffy. 02:26:40.860 --> 02:26:41.693 Again- Hi! 02:26:41.693 --> 02:26:42.970 Ms. Duffy, your line is open. 02:26:42.970 --> 02:26:43.803 Go ahead. 02:26:43.803 --> 02:26:45.060 Oh, hi, yes. 02:26:45.060 --> 02:26:47.320 My name is Celeste Duffy, and I live in Sebastopol. 02:26:47.320 --> 02:26:48.740 I oppose the solar tax bill. 02:26:48.740 --> 02:26:51.390 I feel strongly solar should be more affordable to all, 02:26:51.390 --> 02:26:53.750 and the honoring of existing 20 year protection 02:26:53.750 --> 02:26:55.760 for solar users is the right thing to do. 02:26:55.760 --> 02:26:58.710 My family of four recently experienced a $500 power bill 02:26:58.710 --> 02:27:00.400 for a small home, 02:27:00.400 --> 02:27:02.900 despite having efficient appliances, 02:27:02.900 --> 02:27:04.820 doing laundry and charging our AV after 9 PM. 02:27:04.820 --> 02:27:05.940 We're doing all the right things 02:27:05.940 --> 02:27:08.480 that's prescribed by the P&G website, 02:27:08.480 --> 02:27:10.920 but we're still experiencing high bills. 02:27:10.920 --> 02:27:11.930 So we're waiting, currently, 02:27:11.930 --> 02:27:14.190 for a rooftop solar installation. 02:27:14.190 --> 02:27:15.023 With that- 02:27:20.530 --> 02:27:21.363 Thank you. 02:27:21.363 --> 02:27:22.460 Operator, next caller, please. 02:27:25.150 --> 02:27:27.750 Our next caller is Eric Ike. 02:27:27.750 --> 02:27:28.600 You may go ahead. 02:27:31.720 --> 02:27:32.553 Hi. 02:27:34.110 --> 02:27:35.140 Thank you. 02:27:35.140 --> 02:27:38.260 I have had rooftop solar since 2001. 02:27:38.260 --> 02:27:40.970 Our household recently updated our aging panels. 02:27:40.970 --> 02:27:42.220 We don't do it for profit, 02:27:42.220 --> 02:27:46.170 but rather to play a role in fighting climate change. 02:27:46.170 --> 02:27:48.730 Contrary to what the utilities are arguing, 02:27:48.730 --> 02:27:51.320 residential rooftop, solar represents 02:27:51.320 --> 02:27:55.200 substantial investment in our grid by homeowners and others. 02:27:55.200 --> 02:27:57.970 Rooftop solar is environmentally responsible, 02:27:57.970 --> 02:28:00.090 and it offsets grid project costs, 02:28:00.090 --> 02:28:02.720 benefiting everyone, including low income households, 02:28:02.720 --> 02:28:05.650 as well as utility companies themselves. 02:28:05.650 --> 02:28:08.530 Rooftop solar should be encouraged, not punished. 02:28:08.530 --> 02:28:11.730 I understand that the utility operating costs are going up, 02:28:11.730 --> 02:28:13.640 and while I'm okay with increasing fees 02:28:13.640 --> 02:28:14.940 for access to the grid, 02:28:14.940 --> 02:28:17.710 it must be done fairly, rather than singling, 02:28:17.710 --> 02:28:19.540 rather than by singling out one group, 02:28:19.540 --> 02:28:21.370 like rooftop solar producers. 02:28:21.370 --> 02:28:22.570 Thank you for listening. 02:28:23.520 --> 02:28:24.353 Thank you. 02:28:24.353 --> 02:28:25.723 Operator, next caller, please. 02:28:29.700 --> 02:28:32.430 Our next caller is Álvaro Casanova. 02:28:32.430 --> 02:28:33.280 You may go ahead. 02:28:34.690 --> 02:28:37.180 Hello, my name is Álvaro Palacios Casanova, 02:28:37.180 --> 02:28:38.770 a staff conservation advocate 02:28:38.770 --> 02:28:41.500 representing the California Native Plant Society. 02:28:41.500 --> 02:28:44.360 CNPS is a statewide nonprofit organization 02:28:44.360 --> 02:28:47.450 with more than 11,000 members and 35 chapters 02:28:47.450 --> 02:28:50.650 dedicated to the conservation of our state's flora. 02:28:50.650 --> 02:28:54.970 CNPS opposes the CPUC's proposed decision on net metering. 02:28:54.970 --> 02:28:57.280 This proposal further disenfranchises 02:28:57.280 --> 02:28:59.170 environmental justice communities, 02:28:59.170 --> 02:29:01.497 penalizes current rooftop solar customers, 02:29:01.497 --> 02:29:03.920 and makes access to rooftop solar 02:29:03.920 --> 02:29:06.330 out of reach for many Californians. 02:29:06.330 --> 02:29:08.810 Meanwhile, the need for investor-owned utility companies 02:29:08.810 --> 02:29:10.720 to develop large scale, centralized, 02:29:10.720 --> 02:29:14.890 renewable energy farms in biodiverse areas would increase. 02:29:14.890 --> 02:29:16.750 These large scale industrial projects 02:29:16.750 --> 02:29:18.710 are incompatible with habitats 02:29:18.710 --> 02:29:20.450 that contain rare flora and fauna, 02:29:20.450 --> 02:29:22.200 and would impede California 02:29:22.200 --> 02:29:25.180 in reaching both its 3030 in-climate goals. 02:29:25.180 --> 02:29:28.110 This proposed decision serves no one, other than the IOUs, 02:29:28.110 --> 02:29:29.730 and that is unjust. 02:29:29.730 --> 02:29:31.540 In closing, we urge the CPUC 02:29:31.540 --> 02:29:33.350 not to move forward with this decision 02:29:33.350 --> 02:29:35.020 that will harm communities, habitats, 02:29:35.020 --> 02:29:36.640 and California's reputation as a leader 02:29:36.640 --> 02:29:38.280 in the fight against climate change. 02:29:38.280 --> 02:29:39.280 Thank you very much. 02:29:40.420 --> 02:29:41.253 Thank you. 02:29:41.253 --> 02:29:42.590 Operator, next caller, please. 02:29:44.480 --> 02:29:46.520 Our next caller is Al Nastrom. 02:29:46.520 --> 02:29:47.513 You may go ahead. 02:29:48.818 --> 02:29:50.350 Hi. 02:29:50.350 --> 02:29:52.470 I live in the South Bay, 02:29:52.470 --> 02:29:56.670 and I taught financial analysis before retiring. 02:29:56.670 --> 02:29:58.790 I am very worried about climate change, 02:29:58.790 --> 02:30:01.810 and have been proud of California's role in this area. 02:30:01.810 --> 02:30:03.260 I am also a homeowner 02:30:03.260 --> 02:30:06.853 getting a solar system installed in my home as we speak. 02:30:07.760 --> 02:30:11.290 Based on my review of the proposed decision by 02:30:11.290 --> 02:30:15.360 the CPUC report of 12/13, 02:30:15.360 --> 02:30:18.970 and my actual cost data and expected savings, 02:30:18.970 --> 02:30:22.210 I conclude, that if I was looking to buy 02:30:22.210 --> 02:30:27.193 my systems within the new net filing tariff, billing tariff, 02:30:28.140 --> 02:30:29.500 I could not afford it, 02:30:29.500 --> 02:30:32.770 with serious implications for the future of this planet. 02:30:32.770 --> 02:30:35.530 Your report stated, your objective is to enable 02:30:35.530 --> 02:30:37.290 a payback of 10 years. 02:30:37.290 --> 02:30:40.190 However, the payback on my system, 02:30:40.190 --> 02:30:43.230 including the 12 kilowatt panel system, 02:30:43.230 --> 02:30:45.790 19.2 kilowatts in batteries 02:30:45.790 --> 02:30:49.470 and preparatory underlayment replacement, 02:30:49.470 --> 02:30:50.780 and all incentives, 02:30:50.780 --> 02:30:55.490 including the market transition credit, would be 37 years. 02:30:55.490 --> 02:30:58.320 Not 10 years. (bell dinging) 02:30:58.320 --> 02:31:00.421 It could be- Thank you very much. 02:31:00.421 --> 02:31:01.870 Thank you. Thank you. 02:31:01.870 --> 02:31:04.020 Operator, next caller, please. 02:31:06.130 --> 02:31:07.700 Our next caller is Russell King. 02:31:07.700 --> 02:31:08.550 You may go ahead. 02:31:09.510 --> 02:31:11.160 I'm Russ King in Richmond. 02:31:11.160 --> 02:31:15.150 In ice, near the South Pole, going back 800,000 years, 02:31:15.150 --> 02:31:17.160 carbon dioxide was under 02:31:17.160 --> 02:31:20.330 300 parts per million in the atmosphere, 02:31:20.330 --> 02:31:23.620 until mankind found fossil fuel. 02:31:23.620 --> 02:31:28.380 This Monday, CO2 reached 4 20, 420. 02:31:28.380 --> 02:31:30.700 The resulting climate crisis 02:31:30.700 --> 02:31:33.224 is already causing fatal heat waves, 02:31:33.224 --> 02:31:36.480 worse droughts and floods, crop failures, 02:31:36.480 --> 02:31:40.210 wildfires, rising sea, extinctions, 02:31:40.210 --> 02:31:42.770 and is turning the ocean acidic. 02:31:42.770 --> 02:31:45.720 Last June, the heat outright killed 02:31:45.720 --> 02:31:48.720 almost 600 people in British Columbia. 02:31:48.720 --> 02:31:51.360 One town set a new record for Canada 02:31:51.360 --> 02:31:55.180 at an astonishing 121 degrees, 02:31:55.180 --> 02:31:57.420 and then burned down. 02:31:57.420 --> 02:32:01.030 Over 46% of a electricity generated in California 02:32:01.030 --> 02:32:03.770 comes from burning natural gas. 02:32:03.770 --> 02:32:05.610 Bring that down to zero. 02:32:05.610 --> 02:32:07.920 Promote rooftop solar. 02:32:07.920 --> 02:32:09.510 Thank you. 02:32:09.510 --> 02:32:10.520 Thank you. 02:32:10.520 --> 02:32:12.083 Operator, next caller, please. 02:32:13.700 --> 02:32:15.750 Our next caller is Jared Menning. 02:32:15.750 --> 02:32:16.600 You may go ahead. 02:32:17.730 --> 02:32:19.640 In just about 24 hours, 02:32:19.640 --> 02:32:20.990 we Californians have emitted 02:32:20.990 --> 02:32:23.650 over a million tons of greenhouse gases. 02:32:23.650 --> 02:32:26.440 That's enough to cover the entire County of San Francisco 02:32:26.440 --> 02:32:29.850 to adapt to 15 feet with a pure CO2 gas. 02:32:29.850 --> 02:32:32.070 And in another foot or two, since this meeting started. 02:32:32.070 --> 02:32:35.740 Another 15 feet today, tomorrow, every other day, 02:32:35.740 --> 02:32:38.750 driving us recklessly closer to climate disaster. 02:32:38.750 --> 02:32:40.610 Ours efforts to stop this are still minuscule, 02:32:40.610 --> 02:32:41.980 but one of the few bright lights 02:32:41.980 --> 02:32:44.950 are the one million solar roofs now in California. 02:32:44.950 --> 02:32:46.440 Net billing tariffs will, overnight, 02:32:46.440 --> 02:32:48.520 destroy our rooftop solar industry. 02:32:48.520 --> 02:32:50.760 We cannot afford to wait for new transmission lines 02:32:50.760 --> 02:32:52.330 and massive solar farms, 02:32:52.330 --> 02:32:54.440 and all their permits, and all their delays. 02:32:54.440 --> 02:32:56.310 We cannot afford more huge wildfires 02:32:56.310 --> 02:32:58.000 and their massive emissions. 02:32:58.000 --> 02:33:00.670 This tariff needs to be utterly scrapped. 02:33:00.670 --> 02:33:03.930 Let's re-start with the prime aim to massively increase 02:33:03.930 --> 02:33:06.540 distributed solar power, not kill us. 02:33:06.540 --> 02:33:09.040 Please remember the word "public" in PUC, 02:33:09.040 --> 02:33:11.680 and please act in the interest of all Californians, 02:33:11.680 --> 02:33:13.480 not the outdated utilities. 02:33:13.480 --> 02:33:14.313 Thank you. 02:33:15.210 --> 02:33:16.110 Thank you. 02:33:16.110 --> 02:33:17.703 Operator, next caller, please. 02:33:20.981 --> 02:33:22.660 Our next caller is James Irving. 02:33:22.660 --> 02:33:23.510 You may go ahead. 02:33:25.240 --> 02:33:26.110 Thank you. 02:33:26.110 --> 02:33:27.150 I'm James Irving. 02:33:27.150 --> 02:33:30.370 I run a cattle ranch west of Paso Robles. 02:33:30.370 --> 02:33:32.877 Last summer, after five outages, 02:33:32.877 --> 02:33:35.920 and one including 28 hours, 02:33:35.920 --> 02:33:38.000 I decided to borrow the money 02:33:38.000 --> 02:33:41.870 to invest in a $40,000 solar system. 02:33:41.870 --> 02:33:45.040 It was based on the projected return 02:33:45.040 --> 02:33:48.490 and payback to run the three houses 02:33:48.490 --> 02:33:50.650 and the wells on the ranch. 02:33:50.650 --> 02:33:55.570 This system, this proposed system, is completely wrong. 02:33:55.570 --> 02:33:59.130 It's a violation of the contract that was set up, 02:33:59.130 --> 02:34:03.700 and I do object very strongly to any tax. 02:34:03.700 --> 02:34:07.676 For those of us who are providing power into the grid, 02:34:07.676 --> 02:34:10.183 that we should be rewarded, not taxed, 02:34:10.183 --> 02:34:12.960 and the state should do what they can 02:34:12.960 --> 02:34:16.000 to increase battery storage. 02:34:16.000 --> 02:34:17.320 Thank you for your time 02:34:17.320 --> 02:34:19.640 in listening to all of our complaints. 02:34:19.640 --> 02:34:21.080 Thank you. 02:34:21.080 --> 02:34:21.960 Thank you. 02:34:21.960 --> 02:34:23.460 Operator, next caller, please. 02:34:27.720 --> 02:34:29.220 Our next caller is Susy Boyd. 02:34:29.220 --> 02:34:30.070 You may go ahead. 02:34:31.470 --> 02:34:32.870 Good morning, Commissioners. 02:34:32.870 --> 02:34:35.920 I'm Susy Boyd with Mojave Desert Land Trust. 02:34:35.920 --> 02:34:37.350 The Mojave Desert Land Trust 02:34:37.350 --> 02:34:39.430 works to preserve our public lands, 02:34:39.430 --> 02:34:42.430 with over 120,000 acres acquired 02:34:42.430 --> 02:34:45.520 across the Mojave and Colorado Deserts. 02:34:45.520 --> 02:34:48.620 While we support transition to clean energy, 02:34:48.620 --> 02:34:52.390 the proposed NEM3 rule removes economic incentive 02:34:52.390 --> 02:34:54.670 to promote rooftop solar. 02:34:54.670 --> 02:34:59.070 Large scale solar utility plans are projected to occupy 02:34:59.070 --> 02:35:02.730 over a half million acres of desert lands. 02:35:02.730 --> 02:35:05.600 With that number, exponentially greater, 02:35:05.600 --> 02:35:08.270 if rooftop solar is reduced. 02:35:08.270 --> 02:35:11.970 Desert land sequester 10% of our state's carbon, 02:35:11.970 --> 02:35:14.610 if the land is left undisturbed. 02:35:14.610 --> 02:35:18.070 California must prove it's an environmental leader, 02:35:18.070 --> 02:35:20.790 and make rooftop solar an integral part 02:35:20.790 --> 02:35:22.950 of its 2030 strategy. 02:35:22.950 --> 02:35:24.183 Thank you so much. 02:35:25.264 --> 02:35:26.290 Thank you. 02:35:26.290 --> 02:35:27.903 Operator, next caller, please. 02:35:29.640 --> 02:35:31.290 Our next caller is Sharon Grant. 02:35:31.290 --> 02:35:32.163 You may go ahead. 02:35:36.060 --> 02:35:38.890 Hi, Sharon Grant, (speaks indistinctly). 02:35:38.890 --> 02:35:41.580 I'm retired, and have had solar, rooftop solar, 02:35:41.580 --> 02:35:42.770 for eight years, 02:35:42.770 --> 02:35:47.240 saving thousands of dollars and kilowatts of energy. 02:35:47.240 --> 02:35:51.433 It's unconscionable for CPUSC to personally, 02:35:52.520 --> 02:35:56.180 sorry, to penalize rooftop solar, 02:35:56.180 --> 02:35:58.600 and allow energy monopolies 02:35:58.600 --> 02:36:02.063 to discourage California residents from installing solar. 02:36:03.960 --> 02:36:05.940 As a public utility, 02:36:05.940 --> 02:36:10.260 I urge the CPUC to assist residents to add solar, 02:36:10.260 --> 02:36:14.440 not help power monopolies to increase their profits. 02:36:14.440 --> 02:36:18.510 And the only people who want to gut solar 02:36:18.510 --> 02:36:22.510 are the people who figured out how to make a profit from it. 02:36:22.510 --> 02:36:26.280 So please protect the public good and the environment, 02:36:26.280 --> 02:36:27.970 not the power monopolies. 02:36:27.970 --> 02:36:29.570 Thank you. 02:36:29.570 --> 02:36:30.460 Thank you. 02:36:30.460 --> 02:36:32.160 Operator, our next caller, please. 02:36:35.330 --> 02:36:37.160 Our next caller is Daniel Berso. 02:36:37.160 --> 02:36:38.010 You may go ahead. 02:36:39.490 --> 02:36:41.330 Hello, my name is Daniel Bertow. 02:36:41.330 --> 02:36:43.570 I live in Petaluma, California, 02:36:43.570 --> 02:36:46.330 and I am a solar customer. 02:36:46.330 --> 02:36:48.620 I budgeted and planned. 02:36:48.620 --> 02:36:50.150 It was not an easy decision. 02:36:50.150 --> 02:36:52.260 It was a struggle to come up with the finances 02:36:52.260 --> 02:36:54.700 to install the solar in my house. 02:36:54.700 --> 02:36:57.620 And then, now, with the proposed changes, 02:36:57.620 --> 02:37:00.360 that puts my financial stability at risk. 02:37:00.360 --> 02:37:02.500 Please don't penalize me, or punish me, 02:37:02.500 --> 02:37:03.740 for doing the right thing 02:37:03.740 --> 02:37:07.130 by increasing solar access, and reducing carbon, 02:37:07.130 --> 02:37:08.960 our carbon footprint. 02:37:08.960 --> 02:37:10.560 Thank you so much for your time. 02:37:11.400 --> 02:37:12.233 Thank you. 02:37:12.233 --> 02:37:14.787 Operator, our next caller, please. 02:37:18.642 --> 02:37:20.240 Our next caller is Mike Pane. 02:37:20.240 --> 02:37:21.090 You may go ahead. 02:37:22.700 --> 02:37:23.870 Hello, Commissioners. 02:37:23.870 --> 02:37:25.730 Thank you for taking my call. 02:37:25.730 --> 02:37:26.750 My name is Mike Pane, 02:37:26.750 --> 02:37:29.980 and I am not only a solar and energy storage customer, 02:37:29.980 --> 02:37:33.020 but also a solar and storage business owner. 02:37:33.020 --> 02:37:35.830 My company, Synergy Solar, based in Sebastopol, 02:37:35.830 --> 02:37:37.720 has seven employees. 02:37:37.720 --> 02:37:40.920 The NEM3 proposal could put us out of business. 02:37:40.920 --> 02:37:43.210 I've been in the industry for 19 years, 02:37:43.210 --> 02:37:46.020 after soul searching around what career move 02:37:46.020 --> 02:37:48.590 would help ensure there was a habitable planet 02:37:48.590 --> 02:37:52.750 for my then 10-year-old daughter, and future grandchildren. 02:37:52.750 --> 02:37:53.930 Solar was the answer, 02:37:53.930 --> 02:37:56.060 and I believe it still is one of the major ways 02:37:56.060 --> 02:37:57.920 to combat climate change. 02:37:57.920 --> 02:38:00.450 Distributed solar and storage reduces the need 02:38:00.450 --> 02:38:01.480 for transmission lines, 02:38:01.480 --> 02:38:04.430 which, in turn, reduces wildfire risks, 02:38:04.430 --> 02:38:08.720 and increases customers' resiliency in energy independence. 02:38:08.720 --> 02:38:12.450 I urge you to make solar and storage stronger, not weaker. 02:38:12.450 --> 02:38:14.870 The NEM3 proposal would not only contradict 02:38:14.870 --> 02:38:16.480 California's climate goals, 02:38:16.480 --> 02:38:18.300 but would also cripple the industry, 02:38:18.300 --> 02:38:21.830 and impact the career paths of our employees and myself. 02:38:21.830 --> 02:38:22.663 Thank you. 02:38:23.510 --> 02:38:24.450 Thank you. 02:38:24.450 --> 02:38:26.150 Operator, our next caller, please. 02:38:28.550 --> 02:38:30.410 Our next caller is Cherene Birkholz. 02:38:30.410 --> 02:38:31.260 You may go ahead. 02:38:33.290 --> 02:38:34.767 Hello, my name is Cherene Birkholz, 02:38:34.767 --> 02:38:36.640 and I live in Long Beach. 02:38:36.640 --> 02:38:38.970 I oppose the NEM 3.0 proposal. 02:38:38.970 --> 02:38:42.050 It is deeply flawed, and it can't be fixed. 02:38:42.050 --> 02:38:44.890 There should be no tax of any kind on rooftop solar, 02:38:44.890 --> 02:38:47.550 and the utilities should honor their existing 02:38:47.550 --> 02:38:50.350 20 year protection for solar users. 02:38:50.350 --> 02:38:52.853 I invested in solar panels in 2019, 02:38:52.853 --> 02:38:55.330 with the understanding that my investment 02:38:55.330 --> 02:38:57.330 was protected for 20 years. 02:38:57.330 --> 02:39:00.510 I am appalled that the CPUC would allow the utilities 02:39:00.510 --> 02:39:03.610 to shorten their promise to their customers. 02:39:03.610 --> 02:39:06.620 I invested in solar panels for two reasons. 02:39:06.620 --> 02:39:09.410 First, to take control of my energy bills. 02:39:09.410 --> 02:39:12.710 The second, was that solar is good for the environment. 02:39:12.710 --> 02:39:15.870 I am convinced that the proposed NEM 3.0 02:39:15.870 --> 02:39:17.790 would kill rooftop solar. 02:39:17.790 --> 02:39:20.380 The middle class and lower income people 02:39:20.380 --> 02:39:22.750 who want to take control of their utility bills, 02:39:22.750 --> 02:39:25.340 and want to help fight climate change 02:39:25.340 --> 02:39:26.990 should not be locked out. 02:39:26.990 --> 02:39:27.823 Thank you. 02:39:28.740 --> 02:39:29.770 Thank you. 02:39:29.770 --> 02:39:31.470 Operator, our next caller, please. 02:39:34.137 --> 02:39:36.950 Our next caller is Judy Pinegar. 02:39:36.950 --> 02:39:37.923 You may go ahead. 02:39:40.780 --> 02:39:42.510 Yes, my name is Judy Pinegar, 02:39:42.510 --> 02:39:45.520 and I live outside of Loomis in Placer County. 02:39:45.520 --> 02:39:48.860 I've been a solar producer since 2012. 02:39:48.860 --> 02:39:50.490 I installed a system on my roof, 02:39:50.490 --> 02:39:53.880 and was okay with a $200 a month PG&E bill. 02:39:53.880 --> 02:39:58.800 Six years later, in 2018, the bill was $900 a month. 02:39:58.800 --> 02:40:00.500 So I leased a solar array, 02:40:00.500 --> 02:40:02.680 and I now pay about 330 a month, 02:40:02.680 --> 02:40:05.671 and still have to pay more to PG&E (speaks indistinctly). 02:40:05.671 --> 02:40:08.400 I do not think there should be a tax on solar power. 02:40:08.400 --> 02:40:11.770 56 to $91 a month is way too much. 02:40:11.770 --> 02:40:13.677 I am personally paying for everything I produce, 02:40:13.677 --> 02:40:16.750 and PG&E is taking advantage of my production. 02:40:16.750 --> 02:40:19.830 PG&E pays 25 cents per kilowatt hour I produce, 02:40:19.830 --> 02:40:23.650 and turns around and sells it for 38 cents an hour or more. 02:40:23.650 --> 02:40:25.890 And their proposal to reduce my payment 02:40:25.890 --> 02:40:28.350 to only five to seven per kilowatt hour. 02:40:28.350 --> 02:40:30.390 We need solar power to be more available 02:40:30.390 --> 02:40:32.870 for middle class ratepayers like myself. 02:40:32.870 --> 02:40:35.100 After 10 years of doing the right thing to save energy 02:40:35.100 --> 02:40:36.440 and help stop the climate change, 02:40:36.440 --> 02:40:38.770 why should I have to pay a tax to PG&E? 02:40:40.940 --> 02:40:41.850 Thank you. 02:40:41.850 --> 02:40:43.550 Operator, our next caller, please. 02:40:46.408 --> 02:40:47.241 I'm done. Our next caller 02:40:47.241 --> 02:40:48.920 is Brett Garrett. 02:40:48.920 --> 02:40:49.770 You may go ahead. 02:40:52.420 --> 02:40:55.830 Hi, this is Brett Garrett in Goleta, California. 02:40:55.830 --> 02:40:56.960 I'm a volunteer with the 02:40:56.960 --> 02:40:59.550 California Alliance for Community Energy, 02:40:59.550 --> 02:41:02.410 and I'm calling on you to save rooftop solar. 02:41:02.410 --> 02:41:04.810 The proposed decision is based on the mislead, 02:41:04.810 --> 02:41:06.420 the avoided cost calculator, 02:41:06.420 --> 02:41:07.640 which fails to recognize 02:41:07.640 --> 02:41:10.070 the community benefits of rooftop solar, 02:41:10.070 --> 02:41:13.160 such as health benefits, resilience, local jobs, 02:41:13.160 --> 02:41:16.470 reduced wildfires, and reducing power shutoffs. 02:41:16.470 --> 02:41:18.810 All overlooked in the avoided cost calculators, 02:41:18.810 --> 02:41:21.610 and in the proposed NEM3 decision. 02:41:21.610 --> 02:41:22.900 California should be a leader 02:41:22.900 --> 02:41:24.730 in supporting President Biden's plans 02:41:24.730 --> 02:41:26.660 to expand rooftop solar. 02:41:26.660 --> 02:41:29.447 Don't punish solar customers with fixed monthly charges, 02:41:29.447 --> 02:41:32.540 and the extreme reduction of compensation. 02:41:32.540 --> 02:41:35.537 Existing customers have been promised 20 years of NEM, 02:41:36.875 --> 02:41:37.800 and those promises should be kept. 02:41:37.800 --> 02:41:39.400 Please support rooftop solar, 02:41:39.400 --> 02:41:42.000 and also incentivize battery storage. 02:41:42.000 --> 02:41:44.190 The existing proposal will leave wealthy customers 02:41:44.190 --> 02:41:46.920 with their own batteries to defect from the grid, 02:41:46.920 --> 02:41:49.063 the exact opposite of what is needed. 02:41:49.910 --> 02:41:53.060 Please reject or change the proposed decision. 02:41:53.060 --> 02:41:54.620 Thank you. 02:41:54.620 --> 02:41:55.453 Thank you. 02:41:55.453 --> 02:41:57.100 Operator, our next caller, please. 02:41:58.670 --> 02:42:00.500 Our next caller is Jason Jackson. 02:42:00.500 --> 02:42:01.350 You may go ahead. 02:42:04.370 --> 02:42:05.980 Hi, my name is Jason Jackson. 02:42:05.980 --> 02:42:09.000 I'm CEO of Vital Energy Solutions in Sonoma County 02:42:09.000 --> 02:42:10.980 with 34 employees. 02:42:10.980 --> 02:42:12.650 I've been in all aspects of solar 02:42:12.650 --> 02:42:15.250 and the alternative energy industry in the Bay Area,' 02:42:15.250 --> 02:42:17.890 and nationally, since the Carter administration. 02:42:17.890 --> 02:42:19.327 I'm proud of working in this industry, 02:42:19.327 --> 02:42:22.020 and I love the passionate people in solar. 02:42:22.020 --> 02:42:24.340 This proposed decision, NEM3, 02:42:24.340 --> 02:42:27.690 will absolutely cripple the industry for years to come. 02:42:27.690 --> 02:42:30.170 All eyes are on this at this critical time. 02:42:30.170 --> 02:42:32.380 We have to think beyond the economic agenda 02:42:32.380 --> 02:42:33.890 of the utility companies. 02:42:33.890 --> 02:42:36.080 A lot of good people are going to be out of work, 02:42:36.080 --> 02:42:38.880 and won't be able to afford solar and storage. 02:42:38.880 --> 02:42:40.330 At a time when we are all living 02:42:40.330 --> 02:42:42.387 with the obvious impacts of climate change, 02:42:42.387 --> 02:42:44.950 and the increasing unreliability of the grid, 02:42:44.950 --> 02:42:47.210 this is absolutely the wrong direction. 02:42:47.210 --> 02:42:48.380 California has been leading 02:42:48.380 --> 02:42:50.480 the green energy movement for the country. 02:42:50.480 --> 02:42:52.690 In the interest of protecting the climate 02:42:52.690 --> 02:42:55.290 for our children and for future generations, 02:42:55.290 --> 02:42:56.460 we need to be very careful 02:42:56.460 --> 02:42:59.010 about the impact of decisions we make today. 02:42:59.010 --> 02:43:01.440 Don't vote for this proposed decision. 02:43:01.440 --> 02:43:02.500 Start over. 02:43:02.500 --> 02:43:03.810 I thank you for your time. 02:43:03.810 --> 02:43:05.210 Thank you. 02:43:05.210 --> 02:43:06.150 Thank you. 02:43:06.150 --> 02:43:08.213 Operator, our next caller, please. 02:43:10.500 --> 02:43:12.460 Our next caller is Peter Davis. 02:43:12.460 --> 02:43:13.310 You may go ahead. 02:43:15.610 --> 02:43:17.980 You know, I'm Peter Davis from San Bruno, 02:43:17.980 --> 02:43:20.660 and this new net billing tariff is grossly unfair, 02:43:20.660 --> 02:43:22.420 as it's based ridiculous assumptions, 02:43:22.420 --> 02:43:25.620 as many experts have already described. 02:43:25.620 --> 02:43:27.770 For me, I have the only solar roof in my neighborhood, 02:43:27.770 --> 02:43:30.260 so my excess electricity never leaves the block. 02:43:30.260 --> 02:43:32.090 This proposal would allow PG&E 02:43:32.090 --> 02:43:34.430 to pay me 6 cents for my electricity, 02:43:34.430 --> 02:43:35.800 and turn around and sell it to my neighbor 02:43:35.800 --> 02:43:38.390 20 feet away for 25 cents. 02:43:38.390 --> 02:43:40.490 But, you know, I wouldn't even see that 5 cents, 02:43:40.490 --> 02:43:42.370 'cause I'd be paying PG&E 60 bucks a month 02:43:42.370 --> 02:43:44.560 just for the rights of solar panels. 02:43:44.560 --> 02:43:45.990 This is just crazy. 02:43:45.990 --> 02:43:47.100 You know, even the mafia 02:43:47.100 --> 02:43:49.320 wouldn't come up with a shakedown like this. 02:43:49.320 --> 02:43:50.690 My house, it's partially shaded, 02:43:50.690 --> 02:43:52.460 and so my a payoff time is not 10 years. 02:43:52.460 --> 02:43:53.740 It's not five years. 02:43:53.740 --> 02:43:55.090 It's 17 years. 02:43:55.090 --> 02:43:56.350 And now, I have to replace my roof, 02:43:56.350 --> 02:43:57.320 and so I'll have to pay extra 02:43:57.320 --> 02:43:59.370 to take the solar panels off and on again. 02:43:59.370 --> 02:44:02.790 I could never afford to install solar under this new tariff. 02:44:02.790 --> 02:44:04.090 While the utilities claim to be 02:44:04.090 --> 02:44:06.320 on the side of economic access for all, 02:44:06.320 --> 02:44:08.140 this would have exactly the opposite impact, 02:44:08.140 --> 02:44:10.600 freezing out low and middle income households 02:44:10.600 --> 02:44:12.410 just when solar has got affordable, 02:44:12.410 --> 02:44:15.330 and is being installed at all economic levels. 02:44:15.330 --> 02:44:16.810 You're the PUC. 02:44:16.810 --> 02:44:18.480 Please stand up for the public. 02:44:18.480 --> 02:44:20.470 Don't support legacy utilities. 02:44:20.470 --> 02:44:21.303 Thank you. 02:44:22.160 --> 02:44:23.120 Thank you. 02:44:23.120 --> 02:44:24.763 Operator, next caller, please. 02:44:26.540 --> 02:44:28.320 Our next caller is Molly McCoy. 02:44:28.320 --> 02:44:29.153 You may go ahead 02:44:37.470 --> 02:44:39.070 Again, Molly McCoy, your line is open. 02:44:39.070 --> 02:44:41.082 Please check your mute button. 02:44:41.082 --> 02:44:43.830 Oh! (clears throat) 02:44:43.830 --> 02:44:44.663 Good morning. 02:44:44.663 --> 02:44:45.500 My name is Molly McCoy, 02:44:45.500 --> 02:44:48.300 and I'm a Ventura County resident and college student. 02:44:48.300 --> 02:44:51.030 I strongly oppose any type of solar panel tax. 02:44:51.030 --> 02:44:53.560 Rooftop solar must be affordable for all Californians. 02:44:53.560 --> 02:44:55.680 I am implore the committee to honor 02:44:55.680 --> 02:44:58.480 the existing 20 year protection for solar users, 02:44:58.480 --> 02:45:00.220 like myself and my family. 02:45:00.220 --> 02:45:01.870 As a young adult here in California, 02:45:01.870 --> 02:45:04.710 I am dependent on public officials, such as yourself, 02:45:04.710 --> 02:45:06.700 to protect my generation from the devastating 02:45:06.700 --> 02:45:09.060 ramifications of climate change. 02:45:09.060 --> 02:45:11.490 We are the ones that have to live with your decisions. 02:45:11.490 --> 02:45:13.590 Reliance on greenhouse gas emissions 02:45:13.590 --> 02:45:16.260 creates a positive feedback loop in our ecosphere, 02:45:16.260 --> 02:45:19.233 which progressively worsen the climate crisis. 02:45:20.210 --> 02:45:22.710 We must transition to renewable energy 02:45:22.710 --> 02:45:24.360 to mitigate these consequences, 02:45:24.360 --> 02:45:25.800 such as the heat waves, droughts, 02:45:25.800 --> 02:45:28.240 and wildfires we are all familiar with. 02:45:28.240 --> 02:45:29.760 I, along with the 400 02:45:29.760 --> 02:45:32.260 and counting constituents calling in today, 02:45:32.260 --> 02:45:33.687 urge you to protect solar, 02:45:33.687 --> 02:45:38.040 and reject the NEM 3.0 in this current proposal. 02:45:38.040 --> 02:45:39.630 California has a responsibility 02:45:39.630 --> 02:45:41.490 to lead the way in the climate movement. 02:45:41.490 --> 02:45:43.017 My generation, the United States, 02:45:43.017 --> 02:45:44.710 and the world is counting on you. 02:45:44.710 --> 02:45:45.910 Thank you for your time. 02:45:46.870 --> 02:45:47.703 Thank you. 02:45:47.703 --> 02:45:49.100 Operator, next caller, please. 02:45:52.000 --> 02:45:53.790 Our next caller is Dina Lane. 02:45:53.790 --> 02:45:54.640 You may go ahead. 02:45:55.620 --> 02:45:57.680 Yes, thank you, Commissioners. 02:45:57.680 --> 02:46:01.130 My name is Dina Lane, and I'm retired. 02:46:01.130 --> 02:46:02.650 I live in Upland, California, 02:46:02.650 --> 02:46:06.427 and installed rooftop solar on my home in 2018 02:46:08.080 --> 02:46:10.780 to afford summer heating bills. 02:46:10.780 --> 02:46:15.733 My family needs reliable low cost electric power, 02:46:17.030 --> 02:46:20.944 because we have a medical device in the house 02:46:20.944 --> 02:46:23.160 that we must maintain, 02:46:23.160 --> 02:46:27.340 and we need to stabilize summer electric bills 02:46:27.340 --> 02:46:30.763 since I'm on a fixed middle income ratepayer. 02:46:32.360 --> 02:46:34.060 This past weekend, 02:46:34.060 --> 02:46:37.933 our electricity was out for over 20 hours. 02:46:38.830 --> 02:46:42.700 Please help me to maintain my dignity 02:46:42.700 --> 02:46:47.700 to continue to afford solar system, my solar system, 02:46:48.007 --> 02:46:52.730 and install an affordable battery storage system to it. 02:46:52.730 --> 02:46:56.050 Lastly, please continue to honor, 02:46:56.050 --> 02:47:01.050 and not renege, on the 20 year protection for solar units. 02:47:03.089 --> 02:47:05.000 We thank you- (bell dinging) 02:47:05.000 --> 02:47:05.833 Thank you. 02:47:05.833 --> 02:47:07.090 Thank you for your comment. 02:47:07.090 --> 02:47:09.200 Operator, next caller, please. 02:47:10.550 --> 02:47:12.780 Our next caller is Bill Brown. 02:47:12.780 --> 02:47:13.630 You may go ahead. 02:47:15.090 --> 02:47:18.473 Hi, thank you for listening to us today, 02:47:19.350 --> 02:47:21.481 Commissioners and Miss President, 02:47:21.481 --> 02:47:24.550 and being so kind in the process. 02:47:24.550 --> 02:47:28.160 And I put rooftop solar on my house, 02:47:28.160 --> 02:47:30.773 because we had a $600 utility bill, 02:47:32.230 --> 02:47:34.550 and I wanted to cut down on costs. 02:47:34.550 --> 02:47:37.050 I also remember the days... 02:47:37.050 --> 02:47:39.810 I'm a native Californian in the Los Angeles area. 02:47:39.810 --> 02:47:43.760 I remember when the skies were gray because of smog 02:47:43.760 --> 02:47:45.590 and all the pollution from cars, 02:47:45.590 --> 02:47:47.670 and our state stepped up and changed that 02:47:47.670 --> 02:47:52.670 with the whole smog on cars. 02:47:53.790 --> 02:47:56.380 Now, that's starting to happen with solar, 02:47:56.380 --> 02:47:58.770 and you guys wanna cut it off. 02:47:58.770 --> 02:48:03.770 I implore you, CPUC, Governor Newsom, to not do that, 02:48:04.040 --> 02:48:07.200 not make solar unaffordable to everybody, 02:48:07.200 --> 02:48:08.230 but to promote it, 02:48:08.230 --> 02:48:11.690 to let it be allowed to continue in an industry 02:48:11.690 --> 02:48:14.720 to keep our skies blue, like they are today, 02:48:14.720 --> 02:48:17.970 to cut down on pollution, 02:48:17.970 --> 02:48:20.320 and enable us to have 02:48:20.320 --> 02:48:22.933 cheap renewable energy through rooftop solar. 02:48:24.540 --> 02:48:26.270 Thank you very much. 02:48:26.270 --> 02:48:28.130 Operator, next caller, please. 02:48:31.180 --> 02:48:33.890 Our next caller is Mike Mclaughlin. 02:48:33.890 --> 02:48:35.650 You may go ahead. 02:48:35.650 --> 02:48:37.080 Hi, my name is Mike Mclaughlin. 02:48:37.080 --> 02:48:38.770 I just retired after 31 years 02:48:38.770 --> 02:48:40.217 in the waste and recycle industry, 02:48:40.217 --> 02:48:42.550 and I live in Brentwood, California. 02:48:42.550 --> 02:48:44.180 I'm strongly opposed to the proposal 02:48:44.180 --> 02:48:46.690 put forth by the CPUC and utilities. 02:48:46.690 --> 02:48:48.720 There should be no solar tax surcharge 02:48:48.720 --> 02:48:50.440 or connection fee of any kind. 02:48:50.440 --> 02:48:51.610 You should be working to ensure 02:48:51.610 --> 02:48:54.590 that solar becomes more affordable for everyone. 02:48:54.590 --> 02:48:56.910 We're all expected to switch to electric vehicles 02:48:56.910 --> 02:48:59.030 and appliances in the very near future. 02:48:59.030 --> 02:49:02.008 You're gonna need more solar installations, not less. 02:49:02.008 --> 02:49:04.010 (clears throat) California will not meet 02:49:04.010 --> 02:49:07.200 its climate change goals if we back away from rooftop solar. 02:49:07.200 --> 02:49:09.240 The state itself says, "We need to triple the amount 02:49:09.240 --> 02:49:11.930 of solar power to get off of fossil fuels". 02:49:11.930 --> 02:49:15.230 We can't conserve our way to these goals. 02:49:15.230 --> 02:49:16.560 At this time, when it's so urgent 02:49:16.560 --> 02:49:19.360 to get more clean energy to the grid, 02:49:19.360 --> 02:49:23.173 why would you propose such a tax on rooftop solar? 02:49:28.380 --> 02:49:29.590 Thank you very much. 02:49:29.590 --> 02:49:31.290 Operator, the next caller, please. 02:49:33.290 --> 02:49:34.930 Our next caller is Alice Root. 02:49:34.930 --> 02:49:35.780 You may go ahead. 02:49:37.890 --> 02:49:40.330 Hi, this is Alice Root 02:49:40.330 --> 02:49:43.803 from rough and Redding, Northern California. 02:49:45.340 --> 02:49:47.910 I'm opposed to the proposed rule change 02:49:47.910 --> 02:49:49.210 for solar reimbursement. 02:49:49.210 --> 02:49:51.350 It's not fair to change 02:49:51.350 --> 02:49:54.660 and go back on your promise in 2016, 02:49:54.660 --> 02:49:57.358 that we would be guaranteed fair reimbursement. 02:49:57.358 --> 02:50:01.900 We still owe over $8,000 on the system we installed 02:50:01.900 --> 02:50:06.440 for about $22,000 in 2019. 02:50:06.440 --> 02:50:08.120 Last year, we already paid 02:50:08.120 --> 02:50:12.100 almost three and a half times more for PG&E energy 02:50:12.100 --> 02:50:13.750 than we did the previous year, 02:50:13.750 --> 02:50:17.850 even though we produced more solar to send back to the grid. 02:50:17.850 --> 02:50:20.070 But because of the mandatory rate change 02:50:20.070 --> 02:50:23.891 to time of day metering plan, 02:50:23.891 --> 02:50:28.891 we are already paying a huge increase. 02:50:28.980 --> 02:50:30.150 This needs to stop. 02:50:30.150 --> 02:50:32.710 I ask you to scrap this plan, 02:50:32.710 --> 02:50:35.193 and have no solar tax whatsoever. 02:50:37.090 --> 02:50:38.860 Thank you. Thank you. 02:50:38.860 --> 02:50:41.190 Operator, our next caller, please. 02:50:43.480 --> 02:50:46.070 Our next caller is Marcy Snyder. 02:50:46.070 --> 02:50:46.903 You may go ahead 02:50:52.610 --> 02:50:54.780 Again, Marcy Snyder, your line is open. 02:50:54.780 --> 02:50:55.783 You may go ahead. 02:51:06.900 --> 02:51:09.323 Operator, let's move to the next caller. 02:51:13.490 --> 02:51:14.970 Our next caller is Olivia. 02:51:14.970 --> 02:51:15.833 You may go ahead. 02:51:18.029 --> 02:51:20.240 Oh, hi, yes, can you hear me? 02:51:20.240 --> 02:51:22.300 Yes, thank you. Okay, hi. 02:51:22.300 --> 02:51:23.133 This is Olivia. 02:51:23.133 --> 02:51:24.163 I'm a homeowner. 02:51:25.020 --> 02:51:28.770 I am here today to ask that you reject the proposal 02:51:28.770 --> 02:51:31.620 of adding solar tax to solar homeowners. 02:51:31.620 --> 02:51:33.510 I'm a single mother with two children. 02:51:33.510 --> 02:51:37.103 I work very, very hard to support my family. 02:51:38.010 --> 02:51:39.990 And I installed solar systems on my house, 02:51:39.990 --> 02:51:42.710 because I thought it was the right thing to do. 02:51:42.710 --> 02:51:44.400 It better for the environment. 02:51:44.400 --> 02:51:49.330 However, if the NEM 3.0 proposal pass, 02:51:49.330 --> 02:51:52.740 it'll be very hard for working women to afford solar, 02:51:52.740 --> 02:51:55.470 because on top of paying all the bills, 02:51:55.470 --> 02:51:57.140 I will be forced to pay 02:51:57.140 --> 02:51:59.393 the $8 per kilowatt solar tax each month. 02:52:00.390 --> 02:52:02.380 And adding solar tax, 02:52:02.380 --> 02:52:04.410 it is just not fair! 02:52:04.410 --> 02:52:06.830 It's punish people who are trying to do the right thing 02:52:06.830 --> 02:52:10.550 to save the environment, and it is not right. 02:52:10.550 --> 02:52:14.849 So I asked the PCUC to reject this proposal. 02:52:14.849 --> 02:52:15.682 Thank you. 02:52:16.641 --> 02:52:17.474 Thank you very much. 02:52:17.474 --> 02:52:19.133 Operator, the next caller, please. 02:52:22.290 --> 02:52:25.120 Our next caller is Olin Walsh. 02:52:25.120 --> 02:52:25.970 You may go ahead. 02:52:27.220 --> 02:52:29.140 Hi, my name is Colin Walsh, 02:52:29.140 --> 02:52:32.200 the COO with SolarReviews.com. 02:52:32.200 --> 02:52:35.280 Over a million California homeowners visit our website 02:52:35.280 --> 02:52:37.230 researching solar every year. 02:52:37.230 --> 02:52:38.710 So we're in kind of a unique position 02:52:38.710 --> 02:52:41.995 to see what ratepayers think about the NEM proposal. 02:52:41.995 --> 02:52:43.800 To that end, three weeks ago, 02:52:43.800 --> 02:52:46.480 we sent out a survey to all the California homeowners 02:52:46.480 --> 02:52:48.330 who requested quotes through our site 02:52:48.330 --> 02:52:50.040 over the past couple years, 02:52:50.040 --> 02:52:53.453 and we got 4,848 responses. 02:52:54.340 --> 02:52:57.080 68% of people that responded said, 02:52:57.080 --> 02:52:59.580 they would no longer consider installing solar 02:52:59.580 --> 02:53:00.437 if California implements 02:53:00.437 --> 02:53:03.640 the proposed avoided cost rate plan, 02:53:03.640 --> 02:53:07.954 and 95% of respondents would no longer consider solar 02:53:07.954 --> 02:53:11.841 if California adopted both the avoid the cost rate plan 02:53:11.841 --> 02:53:15.110 and implemented the monthly grid participation charge. 02:53:15.110 --> 02:53:17.580 So we'd like to urge the Commission 02:53:17.580 --> 02:53:20.740 to consider this real up to date data in your assumptions. 02:53:20.740 --> 02:53:24.140 If we have 90% of people considering solar 02:53:24.140 --> 02:53:25.910 no longer willing to move forward, 02:53:25.910 --> 02:53:28.540 they will not be paying the grid participation charge, 02:53:28.540 --> 02:53:30.370 and a lot of installers will be out of work. 02:53:30.370 --> 02:53:31.203 Thank you. 02:53:32.120 --> 02:53:32.953 Thank you. 02:53:32.953 --> 02:53:34.480 Operator, our next caller, please. 02:53:37.260 --> 02:53:39.600 Our next caller is Jeff Lounsberry. 02:53:39.600 --> 02:53:40.693 You may go ahead. 02:53:41.810 --> 02:53:42.980 Good afternoon, Commissioners. 02:53:42.980 --> 02:53:45.310 Thank you for the time to speak. 02:53:45.310 --> 02:53:46.147 My name is Jeff Lounsberry, 02:53:46.147 --> 02:53:50.040 and I've worked in the solar industry for 15 years, 02:53:50.040 --> 02:53:51.650 primarily working with farmers 02:53:51.650 --> 02:53:54.240 across the entire state of California. 02:53:54.240 --> 02:53:56.830 And I think that we all are aware 02:53:56.830 --> 02:53:59.170 that the challenges of climate 02:53:59.170 --> 02:54:03.060 for farmers in California are not hypothetical. 02:54:03.060 --> 02:54:05.190 Over the last decade, 02:54:05.190 --> 02:54:07.900 droughts have rendered 02:54:07.900 --> 02:54:11.800 a lot of their farmable land unusable. 02:54:11.800 --> 02:54:13.960 They cannot irrigate that land. 02:54:13.960 --> 02:54:18.447 There is a greater amount of drought crops 02:54:20.550 --> 02:54:23.500 that are going out of a circulation right now, 02:54:23.500 --> 02:54:25.580 and that land is fallow. 02:54:25.580 --> 02:54:28.700 So to farmers across the state, 02:54:28.700 --> 02:54:33.610 the ability to have a way to predict their energy cost, 02:54:33.610 --> 02:54:36.020 install solar, reduce some of the pressure 02:54:36.020 --> 02:54:38.530 on them financially is a big deal. 02:54:38.530 --> 02:54:41.740 It can mean the livelihood of that family farm. 02:54:41.740 --> 02:54:45.310 And I implore you to start over. 02:54:45.310 --> 02:54:48.280 Reject this current preliminary decision, 02:54:48.280 --> 02:54:51.160 and find a more equitable way forward. 02:54:51.160 --> 02:54:52.730 Thank you. 02:54:52.730 --> 02:54:53.563 Thank you. 02:54:53.563 --> 02:54:55.010 Operator, next caller, please. 02:54:56.918 --> 02:54:58.880 Our next caller is Kevin Grundy. 02:54:58.880 --> 02:54:59.730 You may go ahead. 02:55:05.540 --> 02:55:06.920 I've been a solar customer 02:55:06.920 --> 02:55:10.350 with San Diego Gas and Electric since 2002. 02:55:10.350 --> 02:55:12.210 There are four things we all need to do 02:55:12.210 --> 02:55:14.460 to stop this uncontrolled profit gouging 02:55:14.460 --> 02:55:17.650 by energy providers, like San Diego Gas and Electric. 02:55:17.650 --> 02:55:20.000 First, we should elect a different Governor, 02:55:20.000 --> 02:55:23.550 one that prioritizes increasing green energy production 02:55:23.550 --> 02:55:25.590 over corporate profiteering. 02:55:25.590 --> 02:55:28.960 Second, the Public Utility Commission, as it exists today, 02:55:28.960 --> 02:55:30.000 should be abolished, 02:55:30.000 --> 02:55:32.820 and replaced with a voter-approved panel of regular citizens 02:55:32.820 --> 02:55:34.360 whose pockets aren't being lined 02:55:34.360 --> 02:55:37.690 by the corporations they're supposed to be overseeing. 02:55:37.690 --> 02:55:40.950 Third, we need to encourage our cities, like San Diego, 02:55:40.950 --> 02:55:42.340 to opt out of their agreement 02:55:42.340 --> 02:55:44.450 with shareholder-owned utilities, 02:55:44.450 --> 02:55:47.100 and instead, replace them with publicly-owned utilities, 02:55:47.100 --> 02:55:48.710 like they have in Sacramento, 02:55:48.710 --> 02:55:52.330 which has some of the lowest utility rates in the state. 02:55:52.330 --> 02:55:55.690 Finally, customers like myself with off-grid systems 02:55:55.690 --> 02:55:57.230 that are just connected to the grid 02:55:57.230 --> 02:55:58.780 to back-feed our excess energy 02:55:58.780 --> 02:56:00.550 should go completely off-grid, 02:56:00.550 --> 02:56:02.670 and return our meters to their owners. 02:56:02.670 --> 02:56:04.440 California law does not prevent us 02:56:04.440 --> 02:56:06.430 from going completely off grid. 02:56:06.430 --> 02:56:07.510 So instead of making (bell dinging) 02:56:07.510 --> 02:56:10.630 money from our three cent- Thank you very much. 02:56:10.630 --> 02:56:12.463 Operator, the next caller, please. 02:56:16.030 --> 02:56:18.080 Our next caller is Harold Birdman. 02:56:18.080 --> 02:56:18.930 You may go ahead. 02:56:23.730 --> 02:56:24.820 Hello. 02:56:24.820 --> 02:56:27.290 I'm a renter, and I'm retired. 02:56:27.290 --> 02:56:29.340 I'm a renter in a large apartment building. 02:56:29.340 --> 02:56:31.870 I have no ulterior financial motive in saying 02:56:31.870 --> 02:56:34.410 this proposal is a complete outrage. 02:56:34.410 --> 02:56:37.430 The exact opposite of what California should be doing. 02:56:37.430 --> 02:56:40.320 We face potentially catastrophic climate change. 02:56:40.320 --> 02:56:42.810 We should be encouraging the use of rooftop solar, 02:56:42.810 --> 02:56:44.520 not discouraging it. 02:56:44.520 --> 02:56:48.010 The justifications for the proposal are completely bogus. 02:56:48.010 --> 02:56:49.780 Solar power users pay for the grid 02:56:49.780 --> 02:56:51.900 exactly like every other customer. 02:56:51.900 --> 02:56:53.690 Why should they pay more? 02:56:53.690 --> 02:56:56.780 Why is power from rooftop solar that fights climate change 02:56:56.780 --> 02:57:00.830 worth 80%, less than power from fossil fuels, 02:57:00.830 --> 02:57:03.090 which contribute to climate change? 02:57:03.090 --> 02:57:05.910 This proposal is a craven surrender 02:57:05.910 --> 02:57:07.990 to the power companies' greed, 02:57:07.990 --> 02:57:10.320 an exact opposite of what you, 02:57:10.320 --> 02:57:13.500 members of the CPUC, should be doing. 02:57:13.500 --> 02:57:14.333 Thank you. 02:57:15.360 --> 02:57:16.610 Thank you. 02:57:16.610 --> 02:57:18.310 Operator, our next caller, please. 02:57:20.333 --> 02:57:21.900 Our next caller is Scott Evans. 02:57:21.900 --> 02:57:22.750 You may go ahead. 02:57:24.640 --> 02:57:25.473 Good afternoon. 02:57:25.473 --> 02:57:26.380 My name is Scott Evans, 02:57:26.380 --> 02:57:29.260 and I am a resident of Inglewood, California, 02:57:29.260 --> 02:57:30.770 currently installing rooftop solar, 02:57:30.770 --> 02:57:32.380 purchased from a California small business, 02:57:32.380 --> 02:57:34.040 because I believe in strongly 02:57:34.040 --> 02:57:36.340 in reducing my personal impact on the environment, 02:57:36.340 --> 02:57:39.230 and reducing my reliance and burden on the electric grid. 02:57:39.230 --> 02:57:41.430 I've already reduced my home energy usage to a point. 02:57:41.430 --> 02:57:42.760 Your proposed solar tax 02:57:42.760 --> 02:57:44.560 will exceed my average electric bill, 02:57:44.560 --> 02:57:46.100 in effect, punishing me financially 02:57:46.100 --> 02:57:48.420 for doing the right thing for the environment, our air, 02:57:48.420 --> 02:57:50.760 and for over-burdened electric grid. 02:57:50.760 --> 02:57:53.520 My city averages 263 days a year of sun, 02:57:53.520 --> 02:57:55.050 ranking it with other California cities 02:57:55.050 --> 02:57:57.790 among the sunniest in the entire country. 02:57:57.790 --> 02:57:58.680 It is also located in the 02:57:58.680 --> 02:58:00.630 densest urban region of the country. 02:58:00.630 --> 02:58:02.060 Rooftop solar is an ideal means 02:58:02.060 --> 02:58:04.560 of achieving California's goals in reducing pollution, 02:58:04.560 --> 02:58:06.530 combating climate change, and wildfires, 02:58:06.530 --> 02:58:08.020 protecting our open spaces, 02:58:08.020 --> 02:58:10.200 and fortifying our under-maintained electric grid. 02:58:10.200 --> 02:58:12.500 It is unconscionable a California State regulator 02:58:12.500 --> 02:58:13.960 would propose drastically increasing 02:58:13.960 --> 02:58:16.590 the cost of rooftop solar in the face of these goals. 02:58:16.590 --> 02:58:18.130 The goal should be to make rooftop solar 02:58:18.130 --> 02:58:20.880 as accessible to as many Californians as possible. 02:58:20.880 --> 02:58:22.940 Your responsibility as a public regulator 02:58:22.940 --> 02:58:25.710 is to protect people, not utility profits. 02:58:25.710 --> 02:58:27.330 Thank you. 02:58:27.330 --> 02:58:28.230 Thank you. 02:58:28.230 --> 02:58:29.883 Operator, next caller, please. 02:58:32.550 --> 02:58:34.490 Our next caller is Steve Chang. 02:58:34.490 --> 02:58:35.340 You may go ahead. 02:58:36.480 --> 02:58:38.320 Thanks, President Jennings 02:58:38.320 --> 02:58:40.460 and Commission members for this discussion. 02:58:40.460 --> 02:58:42.500 I know you're put in a bind. 02:58:42.500 --> 02:58:47.500 But here, I'm affiliated also with SunPower, 02:58:48.450 --> 02:58:50.083 a top-rated company. 02:58:51.020 --> 02:58:55.263 Wanna echo the valid points of the previous callers, 02:58:57.015 --> 02:58:59.933 and just wanna say that, 02:59:02.810 --> 02:59:05.990 this is one of those, where you vote yes on NEM3, 02:59:05.990 --> 02:59:10.990 if you want more extreme fires 02:59:11.150 --> 02:59:14.053 and windstorms that we just had, 02:59:16.490 --> 02:59:18.760 then you would wanna vote yes. 02:59:18.760 --> 02:59:21.450 But here, I'm also powering my home 02:59:21.450 --> 02:59:26.010 and electric minivan with solar, the ultimate solution. 02:59:26.010 --> 02:59:29.013 Why we would wanna stymie that progress is, 02:59:29.013 --> 02:59:31.213 it's up to you to explain. 02:59:32.200 --> 02:59:34.530 And also, to add on, 02:59:34.530 --> 02:59:36.500 I had a bunch of valid points, 02:59:36.500 --> 02:59:38.080 but they've all been covered. 02:59:38.080 --> 02:59:40.660 It's kinda like the ozone layer. 02:59:40.660 --> 02:59:42.480 When we found there was a hole, 02:59:42.480 --> 02:59:45.158 we fixed that as a world. 02:59:45.158 --> 02:59:47.930 Okay? (bell dinging) 02:59:47.930 --> 02:59:49.430 Thank you very much. 02:59:49.430 --> 02:59:51.130 Operator, the next caller, please. 02:59:53.190 --> 02:59:55.040 Our next caller is Sam Johnson. 02:59:55.040 --> 02:59:55.913 You may go ahead. 02:59:58.620 --> 03:00:01.060 Hi, thanks for taking the time 03:00:01.060 --> 03:00:03.320 to listen to all our comments. 03:00:03.320 --> 03:00:04.190 My name's Sam Johnson. 03:00:04.190 --> 03:00:06.440 I work with SunPower by Green Convergence. 03:00:06.440 --> 03:00:08.510 I'm a solar energy consultant. 03:00:08.510 --> 03:00:10.860 Been in the in industry for about eight years. 03:00:10.860 --> 03:00:13.990 And yeah, it's been a huge blessing for me and my family. 03:00:13.990 --> 03:00:16.147 I am the sole provider of my family. 03:00:16.147 --> 03:00:18.660 I have a beautiful wife and little girl, 03:00:18.660 --> 03:00:21.023 who's six-years-old, and she's homeschooled. 03:00:21.971 --> 03:00:25.050 And in this industry and this job just helped me 03:00:25.050 --> 03:00:26.730 provide in a really wonderful way 03:00:27.954 --> 03:00:29.848 to give the life to my wife and daughter 03:00:29.848 --> 03:00:32.210 that's what's right for us. 03:00:32.210 --> 03:00:33.760 And in addition to all the 03:00:33.760 --> 03:00:36.110 thousands upon thousands of other people 03:00:36.110 --> 03:00:38.520 in the exact same situation as me, 03:00:38.520 --> 03:00:41.150 this whole proposal, Net Metering 3, 03:00:41.150 --> 03:00:43.220 completely contradicts everything 03:00:43.220 --> 03:00:45.513 the state of California is incentivized. 03:00:46.660 --> 03:00:48.750 There's zero justification for it. 03:00:48.750 --> 03:00:50.870 I mean, I think it's extremely obvious 03:00:50.870 --> 03:00:55.426 that there's no good will or rational justification for it. 03:00:55.426 --> 03:00:59.340 It's obviously a massive greed and power grab, 03:00:59.340 --> 03:01:02.560 which only corruption and greed could possibly explain. 03:01:02.560 --> 03:01:05.310 So it doesn't even seem to make sense 03:01:05.310 --> 03:01:08.180 that we've come this far to have to have this conversation. 03:01:08.180 --> 03:01:11.361 But nonetheless, I think- (bell dinging) 03:01:11.361 --> 03:01:12.194 Thank you. 03:01:12.194 --> 03:01:13.270 Thank you very much. 03:01:13.270 --> 03:01:14.770 Operator, next caller, please. 03:01:19.090 --> 03:01:21.520 Our next caller is Serena Sarah. 03:01:21.520 --> 03:01:22.653 You may go ahead. 03:01:24.060 --> 03:01:25.110 Thank you. 03:01:25.110 --> 03:01:27.300 Thank you, CPUC and amazing callers. 03:01:27.300 --> 03:01:28.850 Like many Bay Area imports, 03:01:28.850 --> 03:01:30.980 we'll ship our green dream out of California, 03:01:30.980 --> 03:01:34.360 if Governor Newsom and CPUC taxes all the user, 03:01:34.360 --> 03:01:36.270 and so impedes the rights of middle 03:01:36.270 --> 03:01:38.450 and lower income classes to breathe clean, 03:01:38.450 --> 03:01:40.930 and live healthy green. 03:01:40.930 --> 03:01:43.470 We are Newsom voters, progressive, ethnically diverse, 03:01:43.470 --> 03:01:45.660 high tax paying, US naturalized, 03:01:45.660 --> 03:01:49.550 award-winning energy saving expertise, immigrant family. 03:01:49.550 --> 03:01:52.600 My sister in the UK is a founding member of Rising Up. 03:01:52.600 --> 03:01:54.300 Later, became Extinction Rebellion. 03:01:54.300 --> 03:01:56.480 She's been present to many of these courses. 03:01:56.480 --> 03:01:58.420 We'll have to sell out on our investments, 03:01:58.420 --> 03:02:00.962 our much loved solar energy home in the Hills. 03:02:00.962 --> 03:02:02.720 We just got solar. 03:02:02.720 --> 03:02:06.330 We'll ship out our on our green dream, just as Newsom is, 03:02:06.330 --> 03:02:10.200 and move away from California, 03:02:10.200 --> 03:02:13.160 and taking our electrical vehicles with us. 03:02:13.160 --> 03:02:17.050 We call on Governor Newsom to honor his voting promise 03:02:17.050 --> 03:02:19.560 for keeping net metering as it was. 03:02:19.560 --> 03:02:23.400 No M3, which is just a PG&E profit only. 03:02:23.400 --> 03:02:25.010 And no solar tax. 03:02:25.010 --> 03:02:28.880 Or face the consequences of November the eighth, 2022. 03:02:28.880 --> 03:02:29.713 Thank you. 03:02:31.040 --> 03:02:31.873 Thank you. 03:02:31.873 --> 03:02:33.790 Operator, next caller, please. 03:02:35.040 --> 03:02:36.850 Our next caller is Daniel Ames. 03:02:36.850 --> 03:02:37.700 You may go ahead. 03:02:39.132 --> 03:02:40.460 Thank you. 03:02:40.460 --> 03:02:41.900 Several decades ago, 03:02:41.900 --> 03:02:43.530 former California Governor, Jerry Brown, 03:02:43.530 --> 03:02:46.603 continued the legislative push for renewable solar energy, 03:02:46.603 --> 03:02:49.010 a very worthy and worthwhile goal, 03:02:49.010 --> 03:02:52.800 but this, unfortunately, came at a hidden cost at the CPUC, 03:02:52.800 --> 03:02:56.210 not keeping technically competent, long-term, 03:02:56.210 --> 03:02:59.112 knowledgeable regulators on the CPUC staff prioritized 03:02:59.112 --> 03:03:02.290 to ensure our utilities kept the grid 03:03:02.290 --> 03:03:04.440 well maintained and safe. 03:03:04.440 --> 03:03:07.180 The recent loss of life, property, and ensuing lawsuits, 03:03:07.180 --> 03:03:08.900 25 billion in known settlements, 03:03:08.900 --> 03:03:11.940 has motivated these corporate controlled power companies 03:03:11.940 --> 03:03:14.430 to have the extraordinarily powerful CPUC 03:03:14.430 --> 03:03:17.770 shift the cost to ratepayers with on-grid solar. 03:03:17.770 --> 03:03:19.433 Unfortunately, California wildfires have done 03:03:19.433 --> 03:03:22.233 emitted more carbon than offset by solar energy, 03:03:22.233 --> 03:03:23.830 because these utilities 03:03:23.830 --> 03:03:27.250 and the CPUC did not do their job competently. 03:03:27.250 --> 03:03:30.030 The NEM 3.0 proposal will shift the cost 03:03:30.030 --> 03:03:31.480 to those who went solar. 03:03:31.480 --> 03:03:32.435 This is not fair. 03:03:32.435 --> 03:03:34.380 We need a better solution. 03:03:34.380 --> 03:03:35.270 We'll be watching. 03:03:35.270 --> 03:03:36.950 Please stay on the right side, 03:03:36.950 --> 03:03:38.730 or be on the right side of history. 03:03:38.730 --> 03:03:40.280 Don't make me consider disconnecting 03:03:40.280 --> 03:03:42.260 my 16-year-old solar system. 03:03:42.260 --> 03:03:43.703 Thank you, Daniel Ames. 03:03:44.840 --> 03:03:45.673 Thank you. 03:03:45.673 --> 03:03:47.163 Operator, next caller, please. 03:03:48.980 --> 03:03:51.380 Our next caller is Luis Portillo. 03:03:51.380 --> 03:03:52.230 You may go ahead. 03:03:57.570 --> 03:03:58.403 Good afternoon. 03:03:58.403 --> 03:03:59.236 My name's Luis Portillo. 03:03:59.236 --> 03:04:00.069 I'm the president 03:04:00.069 --> 03:04:02.530 and CEO of the San Gabriel Valley Economic Partnership. 03:04:02.530 --> 03:04:05.060 I wanna express our appreciation to the Commission 03:04:05.060 --> 03:04:05.940 for the proposed station, 03:04:05.940 --> 03:04:09.090 which begins to address the cost shift that exists. 03:04:09.090 --> 03:04:10.540 But we are concerned that the proposed station 03:04:10.540 --> 03:04:12.710 doesn't remove the cost shift entirely. 03:04:12.710 --> 03:04:15.890 The current rooftop solar structure is inequitable, 03:04:15.890 --> 03:04:17.930 and places unnecessary burdens 03:04:17.930 --> 03:04:19.530 on those that can least support it. 03:04:19.530 --> 03:04:21.740 Without meaningful reforms of non-solar, 03:04:21.740 --> 03:04:23.680 small businesses and residents will continue to pay 03:04:23.680 --> 03:04:26.850 higher electricity bills to subsidize solar customers. 03:04:26.850 --> 03:04:28.250 Rooftop solar is an important part 03:04:28.250 --> 03:04:30.080 of the state's clean energy portfolio, 03:04:30.080 --> 03:04:33.570 but it should not be achieved on the backs of low income 03:04:33.570 --> 03:04:35.260 and middle income Californians. 03:04:35.260 --> 03:04:38.070 We urge the Commission to approve the proposed decision. 03:04:38.070 --> 03:04:38.903 Thank you. 03:04:39.900 --> 03:04:41.460 Thank you. 03:04:41.460 --> 03:04:43.260 Operator, next caller, please. 03:04:45.960 --> 03:04:48.323 Our next caller is Nick Batacosian. 03:04:48.323 --> 03:04:49.423 You may go ahead. 03:04:50.900 --> 03:04:52.360 Hello, Commissioners. 03:04:52.360 --> 03:04:53.800 Thank you for taking our comments. 03:04:53.800 --> 03:04:55.290 My name is Nick Batacosian, 03:04:55.290 --> 03:04:56.420 and I'm an electrical engineer 03:04:56.420 --> 03:04:58.580 and contractor based in Los Angeles. 03:04:58.580 --> 03:05:01.080 I've been in the solar industry for 11 years, 03:05:01.080 --> 03:05:02.780 and I'm proud to be part of this industry 03:05:02.780 --> 03:05:05.093 that does so much good on a daily basis. 03:05:06.150 --> 03:05:07.760 Unfortunately, this proposal will be 03:05:07.760 --> 03:05:09.490 devastating to our industry, 03:05:09.490 --> 03:05:11.300 but it will be even worse for consumers, 03:05:11.300 --> 03:05:14.130 and I wanna take a moment to advocate on their behalf. 03:05:14.130 --> 03:05:15.240 Over the past decade, 03:05:15.240 --> 03:05:17.730 the dream of solar ownership has become reality for people 03:05:17.730 --> 03:05:20.280 of all socioeconomic backgrounds. 03:05:20.280 --> 03:05:21.300 This is now under attack. 03:05:21.300 --> 03:05:24.260 So I urge you to reject not only this proposal, 03:05:24.260 --> 03:05:26.440 but also the spirit behind this proposal, 03:05:26.440 --> 03:05:29.920 which is against competition, and against consumer choice. 03:05:29.920 --> 03:05:32.890 I urge you, as Senator Feinstein did in her letter, 03:05:32.890 --> 03:05:34.380 to be on the right side of history 03:05:34.380 --> 03:05:35.970 when we look back on this moment, 03:05:35.970 --> 03:05:38.020 and enact policies that will encourage 03:05:38.020 --> 03:05:39.470 the growth of rooftop solar. 03:05:39.470 --> 03:05:40.303 Thank you. 03:05:41.340 --> 03:05:42.310 Thank you. 03:05:42.310 --> 03:05:43.810 Operator, next caller, please. 03:05:45.980 --> 03:05:47.740 Our next caller is Leslie Gaynor. 03:05:47.740 --> 03:05:48.590 You may go ahead. 03:05:49.920 --> 03:05:51.030 Thank you. 03:05:51.030 --> 03:05:52.340 My name is Leslie Gaynor. 03:05:52.340 --> 03:05:55.190 I'm the Vice President of Sales and Marketing at Clean Solar 03:05:55.190 --> 03:05:56.280 in San Jose. 03:05:56.280 --> 03:05:58.850 I've lived in California my entire life. 03:05:58.850 --> 03:06:01.757 I've been working in the solar space for over 10 years now, 03:06:01.757 --> 03:06:03.510 and I manage and coach our inside 03:06:03.510 --> 03:06:06.940 and outside sales teams who create the opportunity every day 03:06:06.940 --> 03:06:09.930 for our customers to make the world literally 03:06:09.930 --> 03:06:12.340 a better place than it was before. 03:06:12.340 --> 03:06:17.290 All of our over 50 employees at Clean Solar receive a W2, 03:06:17.290 --> 03:06:20.777 health benefits, and access to 401K. 03:06:20.777 --> 03:06:23.490 NEM in California has also helped the solar industry 03:06:23.490 --> 03:06:26.410 grow to meet our state's climate goals. 03:06:26.410 --> 03:06:28.470 The current NEM3 proposed decision 03:06:28.470 --> 03:06:30.080 would punish solar customers, 03:06:30.080 --> 03:06:32.290 and devastate our industry. 03:06:32.290 --> 03:06:35.130 As proposed, this is a disaster. 03:06:35.130 --> 03:06:37.350 I respectfully request that you reject 03:06:37.350 --> 03:06:40.470 the current NEM3 proposal decision as written. 03:06:40.470 --> 03:06:41.303 Thank you. 03:06:42.210 --> 03:06:43.043 Thank you. 03:06:43.043 --> 03:06:44.473 Operator, next caller, please. 03:06:46.400 --> 03:06:48.320 Our next caller is Kay Bonnie. 03:06:48.320 --> 03:06:49.170 You may go ahead. 03:07:01.957 --> 03:07:04.230 And it looks like Kay has disconnected. 03:07:04.230 --> 03:07:07.230 Our next caller is Joanie Eisen. 03:07:07.230 --> 03:07:08.600 You may go ahead. 03:07:08.600 --> 03:07:10.110 Good morning, Commissioners. 03:07:10.110 --> 03:07:12.240 Please fix this proposal. 03:07:12.240 --> 03:07:13.820 Surely you can find a solution 03:07:13.820 --> 03:07:15.120 that doesn't penalize people 03:07:15.120 --> 03:07:16.870 for doing what they thought, and still think, 03:07:16.870 --> 03:07:18.810 was the right thing? 03:07:18.810 --> 03:07:21.110 20 years ago, my husband and I had solar panels 03:07:21.110 --> 03:07:23.750 put on the roof of our house in San Francisco, 03:07:23.750 --> 03:07:25.310 a separate system for each floor, 03:07:25.310 --> 03:07:27.300 because each floor has a different address, 03:07:27.300 --> 03:07:29.480 and therefore, a different PG&E account. 03:07:29.480 --> 03:07:31.660 So we got solar panels for our tenant 03:07:31.660 --> 03:07:32.920 in the first floor flat 03:07:32.920 --> 03:07:35.370 for the same reason we got panels for us, 03:07:35.370 --> 03:07:37.600 to do something positive for the environment 03:07:37.600 --> 03:07:39.860 by producing clean energy from the sun, 03:07:39.860 --> 03:07:42.690 and to save everyone some money in the process. 03:07:42.690 --> 03:07:43.906 We are not rich, 03:07:43.906 --> 03:07:46.310 but imagine how our tenant will feel 03:07:46.310 --> 03:07:47.810 if you enact this proposal, 03:07:47.810 --> 03:07:52.310 and suddenly add a large monthly fee to his electric bill. 03:07:52.310 --> 03:07:53.830 The tenant would get punished 03:07:53.830 --> 03:07:56.580 because his landlord provided him with solar panels, 03:07:56.580 --> 03:07:59.240 because we thought it was the right thing to do. 03:07:59.240 --> 03:08:01.330 Does that sound fair to you? 03:08:01.330 --> 03:08:02.530 Thank you for listening. 03:08:03.630 --> 03:08:04.463 Thank you. 03:08:04.463 --> 03:08:06.033 Operator, next caller, please. 03:08:08.330 --> 03:08:10.360 Our next caller is Taylor Turnbull. 03:08:10.360 --> 03:08:11.210 You may go ahead. 03:08:15.280 --> 03:08:17.280 Hello, can you hear me? 03:08:17.280 --> 03:08:18.640 Yes, we can. 03:08:18.640 --> 03:08:19.790 Hi, my name's Taylor Turnbull. 03:08:19.790 --> 03:08:22.950 I work for Sunrun, and live in Encinitas. 03:08:22.950 --> 03:08:23.783 Seven years ago, 03:08:23.783 --> 03:08:26.830 I moved from Utah to California with my wife, Missy, 03:08:26.830 --> 03:08:28.720 and our five young children. 03:08:28.720 --> 03:08:30.930 We moved here for the opportunity to work 03:08:30.930 --> 03:08:32.950 in the best solar state, 03:08:32.950 --> 03:08:35.380 because Rocky Mountain Power had implemented 03:08:35.380 --> 03:08:39.380 a similar tariff to what the CPUC is now proposing, 03:08:39.380 --> 03:08:43.090 and it ended solar in the state of Utah. 03:08:43.090 --> 03:08:46.930 I manage an organization of over 1500 people 03:08:46.930 --> 03:08:49.010 here in Southern California, 03:08:49.010 --> 03:08:52.890 many of whom have also relocated from out of state 03:08:52.890 --> 03:08:55.870 for the opportunity to work in this industry. 03:08:55.870 --> 03:08:57.870 I speak for all of us when I say, 03:08:57.870 --> 03:09:02.640 the proposed NEM 3.0 decision would kill our jobs, 03:09:02.640 --> 03:09:05.940 and force many of us to move to other states 03:09:05.940 --> 03:09:07.790 for different opportunities. 03:09:07.790 --> 03:09:11.470 It's the CPUC's responsibility to represent the public. 03:09:11.470 --> 03:09:14.840 The public is speaking, and you must reject this. 03:09:14.840 --> 03:09:15.673 Thank you. 03:09:16.580 --> 03:09:17.413 Thank you. 03:09:17.413 --> 03:09:19.053 Operator, next caller, please. 03:09:22.173 --> 03:09:23.830 Our next caller is Jim Adams. 03:09:23.830 --> 03:09:24.680 You may go ahead. 03:09:27.200 --> 03:09:28.690 Yes, my name is Jim Adams, 03:09:28.690 --> 03:09:30.880 and I live in Bakersfield. 03:09:30.880 --> 03:09:33.200 I am strongly opposed to the recent proposal 03:09:33.200 --> 03:09:36.400 for Net Energy Metering 3.0. 03:09:36.400 --> 03:09:38.030 The proposal is punitive 03:09:38.030 --> 03:09:41.630 for all existing residential solar systems, 03:09:41.630 --> 03:09:44.300 and for all future are new systems. 03:09:44.300 --> 03:09:46.457 Particular troubling is the reduction 03:09:46.457 --> 03:09:50.740 of the grandfathering provision from 20 to 15 years, 03:09:50.740 --> 03:09:54.280 and a solar tax based on a system size. 03:09:54.280 --> 03:09:57.480 I urge the PUC to come up with a new proposal 03:09:57.480 --> 03:10:00.960 that will increase electrical generation from solar 03:10:00.960 --> 03:10:03.590 that is fair to all stakeholders. 03:10:03.590 --> 03:10:06.390 We must work together to provide California 03:10:06.390 --> 03:10:08.430 with clean, affordable power. 03:10:08.430 --> 03:10:09.263 Thank you. 03:10:10.510 --> 03:10:11.460 Thank you. 03:10:11.460 --> 03:10:13.160 Operator, our next caller, please. 03:10:15.187 --> 03:10:19.780 Our next caller is Marshall Weisman. 03:10:19.780 --> 03:10:20.630 You may go ahead. 03:10:23.690 --> 03:10:25.410 Yeah, 10 years ago, 03:10:25.410 --> 03:10:28.020 I was staring at an outrageous electric bill, 03:10:28.020 --> 03:10:30.810 and I was concerned about my climate change 03:10:30.810 --> 03:10:33.090 and reducing my carbon footprint. 03:10:33.090 --> 03:10:34.910 The best way I could solve that problem 03:10:34.910 --> 03:10:37.913 was by putting rooftop solar on my roof. 03:10:38.900 --> 03:10:41.860 In Virginia, the cost for electricity right now 03:10:41.860 --> 03:10:44.010 is 12 cents a kilowatt. 03:10:44.010 --> 03:10:45.860 I'm currently paying in San Diego, 03:10:45.860 --> 03:10:48.760 36 to 49 cents a kilowatt, 03:10:48.760 --> 03:10:51.450 four times what it costs in other states. 03:10:51.450 --> 03:10:52.970 The Commission needs to stop 03:10:52.970 --> 03:10:55.510 the out of control utility money grab, 03:10:55.510 --> 03:10:57.750 drop the tiered rate structure, 03:10:57.750 --> 03:11:00.080 and encourage solar roof panels. 03:11:00.080 --> 03:11:01.870 No one should pay a penalty 03:11:01.870 --> 03:11:04.173 for putting solar panels on their roof. 03:11:05.170 --> 03:11:06.680 Thank you. 03:11:06.680 --> 03:11:07.640 Thank you. 03:11:07.640 --> 03:11:09.323 Operator, next caller, please. 03:11:11.570 --> 03:11:15.322 Our next caller is Robert Levering. 03:11:15.322 --> 03:11:16.323 You may go ahead. 03:11:17.550 --> 03:11:20.010 Yes, my name is Robert Levering. 03:11:20.010 --> 03:11:22.960 I live in Ben Lomond, which is in the Santa Cruz Mountains. 03:11:24.030 --> 03:11:26.420 We're very conscious of climate change here, 03:11:26.420 --> 03:11:30.053 as we were evacuated two years ago because of the wildfire. 03:11:31.020 --> 03:11:32.920 We put solar panels on our house 03:11:32.920 --> 03:11:35.573 to do our part to fight global warming. 03:11:36.470 --> 03:11:38.310 I'm calling because I'm very upset 03:11:38.310 --> 03:11:42.830 that the PUC is even considering levying a solar tax. 03:11:42.830 --> 03:11:44.780 I can't believe that Governor Newsome 03:11:44.780 --> 03:11:47.000 would go along with PG&E, 03:11:47.000 --> 03:11:49.760 rather than with those of us who've made sacrifices 03:11:49.760 --> 03:11:51.970 to do something for the environment. 03:11:51.970 --> 03:11:54.330 Please, PUC members and Governor Newsom, 03:11:54.330 --> 03:11:57.290 make it easier, rather than harder, 03:11:57.290 --> 03:11:58.813 for people to go solar. 03:12:02.060 --> 03:12:02.893 Thank you. 03:12:02.893 --> 03:12:04.690 Operator, next caller, please. 03:12:06.440 --> 03:12:08.840 Our next caller is Ben Montclair. 03:12:08.840 --> 03:12:09.690 You may go ahead. 03:12:12.140 --> 03:12:14.350 Hello, my name is Ben Montclair. 03:12:14.350 --> 03:12:17.323 I'm giving you a call from Richmond, California. 03:12:18.180 --> 03:12:20.403 I've been in the solar industry 14 years. 03:12:21.290 --> 03:12:26.290 Today, 100% of the speakers have come out against this PD. 03:12:27.100 --> 03:12:28.745 We've heard from people 03:12:28.745 --> 03:12:31.010 who are fighting for their livelihoods, 03:12:31.010 --> 03:12:33.820 and those of tens of thousands of families 03:12:35.200 --> 03:12:38.343 who rely on solar policy to put food on the table. 03:12:40.020 --> 03:12:43.320 I joined these hundreds of direct stakeholders 03:12:43.320 --> 03:12:46.980 in calling for you to reject this proposed decision. 03:12:46.980 --> 03:12:48.380 Good net metering policy 03:12:48.380 --> 03:12:50.920 would create fairness for individuals 03:12:50.920 --> 03:12:53.740 and companies who wish to invest in solar 03:12:53.740 --> 03:12:57.690 at their properties, and would protect the integrity 03:12:57.690 --> 03:12:59.490 of an increasingly distributed grid. 03:12:59.490 --> 03:13:03.780 The Hub-and-Spoke energy infrastructure model 03:13:03.780 --> 03:13:07.063 is vulnerable by design, and we see that every fire season. 03:13:09.220 --> 03:13:13.570 A distributed system is a pathway to a greater, 03:13:13.570 --> 03:13:15.323 to greater energy security. 03:13:17.530 --> 03:13:20.100 This PD would break the market, 03:13:20.100 --> 03:13:21.330 and would undermine California's 03:13:21.330 --> 03:13:22.597 global leadership in equity Thank you very much. 03:13:22.597 --> 03:13:24.140 and environment. Thank you for your comment. 03:13:24.140 --> 03:13:25.083 Thank you for the 03:13:25.083 --> 03:13:26.189 opportunity to speak. Operator, 03:13:26.189 --> 03:13:27.183 the next caller, please. 03:13:29.820 --> 03:13:32.590 Our next caller is Sam Gopinathan. 03:13:32.590 --> 03:13:33.440 You may go ahead. 03:13:35.180 --> 03:13:36.013 Thank you. 03:13:36.013 --> 03:13:37.400 Can you hear me? 03:13:37.400 --> 03:13:39.502 Yes, we can. 03:13:39.502 --> 03:13:40.713 Thank you. 03:13:40.713 --> 03:13:43.973 I was looking at the mission statement for CPUC. 03:13:44.925 --> 03:13:48.110 It says, "CPUC serves public interest 03:13:48.110 --> 03:13:50.287 by protecting consumers". 03:13:51.268 --> 03:13:55.300 NEM 3.0 is not protecting the consumers. 03:13:55.300 --> 03:13:57.523 It is protecting the utility companies. 03:13:59.240 --> 03:14:02.540 And ensuring the probation of safe, 03:14:02.540 --> 03:14:05.200 reliability utility services, 03:14:05.200 --> 03:14:07.663 and infrastructure at a reasonable rate. 03:14:09.320 --> 03:14:13.160 This proposal increases rate for the consumers. 03:14:13.160 --> 03:14:14.900 So it's not reasonable. 03:14:14.900 --> 03:14:18.680 With a commitment to environmental enhancement 03:14:18.680 --> 03:14:20.980 and healthy California economy, 03:14:22.158 --> 03:14:26.733 NEM 3.0 will result in a lot of job losses. 03:14:27.700 --> 03:14:28.980 I'm a homeowner. 03:14:28.980 --> 03:14:32.420 I'm not representing the solar industry. 03:14:32.420 --> 03:14:35.350 I'm a homeowner who put the initiative 03:14:35.350 --> 03:14:38.910 of putting solar on my rooftop 03:14:38.910 --> 03:14:42.439 as the right thing to do to protect the environment 03:14:42.439 --> 03:14:44.450 (bell dinging) for clean energy- 03:14:44.450 --> 03:14:46.520 Thank You. Thank you very much. 03:14:46.520 --> 03:14:48.263 Operator, next caller, please. 03:14:52.485 --> 03:14:55.320 And our next caller is Danett Abbott-Wicker. 03:14:55.320 --> 03:14:56.170 You may go ahead. 03:14:57.320 --> 03:14:58.656 Hi, thank you so much. 03:14:58.656 --> 03:15:00.140 Can you hear me? 03:15:00.140 --> 03:15:00.973 Yes, we can. 03:15:00.973 --> 03:15:01.860 Please proceed. 03:15:02.919 --> 03:15:04.170 Danett Abbott-Wicker. 03:15:04.170 --> 03:15:06.840 I'm in the City of Orange. 03:15:06.840 --> 03:15:09.150 I oppose the proposed decision, 03:15:09.150 --> 03:15:10.980 and the only way to fix it 03:15:10.980 --> 03:15:13.890 is no solar tax of any kind, 03:15:13.890 --> 03:15:16.227 ensure that solar becomes more affordable for working 03:15:16.227 --> 03:15:19.240 and middle class households, not less, 03:15:19.240 --> 03:15:22.423 honor the existing 20 year protection for solar users. 03:15:23.670 --> 03:15:26.660 Consumers should be able to control their energy bills. 03:15:26.660 --> 03:15:29.790 We're getting socked with endless rate hikes. 03:15:29.790 --> 03:15:32.990 Consumers should be able to control their energy bills, 03:15:32.990 --> 03:15:34.370 and not be penalized for it, 03:15:34.370 --> 03:15:37.300 especially if we are expected to switch 03:15:37.300 --> 03:15:40.140 to electric cars and appliances. 03:15:40.140 --> 03:15:41.780 Thank you. 03:15:41.780 --> 03:15:42.710 Thank you. 03:15:42.710 --> 03:15:44.393 Operator, next caller, please. 03:15:47.360 --> 03:15:49.230 Our next caller is Kimberly Calvert. 03:15:49.230 --> 03:15:50.080 You may go ahead. 03:15:51.780 --> 03:15:54.170 Hi, thank you for taking my call. 03:15:54.170 --> 03:15:55.957 I'm a proud resident of California, 03:15:55.957 --> 03:15:57.640 and my heart is breaking 03:15:57.640 --> 03:15:59.980 listening to all of these hardworking people 03:15:59.980 --> 03:16:01.620 who would be losing their livelihoods 03:16:01.620 --> 03:16:03.910 with the passing of NEM3. 03:16:03.910 --> 03:16:05.330 I don't understand how this proposal 03:16:05.330 --> 03:16:07.180 is even up for consideration. 03:16:07.180 --> 03:16:09.527 It will clearly be handcuffing consumers 03:16:09.527 --> 03:16:13.240 so that monopolistic utility companies can make more money 03:16:13.240 --> 03:16:14.713 from the burning of fossil fuels. 03:16:14.713 --> 03:16:17.460 The only way we will ever get close 03:16:17.460 --> 03:16:19.580 to reversing our global carbon footprint 03:16:19.580 --> 03:16:23.520 is by encouraging citizens to put solar on their rooftops. 03:16:23.520 --> 03:16:25.710 If you take that away through this proposal, 03:16:25.710 --> 03:16:28.270 we'll be taking a huge step backward. 03:16:28.270 --> 03:16:30.540 California has always been a leader 03:16:30.540 --> 03:16:31.960 on all things environment. 03:16:31.960 --> 03:16:33.360 If we pass NEM3, 03:16:33.360 --> 03:16:35.410 we will be sending a message to the rest of the world 03:16:35.410 --> 03:16:37.910 that it's okay not to make green energy a priority, 03:16:37.910 --> 03:16:41.000 and to continue using fossil fuels for energy. 03:16:41.000 --> 03:16:42.380 It most certainly will create 03:16:42.380 --> 03:16:44.750 a massive domino effect around the globe. 03:16:44.750 --> 03:16:46.630 Do you want that on your conscience? 03:16:46.630 --> 03:16:48.480 Every single action we take, 03:16:48.480 --> 03:16:50.270 every single proposal we pass, 03:16:50.270 --> 03:16:51.650 needs to be moving in a direction 03:16:51.650 --> 03:16:54.850 towards more renewable energy, not less. 03:16:54.850 --> 03:16:56.350 I am begging you as a parent, 03:16:56.350 --> 03:16:57.950 and as a citizen of our planet, 03:16:57.950 --> 03:16:59.370 not to pass NEM3. 03:16:59.370 --> 03:17:00.960 Thank you. 03:17:00.960 --> 03:17:01.920 Thank you. 03:17:01.920 --> 03:17:03.620 Operator, our next caller, please. 03:17:05.570 --> 03:17:07.750 Our next caller is Judith Small. 03:17:07.750 --> 03:17:08.883 You may go ahead. 03:17:09.893 --> 03:17:11.170 This is Judith Small. 03:17:11.170 --> 03:17:12.003 I live in Berkeley, 03:17:12.003 --> 03:17:15.000 and I have four little granddaughters close by. 03:17:15.000 --> 03:17:16.510 Pretty soon, my oldest granddaughter 03:17:16.510 --> 03:17:19.040 will start understanding about climate change. 03:17:19.040 --> 03:17:20.610 She's going to ask questions like, 03:17:20.610 --> 03:17:24.070 what are we going to do to stop this, Granny J? 03:17:24.070 --> 03:17:24.903 I wanna tell her, 03:17:24.903 --> 03:17:27.840 that the panels on my roof are part of the solution, 03:17:27.840 --> 03:17:31.020 that more and more Californians can now have solar panels, 03:17:31.020 --> 03:17:32.890 that the sun belongs to everyone, 03:17:32.890 --> 03:17:36.030 and that everyone can afford to help cool our Earth. 03:17:36.030 --> 03:17:38.880 But if this proposal stands, I can't say that. 03:17:38.880 --> 03:17:41.780 That's why it's essential to reject this proposed tax, 03:17:41.780 --> 03:17:44.670 to keep solar affordable for all Californians, 03:17:44.670 --> 03:17:46.660 their children, and their grandchildren. 03:17:46.660 --> 03:17:47.493 Thank you. 03:17:48.390 --> 03:17:49.380 Thank you. 03:17:49.380 --> 03:17:50.933 Operator, next caller, please. 03:17:52.790 --> 03:17:54.540 Our next caller is Deborah Harrington. 03:17:54.540 --> 03:17:55.390 You may go ahead. 03:17:57.800 --> 03:17:59.010 Thank you. 03:17:59.010 --> 03:18:02.410 I would like to express my opposition 03:18:02.410 --> 03:18:04.440 to the proposal before you, 03:18:04.440 --> 03:18:07.723 that will financially affect all homeowners in California. 03:18:09.510 --> 03:18:10.930 All these homeowners have taken 03:18:10.930 --> 03:18:12.610 the financial responsibilities 03:18:12.610 --> 03:18:15.120 to install solar to their homes 03:18:15.120 --> 03:18:18.261 to provide a direct benefit to the electrical companies, 03:18:18.261 --> 03:18:21.180 and reducing the impact on the grid. 03:18:21.180 --> 03:18:22.460 Without these homeowners, 03:18:22.460 --> 03:18:26.440 the state would be in a constant state of rolling blackouts. 03:18:26.440 --> 03:18:29.570 We are the ones you should be supporting, 03:18:29.570 --> 03:18:32.610 and not financially punishing. 03:18:32.610 --> 03:18:37.610 The electrical companies want our generated electricity. 03:18:38.260 --> 03:18:39.093 At the same time, 03:18:39.093 --> 03:18:42.110 they want to charge us providing that energy. 03:18:42.110 --> 03:18:46.350 I see myself as an energy provider to SDG&E, 03:18:46.350 --> 03:18:49.750 and where would an energy provider agree to be charged 03:18:49.750 --> 03:18:51.540 for providing a service? 03:18:51.540 --> 03:18:54.230 This is nothing more than backstabbing homeowners. 03:18:54.230 --> 03:18:55.990 Unacceptable! 03:18:55.990 --> 03:18:57.780 Where is the initiative in the future 03:18:57.780 --> 03:19:00.120 for homeowners to participate? 03:19:00.120 --> 03:19:02.540 You need homeowners and should be doing 03:19:02.540 --> 03:19:06.220 whatever it takes to- (bell dinging) 03:19:06.220 --> 03:19:07.053 Thank you. 03:19:07.053 --> 03:19:07.886 Thank you very much. 03:19:07.886 --> 03:19:09.131 Operator, next caller, please. 03:19:09.131 --> 03:19:14.020 Our next caller is Christopher Young. 03:19:14.020 --> 03:19:14.870 You may go ahead. 03:19:18.340 --> 03:19:19.173 Good afternoon. 03:19:19.173 --> 03:19:20.730 My name is Christopher Young. 03:19:20.730 --> 03:19:24.070 I'm calling from Ojai, California, Ventura County, 03:19:24.070 --> 03:19:26.150 and I am the chair of the 03:19:26.150 --> 03:19:28.463 Climate Reality Project of Ventura County. 03:19:29.303 --> 03:19:32.730 I'm the primary organizer of Fridays for Future of Ojai. 03:19:32.730 --> 03:19:35.420 I'm a member of the Ventura Climate Coalition. 03:19:35.420 --> 03:19:37.920 I very much appreciate you listening to all of us. 03:19:39.050 --> 03:19:41.310 And what inspiring, rational, 03:19:41.310 --> 03:19:46.020 and informed comments from callers thus far. 03:19:46.020 --> 03:19:48.880 I certainly oppose the current decision. 03:19:48.880 --> 03:19:52.890 I support no solar tax of any kind, 03:19:52.890 --> 03:19:55.040 ensuring solar becomes affordable, 03:19:55.040 --> 03:19:56.910 more affordable, not less. 03:19:56.910 --> 03:19:57.743 And of course, 03:19:57.743 --> 03:20:01.690 honoring the 20 year existing protection for solar users. 03:20:01.690 --> 03:20:04.240 While your deliberation obviously 03:20:05.340 --> 03:20:06.870 centers on California policy, 03:20:06.870 --> 03:20:09.420 I trust that you see it as more than that, 03:20:09.420 --> 03:20:11.970 given that your decision will influence 03:20:11.970 --> 03:20:15.250 our collective ability to address climate change, 03:20:15.250 --> 03:20:17.243 and to protect life on Earth. 03:20:18.330 --> 03:20:21.200 It's obvious that rooftop solar supports grid resilience, 03:20:21.200 --> 03:20:22.600 reduces our carbon footprint, 03:20:22.600 --> 03:20:24.670 and mitigates some of the damage 03:20:24.670 --> 03:20:27.670 caused by private utility monopolies. 03:20:27.670 --> 03:20:28.503 (bell dinging) At this time- 03:20:28.503 --> 03:20:30.460 Thank you. Thank you very much. 03:20:30.460 --> 03:20:31.293 Thank you. 03:20:31.293 --> 03:20:32.463 Operator, next caller. 03:20:34.940 --> 03:20:37.440 Our next caller is Kirk Bueller. 03:20:37.440 --> 03:20:38.290 You may go ahead. 03:20:40.460 --> 03:20:42.980 Hi, my name's Kirk Mueller with Action Energy 03:20:42.980 --> 03:20:44.763 here in Santa Barbara, California. 03:20:45.880 --> 03:20:48.220 I'm just gonna echo the sentiment of everyone. 03:20:48.220 --> 03:20:51.780 It's quite evident that the current NEM3 proposal 03:20:51.780 --> 03:20:52.990 is absolute garbage. 03:20:52.990 --> 03:20:55.690 I'm surprised it got to this point where we're at now. 03:20:56.950 --> 03:20:59.050 With NEM3 going through as proposed, 03:20:59.050 --> 03:21:00.660 many people will lose their jobs. 03:21:00.660 --> 03:21:03.380 Many homeowners will be left with a solar system 03:21:03.380 --> 03:21:05.410 that's not doing what it's promised to do. 03:21:05.410 --> 03:21:09.230 And I trust that the CPUC will act 03:21:09.230 --> 03:21:12.810 in the best interests of California, 03:21:12.810 --> 03:21:14.740 and work together with solar 03:21:14.740 --> 03:21:19.740 and the utility companies to revise NEM3. 03:21:20.050 --> 03:21:21.550 Thank you. 03:21:21.550 --> 03:21:22.390 Thank you. 03:21:22.390 --> 03:21:24.090 Operator, our next caller, please. 03:21:27.900 --> 03:21:30.580 Our next caller is Nate Knott. 03:21:30.580 --> 03:21:32.100 You may go ahead. 03:21:32.100 --> 03:21:34.880 Yes, thank you for this opportunity to speak. 03:21:34.880 --> 03:21:37.620 Nate Knott in Stockton, California, 03:21:37.620 --> 03:21:41.610 also representing the CEEE organization. 03:21:41.610 --> 03:21:45.270 I urgently ask you to reject this proposal 03:21:45.270 --> 03:21:47.100 for several reasons. 03:21:47.100 --> 03:21:51.100 Increasing NEM charges will reduce 03:21:51.100 --> 03:21:53.140 or almost eliminate installation. 03:21:53.140 --> 03:21:56.320 My installation of my panels was done by local people, 03:21:56.320 --> 03:21:58.260 who were people of color, 03:21:58.260 --> 03:22:00.570 and it was great employment for them. 03:22:00.570 --> 03:22:02.790 It was done with made in USA material, 03:22:02.790 --> 03:22:04.180 something I haven't heard today. 03:22:04.180 --> 03:22:06.640 If we have more expensive or less solar, 03:22:06.640 --> 03:22:07.860 we're gonna wind up having 03:22:07.860 --> 03:22:10.690 made in China panels and materials, 03:22:10.690 --> 03:22:12.540 because they might be cheaper. 03:22:12.540 --> 03:22:14.330 Whereas, we keep the current incentives, 03:22:14.330 --> 03:22:17.313 we can stay with American-made products and American labor. 03:22:18.660 --> 03:22:20.070 If you put more power 03:22:20.070 --> 03:22:22.690 on the PG&E strain by reducing solar, 03:22:22.690 --> 03:22:25.030 then PG&E's going to come back later 03:22:25.030 --> 03:22:26.330 and ask for rate increases, 03:22:26.330 --> 03:22:29.060 because there'll be more strain on the grid. 03:22:29.060 --> 03:22:31.560 Raising the rates does not level the playing field 03:22:31.560 --> 03:22:33.370 for all economic people. 03:22:33.370 --> 03:22:34.973 It just makes it unaffordable. 03:22:36.010 --> 03:22:37.550 A better- (bell dinging) 03:22:37.550 --> 03:22:39.015 Thank you very much. Thank you very much. 03:22:39.015 --> 03:22:41.690 Operator, next caller, please. 03:22:44.440 --> 03:22:46.853 Our next caller is Steven Hadglade. 03:22:48.160 --> 03:22:49.010 You may go ahead. 03:22:50.435 --> 03:22:52.180 Hi, my name is Steve Hadglade, 03:22:52.180 --> 03:22:54.820 and I live in El Dorado Hills. 03:22:54.820 --> 03:22:57.840 I'm a retiree, a prospective grandparent, 03:22:57.840 --> 03:23:01.360 and I'm very much worried about climate change. 03:23:01.360 --> 03:23:03.680 That's why I'm calling to urge the Commission 03:23:03.680 --> 03:23:08.680 to reject the proposed $57 a month fee on rooftop solar. 03:23:10.160 --> 03:23:13.730 It amounts to a tax on clean energy. 03:23:13.730 --> 03:23:15.570 If you look at it analytically, 03:23:15.570 --> 03:23:17.470 a monthly rooftop solar fee 03:23:17.470 --> 03:23:21.740 operates like a carbon tax, except backwards. 03:23:21.740 --> 03:23:25.330 A carbon tax combats climate change. 03:23:25.330 --> 03:23:26.163 How? 03:23:26.163 --> 03:23:28.580 By raising the cost of fossil fuels, 03:23:28.580 --> 03:23:30.660 and increasing incentives to adopt 03:23:30.660 --> 03:23:33.290 clean energy alternatives, 03:23:33.290 --> 03:23:36.510 but a rooftop solar tax does the opposite. 03:23:36.510 --> 03:23:39.690 It discourages investment in clean energy, 03:23:39.690 --> 03:23:44.170 and makes fossil fuels more attractive in comparison. 03:23:44.170 --> 03:23:45.660 To protect our environment, 03:23:45.660 --> 03:23:47.620 I urge the Commission to reject 03:23:47.620 --> 03:23:51.034 the proposed tax on rooftop solar. 03:23:51.034 --> 03:23:52.503 Thank you. 03:23:52.503 --> 03:23:53.460 Thank you. 03:23:53.460 --> 03:23:55.143 Operator, next caller, please. 03:23:57.400 --> 03:23:59.610 Our next caller is Crystal Wysong. 03:23:59.610 --> 03:24:00.460 You may go ahead. 03:24:03.990 --> 03:24:06.830 Hi, my name is Crystal Wysong. 03:24:06.830 --> 03:24:08.370 My husband and I are homeowners 03:24:08.370 --> 03:24:10.650 in the desert community of Joshua Tree, 03:24:10.650 --> 03:24:12.210 located in the Morongo Basin, 03:24:12.210 --> 03:24:16.270 which is in the Southern California Mojave Desert. 03:24:16.270 --> 03:24:18.070 We have solar panels. 03:24:18.070 --> 03:24:19.520 We are still on the grid. 03:24:19.520 --> 03:24:21.107 Our main reason for installing solar 03:24:21.107 --> 03:24:24.870 was to protect the desert, the planet, and mankind itself, 03:24:24.870 --> 03:24:26.440 not to pay for the poor judgment 03:24:26.440 --> 03:24:31.410 and bad decisions of our state utility, utilities, sorry. 03:24:31.410 --> 03:24:33.320 I would like to echo what the 03:24:33.320 --> 03:24:35.320 Morongo Basin Conservation Association 03:24:35.320 --> 03:24:39.230 and the Mojave Desert Land Trust have already stated. 03:24:39.230 --> 03:24:42.680 Please reject this proposal that hurts individuals, 03:24:42.680 --> 03:24:45.330 small businesses, our precious environment, 03:24:45.330 --> 03:24:47.600 and because it is the right thing to do. 03:24:47.600 --> 03:24:48.970 Thank you. 03:24:48.970 --> 03:24:49.820 Thank you. 03:24:49.820 --> 03:24:51.520 Operator, our next caller, please. 03:24:53.260 --> 03:24:56.350 Our next caller is Joel Schaben. 03:24:56.350 --> 03:24:57.303 You may go ahead. 03:24:58.524 --> 03:25:02.850 Yes, I oppose the proposed CPUC action 03:25:02.850 --> 03:25:06.820 that allows California utilities to impose a solar tax, 03:25:06.820 --> 03:25:09.920 called the Grid Participation Charge, 03:25:09.920 --> 03:25:11.853 on those with rooftop solar. 03:25:14.230 --> 03:25:17.270 It threatens California's climate change goals, 03:25:17.270 --> 03:25:19.000 and everyone's efforts to reduce 03:25:20.574 --> 03:25:22.060 global greenhouse gas emissions. 03:25:22.060 --> 03:25:23.827 I have solar on my roof, 03:25:23.827 --> 03:25:27.060 and I paid thousands of dollars for that installation. 03:25:27.060 --> 03:25:30.210 In effect, a power generator 03:25:30.210 --> 03:25:33.270 providing electrical energy to PG&E. 03:25:33.270 --> 03:25:34.713 In addition, I help meet, 03:25:35.590 --> 03:25:38.760 PG&E meet its resource allocation 03:25:38.760 --> 03:25:41.980 for renewable energy required by the state. 03:25:41.980 --> 03:25:46.610 And now they want people like me to pay monthly 03:25:46.610 --> 03:25:50.270 for providing this electricity to PG&E's grid. 03:25:50.270 --> 03:25:52.890 This is beyond unfair and unreasonable. 03:25:52.890 --> 03:25:53.963 It's a travesty. 03:25:55.450 --> 03:25:59.057 It will destroy the solar installation industry, 03:25:59.057 --> 03:26:03.941 and the jobs of as many as 60 to 70,000 03:26:03.941 --> 03:26:06.387 Californians employed- (bell dinging) 03:26:06.387 --> 03:26:08.230 Thank you very much. 03:26:08.230 --> 03:26:10.103 Operator, next caller, please. 03:26:11.630 --> 03:26:13.780 Our next caller is Kathleen Singer. 03:26:13.780 --> 03:26:14.630 You may go ahead. 03:26:16.600 --> 03:26:18.940 Hello, my name is Kathleen Singer. 03:26:18.940 --> 03:26:21.760 I'm calling here from Lancaster, California. 03:26:21.760 --> 03:26:23.810 I'm with Advanced Conservation Systems, 03:26:23.810 --> 03:26:25.610 DBA, Solar Powered Independence. 03:26:25.610 --> 03:26:28.630 I've been working in the solar industry for seven years, 03:26:28.630 --> 03:26:31.100 which is basically my entire adult life. 03:26:31.100 --> 03:26:32.750 I'm very passionate about solar. 03:26:32.750 --> 03:26:35.490 I think that it does great things for our community, 03:26:35.490 --> 03:26:39.360 the whole Antelope Valley, and all of California. 03:26:39.360 --> 03:26:44.360 My primary job is to help customers with interconnections. 03:26:44.520 --> 03:26:47.060 That's one of the major job functions of mine. 03:26:47.060 --> 03:26:48.143 I've been with customers, you know, 03:26:48.143 --> 03:26:50.740 with the transition from NEM 1.0 to 2.0. 03:26:51.680 --> 03:26:54.220 And I just don't think that with NEM 3.0 03:26:54.220 --> 03:26:56.300 we'd be able to go on. 03:26:56.300 --> 03:26:58.980 We've been here for 39 years, 03:26:58.980 --> 03:27:00.890 and this is very important to me. 03:27:00.890 --> 03:27:02.460 Thank you. 03:27:02.460 --> 03:27:03.370 Thank you. 03:27:03.370 --> 03:27:05.070 Operator, our next caller, please. 03:27:06.880 --> 03:27:09.000 Our next caller is Rob Holley. 03:27:09.000 --> 03:27:09.850 You may go ahead. 03:27:10.710 --> 03:27:12.750 Hi, this is Rob Holley from San Jose. 03:27:12.750 --> 03:27:14.530 I'm a member of the Solar Rights Alliance, 03:27:14.530 --> 03:27:16.320 and I was in Sacramento to deliver 03:27:16.320 --> 03:27:19.560 the 125,000 signatures to the Governor, 03:27:19.560 --> 03:27:21.890 and stood with the solar workers in San Francisco 03:27:21.890 --> 03:27:23.980 that NEM3 will rob of a job. 03:27:23.980 --> 03:27:25.650 I echo the other speakers. 03:27:25.650 --> 03:27:28.068 Stop all solar taxes! 03:27:28.068 --> 03:27:30.307 Support an NEM that works for working 03:27:30.307 --> 03:27:32.070 and middle class families. 03:27:32.070 --> 03:27:35.170 Don't change the rules on existing installations. 03:27:35.170 --> 03:27:38.300 Put solar on rooftops, instead of our open space. 03:27:38.300 --> 03:27:40.500 We need solar and batteries to keep our lights on, 03:27:40.500 --> 03:27:44.030 since we can no longer rely on the utilities to do so. 03:27:44.030 --> 03:27:46.850 Finally, ditch the cost shift nonsense. 03:27:46.850 --> 03:27:48.520 Your draft conveniently omits 03:27:48.520 --> 03:27:51.800 the detailed Vibrant study that refutes this myth. 03:27:51.800 --> 03:27:52.633 Thank you. 03:27:53.930 --> 03:27:54.920 Thank you. 03:27:54.920 --> 03:27:56.853 Operator, the next caller, please. 03:27:58.330 --> 03:28:00.820 Our next caller is Heidi Harmon. 03:28:00.820 --> 03:28:01.670 You may go ahead. 03:28:04.690 --> 03:28:05.523 Thank you so much. 03:28:05.523 --> 03:28:08.320 I'm directing my comments to Governor Newsom. 03:28:08.320 --> 03:28:10.740 As the recent former mayor of San Luis Obispo, 03:28:10.740 --> 03:28:12.800 I was honored to host you many times, 03:28:12.800 --> 03:28:15.320 and I've been proud to campaign on your behalf. 03:28:15.320 --> 03:28:17.380 I went to bat for you during the recall, 03:28:17.380 --> 03:28:19.500 which, as I'm sure you can imagine, 03:28:19.500 --> 03:28:21.100 was at the daily personal cost 03:28:21.100 --> 03:28:22.975 to my mental health on social media. 03:28:22.975 --> 03:28:25.470 And I did all of these things because I believe in you, 03:28:25.470 --> 03:28:26.770 and I believe in your courage 03:28:26.770 --> 03:28:28.660 and commitment to the next generation. 03:28:28.660 --> 03:28:30.420 And I'm speaking to you now 03:28:30.420 --> 03:28:32.600 to ask that you do everything that you can 03:28:32.600 --> 03:28:34.070 to keep rooftop solar alive 03:28:34.070 --> 03:28:36.280 at this critical time in history. 03:28:36.280 --> 03:28:38.130 I'm now the Senior Public Affairs Director 03:28:38.130 --> 03:28:39.380 at Let's Green California, 03:28:39.380 --> 03:28:41.210 and I spend a lot of my time thinking about 03:28:41.210 --> 03:28:42.263 how California can reach its 03:28:42.263 --> 03:28:45.830 2030 GHD emission reduction goals. 03:28:45.830 --> 03:28:47.960 And at our current rate of emissions reductions, 03:28:47.960 --> 03:28:50.820 we won't reach our goals until 2063. 03:28:50.820 --> 03:28:52.940 And we certainly won't come anywhere close 03:28:52.940 --> 03:28:55.080 if rooftop solar energy generation 03:28:55.080 --> 03:28:57.880 becomes out of reach for California's families. 03:28:57.880 --> 03:28:59.970 As a former mayor, climate activist, 03:28:59.970 --> 03:29:03.150 rooftop solar owner, and most importantly, a mother, 03:29:03.150 --> 03:29:06.300 I am asking you to support rooftop solar for all, 03:29:06.300 --> 03:29:07.570 and not to tax it. 03:29:07.570 --> 03:29:08.403 Thank you. 03:29:09.380 --> 03:29:10.220 Thank you. 03:29:10.220 --> 03:29:11.920 Operator, our next caller, please. 03:29:13.996 --> 03:29:15.860 And our next caller is Markus Messiah. 03:29:15.860 --> 03:29:16.710 You may go ahead. 03:29:24.680 --> 03:29:25.770 Sorry about that. 03:29:25.770 --> 03:29:27.240 My name is Markus Messiah. 03:29:27.240 --> 03:29:30.880 I'm with a nonprofit called The Good Guys. 03:29:30.880 --> 03:29:32.120 And to be honest with you, 03:29:32.120 --> 03:29:34.820 I feel like we're having the wrong conversation right now. 03:29:34.820 --> 03:29:37.750 I feel like NEM 3.0 should be introducing 03:29:37.750 --> 03:29:41.640 a soft phase out of current utility companies, 03:29:41.640 --> 03:29:43.180 and a slow adoption of solar 03:29:43.180 --> 03:29:46.240 as a permanent method of power production. 03:29:46.240 --> 03:29:48.490 'Cause let's just play this out for a second. 03:29:49.453 --> 03:29:52.200 Let's say, NEM 3.0 gets pushed through, 03:29:52.200 --> 03:29:53.520 unemployment will go up, 03:29:53.520 --> 03:29:55.790 electric use will stress out the grid, 03:29:55.790 --> 03:29:58.030 causing more blackouts, causing more fires, 03:29:58.030 --> 03:29:59.660 and drive the population to move away, 03:29:59.660 --> 03:30:01.363 and take their business with them. 03:30:02.450 --> 03:30:03.950 But if you love the air you breathe 03:30:03.950 --> 03:30:05.100 and the Earth you walk on, 03:30:05.100 --> 03:30:10.100 you'll see through the NEM 3.0 ploy, and save California. 03:30:11.070 --> 03:30:12.200 For just a second, 03:30:12.200 --> 03:30:14.260 imagine California with less brush fires 03:30:16.038 --> 03:30:17.335 and less ruling blackouts. 03:30:17.335 --> 03:30:18.168 (scoffs) Sounds like heaven, I'm sure. 03:30:18.168 --> 03:30:20.340 Or, you know, we can keep setting our land on fire, 03:30:20.340 --> 03:30:22.590 gouging our citizens for more profit, 03:30:22.590 --> 03:30:24.090 and leave nothing for our kids, 03:30:24.090 --> 03:30:26.563 but at least the utilities will get rich. 03:30:27.420 --> 03:30:30.660 Regardless of what they whisper in your ear, CPUC, 03:30:30.660 --> 03:30:33.090 if you approve the current NEM 3.0, 03:30:33.090 --> 03:30:34.660 it will be the tipping point (bell dinging) 03:30:34.660 --> 03:30:36.710 that brings America to its knees. 03:30:36.710 --> 03:30:38.630 Thank you very much. 03:30:38.630 --> 03:30:40.363 Operator, next caller, please. 03:30:43.130 --> 03:30:45.530 Our next caller is Theresa Benosa. 03:30:45.530 --> 03:30:46.380 You may go ahead. 03:30:52.043 --> 03:30:53.293 Hi! 03:30:54.780 --> 03:30:56.530 Good afternoon, Commissioners. 03:30:56.530 --> 03:30:58.260 I'm here to comment on the most recent 03:30:58.260 --> 03:30:59.890 biting the hand that warned you. 03:30:59.890 --> 03:31:02.700 I come from a humble, lower middle class beginning. 03:31:02.700 --> 03:31:03.970 I never felt poor, 03:31:03.970 --> 03:31:06.210 but my parents worked hard, as did I. 03:31:06.210 --> 03:31:09.390 I don't drink, party, smoke, do drugs, or gamble. 03:31:09.390 --> 03:31:12.050 I don't have tattoos or multiple piercings. 03:31:12.050 --> 03:31:15.780 I'm conservative in how I use my money and my utilities. 03:31:15.780 --> 03:31:16.870 Why? 03:31:16.870 --> 03:31:19.108 I saved and purchased solar, 03:31:19.108 --> 03:31:20.320 so that as I age into a fixed income, 03:31:20.320 --> 03:31:23.000 I could have electricity I would need to be comfortable 03:31:23.000 --> 03:31:24.240 in my retired years. 03:31:24.240 --> 03:31:27.840 Right now, I'm using solar to dry my clothes, 03:31:27.840 --> 03:31:30.790 and I'm living in a house that's set at 61 degrees. 03:31:30.790 --> 03:31:33.330 I was paying for electricity 10 years ago, 03:31:33.330 --> 03:31:36.700 and now you're asking me to pay more in taxes, 03:31:36.700 --> 03:31:39.550 and then what I was paying for electricity 03:31:39.550 --> 03:31:40.973 back when I got solar. 03:31:41.810 --> 03:31:44.160 Energy demands keep increasing in our lives, 03:31:44.160 --> 03:31:45.760 and I thought I prepared well. 03:31:45.760 --> 03:31:48.710 I've grown very tired of paying for other people 03:31:48.710 --> 03:31:50.500 and their poor decisions. 03:31:50.500 --> 03:31:53.630 If I had a choice to be off-grid, I would. 03:31:53.630 --> 03:31:58.181 I have no choice on who, what, if, or where. 03:31:58.181 --> 03:32:01.180 It's not- (bell dinging) 03:32:01.180 --> 03:32:02.310 Thank you very much. 03:32:02.310 --> 03:32:04.010 Operator, our next caller, please. 03:32:05.350 --> 03:32:07.230 Our next caller is Jan Dietrich. 03:32:07.230 --> 03:32:08.576 You may go ahead. 03:32:08.576 --> 03:32:10.490 (male speaks indistinctly) 03:32:10.490 --> 03:32:14.300 So if the supervisor in that home district. 03:32:14.300 --> 03:32:16.340 Again, Jan Dietrich, your line is open. 03:32:16.340 --> 03:32:18.053 You may go ahead. 03:32:18.053 --> 03:32:20.739 Or was that supervisor parked, or no? 03:32:20.739 --> 03:32:21.635 (interposing voices) 03:32:21.635 --> 03:32:25.190 Oh, right. Okay, yeah! 03:32:25.190 --> 03:32:27.080 Ms. Dietrich? Or his friend. 03:32:27.080 --> 03:32:28.285 All right. You may begin speaking. 03:32:28.285 --> 03:32:29.118 (electronic beeping) 03:32:29.118 --> 03:32:30.030 Sorry. (male speaks indistinctly) 03:32:30.030 --> 03:32:32.430 Excuse me, Ms. Dietrich, your line is open. 03:32:32.430 --> 03:32:34.615 A complete jerk. 03:32:34.615 --> 03:32:36.870 (male speaks indistinctly) 03:32:36.870 --> 03:32:38.320 Should we go to the next caller? 03:32:38.320 --> 03:32:40.070 Yes, please, Operator. 03:32:41.040 --> 03:32:44.120 Our next caller is Naomi Cohen. 03:32:44.120 --> 03:32:45.682 You may go ahead. 03:32:45.682 --> 03:32:46.950 Yes, my name is Naomi Cohen, 03:32:46.950 --> 03:32:48.800 an attorney in LA County. 03:32:48.800 --> 03:32:51.230 California is burning to the ground. 03:32:51.230 --> 03:32:53.830 People are losing their homes, their livelihoods, 03:32:53.830 --> 03:32:56.030 their pets, and their lives! 03:32:56.030 --> 03:33:00.150 PGE's power grid is responsible for many of the fires 03:33:00.150 --> 03:33:02.110 and the loss of life! 03:33:02.110 --> 03:33:04.570 And it contributes much to the climate change 03:33:04.570 --> 03:33:06.370 that fuels these fires. 03:33:06.370 --> 03:33:10.170 Solar energy needs to be made less expensive 03:33:10.170 --> 03:33:11.300 and more accessible, 03:33:11.300 --> 03:33:15.200 so more people can help California not burn. 03:33:15.200 --> 03:33:18.400 The committee's proposal is outrageous! 03:33:18.400 --> 03:33:20.690 Because each of these proposed changes 03:33:20.690 --> 03:33:24.090 makes it less likely that people will install solar, 03:33:24.090 --> 03:33:28.710 and more likely that California will have more fires. 03:33:28.710 --> 03:33:31.470 And the proposals are deliberately designed 03:33:31.470 --> 03:33:32.880 to be outrageous, 03:33:32.880 --> 03:33:35.100 so that when the committee compromises, 03:33:35.100 --> 03:33:38.410 it can claim it is being reasonable, 03:33:38.410 --> 03:33:39.850 but any compromise, 03:33:39.850 --> 03:33:42.050 anything that makes it harder, 03:33:42.050 --> 03:33:44.104 more expensive to install solar, will be egregious, 03:33:44.104 --> 03:33:48.550 because it will condemn California to burn, 03:33:48.550 --> 03:33:50.110 and it will cost (bell dinging) 03:33:50.110 --> 03:33:52.370 more Californians their lives! 03:33:52.370 --> 03:33:53.203 Thank you. 03:33:53.203 --> 03:33:54.036 Thank you. 03:33:54.036 --> 03:33:55.210 Thank you very much. 03:33:55.210 --> 03:33:58.120 Operator, next caller, please. Thank you. 03:33:59.540 --> 03:34:02.270 Our next caller is from Benjamin Wisoff. 03:34:02.270 --> 03:34:03.120 You may go ahead. 03:34:08.260 --> 03:34:09.160 Hi, good morning, 03:34:09.160 --> 03:34:12.020 or good afternoon, President and Commissioners. 03:34:12.020 --> 03:34:12.973 Benjamin Wisoff here, 03:34:12.973 --> 03:34:15.280 a concerned citizen of Fremont, California 03:34:15.280 --> 03:34:17.460 on the disastrous NEM3 proposal. 03:34:17.460 --> 03:34:20.250 The foundation of the current PD is rotten, 03:34:20.250 --> 03:34:22.600 built on lies and specious logic, 03:34:22.600 --> 03:34:24.340 an outrageous and thinly veiled attempt 03:34:24.340 --> 03:34:27.770 by utility monopolies to scapegoat rooftop solar, 03:34:27.770 --> 03:34:28.760 rather than addressing 03:34:28.760 --> 03:34:31.540 their own negligence and shortcomings. 03:34:31.540 --> 03:34:35.490 The current NEM3 PD would murder retrofit rooftop solar 03:34:35.490 --> 03:34:38.340 through extreme disincentivization. 03:34:38.340 --> 03:34:40.100 And what about our housing crisis? 03:34:40.100 --> 03:34:43.270 California's Title 24 mandates solar install 03:34:43.270 --> 03:34:45.520 on all new home construction. 03:34:45.520 --> 03:34:46.910 Big win for clean energy. 03:34:46.910 --> 03:34:49.410 But this PD would penalize builders 03:34:49.410 --> 03:34:51.280 and homeowners by making 03:34:51.280 --> 03:34:53.610 new home ownership more unaffordable, 03:34:53.610 --> 03:34:57.070 imposing solar fines on all new home utility bills. 03:34:57.070 --> 03:34:58.500 Commissioners, it's your duty 03:34:58.500 --> 03:35:00.670 and obligation to protect the public. 03:35:00.670 --> 03:35:03.550 Throughout this corrupt dumpster fire of a proposal, 03:35:03.550 --> 03:35:05.170 rewrite NEM3 in the spirit 03:35:05.170 --> 03:35:08.420 and intent of our climate goal commitments 03:35:09.270 --> 03:35:11.960 to current and future generations. 03:35:11.960 --> 03:35:14.413 Thank you for your time and service. 03:35:15.330 --> 03:35:16.200 Thank you. 03:35:16.200 --> 03:35:17.963 Operator, next caller, please. 03:35:20.750 --> 03:35:22.680 Our next caller is Norene Griffin. 03:35:22.680 --> 03:35:23.530 You may go ahead. 03:35:25.510 --> 03:35:26.670 Thank you. 03:35:26.670 --> 03:35:27.810 My name's Norene Griffin. 03:35:27.810 --> 03:35:29.240 I live in Alameda. 03:35:29.240 --> 03:35:32.593 I do not have rooftop solar or work in the solar industry. 03:35:33.770 --> 03:35:35.240 I'm here today to ask you to reject 03:35:35.240 --> 03:35:36.830 the proposed NEM3 decision. 03:35:36.830 --> 03:35:38.790 It will make rooftop solar less affordable 03:35:38.790 --> 03:35:41.663 and accessible for low and middle income Californians, 03:35:42.620 --> 03:35:45.220 which is the exact opposite of what needs to happen. 03:35:46.650 --> 03:35:48.910 Creating barriers to access for rooftop solar 03:35:48.910 --> 03:35:50.330 will make it harder for California 03:35:50.330 --> 03:35:52.150 to reduce reliance on fossil fuels 03:35:52.150 --> 03:35:53.663 and reach state climate goals. 03:35:54.920 --> 03:35:56.920 The state needs to triple its solar production 03:35:56.920 --> 03:35:58.020 to get off fossil fuels, 03:35:58.020 --> 03:35:59.280 and that can't be achieved 03:35:59.280 --> 03:36:01.790 with utility scale renewables alone. 03:36:01.790 --> 03:36:03.170 The impacts of climate change, 03:36:03.170 --> 03:36:06.380 which are increasingly increasing 03:36:06.380 --> 03:36:08.320 noticeably in severity every year, 03:36:08.320 --> 03:36:11.760 disproportionately affect lower income Californians, 03:36:11.760 --> 03:36:13.960 younger Californians, like my teenage son, 03:36:13.960 --> 03:36:15.560 and all future generations. 03:36:15.560 --> 03:36:17.980 That is the real equity issue here. 03:36:17.980 --> 03:36:19.280 An equitable outcome will be 03:36:19.280 --> 03:36:21.600 aligned with California's climate goals, 03:36:21.600 --> 03:36:24.657 will increase, not decrease, access to rooftop solar 03:36:24.657 --> 03:36:27.530 and its benefits for all Californians, 03:36:27.530 --> 03:36:29.020 and will honor the state's commitments 03:36:29.020 --> 03:36:32.107 to current solar customers and solar businesses. 03:36:32.107 --> 03:36:35.413 Thank you. (bell dinging) 03:36:35.413 --> 03:36:36.760 Thank you. 03:36:36.760 --> 03:36:39.130 Please note that we will be taking a break 03:36:39.130 --> 03:36:41.690 at 2:00 PM for 15 minutes. 03:36:41.690 --> 03:36:45.170 So we'll take a few more calls until 2:00 PM. 03:36:45.170 --> 03:36:47.103 Operator, the next caller, please. 03:36:48.810 --> 03:36:50.880 Our next caller is Gordon Leppig. 03:36:50.880 --> 03:36:51.883 You may go ahead. 03:36:53.350 --> 03:36:54.183 Good afternoon. 03:36:54.183 --> 03:36:56.900 I'm the conservation chair for the North Coast chapter 03:36:56.900 --> 03:36:59.113 of the California Native Plant Society. 03:36:59.970 --> 03:37:02.420 Our chapter is opposed to the revision 03:37:02.420 --> 03:37:05.313 to net energy metering rules. 03:37:06.300 --> 03:37:07.950 The reason for our opposition, 03:37:07.950 --> 03:37:10.490 is that climate change is a grave environmental 03:37:10.490 --> 03:37:12.880 and humanitarian crisis. 03:37:12.880 --> 03:37:16.620 Thus, we need all the greenhouse gas emission-reducing, 03:37:16.620 --> 03:37:18.973 renewable energy as possible. 03:37:20.030 --> 03:37:23.300 But rooftop solar has considerable less, 03:37:23.300 --> 03:37:25.680 considerably less environmental impacts 03:37:25.680 --> 03:37:28.970 as solar and wind production in wildlands, 03:37:28.970 --> 03:37:32.993 such as desert, forest, and grassland prairie habitats. 03:37:34.250 --> 03:37:36.880 Yet, this rule, rule change, 03:37:36.880 --> 03:37:38.600 will substantially disincentivize 03:37:39.470 --> 03:37:42.880 future rooftop solar installation, 03:37:42.880 --> 03:37:46.700 and result in more wildland energy production, 03:37:46.700 --> 03:37:49.820 thus our opposition to the rule change. 03:37:49.820 --> 03:37:50.903 Thank you very much. 03:37:52.060 --> 03:37:52.893 Thank you. 03:37:52.893 --> 03:37:54.373 Operator, next caller, please. 03:37:56.780 --> 03:37:58.680 Our next caller is Bill Hilton. 03:37:58.680 --> 03:37:59.530 You may go ahead. 03:38:02.260 --> 03:38:03.370 Good afternoon. 03:38:03.370 --> 03:38:06.848 I'm Bill Hilton in Sunnyvale, 03:38:06.848 --> 03:38:09.100 and I thank you for this opportunity 03:38:09.100 --> 03:38:13.170 to speak as an individual concerned about climate justice, 03:38:13.170 --> 03:38:16.090 and as a rooftop solar owner. 03:38:16.090 --> 03:38:21.090 I oppose the proposal that is publicly available for review. 03:38:22.040 --> 03:38:24.940 The proposal will stifle new rooftop solar, 03:38:24.940 --> 03:38:28.460 and make achievement of the state's clean energy goals 03:38:28.460 --> 03:38:32.050 far more difficult, even unlikely. 03:38:32.050 --> 03:38:34.520 One estimate is a 20% drop 03:38:34.520 --> 03:38:37.910 in new rooftop solar installations next year. 03:38:37.910 --> 03:38:41.860 My estimate, based on added costs I'll incur, 03:38:41.860 --> 03:38:44.220 is a more drastic reduction. 03:38:44.220 --> 03:38:46.960 More importantly, for you and me, 03:38:46.960 --> 03:38:49.330 and our children and grandchildren, 03:38:49.330 --> 03:38:52.660 is that slower progress on combating climate change 03:38:52.660 --> 03:38:54.870 will make living in the future 03:38:54.870 --> 03:38:58.520 much more difficult, even dangerous. 03:38:58.520 --> 03:39:00.240 For what benefits? 03:39:00.240 --> 03:39:02.603 To bolster PG&E's bottom line? 03:39:03.750 --> 03:39:06.610 Or some claim, it will make electric rates fairer 03:39:06.610 --> 03:39:08.160 for low income people, 03:39:08.160 --> 03:39:10.982 about $10 a month on average. 03:39:10.982 --> 03:39:13.400 Surely- (bell dinging) 03:39:13.400 --> 03:39:14.840 Thank you very much. 03:39:14.840 --> 03:39:15.673 Operator, Thank you. 03:39:15.673 --> 03:39:17.193 the next caller, please. 03:39:19.480 --> 03:39:21.780 Our next caller is Paul Newman. 03:39:21.780 --> 03:39:22.683 You may go ahead. 03:39:24.230 --> 03:39:25.063 Thank you. 03:39:25.063 --> 03:39:27.150 I'm the residence of Santa Monica, 03:39:27.150 --> 03:39:30.210 and I'm against this bill as well. 03:39:30.210 --> 03:39:32.730 In 2019, I put my solar panels up 03:39:32.730 --> 03:39:36.900 with the intent of reducing my electric bill, 03:39:36.900 --> 03:39:40.290 because we've had many heat waves, and it continues, 03:39:40.290 --> 03:39:42.680 and our summers seem to be longer, 03:39:42.680 --> 03:39:44.180 and the use of air conditioning 03:39:44.180 --> 03:39:45.940 is more important to my health. 03:39:45.940 --> 03:39:47.510 I'm a heart patient. 03:39:47.510 --> 03:39:51.470 So, you know, bringing in a tax on this 03:39:51.470 --> 03:39:53.490 is just despicable! 03:39:53.490 --> 03:39:57.523 And so I urge you, no, on NM3. 03:39:58.398 --> 03:39:59.781 Thank you. 03:39:59.781 --> 03:40:00.690 Thank you. 03:40:00.690 --> 03:40:02.463 Operator, next caller, please. 03:40:05.220 --> 03:40:07.070 Our next caller is Ann Harvey. 03:40:07.070 --> 03:40:07.920 You may go ahead. 03:40:08.870 --> 03:40:10.240 Hi, I'm in Ann Harvey, 03:40:10.240 --> 03:40:12.360 a retired family doctor in Oakland, 03:40:12.360 --> 03:40:15.070 and a member of Climate Health Now. 03:40:15.070 --> 03:40:16.870 To address the climate crisis 03:40:16.870 --> 03:40:20.710 and our state's unacceptable levels of deadly air pollution, 03:40:20.710 --> 03:40:24.940 we must quickly electrify our buildings and transportation, 03:40:24.940 --> 03:40:28.360 and rapidly expand renewables and storage. 03:40:28.360 --> 03:40:31.220 Extensive reliance on long distance transmission 03:40:31.220 --> 03:40:35.480 makes electricity more expensive and less reliable. 03:40:35.480 --> 03:40:37.870 Power outages, just like air pollution, 03:40:37.870 --> 03:40:39.910 particularly harm the poor, 03:40:39.910 --> 03:40:42.490 including people with chronic medical conditions, 03:40:42.490 --> 03:40:44.210 and those who can't afford to replace 03:40:44.210 --> 03:40:46.650 refrigerated foods that spoil. 03:40:46.650 --> 03:40:48.000 Imagine the broad impact 03:40:48.000 --> 03:40:50.640 once almost all our vehicles are electric. 03:40:50.640 --> 03:40:55.460 We absolutely need not only more solar, but local solar. 03:40:55.460 --> 03:40:57.510 The CPUC should do its part 03:40:57.510 --> 03:40:59.930 by making rooftop solar more affordable, 03:40:59.930 --> 03:41:02.260 especially for low income people. 03:41:02.260 --> 03:41:05.250 The proposed decision clearly does the opposite. 03:41:05.250 --> 03:41:07.840 I trust you will scrap it, and start over. 03:41:07.840 --> 03:41:08.673 Thank you. 03:41:10.020 --> 03:41:10.853 Thank you. 03:41:10.853 --> 03:41:12.493 Operator, next caller, please. 03:41:15.320 --> 03:41:16.690 Our next caller is Carol, 03:41:16.690 --> 03:41:18.830 I'm sorry, Carl Farrington. 03:41:18.830 --> 03:41:19.680 You may go ahead. 03:41:21.550 --> 03:41:22.383 Hello. 03:41:22.383 --> 03:41:26.200 Thank you, Commissioners, for taking our comments. 03:41:26.200 --> 03:41:27.160 As public servants 03:41:27.160 --> 03:41:29.710 and as stewards of California's energy infrastructure, 03:41:29.710 --> 03:41:34.130 I urge you to reject the NEM3 proposal of solar tax. 03:41:34.130 --> 03:41:34.963 For 30 years, 03:41:34.963 --> 03:41:37.730 the broad outline of the climate crisis have been clear. 03:41:37.730 --> 03:41:38.750 Throughout that time, 03:41:38.750 --> 03:41:41.480 our response has been political inaction, 03:41:41.480 --> 03:41:44.630 justified by corporate disinformation. 03:41:44.630 --> 03:41:47.580 Delays made the clean energy transition more difficult, 03:41:47.580 --> 03:41:49.193 but no less necessary. 03:41:50.150 --> 03:41:51.540 California's recent political 03:41:51.540 --> 03:41:54.180 commitment to carbon reduction 03:41:54.180 --> 03:41:57.400 has been a necessary positive step away from this history, 03:41:57.400 --> 03:41:59.580 and undermining that commitment 03:41:59.580 --> 03:42:02.820 for the purpose of propping up utility profits 03:42:02.820 --> 03:42:03.883 would be criminal. 03:42:04.920 --> 03:42:06.850 Utilities are looking for political cover 03:42:06.850 --> 03:42:09.390 by painting this as an equity issue. 03:42:09.390 --> 03:42:11.240 Equity is a concern that we should address 03:42:11.240 --> 03:42:13.050 by subsidizing energy efficiency 03:42:13.050 --> 03:42:16.760 and clean energy upgrades for low income consumers, 03:42:16.760 --> 03:42:19.200 not by preserving a business-as-usual model 03:42:19.200 --> 03:42:20.860 that's destroying our climate. 03:42:20.860 --> 03:42:21.693 Thank you. 03:42:23.060 --> 03:42:24.090 Thank you. 03:42:24.090 --> 03:42:26.620 And with that, we're at two o'clock, 03:42:26.620 --> 03:42:29.533 and we will be breaking for 15 minutes. 03:42:33.700 --> 03:42:35.640 This conference has resumed. 03:42:35.640 --> 03:42:37.440 President Reynolds, you may proceed. 03:42:38.760 --> 03:42:39.593 Thank you. 03:42:39.593 --> 03:42:42.223 We need to first establish a quorum. 03:42:43.385 --> 03:42:45.223 Will the clerk please call the role? 03:42:46.200 --> 03:42:47.700 Commissioner Houck? Here. 03:42:49.347 --> 03:42:52.097 Commissioner Shiroma? Present. 03:42:53.090 --> 03:42:56.530 Commissioner Rechtschaffen? I'm here. 03:42:56.530 --> 03:42:58.933 President Reynolds? Here. 03:43:02.630 --> 03:43:03.663 We have a quorum. 03:43:04.930 --> 03:43:06.440 We are now resuming the 03:43:06.440 --> 03:43:09.120 public comment portion of our meeting. 03:43:09.120 --> 03:43:12.600 Before we turn back to public comments, 03:43:12.600 --> 03:43:16.460 I wanted to let everyone who is waiting in the que know, 03:43:16.460 --> 03:43:19.630 that as we get later into the afternoon, 03:43:19.630 --> 03:43:21.840 if you are unable to remain on the line, 03:43:21.840 --> 03:43:25.210 you may submit your comment by email 03:43:25.210 --> 03:43:27.750 to the CPUC public advisor. 03:43:27.750 --> 03:43:31.883 I'm going to give you the email address now, 03:43:31.883 --> 03:43:33.574 so that you have it. 03:43:33.574 --> 03:43:38.574 The email address is Public.Advisor, 03:43:38.870 --> 03:43:42.910 A-D-V-I-S-O-R, @CPUC.CA.gov. 03:43:47.480 --> 03:43:50.303 Again, you may provide your comment by email.