WEBVTT 00:00:01.500 --> 00:00:04.760 We will now return to all of our commenters 00:00:04.760 --> 00:00:07.450 that we have in our comment queue. 00:00:07.450 --> 00:00:10.563 Operator, Could you please call the next caller? 00:00:12.530 --> 00:00:14.980 Our next caller is Kent Bullard. 00:00:14.980 --> 00:00:15.830 You may go ahead. 00:00:21.060 --> 00:00:22.970 Good day Commissioners. 00:00:22.970 --> 00:00:24.890 My name is Kent Bullard. 00:00:24.890 --> 00:00:26.783 I live in Ventura, California. 00:00:27.720 --> 00:00:32.240 I have invested in having solar on my rooftop since 1994, 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:36.023 which is generated a 100% of my electrical needs. 00:00:37.810 --> 00:00:41.840 I am opposed to the proposed NEM 3.0e decision. 00:00:41.840 --> 00:00:44.883 There should be no solar grid charge or tax. 00:00:45.860 --> 00:00:48.880 Rooftops solar saves all consumers money. 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:51.810 As it prevents the need to construct new power generation 00:00:51.810 --> 00:00:54.350 and distribution facilities. 00:00:54.350 --> 00:00:57.790 Rooftop, solar places, the generation where it is needed 00:00:57.790 --> 00:00:58.993 in our community. 00:01:00.060 --> 00:01:04.260 If I have extra electricity and it is exported to the grid, 00:01:04.260 --> 00:01:06.550 do not make me pay for that. 00:01:06.550 --> 00:01:11.090 Figure a way of letting me donate it to my needy neighbors, 00:01:11.090 --> 00:01:15.760 but do not impose charges for us to provide 00:01:15.760 --> 00:01:17.910 energy to the grid. 00:01:17.910 --> 00:01:20.460 Thank you. 00:01:20.460 --> 00:01:21.293 Thank you. 00:01:21.293 --> 00:01:22.897 Operator, next caller please. 00:01:24.300 --> 00:01:26.270 Our next caller is Marlow Wilson. 00:01:26.270 --> 00:01:27.700 You may go ahead. 00:01:27.700 --> 00:01:30.040 This is Marlow Wilson from Berkeley. 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:33.950 I did my part and installed rooftop solar. 00:01:33.950 --> 00:01:36.640 I also agree with everything said so far, 00:01:36.640 --> 00:01:40.980 but it's all used my time to emphasize that NEM 3.0 00:01:40.980 --> 00:01:43.020 is about PG&E profits. 00:01:43.020 --> 00:01:45.870 It parallels PG&E scam decades ago 00:01:45.870 --> 00:01:48.340 when they asked foreign, got raid hikes to upgrade 00:01:48.340 --> 00:01:50.470 their infrastructure and do maintenance. 00:01:50.470 --> 00:01:52.550 They didn't do all the work they agreed to do, 00:01:52.550 --> 00:01:54.410 the result, explosions and fires 00:01:54.410 --> 00:01:57.310 that have destroyed communities and killed people. 00:01:57.310 --> 00:01:59.710 They continue to play the same game. 00:01:59.710 --> 00:02:02.040 They've been held criminally liable. 00:02:02.040 --> 00:02:03.980 They violate their probation. 00:02:03.980 --> 00:02:06.550 They want to renege on their contracts. 00:02:06.550 --> 00:02:09.780 The CPUC is supposed to protect the public. 00:02:09.780 --> 00:02:12.840 Doesn't the P stand for public? 00:02:12.840 --> 00:02:16.480 PG&EO on the other hand is all about their profits. 00:02:16.480 --> 00:02:20.470 Supporting NEM is supporting the agenda of criminals. 00:02:20.470 --> 00:02:24.075 Who do you wanna support, the public or the criminals? 00:02:24.075 --> 00:02:24.908 Thank you. 00:02:26.145 --> 00:02:26.978 Thank you. 00:02:26.978 --> 00:02:28.573 Operator, next caller please. 00:02:31.600 --> 00:02:34.440 Our next caller is Michael Sakamoto. 00:02:34.440 --> 00:02:35.290 You may go ahead. 00:02:37.625 --> 00:02:38.458 [Michael Sakamoto] Commissioners. 00:02:38.458 --> 00:02:41.400 Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you today. 00:02:41.400 --> 00:02:46.400 My basic argument much like those you've heard before, 00:02:46.500 --> 00:02:50.270 runs around the fact that in 2017, 00:02:50.270 --> 00:02:53.880 my wife and I invested a net $30,000 00:02:53.880 --> 00:02:56.410 in putting in a solar system. 00:02:56.410 --> 00:02:59.160 And now when we signed that agreement, 00:02:59.160 --> 00:03:03.150 we signed it with a understanding that it was an agreement 00:03:03.150 --> 00:03:07.370 between PG&E and my family and the CPUC 00:03:07.370 --> 00:03:08.940 in the state of California, 00:03:08.940 --> 00:03:11.300 that this was gonna be the rules. 00:03:11.300 --> 00:03:13.920 And now everybody's trying to change the rules. 00:03:13.920 --> 00:03:15.900 It's not fair and it's not right. 00:03:15.900 --> 00:03:18.610 Let alone the fact that you're destroying 00:03:18.610 --> 00:03:23.610 a viable business in solar energy. 00:03:24.740 --> 00:03:26.380 It's not right. 00:03:26.380 --> 00:03:27.473 Thank you very much. 00:03:29.470 --> 00:03:30.303 Thank you. 00:03:30.303 --> 00:03:31.600 Operator, next caller please. 00:03:35.520 --> 00:03:38.393 And our next caller is Mona Kinkle. You may go ahead. 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:41.353 Hi? 00:03:41.353 --> 00:03:42.370 My name is Mona Kinkle 00:03:42.370 --> 00:03:44.500 and I live in Encinitas, California. 00:03:44.500 --> 00:03:48.160 I purchased solar panels for my home in August, 2021. 00:03:48.160 --> 00:03:51.110 The panels were an investment of $21,000. 00:03:51.110 --> 00:03:53.500 I chose solar primarily due to climate change 00:03:53.500 --> 00:03:54.990 and for our planet. 00:03:54.990 --> 00:03:57.030 The agreement with PG&E my supplier 00:03:57.030 --> 00:03:59.830 was an important part of the financial decision. 00:03:59.830 --> 00:04:01.230 Less than six months ago, 00:04:01.230 --> 00:04:04.410 PG&E made an agreement with me for 20 years. 00:04:04.410 --> 00:04:06.690 Now, I hear that PG&E is requesting 00:04:06.690 --> 00:04:09.990 to void that agreement and reduce it to 15 years. 00:04:09.990 --> 00:04:11.150 That's wrong. 00:04:11.150 --> 00:04:12.430 It should be illegal. 00:04:12.430 --> 00:04:15.500 If allowed it ha sends an important message 00:04:15.500 --> 00:04:17.890 loud and clear that you can't count on an agreement 00:04:17.890 --> 00:04:19.590 with your electric company. 00:04:19.590 --> 00:04:21.340 Solar power is the right thing to do. 00:04:21.340 --> 00:04:24.080 There should be no tax of any kind. 00:04:24.080 --> 00:04:26.620 I want the utility Commission and Governor Newsom 00:04:26.620 --> 00:04:30.350 to reject this proposal and to protect rooftop solar, 00:04:30.350 --> 00:04:33.430 no solar tax, net metering that is fair 00:04:33.430 --> 00:04:35.460 and honor the 20 year agreements. 00:04:35.460 --> 00:04:37.483 Anything less is unacceptable. 00:04:39.700 --> 00:04:40.533 Thank you. 00:04:40.533 --> 00:04:41.913 Operator next caller please. 00:04:44.970 --> 00:04:47.983 Our next caller is Mellow Leeds. You may go ahead. 00:04:49.230 --> 00:04:50.459 Hello. 00:04:50.459 --> 00:04:51.292 My name is me Mellow Leeds, 00:04:51.292 --> 00:04:53.060 speaking on behalf of the North County Climate 00:04:53.060 --> 00:04:56.220 Change Alliance, nonprofit in San Diego. 00:04:56.220 --> 00:04:59.100 And I would like to thank you for the opportunity to speak 00:04:59.100 --> 00:05:03.180 and for igniting a firestorm of public outcry against 00:05:03.180 --> 00:05:07.750 efforts to impose the highest solar taxes in the country 00:05:07.750 --> 00:05:12.750 through your NEM 3.0 proposal. 00:05:12.880 --> 00:05:14.620 Let's be perfectly clear. 00:05:14.620 --> 00:05:18.100 Economics and science have spoken rooftop 00:05:18.100 --> 00:05:21.760 solar is now the cheapest form of electricity acquisition 00:05:21.760 --> 00:05:25.320 for ratepayers at the exact moment in history 00:05:25.320 --> 00:05:29.400 when rapid decarbonization is crucial in avoiding 00:05:29.400 --> 00:05:32.730 the most catastrophic effects in climate change. 00:05:32.730 --> 00:05:36.090 As president Jimmy Carter's dated in 1979, 00:05:36.090 --> 00:05:38.960 no one can ever embargo the sun. 00:05:38.960 --> 00:05:43.960 Today in 2022, I implore you to cease your attempts 00:05:44.040 --> 00:05:48.330 to embargo rooftop solar, and our clean energy future. 00:05:48.330 --> 00:05:49.163 Thank you. 00:05:50.220 --> 00:05:51.053 Thank you. 00:05:51.053 --> 00:05:52.777 Operator, next caller please. 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:56.930 Our next caller is Peter stern. 00:05:56.930 --> 00:05:57.780 You may go ahead. 00:06:06.690 --> 00:06:07.523 Hello. 00:06:07.523 --> 00:06:08.720 I just got off mute. 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:10.710 It's a lie that net metering discriminates 00:06:10.710 --> 00:06:12.840 against non-solar ratepayers and that solar 00:06:12.840 --> 00:06:14.390 doesn't pay its own way. 00:06:14.390 --> 00:06:16.490 The truth is that over a million consumers 00:06:16.490 --> 00:06:19.300 have installed solar with their own money in California. 00:06:19.300 --> 00:06:22.200 It provides multiple gigawatts of electricity 00:06:22.200 --> 00:06:25.970 to the utilities when they need it most during peak hours, 00:06:25.970 --> 00:06:28.050 it's a massive electricity infrastructure 00:06:28.050 --> 00:06:30.100 that the utility companies didn't invest 00:06:30.100 --> 00:06:31.770 a penny into building. 00:06:31.770 --> 00:06:33.740 It's free electricity to them that they sell 00:06:33.740 --> 00:06:36.080 to our neighbors at a massive profit. 00:06:36.080 --> 00:06:38.280 And in fact, the grid would collapse during the summer 00:06:38.280 --> 00:06:39.980 if solar didn't exist. 00:06:39.980 --> 00:06:42.090 There are only two opponents to solar, 00:06:42.090 --> 00:06:43.710 utility companies that are threatened 00:06:43.710 --> 00:06:45.900 because their predatory rates and practices 00:06:45.900 --> 00:06:49.430 drive consumers to solar and the electrical unions 00:06:49.430 --> 00:06:52.020 who oppose solar because the vast majority of the million 00:06:52.020 --> 00:06:56.770 plus solar installations were installed by non-union labor. 00:06:56.770 --> 00:06:58.410 It's your job to put the best interests 00:06:58.410 --> 00:07:00.080 of California's consumers first. 00:07:00.080 --> 00:07:03.620 So please do your job and protect consumers from monopolies. 00:07:03.620 --> 00:07:07.690 Opposed NEM as proposed by the utilities and the unions. 00:07:07.690 --> 00:07:08.523 Thank you. 00:07:09.370 --> 00:07:10.203 Thank you. 00:07:10.203 --> 00:07:11.683 Operator, next caller please. 00:07:14.598 --> 00:07:16.230 Our next caller is Steven Pope. 00:07:16.230 --> 00:07:17.080 You may go ahead. 00:07:18.650 --> 00:07:20.010 Good afternoon. 00:07:20.010 --> 00:07:24.150 When California deregulated electric utilities in 1996 00:07:24.150 --> 00:07:27.200 citizens were promised lower rates through competition 00:07:27.200 --> 00:07:29.780 and investor supported the infrastructure. 00:07:29.780 --> 00:07:31.950 While the utilities quickly reneged on this agreement, 00:07:31.950 --> 00:07:33.510 not to raise their rates. 00:07:33.510 --> 00:07:35.460 And we're now only realizing how badly 00:07:35.460 --> 00:07:37.760 the infrastructure is neglected. 00:07:37.760 --> 00:07:39.430 Fast forward into current events. 00:07:39.430 --> 00:07:42.400 We see Southern California Edison's rates and fees 00:07:42.400 --> 00:07:45.120 increasing to finance infrastructure, Pete, 00:07:45.120 --> 00:07:48.730 while their regular stockholder dividends steadily rise. 00:07:48.730 --> 00:07:53.730 My tone of OHI was 100% surrounded by the 2017 Thomas fire, 00:07:54.060 --> 00:07:55.973 which was sparked by Southern California 00:07:55.973 --> 00:07:57.573 Edison's antiquated equipment. 00:07:58.730 --> 00:08:01.160 My wife and I live in a senior subject development 00:08:01.160 --> 00:08:04.140 where I operate an amateur radio emergency service hub, 00:08:04.140 --> 00:08:06.970 and hope to offer a cool house to our neighbors in the event 00:08:06.970 --> 00:08:09.393 of another power outage during a heat emergency. 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:13.060 I'd like to stress that widespread solar panels 00:08:13.060 --> 00:08:16.360 decrease the cost of long distance power lines, 00:08:16.360 --> 00:08:18.920 saving utilities millions of dollars. 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:21.040 And to remind you that the state has set a goal 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:24.130 of a 100% clean energy by 2045, 00:08:24.130 --> 00:08:27.450 why would you move in the opposite direction? 00:08:27.450 --> 00:08:28.940 Thank you very much. 00:08:28.940 --> 00:08:30.893 Operator, next caller please. 00:08:36.130 --> 00:08:37.930 Our next caller is Heather Hoff. 00:08:37.930 --> 00:08:38.780 You may go ahead. 00:08:40.690 --> 00:08:41.523 Hi. 00:08:41.523 --> 00:08:43.760 I care about climate change and clean energy. 00:08:43.760 --> 00:08:45.670 I want more clean energy 00:08:45.670 --> 00:08:47.440 and this here's something different for you. 00:08:47.440 --> 00:08:49.970 Adding more solar right now isn't helping. 00:08:49.970 --> 00:08:52.180 I urge everyone on this call to clean is look at the ISO 00:08:52.180 --> 00:08:55.180 today app from the California system operator, 00:08:55.180 --> 00:08:57.660 which clearly shows a huge peak of solar every day. 00:08:57.660 --> 00:08:58.760 That's great. 00:08:58.760 --> 00:09:01.140 What's not great is the even bigger peak 00:09:01.140 --> 00:09:04.530 of natural gas and imports after the sunset. 00:09:04.530 --> 00:09:07.060 This time is where we need more clean energy 00:09:07.060 --> 00:09:08.930 and solar can't provide it. 00:09:08.930 --> 00:09:11.550 We can't fix our climate and lower emissions 00:09:11.550 --> 00:09:12.683 with good intentions. 00:09:13.560 --> 00:09:16.250 I'm honestly sorry for all those that have built 00:09:16.250 --> 00:09:19.810 businesses and careers that now feel threatened. 00:09:19.810 --> 00:09:22.570 But as unpopular as this might seem, 00:09:22.570 --> 00:09:24.640 the net metering program is broken. 00:09:24.640 --> 00:09:27.120 And this is just the start in the right direction. 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:30.070 Removal of the subsidy is not attacked. 00:09:30.070 --> 00:09:32.610 I support pane solar owners appropriately 00:09:32.610 --> 00:09:34.600 for the electricity they generate. 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:38.270 I also care about social justice and see how everyone, 00:09:38.270 --> 00:09:42.460 even those who do not benefit is currently paying for it. 00:09:42.460 --> 00:09:44.580 We need clean energy technology that can deliver 00:09:44.580 --> 00:09:47.570 when we need it and the solar industry. 00:09:47.570 --> 00:09:49.031 It's your chance to prove it. 00:09:49.031 --> 00:09:49.864 Thank you. 00:09:49.864 --> 00:09:51.083 Thank you very much. 00:09:51.083 --> 00:09:53.153 Operator, next caller please. 00:09:56.170 --> 00:09:58.510 Our next caller is from Sarah Greenwell. 00:09:58.510 --> 00:09:59.360 You may go ahead. 00:10:01.970 --> 00:10:03.130 Hello. 00:10:03.130 --> 00:10:04.680 My name is Sarah Greenwell. 00:10:04.680 --> 00:10:06.610 I live in San Francisco county 00:10:06.610 --> 00:10:08.900 and I'm scared about climate change. 00:10:08.900 --> 00:10:11.700 I'm also scared about what will happen 00:10:11.700 --> 00:10:14.350 as the crisis gets worse and we're scrambling 00:10:14.350 --> 00:10:17.000 over each other to do what has to be done 00:10:18.040 --> 00:10:20.450 including improve as what said improve 00:10:20.450 --> 00:10:24.770 the storage power that we have for home solar. 00:10:24.770 --> 00:10:29.040 But home solar is the gentlest way for us to go solar 00:10:29.040 --> 00:10:34.040 without taking a lot of space in the desert for solar panels 00:10:34.580 --> 00:10:39.467 or just committing a lot of rushed errors. 00:10:41.030 --> 00:10:44.000 So, I oppose the proposed decision. 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:46.430 We don't need a solar tax. 00:10:46.430 --> 00:10:50.320 We need to make solar more affordable for working 00:10:50.320 --> 00:10:52.750 and middle class households. 00:10:52.750 --> 00:10:56.640 We must honor the existing 20 year protection 00:10:56.640 --> 00:10:58.053 for solar users. 00:10:59.400 --> 00:11:01.440 And by the way, the fossil fuel companies 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:04.750 must start planning, training their workers 00:11:04.750 --> 00:11:07.870 to shift to the many other uses that can be made, 00:11:07.870 --> 00:11:10.620 must be made of their equipment and knowhow. 00:11:10.620 --> 00:11:12.544 There's no getting around it. 00:11:12.544 --> 00:11:13.770 Thank you. 00:11:13.770 --> 00:11:14.603 Thank you. 00:11:15.460 --> 00:11:16.293 Operator? 00:11:16.293 --> 00:11:17.273 Next caller, please. 00:11:19.740 --> 00:11:22.440 Our next caller is John spasky. 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:23.403 You may go ahead. 00:11:26.390 --> 00:11:28.370 My name is John spasky, 00:11:28.370 --> 00:11:30.810 I'm resident of San Lupo. 00:11:30.810 --> 00:11:32.810 I'm opposed to the recommended decision that places 00:11:32.810 --> 00:11:36.420 an owner grid access charge of solar customers. 00:11:36.420 --> 00:11:38.207 Solar should be affordable to working 00:11:38.207 --> 00:11:40.330 and middle class households. 00:11:40.330 --> 00:11:43.040 rooftop solar has played in a critical role in reducing 00:11:43.040 --> 00:11:46.290 California's climate greenhouse gas emissions, 00:11:46.290 --> 00:11:48.640 and needs to play an expanded role as California's 00:11:48.640 --> 00:11:51.040 to meet its climate change goals. 00:11:51.040 --> 00:11:54.110 The recommended decision is based on a recently updated now 00:11:54.110 --> 00:11:58.320 floor avoided cost calculated that distorts and understands 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:00.800 the value of rooftop solar. 00:12:00.800 --> 00:12:03.930 As a result, the decision is flawed, myopic, 00:12:03.930 --> 00:12:05.160 and needs to be revisited. 00:12:05.160 --> 00:12:05.993 Thank you. 00:12:06.860 --> 00:12:07.740 Thank you. 00:12:07.740 --> 00:12:09.240 Operator, next caller, please. 00:12:10.940 --> 00:12:13.540 Our next caller is Dolores Diaz. You may go ahead. 00:12:20.470 --> 00:12:21.303 Good afternoon. 00:12:21.303 --> 00:12:22.850 Can you hear me? 00:12:22.850 --> 00:12:24.180 Yes we can, please proceed. 00:12:24.180 --> 00:12:25.013 Thank you. 00:12:25.013 --> 00:12:25.846 Thank you very much. 00:12:25.846 --> 00:12:30.670 My name is Dolores Diaz and I am a homeowner in Chula Vista. 00:12:32.310 --> 00:12:34.880 And the purpose of my comment today 00:12:34.880 --> 00:12:38.007 is I want to echo whatever has said. 00:12:38.007 --> 00:12:42.290 I like many others rarely practice public comment, 00:12:42.290 --> 00:12:44.910 but the proposed decision to impose the solar taxes 00:12:44.910 --> 00:12:48.190 compels me to come and address you and the Governor today, 00:12:48.190 --> 00:12:51.430 I carefully weigh the crafted arguments 00:12:51.430 --> 00:12:53.060 posed by the utilities companies. 00:12:53.060 --> 00:12:56.200 And I can assure you that for every utility company 00:12:56.200 --> 00:12:58.940 argument, there's a stronger counter from the people. 00:12:58.940 --> 00:13:01.780 I'm raising my voice today to plead that you not impose 00:13:01.780 --> 00:13:04.040 any solar tax, not a cent. 00:13:04.040 --> 00:13:08.000 If you do, you'll hurt me and thousands of others like me, 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:10.200 we don't have the resources to buy the ads 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:12.080 that influence decision makers. 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:15.080 So Governor Newsom, you said more work needs to be done. 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:15.913 It's simple. 00:13:15.913 --> 00:13:18.720 Be courageous and say no to solar tax. 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:20.270 Scrap the proposal. 00:13:20.270 --> 00:13:22.250 Be the hero we need you to be. 00:13:22.250 --> 00:13:23.373 Thank you very much. 00:13:24.220 --> 00:13:25.250 Thank you. 00:13:25.250 --> 00:13:27.017 Operator, next caller please. 00:13:28.730 --> 00:13:30.330 Our next caller is Jeremy Pearl. 00:13:30.330 --> 00:13:31.273 You may go ahead. 00:13:32.400 --> 00:13:33.233 Hello. 00:13:33.233 --> 00:13:34.066 My name is Jeremy Pearl. 00:13:34.066 --> 00:13:36.410 I'm the sales manager at Sandbar Solar here in California. 00:13:36.410 --> 00:13:38.500 I've been in the solar industry for over 15 years 00:13:38.500 --> 00:13:41.050 and Sandbar Solar has been in business since 2004. 00:13:41.050 --> 00:13:43.000 The current proposed net metering policy changes 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:44.990 would devastate the solar industry in California 00:13:44.990 --> 00:13:47.350 and would decimate our 50 plus person company 00:13:47.350 --> 00:13:50.300 along with 60,000 solar jobs including my own. 00:13:50.300 --> 00:13:52.390 Growth and survival of solar plus storage market 00:13:52.390 --> 00:13:54.270 requires sound and forward thinking leadership 00:13:54.270 --> 00:13:55.630 from our policy makers. 00:13:55.630 --> 00:13:58.410 The current proposed decision to NEM 3.0 00:13:58.410 --> 00:14:01.120 must be significantly revised or rewritten entirely 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:04.210 with honest inclusion of voices and interest from all sides, 00:14:04.210 --> 00:14:06.450 your job is to advocate for and create policy 00:14:06.450 --> 00:14:08.130 for the citizens of California. 00:14:08.130 --> 00:14:10.200 The current PD does not... does the opposite. 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:11.640 The current PD does the opposite. 00:14:11.640 --> 00:14:12.680 Here's what we want. 00:14:12.680 --> 00:14:14.760 Eliminate the punitive monthly solar fees, 00:14:14.760 --> 00:14:17.580 structure a gradual step down across many years 00:14:17.580 --> 00:14:18.413 for the rate. 00:14:18.413 --> 00:14:20.640 Customers are credited for that solar energy, 00:14:20.640 --> 00:14:23.650 scrap the one sided ACC as it is deeply flawed. 00:14:23.650 --> 00:14:25.920 Lastly, maintain the 20 year grandfathering period 00:14:25.920 --> 00:14:27.760 for NEM one and named customers. 00:14:27.760 --> 00:14:29.950 The proposed changes to them will make a rooftop solar 00:14:29.950 --> 00:14:31.240 too expensive and unattainable 00:14:31.240 --> 00:14:32.690 for low and middle class families. 00:14:32.690 --> 00:14:35.740 Making solar luxury only the rich can afford. 00:14:35.740 --> 00:14:38.070 This would lead to the demise of our thriving industry. 00:14:38.070 --> 00:14:39.560 Is this how the Commissioners wish to leave 00:14:39.560 --> 00:14:40.940 their mark on our state? 00:14:40.940 --> 00:14:42.860 We need NEM three proposal... (bell ringing) 00:14:42.860 --> 00:14:45.260 Thank you very much for hearing my comments. 00:14:45.260 --> 00:14:46.093 Thank you. 00:14:46.093 --> 00:14:47.633 Operator, next caller please. 00:14:49.220 --> 00:14:51.510 Our next caller is Mark Hidinger. 00:14:51.510 --> 00:14:52.360 You may go ahead. 00:14:54.130 --> 00:14:54.963 Thank you. 00:14:54.963 --> 00:14:55.912 Yes. 00:14:55.912 --> 00:14:58.930 My name is Mark Hidinger from San Diego, California, 00:14:58.930 --> 00:15:02.160 and to prepare ourselves for retirement 00:15:02.160 --> 00:15:05.380 and reduce our monthly cost 15 years ago, 00:15:05.380 --> 00:15:08.070 my wife and I purchased a solar system at a cost 00:15:08.070 --> 00:15:11.740 of over $30,000 after all incentives. 00:15:11.740 --> 00:15:12.573 Two years ago, 00:15:12.573 --> 00:15:17.573 we added an additional $10,000 to purchase batteries. 00:15:17.600 --> 00:15:20.900 We have two electric cars, now that we are retired 00:15:20.900 --> 00:15:22.080 and on a fixed income, 00:15:22.080 --> 00:15:24.790 the electric companies wanna now increase our monthly costs 00:15:24.790 --> 00:15:27.710 and charge us for doing the right thing. 00:15:27.710 --> 00:15:28.543 Thank you. 00:15:30.080 --> 00:15:32.313 Thank you, Operator next caller please. 00:15:35.082 --> 00:15:36.810 Our next caller is Suzanne Saunders. 00:15:36.810 --> 00:15:37.660 You may go ahead. 00:15:38.678 --> 00:15:40.530 [Suzanne Saunders] Hi, my name is Suey Saunders 00:15:40.530 --> 00:15:42.990 and I'm with indivisible Ross valley. 00:15:42.990 --> 00:15:45.760 The new proposal must include no solar tax 00:15:45.760 --> 00:15:47.840 of any kind, not one cent. 00:15:47.840 --> 00:15:50.410 My representatives, hus, Huffman and Feinstein, 00:15:50.410 --> 00:15:52.590 and many other state and federal politicians 00:15:52.590 --> 00:15:54.380 approach of proposal. 00:15:54.380 --> 00:15:56.490 They understand that is a utility lie 00:15:56.490 --> 00:15:59.180 that lower income residents pay for the energy 00:15:59.180 --> 00:16:01.140 provided by rooftop solar. 00:16:01.140 --> 00:16:03.920 I borrowed 20,000 to install solar panels 00:16:03.920 --> 00:16:06.860 so I could charge my electric vehicle cleanly. 00:16:06.860 --> 00:16:09.730 Electric vehicles can act as battery storage 00:16:09.730 --> 00:16:11.940 for solar, so they can solve the need 00:16:11.940 --> 00:16:14.440 for rooftop solar storage. 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:17.090 Utilities are adding storage stations to harness 00:16:17.090 --> 00:16:21.830 this rooftop solar and use this clean power source at night. 00:16:21.830 --> 00:16:23.760 The real rise in electricity bills 00:16:23.760 --> 00:16:27.400 is due to utility caused fires. 00:16:27.400 --> 00:16:30.960 Utilities will need more lines causing these fires 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:33.670 if we depend on distant solar farms to avoid 00:16:33.670 --> 00:16:35.900 polluting fossil fuels. 00:16:35.900 --> 00:16:39.380 Utilities cannot produce or buy enough clean energy 00:16:39.380 --> 00:16:41.030 to replace what would be lost 00:16:41.030 --> 00:16:43.250 from a declining rooftop, solar. 00:16:43.250 --> 00:16:45.060 California (alarm ringing) when you set aside 00:16:45.060 --> 00:16:46.855 a quarter of its plan to clean solar energy. 00:16:46.855 --> 00:16:49.021 (indistinct) Thank you. 00:16:49.021 --> 00:16:50.420 Thank you. 00:16:50.420 --> 00:16:52.207 Operator next caller please. 00:16:53.220 --> 00:16:54.610 Our next caller is Kevin Moore. 00:16:54.610 --> 00:16:55.513 You may ahead. 00:16:56.970 --> 00:16:58.150 Dear Commissioners, 00:16:58.150 --> 00:17:00.250 thank you for the opportunity to speak on behalf 00:17:00.250 --> 00:17:03.480 of the 1.2 million working class homeowners in California 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:07.190 who have invested in the future of our environment. 00:17:07.190 --> 00:17:08.290 My name is Kevin Moore. 00:17:08.290 --> 00:17:09.870 I'm a California resident living 00:17:09.870 --> 00:17:12.140 in an unincorporated Santa Rosa. 00:17:12.140 --> 00:17:14.540 Due to the inconsistency of the power grid. 00:17:14.540 --> 00:17:17.450 The rising cost utilities and is importantly 00:17:17.450 --> 00:17:18.960 to reduce carbon emissions. 00:17:18.960 --> 00:17:21.983 I installed solar panels on my roof last year. 00:17:22.900 --> 00:17:26.250 This investment was considerable, considering my income. 00:17:26.250 --> 00:17:28.310 I was excited to become more self-sufficient 00:17:28.310 --> 00:17:29.770 with my electrical needs, 00:17:29.770 --> 00:17:32.070 provide a power source at the point of use 00:17:32.070 --> 00:17:35.270 and reduce greenhouse gases to help the environment. 00:17:35.270 --> 00:17:38.360 I understand there's a proposal to add a tax 00:17:38.360 --> 00:17:40.870 to my utility bill and reduce the benefits 00:17:40.870 --> 00:17:42.760 for adding rooftop solar. 00:17:42.760 --> 00:17:44.800 This would be a very poor decision on the part 00:17:44.800 --> 00:17:46.800 of the Commission and Governor Newsom. 00:17:46.800 --> 00:17:50.010 It would contradict the state and federal energy policies 00:17:50.010 --> 00:17:52.450 of the last few decades and undermine 00:17:52.450 --> 00:17:56.023 our community's efforts to promote rooftop solar energy. 00:17:57.472 --> 00:17:58.920 Please don't let all the working class homers 00:17:58.920 --> 00:18:01.793 out of pocket investments go to the pocket 00:18:01.793 --> 00:18:03.050 (bell alarm ringing) of the poorly managed utility 00:18:03.050 --> 00:18:04.060 companies and their shareholders. 00:18:04.060 --> 00:18:05.042 Thank you. 00:18:05.042 --> 00:18:06.310 Thank you for your comments. 00:18:06.310 --> 00:18:07.883 Operator, next caller, please. 00:18:09.840 --> 00:18:11.650 Our next caller is Earl Hoffler. 00:18:11.650 --> 00:18:12.500 You may go ahead. 00:18:17.500 --> 00:18:19.600 Hi, is that Earl Koffler? 00:18:20.560 --> 00:18:21.457 Yes, please proceed. 00:18:21.457 --> 00:18:23.120 (indistinct) 00:18:23.120 --> 00:18:24.500 Hello? 00:18:24.500 --> 00:18:26.940 Yes, we can hear you please proceed. 00:18:26.940 --> 00:18:27.773 Hi. 00:18:27.773 --> 00:18:28.670 I was just about to send an email 00:18:28.670 --> 00:18:30.030 'cause I have to get off the line 00:18:30.030 --> 00:18:32.159 I've been waiting for over four hours, 00:18:32.159 --> 00:18:32.992 four and a half hours. 00:18:32.992 --> 00:18:35.590 I'm a retire fixed income who recently invested 00:18:35.590 --> 00:18:37.340 in solar in my personal home. 00:18:37.340 --> 00:18:39.670 I'm very upset about the proposed law and certainly 00:18:39.670 --> 00:18:42.260 would not have invested in solar in this law. 00:18:42.260 --> 00:18:44.790 Bottom line, I urge you not to change the regulations 00:18:44.790 --> 00:18:49.790 to tax or place fees in solar and in any shape or form. 00:18:50.180 --> 00:18:52.320 If changes are made, I urge tax sources 00:18:52.320 --> 00:18:54.810 of fuel using fossil fuels to recognize 00:18:54.810 --> 00:18:57.873 their environmental impacts and other negative effects. 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:01.330 I think you should find ways so that the utilities actually 00:19:01.330 --> 00:19:04.280 pay solar a fair price for their energy into the grid. 00:19:04.280 --> 00:19:06.390 The regulation goals should be that the power utilities 00:19:06.390 --> 00:19:09.170 become maintainers of the grid rather than making money 00:19:09.170 --> 00:19:13.893 on energy production or tax where it came from. 00:19:14.980 --> 00:19:17.330 I would like to propose... to point out that the proposed 00:19:17.330 --> 00:19:19.390 changes would wish in our state's increasing problem 00:19:19.390 --> 00:19:21.210 with rolling blackouts due to peak energy 00:19:21.210 --> 00:19:22.780 uses through the summer. 00:19:22.780 --> 00:19:26.160 We have been helping this, but the regulation penalizes us. 00:19:26.160 --> 00:19:28.707 And finally, please don't retroactively impact me 00:19:28.707 --> 00:19:31.860 and the other eight percent or so solar contributors 00:19:31.860 --> 00:19:34.240 who justified in the decisions based 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:36.432 on the existing incentives. 00:19:36.432 --> 00:19:38.618 Thank you. (alarm ringing) 00:19:38.618 --> 00:19:39.719 Thank you. 00:19:39.719 --> 00:19:42.136 Operator, next caller please. 00:19:44.477 --> 00:19:46.110 Our next caller is Robert Long. 00:19:46.110 --> 00:19:46.960 You may go ahead. 00:19:48.260 --> 00:19:49.273 Oh, thank you very much 00:19:49.273 --> 00:19:53.300 for taking my call and to the Commissioners themselves. 00:19:53.300 --> 00:19:56.980 My name is Robert Long with pet California, 00:19:56.980 --> 00:20:00.460 and I also represent Gwen and Allen brown 00:20:00.460 --> 00:20:02.800 of Apto and with grandkids. 00:20:02.800 --> 00:20:07.340 And I would just like to say that with great expense, 00:20:07.340 --> 00:20:11.520 both of us have put solar power on our roof. 00:20:11.520 --> 00:20:16.507 And I don't think it's fair that PG&E 00:20:18.660 --> 00:20:23.130 who has disrespected the state and burned down 00:20:23.130 --> 00:20:25.983 so much of our town and cities 00:20:29.557 --> 00:20:33.057 and I don't think they should be rewarded. 00:20:34.184 --> 00:20:37.980 So thank you very much for listening to me right now. 00:20:37.980 --> 00:20:38.920 Thank you. 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:40.370 Operator, next caller please. 00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:45.460 Our next caller is Mara Felsen. 00:20:45.460 --> 00:20:46.310 You may go ahead. 00:20:49.020 --> 00:20:50.620 I'm a homeowner in San Diego 00:20:50.620 --> 00:20:52.846 upset to see the CPuC considering decimating 00:20:52.846 --> 00:20:54.810 the solar industry. 00:20:54.810 --> 00:20:57.170 Every article, every case study everywhere 00:20:57.170 --> 00:20:58.470 that has done what you're considering 00:20:58.470 --> 00:21:00.440 has shown to be a massive failure, 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:02.970 unless your intention is to kill the industry. 00:21:02.970 --> 00:21:06.550 Government action drives behavior incentives put over 00:21:06.550 --> 00:21:09.440 a million for arrays on spawn rooftops in California 00:21:09.440 --> 00:21:12.530 and removal of incentives will reverse this progress. 00:21:12.530 --> 00:21:14.550 Likewise, the failure of government terrain 00:21:14.550 --> 00:21:17.450 and bad actors has compounded the problem. 00:21:17.450 --> 00:21:20.600 Year after year PG&E causes one monumental disaster 00:21:20.600 --> 00:21:23.340 after another with virtually no consequences, 00:21:23.340 --> 00:21:26.070 but rather than maintain their failing decrepit lines 00:21:26.070 --> 00:21:28.210 they pay themselves massive multi million dollar 00:21:28.210 --> 00:21:32.210 bonuses instead, all the while being saved from bankruptcy. 00:21:32.210 --> 00:21:34.500 How many monumental deadly screwups do we 00:21:34.500 --> 00:21:36.940 as citizens of California and ratepayers 00:21:36.940 --> 00:21:39.500 of this monopolistic utility have to endure? 00:21:39.500 --> 00:21:42.390 Or do we just have to keep paying higher and higher rates 00:21:42.390 --> 00:21:44.890 to a reckless utility that is apparently incapable 00:21:44.890 --> 00:21:47.610 of keeping us safe or managing an ever increasing 00:21:47.610 --> 00:21:49.580 pot of money that we all fund. 00:21:49.580 --> 00:21:51.730 This is Grotes governmental failure. 00:21:51.730 --> 00:21:53.040 Please, reverse course. 00:21:53.040 --> 00:21:53.873 Thank you. 00:21:55.010 --> 00:21:55.843 Thank you. 00:21:55.843 --> 00:21:57.123 Operator, next caller please. 00:21:59.210 --> 00:22:01.530 Our next caller is Andrew Baskin. 00:22:01.530 --> 00:22:02.380 You may go ahead. 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:04.513 Hi there. 00:22:04.513 --> 00:22:07.200 I'm Andrew Baskin a homeowner in Menlo park, California. 00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:09.823 I urge you to reject the current proposal and any proposal 00:22:09.823 --> 00:22:12.370 that taxes people just 'cause they happen 00:22:12.370 --> 00:22:14.060 to own solar panels. 00:22:14.060 --> 00:22:16.540 We have a small solar array installed in 2007 00:22:16.540 --> 00:22:20.840 that provides only about 20% of our total electricity usage. 00:22:20.840 --> 00:22:23.850 We can't have a larger system because of surrounding trees, 00:22:23.850 --> 00:22:26.200 but we wanted to do what was right for the environment 00:22:26.200 --> 00:22:29.140 and to reduce our use of electricity from PG&E. 00:22:29.140 --> 00:22:31.040 So, we put a it in at our own expense. 00:22:32.130 --> 00:22:34.300 If the NEM proposal was adopted, 00:22:34.300 --> 00:22:36.270 the only economic choice for us 00:22:36.270 --> 00:22:39.210 and for many others like us with small systems 00:22:39.210 --> 00:22:41.170 would be to deCommission our solar panels 00:22:41.170 --> 00:22:42.630 and disconnect them. 00:22:42.630 --> 00:22:44.950 This is not the right direction for our state. 00:22:44.950 --> 00:22:46.960 The best choice for the environment and for utility 00:22:46.960 --> 00:22:49.740 ratepayers is to have distributed power generation 00:22:49.740 --> 00:22:51.890 and solar on rooftops, 00:22:51.890 --> 00:22:55.070 not industrial PV projects covering countryside, 00:22:55.070 --> 00:22:57.380 and certainly not fossil fuel plants. 00:22:57.380 --> 00:22:59.810 Please reject this proposal and any proposal 00:22:59.810 --> 00:23:03.280 that taxes solar panels. 00:23:03.280 --> 00:23:04.870 Thanks. 00:23:04.870 --> 00:23:05.703 Thank you. 00:23:05.703 --> 00:23:07.133 Operator, next caller please. 00:23:08.530 --> 00:23:10.230 Our next caller is Tom Whitehead. 00:23:10.230 --> 00:23:11.063 You may go ahead 00:23:19.170 --> 00:23:20.090 Again, Tom Whitehead. 00:23:20.090 --> 00:23:21.350 Your line is open. 00:23:21.350 --> 00:23:22.850 Please check your mute button. 00:23:23.990 --> 00:23:24.950 Yes. 00:23:24.950 --> 00:23:28.850 I have a rooftop solar system in San Francisco 00:23:28.850 --> 00:23:33.720 and I'm most concerned about the climate implications 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:36.793 of the current NEM proposal. 00:23:40.130 --> 00:23:45.130 I will be negatively impacted by the increased punitive fees 00:23:45.630 --> 00:23:47.630 for owning a solar system, 00:23:47.630 --> 00:23:49.790 but that doesn't bother me as much as the fact 00:23:49.790 --> 00:23:54.590 that the proposed NEM structure will disincentivize 00:23:55.910 --> 00:23:59.970 new distributed solar throughout California. 00:23:59.970 --> 00:24:03.380 We need more distributed solar and not less. 00:24:03.380 --> 00:24:05.950 We need the jobs and technology 00:24:05.950 --> 00:24:09.430 and manufacturing that this produces. 00:24:09.430 --> 00:24:13.780 We will need to maximize solar and make use of all 00:24:13.780 --> 00:24:17.110 space available for it rather than focusing 00:24:17.110 --> 00:24:20.490 exclusively on big industrial installations 00:24:20.490 --> 00:24:23.673 that encroach upon open space. 00:24:24.570 --> 00:24:28.369 I feel that the CPUC has been listening too much 00:24:28.369 --> 00:24:31.110 (alram wringing) to the IOUs and not enough to citizens. 00:24:31.110 --> 00:24:32.301 Thank you for your comment. 00:24:32.301 --> 00:24:33.134 Thank you. 00:24:33.134 --> 00:24:33.967 Thank you very much. 00:24:33.967 --> 00:24:35.413 Operator, next caller please. 00:24:38.490 --> 00:24:40.720 Our next caller is Elena waters. 00:24:40.720 --> 00:24:41.570 You may go ahead. 00:24:43.060 --> 00:24:43.893 Oh, wow. 00:24:43.893 --> 00:24:44.810 Finally. 00:24:44.810 --> 00:24:45.970 So, good afternoon. 00:24:45.970 --> 00:24:48.190 Thank you so much for taking my call. 00:24:48.190 --> 00:24:49.180 My public comment. 00:24:49.180 --> 00:24:51.300 So, I'm concerned about the fact that the public 00:24:51.300 --> 00:24:53.460 was not properly notified about this 00:24:53.460 --> 00:24:54.957 because it's going to impact us. 00:24:54.957 --> 00:24:57.330 And I feel we had a right to be notified prior 00:24:57.330 --> 00:24:59.193 to this going through like it is. 00:25:00.330 --> 00:25:01.570 I read through the documents. 00:25:01.570 --> 00:25:05.150 There's no provisions for medical baseline customers in it, 00:25:05.150 --> 00:25:06.300 low income programs, 00:25:06.300 --> 00:25:08.280 even though they're meant they're not available. 00:25:08.280 --> 00:25:11.370 I've applied three times more recently, 00:25:11.370 --> 00:25:13.870 the most recent denial was on 124 00:25:13.870 --> 00:25:16.680 that they do not service the PG&E area. 00:25:16.680 --> 00:25:19.850 My PG&E bill is between 55 and $90. 00:25:19.850 --> 00:25:22.180 The program would cost about $64 00:25:22.180 --> 00:25:24.650 for an eight kilowatt system for me. 00:25:24.650 --> 00:25:27.044 In addition to that agenda number, 00:25:27.044 --> 00:25:32.044 ID number 20295, they're asking for a 26.22 cent 00:25:33.230 --> 00:25:35.200 increase per kilowatt, 00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:37.040 which is gonna make this substantial. 00:25:37.040 --> 00:25:40.360 And it's already gonna hurt people on time of use. 00:25:40.360 --> 00:25:43.240 Customers are gonna be left with no choice, 00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:45.560 but to go off grid to a hybrid system. 00:25:45.560 --> 00:25:48.070 And that means that in the excess electricity 00:25:48.070 --> 00:25:51.546 is not gonna be fed back to the grid. 00:25:51.546 --> 00:25:53.000 (alarm ringing) 00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:53.833 Okay. 00:25:53.833 --> 00:25:54.731 Thank you so much. 00:25:54.731 --> 00:25:55.564 Have a good day. 00:25:55.564 --> 00:25:56.397 Thank you. 00:25:56.397 --> 00:25:57.740 Operator, next caller please. 00:26:00.430 --> 00:26:03.350 Our next caller is Doug Rodman. 00:26:03.350 --> 00:26:04.200 You may go ahead. 00:26:05.860 --> 00:26:06.693 Thank you. 00:26:06.693 --> 00:26:10.340 My name is Doug Rodman and I own eco solar in Concuet. 00:26:10.340 --> 00:26:12.820 I've been in the solar industry for 42 years 00:26:12.820 --> 00:26:16.263 and I'm happy to be on the longest phone call I've ever had. 00:26:17.260 --> 00:26:19.050 Aside from all the other reasons 00:26:19.050 --> 00:26:21.510 that global warming is a bad idea. 00:26:21.510 --> 00:26:23.560 The additional fires that causes 00:26:23.560 --> 00:26:26.830 are responsible for the egregious suffering 00:26:26.830 --> 00:26:30.410 of all other animal species who don't know how to leave 00:26:30.410 --> 00:26:33.720 all their possessions behind and run to safety. 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:36.860 Very few of them make it out alive during a fire, 00:26:36.860 --> 00:26:41.260 a baby Fox, Coyote or Wolf is no different than your dog. 00:26:41.260 --> 00:26:44.370 Please, can we start to think of the entire ecosystem 00:26:44.370 --> 00:26:47.020 rather than just corporate profit margins? 00:26:47.020 --> 00:26:48.730 Don't cut solar incentives, 00:26:48.730 --> 00:26:52.160 right when the environmental healing has just begun. 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:55.170 Doubling incentives makes far better sense. 00:26:55.170 --> 00:26:57.530 Mother nature deserves far more respect 00:26:57.530 --> 00:26:58.460 than we have shown her. 00:26:58.460 --> 00:27:01.830 She has given us every single thing we have. 00:27:01.830 --> 00:27:03.030 Thank you for listening. 00:27:03.970 --> 00:27:04.820 Thank you. 00:27:04.820 --> 00:27:06.517 Operator, next caller please.. 00:27:08.069 --> 00:27:09.610 Our next caller is John Presley. 00:27:09.610 --> 00:27:10.463 You may go ahead. 00:27:12.770 --> 00:27:13.603 Hi. 00:27:13.603 --> 00:27:14.930 My name is John Presley. 00:27:14.930 --> 00:27:19.290 I live in Monterey and work for solar technologies. 00:27:19.290 --> 00:27:22.240 I've dedicated the past 15 years of my career 00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:24.030 to helping nonprofit profits, 00:27:24.030 --> 00:27:26.000 small and medium business owners reduce 00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:27.840 their electricity expenses with clean, 00:27:27.840 --> 00:27:30.820 renewable onsite, solar energy. 00:27:30.820 --> 00:27:33.220 The rooftop solar and industry has enabled me 00:27:33.220 --> 00:27:34.960 to provide for my family, 00:27:34.960 --> 00:27:37.320 become a homeowner and know that my efforts 00:27:37.320 --> 00:27:39.220 every day help mitigate the worst effects 00:27:39.220 --> 00:27:41.310 of climate change ensuring... 00:27:51.950 --> 00:27:54.553 And it looks like his line is disconnected. 00:27:55.730 --> 00:27:57.020 Please go to the next caller. 00:27:57.020 --> 00:27:57.993 Thank you operator. 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:02.140 Next caller is a Patricia Saban. 00:28:02.140 --> 00:28:02.990 You may go ahead. 00:28:06.110 --> 00:28:07.630 I am Patricia Shaban 00:28:07.630 --> 00:28:09.890 from Walla Walla, California, 00:28:09.890 --> 00:28:14.300 and has had rooftop solar on my home for years. 00:28:14.300 --> 00:28:18.400 Commissioners, this grid participation charges outrageous. 00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:21.410 We need to continue to support solar clean power, 00:28:21.410 --> 00:28:24.040 to slow global warming, to protect open space 00:28:24.040 --> 00:28:27.023 and reduce the need for costly investment in the grid. 00:28:29.244 --> 00:28:31.460 Burdening solar utility customers with this outrageous 00:28:31.460 --> 00:28:34.400 charge will discourage future solar installations 00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:36.740 and devastate our solar industry. 00:28:36.740 --> 00:28:40.110 Putting California behind in meeting its climate goal. 00:28:40.110 --> 00:28:41.900 Californians want clean, 00:28:41.900 --> 00:28:44.380 renewable green energy sources 00:28:45.832 --> 00:28:48.590 and it's been proven by over 1 million installations 00:28:48.590 --> 00:28:50.640 and the many successful solar companies 00:28:50.640 --> 00:28:51.970 throughout our state. 00:28:51.970 --> 00:28:55.840 Please do not approve the outrageous proposed solar tax. 00:28:55.840 --> 00:28:57.040 Thank you for listening. 00:28:59.717 --> 00:29:00.550 Thank you. 00:29:00.550 --> 00:29:01.957 Operator, next caller please. 00:29:05.140 --> 00:29:07.890 Our next caller is Julia Lurvusian. 00:29:07.890 --> 00:29:10.010 Your line is open. 00:29:10.010 --> 00:29:12.100 My name is Julia Lurvusian. 00:29:12.100 --> 00:29:16.460 I hail from a combo of San Francisco and Sonoma counties. 00:29:16.460 --> 00:29:19.010 I have found that there are usually two reasons 00:29:19.010 --> 00:29:22.970 why something goes contrary to common sense, 00:29:22.970 --> 00:29:24.763 love and money. 00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:29.430 I'm gonna go out on a limb here and rule out love. 00:29:29.430 --> 00:29:31.940 In this case, PG&E wants to cover 00:29:31.940 --> 00:29:34.280 present financial deficits, 00:29:34.280 --> 00:29:37.100 but charging more will decrease 00:29:37.100 --> 00:29:40.650 the use and installation of solar. 00:29:40.650 --> 00:29:42.680 Aside from being bad for the planet 00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:46.320 and going contrary to California climate goals, 00:29:46.320 --> 00:29:50.050 it simply goes against common sense. 00:29:50.050 --> 00:29:53.020 Please don't listen to the money. 00:29:53.020 --> 00:29:54.950 Go with common sense. 00:29:54.950 --> 00:29:57.340 Thank you for taking the time to listen 00:29:57.340 --> 00:29:58.833 to all of the commonts. 00:29:59.760 --> 00:30:00.670 Thank you. 00:30:00.670 --> 00:30:02.227 Operator, next caller please.. 00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:06.460 Our next caller is Nancy Recher. 00:30:06.460 --> 00:30:07.310 You may go ahead. 00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:12.020 Nancy Recher from Crockett 00:30:12.020 --> 00:30:13.750 and Contra Costa county. 00:30:13.750 --> 00:30:17.680 I am strongly opposed to the financially punitive 00:30:17.680 --> 00:30:19.573 rooftop solar proposal, 00:30:20.930 --> 00:30:24.400 the solar tab and the reneging of the current 00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:28.660 net metering agreement both are giant steps backwards. 00:30:28.660 --> 00:30:32.360 Not only are they out of line with California Clean Energy 00:30:32.360 --> 00:30:36.680 Program, but it is, they are clearly intended 00:30:36.680 --> 00:30:40.380 to economically benefit the current California 00:30:40.380 --> 00:30:42.620 energy companies and their shareholders 00:30:42.620 --> 00:30:47.620 at the expense of a trusting public who like me 00:30:47.830 --> 00:30:50.730 voted with their wallets when they purchased rooftop 00:30:50.730 --> 00:30:53.300 solar systems and electric cars. 00:30:53.300 --> 00:30:56.540 If you are truly serious about helping people 00:30:56.540 --> 00:30:59.020 control their energy bills, avoid blackouts 00:30:59.020 --> 00:31:01.200 and fight climate change. 00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:05.580 You need to encourage more people to install rooftop solar, 00:31:05.580 --> 00:31:09.650 not financially penalize them for doing so. 00:31:09.650 --> 00:31:13.910 Stop the cold hearted bait and switch. 00:31:13.910 --> 00:31:14.743 Thank you. 00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:17.073 Thank you, 00:31:17.073 --> 00:31:18.483 operator, next caller please. 00:31:22.460 --> 00:31:24.230 Our next caller is John Lancaster. 00:31:24.230 --> 00:31:25.093 You may go ahead. 00:31:27.380 --> 00:31:28.370 Hi, good afternoon. 00:31:28.370 --> 00:31:29.480 My name's John Lancaster. 00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:31.007 I'm a resident of Oakland, California. 00:31:31.007 --> 00:31:33.470 I'm a builder and an urban environmentalist. 00:31:33.470 --> 00:31:36.010 And as a builder, I know how many jobs are dependent 00:31:36.010 --> 00:31:39.310 on the solar industry and its ability to stay strong 00:31:39.310 --> 00:31:41.060 and keep moving forward. 00:31:41.060 --> 00:31:42.640 There's good momentum moving forward now. 00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:44.880 And many of my peers either have solar 00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.320 or leaning on adding it, as an environmentalist 00:31:47.320 --> 00:31:51.200 I would the need to footprint and continue 00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:53.300 towards meeting ourselves off lesser fuel. 00:31:54.300 --> 00:31:55.890 California is already way behind a meeting 00:31:55.890 --> 00:31:59.543 our climate goals and we cannot don't plan report 00:31:59.543 --> 00:32:03.393 or slow downs in California, signed up and board. 00:32:04.390 --> 00:32:08.810 Please don't let sports and Jerry vision a ForSight 00:32:10.167 --> 00:32:12.110 to lead the way in solar, 00:32:12.110 --> 00:32:16.990 be derailed by the CPUC in our current Governor 00:32:16.990 --> 00:32:20.480 and being a long fighter for environmentalism. 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:22.210 I just have to wonder whether or not one 00:32:22.210 --> 00:32:23.650 of the previous callers was correct, 00:32:23.650 --> 00:32:27.271 and that this is a smoke screen so that they can step back 00:32:27.271 --> 00:32:31.007 after the sun ranges at really is demand. 00:32:31.007 --> 00:32:33.626 (indistinct) (alarm ringing) 00:32:33.626 --> 00:32:34.459 Thank you. 00:32:34.459 --> 00:32:35.292 Thank you. 00:32:35.292 --> 00:32:36.633 Operator, next caller please. 00:32:38.610 --> 00:32:40.910 Our next caller is Pam Willette. 00:32:40.910 --> 00:32:41.760 You may go ahead. 00:32:44.020 --> 00:32:45.100 Hi. 00:32:45.100 --> 00:32:46.750 My name is Pam Willette. 00:32:46.750 --> 00:32:48.033 I live in Los Soso. 00:32:50.760 --> 00:32:53.400 The best thing I ever did was putting solar panels 00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:55.530 on our roof 10 years ago, 00:32:55.530 --> 00:32:57.710 that solar system was worth the cost to me 00:32:57.710 --> 00:33:01.350 because we all need to do our part to combat climate change. 00:33:01.350 --> 00:33:04.790 I'm a middle class, retired person living on a fixed income. 00:33:04.790 --> 00:33:08.180 Net metering allows people like me to afford solar. 00:33:08.180 --> 00:33:11.390 Cutting the solar credit 80% and adding a solar tax 00:33:11.390 --> 00:33:13.550 to my monthly bill will hit me hard 00:33:13.550 --> 00:33:15.300 and kill the state solar industry, 00:33:15.300 --> 00:33:18.460 hurting businesses and costing thousands of jobs. 00:33:18.460 --> 00:33:21.110 Solar rooftops like mine generate excess power 00:33:21.110 --> 00:33:22.480 that shared locally, 00:33:22.480 --> 00:33:24.320 and it actually saves millions of dollars 00:33:24.320 --> 00:33:27.010 in maintenance costs on the long distance power lines. 00:33:27.010 --> 00:33:29.310 Contrary to what they'd like you to believe. 00:33:29.310 --> 00:33:31.690 Rooftop solar preserves land resources 00:33:31.690 --> 00:33:34.080 by cutting the need for more solar farms. 00:33:34.080 --> 00:33:35.660 If California wants to meet its goal, 00:33:35.660 --> 00:33:39.550 of carbon reduction, electric cars by 2035 and preserve 00:33:39.550 --> 00:33:42.830 its natural resources in the state needs residential solar, 00:33:42.830 --> 00:33:46.160 the CPUC NEM three proposals will kill these goals 00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:47.230 and harm the environment. 00:33:47.230 --> 00:33:51.200 NEM 3.0 benefits utility companies not Californians. 00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:52.033 Thank you. 00:33:52.950 --> 00:33:54.100 Thank you. 00:33:54.100 --> 00:33:55.653 Operator, next caller please. 00:33:57.460 --> 00:33:59.430 Our next caller is Gavin Rodriguez. 00:33:59.430 --> 00:34:00.263 You may go ahead 00:34:10.500 --> 00:34:11.850 Again, Gavin Rodriguez. 00:34:11.850 --> 00:34:12.683 Your line is open. 00:34:12.683 --> 00:34:14.130 Please check your mute button. 00:34:18.690 --> 00:34:19.523 Mr. Rodriguez? 00:34:22.490 --> 00:34:24.390 Operator, let's go to the next caller. 00:34:25.930 --> 00:34:28.263 Our next caller is Becken Feehu, 00:34:29.740 --> 00:34:30.663 You may go ahead. 00:34:32.944 --> 00:34:34.510 Hello Commissioners. 00:34:34.510 --> 00:34:35.931 My name is Becken Feehu, 00:34:35.931 --> 00:34:38.780 and I'm a Davis president since 1986. 00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:42.460 I agree with all advice today and again, 00:34:42.460 --> 00:34:45.340 the solar tab CPUC need to encourage 00:34:45.340 --> 00:34:48.510 more rooftop solar, not to discourage it. 00:34:48.510 --> 00:34:50.220 I want to focus my one minute time 00:34:50.220 --> 00:34:52.420 on one aspect of the purpose change. 00:34:52.420 --> 00:34:54.580 Moving from yearly to monthly to this 00:34:55.510 --> 00:34:59.254 is not hashing as a sun cycle is yearly not monthly. 00:34:59.254 --> 00:35:02.350 We need to consider all 12 months combined when designing 00:35:02.350 --> 00:35:04.650 the most efficient of top solar system 00:35:04.650 --> 00:35:06.320 to a specific location. 00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:10.263 Doing otherwise will give efficiency and hence California 00:35:10.263 --> 00:35:13.078 clean energy goals combined with the purpose 00:35:13.078 --> 00:35:15.190 energy success generation credit. 00:35:15.190 --> 00:35:17.030 This will have a significant impact 00:35:17.030 --> 00:35:19.600 on rooftop solar return and investment. 00:35:19.600 --> 00:35:22.347 Rooftop solar has much lower on environmental impacts 00:35:22.347 --> 00:35:25.309 and large solar, also by shedding the dwelling 00:35:25.309 --> 00:35:28.868 under reduce the need for in the living space 00:35:28.868 --> 00:35:33.037 below this increased conservation and energy efficiency, 00:35:33.037 --> 00:35:36.810 it has not been properly accounted for in the analysis, 00:35:36.810 --> 00:35:38.476 push by the IOUs. 00:35:38.476 --> 00:35:39.502 (alarm ringing) 00:35:39.502 --> 00:35:41.424 Thank you for the opportunity to speak. 00:35:41.424 --> 00:35:42.257 Thank you, 00:35:42.257 --> 00:35:43.623 Operator, next caller please. 00:35:45.290 --> 00:35:47.000 Our next caller is Jessica Cravin. 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:47.853 You may go ahead. 00:35:48.890 --> 00:35:49.750 Oh my God. 00:35:49.750 --> 00:35:50.583 Wow. 00:35:50.583 --> 00:35:52.170 Hi, my name is Jessica Cravin. 00:35:52.170 --> 00:35:55.510 I'm a member of the California democratic parties, 00:35:55.510 --> 00:35:56.410 environmental caucus. 00:35:56.410 --> 00:35:57.670 I'm the you look, climate collective 00:35:57.670 --> 00:35:59.500 and a bunch of other groups. 00:35:59.500 --> 00:36:02.240 I've been waiting on hold for five hours to make comment. 00:36:02.240 --> 00:36:03.073 And you know what? 00:36:03.073 --> 00:36:06.610 I don't need to say what every other person except for one 00:36:06.610 --> 00:36:10.210 out of 400 has said so far, but I will say it again. 00:36:10.210 --> 00:36:12.990 I deeply oppose what you guys are trying to do. 00:36:12.990 --> 00:36:17.070 And I find it heartbreaking that 400 of us had to spend 00:36:17.070 --> 00:36:20.320 five hours of our day on a phone call to tell you 00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:22.340 the incredibly obvious, 00:36:22.340 --> 00:36:25.040 which is that we are in a climate catastrophes. 00:36:25.040 --> 00:36:26.410 It's not even a crisis anymore. 00:36:26.410 --> 00:36:30.550 We are experiencing climate collapse and we are here 00:36:30.550 --> 00:36:31.870 on a beautiful sunny day, 00:36:31.870 --> 00:36:35.020 begging a Commission that is supposed to be protecting 00:36:35.020 --> 00:36:37.220 the public in California, 00:36:37.220 --> 00:36:40.080 to not give into the lobbyists who are obviously 00:36:40.080 --> 00:36:42.060 calling the shot in the situation. 00:36:42.060 --> 00:36:45.390 I am asking you to not tax rooftop solar. 00:36:45.390 --> 00:36:46.700 I am a rooftop solar owner, 00:36:46.700 --> 00:36:48.040 like everybody else on this call, 00:36:48.040 --> 00:36:50.140 I did it because it's the right thing to do. 00:36:50.140 --> 00:36:52.170 And also because I figured that eventually 00:36:52.170 --> 00:36:55.240 it would become, we would break even on it. 00:36:55.240 --> 00:36:56.110 (alarm ringing) 00:36:56.110 --> 00:36:57.520 It's heartbreaking. 00:36:57.520 --> 00:36:58.353 I'm done. 00:36:58.353 --> 00:37:00.120 Thank you. Thank you very much. 00:37:00.120 --> 00:37:01.523 Operator next caller please. 00:37:04.516 --> 00:37:06.690 And we have John Presley back online. 00:37:06.690 --> 00:37:08.760 He was disconnected earlier, sir. 00:37:08.760 --> 00:37:09.610 You may go ahead. 00:37:10.870 --> 00:37:13.280 Thank you just to finish my comment. 00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:16.310 The proposed decision would decimate our industry, 00:37:16.310 --> 00:37:18.670 prevent California from meeting its climate goals 00:37:18.670 --> 00:37:21.010 and mortgage our next generation's future 00:37:21.010 --> 00:37:24.080 in exchange for boosting utility profit margins. 00:37:24.080 --> 00:37:27.330 I urge you to reject this decision and rewrite 00:37:27.330 --> 00:37:30.900 a new solution that protects the rooftop solar industry 00:37:30.900 --> 00:37:32.430 and my family's future. 00:37:32.430 --> 00:37:33.900 Thank you. 00:37:33.900 --> 00:37:35.060 Thank you. 00:37:35.060 --> 00:37:36.510 Operator, next caller please. 00:37:41.110 --> 00:37:43.480 And our next caller is Dave Chukla. 00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:44.330 You may go ahead. 00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:54.560 Again, Mr. Shukla, your line is open. 00:37:54.560 --> 00:37:56.143 Please check your mute button. 00:38:00.470 --> 00:38:01.303 Hello? 00:38:01.303 --> 00:38:02.310 Can you hear me? 00:38:02.310 --> 00:38:03.750 Yes, we can. 00:38:03.750 --> 00:38:04.630 Oh, great. 00:38:04.630 --> 00:38:05.890 Hello, CPUC Commissioners. 00:38:05.890 --> 00:38:06.723 Thank you for your time. 00:38:06.723 --> 00:38:08.370 Dave Shukla resident and ratepayer 00:38:08.370 --> 00:38:11.760 on record for the past 24 years in Long Beach. 00:38:11.760 --> 00:38:16.230 One of the funniest highlights of 2022 so far 00:38:16.230 --> 00:38:19.030 was Governor Gavin Newsom's budget proposal on the 10th. 00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:23.860 It must be said that seeing the Governor flex on everyone 00:38:23.860 --> 00:38:26.963 and tell the world we want your dollars. 00:38:27.890 --> 00:38:30.080 We want you to open clean energy economy 00:38:30.080 --> 00:38:31.653 businesses in California. 00:38:32.996 --> 00:38:34.999 That was pretty cool. 00:38:34.999 --> 00:38:36.820 It's thing I wanna hear. 00:38:36.820 --> 00:38:41.127 I also wanna hear from you the CPUC about NEM four 00:38:41.127 --> 00:38:44.713 rules that work for all Californians. 00:38:45.620 --> 00:38:47.670 For the past 24 years, we've been living across 00:38:47.670 --> 00:38:49.060 the street from these people. 00:38:49.060 --> 00:38:51.940 Edison has knowingly profited off of climate change 00:38:51.940 --> 00:38:55.910 that they now want you the CPUC to discriminate 00:38:55.910 --> 00:38:59.010 against me and my family's ability to do something. 00:38:59.010 --> 00:39:02.900 Anything science based about don't want that noise. 00:39:02.900 --> 00:39:06.520 Don't want no tax, no retro aggressive tax. 00:39:06.520 --> 00:39:09.175 Why don't you put lean on Edison instead? 00:39:09.175 --> 00:39:10.008 (alarm ringing) 00:39:10.008 --> 00:39:11.080 Why don't we open their book? 00:39:12.030 --> 00:39:12.863 Thank you. 00:39:12.863 --> 00:39:13.696 Reject them three. 00:39:13.696 --> 00:39:14.529 Make it better. 00:39:14.529 --> 00:39:15.640 Thank you. 00:39:15.640 --> 00:39:16.473 Thank you. 00:39:16.473 --> 00:39:17.770 Operator, next caller please. 00:39:19.246 --> 00:39:21.490 Our next caller is Dan Campbell. 00:39:21.490 --> 00:39:22.750 Don Campbell, I'm sorry. 00:39:22.750 --> 00:39:23.583 Go ahead. 00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:26.793 Yeah. 00:39:26.793 --> 00:39:29.180 Hi and thank you for staying around for all of this. 00:39:29.180 --> 00:39:31.330 I appreciate all the people that have been on this call 00:39:31.330 --> 00:39:33.750 and I just want to echo everything and the brilliant 00:39:33.750 --> 00:39:36.800 stuff that have been said in opposition to this 00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:41.230 it is regressive and it will do no good for Californians 00:39:41.230 --> 00:39:44.340 and please take care and everybody stay online 00:39:44.340 --> 00:39:45.940 and keep the comments coming. 00:39:45.940 --> 00:39:46.773 Thank you. 00:39:47.660 --> 00:39:48.493 Thank you. 00:39:48.493 --> 00:39:50.037 Operator, next caller please. 00:39:51.220 --> 00:39:53.530 Our next caller is Prety Mather. 00:39:53.530 --> 00:39:54.380 You may go ahead. 00:39:55.620 --> 00:39:58.990 Hi, I'm a, my name is Prety Mather. 00:39:58.990 --> 00:40:01.400 I'm a passionate solar system homeowner 00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:02.903 from Irvine, California. 00:40:03.870 --> 00:40:05.530 I'm a customer with SCE. 00:40:05.530 --> 00:40:09.440 My family house has a large solar system already. 00:40:09.440 --> 00:40:12.240 However, we are in the midst of installing and purchasing 00:40:12.240 --> 00:40:16.490 another large solar system with power wall batteries 00:40:16.490 --> 00:40:18.040 to be installed in a few weeks. 00:40:18.040 --> 00:40:20.620 My extended family members own five houses 00:40:20.620 --> 00:40:23.450 with solar system in Orange county. 00:40:23.450 --> 00:40:25.810 We have several electric vehicles in our family 00:40:25.810 --> 00:40:28.700 that we charge at our houses. 00:40:28.700 --> 00:40:31.640 Please encourage largest solar systems and batteries 00:40:31.640 --> 00:40:33.370 for all Californians. 00:40:33.370 --> 00:40:35.380 Please give incentives to California, 00:40:35.380 --> 00:40:37.450 to increase solar energy. 00:40:37.450 --> 00:40:39.380 Please vote for California in terms 00:40:39.380 --> 00:40:40.870 of solar energy environment, 00:40:40.870 --> 00:40:43.940 climate changes and green earth. 00:40:43.940 --> 00:40:45.450 Please encourage solar systems 00:40:45.450 --> 00:40:47.120 and batteries for Californian. 00:40:47.120 --> 00:40:49.340 Please vote for homeowner solar companies, 00:40:49.340 --> 00:40:51.797 solar employees in all Californians. 00:40:51.797 --> 00:40:52.630 Thank you. 00:40:53.555 --> 00:40:54.610 Thank you, operator. 00:40:54.610 --> 00:40:55.703 Next caller, please. 00:40:58.070 --> 00:41:00.320 Our next caller is Kristen Bement. 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:01.170 You may go ahead. 00:41:04.370 --> 00:41:05.203 Hi there. 00:41:05.203 --> 00:41:06.051 Good afternoon. 00:41:06.051 --> 00:41:07.530 My name's Kristen Bement calling in from LA county 00:41:07.530 --> 00:41:09.400 on behalf of Zero solar, where I work 00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:11.150 and on behalf of my partner and our children 00:41:11.150 --> 00:41:12.780 who hope to continue living and thriving 00:41:12.780 --> 00:41:13.960 in this great state. 00:41:13.960 --> 00:41:15.480 I've worked in the California solar industry 00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:17.110 for over 15 years. 00:41:17.110 --> 00:41:19.150 I wanna echo everything on this call as well. 00:41:19.150 --> 00:41:21.960 Amazing, all the comments here. 00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:23.710 I just wanna say California's rooftop, 00:41:23.710 --> 00:41:26.060 solar succeeds due to a huge diverse community 00:41:26.060 --> 00:41:28.230 throughout California, coming together in many ways 00:41:28.230 --> 00:41:31.210 to invest in solar power with their money, 00:41:31.210 --> 00:41:32.500 with their hard work. 00:41:32.500 --> 00:41:33.333 Why? 00:41:33.333 --> 00:41:34.630 Because the right thing to do for a planet 00:41:34.630 --> 00:41:37.040 and because it makes reasonable financial sense. 00:41:37.040 --> 00:41:40.120 I urge you to unanimously reject this terribly 00:41:40.120 --> 00:41:41.310 foreign proposal. 00:41:41.310 --> 00:41:44.590 It is designed to decimate the ability for a consumer 00:41:44.590 --> 00:41:46.950 to invest in benefit from rooftop solar in California 00:41:46.950 --> 00:41:50.180 and beyond and it passed it on questionably well, 00:41:50.180 --> 00:41:52.730 it is not designed to capitalize on the oppotunity 00:41:52.730 --> 00:41:55.430 we have to move clean energy from our abundant 00:41:55.430 --> 00:41:57.260 sunshine hours to the evening hours 00:41:57.260 --> 00:41:59.570 where greenhouse gas emissions are largest. 00:41:59.570 --> 00:42:02.570 We as a state should be focused on making more clean energy 00:42:02.570 --> 00:42:03.730 and moving into the evening. 00:42:03.730 --> 00:42:05.510 We should not be putting up financial barriers 00:42:05.510 --> 00:42:06.960 to clean energy. (alarm ringing) 00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:08.199 We should continue to leave this fire. 00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:09.141 Thank you. 00:42:09.141 --> 00:42:10.612 Thank you, operator. 00:42:10.612 --> 00:42:13.112 Operator, next caller, please. 00:42:14.671 --> 00:42:16.860 Our next caller is Seth Debbie. 00:42:16.860 --> 00:42:17.813 You may go ahead. 00:42:26.150 --> 00:42:27.900 Again, Seth Debbie, your line is open. 00:42:27.900 --> 00:42:29.400 Please check your mute button. 00:42:30.470 --> 00:42:31.640 Yeah, this is Seth Debbie 00:42:31.640 --> 00:42:33.430 with green day power. 00:42:33.430 --> 00:42:37.420 I employ 150 people in Sacramento, 00:42:37.420 --> 00:42:39.810 Fresno in Southern California, 00:42:39.810 --> 00:42:43.247 and we strongly oppose the new from NEM 3.0, 00:42:44.913 --> 00:42:45.930 I think the public has spoken. 00:42:45.930 --> 00:42:47.450 I've been on this call for five hours 00:42:47.450 --> 00:42:50.200 and it's pretty unanimous that people 00:42:50.200 --> 00:42:52.180 are not in support of this. 00:42:52.180 --> 00:42:53.080 And we are the public. 00:42:53.080 --> 00:42:56.580 We hope you listen to the public and this would decimate 00:42:56.580 --> 00:43:00.590 the jobs of my people and our employees. 00:43:00.590 --> 00:43:01.857 And it would decimate the customers, 00:43:01.857 --> 00:43:04.030 the thousands of customer as we set up 00:43:04.030 --> 00:43:06.340 over the last six years in business. 00:43:06.340 --> 00:43:09.330 And we hope that you'll reconsider and make proper 00:43:09.330 --> 00:43:11.730 adjustments to make this more equitable for everybody. 00:43:11.730 --> 00:43:13.035 Thanks. 00:43:13.035 --> 00:43:14.200 Thank you. 00:43:14.200 --> 00:43:15.650 Operator, next caller please. 00:43:17.707 --> 00:43:19.980 Our next caller is Ted Dunning. 00:43:19.980 --> 00:43:21.660 You may go ahead. 00:43:21.660 --> 00:43:23.350 Hi. My name is Ted Dunning 00:43:23.350 --> 00:43:25.680 and I'm a Professor, political science 00:43:25.680 --> 00:43:28.530 at UC Berkeley and the California native. 00:43:28.530 --> 00:43:30.680 I'm calling to register my extremely strong 00:43:30.680 --> 00:43:32.550 opposition to the proposed regulation, 00:43:32.550 --> 00:43:34.980 governing rooftop solar in California. 00:43:34.980 --> 00:43:38.010 My wife and I have installed a solar panel system 00:43:38.010 --> 00:43:39.920 and battery back capacity at our home. 00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:41.770 And we drive electric vehicles. 00:43:41.770 --> 00:43:43.720 We have been so proud of California's national 00:43:43.720 --> 00:43:46.040 and global leadership on the environment. 00:43:46.040 --> 00:43:48.170 So, I'm absolutely horrified and ashamed 00:43:48.170 --> 00:43:50.310 to see the CPUC proposal, 00:43:50.310 --> 00:43:52.630 which takes a gigantic step in the wrong direction 00:43:52.630 --> 00:43:54.140 for climate change. 00:43:54.140 --> 00:43:57.090 I'm asking you CPUC Commissioners and Governor Newsom 00:43:57.090 --> 00:43:58.400 to fix this proposal. 00:43:58.400 --> 00:43:59.980 There should be no solar tax, 00:43:59.980 --> 00:44:01.690 not even a cent. 00:44:01.690 --> 00:44:03.470 In political science we call regulators 00:44:03.470 --> 00:44:05.500 who pass a proposal written at the heist 00:44:05.500 --> 00:44:09.050 of the very utilities they regulate captured regulators, 00:44:09.050 --> 00:44:12.020 CPUC Commissioners, please don't let yourself be captured 00:44:12.020 --> 00:44:14.290 by PG&E and the other utilities. 00:44:14.290 --> 00:44:16.120 Do the right thing for Californians 00:44:16.120 --> 00:44:18.610 for the environment and for our world's future. 00:44:18.610 --> 00:44:19.443 Thank you. 00:44:20.470 --> 00:44:21.710 Thank you. 00:44:21.710 --> 00:44:23.510 Operator, next caller, please. 00:44:25.240 --> 00:44:27.340 Our next caller is Carol Hart. 00:44:27.340 --> 00:44:28.190 You may go ahead. 00:44:30.380 --> 00:44:31.213 Hi. 00:44:31.213 --> 00:44:35.050 My name is Carol Hart and I'm a registered voter in Ventura. 00:44:35.050 --> 00:44:38.580 I have been a customer of three California utility companies 00:44:38.580 --> 00:44:40.940 and a shareholder of one of them. 00:44:40.940 --> 00:44:44.210 I purchased a grid tide solar system for my home 00:44:44.210 --> 00:44:47.380 in Mariosa county in 2012. 00:44:47.380 --> 00:44:50.360 I, along with my neighbors who leased their solar panels, 00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:52.680 did our part to ease the grids energy burden, 00:44:52.680 --> 00:44:55.770 but would not have justified this expense without tax 00:44:55.770 --> 00:44:59.050 incentives and the low monthly minimum charge 00:44:59.050 --> 00:45:02.130 by my utility company at $10 per month. 00:45:02.130 --> 00:45:03.670 Now that I have moved to Ventura, 00:45:03.670 --> 00:45:07.270 I would like to invest in solar power and battery storage, 00:45:07.270 --> 00:45:09.420 but your potential actions are making me 00:45:09.420 --> 00:45:11.690 and countless others reconsider. 00:45:11.690 --> 00:45:13.740 I cannot justify the personal cost 00:45:13.740 --> 00:45:16.000 of another solar panel installation. 00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:19.160 If you act in favor of utility company budgets 00:45:19.160 --> 00:45:22.320 over my rights as a California taxpayer, 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.320 please help us help you do the right thing 00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:28.380 for our environment and for clean energy jobs 00:45:28.380 --> 00:45:32.140 by fixing or eliminating your solar tax proposal. 00:45:32.140 --> 00:45:33.233 Thank you very much. 00:45:34.370 --> 00:45:35.203 Thank you. 00:45:35.203 --> 00:45:36.920 Operator, next caller, please. 00:45:37.814 --> 00:45:40.010 Our next caller is David Born. 00:45:40.010 --> 00:45:40.860 You may go ahead. 00:45:42.260 --> 00:45:43.660 Hi. My name is David Born 00:45:43.660 --> 00:45:45.370 from San Francisco, California, 00:45:45.370 --> 00:45:47.870 and I do not work in the solar industry 00:45:47.870 --> 00:45:51.230 but I do work in sustainability strategy at Google 00:45:51.230 --> 00:45:53.500 and like so many other people on this call. 00:45:53.500 --> 00:45:57.480 I strongly reject the NEM 3.0 proposal. 00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:00.610 I think it is crazy, but instead of repeating 00:46:00.610 --> 00:46:01.560 what everyone else has said, 00:46:01.560 --> 00:46:03.940 I did wanna address the two out of hundreds 00:46:03.940 --> 00:46:05.620 of people that I heard commenting for 00:46:05.620 --> 00:46:07.810 in favor of NEM 3.0 on this call. 00:46:07.810 --> 00:46:11.130 And then one was talking about a social equity issue. 00:46:11.130 --> 00:46:14.557 And I think, beyond the bait and switch for a existing. 00:46:14.557 --> 00:46:16.929 So owners like myself, the fact that you were, 00:46:16.929 --> 00:46:20.130 discouraging new homeowners from getting solar 00:46:20.130 --> 00:46:21.880 many of whom will be lower income families 00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:24.910 that we need to join the fight on climate change 00:46:24.910 --> 00:46:27.160 is really antithetical to what California 00:46:27.160 --> 00:46:30.230 needs to be doing to address these climate goals. 00:46:30.230 --> 00:46:33.290 And of course the second, comment 00:46:33.290 --> 00:46:36.490 was about the solar energy spike during the day. 00:46:36.490 --> 00:46:39.300 And to that effect, we need to really be incentivizing 00:46:39.300 --> 00:46:42.340 badly storage in addition to rooftop solar. 00:46:42.340 --> 00:46:44.010 So that once everyone has it, 00:46:44.010 --> 00:46:46.670 we can of course have renewable energy at night as well. 00:46:46.670 --> 00:46:50.920 So, strongly recommend the CPUC reject this proposal. 00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:53.101 And in fact, if you're gonna do anything-- 00:46:53.101 --> 00:46:54.540 (alarm ringing)(indistinct) Thank you. 00:46:54.540 --> 00:46:57.513 Thank you, operator next caller please. 00:46:59.741 --> 00:47:01.930 Our next caller is Cheryl Reynolds. 00:47:01.930 --> 00:47:02.870 You may go ahead 00:47:11.160 --> 00:47:13.450 Again Cheryl Reynoldsm your line is open. 00:47:13.450 --> 00:47:14.950 Please check your mute button. 00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:17.460 Can you hear me now? 00:47:17.460 --> 00:47:18.293 Yeah. 00:47:18.293 --> 00:47:19.190 Yes, we can please proceed. 00:47:19.190 --> 00:47:20.023 Thank you. 00:47:20.023 --> 00:47:20.856 Okay. 00:47:20.856 --> 00:47:21.790 Thank you. 00:47:21.790 --> 00:47:25.830 Sherry Reynolds, out of Oceanside, California, 00:47:25.830 --> 00:47:30.830 I have a lot of reasons to be discouraged by the tax. 00:47:31.220 --> 00:47:35.290 I recently became a solar consultant sold my first job 00:47:35.290 --> 00:47:37.800 and I love this industry. 00:47:37.800 --> 00:47:40.780 I have five grandchildren who three of which 00:47:40.780 --> 00:47:45.250 are in California, and my concern is about their wellbeing. 00:47:45.250 --> 00:47:48.670 If we are not able to clean up our environment, 00:47:48.670 --> 00:47:53.120 I hope you do vote against NEM three. 00:47:53.120 --> 00:47:54.643 And I appreciate the time. 00:47:56.440 --> 00:47:57.273 Thank you. 00:47:57.273 --> 00:47:58.710 Operator, next caller please. 00:47:59.990 --> 00:48:01.890 Our next caller is Marisa Woodard. 00:48:01.890 --> 00:48:02.740 You may go ahead. 00:48:05.460 --> 00:48:07.210 Hi. My name is Marisa Woodard. 00:48:07.210 --> 00:48:10.010 I work at Hot Purple Energy in the Coachella valley. 00:48:10.010 --> 00:48:13.160 I've been in the solar industry for about four years. 00:48:13.160 --> 00:48:15.780 I love my career because solar and energy storage evolves 00:48:15.780 --> 00:48:18.050 with our lifestyle and demand for energy 00:48:18.050 --> 00:48:19.680 is always on the cutting edge of technology 00:48:19.680 --> 00:48:22.280 and the best part, it's renewable sustainable energy. 00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:24.230 That's good for our planet. 00:48:24.230 --> 00:48:27.280 Tens of thousands of Californians, including myself, 00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:30.010 depend on our jobs for the livelihoods of our families. 00:48:30.010 --> 00:48:31.900 NEM three would kill the solar industry, 00:48:31.900 --> 00:48:33.810 leading many of us jobless and without the means 00:48:33.810 --> 00:48:35.430 to support our families. 00:48:35.430 --> 00:48:37.320 It is also out of line with California's 00:48:37.320 --> 00:48:39.770 clean energy initiatives and it will lead 00:48:39.770 --> 00:48:41.530 to a decline in people going solar 00:48:41.530 --> 00:48:44.050 and as seen as a penalty to those who have already 00:48:44.050 --> 00:48:48.280 gone solar, please reject the NEM three proposal. 00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:51.930 Thank you for your time and the opportunity to contribute. 00:48:51.930 --> 00:48:53.131 Thank you, operator. 00:48:53.131 --> 00:48:54.798 Next caller, please. 00:48:56.097 --> 00:48:58.020 Our next caller is James Miller. 00:48:58.020 --> 00:48:58.870 You may go ahead. 00:49:00.810 --> 00:49:01.867 Hello. 00:49:01.867 --> 00:49:04.253 Thank you for taking my call. 00:49:06.150 --> 00:49:09.500 Commissioners, I live in Sherman Oaks 00:49:09.500 --> 00:49:11.030 and I work in the television industry 00:49:11.030 --> 00:49:15.550 and I strongly oppose this job killing utility 00:49:15.550 --> 00:49:17.870 enriching solar tax 3.0, 00:49:17.870 --> 00:49:21.970 which violates every tenant of the regulatory fairness. 00:49:21.970 --> 00:49:25.510 And it's likely illegal under federal law. 00:49:25.510 --> 00:49:29.170 I installed pollution free stable 21 solar panels 00:49:29.170 --> 00:49:31.873 on my Sherman Oaks house and drive an EV. 00:49:33.070 --> 00:49:36.100 Whatever excess energy I use, I sell back to the grid 00:49:36.100 --> 00:49:39.410 which helps stabilizes the grid while I produce 00:49:39.410 --> 00:49:42.080 clean, renewable energy to others. 00:49:42.080 --> 00:49:44.230 The state of California is known as the leader 00:49:44.230 --> 00:49:46.950 and trend centered, sustainable, renewable energy, 00:49:46.950 --> 00:49:51.020 and provides the path for other states to follow 00:49:51.020 --> 00:49:55.230 the CPUC proposal advocated by the utility, monopolies 00:49:55.230 --> 00:49:58.530 and fossil fuel industries is nothing but a big business 00:49:58.530 --> 00:50:02.160 profiteering Wolf and Reynolds clothing scheme, 00:50:02.160 --> 00:50:04.544 and must be rejected. 00:50:04.544 --> 00:50:06.267 (alarm ringing) This is a time to-- 00:50:07.410 --> 00:50:11.093 Thank you very much Operator next caller please. 00:50:12.972 --> 00:50:14.890 Our next caller is Mike Roe. 00:50:14.890 --> 00:50:15.740 You may go ahead. 00:50:17.630 --> 00:50:19.300 Hi, I've listened to everybody on here 00:50:19.300 --> 00:50:20.930 and I have the same concerns. 00:50:20.930 --> 00:50:23.260 I say, let's take this fight to Twitter 00:50:23.260 --> 00:50:28.260 and get everybody to retweet a tweet I put together. 00:50:28.410 --> 00:50:33.100 My identity is @MikeRoe912. 00:50:33.100 --> 00:50:34.470 I'm like the dirty jobs guy, 00:50:34.470 --> 00:50:39.470 except without the w @MikeROE912. 00:50:39.980 --> 00:50:42.880 I've got the Commissioners copied on there 00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:46.520 as well as Gavin Newso and other influential folks 00:50:46.520 --> 00:50:49.960 do the same, retweet my tweet and add yours 00:50:49.960 --> 00:50:54.053 and hashtag no solar tax hashtag CPUC. 00:50:55.070 --> 00:50:57.020 And let's get this trending on Twitter. 00:50:59.010 --> 00:51:00.340 Thank you, operator. 00:51:00.340 --> 00:51:01.403 Next caller, please. 00:51:03.450 --> 00:51:05.110 Our next caller is Megan Chumley. 00:51:05.110 --> 00:51:06.103 You may go ahead. 00:51:10.358 --> 00:51:11.191 Yes. 00:51:11.191 --> 00:51:12.970 This is Megan Chumley. 00:51:12.970 --> 00:51:15.450 I'm a retired public health nurse 00:51:15.450 --> 00:51:18.060 from the Arden-Arcade area of Sacramento. 00:51:18.060 --> 00:51:20.343 I'm also a member of climate health now. 00:51:22.100 --> 00:51:25.810 Commissioners, if you are making the wrong decision 00:51:25.810 --> 00:51:28.910 to side with the corporate greed and their distortions 00:51:28.910 --> 00:51:32.210 of the facts and impose an owner's tax 00:51:32.210 --> 00:51:35.590 on rooftop solar owners, as well as unfair compensation 00:51:35.590 --> 00:51:38.280 for the electricity they provide to the grid, 00:51:38.280 --> 00:51:41.190 you will be setting back decarbonization of our society 00:51:41.190 --> 00:51:45.320 at a time when we have maybe less than eight years 00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:48.020 before runaway global warming will cause us 00:51:48.020 --> 00:51:50.140 all irreparable harm. 00:51:50.140 --> 00:51:53.360 Communities of color and the poor will fill the harm first, 00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:54.820 but make no mistake. 00:51:54.820 --> 00:51:57.970 All of us, including you and your defendants 00:51:57.970 --> 00:51:59.810 may face extinction. 00:51:59.810 --> 00:52:03.070 We can't meet our clean power goals without encouraging 00:52:03.070 --> 00:52:05.510 fair and equitable rooftop solar. 00:52:05.510 --> 00:52:08.390 I beseech the Commission to make a wise decision 00:52:08.390 --> 00:52:11.000 about increasing the need for clean power 00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:12.780 for the 21st century. 00:52:12.780 --> 00:52:13.613 Thank you. 00:52:14.690 --> 00:52:15.923 Thank you, operator. 00:52:15.923 --> 00:52:17.073 Next caller, please. 00:52:20.660 --> 00:52:22.950 Our next caller is Steven CDO. 00:52:22.950 --> 00:52:23.800 You may go ahead. 00:52:25.576 --> 00:52:26.750 Steve CDO retired. 00:52:26.750 --> 00:52:29.290 I do not agree with this change in policy. 00:52:29.290 --> 00:52:31.523 In San Diego, gas and electric electricity, 00:52:32.980 --> 00:52:36.920 our gasoline electricity among our largest monthly expenses. 00:52:36.920 --> 00:52:40.673 Those of us on fixed income invested in solar in EVs 00:52:40.673 --> 00:52:42.680 unaware 20 years of net metering 00:52:42.680 --> 00:52:44.433 was a whim of the utilities. 00:52:45.410 --> 00:52:49.360 This goes beyond solar will cause people to pause 00:52:49.360 --> 00:52:51.090 before installing batteries for fewer 00:52:51.090 --> 00:52:55.440 punitive CPUC changes applies the same to electric cars. 00:52:55.440 --> 00:52:57.950 When the rate goes over a 25c/kwh 00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:02.320 without rooftop solar, gasoline is cheaper. 00:53:02.320 --> 00:53:05.640 It's clear the utilities wanna make solar go away. 00:53:05.640 --> 00:53:08.310 The proposed changes increases my monthly charge 00:53:08.310 --> 00:53:11.700 for electricity by several 100% disincentivizes, 00:53:11.700 --> 00:53:13.200 new solar instalations, 00:53:13.200 --> 00:53:17.040 therefore killing the rule rooftop solar industries, 00:53:17.040 --> 00:53:20.910 reestablishing the utility monopoly with NEM three, 00:53:20.910 --> 00:53:23.060 the utilities win the consumer 00:53:23.060 --> 00:53:25.780 and the solar industries lose. 00:53:25.780 --> 00:53:28.310 47 states have lower electric rates 00:53:28.310 --> 00:53:30.500 is the public utilities Commission 00:53:30.500 --> 00:53:32.783 or just (alarm ringing) utilities Commission. 00:53:32.783 --> 00:53:33.616 Thank you for your time. 00:53:33.616 --> 00:53:35.370 Thank you very much, operator. 00:53:35.370 --> 00:53:36.453 Next caller, please. 00:53:40.820 --> 00:53:43.570 Our next caller is Arthur pinnet. 00:53:43.570 --> 00:53:44.420 You may go ahead. 00:53:46.820 --> 00:53:47.910 Hello. 00:53:47.910 --> 00:53:50.470 We're lifelong residents in the city of Lakewood 00:53:50.470 --> 00:53:54.150 with rooftop solar on a retired crane operator, 00:53:54.150 --> 00:53:56.400 not rich by any stretch. 00:53:56.400 --> 00:53:58.593 We're middle class family in a humble home. 00:53:59.680 --> 00:54:00.650 We wanted to trade, try to save money 00:54:00.650 --> 00:54:03.100 on electricity and stop climate change. 00:54:03.100 --> 00:54:06.340 Five years ago, we replaced our roof and added solar. 00:54:06.340 --> 00:54:07.580 It was expensive for us. 00:54:07.580 --> 00:54:08.910 We couldn't afford it. 00:54:08.910 --> 00:54:11.120 If not for the incentive rebate. 00:54:11.120 --> 00:54:13.530 The savings from our solar eventually helped pay 00:54:13.530 --> 00:54:15.840 for a used plugin hybrid. 00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:18.380 If this rule gets voted in with the monthly threes, 00:54:18.380 --> 00:54:22.393 plus the 80% cut on our excess energy onto the grid, 00:54:23.420 --> 00:54:26.650 mine would be economic solution will consider 00:54:26.650 --> 00:54:28.480 going off the grid. 00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:31.020 Edison meter could be disconnected. 00:54:31.020 --> 00:54:34.360 This won't be my preference, but for this ruling passing 00:54:34.360 --> 00:54:37.400 if this proposals pass I'll certainly scare off, 00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:40.260 it will certainly scare off future solar customers 00:54:40.260 --> 00:54:42.040 and lose solar jobs. 00:54:42.040 --> 00:54:45.060 Governor Newsom, Commissioners don't force us 00:54:45.060 --> 00:54:48.030 to make tough decisions to leave the grid. 00:54:48.030 --> 00:54:48.863 Thank you. 00:54:49.790 --> 00:54:50.623 Thank you. 00:54:50.623 --> 00:54:52.073 Operator, next caller, please. 00:54:53.829 --> 00:54:55.970 Our next caller is Ryan McGuire. 00:54:55.970 --> 00:54:56.823 You may go ahead. 00:54:59.282 --> 00:55:00.723 Hi. 00:55:00.723 --> 00:55:03.983 Yeah, Ryan McGuire here of Claremont in El county. 00:55:03.983 --> 00:55:07.950 I have solar on my roof and also a solar installer 00:55:07.950 --> 00:55:08.920 for source solar. 00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:12.233 And I'm just, I'm grateful for everybody on this call. 00:55:14.320 --> 00:55:18.973 It's been, well over 240 minutes. 00:55:20.970 --> 00:55:25.490 who like those that over 240 years ago stood up 00:55:25.490 --> 00:55:28.930 against unfair taxes and rules that preceded 00:55:28.930 --> 00:55:30.333 the birth of this country. 00:55:31.979 --> 00:55:35.370 I just appreciate those that are doing the same thing today. 00:55:35.370 --> 00:55:38.630 Standing up against unfair tax and rules 00:55:38.630 --> 00:55:41.963 that seek to kill California solar. 00:55:43.340 --> 00:55:45.850 So, I trust we'll have the same outcome 00:55:45.850 --> 00:55:50.850 and this great solar industry in the state 00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:55.820 will live on and prosper. 00:55:55.820 --> 00:55:59.201 And I like the guy's suggestion that we double 00:55:59.201 --> 00:56:01.703 the incentive for solar. 00:56:02.670 --> 00:56:03.503 Anyway, that's my vote. 00:56:03.503 --> 00:56:06.900 Definitely, please reject NEM 3.0, 00:56:06.900 --> 00:56:09.583 thanks for supporting and standing on. 00:56:11.460 --> 00:56:12.293 Thank you. 00:56:13.504 --> 00:56:14.337 Operator, next caller please. 00:56:16.230 --> 00:56:18.110 Our next caller is Jeanette king. 00:56:18.110 --> 00:56:19.003 You may go ahead. 00:56:22.690 --> 00:56:23.523 Good afternoon. 00:56:23.523 --> 00:56:26.500 This is Jeanette king live in Livermore 00:56:26.500 --> 00:56:29.170 in the San Francisco bay area. 00:56:29.170 --> 00:56:34.170 I do not (indistinct) on rooftop solar. 00:56:34.560 --> 00:56:37.910 I am a retired teacher and have rooftop solar 00:56:37.910 --> 00:56:41.280 on my home since 2006, 00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:45.450 which has produced all the electrical power that I use. 00:56:45.450 --> 00:56:48.000 I have recently installed a heat pump 00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:50.540 to replace my gas furnace. 00:56:50.540 --> 00:56:54.450 Rooftop solar is important for citizens like me. 00:56:54.450 --> 00:56:58.880 Net metering is financially sound for ordinary citizens. 00:56:58.880 --> 00:57:01.610 The state should honor the promise to people 00:57:01.610 --> 00:57:03.670 who have rooftop solar. 00:57:03.670 --> 00:57:07.440 Rooftop distributed solar is important for combating 00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:11.400 climate change without compromising open space 00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:16.300 in agricultural lands or desert areas with industrial solar. 00:57:16.300 --> 00:57:18.673 Thank you very much for taking my comment. 00:57:19.830 --> 00:57:21.120 Thank you, operator. 00:57:21.120 --> 00:57:22.263 Next caller, please. 00:57:24.040 --> 00:57:26.030 Our next caller is John Taylor. 00:57:26.030 --> 00:57:26.880 You may go ahead. 00:57:28.300 --> 00:57:29.470 Thank you. 00:57:29.470 --> 00:57:33.720 I have absolutely no ties to rooftop solar industry, 00:57:33.720 --> 00:57:36.543 but the biggest cost is not them. 00:57:36.543 --> 00:57:38.920 It's the billions a month in transmission 00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:40.290 and distribution charges. 00:57:40.290 --> 00:57:44.010 The utilities reging in and that price is going up, 00:57:44.010 --> 00:57:48.200 but like cell phones, solar TV is a disruptive technology. 00:57:48.200 --> 00:57:49.550 It can go anywhere. 00:57:49.550 --> 00:57:52.910 It does not need to be tethered to wires. 00:57:52.910 --> 00:57:54.890 If CPUC kills rooftop solar, 00:57:54.890 --> 00:57:59.020 that will cause more unnecessary transmission over build 00:57:59.020 --> 00:58:00.830 to deliver remote energy, 00:58:00.830 --> 00:58:03.070 the can and should be or generated at load 00:58:04.230 --> 00:58:06.650 that will compound the already outrageous charges. 00:58:06.650 --> 00:58:10.440 Customer will be stuck with on, in an item. 00:58:10.440 --> 00:58:12.270 And we'll all miss the benefits you've heard 00:58:12.270 --> 00:58:13.603 about local generation. 00:58:14.550 --> 00:58:18.360 The POC is legally morally obligated to ensure 00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:20.540 the growth of distributed solar. 00:58:20.540 --> 00:58:22.417 So instead of gutting any NEM, 00:58:23.330 --> 00:58:26.270 maybe it's time to revamp the revenue allocation 00:58:26.270 --> 00:58:28.660 for these hugely lucrative of utilities. 00:58:28.660 --> 00:58:29.493 Thank you. 00:58:30.380 --> 00:58:31.320 Thank you. 00:58:31.320 --> 00:58:32.953 Operator, next caller, please. 00:58:35.770 --> 00:58:37.510 Our next caller is from Ray Vargas. 00:58:37.510 --> 00:58:38.360 You may go ahead. 00:58:48.150 --> 00:58:48.983 Sorry. 00:58:48.983 --> 00:58:49.931 I was on mute. 00:58:49.931 --> 00:58:50.764 Good afternoon. 00:58:50.764 --> 00:58:55.350 As a C two EJC4W member, I say stop NEM three. 00:58:56.230 --> 00:58:58.190 Today's meeting was opened with an acknowledgement 00:58:58.190 --> 00:58:59.150 to black history months. 00:58:59.150 --> 00:59:02.130 While any support of NEM three is continued oppression 00:59:02.130 --> 00:59:04.460 by a systematically racist agenda 00:59:04.460 --> 00:59:06.530 by ways of policies like NEM three, 00:59:06.530 --> 00:59:09.410 which target the middle class and disadvantaged communities. 00:59:09.410 --> 00:59:11.410 I would like to echo all of the previous speakers today 00:59:11.410 --> 00:59:13.700 and their persuasive talking points as a layman. 00:59:13.700 --> 00:59:16.033 It is not hard to glean the NEM three benefits, 00:59:16.033 --> 00:59:18.160 PG&E and perpetuates support 00:59:18.160 --> 00:59:20.020 of monopolies and conglomerates. 00:59:20.020 --> 00:59:22.810 My indigenous ancestors are the stewards of the stolen land 00:59:22.810 --> 00:59:25.500 and is evident how the current system has managed our planet 00:59:25.500 --> 00:59:27.230 with greed based motivations. 00:59:27.230 --> 00:59:29.390 It's time to choose mother nature instead of pimping her out 00:59:29.390 --> 00:59:32.670 for a profit over our climate depends on it. 00:59:32.670 --> 00:59:34.860 Please embody the year the tiger reference this morning 00:59:34.860 --> 00:59:37.040 and choose courage to take steps towards dismantling 00:59:37.040 --> 00:59:38.970 the patriarchy and the corporate agenda. 00:59:38.970 --> 00:59:40.550 Thank you. 00:59:40.550 --> 00:59:41.760 Thank you. 00:59:41.760 --> 00:59:43.283 Operator next caller, please. 00:59:45.140 --> 00:59:46.790 Our next caller has Benard Summers. 00:59:46.790 --> 00:59:47.640 You may go ahead. 00:59:50.980 --> 00:59:51.813 Good afternoon, 00:59:51.813 --> 00:59:52.890 president Reynold, Commissioners. 00:59:52.890 --> 00:59:55.260 Thank you for your service and stewardship 00:59:55.260 --> 00:59:56.290 and thank you to my fellow, 00:59:56.290 --> 00:59:58.640 solar brothers and sisters on this call. 00:59:58.640 --> 01:00:00.101 My name is Benard Summers 01:00:00.101 --> 01:00:02.400 and I've been a leader in the solar industry for 17 years. 01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:04.490 I've helped create that thousands of jobs 01:00:04.490 --> 01:00:08.900 and thousands of homeowners I've helped by going solar. 01:00:08.900 --> 01:00:10.740 By the way, four kids, three grandkids, 01:00:10.740 --> 01:00:12.600 third generation army. 01:00:12.600 --> 01:00:14.880 I'm currently a CEO of Redemption Energy at blue based 01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:17.487 in San Diego, but we operate all over the US. 01:00:17.487 --> 01:00:20.090 Our current team focuses on well, 01:00:20.090 --> 01:00:22.420 Latino and Asian American communities. 01:00:22.420 --> 01:00:24.700 These are mostly disadvantaged families, 01:00:24.700 --> 01:00:27.340 many military and veterans like me, 01:00:27.340 --> 01:00:29.320 first responders and retirees. 01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:31.800 Many of these workers and the homeowners have ascended 01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:34.570 from the disadvantaged class to the middle class 01:00:34.570 --> 01:00:37.520 because of solar to propose NEM 3.0 01:00:37.520 --> 01:00:39.450 order will put these middle class families 01:00:39.450 --> 01:00:41.920 back into the disadvantaged class. 01:00:41.920 --> 01:00:43.417 It will reverse the progress that we 01:00:43.417 --> 01:00:46.480 have been together in the past decade. 01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:49.270 Let's not let that go backwards now, 01:00:49.270 --> 01:00:52.070 if this order passes after more than 20 years 01:00:52.070 --> 01:00:54.870 of California residency, I will be relocating. 01:00:54.870 --> 01:00:56.780 There'll be next to this of California's talent 01:00:56.780 --> 01:00:58.670 to other parts of this great country 01:00:58.670 --> 01:01:00.730 to more so friendly states. 01:01:00.730 --> 01:01:04.090 I'll have to inform my team members to(indistinct) with me. 01:01:04.090 --> 01:01:04.923 Thank you. 01:01:04.923 --> 01:01:06.346 You looked up. 01:01:06.346 --> 01:01:07.546 Push pause Been revised. 01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:09.313 Thank you. 01:01:09.313 --> 01:01:10.393 Operator, next caller, please. 01:01:12.040 --> 01:01:13.840 Our next caller is Philip Yamo. 01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:14.690 You may go ahead. 01:01:23.750 --> 01:01:24.583 Hello. 01:01:24.583 --> 01:01:25.416 My name is Philip Yamo. 01:01:26.440 --> 01:01:29.460 I'm directing producer of Collaborate Productions 01:01:29.460 --> 01:01:30.520 in Stockton, California. 01:01:30.520 --> 01:01:31.943 Member of the CEEE, 01:01:33.310 --> 01:01:37.270 I fail to agree with the decision made by the CPUC NEM 3.0, 01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:44.120 I believe this is detrimental to the low income communities 01:01:44.120 --> 01:01:46.000 abroad the state of California. 01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:48.300 I find it difficult to have confidence 01:01:48.300 --> 01:01:49.690 in the cost shipped. 01:01:51.100 --> 01:01:53.070 Our infrastructure system and grid 01:01:53.070 --> 01:01:55.640 is at a critical stage I believe. 01:01:55.640 --> 01:01:57.580 Green energy and the economy is the beginning 01:01:57.580 --> 01:02:00.150 of environmental justice in our communities. 01:02:00.150 --> 01:02:03.140 Solar and energy storage should be our goal to begin 01:02:03.140 --> 01:02:07.070 the process and completely deCommissioned peaker plants, 01:02:07.070 --> 01:02:09.540 Why pay higher taxes for the hardworking Californians 01:02:09.540 --> 01:02:11.490 wanting to go green in the future. 01:02:11.490 --> 01:02:13.795 Everyone should have the opportunity to help clean up 01:02:13.795 --> 01:02:15.220 their polluted neighborhoods. 01:02:15.220 --> 01:02:17.390 Keep the public mind of the positive change 01:02:17.390 --> 01:02:19.590 in the solar is not the agenda. 01:02:19.590 --> 01:02:22.960 We need to support stopping equity in California. 01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:24.360 And thank you for your time. 01:02:25.540 --> 01:02:26.373 Thank you. 01:02:26.373 --> 01:02:28.013 Operator, next caller please. 01:02:29.880 --> 01:02:32.803 Our next caller is Carlos Bacar. You may go ahead. 01:02:34.880 --> 01:02:36.590 Hi, can you hear me? 01:02:36.590 --> 01:02:37.433 Yes, we can. 01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:39.153 Excellent. 01:02:39.153 --> 01:02:40.230 Carlos Bacar, Fresno 01:02:40.230 --> 01:02:42.020 work in marketing at energy concepts, 01:02:42.020 --> 01:02:43.570 a solar company here in Fresno. 01:02:43.570 --> 01:02:45.610 I am brand new to solar, probably the newest. 01:02:45.610 --> 01:02:48.180 I joined the industry just over a year ago, 01:02:48.180 --> 01:02:50.830 but I was a solar consumer many years before that. 01:02:50.830 --> 01:02:53.010 I am super excited about this industry. 01:02:53.010 --> 01:02:54.780 It really didn't exist in this current 01:02:54.780 --> 01:02:56.253 form just 30 years ago. 01:02:57.190 --> 01:02:59.010 I would like to urge the Commission to throw out 01:02:59.010 --> 01:03:01.260 the proposed NEM three decision and release 01:03:01.260 --> 01:03:03.096 an alternate proposal. 01:03:03.096 --> 01:03:05.510 With NEM three, I did what I've done many times 01:03:05.510 --> 01:03:07.280 in the past with difficult topics. 01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:08.670 I showed it to my wife. 01:03:08.670 --> 01:03:11.660 She manages our finances anyways and thank God for that. 01:03:11.660 --> 01:03:13.840 And I asked her, would you have installed solar 01:03:13.840 --> 01:03:15.820 if these were the rules? 01:03:15.820 --> 01:03:17.970 I'm going to paraphrase her because I can't use 01:03:17.970 --> 01:03:19.410 her language, but she said, 01:03:19.410 --> 01:03:23.050 heck no, she thought it's actually happening. 01:03:23.050 --> 01:03:24.120 And I told her not yet. 01:03:24.120 --> 01:03:25.520 It's up to the utilities Commission. 01:03:25.520 --> 01:03:27.330 She got mad at me. 01:03:27.330 --> 01:03:30.530 I'm afraid too many average consumers will come to the same 01:03:30.530 --> 01:03:32.990 conclusion and kill our industry as we know it, 01:03:32.990 --> 01:03:34.910 I urge the Commission to please 01:03:34.910 --> 01:03:36.710 throw out the proposed decision. 01:03:36.710 --> 01:03:40.490 Please help me save my marriage, my job, 01:03:40.490 --> 01:03:43.210 and please save the solar industry as we know it today. 01:03:43.210 --> 01:03:46.270 Thank you, thank you very much for your time today. 01:03:46.270 --> 01:03:47.200 Thank you. 01:03:47.200 --> 01:03:48.893 Operator, next caller please. 01:03:50.780 --> 01:03:53.090 Our next caller is from Susan Aposky. 01:03:53.090 --> 01:03:53.983 You may go ahead. 01:03:55.120 --> 01:03:56.012 Hi. 01:03:56.012 --> 01:03:56.845 Thank you for taking my call. 01:03:56.845 --> 01:04:00.140 I'm a registered voter and tax payer and solar panel owner 01:04:00.140 --> 01:04:04.390 in Berkeley urging you to reject NEM 3.0, 01:04:04.390 --> 01:04:06.740 it takes us backwards instead of forwards, 01:04:06.740 --> 01:04:08.890 please say no to the solar tax. 01:04:08.890 --> 01:04:12.470 Make solar more affordable, not less for all of us. 01:04:12.470 --> 01:04:14.700 Please honor the existing 20 year protection 01:04:14.700 --> 01:04:16.170 for solar users. 01:04:16.170 --> 01:04:19.050 NEM 3.0 is nothing but a giveaway to the big utilities 01:04:19.050 --> 01:04:21.080 who's been frowned, criminally negligent 01:04:21.080 --> 01:04:24.340 and responsible for hundreds of wildfires. 01:04:24.340 --> 01:04:27.530 Please do not pub punish hardworking Californians 01:04:27.530 --> 01:04:29.600 for putting solar on their roofs. 01:04:29.600 --> 01:04:32.010 We're trying to prevent climate change, 01:04:32.010 --> 01:04:33.840 wildfires and blackouts. 01:04:33.840 --> 01:04:37.930 Not add to the problem as the utilities have been doing. 01:04:37.930 --> 01:04:41.100 Please put the public back in the California public 01:04:41.100 --> 01:04:43.870 utilities Commission and do the right thing. 01:04:43.870 --> 01:04:44.853 Thank you so much. 01:04:45.770 --> 01:04:48.520 Thank you, operator, next caller, please. 01:04:50.227 --> 01:04:52.560 Our next caller is Theresa Wynn. 01:04:52.560 --> 01:04:53.410 You may go ahead. 01:05:00.650 --> 01:05:02.530 Good afternoon Commissioner. 01:05:02.530 --> 01:05:05.300 My name is Theresa Wynn in San Jose. 01:05:05.300 --> 01:05:06.470 This is an issue. 01:05:06.470 --> 01:05:08.690 This issue very went to meet my family 01:05:08.690 --> 01:05:12.833 and all the residential and the consumer. 01:05:13.820 --> 01:05:16.970 I didn't know about the affordable solar for low income. 01:05:16.970 --> 01:05:20.140 So, I apply for personal loan for $15,000 01:05:20.140 --> 01:05:23.120 to purchase a solar panel for my house. 01:05:23.120 --> 01:05:28.120 And I am the only sole provider with income 48,000 per year. 01:05:29.900 --> 01:05:32.093 Solar panel has helped me a lot. 01:05:33.090 --> 01:05:35.520 You know, like I say every penny account. 01:05:35.520 --> 01:05:38.730 So they do save my energy bill. 01:05:38.730 --> 01:05:41.210 And I also believe that to teach my kids 01:05:41.210 --> 01:05:43.963 to be go green and clean air and savior, 01:05:45.330 --> 01:05:48.573 please do not adopt proposal for the solar tax. 01:05:50.090 --> 01:05:52.563 And just one quick request. 01:05:53.730 --> 01:05:55.813 Do you have a winning lottery numbers? 01:05:57.890 --> 01:06:00.020 Just a joke. (laughing) 01:06:00.020 --> 01:06:00.853 Thank you. 01:06:02.370 --> 01:06:04.763 Thank you, operator, next caller, please. 01:06:06.200 --> 01:06:08.130 Our next caller is Don Lebarake. 01:06:08.130 --> 01:06:09.013 You may go ahead. 01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:14.263 Yes. 01:06:17.420 --> 01:06:18.320 Please go ahead. 01:06:26.090 --> 01:06:27.170 And Don your line open. 01:06:27.170 --> 01:06:28.350 We're not able to hear you. 01:06:28.350 --> 01:06:29.850 Please check your mute button. 01:06:35.930 --> 01:06:36.933 Doesn't open. 01:06:38.070 --> 01:06:39.723 Mr. Lebarake, please go ahead. 01:06:53.870 --> 01:06:55.890 It looks like Don's line has disconnected. 01:06:55.890 --> 01:06:59.810 Our next caller is Sasha Champlinter. 01:06:59.810 --> 01:07:00.660 You may go ahead. 01:07:03.604 --> 01:07:05.150 [Sasha Champlinter] Hello. My name is Sasha Champlinter. 01:07:05.150 --> 01:07:07.520 I'm the owner of Harmony Air 01:07:07.520 --> 01:07:11.770 and we are a local family owned company in Lake county, 01:07:11.770 --> 01:07:15.410 California have been around for 15 years 01:07:15.410 --> 01:07:20.410 and we providing jobs for local people and their families. 01:07:21.160 --> 01:07:23.700 And I'm strongly opposed NEM three, 01:07:23.700 --> 01:07:26.930 because it's gonna kill our business. 01:07:26.930 --> 01:07:29.240 It's gonna take away the ability of our workers 01:07:29.240 --> 01:07:33.130 to have ability to provide their families. 01:07:33.130 --> 01:07:35.430 There is no mystery or doubt that NEM three 01:07:35.430 --> 01:07:39.320 is there to support profit for utilities, 01:07:39.320 --> 01:07:41.530 and it's certainly against people of California 01:07:41.530 --> 01:07:43.523 and climate and planet. 01:07:44.680 --> 01:07:48.080 Please do not support NEM three 01:07:49.020 --> 01:07:52.370 besides the economic problem. 01:07:52.370 --> 01:07:55.640 The distributed solar is the only way to support 01:07:56.720 --> 01:07:59.870 the local community over here during the power outages, 01:07:59.870 --> 01:08:04.870 due to fire, utilities have a certainly no way whatsoever 01:08:05.440 --> 01:08:09.740 to provide energy when the grid collapses 01:08:09.740 --> 01:08:12.180 during the(indistinct)(alarm ringing) 01:08:12.180 --> 01:08:13.497 Thank you very much. 01:08:13.497 --> 01:08:14.330 Thank you. 01:08:14.330 --> 01:08:15.380 Thank you very much. 01:08:15.380 --> 01:08:16.830 Operator, next caller please. 01:08:18.530 --> 01:08:20.590 Our next caller is Jackie Eckland. 01:08:20.590 --> 01:08:21.443 You may go ahead. 01:08:22.700 --> 01:08:24.740 Hi, Can you hear me? 01:08:24.740 --> 01:08:26.990 Yes, we can please go ahead. 01:08:26.990 --> 01:08:30.240 Hi, Jackie Eckland residence of Torrance, 01:08:30.240 --> 01:08:33.520 please do not adopt the proposal for a rooftop solar tax. 01:08:33.520 --> 01:08:35.520 A couple years ago, I installed solar panels 01:08:35.520 --> 01:08:37.220 to protect the environment. 01:08:37.220 --> 01:08:38.270 I've always conserved. 01:08:38.270 --> 01:08:40.280 I was brought up that way to protect 01:08:40.280 --> 01:08:41.570 the environment, conserve energy. 01:08:41.570 --> 01:08:44.100 And when I was a customer of Southern California Edison, 01:08:44.100 --> 01:08:46.280 I paid no more than $35 a month. 01:08:46.280 --> 01:08:47.940 This new proposal would charge a higher fee 01:08:47.940 --> 01:08:50.970 than my old Southern California Edison bill. 01:08:50.970 --> 01:08:53.530 People will not be encouraged or able to afford 01:08:53.530 --> 01:08:55.830 to install solar panels if this passes. 01:08:55.830 --> 01:08:58.270 We've seen the effects of climate change in our state, 01:08:58.270 --> 01:09:00.110 this proposal does not help in this effort. 01:09:00.110 --> 01:09:02.840 It only rewards the utility companies. 01:09:02.840 --> 01:09:04.040 Thank you for your time. 01:09:05.370 --> 01:09:06.203 Thank you. 01:09:06.203 --> 01:09:07.493 Operator, next caller please. 01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:12.010 Our next caller is Faye Johnson. 01:09:12.010 --> 01:09:12.860 You may go ahead. 01:09:13.860 --> 01:09:14.860 Hi. 01:09:16.040 --> 01:09:18.840 I live in Santa Cruz in the Santa Cruz mountains 01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:23.840 and we are in the highest tier for wildfire risk. 01:09:25.380 --> 01:09:30.380 And we're also in the CZU lightning fire complex area. 01:09:31.020 --> 01:09:35.860 Although to be fair, this is not one that PG&E caused. 01:09:35.860 --> 01:09:40.860 So, we get a lot of those public safety power shut off. 01:09:41.060 --> 01:09:45.170 And when they shut off our power, 01:09:45.170 --> 01:09:49.580 we are at the end of the transmission line and PG&E 01:09:49.580 --> 01:09:54.100 has to travel over a 100 miles to check out 01:09:54.100 --> 01:09:58.460 elderly miles of transmission line. 01:09:58.460 --> 01:10:03.460 So, the local solar and storage batteries are just about 01:10:04.580 --> 01:10:08.770 our only chance to keep our medical appliances working 01:10:08.770 --> 01:10:11.240 and medications and food safe. 01:10:11.240 --> 01:10:15.490 Please do not tax us for having done the right thing. 01:10:15.490 --> 01:10:16.323 Thank you. 01:10:17.420 --> 01:10:18.253 Thank you. 01:10:18.253 --> 01:10:19.803 Operator next caller, please. 01:10:21.570 --> 01:10:23.140 Our next caller is Gary Brown. 01:10:23.140 --> 01:10:24.043 You may go ahead. 01:10:25.870 --> 01:10:27.120 Thank you. 01:10:28.170 --> 01:10:32.710 And thanks to the president and the Commissioners and staff. 01:10:32.710 --> 01:10:34.200 My name's Gary Brown. 01:10:34.200 --> 01:10:39.140 I'm a working class resident located in California 01:10:40.050 --> 01:10:44.403 and I've devoted a great deal of financial resources 01:10:45.890 --> 01:10:48.877 towards solar energy and the cars 01:10:50.100 --> 01:10:55.100 installing rooftop solar and electric vehicle 01:10:55.840 --> 01:10:57.790 and dealing with the finances. 01:10:57.790 --> 01:11:00.840 And I find it's shockingly disappointing 01:11:00.840 --> 01:11:04.390 that our Governor and the California Public Utility 01:11:04.390 --> 01:11:07.510 Commission would undercut and penalize working class 01:11:07.510 --> 01:11:09.940 Americans that invest and promote efforts 01:11:09.940 --> 01:11:14.290 to fight climate change, to stop the proliferation 01:11:14.290 --> 01:11:18.270 of air pollution by fossil fuel power plants. 01:11:18.270 --> 01:11:22.740 You know, this ruling runs contrary to the historical 01:11:22.740 --> 01:11:24.900 California clean air efforts to achieve 01:11:24.900 --> 01:11:27.290 sustainable energy goals. 01:11:27.290 --> 01:11:31.750 Not only is it disingenuous and bad faith regulatory policy, 01:11:31.750 --> 01:11:34.800 but it violate the principles of fairness 01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:37.320 to impose fixed charges on customers 01:11:38.781 --> 01:11:41.299 and who choose to install solar systems. 01:11:41.299 --> 01:11:43.920 This--(indistinct) (alarm ringing) 01:11:43.920 --> 01:11:45.660 Thank you very much. 01:11:45.660 --> 01:11:47.204 Okay, bye. 01:11:47.204 --> 01:11:48.037 Thanks for your comments. 01:11:48.037 --> 01:11:49.583 Operator, next caller please. 01:11:52.240 --> 01:11:54.810 Our next caller is Ahe Ginsburg. 01:11:54.810 --> 01:11:56.040 You're not, line is open 01:11:56.040 --> 01:11:57.140 Can you hear me? 01:11:57.140 --> 01:11:57.973 Can you hear me? 01:11:57.973 --> 01:12:00.320 Yes we can, please go ahead. 01:12:00.320 --> 01:12:03.550 My name is Ahe Ginsburg and I'm involved in our family 01:12:03.550 --> 01:12:06.610 owned startup company GizmoPower.com. 01:12:06.610 --> 01:12:10.300 Gizmo power is spelled with an S and we created Gizmo power 01:12:10.300 --> 01:12:12.260 to support our daughter Antonia 01:12:13.707 --> 01:12:14.870 develop at market her invention, 01:12:14.870 --> 01:12:18.390 a powerful portable solar car port on wheels 01:12:18.390 --> 01:12:20.850 is integrated EV charger. 01:12:20.850 --> 01:12:23.400 With the current rate proposal and the solar tax 01:12:23.400 --> 01:12:26.740 we would not be able to grow our business in California. 01:12:26.740 --> 01:12:29.230 Net metering is a just compensation rate 01:12:29.230 --> 01:12:31.700 for renewable electricity generation, 01:12:31.700 --> 01:12:33.650 close to the location where the renewable 01:12:33.650 --> 01:12:35.690 electricity is needed. 01:12:35.690 --> 01:12:39.780 Distributed PV installations avoid significant upgrade costs 01:12:39.780 --> 01:12:41.750 to the electric grid in comparison 01:12:41.750 --> 01:12:44.020 to utility owned solar bonds, 01:12:44.020 --> 01:12:47.010 which are located far away from the users. 01:12:47.010 --> 01:12:49.460 As the California Public Utility Commission 01:12:49.460 --> 01:12:52.340 you should honor this reality and reject the distorted 01:12:52.340 --> 01:12:55.300 narrative of cross subsidy to derail 01:12:55.300 --> 01:12:59.500 the just compensation rate for are an effective technology. 01:12:59.500 --> 01:13:03.442 The current net metering compensation rate is not too high. 01:13:03.442 --> 01:13:04.344 (alarm ringing) 01:13:04.344 --> 01:13:05.570 The current net metering rate is too low 01:13:05.570 --> 01:13:07.804 if you take the additional real estate cost-- 01:13:07.804 --> 01:13:09.513 Thank you very much 01:13:09.513 --> 01:13:11.190 Thanks for your comments. 01:13:11.190 --> 01:13:13.003 Operator, next caller please. 01:13:14.096 --> 01:13:15.620 Our next caller is Jim Shaw. 01:13:15.620 --> 01:13:16.563 You may go ahead. 01:13:18.220 --> 01:13:19.880 Hi, my name is Jim Shaw. 01:13:19.880 --> 01:13:22.570 I'm with O'Connell Solar Consulting. 01:13:22.570 --> 01:13:26.870 Our primary business is representing farmers in agriculture. 01:13:26.870 --> 01:13:30.423 Agriculture is one of the cornerstones of our economy. 01:13:30.423 --> 01:13:32.470 It's one of the only industries that pays 01:13:32.470 --> 01:13:35.070 sickly pays retail for everything, 01:13:35.070 --> 01:13:37.763 and then sells at wholesale everything it produces, 01:13:38.730 --> 01:13:42.640 which still we faced with additional costs of doing business 01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:45.360 and hedging our electrical costs with solar 01:13:45.360 --> 01:13:47.880 is the only overhead we can hedge with 01:13:47.880 --> 01:13:50.850 to be both environmentally and financially sustainable 01:13:51.830 --> 01:13:54.750 because the majority of agricultural is seasonal 01:13:54.750 --> 01:13:57.540 were highly dependent on export credits. 01:13:57.540 --> 01:13:59.880 The proposals under consideration will destroy 01:13:59.880 --> 01:14:02.210 the economic feasibility of solar 01:14:02.210 --> 01:14:04.900 for our seasonal pumps and processors. 01:14:04.900 --> 01:14:07.920 The result, lost jobs in both solar 01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:09.590 and agricultural industries 01:14:09.590 --> 01:14:12.610 and higher food costs for everyone. 01:14:12.610 --> 01:14:15.110 Please rule against the proposed rate changes 01:14:15.110 --> 01:14:17.870 in their present form and continue to support 01:14:17.870 --> 01:14:21.330 customer side distributed energy. 01:14:21.330 --> 01:14:22.910 Thank you. 01:14:22.910 --> 01:14:25.313 Thank you, operator, next caller, please. 01:14:28.600 --> 01:14:30.570 Our next caller is Tom Thompson. 01:14:30.570 --> 01:14:31.420 You may go ahead. 01:14:34.877 --> 01:14:37.710 I just...(indistinct) 01:14:37.710 --> 01:14:38.970 Again Tom Thompson, 01:14:38.970 --> 01:14:39.960 your line is open. 01:14:39.960 --> 01:14:40.810 You may go ahead. 01:14:43.420 --> 01:14:44.253 I'm a loader. 01:14:44.253 --> 01:14:46.240 I work...(indistinct) 01:14:46.240 --> 01:14:48.540 Mr. Thompson, we're ready for your comments. 01:14:51.670 --> 01:14:52.503 Hello, I'm here. 01:14:52.503 --> 01:14:53.336 Thank you. 01:14:54.910 --> 01:14:56.960 Thank you for the opportunity to testify. 01:14:57.950 --> 01:15:00.110 My name is Tom Thompson and I'm the vice president 01:15:00.110 --> 01:15:02.163 of sales for the Solaria corporation, 01:15:03.440 --> 01:15:06.510 a renewable energy, solar energy technology company 01:15:06.510 --> 01:15:08.593 headquartered in Fremont, California. 01:15:13.540 --> 01:15:15.690 Solaria establishes global manufacturing 01:15:15.690 --> 01:15:18.360 and R&D base in the bay area over 20 years ago 01:15:18.360 --> 01:15:21.950 based on California's leadership in the public policy arena 01:15:21.950 --> 01:15:24.230 and the role that smart energy policies play 01:15:24.230 --> 01:15:27.200 creating viable competitive markets. 01:15:27.200 --> 01:15:29.630 It has worked during our two plus decades 01:15:29.630 --> 01:15:31.970 here we have employed thousands of Californians 01:15:31.970 --> 01:15:34.360 while contributing billions of dollars 01:15:34.360 --> 01:15:36.960 to California's economic engine. 01:15:36.960 --> 01:15:39.177 We are speaking an opposition to the proposed 01:15:39.177 --> 01:15:43.185 NEM three decision, what has become known as the solar tax. 01:15:43.185 --> 01:15:45.680 The NEM three proposed decision is extreme. 01:15:45.680 --> 01:15:48.190 It would quickly cut California's rooftop market 01:15:48.190 --> 01:15:51.980 by as much as 50% quoting to billions of dollars 01:15:51.980 --> 01:15:53.970 of economic activity. 01:15:53.970 --> 01:15:55.413 For me and my colleagues at Solaria, 01:15:55.413 --> 01:15:58.170 the NEM three proposed decision puts our jobs 01:15:58.170 --> 01:16:00.310 and our family's like security at risk, 01:16:00.310 --> 01:16:03.620 but the job killing effects of the NEM three solar tax, 01:16:03.620 --> 01:16:05.500 as you have heard from many today, 01:16:05.500 --> 01:16:07.058 extend well beyond solar area. 01:16:07.058 --> 01:16:08.160 (alarm ringing) 01:16:08.160 --> 01:16:09.492 Thank you very much. 01:16:09.492 --> 01:16:10.376 Thank you very much. 01:16:10.376 --> 01:16:11.209 I encourage you to consider it. 01:16:11.209 --> 01:16:12.042 Thank you. 01:16:12.042 --> 01:16:12.875 Thank you very much. 01:16:12.875 --> 01:16:14.110 Operator Nick caller, please. 01:16:15.880 --> 01:16:17.430 Our next caller is Stephanie Brown. 01:16:17.430 --> 01:16:18.373 You may go ahead. 01:16:23.070 --> 01:16:23.990 Hello. 01:16:23.990 --> 01:16:28.850 Stephanie Brown representing TWW Indivisible Los Gatos 01:16:29.700 --> 01:16:31.770 OCI orchard city indivisible, 01:16:31.770 --> 01:16:34.740 which is in Silicon valley and myself. 01:16:34.740 --> 01:16:38.330 I'm a resident of San Jose and I'm thrilled 01:16:38.330 --> 01:16:40.190 to be participating in this amazing 01:16:40.190 --> 01:16:41.590 demonstration of democracy. 01:16:41.590 --> 01:16:44.720 I'm honored to join these people as I'm sure 01:16:44.720 --> 01:16:47.610 the Commission is honored to be listening. 01:16:47.610 --> 01:16:50.160 And I also wanna welcome the two new Commissioners. 01:16:51.190 --> 01:16:55.250 I only wanna say join in with the other voices, 01:16:55.250 --> 01:16:58.240 but say that we need solutions 01:16:58.240 --> 01:17:01.410 for the climate crisis today. 01:17:01.410 --> 01:17:05.220 Not tomorrow, it's starting to be too late. 01:17:05.220 --> 01:17:08.040 So we really need the Commission to please 01:17:08.040 --> 01:17:11.960 lead our state in finding really good solutions. 01:17:11.960 --> 01:17:14.640 Let's not change the current incentive. 01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:17.430 As a matter of fact, please, I plead with you 01:17:17.430 --> 01:17:19.780 lead the Governor, lead the state, 01:17:19.780 --> 01:17:24.570 lead our citizens in increasing the incentives. 01:17:26.540 --> 01:17:27.653 Thank you very much. 01:17:28.740 --> 01:17:30.120 Thank you, operator. 01:17:30.120 --> 01:17:31.233 Next caller, please. 01:17:33.361 --> 01:17:34.970 Our next caller is Addison marks. 01:17:34.970 --> 01:17:35.883 You may go ahead. 01:17:39.100 --> 01:17:40.014 Yeah. 01:17:40.014 --> 01:17:40.847 Hi everybody. 01:17:40.847 --> 01:17:43.700 20 years ago, I started selling to home builders 01:17:43.700 --> 01:17:45.550 'cause I thought it was a good idea when a new home 01:17:45.550 --> 01:17:50.270 was being built to put solar on and now approaching 01:17:50.270 --> 01:17:55.270 19, 20 years later, we've done about a 100,000 homes 01:17:55.330 --> 01:17:58.220 that service, moderate single family 01:17:58.220 --> 01:18:00.850 multi-family homeowners with solar. 01:18:00.850 --> 01:18:03.040 Our team at Sun Tower has grown 01:18:03.040 --> 01:18:05.860 about 250 employees in our business unit. 01:18:05.860 --> 01:18:10.250 If NEM three passes, it's gonna undermine 01:18:10.250 --> 01:18:13.060 the value proposition for new homes. 01:18:13.060 --> 01:18:15.860 And it's actually gonna cause homeowners more 01:18:15.860 --> 01:18:19.370 to pay for energy than if they did not have solar at all. 01:18:19.370 --> 01:18:22.430 So, the result of this would be less affordable homes 01:18:22.430 --> 01:18:25.980 and an already expensive market in California. 01:18:25.980 --> 01:18:28.230 And will decrease California's residence, 01:18:28.230 --> 01:18:32.030 the ability to own an afford a home in our great state. 01:18:32.030 --> 01:18:34.870 So, I urge you on behalf behalf of California homeowners 01:18:34.870 --> 01:18:37.950 and new constructed homes that are being mandated 01:18:37.950 --> 01:18:41.430 to have solar to reject this proposal. 01:18:41.430 --> 01:18:43.300 Thank you very much. 01:18:43.300 --> 01:18:44.200 Thank you. 01:18:44.200 --> 01:18:45.713 Operator, next caller please. 01:18:48.030 --> 01:18:50.350 Our next caller is Marcy Snyder. 01:18:50.350 --> 01:18:51.323 You may go ahead. 01:18:56.550 --> 01:18:57.383 Yes. 01:18:57.383 --> 01:18:59.370 Good afternoon Governor Newsome 01:18:59.370 --> 01:19:01.180 and members of the Commission. 01:19:01.180 --> 01:19:04.460 My name is Marcy Snyder and I live in Fort Bragg. 01:19:04.460 --> 01:19:07.130 I think the voters are speaking really loudly to you 01:19:07.130 --> 01:19:09.350 and I want to thank all the people 01:19:09.350 --> 01:19:12.550 that have called in opposing this proposal 01:19:12.550 --> 01:19:16.760 by the investor owned utility. 01:19:16.760 --> 01:19:20.893 I have been a rooftop solar person. 01:19:22.176 --> 01:19:23.970 I've had rooftop solar for over 30 years. 01:19:23.970 --> 01:19:27.710 I urge you to please fix this proposal 01:19:27.710 --> 01:19:29.500 in the following ways. 01:19:29.500 --> 01:19:33.090 No solar tax, no one should be penalized 01:19:33.090 --> 01:19:35.273 for having solar on their rooftops. 01:19:36.740 --> 01:19:38.940 Net three metering. 01:19:38.940 --> 01:19:43.940 It has to be penciled out and to honor the 20 year contract 01:19:46.280 --> 01:19:51.280 with that you have with solar users scraps this proposal 01:19:51.300 --> 01:19:56.300 from the IOUs rooftop solar saves taxpayers money, 01:19:56.910 --> 01:20:01.290 rooftop solar directly mitigate addresses, 01:20:01.290 --> 01:20:02.466 California wildfire. 01:20:02.466 --> 01:20:04.640 (alarm ringing) 01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:05.473 Thank you. 01:20:05.473 --> 01:20:07.620 Rooftop, solar direct-- 01:20:07.620 --> 01:20:08.770 Operator. 01:20:08.770 --> 01:20:09.603 Thank you. 01:20:09.603 --> 01:20:10.840 We need to move to the next caller. 01:20:10.840 --> 01:20:11.673 Thank you. 01:20:12.610 --> 01:20:15.050 Our next caller is Angelica Vale 01:20:15.050 --> 01:20:16.523 You, you may go ahead. 01:20:20.180 --> 01:20:21.350 Hello. 01:20:21.350 --> 01:20:22.960 Hi, my name is Angelica Vale 01:20:22.960 --> 01:20:24.330 and I live in TLE, California. 01:20:24.330 --> 01:20:26.270 I'm against the proposed solar penalty fee 01:20:26.270 --> 01:20:29.760 and I'm against slashing the value of rooftop solar by 80%. 01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:31.280 Nobody should pay a penalty for putting 01:20:31.280 --> 01:20:32.780 solar panels on their roof. 01:20:32.780 --> 01:20:35.820 Rooftop solar empowers homeowners and prevents harmful 01:20:35.820 --> 01:20:38.280 developments of solar fields by the utilities 01:20:38.280 --> 01:20:40.960 and extension of supporting grids, California 01:20:40.960 --> 01:20:45.180 should be doing more, not less to promote rooftop solar. 01:20:45.180 --> 01:20:48.400 Please show us your serious about the rate hikes, 01:20:48.400 --> 01:20:51.410 blackout, inner pollution saying no to the utilities 01:20:51.410 --> 01:20:54.060 profit grab and say yes to helping millions 01:20:54.060 --> 01:20:56.240 of working class people to get solar. 01:20:56.240 --> 01:20:58.380 Please support the expansion of solar 01:20:58.380 --> 01:21:01.340 and the battery storage by expanding tax rebates, 01:21:01.340 --> 01:21:03.660 state rebates, and making solar more affordable. 01:21:03.660 --> 01:21:06.290 Please end the support for NEM 3.0, 01:21:06.290 --> 01:21:10.213 please help reduce the ROI for the utility. 01:21:11.730 --> 01:21:12.563 Thank you. 01:21:13.570 --> 01:21:14.410 Thank you. 01:21:14.410 --> 01:21:15.903 Operator, next caller please. 01:21:17.280 --> 01:21:18.900 Our next caller is Jennifer Tanner. 01:21:18.900 --> 01:21:19.863 You may go ahead. 01:21:21.470 --> 01:21:22.633 Yes. 01:21:22.633 --> 01:21:26.490 Hi Jennifer Tanner, invisible California green team. 01:21:26.490 --> 01:21:27.387 Thank you all for hanging in there 01:21:27.387 --> 01:21:29.550 and letting all of us speak. 01:21:29.550 --> 01:21:32.040 There is a consortium of fossil fuel funded groups 01:21:32.040 --> 01:21:35.800 with the same agenda to Kill top solar all over America. 01:21:35.800 --> 01:21:38.760 And I see you're wondering about the similarity, 01:21:38.760 --> 01:21:42.200 as we speak, Florida legislature is considering a bill 01:21:42.200 --> 01:21:45.250 eerily similar to what the CPUC is proposing. 01:21:45.250 --> 01:21:46.880 Is that a coincidence. 01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:48.900 All over America, there are special actions 01:21:48.900 --> 01:21:51.470 in various states to kill top solar at the behest 01:21:51.470 --> 01:21:54.190 of the IOU'S for their profits at the expense 01:21:54.190 --> 01:21:56.433 of clean energy and climate resilience. 01:21:57.500 --> 01:22:01.150 Alec, a fossil fuel funded tank is notorious 01:22:01.150 --> 01:22:05.010 for promoting ideas to kill all of rooftop solar, 01:22:05.010 --> 01:22:07.047 is that who we listen to? 01:22:07.047 --> 01:22:09.970 120,000 people over 600 groups, 01:22:09.970 --> 01:22:11.790 cities and schools have already told you 01:22:11.790 --> 01:22:12.767 what the right thing is. 01:22:12.767 --> 01:22:15.170 And 450 people today. 01:22:15.170 --> 01:22:16.400 Please listen to them. 01:22:16.400 --> 01:22:18.393 Not fossil fuel funded interests, 01:22:20.043 --> 01:22:22.220 under your new leadership Commissioner Reynolds 01:22:22.220 --> 01:22:23.910 and the other two new ones. 01:22:23.910 --> 01:22:27.640 Can we please go back to California leading way? 01:22:27.640 --> 01:22:28.473 Thank you. 01:22:29.380 --> 01:22:30.420 Thank you. 01:22:30.420 --> 01:22:31.883 Operator, next caller please. 01:22:35.050 --> 01:22:36.760 Our next caller is Linda Hemingway. 01:22:36.760 --> 01:22:38.444 You may go ahead. 01:22:38.444 --> 01:22:39.277 Okay. 01:22:39.277 --> 01:22:41.800 Hi, my name is Linda Hemingway. 01:22:41.800 --> 01:22:44.660 I live in Santa Rosa, California. 01:22:44.660 --> 01:22:48.770 15 years ago, we put solar panels on our house. 01:22:48.770 --> 01:22:52.743 We are retired teachers by definition not rich. 01:22:54.220 --> 01:22:58.130 We have, we are not part of the problem. 01:22:58.130 --> 01:22:59.530 We are part of the solution. 01:23:00.490 --> 01:23:02.530 We do our part. 01:23:02.530 --> 01:23:05.010 We brag about our solar panels all the time 01:23:05.010 --> 01:23:07.920 and encourage everyone we know to get them. 01:23:07.920 --> 01:23:11.370 We lived up to the deal we made 15 years ago. 01:23:11.370 --> 01:23:14.610 Now this proposed change breaks the rules 01:23:14.610 --> 01:23:16.550 and hurts folks like us. 01:23:16.550 --> 01:23:18.550 Please reject this proposal. 01:23:18.550 --> 01:23:19.383 Thank you. 01:23:20.440 --> 01:23:21.320 Thank you. 01:23:21.320 --> 01:23:22.863 Operator, next caller please. 01:23:24.550 --> 01:23:26.330 Our next caller is Dana Smith. 01:23:26.330 --> 01:23:27.180 You may go ahead. 01:23:28.850 --> 01:23:29.683 This is Dana Smith. 01:23:29.683 --> 01:23:31.710 I've been in solar for 11 years. 01:23:31.710 --> 01:23:35.280 I sell residential commercial, nonprofit, solar. 01:23:35.280 --> 01:23:38.520 I'm old enough to witness when tobacco companies could buy 01:23:38.520 --> 01:23:42.440 reports in white papers saying smoking didn't cause cancer 01:23:42.440 --> 01:23:45.140 and witness people that should know better believe them. 01:23:45.140 --> 01:23:48.880 I learned a new term today, captured regulator. 01:23:48.880 --> 01:23:51.370 Now I'm witnessing utilities buying reports 01:23:51.370 --> 01:23:54.000 that shift blame away from real problems. 01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:56.640 These reports have a few true facts about solar, 01:23:56.640 --> 01:23:58.900 but they're mostly misleading and untrue. 01:23:58.900 --> 01:24:00.830 A librarian would not know whether to file 01:24:00.830 --> 01:24:02.970 'em under fiction or comedy. 01:24:02.970 --> 01:24:04.800 The cost shift is true, 01:24:04.800 --> 01:24:06.610 but it's when consumers give too much 01:24:06.610 --> 01:24:08.840 hard earned dollars to the utilities. 01:24:08.840 --> 01:24:10.710 That's the true cost shift. 01:24:10.710 --> 01:24:12.490 Californians pay way too much, 01:24:12.490 --> 01:24:15.690 much higher than other places in the country in the world. 01:24:15.690 --> 01:24:18.780 It is the CPUCs responsibility. 01:24:18.780 --> 01:24:20.200 Fix that problem. 01:24:20.200 --> 01:24:21.800 Fix the utilities. 01:24:21.800 --> 01:24:23.390 Please leave solar alone. 01:24:23.390 --> 01:24:26.200 Consumers are fleeing these high rates. 01:24:26.200 --> 01:24:27.290 That's the problem. 01:24:27.290 --> 01:24:30.010 Fix high rates, please don't kill solar and close 01:24:30.010 --> 01:24:32.820 the only exit consumers have. 01:24:32.820 --> 01:24:34.820 Thank you. (alarm ringing) 01:24:34.820 --> 01:24:36.100 Thank you. 01:24:36.100 --> 01:24:37.700 Operator our next caller please. 01:24:41.830 --> 01:24:43.500 Our next caller is Andrew Hoopers. 01:24:43.500 --> 01:24:44.350 You may go ahead. 01:24:50.300 --> 01:24:51.133 Hello? 01:24:51.133 --> 01:24:52.410 Can you hear me? 01:24:52.410 --> 01:24:54.330 Yes, we can hear you please go ahead. 01:24:54.330 --> 01:24:55.163 Okay. 01:24:55.163 --> 01:24:56.120 Last name is actually pubs. 01:24:56.120 --> 01:24:58.210 I'm a resident in SIM valley, California. 01:24:58.210 --> 01:25:01.710 And let me remind you, this is the CPUC mission statement. 01:25:01.710 --> 01:25:03.930 The California public utilities Commission 01:25:03.930 --> 01:25:07.220 serves the public interest by protecting consumers 01:25:07.220 --> 01:25:10.480 and ensuring the provision of safe, reliable utilities, 01:25:10.480 --> 01:25:13.690 service, and infrastructure reasonable rate 01:25:13.690 --> 01:25:16.710 with a comment, commitment, excuse me, 01:25:16.710 --> 01:25:19.010 to environmental enhancement 01:25:19.010 --> 01:25:21.580 and healthy California economy. 01:25:21.580 --> 01:25:23.330 I have to say, if you approve this, 01:25:23.330 --> 01:25:25.660 you are derelict in that mission statement. 01:25:25.660 --> 01:25:26.690 That's all I have. 01:25:28.440 --> 01:25:29.433 Thank you, operator. 01:25:29.433 --> 01:25:31.033 Next caller, please. 01:25:32.460 --> 01:25:34.290 Our next caller is Cindy Bailey. 01:25:34.290 --> 01:25:35.240 You make, go ahead. 01:25:36.840 --> 01:25:38.020 Hi, I'm Cindy Bailey. 01:25:38.020 --> 01:25:40.080 I live in Culver city, California. 01:25:40.080 --> 01:25:44.040 And I'm on this call to plead with you 01:25:44.040 --> 01:25:46.930 to oppose this proposal. 01:25:46.930 --> 01:25:50.480 It is flawed on so many levels 01:25:50.480 --> 01:25:52.530 for those people who called in to say they thought 01:25:52.530 --> 01:25:54.680 it was a good idea because we have our peak hours 01:25:54.680 --> 01:25:57.010 on some, not during the sunshine. 01:25:57.010 --> 01:26:01.250 Those of us who have batteries have a solution for that. 01:26:01.250 --> 01:26:03.930 We do the battery storage with our extra solar 01:26:03.930 --> 01:26:06.530 throughout the day, and then we give it back to the grid. 01:26:06.530 --> 01:26:08.760 So, the answer to that problem is to get 01:26:08.760 --> 01:26:12.203 more people and give more incentives for battery storage. 01:26:13.060 --> 01:26:16.380 I would absolutely agree with everyone else 01:26:16.380 --> 01:26:17.890 that is on the call. 01:26:17.890 --> 01:26:21.100 What they've said, I was a forestry major to begin with 01:26:21.100 --> 01:26:22.970 and ended up as a healthcare per professional 01:26:22.970 --> 01:26:24.460 and a first responder. 01:26:24.460 --> 01:26:29.460 So, I put on solar a year ago and with... 01:26:29.590 --> 01:26:33.150 I will not break even for two, three or four more years. 01:26:33.150 --> 01:26:35.620 And now if this goes through, I will never break even. 01:26:35.620 --> 01:26:38.290 It will have cost me to put solar on. 01:26:38.290 --> 01:26:41.800 I do pay grid fees every month on my adjusted bill, 01:26:41.800 --> 01:26:43.990 just like everyone else. (alarm ringing) 01:26:43.990 --> 01:26:44.840 Thank you. 01:26:44.840 --> 01:26:45.673 Thank you. 01:26:46.710 --> 01:26:48.263 Operator, next caller please. 01:26:50.090 --> 01:26:52.020 Our next caller is Richard Scaff. 01:26:52.020 --> 01:26:52.853 You may go ahead 01:27:00.430 --> 01:27:02.200 Again, Richard Scaff, your line is open. 01:27:02.200 --> 01:27:03.700 Please check your mute button. 01:27:10.240 --> 01:27:13.130 Mr Scaff, Please go ahead. 01:27:13.130 --> 01:27:13.963 Hello. 01:27:13.963 --> 01:27:14.910 Can you hear me? 01:27:14.910 --> 01:27:16.590 We can hear you now, please go ahead. 01:27:16.590 --> 01:27:17.741 Okay. 01:27:17.741 --> 01:27:18.574 Thank you, I apologize. 01:27:18.574 --> 01:27:19.407 My name is Richard Scaff. 01:27:19.407 --> 01:27:21.760 I live in Sonoma county, one of the Northern California 01:27:21.760 --> 01:27:25.510 counties devastated by PG&E caused wildfires 01:27:25.510 --> 01:27:27.540 that has destroyed communities and killed 01:27:27.540 --> 01:27:28.470 numerous residents. 01:27:28.470 --> 01:27:31.570 I am calling to ask that you reject the for-profit electric 01:27:31.570 --> 01:27:35.110 utility proposed solar penalty tax. 01:27:35.110 --> 01:27:37.980 And instead ask that you ensure that solar and battery 01:27:37.980 --> 01:27:41.270 storage becomes more affordable for low income working 01:27:41.270 --> 01:27:42.910 in middle class households, 01:27:42.910 --> 01:27:44.720 but especially for vulnerable seniors 01:27:44.720 --> 01:27:46.210 and people with disabilities, 01:27:46.210 --> 01:27:49.300 many of whom are medical baseline customers 01:27:49.300 --> 01:27:53.810 and are 20% of the California population. 01:27:53.810 --> 01:27:56.100 And our rooftop solar and battery storage 01:27:56.100 --> 01:27:57.890 is the best and proven way for people 01:27:57.890 --> 01:28:00.060 to protect themselves from power outages. 01:28:00.060 --> 01:28:02.290 This is especially important for vulnerable seniors 01:28:02.290 --> 01:28:05.120 and people with disabilities who depend on consistent 01:28:05.120 --> 01:28:07.280 electricity to operate life supporting medical 01:28:07.280 --> 01:28:08.670 and mobility equipment. 01:28:08.670 --> 01:28:11.050 The portable batteries that the electric utilities 01:28:11.050 --> 01:28:13.410 have funded for a few vulnerable seniors 01:28:13.410 --> 01:28:16.120 and people with disabilities have proven inadequate 01:28:16.120 --> 01:28:21.080 and for the rest of the state's vulnerable ratepayers 01:28:21.080 --> 01:28:23.057 permanently installed residential batteries 01:28:23.057 --> 01:28:26.360 and solar to recharge those batteries as the only 01:28:26.360 --> 01:28:28.320 mitigation that will assure that vulnerable 01:28:28.320 --> 01:28:31.010 seniors and people with disabilities have the needed 01:28:31.010 --> 01:28:34.200 consistent electric use electricity 01:28:34.200 --> 01:28:38.260 during electric utility DE energy events. 01:28:38.260 --> 01:28:41.500 Thank you very much. (alarm ringing) 01:28:41.500 --> 01:28:42.780 Thank you very much. 01:28:42.780 --> 01:28:44.473 Operator, next caller, please. 01:28:46.452 --> 01:28:48.000 Our next caller is Pete Marsh. 01:28:48.000 --> 01:28:49.053 You may go ahead. 01:28:55.837 --> 01:28:57.400 Hi, good afternoon Commissioners. 01:28:57.400 --> 01:28:59.100 I'm Pete marsh, founder and owner 01:28:59.100 --> 01:29:01.300 of Vector Green Power in Long Beach. 01:29:01.300 --> 01:29:03.130 I'm a veteran having served 30 years 01:29:03.130 --> 01:29:05.690 in the US Coast guard and the defense industry. 01:29:05.690 --> 01:29:07.950 When I learned about the harm we're doing to our economy 01:29:07.950 --> 01:29:11.630 and public health through fossil fire, global warming, 01:29:11.630 --> 01:29:14.490 I committed to transitioning into a renewable career 01:29:15.480 --> 01:29:16.950 as my third career. 01:29:16.950 --> 01:29:20.100 I self apprentice in solar construction earned a C46 01:29:20.100 --> 01:29:23.820 contract years license and founded a small business. 01:29:23.820 --> 01:29:25.473 I could see as soon as I entered the industry 01:29:25.473 --> 01:29:28.390 that the original them was not sustainable long term, 01:29:28.390 --> 01:29:31.040 it was designed to create an important industry 01:29:31.040 --> 01:29:33.320 at which it has succeeded wildly. 01:29:33.320 --> 01:29:35.320 I acknowledge it needs revision, 01:29:35.320 --> 01:29:39.400 but this PD is a complex clumsy misdirected policy 01:29:39.400 --> 01:29:41.210 that would decimate my company, 01:29:41.210 --> 01:29:42.830 just like all the other business owners 01:29:42.830 --> 01:29:45.320 and solar employees you've heard from today. 01:29:45.320 --> 01:29:47.880 I proudly marched in the LA rally two weeks ago, 01:29:47.880 --> 01:29:51.040 wearing my hard hat and my fall protection harness, 01:29:51.040 --> 01:29:54.740 carrying a sign that explained it was because CPUC 01:29:54.740 --> 01:29:57.840 was threatening to push my business off the roof. 01:29:57.840 --> 01:30:00.380 My three amazing granddaughters and I employ you 01:30:00.380 --> 01:30:02.830 so please, don't do that. 01:30:02.830 --> 01:30:04.270 Thank you. 01:30:04.270 --> 01:30:05.570 Thank you. 01:30:05.570 --> 01:30:07.283 Operator, next caller please. 01:30:08.850 --> 01:30:10.710 Our next caller is Jason Scott. 01:30:10.710 --> 01:30:11.603 You may go ahead. 01:30:16.840 --> 01:30:18.150 Hello, my name's Jason Scott. 01:30:18.150 --> 01:30:21.100 I'm a volunteer board member of the school 01:30:21.100 --> 01:30:23.090 for children with autism. 01:30:23.090 --> 01:30:25.110 These children have behaviors that prevent them 01:30:25.110 --> 01:30:29.320 from attending a typical public school in district. 01:30:29.320 --> 01:30:31.530 Our program is essentially a last chance for many 01:30:31.530 --> 01:30:34.260 of these children who have autism 01:30:34.260 --> 01:30:36.620 from being institutionalized. 01:30:36.620 --> 01:30:39.490 Schools have been hit with egregious rate increases 01:30:39.490 --> 01:30:42.730 and are forced to pull funds from educational programs 01:30:42.730 --> 01:30:44.600 to pay their elected bills. 01:30:44.600 --> 01:30:46.830 One of the ways to schools are able to reduce their costs 01:30:46.830 --> 01:30:49.180 through their rooftop is through rooftop solar. 01:30:50.110 --> 01:30:52.730 Schools can afford or can't afford to fund solar. 01:30:52.730 --> 01:30:55.470 So, these are funded through PPAs where a bank funds 01:30:55.470 --> 01:30:58.340 the project and they charge the schools substantially 01:30:58.340 --> 01:31:00.800 less than what the utility does. 01:31:00.800 --> 01:31:02.870 The PPAs are modeled on 20 year agreements 01:31:02.870 --> 01:31:07.870 from the utilities proposed by the banks and models as such. 01:31:09.010 --> 01:31:10.590 The proposed changes are gonna nullify 01:31:10.590 --> 01:31:12.300 all of these agreements and change 01:31:12.300 --> 01:31:14.023 all of the terms retroactively. 01:31:14.890 --> 01:31:16.770 The financial model used for these agreements 01:31:16.770 --> 01:31:18.620 will be thrown out the window and the schools 01:31:18.620 --> 01:31:21.510 will be hit with even higher costs than before. 01:31:21.510 --> 01:31:25.199 If this is the bank rates and terms(alarm ringing) 01:31:25.199 --> 01:31:28.337 (indistinct) mortgage changing every bank owner-- 01:31:31.330 --> 01:31:32.913 Operator, next caller please. 01:31:34.120 --> 01:31:36.530 Our next caller is Lionel Rodriguez. 01:31:36.530 --> 01:31:37.370 You may go ahead 01:31:49.580 --> 01:31:50.970 Again, Lionel Rodriguez. 01:31:50.970 --> 01:31:51.870 Your line is open. 01:31:51.870 --> 01:31:53.370 Please check your mute button. 01:32:10.310 --> 01:32:11.143 Operator. 01:32:11.143 --> 01:32:12.340 Let's move to the next caller. 01:32:12.340 --> 01:32:13.173 Thank you. 01:32:21.380 --> 01:32:23.620 Our next caller is GN. Caroline Park. 01:32:23.620 --> 01:32:24.470 You may go ahead. 01:32:27.502 --> 01:32:28.335 [GN. Caroline Park] Hello. 01:32:29.790 --> 01:32:34.790 My name is GN. Caroline Park from Tom land Los Angeles. 01:32:35.180 --> 01:32:37.300 I'm an executive board member in the California 01:32:37.300 --> 01:32:41.030 democratic party for identification purposes only. 01:32:41.030 --> 01:32:43.200 I strongly urge the Commission to reject 01:32:43.200 --> 01:32:47.090 the proposed decision and make solar more affordable, 01:32:47.090 --> 01:32:49.960 not less affordable for renters like myself. 01:32:49.960 --> 01:32:52.630 So we too can contribute to a clean 01:32:52.630 --> 01:32:54.660 and sustainable energy grid. 01:32:54.660 --> 01:32:57.810 This move is the opposite of climate action. 01:32:57.810 --> 01:33:01.730 It would pull the rug out from under clean businesses 01:33:01.730 --> 01:33:05.030 and existing solar infrastructure 01:33:05.030 --> 01:33:09.463 and cause us to rely on finite energy sources. 01:33:10.920 --> 01:33:14.800 This move would be the opposite of a just transition 01:33:14.800 --> 01:33:18.400 and you would be signing off on assured climate disaster. 01:33:18.400 --> 01:33:21.450 Please do the right thing and give Californian 01:33:21.450 --> 01:33:24.093 a sustainable future instead. 01:33:26.440 --> 01:33:27.390 Thank you. 01:33:27.390 --> 01:33:29.063 Operator next caller, please. 01:33:32.930 --> 01:33:34.850 Our next caller, is Thereser Chestmore. 01:33:34.850 --> 01:33:35.770 You may go ahead 01:33:43.470 --> 01:33:44.520 Again. Thereser Chestmore. 01:33:44.520 --> 01:33:45.410 Your line is open. 01:33:45.410 --> 01:33:46.910 Please check your mute button. 01:33:57.530 --> 01:33:59.510 And shall we go to the next caller? 01:33:59.510 --> 01:34:00.343 Yes, please. 01:34:00.343 --> 01:34:01.253 Thank you operator. 01:34:02.246 --> 01:34:03.978 Our next caller is Ryan Christensen. 01:34:03.978 --> 01:34:05.705 You may go ahead. 01:34:05.705 --> 01:34:07.050 [Ryan Christensen] Hi, my name's Ryan Christensen 01:34:07.050 --> 01:34:10.370 I'm marketing director at Renew Solar in Hanford. 01:34:10.370 --> 01:34:13.610 We serve a four county footprint and the NEM three proposal. 01:34:13.610 --> 01:34:15.453 Would've a terrible impact on our company 01:34:15.453 --> 01:34:17.680 and the communities that we serve. 01:34:17.680 --> 01:34:19.790 Over the last 15 years, renewable solar 01:34:19.790 --> 01:34:22.370 has returned hundreds of thousands of dollars 01:34:22.370 --> 01:34:23.770 to our communities. 01:34:23.770 --> 01:34:26.570 If this passes we won't be able to continue that support 01:34:26.570 --> 01:34:29.030 we give to at risk youth and recovery programs, 01:34:29.030 --> 01:34:31.170 law enforcement, local schools, 01:34:31.170 --> 01:34:32.780 and community centers, student health, 01:34:32.780 --> 01:34:37.200 and or student leadership programs and health organizations. 01:34:37.200 --> 01:34:39.640 We employ recovery addicts and former inmates 01:34:39.640 --> 01:34:42.240 who need a second chance and they might 01:34:42.240 --> 01:34:44.090 not otherwise get those. 01:34:44.090 --> 01:34:47.311 This proposal will reduce us opportunities for these folks 01:34:47.311 --> 01:34:50.810 to reenter our communities and become productive members. 01:34:50.810 --> 01:34:53.100 We counted a privilege and responsibility 01:34:53.100 --> 01:34:54.850 to support our communities. 01:34:54.850 --> 01:34:57.610 This proposal won't just harm our business. 01:34:57.610 --> 01:34:59.200 It'll harm our communities. 01:34:59.200 --> 01:35:02.130 We encourage you to reject this version and write a proposal 01:35:02.130 --> 01:35:05.300 that benefits all California constituents, 01:35:05.300 --> 01:35:06.760 not just the utilities. 01:35:06.760 --> 01:35:07.693 Thanks much. 01:35:08.820 --> 01:35:09.990 Thank you. 01:35:09.990 --> 01:35:11.600 And I would like to let everyone know 01:35:11.600 --> 01:35:15.640 that we will be taking a 15 minute break at 4:00 PM. 01:35:15.640 --> 01:35:17.920 We'll take a few more callers, before four, 01:35:17.920 --> 01:35:20.530 and then start a 15 minute break. 01:35:20.530 --> 01:35:22.440 Operator, please call the next... 01:35:22.440 --> 01:35:24.333 Please announce the next caller. 01:35:25.800 --> 01:35:28.670 Our next caller is Caroline leaving. 01:35:28.670 --> 01:35:29.520 You may go ahead. 01:35:32.870 --> 01:35:34.630 Hi, my name is Caroline leaving 01:35:34.630 --> 01:35:36.940 and I'm in Santa Cruz, California. 01:35:36.940 --> 01:35:39.730 Eight years ago, we invested in the solar system, 01:35:39.730 --> 01:35:41.890 installed on the roof of our home. 01:35:41.890 --> 01:35:45.840 We feel good helping out by reducing our dependency 01:35:45.840 --> 01:35:48.880 on fossil fuels and helping the environment 01:35:48.880 --> 01:35:50.330 at the same time, 01:35:50.330 --> 01:35:53.740 we also feel good helping to produce good clean, 01:35:53.740 --> 01:35:56.970 renewable energy that can be shared with our neighbors. 01:35:56.970 --> 01:36:00.130 Now PG&E wants to penalizes for are doing this 01:36:02.125 --> 01:36:04.240 by charging us a huge tax each month 01:36:04.240 --> 01:36:06.710 for producing free electricity for everybody 01:36:06.710 --> 01:36:08.560 to use through the grid. 01:36:08.560 --> 01:36:12.400 I can't believe that Governor Newsome would support 01:36:12.400 --> 01:36:14.900 such an outrageous assault on homeowners 01:36:16.170 --> 01:36:19.410 that are using our rooftops to create clean, renewable, 01:36:19.410 --> 01:36:23.670 energy for everyone to use instead of encouraging PG&E 01:36:23.670 --> 01:36:26.270 to start investing and supporting others 01:36:26.270 --> 01:36:28.220 to do the same thing. 01:36:28.220 --> 01:36:29.363 Thank you very much. 01:36:30.470 --> 01:36:31.720 Thank you, operator. 01:36:31.720 --> 01:36:32.743 Next caller, please. 01:36:34.600 --> 01:36:36.660 Our next caller is Nicholas SandMom. 01:36:36.660 --> 01:36:37.510 You may go ahead. 01:36:43.168 --> 01:36:45.483 [Nicholas SandMom] Hi, thank you for hearing me 01:36:45.483 --> 01:36:49.020 I'm president's Reynolds and Commission. 01:36:49.020 --> 01:36:52.170 I work in San Francisco for an independent 01:36:52.170 --> 01:36:53.800 solar company called Luminol. 01:36:53.800 --> 01:36:58.610 We're about 45 people and I got into solar to do my part 01:36:58.610 --> 01:37:00.793 to combat climate change. 01:37:01.920 --> 01:37:06.220 This proposed decision is strongly in opposition 01:37:06.220 --> 01:37:08.627 of what our company's designs do. 01:37:08.627 --> 01:37:12.190 And I strongly oppose the decision as written. 01:37:12.190 --> 01:37:14.300 I take care of my father financially, 01:37:14.300 --> 01:37:16.300 I have a good paying solar job. 01:37:16.300 --> 01:37:19.410 And this job will likely not be in existence 01:37:19.410 --> 01:37:21.540 if the proposed decision goes forward. 01:37:21.540 --> 01:37:24.990 As stated, the bullet points in the proposed decision. 01:37:24.990 --> 01:37:27.740 Number one states that any changes to net metering 01:37:27.740 --> 01:37:29.920 must be done to allow for the sustainable growth 01:37:29.920 --> 01:37:33.020 of solar in the California market. 01:37:33.020 --> 01:37:35.060 From a practical example over the last year, 01:37:35.060 --> 01:37:38.520 I'm on the sales team and I've seen leads and sold systems 01:37:38.520 --> 01:37:40.260 drop precipitously. 01:37:40.260 --> 01:37:43.150 And since the proposed decision was released early January, 01:37:43.150 --> 01:37:44.880 we've sold practically no system. 01:37:44.880 --> 01:37:48.660 So, it is clearly not going to work for Californians. 01:37:48.660 --> 01:37:51.550 Despite what the bogus reports from the utilities say, 01:37:51.550 --> 01:37:53.950 thank you so much (alarm ringing) for your consideration. 01:37:53.950 --> 01:37:55.546 Please reject this decision. 01:37:55.546 --> 01:37:56.427 Thank you. 01:37:56.427 --> 01:37:58.420 Thank you, operator. 01:37:58.420 --> 01:37:59.423 Next caller, please. 01:38:00.900 --> 01:38:02.940 Our next caller is Jill Easterday. 01:38:02.940 --> 01:38:03.793 You may go ahead. 01:38:05.620 --> 01:38:07.270 Hello everyone. 01:38:07.270 --> 01:38:10.640 My name is Jill Easterday and my grandma Dolores Davis, 01:38:10.640 --> 01:38:13.880 who's 89 years old, wanted to talk but then she got tired. 01:38:13.880 --> 01:38:16.060 So she needs to go take a nap. 01:38:16.060 --> 01:38:19.490 We ask that solars stay affordable for everyone 01:38:19.490 --> 01:38:21.420 like the speakers before us have stated 01:38:21.420 --> 01:38:23.660 solar power is good California residents, 01:38:23.660 --> 01:38:26.700 including my boyfriend's parents so have rooftop solar. 01:38:26.700 --> 01:38:28.760 It will benefit California's businesses 01:38:28.760 --> 01:38:30.860 like Tiger where my brother works 01:38:30.860 --> 01:38:32.870 and it will benefit the planet on which we live 01:38:32.870 --> 01:38:35.450 and which the next generations will inherit from us, 01:38:35.450 --> 01:38:38.540 which include my five nephews and one niece. 01:38:38.540 --> 01:38:41.680 We ask that the proposed net metering change be rejected. 01:38:41.680 --> 01:38:42.513 Thank you. 01:38:43.730 --> 01:38:44.820 Thank you, operator. 01:38:44.820 --> 01:38:45.973 Next caller, please. 01:38:48.160 --> 01:38:49.910 Our next caller is Scott WeCh. 01:38:49.910 --> 01:38:50.763 You may go ahead. 01:38:53.870 --> 01:38:55.310 Good afternoon, president Reynolds 01:38:55.310 --> 01:38:57.423 and Commissioners, one moment, please. 01:39:03.740 --> 01:39:05.770 This is actually Kyle Joaquin speaking 01:39:05.770 --> 01:39:08.280 on behalf of Scott WeCh representing a 100,000 01:39:08.280 --> 01:39:11.070 members of the state association of electrical workers. 01:39:11.070 --> 01:39:13.990 Additionally, the 55,000 members comprising 01:39:13.990 --> 01:39:16.800 the coalition of California utility employees. 01:39:16.800 --> 01:39:18.220 We would like to first and foremost 01:39:18.220 --> 01:39:20.830 acknowledge the Commission for their time and effort 01:39:20.830 --> 01:39:22.670 regarding the proposed decision. 01:39:22.670 --> 01:39:25.570 Originally we had scheduled hundreds of callers for today, 01:39:25.570 --> 01:39:26.890 but when the agenda changed, 01:39:26.890 --> 01:39:29.480 we canceled in deference to the Commission's time 01:39:29.480 --> 01:39:31.340 and their very demanding schedule. 01:39:31.340 --> 01:39:33.950 With that mentioned, I have two brief comments. 01:39:33.950 --> 01:39:38.950 First, the NEM cost shift will approach $8 billion by 2030, 01:39:39.110 --> 01:39:41.280 which is simply unsustainable. 01:39:41.280 --> 01:39:43.500 And that reality cannot be omitted. 01:39:43.500 --> 01:39:46.740 The state cannot continue to pay billions of dollars 01:39:46.740 --> 01:39:49.420 annually for diminishing resource. 01:39:49.420 --> 01:39:52.910 Those monies could be better directed to expand the state's 01:39:52.910 --> 01:39:56.602 energy portfolio while providing green job opportunities 01:39:56.602 --> 01:40:00.600 and access to renewable energy resources. 01:40:00.600 --> 01:40:03.672 Secondly, the opposition is fond on sighting, 01:40:03.672 --> 01:40:06.880 (alarm ringing) Arizona, Nevada, and Utah as models. 01:40:06.880 --> 01:40:09.292 Those current proposed decisions exceeds 01:40:09.292 --> 01:40:11.210 in the Aion states-- 01:40:11.210 --> 01:40:12.572 Thank you. 01:40:12.572 --> 01:40:13.405 Thank you. 01:40:13.405 --> 01:40:14.600 Thank you, thank you very much. 01:40:14.600 --> 01:40:16.403 Operator, next caller please. 01:40:18.070 --> 01:40:19.850 Our next caller is Jim bunch. 01:40:19.850 --> 01:40:20.763 You may go ahead. 01:40:22.300 --> 01:40:23.133 Thank you. 01:40:23.133 --> 01:40:25.763 Hi, this is Jim bunch, San Diego of California, 01:40:25.763 --> 01:40:27.710 I am husband of 20 years of proud 01:40:27.710 --> 01:40:29.370 dad of a high school student is right now 01:40:29.370 --> 01:40:31.690 learning about climate change in the deadly future 01:40:31.690 --> 01:40:33.170 that they're about to inherit. 01:40:33.170 --> 01:40:35.590 And I'm asking you to reject this proposal. 01:40:35.590 --> 01:40:37.960 I'm also chairman of the US Green Chamber of commerce, 01:40:37.960 --> 01:40:40.210 and I'm here representing my company that I co-founded 01:40:40.210 --> 01:40:41.520 eight years ago named Power, 01:40:41.520 --> 01:40:44.220 which is a public benefit coroperate of solar company. 01:40:44.220 --> 01:40:47.750 We have over 5,000 passionate sales reps in solar 01:40:47.750 --> 01:40:50.900 with 187 employees, 200 installation partners 01:40:50.900 --> 01:40:54.850 in 20 states and an army of tax paying homeowners 01:40:54.850 --> 01:40:56.870 who are saving thousands of dollars every year. 01:40:56.870 --> 01:40:59.500 But they're tired of being stuck with these never ending 01:40:59.500 --> 01:41:02.720 escalating costs of the utilities, just 48 hours ago 01:41:02.720 --> 01:41:04.280 was on the phone with SDG&E. 01:41:04.280 --> 01:41:06.380 They have another rate height coming into effect 01:41:06.380 --> 01:41:09.290 from 34 cents to 54 cents in the next few months. 01:41:09.290 --> 01:41:11.740 So let's work together, focus on three things 01:41:11.740 --> 01:41:14.460 number one more renewable and affordable energy 01:41:14.460 --> 01:41:15.770 for all households. 01:41:15.770 --> 01:41:18.770 Number two more jobs, at least no job destruction 01:41:18.770 --> 01:41:20.890 and number three decarbonization 01:41:20.890 --> 01:41:22.760 for all of humanity sakes. 01:41:22.760 --> 01:41:23.593 Thank you. 01:41:25.680 --> 01:41:27.993 Thank you, operator next caller please. 01:41:29.470 --> 01:41:31.510 Our next caller is Dennis Defas. 01:41:31.510 --> 01:41:32.360 You may go ahead. 01:41:34.600 --> 01:41:37.133 Hello, my name's Dennis Defas 01:41:37.133 --> 01:41:39.720 and I'm a homeowner in Cypress California. 01:41:39.720 --> 01:41:44.320 I retired in July, 2020 now living off of a fixed income. 01:41:44.320 --> 01:41:48.230 I convinced myself and my wife that if we purchased 01:41:48.230 --> 01:41:52.430 a solar and energy storage system from our savings, 01:41:52.430 --> 01:41:55.500 it would help us by first lowering our monthly 01:41:55.500 --> 01:41:57.390 expenses for the next 20 year. 01:41:57.390 --> 01:42:01.180 Second, keep us safe and from unplanned power outages 01:42:01.180 --> 01:42:03.970 and third help California be green. 01:42:03.970 --> 01:42:06.900 I received permission to operate my system 01:42:06.900 --> 01:42:09.000 in September, 2021. 01:42:09.000 --> 01:42:12.960 My carbon offset is 3.04 tons so far. 01:42:12.960 --> 01:42:17.740 Now I am forced to fight against any changes or any tax 01:42:17.740 --> 01:42:21.000 increases to my NEM 2.0 sold agreement 01:42:21.000 --> 01:42:23.030 because a deal is a deal. 01:42:23.030 --> 01:42:25.890 As California sold system owners, 01:42:25.890 --> 01:42:29.480 we cannot afford changes to our existing NEM agreements. 01:42:29.480 --> 01:42:33.490 We cannot afford to be charged new taxes of any kind, 01:42:33.490 --> 01:42:37.430 and we do not deserve to have our NEM's deals broken. 01:42:37.430 --> 01:42:39.410 So, please do the right thing. 01:42:39.410 --> 01:42:42.360 Stop hurting Californians like me and my family. 01:42:42.360 --> 01:42:43.193 (alarm ringing) 01:42:43.193 --> 01:42:47.300 Please, please totally reject the current NEM 3.0 proposal. 01:42:47.300 --> 01:42:48.909 Thank you. 01:42:48.909 --> 01:42:50.100 Thank you. 01:42:50.100 --> 01:42:52.730 We are now gonna be taking a 15 minute break 01:42:52.730 --> 01:42:53.580 before we break. 01:42:53.580 --> 01:42:55.890 I would like to remind all of our callers 01:42:55.890 --> 01:42:58.310 of the email address. 01:42:58.310 --> 01:43:00.180 If you are unable to stay on the line, 01:43:00.180 --> 01:43:03.280 you can send your comment by email. 01:43:03.280 --> 01:43:07.081 The email address is public dot advisor, 01:43:07.081 --> 01:43:12.081 ADVISOR@CPUC.ca.gov. 01:43:15.200 --> 01:43:16.033 Thank you. 01:43:16.033 --> 01:43:18.963 We will be breaking on a break until 4:15. 01:43:20.160 --> 01:43:20.993 Thank you all for standing 01:43:20.993 --> 01:43:22.733 by to these conferences resumed. 01:43:24.990 --> 01:43:27.370 President Reynolds you may proceed. 01:43:27.370 --> 01:43:28.260 Thank you. 01:43:28.260 --> 01:43:31.920 First, we need to establish a quorum with the clerk. 01:43:31.920 --> 01:43:33.093 Please call the role. 01:43:33.950 --> 01:43:35.000 Commissioner Houck? 01:43:36.469 --> 01:43:37.381 [Commissioner Houck] Here. 01:43:37.381 --> 01:43:39.355 Commissioner Shiroma? 01:43:39.355 --> 01:43:41.090 [Commissioner Shiroma] Present. 01:43:41.090 --> 01:43:42.524 Commissioner Rechtschaffen? 01:43:42.524 --> 01:43:44.163 [Commissioner Rechtschaffen] I'm here. 01:43:44.163 --> 01:43:45.913 President Reynolds. 01:43:47.369 --> 01:43:48.760 [President Reynolds] Here. 01:43:48.760 --> 01:43:50.570 We have a quorum. 01:43:50.570 --> 01:43:53.740 We're now to resume the public comment portion 01:43:53.740 --> 01:43:55.130 of our meeting. 01:43:55.130 --> 01:43:58.173 Operator, Would you please call the next caller? 01:44:01.820 --> 01:44:03.750 Our next caller is Ruben Lee. 01:44:03.750 --> 01:44:04.600 You may go ahead. 01:44:06.510 --> 01:44:08.570 Hello, president Reynolds and Commissioners. 01:44:08.570 --> 01:44:11.840 So you're all super smart and you've heard all the facts, 01:44:11.840 --> 01:44:15.640 but I haven't heard much today about the impact on renters. 01:44:15.640 --> 01:44:17.430 I'm a solar employee. 01:44:17.430 --> 01:44:19.830 My mom still lives in the rent control apartment 01:44:19.830 --> 01:44:21.760 in San Francisco that I grew up in. 01:44:21.760 --> 01:44:24.820 And here's the way she sees this issue. 01:44:24.820 --> 01:44:28.084 Power companies are trying to charge people 60 bucks a month 01:44:28.084 --> 01:44:32.100 to put solar panels on their roof, plain and simple. 01:44:32.100 --> 01:44:34.480 That's like a gas charging you because 01:44:34.480 --> 01:44:37.663 you got an electric car and you don't buy their gas anymore. 01:44:38.720 --> 01:44:43.100 Only 6% of the state currently has solar on their roof. 01:44:43.100 --> 01:44:45.290 Most of those people are homeowners. 01:44:45.290 --> 01:44:47.490 So the power companies think aha! 01:44:47.490 --> 01:44:50.420 Now is the time to divide and conquer the voters. 01:44:50.420 --> 01:44:52.290 But with better public policy, 01:44:52.290 --> 01:44:54.910 renters could have solar right now. 01:44:54.910 --> 01:44:57.340 Virtual net metering is here. 01:44:57.340 --> 01:45:02.000 The only barrier is policy, economists Amod Faruki 01:45:02.000 --> 01:45:04.200 and others have clearly shown rooftop solar 01:45:04.200 --> 01:45:07.593 is actually cheaper for ratepayers, including my mom. 01:45:08.800 --> 01:45:10.840 So do the right thing please, 01:45:10.840 --> 01:45:14.230 and focus your efforts on expanding solar, 01:45:14.230 --> 01:45:16.840 low income people and renters. 01:45:16.840 --> 01:45:19.013 Thank you and sorry for being out of breath. 01:45:20.400 --> 01:45:21.500 Thank you. 01:45:21.500 --> 01:45:23.163 Operator, next caller please. 01:45:24.850 --> 01:45:27.210 Our next caller is Jerry WaTech. 01:45:27.210 --> 01:45:28.763 You may go ahead. 01:45:31.190 --> 01:45:32.300 Good afternoon Commissioners. 01:45:32.300 --> 01:45:33.521 My name's Jerry WaTech 01:45:33.521 --> 01:45:35.820 and I'm with the Public Power San Diego. 01:45:35.820 --> 01:45:38.800 A crew NEM three proposal before you places the burden 01:45:38.800 --> 01:45:41.420 of maintaining California's electrical grid on the backs 01:45:41.420 --> 01:45:43.130 of low and middle income people, 01:45:43.130 --> 01:45:46.240 homeowners and businesses who have already spent 01:45:46.240 --> 01:45:48.790 tens of thousands of dollars installing rooftop solar 01:45:48.790 --> 01:45:50.410 on their homes and buildings, 01:45:50.410 --> 01:45:53.000 but the goal of reducing their dependence on fossil fuel 01:45:53.000 --> 01:45:55.580 and helping to combat the present climate emergency 01:45:56.470 --> 01:45:58.800 in instead consider reducing the guaranteed 01:45:58.800 --> 01:46:02.640 10% profit margin of the IOU monopolies. 01:46:02.640 --> 01:46:04.810 IOU customers in California pay the highest 01:46:04.810 --> 01:46:07.150 utility rates in the continental US 01:46:07.150 --> 01:46:09.390 while the utilities profit... 01:46:09.390 --> 01:46:13.630 While the utilities profits increase eight percent annually. 01:46:13.630 --> 01:46:16.830 In San Diego, where I live SUGE makes million dollars 01:46:16.830 --> 01:46:18.400 a day in net profits. 01:46:18.400 --> 01:46:20.570 While the rate payers here are charged the highest rates 01:46:20.570 --> 01:46:23.550 in the state, please eliminate the regressive 01:46:23.550 --> 01:46:26.180 grid access tax on solar, rooftop solar 01:46:26.180 --> 01:46:28.800 in the current NEM proposal and side with the people 01:46:28.800 --> 01:46:30.770 of California and our planet. 01:46:30.770 --> 01:46:31.603 Thanks so much. 01:46:33.090 --> 01:46:34.330 Thank you, operator. 01:46:34.330 --> 01:46:35.453 Next caller, please. 01:46:39.250 --> 01:46:43.003 Our next is Alan Truex, you may go ahead. 01:46:48.710 --> 01:46:49.543 Yep. 01:46:49.543 --> 01:46:50.376 Hey, thank you very much. 01:46:50.376 --> 01:46:51.870 This is the first time I haven't had to compete 01:46:51.870 --> 01:46:53.034 with solar companies as we all await to speak 01:46:53.034 --> 01:46:57.520 on the same topic that we all agree on. 01:46:57.520 --> 01:46:59.219 Commissioners my name's Alan Truex the Sales Director 01:46:59.219 --> 01:47:01.930 of Vibe Solar at a Lancaster, California. 01:47:01.930 --> 01:47:04.730 We've been in business for 20 years and our veteran owned 01:47:04.730 --> 01:47:06.930 we've even created in a nonprofit organization 01:47:06.930 --> 01:47:09.840 called buy before to aim, to assist our community. 01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:13.210 It was to my understanding years ago that the solar industry 01:47:13.210 --> 01:47:16.060 would be sustainable due to the efforts of California 01:47:16.060 --> 01:47:18.780 to thrive in renewable energy. 01:47:18.780 --> 01:47:21.760 NEM 3.0 will affect my family, my children, 01:47:21.760 --> 01:47:23.760 and the family of my employees. 01:47:23.760 --> 01:47:26.080 NEM 3.0 will burden the environmental future 01:47:26.080 --> 01:47:28.890 we have pushed for for years will not be a clean energy 01:47:28.890 --> 01:47:32.260 state by 2050 if this program continues in place, 01:47:32.260 --> 01:47:34.740 our company will lose thousands or hundreds of thousands 01:47:34.740 --> 01:47:36.840 of dollars for this proposal and effect. 01:47:36.840 --> 01:47:39.220 Solar will no longer be a benefit to homeowners. 01:47:39.220 --> 01:47:41.040 We will have to consider moving our business to a different 01:47:41.040 --> 01:47:43.070 state than welcome solar with open arms, 01:47:43.070 --> 01:47:44.490 please reject this proposal to keep 01:47:44.490 --> 01:47:46.110 solar companies in business. 01:47:46.110 --> 01:47:48.770 California's one of the best states in the United States. 01:47:48.770 --> 01:47:51.000 Let's not impact our reputation. 01:47:51.000 --> 01:47:53.673 Thank you for your patience as we express our concerns. 01:47:54.920 --> 01:47:55.837 Thank you, operator. 01:47:55.837 --> 01:47:57.383 Next caller, please. 01:48:00.510 --> 01:48:02.890 Our next caller is Katherine Boberg. 01:48:02.890 --> 01:48:03.740 You may go ahead. 01:48:10.397 --> 01:48:11.440 [Katherine Boberg] Katherine Boberg 01:48:11.440 --> 01:48:14.250 CEO, of Center-fied Power California manufacturers, 01:48:14.250 --> 01:48:18.560 state safe energy storage systems for 11 years in 2020, 01:48:18.560 --> 01:48:20.860 California had approximately 9,800 fires 01:48:20.860 --> 01:48:22.830 with devastating losses. 01:48:22.830 --> 01:48:24.020 Some of the worst fires have been 01:48:24.020 --> 01:48:26.220 caused by utility infrastructure. 01:48:26.220 --> 01:48:30.040 Over 80 years old, the result of years of utility negligence 01:48:30.040 --> 01:48:32.000 to invest in their own infrastructure 01:48:32.000 --> 01:48:35.610 and meet their mandates, deliver safe, reliable power, 01:48:35.610 --> 01:48:37.350 Residents are paying for installing 01:48:37.350 --> 01:48:39.960 distributed clean generation infrastructure 01:48:39.960 --> 01:48:43.230 because the utilities are not, do not penalize citizens 01:48:43.230 --> 01:48:46.960 that are solving the environmental and economic disaster 01:48:46.960 --> 01:48:50.200 that you have created through decades of negligence. 01:48:50.200 --> 01:48:53.350 California utilities, and the CPUC need to reduce 01:48:53.350 --> 01:48:56.210 the increasing CO2 and methane levels that are driving 01:48:56.210 --> 01:48:59.680 climate change, drought, heat, wind, and fires. 01:48:59.680 --> 01:49:03.347 With rooftop solar generation achieves the utilities 01:49:03.347 --> 01:49:08.180 and CPUC need to incentivize not tax residents 01:49:08.180 --> 01:49:10.440 that are using their hard earned dollars 01:49:10.440 --> 01:49:13.060 to install distributed, clean solar generation 01:49:13.060 --> 01:49:14.840 and batteries in their homes, 01:49:14.840 --> 01:49:17.646 businesses and communities that create a resilient, 01:49:17.646 --> 01:49:19.860 (alarm ringing) safe, and prosperous economy. 01:49:19.860 --> 01:49:23.270 It is criminal to charge a solar tax or residents 01:49:23.270 --> 01:49:26.150 who are paying for the infrastructure and technology 01:49:26.150 --> 01:49:27.670 that solves for these issues-- 01:49:27.670 --> 01:49:28.710 Thank you-- 01:49:28.710 --> 01:49:29.543 [Katherine Boberg] Resilience, clean energy 01:49:29.543 --> 01:49:30.860 and CO2 reduction. 01:49:30.860 --> 01:49:31.693 Thank you. 01:49:31.693 --> 01:49:33.180 Thank you for your comments. 01:49:34.150 --> 01:49:35.753 Operator, next caller please. 01:49:36.800 --> 01:49:38.940 Our next call is Christopher Ward. 01:49:38.940 --> 01:49:39.773 May go ahead. 01:49:43.623 --> 01:49:44.810 [Christopher Ward] Under NEM three. 01:49:44.810 --> 01:49:48.337 My cost savings for solar would be reduced by 80%. 01:49:48.337 --> 01:49:50.930 The slow level of cost savings would end the financial 01:49:50.930 --> 01:49:54.180 benefit of future residential solar installations. 01:49:54.180 --> 01:49:57.610 The biggest cost impact is from instantaneous metering, 01:49:57.610 --> 01:50:01.230 which ignores the diversity benefits of 1.3 million 01:50:01.230 --> 01:50:03.830 California solar installations. 01:50:03.830 --> 01:50:07.380 If all solar residences were connected to a single meter, 01:50:07.380 --> 01:50:09.670 hourly metering data would substantially match 01:50:09.670 --> 01:50:11.740 instantaneous metering data. 01:50:11.740 --> 01:50:14.630 Consequently hourly metering for residential 01:50:14.630 --> 01:50:15.913 solar should continue. 01:50:16.760 --> 01:50:19.220 The fixed grid participation fee is substantial 01:50:19.220 --> 01:50:21.840 and no other residential electricity users 01:50:21.840 --> 01:50:25.060 are subject to such a fee in its present form. 01:50:25.060 --> 01:50:27.890 The grid participation fee should be rejected 01:50:27.890 --> 01:50:30.950 using electricity export rate that is less than 01:50:30.950 --> 01:50:33.640 the tariff generation rate is unfair and inconsistent 01:50:33.640 --> 01:50:36.500 with charging the full tariff rate for electricity use. 01:50:36.500 --> 01:50:39.563 It is unfair to impose additional cost risk 01:50:39.563 --> 01:50:42.470 on current solar customers by shortening 01:50:42.470 --> 01:50:44.930 the committed any end term to 15 years. 01:50:44.930 --> 01:50:45.763 Thank you. 01:50:47.170 --> 01:50:48.003 Thank you. 01:50:48.003 --> 01:50:50.178 Operate next caller, please. 01:50:50.178 --> 01:50:53.400 (audience laughing) 01:50:53.400 --> 01:50:56.000 Our next caller is Weston McGill. 01:50:56.000 --> 01:50:56.993 You may go ahead. 01:50:59.492 --> 01:51:01.426 That me that's me. 01:51:01.426 --> 01:51:03.850 Yes, we can hear you. 01:51:03.850 --> 01:51:05.530 Hello. 01:51:05.530 --> 01:51:06.670 Hi. 01:51:06.670 --> 01:51:08.540 Yeah, my name is Rustin McGill. 01:51:08.540 --> 01:51:10.133 It's my 12th year in energy. 01:51:11.040 --> 01:51:13.140 33 years old, California native installed 01:51:13.140 --> 01:51:15.090 my own solar system. 01:51:15.090 --> 01:51:17.350 I really just hope everybody actually reads 01:51:17.350 --> 01:51:20.290 the text and then applies it to how a system 01:51:20.290 --> 01:51:22.590 logically works and realize that it it's just 01:51:24.097 --> 01:51:25.200 gonna kill solar for everybody. 01:51:25.200 --> 01:51:27.403 We've been talking about 55,000 jobs. 01:51:28.300 --> 01:51:30.910 I think it's in the neighborhood of a hundred thousand jobs 01:51:30.910 --> 01:51:32.500 because I'm not talking about today's jobs. 01:51:32.500 --> 01:51:33.710 I'm talking about tomorrow's jobs, 01:51:33.710 --> 01:51:35.510 jobs that don't even exist yet. 01:51:35.510 --> 01:51:37.476 When I got into solar my job didn't even exist yet 01:51:37.476 --> 01:51:38.713 that exists today. 01:51:39.700 --> 01:51:41.170 So, I want you to think about that. 01:51:41.170 --> 01:51:43.240 I want you to think about what it means for the future, 01:51:43.240 --> 01:51:45.070 not for us today, as we make these decisions, 01:51:45.070 --> 01:51:47.030 but people 20 years from now, 01:51:47.030 --> 01:51:49.370 my children who will be adults and have financial 01:51:49.370 --> 01:51:53.920 and fiscal responsibility to be into NEM 15, 01:51:53.920 --> 01:51:57.440 where rates for an electric car now far exceed 01:51:57.440 --> 01:51:58.570 gas costs today. 01:51:58.570 --> 01:52:02.960 So, just think about more than what we're looking at today. 01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:04.680 The policy makes sense. 01:52:04.680 --> 01:52:08.820 It does need some changes, but it's really one sided. 01:52:08.820 --> 01:52:10.790 Thank you for your time. 01:52:10.790 --> 01:52:11.732 Thank you. 01:52:11.732 --> 01:52:13.182 Operator, next caller please. 01:52:16.338 --> 01:52:18.230 Our next caller is Lawrence Chapman. 01:52:18.230 --> 01:52:19.080 You may go ahead. 01:52:21.530 --> 01:52:24.350 [Lawrence Chapman] Yes, I'm a San Diego homeowner. 01:52:24.350 --> 01:52:28.570 I'm retired on a fixed pension and I installed solar 01:52:28.570 --> 01:52:32.410 12 years ago at a cost of $50,000. 01:52:32.410 --> 01:52:36.770 So I would not face increasing utility costs on retirement 01:52:36.770 --> 01:52:40.850 SDG&E has since then added a fixed monthly charge 01:52:40.850 --> 01:52:42.320 and moved the time window. 01:52:42.320 --> 01:52:45.100 So, I do not get full credit for my production 01:52:45.100 --> 01:52:46.780 during the day. 01:52:46.780 --> 01:52:50.440 I'm now seeing a bill of $2,000 a year. 01:52:50.440 --> 01:52:51.880 Whereas my previous bill, 01:52:51.880 --> 01:52:55.170 when I first installed the system was zero. 01:52:55.170 --> 01:52:58.530 If you approve 3.0, I will be completely removed 01:52:58.530 --> 01:53:01.170 from NEM in three more years. 01:53:01.170 --> 01:53:04.850 Instead of the full 20 years I was promised, 01:53:04.850 --> 01:53:08.730 allowing the utilities to renege on their promise to me 01:53:08.730 --> 01:53:11.600 is outrageous and un-American and I hope 01:53:11.600 --> 01:53:12.880 you will prevent it. 01:53:12.880 --> 01:53:13.713 Thank you. 01:53:14.560 --> 01:53:15.393 Thank you. 01:53:15.393 --> 01:53:16.813 Operator, next caller please. 01:53:18.300 --> 01:53:20.520 Our next caller is Courtney Corda. 01:53:20.520 --> 01:53:21.370 You may go ahead. 01:53:23.560 --> 01:53:24.660 Hi, good afternoon. 01:53:24.660 --> 01:53:27.920 I'm the co-owner of Corda solar in Danville. 01:53:27.920 --> 01:53:29.150 I'm just a little guy. 01:53:29.150 --> 01:53:31.940 I'm not a powerful union lobbyist and I don't have 01:53:31.940 --> 01:53:34.670 an assistant who could wait on hold on my behalf 01:53:34.670 --> 01:53:35.950 for nearly seven hours. 01:53:35.950 --> 01:53:37.550 I've done that all myself. 01:53:37.550 --> 01:53:38.760 Today's my birthday. 01:53:38.760 --> 01:53:41.180 So, while I have been on hold for seven hours 01:53:41.180 --> 01:53:44.630 for the chance to urge the CPUC to reject this horrible 01:53:44.630 --> 01:53:47.310 NEM three plan, I've missed birthday calls 01:53:47.310 --> 01:53:49.300 from my family and my friends. 01:53:49.300 --> 01:53:51.470 I can't speak for thousands of union members, 01:53:51.470 --> 01:53:53.690 but I can speak for my four installers 01:53:53.690 --> 01:53:56.970 who have helped hundreds of people in Contra Costa county 01:53:56.970 --> 01:54:01.310 go solar since 2007, please don't put us outta work. 01:54:01.310 --> 01:54:03.930 I'm not just worried about my company and my workers. 01:54:03.930 --> 01:54:06.680 I'm worried We've all lost sight of the big picture. 01:54:06.680 --> 01:54:09.870 Our state needs more solar, more storage 01:54:09.870 --> 01:54:12.630 and more innovation to reach our clean energy goals. 01:54:12.630 --> 01:54:17.630 We don't need more Cow toing to the utilities. 01:54:17.790 --> 01:54:20.140 Let's not make a dramatic and risky change 01:54:20.140 --> 01:54:21.830 to a working NEM policy. 01:54:21.830 --> 01:54:24.750 Please reject it, make it fairer and more gradual 01:54:24.750 --> 01:54:26.900 with no per kilowat solar tax. 01:54:26.900 --> 01:54:29.900 Please don't kill 60,000 solar jobs right now. 01:54:29.900 --> 01:54:32.777 Let ordinary Californians keep investing in solar. 01:54:32.777 --> 01:54:34.194 These four profits. (alarm ringing) 01:54:34.194 --> 01:54:36.330 Thank you. 01:54:36.330 --> 01:54:37.163 Thank you. 01:54:37.163 --> 01:54:38.510 Operator, next caller please. 01:54:41.290 --> 01:54:42.970 Our next caller is Robert Hunt. 01:54:42.970 --> 01:54:43.803 You may go ahead 01:54:53.420 --> 01:54:54.370 Again, Robert Hunt. 01:54:54.370 --> 01:54:55.270 Your line is open. 01:54:55.270 --> 01:54:56.770 Please check your mute button. 01:55:02.240 --> 01:55:03.693 Mr. Hunt, please go ahead. 01:55:07.910 --> 01:55:09.800 Operator, let's move to the next caller. 01:55:09.800 --> 01:55:10.633 Thank you. 01:55:12.360 --> 01:55:15.550 Our next caller is Milton Mogada. 01:55:15.550 --> 01:55:16.403 You may go ahead. 01:55:17.346 --> 01:55:19.670 Mogada, a good afternoon everybody 01:55:19.670 --> 01:55:22.447 with my two KW system, I'll end up paying PG&E 01:55:22.447 --> 01:55:27.410 you need to be connected feeding the grid for PG&E. 01:55:27.410 --> 01:55:28.950 My name is Milton Mogada and I worked 01:55:28.950 --> 01:55:31.260 for roof tech in Summerville. 01:55:31.260 --> 01:55:35.590 I'm in the solar field since 1997, being that the CEC, 01:55:35.590 --> 01:55:38.320 the California Energy Commission by down program 01:55:38.320 --> 01:55:41.750 to incentivize solar PV began in 1998. 01:55:41.750 --> 01:55:45.620 So, I've been mostly involved in training this workforce. 01:55:45.620 --> 01:55:48.380 So on behalf of myself and all the solar contractors 01:55:48.380 --> 01:55:50.220 and installers of California, 01:55:50.220 --> 01:55:53.050 you must reject the current NEM proposal. 01:55:53.050 --> 01:55:56.560 Search proposal will negatively affect them 01:55:56.560 --> 01:55:58.900 and their families livelihood. 01:55:58.900 --> 01:56:01.220 You also must reject the current NEM three proposal 01:56:01.220 --> 01:56:03.920 in order to protect our consumers 01:56:03.920 --> 01:56:07.310 and make a positive impact on climate change. 01:56:07.310 --> 01:56:08.960 Thank you for your consideration. 01:56:09.860 --> 01:56:10.813 Thank you, operator. 01:56:10.813 --> 01:56:12.363 Next caller, please. 01:56:14.300 --> 01:56:16.150 Our next caller is Michael Zimerman. 01:56:16.150 --> 01:56:17.073 You may go ahead. 01:56:21.041 --> 01:56:22.932 [Michael Zimerman] I too excited, 01:56:22.932 --> 01:56:27.932 While NEM two is not fair beyond that punitive 01:56:29.148 --> 01:56:31.710 in the industry and near term. 01:56:31.710 --> 01:56:34.277 Mr. Zimerman, we're having trouble hearing you. 01:56:40.842 --> 01:56:42.040 [Michael Zimerman] Can you hear. 01:56:42.040 --> 01:56:43.412 That's better. 01:56:43.412 --> 01:56:47.645 [Michael Zimerman] (indistinct) 01:56:47.645 --> 01:56:49.080 Acknowledging that we're on them too is not fair. 01:56:49.080 --> 01:56:50.810 The replacement is beyond unfair. 01:56:50.810 --> 01:56:54.040 It's punitive killing the industry in the near term, 01:56:54.040 --> 01:56:57.420 in the midterm, able to exacerbate shrinking rate bases 01:56:57.420 --> 01:56:59.820 as off grid for the determined going off grid 01:56:59.820 --> 01:57:02.920 is an option today while politics isn't the purview 01:57:02.920 --> 01:57:05.680 of this and the energy consumer has collected memory. 01:57:05.680 --> 01:57:07.400 And if past is written, I can assure you 01:57:07.400 --> 01:57:08.450 this won't be button. 01:57:10.106 --> 01:57:12.660 The idea that dually executed NEM one and two agreements 01:57:12.660 --> 01:57:15.740 will be put and retroactively changed to 15 years 01:57:15.740 --> 01:57:18.680 is simply the most ill-conceived policy I've encountered 01:57:18.680 --> 01:57:21.320 in over 12 years of talking that such nonsense 01:57:21.320 --> 01:57:24.810 made into this California needs to encourage 01:57:24.810 --> 01:57:26.480 investments and economic activity. 01:57:26.480 --> 01:57:28.690 But if regulators get in the habit of breaching 01:57:28.690 --> 01:57:30.600 the market principles,(alarm ringing) 01:57:30.600 --> 01:57:33.160 in my opinion, norms of the rule of law 01:57:33.160 --> 01:57:36.270 any chilling effects on inward investments or even-- 01:57:36.270 --> 01:57:37.103 Thank you. 01:57:38.133 --> 01:57:38.966 (indistinct) [Michael Zimerman] 01:57:38.966 --> 01:57:41.847 Flood cap, we completely--(indistinct) 01:57:43.246 --> 01:57:44.079 Thank you for your comment. 01:57:44.079 --> 01:57:44.912 [Michael Zimerman] Thank you. 01:57:44.912 --> 01:57:45.745 Thank you. 01:57:45.745 --> 01:57:46.578 We do need to move on. 01:57:46.578 --> 01:57:47.411 Thank you for your comments. 01:57:47.411 --> 01:57:48.583 Operator next caller, please. 01:57:50.180 --> 01:57:52.030 Our next caller is Karen Perkin. 01:57:52.030 --> 01:57:52.880 You may go ahead. 01:57:54.460 --> 01:57:55.300 Hi, (clearing throat) 01:57:55.300 --> 01:57:58.110 I'm a retired teacher on a fixed income. 01:57:58.110 --> 01:58:00.280 I'm not in the solar industry 01:58:00.280 --> 01:58:03.270 and I don't have solar panels on my house, 01:58:03.270 --> 01:58:05.920 but I would assume I'm speaking for millions 01:58:05.920 --> 01:58:07.960 and millions who can't take seven hours out 01:58:07.960 --> 01:58:11.730 on a Thursday to talk with you. 01:58:11.730 --> 01:58:16.730 And NEM three would make rooftop solar unaffordable for me, 01:58:16.760 --> 01:58:18.783 and I'm assuming millions of others, 01:58:20.470 --> 01:58:23.000 PG&E shouldn't even exist. 01:58:23.000 --> 01:58:24.660 It's a monopoly. 01:58:24.660 --> 01:58:26.570 It's for profit. 01:58:26.570 --> 01:58:30.290 And you know, energy is a life and death matter, 01:58:30.290 --> 01:58:33.080 just like fire are life and death matter. 01:58:33.080 --> 01:58:37.110 We don't have a for-profit fire department to go around, 01:58:37.110 --> 01:58:41.680 putting out certain people's fires and not others. 01:58:41.680 --> 01:58:44.410 We should be supplying energy to people 01:58:44.410 --> 01:58:46.170 at an affordable rate, 01:58:46.170 --> 01:58:49.540 and certainly should not be making solar less affordable 01:58:49.540 --> 01:58:54.270 because climate the climate crisis is an emergency. 01:58:54.270 --> 01:58:56.163 I'm a member of fossil fuels, 01:58:57.480 --> 01:59:00.870 Fossil Fuel Free California Members are teachers 01:59:00.870 --> 01:59:04.270 a group that's trying to get our pensions divested 01:59:04.270 --> 01:59:06.450 from fossil fuels. (alarm ringing) 01:59:06.450 --> 01:59:10.330 Also support many other environmental organizations 01:59:10.330 --> 01:59:11.823 that are not for this. 01:59:12.720 --> 01:59:16.000 And they want to see clean energy, 01:59:16.000 --> 01:59:17.670 not dirty energy. 01:59:17.670 --> 01:59:19.910 That's poisoning communities of color 01:59:19.910 --> 01:59:22.940 and poor neighborhood in our area. 01:59:22.940 --> 01:59:24.950 Thank you very much. 01:59:24.950 --> 01:59:25.990 Thank you, operator. 01:59:25.990 --> 01:59:27.103 Next caller, please. 01:59:28.640 --> 01:59:30.730 Our next caller is Andy McIlroy. 01:59:30.730 --> 01:59:31.580 You may go ahead. 01:59:34.120 --> 01:59:36.080 Hey, my name is Andy McIlroy. 01:59:36.080 --> 01:59:38.520 I work for sunlight financial. 01:59:38.520 --> 01:59:40.497 I've been in the solar industry for nine years 01:59:40.497 --> 01:59:42.440 and I live in Berkeley. 01:59:42.440 --> 01:59:44.790 I got on this call at nine o'clock 01:59:44.790 --> 01:59:47.210 thinking I would be slick and get in early in the queue, 01:59:47.210 --> 01:59:48.840 but I got kicked off a few times. 01:59:48.840 --> 01:59:51.210 And honestly, I couldn't be happier 01:59:51.210 --> 01:59:52.620 that it took this long to get on. 01:59:52.620 --> 01:59:56.100 'Cause there's so many awesome people making killer points 01:59:56.100 --> 02:00:00.470 and only like one or two people who are for the proposal 02:00:00.470 --> 02:00:02.600 and also happy birthday to the previous caller. 02:00:02.600 --> 02:00:05.833 So anyway, solar is much more than just a job for me. 02:00:05.833 --> 02:00:08.650 It's a career that I'm super proud of. 02:00:08.650 --> 02:00:09.483 It's green. 02:00:09.483 --> 02:00:10.316 It saves people money. 02:00:10.316 --> 02:00:12.937 It creates jobs, with this proposal 02:00:12.937 --> 02:00:14.770 it's like the utilities we found this clever, 02:00:14.770 --> 02:00:16.760 a totally dishonest way to pit ratepayers 02:00:16.760 --> 02:00:19.910 against each other while they benefit. 02:00:19.910 --> 02:00:23.140 It's gonna kill thousands of awesome solar jobs overnight, 02:00:23.140 --> 02:00:25.310 and homeowners will lose the valuable option 02:00:25.310 --> 02:00:26.960 of being able to go solar. 02:00:26.960 --> 02:00:28.270 And that just makes me really sad. 02:00:28.270 --> 02:00:30.360 So, rooftop solar is not the bad guy. 02:00:30.360 --> 02:00:32.410 Please reject the proposal entirely. 02:00:32.410 --> 02:00:35.460 Do not compromise on it, reject it entirely. 02:00:35.460 --> 02:00:36.293 Thank you. 02:00:37.933 --> 02:00:39.400 Thank you, operator. 02:00:39.400 --> 02:00:40.543 Next caller, please. 02:00:43.120 --> 02:00:45.010 Our next caller is Alex Feeder. 02:00:45.010 --> 02:00:45.860 You may go ahead. 02:00:47.320 --> 02:00:48.153 Good afternoon. 02:00:48.153 --> 02:00:49.510 My name is Alex Feeder. 02:00:49.510 --> 02:00:52.410 I've worked in the solar industry for 10 years. 02:00:52.410 --> 02:00:55.280 I work for sun green systems in Pasadena. 02:00:55.280 --> 02:00:58.370 We need more solar and storage to curb the impacts 02:00:58.370 --> 02:01:00.040 of our climate emergency. 02:01:00.040 --> 02:01:01.910 The NEM three proposal as it stands, 02:01:01.910 --> 02:01:04.070 would destroy the solar industry. 02:01:04.070 --> 02:01:06.960 Reducing the NEM terms from 20 to 15 years 02:01:06.960 --> 02:01:09.770 for existing solar customers ruins the trust 02:01:09.770 --> 02:01:13.300 we have in any future CPUC decisions If you can change 02:01:13.300 --> 02:01:14.650 your mind in the future. 02:01:14.650 --> 02:01:17.830 The fact that this and the monthly solar fees made it 02:01:17.830 --> 02:01:19.800 into the proposed decision is shameful 02:01:19.800 --> 02:01:22.510 and a profit grabbed by the utilities. 02:01:22.510 --> 02:01:24.030 You're supposed to regulate the monopolies, 02:01:24.030 --> 02:01:26.430 not help them profit off Californians. 02:01:26.430 --> 02:01:28.850 Personally, I rent an apartment in Southern in California 02:01:28.850 --> 02:01:33.660 and the way to help renters like me and 45% of Californians 02:01:33.660 --> 02:01:37.290 is to get solar is to empower the virtual net metering 02:01:37.290 --> 02:01:39.750 program and community solar program. 02:01:39.750 --> 02:01:42.690 Cal property owners justify the solar 02:01:42.690 --> 02:01:44.450 and benefit their tenants. 02:01:44.450 --> 02:01:48.740 The promo does nothing to help the 45% of Californians 02:01:48.740 --> 02:01:52.922 who are renters go solar by devaluing exported energy. 02:01:52.922 --> 02:01:53.755 (alarm ringing) 02:01:53.755 --> 02:01:55.810 Thank you all for taking the time. 02:01:55.810 --> 02:01:56.784 Thank you. 02:01:56.784 --> 02:01:58.880 Thank you. 02:01:58.880 --> 02:02:00.430 Operator, next caller please. 02:02:02.680 --> 02:02:04.840 Our next caller is PR. T Neil. 02:02:04.840 --> 02:02:05.833 You may go ahead. 02:02:12.750 --> 02:02:13.583 Yes. 02:02:13.583 --> 02:02:14.970 Can you hear me? 02:02:14.970 --> 02:02:16.440 Yes, we can please go ahead. 02:02:16.440 --> 02:02:17.770 Okay. 02:02:17.770 --> 02:02:19.310 I wanna thank you for that... 02:02:20.448 --> 02:02:21.950 First and foremost Commissioners. 02:02:21.950 --> 02:02:26.950 I know this is one heavy agenda and I appreciate 02:02:26.960 --> 02:02:28.210 the opportunity to speak today. 02:02:28.210 --> 02:02:32.730 On behalf of my nonprofit that I founded 19 years ago, 02:02:32.730 --> 02:02:35.330 embracing the community leadership alliances. 02:02:35.330 --> 02:02:38.307 And if I'm winded it, 'cause I ran to the phone right now. 02:02:39.330 --> 02:02:42.690 I've been on it all day, but I help. 02:02:42.690 --> 02:02:46.840 What I wanna say is that the nonprofit addresses 02:02:46.840 --> 02:02:50.340 the greater Long Beach in Los Angeles areas 02:02:50.340 --> 02:02:53.960 and it focuses on underserved underprivileged communities, 02:02:53.960 --> 02:02:55.860 giving them resources in scaffolding 02:02:55.860 --> 02:02:58.600 they don't have in their daily lives. 02:02:58.600 --> 02:03:01.580 And it's all pursuing higher education 02:03:01.580 --> 02:03:04.060 and environmental stewardness. 02:03:04.060 --> 02:03:08.370 With that said, I would also like to expand 02:03:08.370 --> 02:03:12.899 my appreciation on what the Commission has proposed. 02:03:12.899 --> 02:03:17.899 The decision has began to address the net energy metering. 02:03:19.830 --> 02:03:23.169 However--(alarm ringing) 02:03:23.169 --> 02:03:24.394 Thank you. 02:03:24.394 --> 02:03:25.227 I'll read-- 02:03:25.227 --> 02:03:27.080 Thank you for your comment. 02:03:27.080 --> 02:03:27.913 Bye-- 02:03:27.913 --> 02:03:29.213 Operator, next Caller please. 02:03:31.830 --> 02:03:34.210 Our next comment is from Joanne Helvig. 02:03:34.210 --> 02:03:35.060 You may go ahead. 02:03:37.300 --> 02:03:38.180 Hi. 02:03:38.180 --> 02:03:40.360 Thank you so much Commissioners. 02:03:40.360 --> 02:03:44.380 My name is Joanne Helvig and I live in Oakland, California 02:03:44.380 --> 02:03:47.670 in a mostly low and working class neighborhood. 02:03:47.670 --> 02:03:51.700 I'm a single mother of two due to rising PG&E costs, 02:03:51.700 --> 02:03:54.820 I started looking into rooftop solar recently 02:03:54.820 --> 02:03:58.750 and I was very shocked to learn about that metering 3.0, 02:04:00.270 --> 02:04:03.010 I can tell you that my decision as the head of my household 02:04:03.010 --> 02:04:07.010 is a financial one and I would not be getting rooftop solar 02:04:07.010 --> 02:04:08.960 if I would have to fall under 3.0, 02:04:10.340 --> 02:04:14.120 which is a very difficult decision for me because 02:04:14.120 --> 02:04:17.450 I am an environmentally conscious person 02:04:17.450 --> 02:04:21.470 and I'm keenly aware of the state of our environment. 02:04:21.470 --> 02:04:24.490 What is happening in California, my family 02:04:24.490 --> 02:04:28.637 was only six miles away from the fires in near 02:04:30.080 --> 02:04:33.650 Plasterville California and they were evacuated. 02:04:33.650 --> 02:04:37.060 I like everyone else on this forum have seen 02:04:37.060 --> 02:04:41.660 sky turn to the color of blood in the late summer. 02:04:41.660 --> 02:04:45.790 We are alarmed at, I'm sure all of us are alarmed 02:04:45.790 --> 02:04:47.830 at the rising sea levels. 02:04:47.830 --> 02:04:50.830 And--(alarm ringing) 02:04:50.830 --> 02:04:51.663 Thank you. 02:04:51.663 --> 02:04:53.270 So I urge you to vote no 02:04:53.270 --> 02:04:54.610 on three point 'O'. 02:04:54.610 --> 02:04:55.500 Thank you. 02:04:55.500 --> 02:04:57.280 Thank you very much. 02:04:57.280 --> 02:04:58.863 Operator, next caller please. 02:05:00.310 --> 02:05:02.730 Our next caller is Seth Tilley. 02:05:02.730 --> 02:05:03.593 You may go ahead. 02:05:05.753 --> 02:05:06.586 Yeah. 02:05:06.586 --> 02:05:07.970 Hi, my name is Seth Tilley. 02:05:07.970 --> 02:05:11.470 I've been in solar since 2006 and I work 02:05:11.470 --> 02:05:15.053 for San Diego county solar live in San Diego, California. 02:05:16.640 --> 02:05:20.850 I not only feed my family with my career in solar. 02:05:20.850 --> 02:05:22.150 I'm also very proud to have a career 02:05:22.150 --> 02:05:24.150 that aligns with my values. 02:05:24.150 --> 02:05:26.240 And as my one year old grows older, 02:05:26.240 --> 02:05:27.730 I wanna be able to look in the eye 02:05:27.730 --> 02:05:29.940 and tell 'em that I did my part. 02:05:29.940 --> 02:05:32.680 So, I'm happy to be in this industry 02:05:34.020 --> 02:05:37.170 that meter NEM 3.0 as it was initially ruled 02:05:37.170 --> 02:05:39.340 would essentially kill the industry 02:05:39.340 --> 02:05:41.470 and make it impossible for California to achieve 02:05:41.470 --> 02:05:43.710 our zero carbon goal. 02:05:43.710 --> 02:05:47.010 So, I strongly urge the Commission to vote no 02:05:47.010 --> 02:05:48.850 on NEM metering 3.0 02:05:48.850 --> 02:05:51.047 and lastly I'll say that in the last years,` 02:05:51.047 --> 02:05:53.370 recent years solars become more achievable 02:05:53.370 --> 02:05:55.730 for middle and lower income people 02:05:55.730 --> 02:05:57.720 and NEM metering 3.0 would eliminate 02:05:57.720 --> 02:05:58.670 the opportunity. 02:05:58.670 --> 02:06:00.153 So, thank you very much. 02:06:01.440 --> 02:06:02.273 Thank you. 02:06:02.273 --> 02:06:03.763 Operator, next caller please. 02:06:05.990 --> 02:06:07.720 Our next caller is Jesse Elliot. 02:06:07.720 --> 02:06:08.570 You may go ahead. 02:06:14.390 --> 02:06:15.230 Hi. 02:06:15.230 --> 02:06:17.140 My name is Jesse Elliot. 02:06:17.140 --> 02:06:18.943 I live in Sanless Ville, California. 02:06:20.007 --> 02:06:21.300 I've been working in this industry, 02:06:21.300 --> 02:06:23.960 solar industry for the past 18 years. 02:06:23.960 --> 02:06:26.040 I currently own and JEBEL Engineering Construction 02:06:26.040 --> 02:06:28.110 and co-owner of solar motion. 02:06:28.110 --> 02:06:30.250 I helped grow one of the largest solar companies 02:06:30.250 --> 02:06:32.187 in the nation for 17 years. 02:06:32.187 --> 02:06:35.670 And let me tell you, no one is getting rich in our industry. 02:06:35.670 --> 02:06:37.640 We are all just making a living, 02:06:37.640 --> 02:06:40.063 providing jobs for Californians. 02:06:40.990 --> 02:06:44.670 And completely opposed to the current NEM three proposal. 02:06:44.670 --> 02:06:48.120 This is in asinine proposal and if you vote 02:06:48.120 --> 02:06:51.753 to move forward with it,(clearing throat) 02:06:53.030 --> 02:06:56.460 then you are admitting to all residents of California 02:06:56.460 --> 02:06:58.550 and many others that are actually watching this issue 02:06:58.550 --> 02:07:01.280 around the nation that you are incompetent 02:07:01.280 --> 02:07:03.690 and compromise corrupt. 02:07:03.690 --> 02:07:06.410 Do you really want that to be your legacy? 02:07:06.410 --> 02:07:09.920 It is simple, shred the current proposal 02:07:09.920 --> 02:07:13.130 resisting them one and two customers or to be left alone 02:07:13.130 --> 02:07:14.870 should be no new charges on customers 02:07:14.870 --> 02:07:16.570 for having producing solar energy. 02:07:18.260 --> 02:07:20.507 Thank you for your time. 02:07:20.507 --> 02:07:21.380 Thank you. 02:07:21.380 --> 02:07:22.923 Operator, next caller please. 02:07:25.600 --> 02:07:27.500 Our next caller is Michael Luber. 02:07:27.500 --> 02:07:28.453 You may go ahead. 02:07:32.540 --> 02:07:33.373 Yes. 02:07:33.373 --> 02:07:37.290 My name is Mike Luber and I'm a retired 02:07:37.290 --> 02:07:40.550 civil engineer living in Orange county. 02:07:40.550 --> 02:07:44.080 My wife and I are strong supporters of California's 02:07:44.080 --> 02:07:48.630 environmental goals to combat climate alteration 02:07:48.630 --> 02:07:51.940 and to safeguard California's species 02:07:51.940 --> 02:07:54.500 and undeveloped places. 02:07:54.500 --> 02:07:57.130 One of the best ways to meet these goals 02:07:57.130 --> 02:08:00.683 is to encourage rooftop solar systems. 02:08:01.660 --> 02:08:06.660 Consequently, I ask the CPUC to not impose new fees 02:08:07.290 --> 02:08:11.080 on rooftop, solar connections to the grid 02:08:11.080 --> 02:08:13.440 or reduction in net metering rates 02:08:14.560 --> 02:08:18.550 and certainly not reneging on existing compacts 02:08:18.550 --> 02:08:20.950 between existing rooftop, solar owners 02:08:20.950 --> 02:08:22.713 and the state of California. 02:08:24.100 --> 02:08:27.260 Rooftop solar is superior to large distance solar 02:08:27.260 --> 02:08:32.260 installations because excess energy goes into the local grid 02:08:32.660 --> 02:08:35.790 and it's consumed locally avoiding 02:08:35.790 --> 02:08:38.770 the need for long transmission lines. 02:08:38.770 --> 02:08:40.800 That ruin (alarm ringing) the electric grid. 02:08:40.800 --> 02:08:41.882 Thank you. 02:08:41.882 --> 02:08:43.530 Thank you. 02:08:43.530 --> 02:08:45.563 Next caller, please operator. 02:08:47.090 --> 02:08:49.540 Our next caller is Janice Barnett. 02:08:49.540 --> 02:08:50.390 You may go ahead. 02:08:51.690 --> 02:08:52.890 Hi. 02:08:52.890 --> 02:08:53.763 Can you hear me? 02:08:54.610 --> 02:08:56.170 Yes, we can go ahead. 02:08:56.170 --> 02:08:57.223 Oh great. 02:08:58.067 --> 02:09:01.190 Yes I think I've been on since 10 o'clock this morning. 02:09:01.190 --> 02:09:05.460 My name is Janice Barnett and in 2020, 02:09:05.460 --> 02:09:09.117 I bought a brand new home in Sacramento, California, 02:09:09.117 --> 02:09:10.940 and because it was a new build, 02:09:10.940 --> 02:09:15.940 it was mandated by the California law to have solar. 02:09:16.040 --> 02:09:20.270 There are many hundreds of home is currently being built 02:09:20.270 --> 02:09:22.570 right now in this area. 02:09:22.570 --> 02:09:26.410 And we're all forced to buy solar at our expense. 02:09:26.410 --> 02:09:30.380 Well, many of us are making house payments 02:09:30.380 --> 02:09:32.640 and still paying for our solars. 02:09:32.640 --> 02:09:37.640 And this proposal fee will be a very hardship on a lot of us 02:09:38.750 --> 02:09:41.340 that have to make ends meet in their... 02:09:42.360 --> 02:09:45.710 I don't believe that the state of California, 02:09:45.710 --> 02:09:49.890 could mandate the purchase of solar and turn around 02:09:49.890 --> 02:09:54.890 and penalize the homeowners for putting solar on their home. 02:09:55.330 --> 02:09:59.630 This bill will hurt future generations. 02:09:59.630 --> 02:10:00.463 We're happy. (alarm ringing) 02:10:00.463 --> 02:10:01.950 (indistinct) 02:10:01.950 --> 02:10:02.847 Thank you. 02:10:02.847 --> 02:10:03.680 Thank you. 02:10:03.680 --> 02:10:04.930 Thank you very much. 02:10:04.930 --> 02:10:06.643 Operator, next caller please. 02:10:08.950 --> 02:10:10.960 Our next caller is Melissa Cahoun. 02:10:10.960 --> 02:10:11.813 You may go ahead. 02:10:15.490 --> 02:10:16.323 Hi. 02:10:16.323 --> 02:10:17.880 My name is Melissa Cahoun and I'm the head 02:10:17.880 --> 02:10:21.060 of marketing for SolarEdge Technology in North America. 02:10:21.060 --> 02:10:24.020 SolarEdge started of in 2006 and is the largest solar 02:10:24.020 --> 02:10:26.580 convert manufacturer with our us headquarters 02:10:26.580 --> 02:10:30.110 located here in California in Silicon valley. 02:10:30.110 --> 02:10:32.650 And I'm calling on behalf of the hundreds 02:10:32.650 --> 02:10:35.020 of California SolarEdge employees, 02:10:35.020 --> 02:10:38.740 as well as the thousands of large to small family owned 02:10:38.740 --> 02:10:41.160 solar businesses and homeowners serve 02:10:41.160 --> 02:10:44.140 to implore you to reject this proposal. 02:10:44.140 --> 02:10:46.760 Not only will this be devastating for solar jobs, 02:10:46.760 --> 02:10:50.010 but it will destroy the rate of new solar adoption 02:10:50.010 --> 02:10:52.930 betray the almost one and a half million health tools 02:10:52.930 --> 02:10:56.020 that have already gone solar and take California 02:10:56.020 --> 02:10:59.140 a huge step backwards in the fight for climate change. 02:10:59.140 --> 02:11:01.900 So, please don't erase environmental progress. 02:11:01.900 --> 02:11:04.330 Do not jeopardize the livelihoods of so many 02:11:04.330 --> 02:11:07.440 and continue to let California be the progressive leader 02:11:07.440 --> 02:11:09.000 for renewable energy. 02:11:09.000 --> 02:11:10.900 We're counting on you to do the right thing. 02:11:10.900 --> 02:11:12.520 Thank you. 02:11:12.520 --> 02:11:13.780 Thank you, operator. 02:11:13.780 --> 02:11:15.150 Next caller, please. 02:11:16.790 --> 02:11:19.100 Our next caller is Mary Lynn Round. 02:11:19.100 --> 02:11:20.430 You may go ahead. 02:11:20.430 --> 02:11:21.263 Yes. 02:11:21.263 --> 02:11:22.430 This is Mary Lynn Round. 02:11:22.430 --> 02:11:26.580 I am calling because at PG&E's apparent request, 02:11:26.580 --> 02:11:31.040 you are considering implementing a utility profit grab 02:11:31.040 --> 02:11:33.860 at the expense of the majority of California 02:11:33.860 --> 02:11:38.090 citizens and a plan that is not in alignment 02:11:38.090 --> 02:11:41.510 with California's clean energy goals. 02:11:41.510 --> 02:11:45.360 How sad that California's who have in good conscious 02:11:45.360 --> 02:11:48.530 started what is right for the planet by installing 02:11:49.400 --> 02:11:52.530 solar panels are now going to be cheated out 02:11:52.530 --> 02:11:57.530 of their Goodwill investment because PG&E a company legally 02:11:58.120 --> 02:12:02.820 responsible for loss of life and billions of dollars 02:12:02.820 --> 02:12:07.820 of property is going to request it of you. 02:12:08.120 --> 02:12:12.270 And the loss was done because of their negligence. 02:12:12.270 --> 02:12:14.150 I live in Northern California, 02:12:14.150 --> 02:12:18.160 where we have for season I after season inhaled smoke 02:12:18.160 --> 02:12:20.090 that contributes to health issues 02:12:20.090 --> 02:12:22.580 and our climate crisis every summer, 02:12:22.580 --> 02:12:27.280 a major reason, PG&E a failed to bury transmission lines 02:12:27.280 --> 02:12:30.726 and instead left the bus poorly maintained 02:12:30.726 --> 02:12:31.820 (alarm ringing) transmission lines. 02:12:31.820 --> 02:12:32.876 Thank you. 02:12:32.876 --> 02:12:34.700 Thank you very much, operator. 02:12:34.700 --> 02:12:35.883 Next caller, please. 02:12:37.270 --> 02:12:39.410 Our next caller is Joshua Resnick. 02:12:39.410 --> 02:12:40.260 You may go ahead. 02:12:41.990 --> 02:12:42.823 Hello. 02:12:42.823 --> 02:12:44.106 Thank you. 02:12:44.106 --> 02:12:46.140 It's been waiting a while. 02:12:46.140 --> 02:12:48.170 My name is Joshua Rednick and I work 02:12:48.170 --> 02:12:49.880 for sun gauge in Oakland. 02:12:49.880 --> 02:12:51.350 I was born and raised in Berkeley 02:12:51.350 --> 02:12:53.920 and I've worked in solar for 11 years. 02:12:53.920 --> 02:12:56.990 I love my solar career because we are democratizing energy 02:12:56.990 --> 02:12:59.860 independence, working towards a cleaner future 02:12:59.860 --> 02:13:02.330 and contributing to job growth in California. 02:13:02.330 --> 02:13:04.670 The proposed decision would kill the value proposition 02:13:04.670 --> 02:13:07.020 for homeowners and my job and nearly 02:13:07.020 --> 02:13:10.250 70,000 other California solar jobs along with it. 02:13:10.250 --> 02:13:12.850 The current NEM three proposal is a disaster 02:13:12.850 --> 02:13:15.000 for the solar industry and for California, 02:13:15.000 --> 02:13:16.830 you must reject this, please. 02:13:16.830 --> 02:13:19.910 Thank you very much for listening and have a good day. 02:13:19.910 --> 02:13:21.310 Thank you. 02:13:21.310 --> 02:13:22.793 Operator, next caller please. 02:13:24.530 --> 02:13:26.680 Our next caller is Sarah Ruth. 02:13:26.680 --> 02:13:27.573 You may go ahead. 02:13:28.520 --> 02:13:30.190 Hi. Can you hear me? 02:13:30.190 --> 02:13:31.179 Yes, we can please. 02:13:31.179 --> 02:13:32.012 Thank you. 02:13:32.012 --> 02:13:36.210 And I really wanna thank the Commission for this hours 02:13:36.210 --> 02:13:38.230 and hours long exercise and democracy. 02:13:38.230 --> 02:13:39.630 It's really very heartening. 02:13:39.630 --> 02:13:43.260 There have been hundreds of amazingly smart comments. 02:13:43.260 --> 02:13:45.050 I can't begin to touch. 02:13:45.050 --> 02:13:46.870 Thank you for letting them be said. 02:13:46.870 --> 02:13:50.320 I want to point out and speak to what a mayor 02:13:50.320 --> 02:13:53.310 said about how their work was... 02:13:53.310 --> 02:13:55.830 She was addressing her comments to the Governor 02:13:55.830 --> 02:14:00.030 that she'd been working for him and his agenda, 02:14:00.030 --> 02:14:01.400 'cause she believed in it. 02:14:01.400 --> 02:14:03.360 I'm struck by the fact that we're sitting here right 02:14:03.360 --> 02:14:07.260 on the phones of two initiatives that everybody wants. 02:14:07.260 --> 02:14:09.060 This and also the guaranteed healthcare 02:14:09.060 --> 02:14:11.580 for all that 80, 1400. 02:14:11.580 --> 02:14:13.050 Everybody wants that. 02:14:13.050 --> 02:14:15.080 Everybody here thinks this net metering 02:14:15.080 --> 02:14:16.283 proposal is ridiculous. 02:14:17.290 --> 02:14:22.290 I'm not sure what kind of productivity waste 02:14:22.750 --> 02:14:25.320 has been recognized here by all these people 02:14:25.320 --> 02:14:27.040 hanging on the phone all this time. 02:14:27.040 --> 02:14:28.910 It isn't good for us. 02:14:28.910 --> 02:14:31.540 Let's not do something that is done. 02:14:31.540 --> 02:14:34.880 I'm also concerned with the implication on schools. 02:14:34.880 --> 02:14:37.259 They're schooled across the country-- 02:14:37.259 --> 02:14:38.680 (alarm ringing) Okay, sorry. 02:14:38.680 --> 02:14:39.620 Thank you. 02:14:39.620 --> 02:14:41.460 Thank you, operator. 02:14:41.460 --> 02:14:42.757 Next caller please. 02:14:44.460 --> 02:14:46.930 Our next caller is Jan Ellen Dietrich. 02:14:46.930 --> 02:14:47.823 You may go ahead. 02:14:51.078 --> 02:14:51.911 [Jan Ellen Dietrich] Hi. 02:14:51.911 --> 02:14:54.270 Yes, Jan Ellen Dietrich is Ventura. 02:14:54.270 --> 02:14:56.430 I have small agricultural business. 02:14:56.430 --> 02:14:59.323 That's been saving to expand our solar system 02:14:59.323 --> 02:15:01.970 with the recommended battery storage 02:15:01.970 --> 02:15:05.320 and our net motivation is to help cut peaker use 02:15:05.320 --> 02:15:08.890 and GHG's, a young consultant helping people 02:15:08.890 --> 02:15:12.830 buy systems told me that if the news of this PG&E 02:15:12.830 --> 02:15:16.850 spread those calling him have how that have previously 02:15:16.850 --> 02:15:21.810 been confident and hopeful are now anxious and confused. 02:15:21.810 --> 02:15:24.780 They ask, should I hurry up because 02:15:24.780 --> 02:15:26.900 rules will change or wait. 02:15:26.900 --> 02:15:31.060 His valuable time is going to mitigate your confusion 02:15:32.120 --> 02:15:36.120 and not satisfying customers by selling systems. 02:15:36.120 --> 02:15:38.120 That's just crazy. 02:15:38.120 --> 02:15:42.240 So, I'm asking you to stop the disruption of these lives. 02:15:42.240 --> 02:15:45.260 Reestablish stability with ample incentives, 02:15:45.260 --> 02:15:47.833 for storage and equity for all. 02:15:51.210 --> 02:15:52.360 Thank you. 02:15:52.360 --> 02:15:53.963 Operator, next caller please. 02:15:56.570 --> 02:15:58.570 Our next caller is Bill Binal. 02:15:58.570 --> 02:15:59.423 You may go ahead. 02:16:02.140 --> 02:16:05.100 Good afternoon Commissioners, Bill Binal. 02:16:05.100 --> 02:16:08.210 I live in San Diego county ground zero for solar. 02:16:08.210 --> 02:16:10.550 I've been involved in the renewable technology interest 02:16:10.550 --> 02:16:13.810 suite since 2009 I second and third, 02:16:13.810 --> 02:16:18.440 the motions to oppose this one sided net meeting NEM 3.0 02:16:18.440 --> 02:16:23.060 recommendations and echo all the arguments statistics 02:16:23.060 --> 02:16:25.700 previously given by my esteemed colleagues 02:16:25.700 --> 02:16:27.200 and concerned citizens. 02:16:27.200 --> 02:16:30.160 California has led the way in the worthy goal 02:16:30.160 --> 02:16:33.230 to create a renewable and sustainable world. 02:16:33.230 --> 02:16:36.520 Let's make a better world for our children, 02:16:36.520 --> 02:16:38.790 our grandchildren and future descendants. 02:16:38.790 --> 02:16:40.640 Don't turn back the clock. 02:16:40.640 --> 02:16:43.600 Let's move forward to creative technology. 02:16:43.600 --> 02:16:46.440 There is enough energy in the sun in two hours 02:16:47.744 --> 02:16:49.533 to power the entire for a year. 02:16:51.505 --> 02:16:53.850 Paraphrasing Thomas Edison even stated back in 1910, 02:16:53.850 --> 02:16:56.890 I put my money on the sun and solar energy. 02:16:56.890 --> 02:17:00.860 Let's hope we don't have to wait until all the coal, 02:17:00.860 --> 02:17:04.803 gas and oil are used up until we harness the sun. 02:17:04.803 --> 02:17:07.103 Please break it up. 02:17:07.103 --> 02:17:08.909 Thank you. 02:17:08.909 --> 02:17:09.742 Thank you. 02:17:09.742 --> 02:17:10.930 Thank you very much. 02:17:10.930 --> 02:17:12.493 Take our next caller please. 02:17:14.620 --> 02:17:16.570 Our next caller is Shirley Shelanski. 02:17:17.670 --> 02:17:18.520 You may go ahead. 02:17:20.033 --> 02:17:20.890 [Shirley Shelanski] Okay. 02:17:20.890 --> 02:17:22.550 Hello? Can you hear me? 02:17:22.550 --> 02:17:24.442 Yes we can please go ahead. 02:17:24.442 --> 02:17:25.275 [Shirley Shelanski] Oh, okay. 02:17:25.275 --> 02:17:27.520 Hi, this is Shirley Shelanski I'm opposed 02:17:27.520 --> 02:17:30.260 to the proposed NEM three measure. 02:17:30.260 --> 02:17:33.050 I'm a retiry and pleasant hill who had to fight 02:17:33.050 --> 02:17:36.380 for solar three years ago because I'm in an HOA 02:17:36.380 --> 02:17:38.470 of a private unit development. 02:17:38.470 --> 02:17:41.150 I chose solar to do my part in fighting climate change 02:17:41.150 --> 02:17:43.280 and improving air quality. 02:17:43.280 --> 02:17:48.210 If I use more energy than I get PG&E reimburses me 02:17:48.210 --> 02:17:50.540 at four percent or four cents. 02:17:50.540 --> 02:17:52.580 But if I use too energy, it true up, 02:17:52.580 --> 02:17:56.080 I pay 28 cents or more of whatever the going rate is. 02:17:56.080 --> 02:17:58.160 I feel like that's my role and I don't need 02:17:58.160 --> 02:18:01.103 to be further penalized by a tax. 02:18:02.310 --> 02:18:05.920 I also charge my hybrid plugin with clean energy. 02:18:05.920 --> 02:18:08.390 I don't wanna deal with dirty energy. 02:18:08.390 --> 02:18:10.450 I'm asking you to honor the 20 year agreement 02:18:10.450 --> 02:18:12.940 as well as making solar affordable to low 02:18:12.940 --> 02:18:14.740 and middle class residents. 02:18:14.740 --> 02:18:16.870 Solar provides good clean energy jobs 02:18:16.870 --> 02:18:18.620 and help us meet our climate goals. 02:18:19.600 --> 02:18:22.440 Rooftop solar will free up open space 02:18:22.440 --> 02:18:25.890 by having to, so we don't have to place 02:18:25.890 --> 02:18:28.191 large solar and wind projects. 02:18:28.191 --> 02:18:29.024 Please-- (alarm ringing) 02:18:29.024 --> 02:18:30.632 Please pass this-- 02:18:30.632 --> 02:18:31.715 Thank you. 02:18:31.715 --> 02:18:33.223 [Shirley Shelanski] Thank you. 02:18:33.223 --> 02:18:34.120 Thank you for your comments. 02:18:34.120 --> 02:18:35.917 Operator, next caller please. 02:19:11.540 --> 02:19:12.540 President Reynold. 02:19:12.540 --> 02:19:16.950 Our next speaker is Elester, Elester you are on muted. 02:19:16.950 --> 02:19:18.051 Go ahead and speak. 02:19:18.051 --> 02:19:20.420 Yes, can you hear me? 02:19:20.420 --> 02:19:21.920 Yes, we can please go ahead. 02:19:24.188 --> 02:19:25.021 Okay. 02:19:25.021 --> 02:19:27.120 Ladies and gentlemen of the CPUC 02:19:27.120 --> 02:19:28.710 this is a very serious issue. 02:19:28.710 --> 02:19:31.270 NEM three is an attack on our democracy 02:19:31.270 --> 02:19:32.630 and this is the real insurrection 02:19:32.630 --> 02:19:34.010 that's occurring in our country. 02:19:34.010 --> 02:19:36.610 Not November 3rd, like the former president said, 02:19:36.610 --> 02:19:39.610 and not January 6th, like the current one is saying 02:19:39.610 --> 02:19:43.480 this CPUC decision is the fight of our time. 02:19:43.480 --> 02:19:45.750 The corporate and monopolist utility companies 02:19:45.750 --> 02:19:48.340 are pushing this to make solar inequitable. 02:19:48.340 --> 02:19:51.250 Inequitable means not equitable. 02:19:51.250 --> 02:19:52.840 Contrary to the utilities, jargon 02:19:52.840 --> 02:19:54.840 and intentional misunderstanding 02:19:54.840 --> 02:19:56.320 and use of the word equity. 02:19:56.320 --> 02:19:58.760 It is inequitable for the working and middle class 02:19:58.760 --> 02:20:03.280 to go solar with NEM 3.0 because it is way too expensive. 02:20:03.280 --> 02:20:04.420 The Paris climate Accords, 02:20:04.420 --> 02:20:06.810 which we are now part of thanks to president Biden 02:20:06.810 --> 02:20:09.560 and push is made by Governor Newsom demand action 02:20:09.560 --> 02:20:12.240 to prevent the media threat of climate change. 02:20:12.240 --> 02:20:14.710 CPUC Commissioners, I'm talking to you right now, 02:20:14.710 --> 02:20:16.880 do not be a cohort in this interaction. 02:20:16.880 --> 02:20:18.220 If you do and vote for this, 02:20:18.220 --> 02:20:20.650 you'll be participating in economic treason, 02:20:20.650 --> 02:20:22.940 and you'll be labeled to domestic terrorist. 02:20:22.940 --> 02:20:25.790 Please understand (alarm rings) the way behind your vote. 02:20:26.700 --> 02:20:29.430 Thank you very much, Operator. 02:20:29.430 --> 02:20:30.603 Next caller, please. 02:20:36.090 --> 02:20:38.795 Our next caller is Charlie. 02:20:38.795 --> 02:20:39.628 (clearing throat) 02:20:39.628 --> 02:20:41.423 Excuse me. (coughing) 02:20:43.210 --> 02:20:45.440 Excuse me, Charlie Popper. 02:20:45.440 --> 02:20:46.273 Yes. 02:20:46.273 --> 02:20:47.740 Can you hear me? 02:20:47.740 --> 02:20:49.270 Yes, we can please go ahead. 02:20:49.270 --> 02:20:50.103 Okay. 02:20:50.103 --> 02:20:50.936 I'm a retiree. 02:20:50.936 --> 02:20:55.936 I installed solar 15 years ago with the intent 02:20:56.640 --> 02:21:00.980 of reducing our impact on global warming. 02:21:00.980 --> 02:21:03.650 I live in, if you want to know exactly where I live, 02:21:03.650 --> 02:21:04.810 it's in Plumas county. 02:21:04.810 --> 02:21:07.570 It's the part of Plumas county with the big hole 02:21:07.570 --> 02:21:09.930 where the Dixie fire did not burn. 02:21:09.930 --> 02:21:13.120 And if I had never had any questions 02:21:13.120 --> 02:21:15.820 about how important it is to have solar 02:21:15.820 --> 02:21:20.820 for climate change this year, as I watched the fire burn 02:21:21.470 --> 02:21:26.470 all around us, I am very opposed to this proposal. 02:21:26.870 --> 02:21:31.280 I think it is going to penalize us for doing the right thing 02:21:32.986 --> 02:21:36.850 15 years ago, and it is going to have just the opposite 02:21:36.850 --> 02:21:41.390 effect on our impacts on global change. 02:21:44.130 --> 02:21:44.963 Thank you, please oppose it. 02:21:44.963 --> 02:21:45.796 Thank you. 02:21:45.796 --> 02:21:46.716 Thank you. 02:21:48.150 --> 02:21:49.703 Operator, next caller please. 02:21:51.930 --> 02:21:53.700 Our next caller is Tomlind. 02:21:53.700 --> 02:21:54.550 You may go ahead. 02:21:56.960 --> 02:21:57.793 Hello. 02:21:57.793 --> 02:21:59.460 Thank you for hanging in there all day. 02:21:59.460 --> 02:22:01.407 I appreciate the intention of the CPUC 02:22:01.407 --> 02:22:03.990 and some of the parties to improve equity 02:22:03.990 --> 02:22:05.980 and to encourage storage. 02:22:05.980 --> 02:22:08.430 But I wanna talk about unintended consequences. 02:22:08.430 --> 02:22:11.170 I'm concerned that this tariff proposal will not solve 02:22:11.170 --> 02:22:12.380 the problem of rate payer equity, 02:22:12.380 --> 02:22:15.060 but rather will likely make it worse. 02:22:15.060 --> 02:22:17.153 Even if the proposal of economous 02:22:18.010 --> 02:22:19.110 in the solar energy industry, there's one group 02:22:19.110 --> 02:22:21.970 that will be incentivized by this proposal. 02:22:21.970 --> 02:22:25.310 All of you on from know more better than most 02:22:25.310 --> 02:22:28.490 how much anger there is at private utilities in this state. 02:22:28.490 --> 02:22:31.770 As this proposed tariff makes grid tied PD uneconomic, 02:22:31.770 --> 02:22:34.000 just as battery prices are coming down. 02:22:34.000 --> 02:22:36.510 I expect the new tariff will likely lead more wealthy people 02:22:36.510 --> 02:22:39.720 to get batteries and take their solar off the grid. 02:22:39.720 --> 02:22:40.860 Leaving poor ratepayers, 02:22:40.860 --> 02:22:42.840 holding the bag to support the grid. 02:22:42.840 --> 02:22:45.780 Exactly what you were trying to counter. 02:22:45.780 --> 02:22:48.330 I'm not wealthy and I'm considering it. 02:22:48.330 --> 02:22:49.690 This takes those solar and storage 02:22:49.690 --> 02:22:51.350 resources inefficiently off the grid, 02:22:51.350 --> 02:22:53.100 just when the climate crisis calls on us 02:22:53.100 --> 02:22:56.157 to employ all the renewables and storage resources 02:22:56.157 --> 02:22:57.757 we can as effectively as we can. 02:22:58.690 --> 02:23:00.590 Unfortunately, the rate bases system is regressive 02:23:00.590 --> 02:23:02.920 and broken and private utilities seems up 02:23:03.871 --> 02:23:04.990 to the job of saving us. (alarm ringing) 02:23:04.990 --> 02:23:05.823 Thank you. 02:23:07.259 --> 02:23:08.325 Thank you. 02:23:08.325 --> 02:23:09.775 Operator, next caller please. 02:23:11.160 --> 02:23:13.030 Our next caller is Jan Warren. 02:23:13.030 --> 02:23:13.943 You may go ahead. 02:23:24.070 --> 02:23:26.470 Again, Jan Warren your line is open. 02:23:26.470 --> 02:23:28.760 Please check your mute button. 02:23:28.760 --> 02:23:30.298 Can you hear me now? 02:23:30.298 --> 02:23:31.540 Hello. 02:23:31.540 --> 02:23:32.720 We can hear you now, please go ahead. 02:23:32.720 --> 02:23:33.784 Okay, I'm sorry. 02:23:33.784 --> 02:23:35.221 Nevermind. 02:23:35.221 --> 02:23:37.180 I'm with the Interfaith Climate Action 02:23:37.180 --> 02:23:38.850 Network of Contra Costa County 02:23:38.850 --> 02:23:40.880 I live in Walnut Creek and we 02:23:40.880 --> 02:23:43.650 have rooftop solar on our home. 02:23:43.650 --> 02:23:46.300 Faith congregations have been putting solar 02:23:46.300 --> 02:23:49.750 on their rooftops to reduce their carbon footprints 02:23:49.750 --> 02:23:52.850 and many are adding battery storage to provide resilience 02:23:52.850 --> 02:23:54.950 hub in their communities. 02:23:54.950 --> 02:23:57.800 Interfaith Climate Action Network of Contra Costa County 02:23:57.800 --> 02:24:00.670 supports state funding through cap trade, 02:24:00.670 --> 02:24:04.120 and other state funding sources for low income households 02:24:04.120 --> 02:24:08.163 to install solar and reduce their energy financial burden. 02:24:09.010 --> 02:24:11.750 California can't meet their 2030 goals 02:24:11.750 --> 02:24:13.700 without rooftops solar. 02:24:13.700 --> 02:24:17.080 We are against the proposed solar penalty fee. 02:24:17.080 --> 02:24:18.840 Please save California jobs. 02:24:18.840 --> 02:24:19.673 Thank you. 02:24:20.820 --> 02:24:22.050 Thank you, operator. 02:24:22.050 --> 02:24:23.133 Next caller, please. 02:24:25.360 --> 02:24:27.040 Our next caller is Kathy Rowling. 02:24:27.040 --> 02:24:28.013 Please, go ahead. 02:24:32.480 --> 02:24:33.313 Hello, yes. 02:24:33.313 --> 02:24:34.950 And thank you for taking my call. 02:24:34.950 --> 02:24:35.940 My name is Kathy Rowling. 02:24:35.940 --> 02:24:39.630 I'm a school board member in city of Carlsbad, 02:24:39.630 --> 02:24:43.310 and we have written resolutions as well as other 02:24:43.310 --> 02:24:46.090 school districts in San Diego county. 02:24:46.090 --> 02:24:49.570 And the biggest issues that I see per schools 02:24:49.570 --> 02:24:52.050 is that we've had taxpayers invest millions 02:24:52.050 --> 02:24:56.230 and millions of dollars in solar arrays in school districts 02:24:56.230 --> 02:24:59.410 and this proposal penalizes those districts. 02:24:59.410 --> 02:25:03.760 And then again also discourages other districts. 02:25:03.760 --> 02:25:08.300 So, basically this really penalizes taxpayers 02:25:08.300 --> 02:25:11.610 and taxpayers are the same people as ratepayers. 02:25:11.610 --> 02:25:14.460 And the other thing to realize is that there is a school 02:25:14.460 --> 02:25:17.890 district and a school in every neighborhood, 02:25:17.890 --> 02:25:21.050 including disadvantaged neighborhoods. 02:25:21.050 --> 02:25:22.590 So, it's important to understand that schools 02:25:22.590 --> 02:25:24.280 can play an integral role. 02:25:24.280 --> 02:25:28.120 And that's a big part of fixing this net metering 3.0. 02:25:28.120 --> 02:25:31.560 So I highly encourage you to get rid of this proposal 02:25:31.560 --> 02:25:35.070 and start over with climate change 02:25:35.070 --> 02:25:37.110 and education schools in mind. 02:25:37.110 --> 02:25:39.090 Thank you. (alarm ringing) 02:25:39.090 --> 02:25:41.683 Thank you, operator next caller please. 02:25:44.710 --> 02:25:48.400 Our next caller is Oeded Vogo. 02:25:48.400 --> 02:25:49.250 You may go ahead. 02:25:50.800 --> 02:25:52.490 Hi, my name is Oeded Vogo 02:25:52.490 --> 02:25:56.640 I'm with All Valley Solar in the Los Angeles area, 02:25:56.640 --> 02:26:00.603 and I've been in our thermal industry for 42 years. 02:26:02.040 --> 02:26:07.040 My reflection today on the international Holocaust day 02:26:08.200 --> 02:26:10.770 that we've all lost some things, 02:26:10.770 --> 02:26:14.603 and hopefully we will have some hope beyond 02:26:16.260 --> 02:26:17.650 loss of family members. 02:26:17.650 --> 02:26:22.650 It's about 77 plus years ago on December 31st, 1985. 02:26:25.980 --> 02:26:28.880 We lost the thermal solar industry as we know it 02:26:29.890 --> 02:26:32.120 with the killing of the tax credit, 02:26:32.120 --> 02:26:36.230 took over a decade to recover. 02:26:36.230 --> 02:26:41.230 Please don't approve the NEM three and make it 02:26:43.450 --> 02:26:47.127 solar death 2.0, thank you for listening. 02:26:47.127 --> 02:26:51.600 And I'm sorry for my breath walking here after seven hours. 02:26:51.600 --> 02:26:52.480 Bye, bye. 02:26:52.480 --> 02:26:55.050 Thank you very much Operator. 02:26:55.050 --> 02:26:56.103 Next caller please. 02:26:57.045 --> 02:26:57.878 Okay. 02:26:57.878 --> 02:27:00.670 Our next caller is William Dawson. 02:27:00.670 --> 02:27:01.520 You may go ahead. 02:27:06.910 --> 02:27:08.600 It looks like Williams line disconnected. 02:27:08.600 --> 02:27:10.860 Our next caller is Frank Fratus. 02:27:10.860 --> 02:27:13.207 You may go ahead or Fratus. 02:27:14.210 --> 02:27:15.500 Hello. 02:27:15.500 --> 02:27:16.823 My name is Frank Fratus. 02:27:17.890 --> 02:27:22.890 I believe this policy goes against US public policy, 02:27:23.500 --> 02:27:27.573 California public policy, and it doesn't make any sense. 02:27:28.500 --> 02:27:31.630 I think what will happen from this is maybe not a intended 02:27:33.231 --> 02:27:36.040 consequence is that these companies, 02:27:36.040 --> 02:27:37.430 rather than leave the state, 02:27:37.430 --> 02:27:41.170 they will come to come together and design and build systems 02:27:41.170 --> 02:27:43.820 that convert current systems to off grid. 02:27:43.820 --> 02:27:46.880 And I would be willing to participate in that. 02:27:46.880 --> 02:27:47.750 I'm not in the business. 02:27:47.750 --> 02:27:49.160 I'm retired. 02:27:49.160 --> 02:27:51.537 I do have solar panels and I do have a battery. 02:27:51.537 --> 02:27:55.580 And my net usage for the year last year was negative. 02:27:55.580 --> 02:28:00.580 So this public policy requires this rule to be denied. 02:28:06.000 --> 02:28:07.226 Thank you, operator. 02:28:07.226 --> 02:28:08.753 Next caller, please. 02:28:12.200 --> 02:28:14.120 Our next caller is there Theresa Chesmore. 02:28:14.120 --> 02:28:14.970 You may go ahead. 02:28:16.474 --> 02:28:17.307 [Theresa Chesmore] Hi. 02:28:17.307 --> 02:28:18.560 Can you hear me? 02:28:18.560 --> 02:28:20.651 Yes, we can please go ahead. 02:28:20.651 --> 02:28:21.484 [Theresa Chesmore] Oh yes. 02:28:21.484 --> 02:28:23.090 Hi, my name's Theresa Chesmore 02:28:23.090 --> 02:28:25.617 and I live in Fort Bragg, California, 02:28:25.617 --> 02:28:28.660 and my husband and I are retired and we just put 02:28:28.660 --> 02:28:32.530 solar panels on this month and we are connected. 02:28:32.530 --> 02:28:34.780 I wasn't fully aware of this, 02:28:34.780 --> 02:28:38.390 what was going on and we took the money and paid it out 02:28:38.390 --> 02:28:40.570 in full out of our meager savings. 02:28:40.570 --> 02:28:43.350 We have very little, because we couldn't keep up 02:28:43.350 --> 02:28:45.970 with the cost of the PG&E bill. 02:28:45.970 --> 02:28:48.770 And we've had it checked out by PG&E how do we come 02:28:48.770 --> 02:28:50.770 and look up the meter, blah, blah, blah. 02:28:51.830 --> 02:28:56.270 If this turns passes and we are not gonna get from these, 02:28:56.270 --> 02:28:58.110 the money that we put into the solar panels, 02:28:58.110 --> 02:29:02.290 who do we go to to get our money back to these solar panels 02:29:02.290 --> 02:29:07.290 that PG&E's going to benefit from not to mention 02:29:07.360 --> 02:29:10.400 why are they gonna put taxes on solar owners 02:29:10.400 --> 02:29:13.440 when I'm not sure, but I think PG&E themselves 02:29:13.440 --> 02:29:15.140 don't pay taxes. 02:29:15.140 --> 02:29:15.973 Thank you. 02:29:15.973 --> 02:29:16.806 Have a great day. 02:29:16.806 --> 02:29:18.103 Hope it doesn't pass, bye. 02:29:19.450 --> 02:29:21.190 Thank you, operator. 02:29:21.190 --> 02:29:22.467 Next call please. 02:29:23.920 --> 02:29:27.560 Our next is Leor Milligram Garner. 02:29:27.560 --> 02:29:28.410 You may go ahead. 02:29:29.963 --> 02:29:30.796 [Leor Milligram Garner] Hi. Yes. 02:29:30.796 --> 02:29:31.870 Thank you so much. 02:29:31.870 --> 02:29:33.475 I'm so happy. 02:29:33.475 --> 02:29:35.820 I stayed on the line for one extra minute. 02:29:35.820 --> 02:29:37.590 My name is Liore Milgrom-Gartner. 02:29:37.590 --> 02:29:40.260 I am the Norther Director for California Interfaith 02:29:40.260 --> 02:29:43.130 Power & Light, I'm a renter and a multifamily 02:29:43.130 --> 02:29:45.440 dwell and a trained economist. 02:29:45.440 --> 02:29:48.510 I come to you on my own behalf and that of over 800 02:29:48.510 --> 02:29:51.430 individuals of faith, committed to climate justice 02:29:51.430 --> 02:29:53.560 who signed onto our action alert. 02:29:53.560 --> 02:29:55.610 Rooftop solar must remain affordable. 02:29:55.610 --> 02:29:58.760 We ask for you increased incentives for the poorest among us 02:29:58.760 --> 02:30:00.590 and for batteries for a fall. 02:30:00.590 --> 02:30:03.000 The earth is calling on us to ask on climate. 02:30:03.000 --> 02:30:06.780 We need a SWIFT about clean energy while fortifying 02:30:06.780 --> 02:30:08.460 communities with microgrids, 02:30:08.460 --> 02:30:10.350 our congregations enabled by strong 02:30:10.350 --> 02:30:11.827 them are doing just that. 02:30:11.827 --> 02:30:14.790 Please continue and strengthen these policies 02:30:14.790 --> 02:30:17.060 so we can answer our call to care for the earth 02:30:17.060 --> 02:30:18.380 and one another. 02:30:18.380 --> 02:30:20.883 Thank you so much for this very long day. 02:30:22.130 --> 02:30:23.210 Thank you. 02:30:23.210 --> 02:30:24.773 Operator, next caller please. 02:30:27.690 --> 02:30:29.906 Our next caller is John panic. 02:30:29.906 --> 02:30:33.073 (indistinct chatters) 02:30:37.670 --> 02:30:39.993 Our next caller is John Panic. 02:30:41.240 --> 02:30:42.203 You may go ahead. 02:30:43.640 --> 02:30:44.590 Yes. 02:30:45.891 --> 02:30:49.563 This is John panic from Long Beach, California. 02:30:51.680 --> 02:30:53.653 I'm against this proposal. 02:30:54.830 --> 02:30:59.800 There's a lot of things that really haven't been said, 02:30:59.800 --> 02:31:03.840 and I apologize in advance if I insult anybody. 02:31:03.840 --> 02:31:06.650 But this egregious proposal is based 02:31:06.650 --> 02:31:10.633 basically on greed, if not entirely on greed. 02:31:15.600 --> 02:31:19.150 The lack of integrity is very evident 02:31:19.150 --> 02:31:23.310 and most people think there is collusion going on. 02:31:23.310 --> 02:31:26.650 I would hope you'd be able to prove contrary 02:31:26.650 --> 02:31:30.410 and be able to eliminate this proposal 02:31:30.410 --> 02:31:35.173 and actually give credits to net generators. 02:31:36.710 --> 02:31:38.090 Thank you very much. 02:31:38.090 --> 02:31:39.063 I appreciate it. 02:31:40.450 --> 02:31:41.283 Thank you. 02:31:41.283 --> 02:31:43.363 Operator, next caller please. 02:31:45.961 --> 02:31:49.190 Our next caller is Adam Bagnall, may go ahead. 02:31:51.090 --> 02:31:52.430 Thank you. 02:31:52.430 --> 02:31:54.150 Hi, my name is Adam Bagnall. 02:31:54.150 --> 02:31:55.940 I'm a solar engineer for Solar Rebel 02:31:55.940 --> 02:31:58.580 and I've been working in solar for about nine years. 02:31:58.580 --> 02:32:02.550 I worked at Solar City in 2012 when Arizona public service 02:32:02.550 --> 02:32:04.530 gutted none and added steep monthly fees 02:32:04.530 --> 02:32:06.020 for solar customers. 02:32:06.020 --> 02:32:08.300 As a result, several solar companies pulled out 02:32:08.300 --> 02:32:10.990 of the state overnight leading to immediate job losses 02:32:10.990 --> 02:32:12.920 and effectively eviscerating the industry 02:32:12.920 --> 02:32:14.740 there for several years. 02:32:14.740 --> 02:32:16.280 Since California is the national 02:32:16.280 --> 02:32:17.860 trend center for clean energy. 02:32:17.860 --> 02:32:19.600 Not only will this cost as jobs, 02:32:19.600 --> 02:32:21.490 but it'll create a domino effect of other states 02:32:21.490 --> 02:32:23.560 having the same misinformed idea. 02:32:23.560 --> 02:32:26.020 I'm confident there's a solution that won't increase costs 02:32:26.020 --> 02:32:28.434 while maintaining price equity for non solar customers. 02:32:28.434 --> 02:32:30.423 Thank you. 02:32:30.423 --> 02:32:31.410 Thank you. 02:32:31.410 --> 02:32:32.943 Operator, next caller please. 02:32:34.840 --> 02:32:36.750 Our next caller is David Erickson. 02:32:36.750 --> 02:32:37.663 You may go ahead. 02:32:47.700 --> 02:32:49.553 This is David Erickson. 02:32:50.840 --> 02:32:52.690 I'm a homeowner in Scotts valley, California. 02:32:52.690 --> 02:32:55.740 We urge you to reject NEM 3.0. 02:32:55.740 --> 02:32:57.800 This current solar tax proposal before you 02:32:57.800 --> 02:32:59.630 seems like a step backwards. 02:32:59.630 --> 02:33:01.220 We are currently in the midst of solar 02:33:01.220 --> 02:33:03.600 or electric power installation at our home. 02:33:03.600 --> 02:33:05.420 As an attempt to do our part for clean, 02:33:05.420 --> 02:33:09.410 renewable energy for lower ongoing energy costs 02:33:09.410 --> 02:33:11.320 and for maintaining electric energy during 02:33:11.320 --> 02:33:13.400 public safety power shutoffs. 02:33:13.400 --> 02:33:15.100 Additionally, excess power generated 02:33:15.100 --> 02:33:17.190 also feeds back to the electric grid, 02:33:17.190 --> 02:33:20.010 lowering the demand on fossil fueled powered generation 02:33:20.010 --> 02:33:22.990 plants and thus reducing pollution. 02:33:22.990 --> 02:33:26.480 It's unclear to me what theorY collected fees are for. 02:33:26.480 --> 02:33:29.870 Does the utility like PG&E retain them 02:33:29.870 --> 02:33:31.070 as revenue of profits? 02:33:31.070 --> 02:33:32.430 Are they collected for the state? 02:33:32.430 --> 02:33:34.323 If so, what is this Tax fund? 02:33:35.440 --> 02:33:38.260 Legislatures have passed measures for incentives 02:33:38.260 --> 02:33:39.750 for solar installation. 02:33:39.750 --> 02:33:43.240 This proposal counteracts those measures. 02:33:43.240 --> 02:33:47.660 We urge you to reject NEM 3.0, including any compromises. 02:33:47.660 --> 02:33:48.860 Thank you for listening. 02:33:50.010 --> 02:33:52.203 Thank you, operator, next caller, please. 02:33:55.030 --> 02:33:57.320 Our next caller is Missy Simpiino. 02:33:57.320 --> 02:33:58.170 You may go ahead. 02:33:59.890 --> 02:34:01.721 Hi, this is Missy Simpiino. 02:34:01.721 --> 02:34:03.032 I'm with the rooftop solar. 02:34:03.032 --> 02:34:04.827 I've been in North Solar Industry for nine years 02:34:04.827 --> 02:34:06.720 and I live in Roseville, California, 02:34:06.720 --> 02:34:09.067 and I appreciate you taking the time to listen to me, 02:34:09.067 --> 02:34:10.910 and I did wanna make two points. 02:34:10.910 --> 02:34:13.130 First of all, just say thank you for passing the initiative 02:34:13.130 --> 02:34:16.220 on California solar mandate, which was in massive 02:34:16.220 --> 02:34:18.510 in January, 2020, that all homes 02:34:18.510 --> 02:34:20.180 have to be built with solar. 02:34:20.180 --> 02:34:22.960 I do wanna say that with that in mind, 02:34:22.960 --> 02:34:26.250 every person that goes solar after the NEM three has passed, 02:34:26.250 --> 02:34:29.530 is gonna pay more for their utility costs than a customer 02:34:29.530 --> 02:34:32.040 that's connected directly to the grid. 02:34:32.040 --> 02:34:34.800 So, definitely will kill solar and putting every new 02:34:34.800 --> 02:34:36.150 homeowner at risk of paying 02:34:36.150 --> 02:34:38.730 more for their utility, which is crazy. 02:34:38.730 --> 02:34:40.700 The second thing I'd like to say is if you can, 02:34:40.700 --> 02:34:42.760 I implore you to go back and look at what happened 02:34:42.760 --> 02:34:46.290 in NEM one to NEM two, where you added transmission fees. 02:34:46.290 --> 02:34:49.830 Teaching E rates are 80% higher than any of the other person 02:34:49.830 --> 02:34:53.330 or any other utility company in the US. 02:34:53.330 --> 02:34:56.350 And therefore they buy more power than anyone else 02:34:56.350 --> 02:34:58.360 because there territories are so large. 02:34:58.360 --> 02:35:00.150 They buy at a lower rate than anyone else 02:35:00.150 --> 02:35:01.870 and charge more than anyone else. 02:35:01.870 --> 02:35:04.760 It's not the solar companies that are charging more money 02:35:04.760 --> 02:35:08.984 for the rates to go up-- (alarm ringing) 02:35:08.984 --> 02:35:10.550 or the solar utility companies mismanagement-- 02:35:10.550 --> 02:35:11.820 Thank you. 02:35:11.820 --> 02:35:13.730 Thank you. 02:35:13.730 --> 02:35:15.090 Thank you, operator. 02:35:15.090 --> 02:35:16.123 Next caller, please. 02:35:17.420 --> 02:35:19.430 Our next caller is Allis Druffel. 02:35:19.430 --> 02:35:20.280 You may go ahead. 02:35:22.730 --> 02:35:24.480 Good afternoon Commissioners. 02:35:24.480 --> 02:35:25.843 My name is Allis Druffel. 02:35:26.878 --> 02:35:28.370 I'm the Southern California Director 02:35:28.370 --> 02:35:31.050 for California Interfaith Power & Light. 02:35:31.050 --> 02:35:33.710 We're excited by a recent survey that shows over 02:35:33.710 --> 02:35:38.110 300 houses of worship in the golden state employee solar, 02:35:38.110 --> 02:35:39.980 these faith organizations, 02:35:39.980 --> 02:35:42.170 more than and 800 Californians of faith 02:35:42.170 --> 02:35:46.160 and two dozen state and national faith organizations 02:35:46.160 --> 02:35:49.760 have signed onto our petition and support a revised 02:35:49.760 --> 02:35:53.070 net metering that does not have a monthly solar tax 02:35:53.070 --> 02:35:55.840 that honors the 20 year net metering protection 02:35:55.840 --> 02:35:59.470 for current solar customers and a net metering credit 02:35:59.470 --> 02:36:02.490 that works for working middle class families. 02:36:02.490 --> 02:36:06.370 We reject the false cost shift narrative and urge 02:36:06.370 --> 02:36:09.820 in them that protects solar jobs, public health, 02:36:09.820 --> 02:36:13.810 and the ongoing transition to a clean energy economy. 02:36:13.810 --> 02:36:15.083 Thank you so much. 02:36:16.080 --> 02:36:17.550 Thank you, operator. 02:36:17.550 --> 02:36:18.663 Next caller, please. 02:36:20.280 --> 02:36:21.780 Our next caller is Justin. 02:36:21.780 --> 02:36:22.773 You am I go ahead? 02:36:25.650 --> 02:36:28.330 Hi, this is Justin 02:36:28.330 --> 02:36:31.850 I'm in the solar industry here in the Bay area. 02:36:31.850 --> 02:36:33.170 I just wanna comment on some of the people 02:36:33.170 --> 02:36:34.333 that have been talking. 02:36:35.220 --> 02:36:36.780 It's great to hear them. 02:36:36.780 --> 02:36:39.930 That sounds like people are a little more educated 02:36:39.930 --> 02:36:41.900 and truthful this time around 02:36:42.890 --> 02:36:45.740 couple interesting points is the guy I was talking about 02:36:45.740 --> 02:36:47.130 having to disconnect solar, 02:36:47.130 --> 02:36:48.610 'cause it's not gonna be worth it anymore. 02:36:48.610 --> 02:36:51.850 Also the guy talking about the builders and the new bills 02:36:54.690 --> 02:36:55.800 that hasn't been addressed, 02:36:55.800 --> 02:36:59.730 what's gonna happen with, solar once it's deemed absolute 02:36:59.730 --> 02:37:02.130 for a lot of current customers and customers 02:37:02.130 --> 02:37:07.130 that are installing it, PG&E makes plenty of money 02:37:08.670 --> 02:37:11.580 off of so customers, other customers don't have to pay 02:37:11.580 --> 02:37:13.760 high rates because of solar customers. 02:37:13.760 --> 02:37:15.800 PG&E isn't gonna drop their rates. 02:37:15.800 --> 02:37:18.900 If there is less solar or if NEM three is passed, 02:37:18.900 --> 02:37:20.780 unions are not gonna be affected. 02:37:20.780 --> 02:37:22.220 The talk of so fields has nothing 02:37:22.220 --> 02:37:24.290 to do with anything in California. 02:37:24.290 --> 02:37:27.670 People have solar, mostly just have lower bills. 02:37:27.670 --> 02:37:29.130 They're not living off the grid 02:37:29.130 --> 02:37:31.439 and they're not stealing for PG&E. 02:37:31.439 --> 02:37:32.272 (alarm ringing) 02:37:32.272 --> 02:37:36.429 Please reject the NEM three and any of its amendments. 02:37:36.429 --> 02:37:38.113 Thank you very much. 02:37:38.113 --> 02:37:40.563 Thank you, operator, next caller, please. 02:37:42.810 --> 02:37:45.470 Our next caller is Yvette DeCarlo. 02:37:45.470 --> 02:37:46.950 You may go ahead. 02:37:46.950 --> 02:37:48.380 Hi, my name's Yvette Carlo. 02:37:48.380 --> 02:37:51.670 I'm a rooftop solar owner and former air resources board 02:37:51.670 --> 02:37:54.270 employee who worked on various climate change programs. 02:37:54.270 --> 02:37:56.410 And I can confidently say this is a distant 02:37:56.410 --> 02:37:58.630 and generous and harmful proposal. 02:37:58.630 --> 02:38:01.060 Rooftop solar helps utilities reduce the amount 02:38:01.060 --> 02:38:04.020 of energy they must generate or purchase themselves, 02:38:04.020 --> 02:38:06.650 Last March, PG&E boasted about exceeding 02:38:06.650 --> 02:38:08.630 their renewable compliance requirements. 02:38:08.630 --> 02:38:11.610 Thanks in big part to so to rooftop solar. 02:38:11.610 --> 02:38:12.690 And then a week later, 02:38:12.690 --> 02:38:15.390 they initiated this campaign to start blaming 02:38:15.390 --> 02:38:18.040 rooftop solar owners for not paying a fair share 02:38:18.040 --> 02:38:19.973 and as scapegoat to raise rates. 02:38:20.970 --> 02:38:23.907 So, basically big utilities are already starting to address 02:38:23.907 --> 02:38:26.930 and invest in large storage projects in changing their 02:38:26.930 --> 02:38:30.743 operational practices to lessen that duck curve challenge. 02:38:31.750 --> 02:38:34.180 Solar energy, it's arcing towards more affordability. 02:38:34.180 --> 02:38:36.330 So, I strongly urge you to vote no, 02:38:36.330 --> 02:38:40.440 one's proposal is to consider this, that if any utility 02:38:40.440 --> 02:38:43.970 can't survive on healthy profits versus enormous profits, 02:38:43.970 --> 02:38:46.130 they've come to the end of their useful life. 02:38:46.130 --> 02:38:48.030 Thank you so much for your time today. 02:38:49.340 --> 02:38:50.173 Thank you. 02:38:50.173 --> 02:38:51.663 Operator, next caller please. 02:38:54.480 --> 02:38:57.420 Our next caller is Denise Al Halabi. 02:38:57.420 --> 02:38:58.563 You may go ahead. 02:39:02.560 --> 02:39:03.393 [Denise Al Halabi] Hello. 02:39:03.393 --> 02:39:05.230 My name is Denise Al Halabi. 02:39:05.230 --> 02:39:08.890 I work at Sungage Financial LLC in Oakland. 02:39:08.890 --> 02:39:12.889 Thank you, president Reynolds, the Commissioners and staff, 02:39:12.889 --> 02:39:16.250 although I've only worked in solar financing for a year. 02:39:16.250 --> 02:39:19.420 I absolutely love my solar career because I helped 02:39:19.420 --> 02:39:22.060 residential solar installer is provide the lowest monthly 02:39:22.060 --> 02:39:25.280 payment, financing to their customers 02:39:25.280 --> 02:39:27.883 in Southern California, Arizona, and New Mexico. 02:39:28.730 --> 02:39:31.640 What this August body of Commissioners plan to do 02:39:31.640 --> 02:39:35.300 when they agree to net energy metering 3.0 02:39:35.300 --> 02:39:38.310 is to drastically change my job as it functions today, 02:39:38.310 --> 02:39:41.013 destroy the livelihoods of many rooftop solar, 02:39:42.150 --> 02:39:44.820 their workers, how they care for their families 02:39:44.820 --> 02:39:48.270 and the communities they live in and essentially steal 02:39:48.270 --> 02:39:51.560 yes, steal their customers and potential customers 02:39:51.560 --> 02:39:55.490 ability to enjoy clean energy and all of its benefits 02:39:55.490 --> 02:39:59.610 like eliminating the ever tightening yolk of unrelenting 02:39:59.610 --> 02:40:01.810 utility bill escalations, 02:40:01.810 --> 02:40:05.200 please vote against this proposed criminal act. 02:40:05.200 --> 02:40:10.200 Just say no to NEM 3.0, are you listening to us? 02:40:10.990 --> 02:40:12.123 Thank you so much. 02:40:13.220 --> 02:40:14.980 Thank you, operator. 02:40:14.980 --> 02:40:16.360 Next caller, please. 02:40:18.200 --> 02:40:20.940 Our next caller is Lionel Rodriguez. 02:40:20.940 --> 02:40:21.790 You may go ahead. 02:40:24.272 --> 02:40:26.800 [Lionel Rodriguez] Thank you for the time Commissioners. 02:40:26.800 --> 02:40:29.000 I really appreciate you. 02:40:29.000 --> 02:40:32.680 I know it's a long day and we've been waiting for some time. 02:40:32.680 --> 02:40:35.960 My name is Lionel Rodriguez currently employed with solar 02:40:35.960 --> 02:40:38.980 optimum servicing the greater state of California 02:40:38.980 --> 02:40:40.810 in the city of Glendale. 02:40:40.810 --> 02:40:43.260 I've been in the California solar industry 02:40:43.260 --> 02:40:45.040 for over eight years. 02:40:45.040 --> 02:40:47.700 I'm currently married with five children 02:40:47.700 --> 02:40:51.433 ages from 17 down to seven years old. 02:40:52.800 --> 02:40:54.083 I'm proud to say that my oldest is gone 02:40:54.083 --> 02:40:56.520 into college this fisical year, 02:40:56.520 --> 02:41:00.480 and truly one of the most gratifying things as a father 02:41:01.360 --> 02:41:04.810 is to be able to put your child into college 02:41:04.810 --> 02:41:09.320 for a good education, for my oldest daughter. 02:41:09.320 --> 02:41:12.843 This opportunity to go to college has set a great example 02:41:12.843 --> 02:41:15.440 for her younger siblings. 02:41:15.440 --> 02:41:18.510 And it's bringing her some great joy as well as I, 02:41:18.510 --> 02:41:22.910 for as a parent, my job has allowed me to financially 02:41:22.910 --> 02:41:27.040 support my family as one income provider 02:41:27.040 --> 02:41:30.553 and also to pay for my daughter's college. 02:41:30.553 --> 02:41:32.348 (alarm ringing) 02:41:32.348 --> 02:41:34.980 Please don't pass NEM 3.0, 02:41:34.980 --> 02:41:37.030 it's gonna affect my family 02:41:37.030 --> 02:41:39.882 and many other Californians. 02:41:39.882 --> 02:41:40.990 Thank you so much for your time 02:41:40.990 --> 02:41:42.880 and God bless you and with the decision--(indistinct) 02:41:42.880 --> 02:41:43.713 Thank you. 02:41:44.900 --> 02:41:45.733 Thank you. 02:41:45.733 --> 02:41:47.373 Operator, next caller please. 02:41:48.790 --> 02:41:50.490 Our next caller is Ian Cohen. 02:41:50.490 --> 02:41:51.340 You may go ahead. 02:41:54.510 --> 02:41:56.190 Can you hear me? 02:41:56.190 --> 02:41:58.420 Yes, we can please go ahead. 02:41:58.420 --> 02:41:59.253 All right. 02:41:59.253 --> 02:42:01.940 Good evening on Commission. 02:42:01.940 --> 02:42:04.528 I'm in high school reform Brentwood in county 02:42:04.528 --> 02:42:08.480 in the bay area, and I'm a passionate environmentalist. 02:42:08.480 --> 02:42:12.150 I have been working on an anti oil campaign successfully. 02:42:12.150 --> 02:42:15.900 I am fully against this measure because I personally 02:42:15.900 --> 02:42:19.170 have solar panels and I believe that and many attacks 02:42:19.170 --> 02:42:22.760 and solar panels will ruin the future of solar panels. 02:42:22.760 --> 02:42:23.917 It will not just her job, 02:42:23.917 --> 02:42:26.730 but it will hurt the Californian people. 02:42:26.730 --> 02:42:27.600 That's all I have to say. 02:42:27.600 --> 02:42:29.120 Thank you. 02:42:29.120 --> 02:42:30.290 Thank you very much. 02:42:30.290 --> 02:42:31.903 Operator next caller, please. 02:42:34.189 --> 02:42:36.380 And our next caller is Alexandra Massey. 02:42:36.380 --> 02:42:37.233 You may go ahead. 02:42:38.975 --> 02:42:39.808 [Alexandra Massey] Hello. 02:42:39.808 --> 02:42:41.530 My name is Alex Massey. 02:42:41.530 --> 02:42:44.110 I'm 18 years old from Ventura county and a member 02:42:44.110 --> 02:42:46.600 of California youth versus big oil. 02:42:46.600 --> 02:42:50.930 I strongly oppose the CPUC proposal to taxes rooftop solar 02:42:50.930 --> 02:42:54.520 because there should be no penalty of solar, of any kind. 02:42:54.520 --> 02:42:56.140 Look at what you're planning on doing. 02:42:56.140 --> 02:42:59.130 You're allowing polluting industries like PG&E 02:42:59.130 --> 02:43:01.860 to monopolize the energy and industry and allowing them 02:43:01.860 --> 02:43:03.710 to catalyze the climate crisis, 02:43:03.710 --> 02:43:07.100 which affects my future and my generation and frontline 02:43:07.100 --> 02:43:08.960 communities in California, 02:43:08.960 --> 02:43:12.040 California must move towards solar energy, not away from it 02:43:12.040 --> 02:43:14.240 and use rooftop solar to allow residents 02:43:14.240 --> 02:43:15.860 to get their own energy. 02:43:15.860 --> 02:43:18.770 CPUC you need to be on the right side of history, 02:43:18.770 --> 02:43:21.430 which is not the side of a fossil fuel industry 02:43:21.430 --> 02:43:24.070 that tries to penalize solar in California. 02:43:24.070 --> 02:43:25.550 You should also make these comments 02:43:25.550 --> 02:43:28.470 more accessible for people who want to express 02:43:28.470 --> 02:43:30.390 their opinions on these issues. 02:43:30.390 --> 02:43:31.223 Thank you. 02:43:32.280 --> 02:43:33.113 Thank you. 02:43:33.113 --> 02:43:34.693 Operator next caller, please. 02:43:39.430 --> 02:43:40.290 And President Reynold, 02:43:40.290 --> 02:43:43.033 we have no additional callers at this time. 02:43:45.170 --> 02:43:46.310 Thank you. 02:43:46.310 --> 02:43:49.320 I'll just ask if there's anyone else on the telephone 02:43:49.320 --> 02:43:51.320 who would like to make a public comment. 02:43:57.580 --> 02:43:59.210 And if anyone would like to make a comment, 02:43:59.210 --> 02:44:02.053 please unmute your phone and press star one. 02:44:07.510 --> 02:44:10.891 A caller from Robert Hunt. 02:44:10.891 --> 02:44:12.133 You may go ahead. 02:44:15.580 --> 02:44:17.960 Last meeting, I commented on why 02:44:17.960 --> 02:44:20.970 MSPD is flawed and listen to callers in favor today. 02:44:20.970 --> 02:44:22.750 You've heard the opposite from People all levels 02:44:22.750 --> 02:44:25.310 of the industry, current PD customers, 02:44:25.310 --> 02:44:27.770 but only a few who don't have rooftop solar. 02:44:27.770 --> 02:44:28.710 And if they were here today, 02:44:28.710 --> 02:44:30.744 they would be even more furious. 02:44:30.744 --> 02:44:33.450 Additionally, today you do not get the same packing point 02:44:33.450 --> 02:44:34.710 repeated over and over. 02:44:34.710 --> 02:44:37.560 You heard amazing real world examples and a wide 02:44:37.560 --> 02:44:39.640 variety of reasons to reject this PD. 02:44:39.640 --> 02:44:41.930 I understand that current program is causing disadvantage 02:44:41.930 --> 02:44:44.190 rate repairs about $13 a month. 02:44:44.190 --> 02:44:46.930 If that is true, increase the access fee to no participants, 02:44:46.930 --> 02:44:50.460 which is about $10 to whatever it takes to offset that cost, 02:44:50.460 --> 02:44:53.230 which I heard would be about $16 a month. 02:44:53.230 --> 02:44:56.149 This PD will not only kill rooftop solar in California. 02:44:56.149 --> 02:44:59.020 It will result in the utility companies being free provider 02:44:59.020 --> 02:45:02.280 of renewable energy with remote solar farms requiring 02:45:02.280 --> 02:45:04.740 more transmission minus increasing prior danger 02:45:04.740 --> 02:45:06.520 are reducing good reliability. 02:45:06.520 --> 02:45:08.340 We instead should be moving toward distributed 02:45:08.340 --> 02:45:10.410 energy production and begging you to come up 02:45:10.410 --> 02:45:13.400 with other ways to promote rooftop salt while not negatively 02:45:13.400 --> 02:45:15.260 impacting disadvantage communities. 02:45:15.260 --> 02:45:17.980 Another possibility could be a of the California climate 02:45:17.980 --> 02:45:20.610 credit, but only for disadvantaged communities. 02:45:20.610 --> 02:45:21.443 Thank you. 02:45:23.560 --> 02:45:24.393 Thank you. 02:45:26.160 --> 02:45:28.670 One more time checking to see if there's anyone else 02:45:28.670 --> 02:45:31.520 on the telephone who would like to make a public comment. 02:45:33.220 --> 02:45:35.730 Our next caller is Bill Conley. 02:45:35.730 --> 02:45:36.580 You may go ahead. 02:45:38.090 --> 02:45:38.923 Yes. 02:45:38.923 --> 02:45:40.880 Hi bill Conley here from Stockton, California. 02:45:40.880 --> 02:45:43.810 I'm an independent consultant with power energy. 02:45:43.810 --> 02:45:48.210 And I ask Commissioners that you reverse the decision 02:45:48.210 --> 02:45:53.210 of NEM 3.0 as it will devastate my personal business. 02:45:54.120 --> 02:45:57.363 And so many others in the solar industry in California, 02:45:58.490 --> 02:46:01.550 the distributed rooftop generation of solar 02:46:01.550 --> 02:46:04.780 is a very economically viable solution 02:46:04.780 --> 02:46:09.780 to achieve our net carbon neutrality goals. 02:46:09.880 --> 02:46:12.910 And I would just suggest Commissioners that you consider 02:46:12.910 --> 02:46:16.500 your legacy in this decision process. 02:46:16.500 --> 02:46:20.560 Do you wanna consider yourselves those who carried on 02:46:20.560 --> 02:46:24.950 the relatively good NEM policy that currently exists? 02:46:24.950 --> 02:46:27.800 Or would you like to be remembered as the ones 02:46:27.800 --> 02:46:30.840 who destroyed solar in California? 02:46:30.840 --> 02:46:31.840 Thank you very much. 02:46:34.160 --> 02:46:35.410 Thank you, operator. 02:46:35.410 --> 02:46:37.510 Do we have additional callers on the line? 02:46:38.730 --> 02:46:43.286 We do have several, Nicole Braynky is our next caller. 02:46:43.286 --> 02:46:44.119 Go ahead. 02:46:44.119 --> 02:46:45.286 You gonna go ahead. 02:46:45.286 --> 02:46:46.119 Thank you. 02:46:46.119 --> 02:46:48.450 My name's Nicole Braynky and I'd like to thank and echo 02:46:48.450 --> 02:46:51.090 everybody that's spoken out in opposition today. 02:46:51.090 --> 02:46:53.220 I've worked in the solar industry for over nine years. 02:46:53.220 --> 02:46:55.850 I've helped over 650 homeowners go solar 02:46:56.890 --> 02:46:58.760 for obvious reasons. 02:46:58.760 --> 02:47:01.460 Those families, they put their faith and their trust in me 02:47:01.460 --> 02:47:03.480 and now their solar savings and their 20 year 02:47:03.480 --> 02:47:05.850 grandfathering is in jeopardy. 02:47:05.850 --> 02:47:08.280 If this is approved, I don't see how I'm gonna be able 02:47:08.280 --> 02:47:10.040 to sleep at night thinking that I ultimately 02:47:10.040 --> 02:47:13.170 put all of those families in our terrible position. 02:47:13.170 --> 02:47:15.090 Let's not forget that California incentivized 02:47:15.090 --> 02:47:16.440 all these people to go solar. 02:47:16.440 --> 02:47:19.320 And it's incredibly unfair and unjust to change the terms 02:47:19.320 --> 02:47:20.960 of their existing net metering agreements 02:47:20.960 --> 02:47:22.440 that are already at play. 02:47:22.440 --> 02:47:24.700 The argument that low income families are suffering, 02:47:24.700 --> 02:47:26.011 increasing utility rates, 02:47:26.011 --> 02:47:27.660 that the hands of the solar industries simply 02:47:27.660 --> 02:47:29.050 doesn't hold up. 02:47:29.050 --> 02:47:31.290 We all know that California utility companies 02:47:31.290 --> 02:47:32.800 are not gonna to lower their rates 02:47:32.800 --> 02:47:34.770 even if this proposal is approved. 02:47:34.770 --> 02:47:36.420 So, this won't help anyone except 02:47:36.420 --> 02:47:38.870 the utility companies and their profit grabs. 02:47:38.870 --> 02:47:41.010 I urge you to go back to the drawing board, 02:47:41.010 --> 02:47:42.670 find a way to assist all homeowners, 02:47:42.670 --> 02:47:44.730 to obtain solar regardless of income level. 02:47:44.730 --> 02:47:47.020 So California can continue to chart its path toward 02:47:47.020 --> 02:47:49.520 a 100% renewable by 2045. 02:47:49.520 --> 02:47:50.995 Please reject this proposal. 02:47:50.995 --> 02:47:52.840 (alarm ringing) Thank you. 02:47:52.840 --> 02:47:54.600 Thank you, operator. 02:47:54.600 --> 02:47:55.763 Next caller, please. 02:47:57.590 --> 02:47:59.580 Our next caller is Dominic Driscoll. 02:47:59.580 --> 02:48:00.430 You may go ahead. 02:48:03.672 --> 02:48:04.970 [Dominic Driscoll] I think that's myself, 02:48:04.970 --> 02:48:09.970 Conrad Driscoll, Commissioners, Governor Newsom. 02:48:10.160 --> 02:48:12.580 I'm a small business owner of go solar pros 02:48:12.580 --> 02:48:14.083 in Modesto, California. 02:48:15.300 --> 02:48:18.400 Half of our employees are of Hispanic heritage. 02:48:18.400 --> 02:48:20.750 I've been in solar industry for 13 years 02:48:20.750 --> 02:48:25.750 and from my heart like hundreds of other commenters 02:48:26.490 --> 02:48:29.880 and only two or three that were supporting 02:48:29.880 --> 02:48:31.943 this ma'am I'm against it. 02:48:32.940 --> 02:48:36.920 I think that we need to relook at the whole package 02:48:36.920 --> 02:48:38.420 of what you're proposing. 02:48:38.420 --> 02:48:40.540 Understand this has been a long day. 02:48:40.540 --> 02:48:43.733 Appreciate your patience with all these comments, 02:48:44.630 --> 02:48:46.140 but like all of these commenters, 02:48:46.140 --> 02:48:48.460 I am a small business owner. 02:48:48.460 --> 02:48:52.660 We do not make millions or billions, is laughable to suggest 02:48:52.660 --> 02:48:54.343 that we do by these false ads. 02:48:55.180 --> 02:48:58.860 This proposed P' and the reduction of NEM credit is wrong. 02:48:58.860 --> 02:48:59.970 I will not only destroy... 02:48:59.970 --> 02:49:02.180 It will not only destroy the solar industry, 02:49:02.180 --> 02:49:05.650 but still severely reduce the positive direction 02:49:05.650 --> 02:49:07.353 on climate impact as you've heard. 02:49:08.470 --> 02:49:12.210 The similar awful decision in Nevada, 02:49:12.210 --> 02:49:13.583 very similar was reverse-- 02:49:13.583 --> 02:49:15.780 (alarm ringing) Thank you. 02:49:15.780 --> 02:49:16.613 Thank you. 02:49:17.520 --> 02:49:19.520 Thank you, operator next caller, please. 02:49:20.970 --> 02:49:22.680 Our next caller is Harry Walker. 02:49:22.680 --> 02:49:23.623 You may go ahead. 02:49:24.970 --> 02:49:26.760 I am a retired school teacher 02:49:26.760 --> 02:49:28.093 for (indistinct) California, 02:49:28.093 --> 02:49:30.590 and I urge you to reject NEM three 02:49:30.590 --> 02:49:34.000 and support rooftop solar Instead. 02:49:34.000 --> 02:49:37.780 I've been NEM two customer since 2019. 02:49:37.780 --> 02:49:40.130 I made sacrifices and went into debt 02:49:40.130 --> 02:49:42.510 because I thought it was important to put rooftop, 02:49:42.510 --> 02:49:44.730 solar and batteries on my house. 02:49:44.730 --> 02:49:48.940 I wanted to keep my PG&E bills affordable my pension 02:49:48.940 --> 02:49:52.670 and to support the grid during critical high demand Use. 02:49:52.670 --> 02:49:55.910 California now leads the US in protecting our 02:49:55.910 --> 02:49:58.630 environment and fighting climate change. 02:49:58.630 --> 02:50:01.950 To keep that lead rooftop solar should be cheaper, 02:50:01.950 --> 02:50:03.720 not more expensive. 02:50:03.720 --> 02:50:07.610 And Californians said every income level need access 02:50:07.610 --> 02:50:12.210 to solar powered homes, businesses and transportation. 02:50:12.210 --> 02:50:14.890 PG&E keeps raising rates. 02:50:14.890 --> 02:50:17.550 NEM three would let the corporation squeeze 02:50:17.550 --> 02:50:20.800 even more profit out of ordinary citizens. 02:50:20.800 --> 02:50:22.560 It's not fair. 02:50:22.560 --> 02:50:26.270 It's not as if we had a choice to go without lights or heat 02:50:26.270 --> 02:50:30.867 or the little guys please support us ordinary consumers. 02:50:31.830 --> 02:50:35.463 Thank you, operator, next caller, please. 02:50:38.621 --> 02:50:40.300 Our next caller is Bob Irwin. 02:50:40.300 --> 02:50:41.150 You may go ahead. 02:50:42.470 --> 02:50:43.760 Hi. My name is Bob Irwin. 02:50:43.760 --> 02:50:46.840 I represent solar unlimited for a veteran own company 02:50:46.840 --> 02:50:50.060 outta solar, out of Acadia, California, 02:50:50.060 --> 02:50:52.990 and represent my 15 employees or families. 02:50:52.990 --> 02:50:56.160 The over 12,000 customers we've served 02:50:56.160 --> 02:51:00.850 over the last 42 years and all the other workers 02:51:00.850 --> 02:51:02.310 who are affiliated with the solar industry, 02:51:02.310 --> 02:51:05.290 this would've a cascade effect on so many other businesses, 02:51:05.290 --> 02:51:08.100 other than solar, marketing, financing, 02:51:08.100 --> 02:51:10.060 distribution, supply roofers. 02:51:10.060 --> 02:51:12.850 There's just countless people whose whose jobs 02:51:12.850 --> 02:51:14.100 are really in your hands. 02:51:15.924 --> 02:51:17.870 It's been a long day and I appreciate your time. 02:51:17.870 --> 02:51:19.920 I know you're good people trying to reach a fair 02:51:19.920 --> 02:51:22.650 and equitable decision, but I want you to consider this, 02:51:22.650 --> 02:51:26.320 that this decision has far reaching ramifications. 02:51:26.320 --> 02:51:28.530 This is something maybe one of the largest or biggest 02:51:28.530 --> 02:51:30.120 decisions you make in your entire lifetime. 02:51:30.120 --> 02:51:34.260 So, please opposed this net metering three proposition. 02:51:34.260 --> 02:51:36.150 This is your legacy and you can be the hero 02:51:36.150 --> 02:51:37.890 or the villain in your own story. 02:51:37.890 --> 02:51:39.990 I ask you to please be the guiding light that sends 02:51:39.990 --> 02:51:42.320 solar on its way through California, 02:51:42.320 --> 02:51:44.270 the United States and the rest of the world. 02:51:44.270 --> 02:51:45.880 Thank you. 02:51:45.880 --> 02:51:47.140 Thank you. 02:51:47.140 --> 02:51:48.633 Operator, next caller please. 02:51:49.595 --> 02:51:53.033 Next caller is Dan Ebnar, you may go ahead. 02:51:54.966 --> 02:51:55.799 Yes. 02:51:55.799 --> 02:51:56.850 Hi, can you hear me? 02:51:56.850 --> 02:51:58.900 Yes, we can please go ahead. 02:51:58.900 --> 02:52:00.830 I appreciate everybody's comments. 02:52:00.830 --> 02:52:04.850 And I think that there's been enough said to the CPUC 02:52:04.850 --> 02:52:08.800 so far, my comment is directed towards Governor 02:52:08.800 --> 02:52:11.043 Gavin Newsom, and I hope you hear this. 02:52:11.990 --> 02:52:13.370 You aren't a nice buddy. 02:52:13.370 --> 02:52:14.830 The state is already tired of you. 02:52:14.830 --> 02:52:17.870 You barely skated by with this recall election. 02:52:17.870 --> 02:52:22.060 If you allow NEM 3.0 to go through, I promise you. 02:52:22.060 --> 02:52:24.210 You will not be reelected. 02:52:24.210 --> 02:52:26.630 Whether it's we will take to social media. 02:52:26.630 --> 02:52:28.100 We will take to the streets. 02:52:28.100 --> 02:52:31.310 You, your political career will end 02:52:31.310 --> 02:52:32.460 if you allow this to happen. 02:52:32.460 --> 02:52:35.600 And I will do everything in my power to help that happen. 02:52:35.600 --> 02:52:36.993 So do not allow this. 02:52:38.000 --> 02:52:39.493 Thank you. 02:52:39.493 --> 02:52:42.193 Thank you, operator next caller, please. 02:52:43.590 --> 02:52:45.400 Our next caller is Julie Mills. 02:52:45.400 --> 02:52:46.273 You may go ahead. 02:52:49.150 --> 02:52:50.730 Hi, this is Julie Mills. 02:52:50.730 --> 02:52:53.680 I oppose NEM three. 02:52:53.680 --> 02:52:56.390 I put solar and a battery in one and a half years ago 02:52:56.390 --> 02:52:59.510 on my house at a cost of $21,000. 02:52:59.510 --> 02:53:03.640 My electric bill prior to solar averaged about $40 a month. 02:53:03.640 --> 02:53:06.040 So I'll never get back the cost of installation 02:53:06.040 --> 02:53:08.880 and break even without out NEM three, 02:53:08.880 --> 02:53:12.642 we put it on for climate change to come back climate change. 02:53:12.642 --> 02:53:15.690 If NEM three goes through, 02:53:15.690 --> 02:53:18.690 I will pay significantly more for electricity with solar 02:53:18.690 --> 02:53:20.880 than I paid before I had it. 02:53:20.880 --> 02:53:22.280 The utilities say we need NEM three 02:53:22.280 --> 02:53:25.100 because low income people pay more 02:53:25.100 --> 02:53:26.890 to allow wealthy people to have solar. 02:53:26.890 --> 02:53:28.340 This isn't true. 02:53:28.340 --> 02:53:31.530 Home solar installation has saved money for everyone 02:53:31.530 --> 02:53:34.290 by reducing the need for more power plants. 02:53:34.290 --> 02:53:36.710 In addition, low income people are more impacted 02:53:36.710 --> 02:53:38.480 by climate change around the world. 02:53:38.480 --> 02:53:40.870 So, this will help everybody, 02:53:40.870 --> 02:53:42.970 including low income people. 02:53:42.970 --> 02:53:45.300 We need more solar to do everything we can 02:53:45.300 --> 02:53:47.170 to combat climate change. 02:53:47.170 --> 02:53:50.640 This proposal will make so solar prohibitively expensive 02:53:50.640 --> 02:53:54.540 for all, but the billionaire class and dramatically 02:53:54.540 --> 02:53:57.953 reduce new solar installation needs to save our planet. 02:53:57.953 --> 02:54:00.340 (alarm ringing) Thank you. 02:54:00.340 --> 02:54:03.523 Thank you, operator next caller, please. 02:54:06.700 --> 02:54:08.960 Our next caller is Esperanza Vielma. 02:54:08.960 --> 02:54:09.913 You may go ahead. 02:54:12.537 --> 02:54:13.370 [Esperanza Vielma] Hello. 02:54:13.370 --> 02:54:14.203 Good afternoon. 02:54:14.203 --> 02:54:16.580 My name is Esperanza Vielma and I am 02:54:16.580 --> 02:54:18.740 the Executive Director of the Environmental Justice 02:54:18.740 --> 02:54:22.070 Coalition for Water, and also the co-founder 02:54:22.070 --> 02:54:26.440 of the Statewide C triple E along with Green the Church. 02:54:26.440 --> 02:54:30.350 And I wanna state that the fact is that this CPUC's 02:54:30.350 --> 02:54:33.870 mission is to serve the public and not the IOUs. 02:54:33.870 --> 02:54:38.740 We therefore trust that you as public servants will serve 02:54:38.740 --> 02:54:43.740 the public interest with a revamped equitable NEM policy 02:54:44.170 --> 02:54:47.560 with input from our environmental justice communities, 02:54:47.560 --> 02:54:51.650 our small solar companies, and other interested parties. 02:54:51.650 --> 02:54:55.240 Please keep California a solar leader in sustainable 02:54:55.240 --> 02:54:59.910 green energy while equitably serving the public. 02:54:59.910 --> 02:55:02.460 And please do not be the Commission 02:55:02.460 --> 02:55:05.030 that has killed rooftop solar. 02:55:05.030 --> 02:55:07.830 And again, I wanna thank you for your time 02:55:07.830 --> 02:55:09.573 and commitment to this effort. 02:55:11.530 --> 02:55:12.370 Thank you. 02:55:12.370 --> 02:55:13.863 Operator, next caller please. 02:55:15.440 --> 02:55:17.290 Our next caller is Jeff Rogers. 02:55:17.290 --> 02:55:18.645 You may go ahead. 02:55:18.645 --> 02:55:20.120 Jeff. 02:55:20.120 --> 02:55:22.340 This is Jeff Rogers. 02:55:22.340 --> 02:55:25.100 I'm gonna comment on NEM three. 02:55:25.100 --> 02:55:27.040 The simple and fundamental question 02:55:27.040 --> 02:55:29.050 is in addition to being required, 02:55:29.050 --> 02:55:31.920 to support the generation of clean and removable 02:55:31.920 --> 02:55:34.950 solar energy as a matter of California government 02:55:34.950 --> 02:55:39.377 public policy, do you as the CPUC regulating California 02:55:39.377 --> 02:55:43.770 public utilities represent the people of California or not? 02:55:43.770 --> 02:55:46.050 As required by law, do you act 02:55:46.050 --> 02:55:47.950 in the people's interests or not? 02:55:47.950 --> 02:55:50.570 Moreover, do you really want to act in the interest 02:55:50.570 --> 02:55:54.670 of the criminal PG&E as a California judge 02:55:54.670 --> 02:55:59.340 recently commented PG&E has pled guilty to 84 manslaughter 02:55:59.340 --> 02:56:02.970 charges for its ignition of the 2018 camp fire 02:56:02.970 --> 02:56:07.670 in Butte county is facing five felony and 28 misdemeanor 02:56:07.670 --> 02:56:11.310 counts arising out of the 2019 Kincade fire, 02:56:11.310 --> 02:56:15.580 in Sonoma county is facing pending involuntary manslaughter 02:56:15.580 --> 02:56:19.760 charges arising out of the 2020 Zog fire in Shasta county 02:56:19.760 --> 02:56:23.462 and is facing a civil suit by five counties, 02:56:23.462 --> 02:56:26.891 arising out of the 2021 Dixie fire. 02:56:26.891 --> 02:56:29.380 (alarm ringing) All this love is on five year 02:56:29.380 --> 02:56:30.991 probation for earlier crimes. 02:56:30.991 --> 02:56:31.824 Thank you. 02:56:31.824 --> 02:56:33.086 Thank you. 02:56:33.086 --> 02:56:33.919 Thank you very much. 02:56:33.919 --> 02:56:35.053 Operator, next caller please. 02:56:37.540 --> 02:56:40.030 Next caller is Ellen Weir. 02:56:40.030 --> 02:56:40.880 You may go ahead. 02:56:41.860 --> 02:56:42.693 Good evening. 02:56:42.693 --> 02:56:43.526 My name is Ellen Weir. 02:56:43.526 --> 02:56:47.600 I'm a homeowner and rooftop solar owner in Sacramento. 02:56:47.600 --> 02:56:51.450 We installed our solar panels at a cost of about $18,000, 02:56:51.450 --> 02:56:54.060 and we were hoping to get that back over the course 02:56:54.060 --> 02:56:56.820 of the 20 year lifespan of the panels. 02:56:56.820 --> 02:56:59.520 We were incentivized to do so by our local utility 02:56:59.520 --> 02:57:02.280 SMUD and by federal tax credits, 02:57:02.280 --> 02:57:03.670 but it's still barely penciled out 02:57:03.670 --> 02:57:05.660 for us to install our panels. 02:57:05.660 --> 02:57:09.120 We cannot afford to install battery storage 02:57:09.120 --> 02:57:11.180 to offset our solar generation, 02:57:11.180 --> 02:57:14.150 and we don't think we should be the ones to pay for it. 02:57:14.150 --> 02:57:16.240 We don't think rates going up across the state 02:57:16.240 --> 02:57:18.560 are necessarily from us as solar users, 02:57:18.560 --> 02:57:20.650 and we urge you to reject this proposal. 02:57:20.650 --> 02:57:21.483 Thank you. 02:57:22.620 --> 02:57:25.063 Thank you, operator, next caller, please. 02:57:26.720 --> 02:57:28.620 Our next caller is Liny Water. 02:57:28.620 --> 02:57:29.470 You may go ahead. 02:57:30.670 --> 02:57:31.503 Hi. 02:57:31.503 --> 02:57:33.620 So I read through the 204 page document, 02:57:33.620 --> 02:57:36.060 and I was noticing there was a lot of inaccuracies, 02:57:36.060 --> 02:57:38.700 including the price of what it would cost 02:57:38.700 --> 02:57:40.460 per kilowat to install. 02:57:40.460 --> 02:57:42.070 I got 20 bids recently, 02:57:42.070 --> 02:57:45.500 and my lowest was $2 and 80c/kwt. 02:57:45.500 --> 02:57:50.220 And that is not what was mention in the document. 02:57:50.220 --> 02:57:53.570 I did sign a solar contract to get solar installed, 02:57:53.570 --> 02:57:56.790 but there's a delay in PG&E in order to get the... 02:57:56.790 --> 02:57:58.560 'cause I need my electrical panel upgraded 02:57:58.560 --> 02:57:59.890 to get that put in, 02:57:59.890 --> 02:58:02.320 and there's a 40 day period of time. 02:58:02.320 --> 02:58:05.600 So I end up having to cancel my solar contract 02:58:05.600 --> 02:58:08.150 because I couldn't get the drop done 02:58:08.150 --> 02:58:10.950 in time by PG&E and there's a three to six month 02:58:12.150 --> 02:58:14.120 backup in some of theirs. 02:58:14.120 --> 02:58:16.870 And then the good thing is you can pull out, 02:58:16.870 --> 02:58:19.020 you can opt out at any em, it sounds like, 02:58:19.020 --> 02:58:21.630 and it sounds like I would have to a purchase a battery 02:58:21.630 --> 02:58:24.920 backup and be off grid in order to even put solar in. 02:58:24.920 --> 02:58:27.480 At this point, there are hybrid inverters 02:58:27.480 --> 02:58:30.970 that are being developed right now in prep for this. 02:58:30.970 --> 02:58:32.963 But I don't think that's the intention, 02:58:34.422 --> 02:58:36.550 but I just wanted to put that in to re-look 02:58:36.550 --> 02:58:38.420 at those numbers 'cause if you look at the numbers 02:58:38.420 --> 02:58:39.772 on PG&E's website for installers-- 02:58:39.772 --> 02:58:42.032 (alarm ringing) Okay. 02:58:42.032 --> 02:58:42.865 Thank you. 02:58:42.865 --> 02:58:43.698 Thank you. 02:58:44.700 --> 02:58:46.313 Operator, next caller please. 02:58:48.360 --> 02:58:51.420 Our next caller is I'm sorry. 02:58:51.420 --> 02:58:53.683 Shaza Shere, you may go ahead. 02:58:55.040 --> 02:58:55.873 Yes. Hi. 02:58:55.873 --> 02:58:59.330 My name is Shaza Shere and I work at mosaic 02:58:59.330 --> 02:59:03.150 where we've empowered thousands of residents to go solar. 02:59:03.150 --> 02:59:06.640 This proposed NEM three would not only break 02:59:06.640 --> 02:59:10.350 the promise of beneficial paybacks to all previous residents 02:59:10.350 --> 02:59:13.880 who thought they are controlling their household costs 02:59:13.880 --> 02:59:16.670 by moving towards renewable and energy, 02:59:16.670 --> 02:59:20.200 but it will also stop solar in its track 02:59:20.200 --> 02:59:22.080 by flashing the economic benefits. 02:59:22.080 --> 02:59:25.200 It will kill any further adoption within our state. 02:59:25.200 --> 02:59:27.600 When I speak to friends who already have solar 02:59:27.600 --> 02:59:29.970 on their roof, I find that they're not aware 02:59:29.970 --> 02:59:31.540 of these proposed changes. 02:59:31.540 --> 02:59:34.380 I can bet once they see how their utility bill 02:59:34.380 --> 02:59:36.380 will be affected by these changes, 02:59:36.380 --> 02:59:39.160 there will be many angry residents in California. 02:59:39.160 --> 02:59:41.080 We aren't even hearing of today. 02:59:41.080 --> 02:59:43.780 We are just the first wave you are hearing 02:59:43.780 --> 02:59:45.560 from so many of us today. 02:59:45.560 --> 02:59:48.720 Not only because NEM three will shutdown our floor 02:59:48.720 --> 02:59:51.770 to the solar industry, putting all our jobs at risk, 02:59:51.770 --> 02:59:54.820 but more ethically to each of us. 02:59:54.820 --> 02:59:57.000 We will have broken our promise of savings 02:59:57.000 --> 02:59:59.430 to our homeowners-- (alarm ringing) 02:59:59.430 --> 03:00:00.830 Take this seriously. 03:00:00.830 --> 03:00:01.763 Thank you. 03:00:03.900 --> 03:00:05.423 Operator, next caller, please. 03:00:07.000 --> 03:00:08.910 Our next caller is Michael Peck. 03:00:08.910 --> 03:00:09.760 You may go ahead. 03:00:15.980 --> 03:00:17.660 Hi, apologize for delay. 03:00:17.660 --> 03:00:20.560 I'm calling in from Los Angeles where my wife and I 03:00:20.560 --> 03:00:24.370 bought a home after my mother-in-law passed away in 2017. 03:00:24.370 --> 03:00:26.510 And it's important to us then and now to make our home 03:00:26.510 --> 03:00:29.130 as environmentally sustainable as possible. 03:00:29.130 --> 03:00:30.410 When we installed solar panels, 03:00:30.410 --> 03:00:33.903 we chose to max out our available roof space with panels, 03:00:35.320 --> 03:00:37.630 even though we didn't need that much power 03:00:37.630 --> 03:00:39.670 today, I feed enough power back to the grid 03:00:39.670 --> 03:00:41.370 to power an additional home, 03:00:41.370 --> 03:00:43.780 but we're not paid for this excess production 03:00:43.780 --> 03:00:46.360 because Los Angeles water and power doesn't allow 03:00:46.360 --> 03:00:49.650 ratepayers to cash out their net metering credits. 03:00:49.650 --> 03:00:51.690 So, essentially what happens is LEDwP 03:00:51.690 --> 03:00:53.930 gets my excess power for free power. 03:00:53.930 --> 03:00:56.940 That's sustainable, well distributed throughout the grid, 03:00:56.940 --> 03:01:00.350 local to rate payers and resilient because we made 03:01:00.350 --> 03:01:02.420 the decision to install more panels than we need. 03:01:02.420 --> 03:01:05.000 And we were aware of that at the time. 03:01:05.000 --> 03:01:07.360 The California Public Utilities Commission would punish 03:01:07.360 --> 03:01:09.940 shoulder generators like me for maxing out my available 03:01:09.940 --> 03:01:13.670 roof space by charging me a fee based on installed capacity, 03:01:13.670 --> 03:01:15.990 which is just insanity for a state looking to promote 03:01:15.990 --> 03:01:17.830 a green energy transition. 03:01:17.830 --> 03:01:20.210 This is yet an another example of how the new net metering 03:01:20.210 --> 03:01:22.086 proposal is fundamentally flawed. 03:01:22.086 --> 03:01:23.890 My strong plan--- (alarm ringing) 03:01:23.890 --> 03:01:25.890 Thank you for your time. Thank you. 03:01:25.890 --> 03:01:26.723 Thank you. 03:01:26.723 --> 03:01:28.143 Operator, next caller please. 03:01:29.524 --> 03:01:31.350 Our next caller is Seth Pearson. 03:01:31.350 --> 03:01:32.200 You may go ahead. 03:01:37.200 --> 03:01:38.590 Sorry about that. 03:01:38.590 --> 03:01:40.440 My name is Seth Pearson. 03:01:40.440 --> 03:01:42.490 I live in San Louis Obispo, California. 03:01:42.490 --> 03:01:46.310 I work for a company called Wicks roofing and solar's. 03:01:46.310 --> 03:01:49.150 I've been in the solar industry since 2008 03:01:49.150 --> 03:01:51.580 and I've personally hunt helped hundreds 03:01:51.580 --> 03:01:54.793 if not thousands of people go solar in my career. 03:01:56.654 --> 03:01:59.280 I think I'm speaking on behalf of everybody in the solar 03:01:59.280 --> 03:02:01.390 industry, as well as residents in the California, 03:02:01.390 --> 03:02:05.480 that the mentor proposition would be absolutely horrible 03:02:05.480 --> 03:02:08.820 to everyday homeowners as well as people working 03:02:08.820 --> 03:02:11.520 within the industry such as myself, 03:02:11.520 --> 03:02:15.720 the combination of the fixed rate charge the solar fee 03:02:15.720 --> 03:02:19.180 and the reduction of the export rate drive down 03:02:19.180 --> 03:02:23.030 the return and the payback period goes way up. 03:02:23.030 --> 03:02:25.840 Also a as California being an industry leader 03:02:25.840 --> 03:02:28.390 in solar would be setting a precedent 03:02:28.390 --> 03:02:29.760 for every other state. 03:02:29.760 --> 03:02:30.670 They all watch us. 03:02:30.670 --> 03:02:32.550 Whatever happens here, the subject 03:02:32.550 --> 03:02:34.580 to happen elsewhere throughout the country. 03:02:34.580 --> 03:02:38.620 And I just think it's very shortsighted decision 03:02:38.620 --> 03:02:40.293 to weigh in behalf of the utilities. 03:02:40.293 --> 03:02:42.439 I think we need to think about the job losses 03:02:42.439 --> 03:02:43.272 (alarm ringing) 03:02:43.272 --> 03:02:45.361 and the other things that be impacted as a result. 03:02:45.361 --> 03:02:47.402 Thank you 03:02:47.402 --> 03:02:48.235 Thank you for your time. 03:02:48.235 --> 03:02:49.950 Thank you for your comments. 03:02:49.950 --> 03:02:51.483 Operator, next caller please. 03:02:53.453 --> 03:02:55.360 And our next caller is Jane Pearson. 03:02:55.360 --> 03:02:56.283 You may go ahead. 03:02:57.370 --> 03:02:58.990 Hi, my name is James Pearson. 03:02:58.990 --> 03:03:01.200 I'm retired and I live in Gilroy. 03:03:01.200 --> 03:03:03.220 I got bumped out the first time 03:03:03.220 --> 03:03:05.720 'cause of my fungul finger on the phone, 03:03:05.720 --> 03:03:09.130 but I've had rooftop solar for 10 years. 03:03:09.130 --> 03:03:11.030 It reduced my electric bill. 03:03:11.030 --> 03:03:12.520 So I'd say at this point, 03:03:12.520 --> 03:03:14.530 even with the continual rate increases, 03:03:14.530 --> 03:03:18.520 my initial investment in solar should soon break even. 03:03:18.520 --> 03:03:20.800 That's only part of the reason I got solar. 03:03:20.800 --> 03:03:22.260 Climate change is real. 03:03:22.260 --> 03:03:23.727 The destruction of our wild spaces 03:03:23.727 --> 03:03:25.830 and the natural world is real 03:03:25.830 --> 03:03:27.990 action and not words is needed. 03:03:27.990 --> 03:03:30.530 This proposal by the Commission is a step back. 03:03:30.530 --> 03:03:34.220 Not a step forward, no solar tax, none, 03:03:34.220 --> 03:03:35.520 any changes in net meetings 03:03:35.520 --> 03:03:36.610 should be to make it more 03:03:36.610 --> 03:03:38.290 affordable not less. 03:03:38.290 --> 03:03:42.170 Keep the promise for 20 years of no changes to those rates. 03:03:42.170 --> 03:03:45.380 We've got millions of rooftops that could utilize solar. 03:03:45.380 --> 03:03:47.330 There's no need to increase our footprint 03:03:47.330 --> 03:03:49.830 on the desert wild spaces or to take up 03:03:49.830 --> 03:03:52.130 thousands more acres with long distance side 03:03:52.130 --> 03:03:55.460 transmission lines and electric car needs 03:03:55.460 --> 03:03:58.020 a solar roof and a solar home. 03:03:58.020 --> 03:03:58.853 Thank you. 03:03:58.853 --> 03:04:01.490 And thank you for all your time and patience today. 03:04:01.490 --> 03:04:02.787 This has been a long day. 03:04:04.910 --> 03:04:06.100 Thank you very much. 03:04:06.100 --> 03:04:07.673 Operator, next caller please. 03:04:09.990 --> 03:04:11.420 We have no more callers on the public 03:04:11.420 --> 03:04:12.793 telephone line at the time. 03:04:14.890 --> 03:04:15.723 Thank you. 03:04:15.723 --> 03:04:17.710 Can we take a minute to check, to make sure 03:04:18.810 --> 03:04:20.670 to see if there's anyone else on the telephone 03:04:20.670 --> 03:04:22.320 who would like to make a comment? 03:04:28.060 --> 03:04:28.893 Yes. 03:04:28.893 --> 03:04:30.577 To make a comment that would be star one. 03:04:59.520 --> 03:05:01.700 My next caller is Miss Avila. 03:05:01.700 --> 03:05:02.550 You may go ahead. 03:05:03.920 --> 03:05:04.753 Hi. 03:05:04.753 --> 03:05:06.100 My name is Rosario Avila. 03:05:06.100 --> 03:05:07.403 I live in Southern California 03:05:07.403 --> 03:05:09.350 and I just have two quotes 03:05:09.350 --> 03:05:11.217 I wanted to say today, 03:05:11.217 --> 03:05:13.160 but this first quote is from somebody 03:05:13.160 --> 03:05:17.550 in Canada who also faces the same issue in Canada. 03:05:17.550 --> 03:05:20.190 He says paying people to generate at equal 03:05:20.190 --> 03:05:22.450 or higher rates than utility. 03:05:22.450 --> 03:05:24.080 And I do get it. 03:05:24.080 --> 03:05:26.330 I paid and have solar rooftops, 03:05:26.330 --> 03:05:28.720 literally subsidizes the wealthier members 03:05:28.720 --> 03:05:31.910 of our society to the detriment of the poor. 03:05:31.910 --> 03:05:33.880 The left is upside down on this issue 03:05:33.880 --> 03:05:35.340 and needs to get it straight. 03:05:35.340 --> 03:05:38.620 These Robert Barons are stealing from the commons. 03:05:38.620 --> 03:05:41.680 The commons is reliable grid electricity. 03:05:41.680 --> 03:05:43.330 Another one is from the book, 03:05:43.330 --> 03:05:46.640 shorting the grid by Meredith Angwin 03:05:46.640 --> 03:05:48.090 the catch in general, 03:05:48.090 --> 03:05:50.320 the utility must pay for the retail price 03:05:50.320 --> 03:05:52.870 for the net meter power it purchases. 03:05:52.870 --> 03:05:54.940 And yet if net metering were allowed 03:05:54.940 --> 03:05:56.890 for everyone without a cap, 03:05:56.890 --> 03:05:59.670 we would have a tragedy of the commons. 03:05:59.670 --> 03:06:02.210 Prices would rise for everyone. 03:06:02.210 --> 03:06:05.360 And I just wanna say to the CPUC, thank you. 03:06:05.360 --> 03:06:07.540 This is a very difficult issue, 03:06:07.540 --> 03:06:08.830 but at the end of the day, 03:06:08.830 --> 03:06:11.001 we are talking about the commons, 03:06:11.001 --> 03:06:11.834 (alarm ringing) 03:06:11.834 --> 03:06:12.680 which we all share. 03:06:12.680 --> 03:06:15.070 Thank you very much for your time. 03:06:15.070 --> 03:06:15.903 Thank you. 03:06:16.960 --> 03:06:18.727 Operator, next caller please. 03:06:19.990 --> 03:06:21.380 And we have no additional callers 03:06:21.380 --> 03:06:24.640 on the public comment telephone line at this time. 03:06:24.640 --> 03:06:25.473 All right. 03:06:25.473 --> 03:06:26.700 Well, I know folks waited a long time, 03:06:26.700 --> 03:06:28.100 so I'm gonna check one more time 03:06:28.100 --> 03:06:30.540 press star one if you are on the line 03:06:30.540 --> 03:06:32.190 and would like to make a comment. 03:06:41.320 --> 03:06:42.970 Operator, do we have anyone else? 03:06:44.220 --> 03:06:46.470 We have no additional callers at this time. 03:06:47.420 --> 03:06:49.680 Okay. With no more callers on the line. 03:06:49.680 --> 03:06:52.460 The public comment period is now closed. 03:06:52.460 --> 03:06:54.760 I did wanna take a moment to acknowledge 03:06:54.760 --> 03:06:57.830 members of the public who are very patient today. 03:06:57.830 --> 03:07:00.080 Waited on the line for many people, 03:07:00.080 --> 03:07:02.290 waited for more than seven hours. 03:07:02.290 --> 03:07:04.410 Thank you for your patience. 03:07:04.410 --> 03:07:06.790 We really appreciate your participation 03:07:06.790 --> 03:07:08.723 in the Commission's public process. 03:07:10.370 --> 03:07:13.433 With that, I will now turn to the public agenda. 03:07:14.510 --> 03:07:18.653 And we'll start with the changes to today's agenda. 03:07:19.860 --> 03:07:24.090 Item number two, three, and 15 03:07:24.090 --> 03:07:27.713 will be held to February 10th, 2022. 03:07:28.570 --> 03:07:32.833 Item number 19 will be taken up with the Consent Agenda. 03:07:33.960 --> 03:07:36.710 We will now take up the consent item. 03:07:36.710 --> 03:07:37.663 Is there a motion? 03:07:39.340 --> 03:07:40.173 So moved. 03:07:41.332 --> 03:07:43.520 Commissioner Rechtschaffen has made a motion. 03:07:43.520 --> 03:07:44.553 Do we have a second. 03:07:45.620 --> 03:07:47.007 Second. 03:07:47.007 --> 03:07:48.863 Second by Commissioner Houck. 03:07:50.490 --> 03:07:51.420 Agenda clerk. 03:07:51.420 --> 03:07:53.053 Could you please call the role. 03:07:54.290 --> 03:07:55.340 Commissioner Houck? 03:07:56.280 --> 03:07:57.113 Yes. 03:07:58.040 --> 03:07:59.190 Commissioner Shiroma? 03:08:00.260 --> 03:08:01.093 Aye. 03:08:02.100 --> 03:08:03.773 Commissioner Rechtschaffen? 03:08:03.773 --> 03:08:04.606 Yes. Yes. 03:08:05.980 --> 03:08:07.880 President Reynolds? 03:08:07.880 --> 03:08:08.913 [President Reynolds] Yes. 03:08:10.130 --> 03:08:14.560 The, Consent Agenda items have passed unanimously. 03:08:14.560 --> 03:08:16.393 We'll now take up the regular items, 03:08:19.550 --> 03:08:21.830 starting with item number 16, 03:08:21.830 --> 03:08:25.410 order extending line for reviewing PG&E's request 03:08:25.410 --> 03:08:27.060 to recover gas transmission 03:08:27.060 --> 03:08:29.133 and storage capital expenditures. 03:08:30.030 --> 03:08:31.793 I will present the first item. 03:08:32.760 --> 03:08:35.230 This order extending statutory deadline 03:08:35.230 --> 03:08:37.100 is for the proceeding considering 03:08:37.100 --> 03:08:39.730 PG&E request to recover gas transmission 03:08:39.730 --> 03:08:41.810 and storage capital expenditures 03:08:41.810 --> 03:08:45.080 that we're audited by our safety and enforcement division. 03:08:45.080 --> 03:08:48.987 Pursuant to decision 16-06-056. 03:08:51.380 --> 03:08:53.830 This order would extend the statutory deadline 03:08:53.830 --> 03:08:57.040 of this proceeding to July 30th, 2022. 03:08:57.040 --> 03:08:58.890 This extension will allow time 03:08:58.890 --> 03:09:00.360 for the Administrative Law Judge 03:09:00.360 --> 03:09:01.860 and the new assigned Commissioner 03:09:01.860 --> 03:09:04.010 currently myself to consider 03:09:04.010 --> 03:09:05.870 the proposed settlement that was submitted 03:09:05.870 --> 03:09:08.800 as well as the full extent of the record. 03:09:08.800 --> 03:09:10.223 I request your support. 03:09:11.830 --> 03:09:14.230 Go to questions from the Commission 03:09:17.460 --> 03:09:19.270 Hearing none, I'll ask whether 03:09:19.270 --> 03:09:21.323 there is a motion on item 16. 03:09:24.050 --> 03:09:27.583 I'll make move item 16. 03:09:28.890 --> 03:09:30.870 Motion by Commissioner Shiroma. 03:09:30.870 --> 03:09:31.870 Do we have a second? 03:09:33.642 --> 03:09:34.475 Second. 03:09:35.720 --> 03:09:37.740 Second from Commissioner Rechtschaffen 03:09:37.740 --> 03:09:40.740 with a motion and a second for item 16, 03:09:40.740 --> 03:09:42.683 agenda clerk, please call the roll. 03:09:44.700 --> 03:09:46.520 Commissioner Houck? 03:09:46.520 --> 03:09:48.130 Yes. 03:09:48.130 --> 03:09:49.280 Commissioner Shiroma? 03:09:50.202 --> 03:09:51.035 Aye. 03:09:52.140 --> 03:09:53.870 Commissioner Rechtschaffen? 03:09:53.870 --> 03:09:54.703 Yes. 03:09:56.280 --> 03:09:57.330 President Reynolds? 03:09:58.280 --> 03:09:59.113 Yes. 03:10:02.110 --> 03:10:03.963 The motion passes four zero. 03:10:05.620 --> 03:10:10.620 The next item on the regular agenda is item number 17, 03:10:10.670 --> 03:10:13.420 order extending statutory deadline, 03:10:13.420 --> 03:10:16.650 Fred Shahadi individually and as a trusty 03:10:16.650 --> 03:10:19.050 for the Fred Shahadi revocable living trust 03:10:19.050 --> 03:10:20.773 versus San Jose water company. 03:10:21.690 --> 03:10:23.990 Commissioner Houck, would you like to present? 03:10:25.100 --> 03:10:27.250 Thank you, president Reynolds, 03:10:27.250 --> 03:10:32.250 item 18 is a complaint case CC1904005 03:10:32.340 --> 03:10:35.470 Mr. Fred Shahadi versus San Jose water company. 03:10:35.470 --> 03:10:37.507 And on March 8th, 2021, 03:10:37.507 --> 03:10:40.340 the case was reassigned to my office 03:10:40.340 --> 03:10:43.310 on August 5th, 2021 the presiding officer's 03:10:43.310 --> 03:10:45.870 proposed decision or pod was served 03:10:45.870 --> 03:10:47.880 on the parties and the complainant 03:10:47.880 --> 03:10:49.390 filed an appeal of the pod 03:10:49.390 --> 03:10:53.587 on September 7th, 2021 on September 22nd, 2021 03:10:54.780 --> 03:10:57.740 San Jose water company filed its response. 03:10:57.740 --> 03:10:59.660 The complainant's appeal will be addressed 03:10:59.660 --> 03:11:03.100 in the very near future and this request, 03:11:03.100 --> 03:11:06.640 statutory deadline to March 31st, 2022 03:11:06.640 --> 03:11:08.090 to resolve the matter. 03:11:08.090 --> 03:11:10.533 And I ask for your support on this extension. 03:11:12.480 --> 03:11:13.313 Thank you. 03:11:13.313 --> 03:11:15.450 Do we have any comments or questions 03:11:15.450 --> 03:11:17.783 from Commissioners on item 17? 03:11:21.100 --> 03:11:23.023 Hearing none, I'll ask for motion. 03:11:25.110 --> 03:11:25.943 I'll move. 03:11:27.000 --> 03:11:27.833 Second. 03:11:27.833 --> 03:11:28.666 Motion from Commissioner Shiroma 03:11:28.666 --> 03:11:32.030 second from Commissioner Rechtschaffen 03:11:32.030 --> 03:11:34.053 agenda clerk, please call the role. 03:11:35.390 --> 03:11:36.440 Commissioner Houck? 03:11:37.323 --> 03:11:38.156 Yes. 03:11:39.068 --> 03:11:41.057 Commissioner shiroma? 03:11:41.057 --> 03:11:41.890 Aye. 03:11:42.727 --> 03:11:44.649 Commissioner Rechtschaffen? 03:11:44.649 --> 03:11:45.482 Yes. 03:11:46.530 --> 03:11:48.370 President Reynolds? 03:11:48.370 --> 03:11:49.890 Yes. 03:11:49.890 --> 03:11:51.690 The motion passes four zero 03:11:52.930 --> 03:11:55.210 turning next to regular agenda 03:11:55.210 --> 03:11:59.580 item number 18 order extending statutory deadline, 03:11:59.580 --> 03:12:04.170 utility telecom group, LLC versus bandwidth.com. 03:12:04.170 --> 03:12:09.170 CECLECLEC, Commissioner Rechtschaffen, 03:12:09.200 --> 03:12:11.240 Would you like to present? 03:12:11.240 --> 03:12:13.530 Thank you, president Reynolds, excuse me. 03:12:13.530 --> 03:12:16.120 Item 18 concerns a dispute. 03:12:16.120 --> 03:12:19.160 As you mentioned, between utility telecom group 03:12:19.160 --> 03:12:24.160 and bandwidth.com and it regards the porting of customers. 03:12:25.610 --> 03:12:28.330 Telephone numbers term porting 03:12:28.330 --> 03:12:31.360 refers to the process of transferring a phone number 03:12:31.360 --> 03:12:34.870 from one communications company to another 03:12:34.870 --> 03:12:38.390 when a customer changes providers. 03:12:38.390 --> 03:12:41.440 Utility telecom group is in mediation 03:12:41.440 --> 03:12:43.960 in a federal case that concerns 03:12:43.960 --> 03:12:47.520 the numbers that are at issue in this complaint, 03:12:47.520 --> 03:12:49.460 the parties is requested a continuance 03:12:49.460 --> 03:12:51.580 for the proceeding to allow time 03:12:51.580 --> 03:12:55.030 for the resolution of that federal litigation. 03:12:55.030 --> 03:12:57.540 The Administrative Law Judge granted a continuance 03:12:57.540 --> 03:13:01.190 and is receiving status updates from the parties. 03:13:01.190 --> 03:13:04.120 This order would extend the proceeding deadline 03:13:04.120 --> 03:13:07.777 to October 4th, 2022, to allow the parties 03:13:07.777 --> 03:13:10.520 the time needed for the mediation 03:13:10.520 --> 03:13:12.550 to continue and be resolved. 03:13:12.550 --> 03:13:14.163 I asked for your support. 03:13:15.640 --> 03:13:17.310 Thank you Commissioner Rechtschaffen, 03:13:17.310 --> 03:13:19.733 any comments or questions from Commissioners. 03:13:21.540 --> 03:13:24.723 Being none, is there a motion on item 18? 03:13:25.980 --> 03:13:27.610 I move. 03:13:27.610 --> 03:13:29.780 Motion by Commissioner Houck 03:13:29.780 --> 03:13:31.483 seconded by Commissioner Shiroma. 03:13:32.930 --> 03:13:35.310 We have a motion and a second on item 18 03:13:35.310 --> 03:13:37.530 agenda clerk, please call the role. 03:13:38.790 --> 03:13:40.570 Commissioner Houck? 03:13:40.570 --> 03:13:41.403 Yes. 03:13:42.470 --> 03:13:44.373 Commissioner Shiroma? 03:13:44.373 --> 03:13:45.206 Aye. 03:13:46.243 --> 03:13:48.200 Commissioner Rechtschaffen? 03:13:48.200 --> 03:13:49.033 Yes. 03:13:50.500 --> 03:13:51.550 President Reynolds? 03:13:52.500 --> 03:13:53.670 Yes. 03:13:53.670 --> 03:13:55.423 The motion passes four zero. 03:13:56.690 --> 03:14:00.210 Turning now to management reports, 03:14:00.210 --> 03:14:02.950 item 20 management report and discussion 03:14:02.950 --> 03:14:06.100 on recent consumer protection and safety activities. 03:14:06.100 --> 03:14:07.960 We are postponing the presentation 03:14:07.960 --> 03:14:10.123 scheduled for today to a later date. 03:14:11.700 --> 03:14:14.260 And we have no report on item 21 03:14:14.260 --> 03:14:16.050 management report and discussion 03:14:16.050 --> 03:14:17.693 on administrative activities. 03:14:19.420 --> 03:14:22.963 The next item on the agenda is the Commissioner reports. 03:14:24.130 --> 03:14:25.480 Who would like to go first? 03:14:28.870 --> 03:14:29.930 Commissioner Shiroma. 03:14:29.930 --> 03:14:30.763 Thank you. 03:14:31.720 --> 03:14:32.553 Yes, thank you. 03:14:32.553 --> 03:14:33.560 I know the hours late. 03:14:33.560 --> 03:14:36.930 I'll be brief, President Reynold. 03:14:36.930 --> 03:14:41.720 You announced the February black history month. 03:14:41.720 --> 03:14:44.540 And so February 1st is June new year 03:14:45.600 --> 03:14:49.910 and I wanted to share that the CPUC's 03:14:49.910 --> 03:14:52.920 African American coalition for unemployment and equity 03:14:53.930 --> 03:14:57.880 is launching the black history month theme 03:14:57.880 --> 03:15:00.780 of the past present and future representation 03:15:00.780 --> 03:15:03.210 I could see in diversity matters 03:15:03.210 --> 03:15:07.960 with a noontime discussion on February 1st, 03:15:07.960 --> 03:15:09.920 featuring Paul Henderson, 03:15:09.920 --> 03:15:10.753 director of the San Francisco 03:15:10.753 --> 03:15:13.470 department of police accountability. 03:15:13.470 --> 03:15:14.970 You'll be giving opening remarks 03:15:14.970 --> 03:15:18.853 and I'm pleased to be in seeing that kickoff event. 03:15:19.850 --> 03:15:22.280 The African American coalition 03:15:22.280 --> 03:15:25.850 is putting together a full month of activities 03:15:25.850 --> 03:15:29.930 events to celebrate the month and staff 03:15:29.930 --> 03:15:33.790 should keep an eye out for further announcements by email. 03:15:33.790 --> 03:15:36.200 I want to thank the planning committee members. 03:15:36.200 --> 03:15:40.390 Savan Martin, Bridget ON, Nicole Proper, 03:15:40.390 --> 03:15:42.840 Andrew Johnson, Lynn Moley, 03:15:42.840 --> 03:15:46.640 Ramon MoMA, Jamira Godley and Luan Testfy 03:15:47.530 --> 03:15:50.730 employees interested in joining AAC 03:15:50.730 --> 03:15:54.730 can email Ramon Moma and speaking 03:15:54.730 --> 03:15:59.730 of lunar new year, there is a new resource group 03:16:00.520 --> 03:16:03.350 called Hawaiian Asian Pacific Islander 03:16:03.350 --> 03:16:05.610 employee resource group or HAPI. 03:16:06.730 --> 03:16:10.380 And anyone interested in new more about HAPI 03:16:10.380 --> 03:16:12.980 can email assistant chief administrative law, 03:16:12.980 --> 03:16:15.240 judge passing McDonald, 03:16:15.240 --> 03:16:19.320 more information you need to be celebrating 03:16:19.320 --> 03:16:21.490 on February 1st as well. 03:16:21.490 --> 03:16:24.460 And then finally on next week, 03:16:24.460 --> 03:16:26.710 Thursday on February 3rd, 03:16:26.710 --> 03:16:28.270 I have a pleasure of speaking 03:16:28.270 --> 03:16:30.375 at the next pucks Toastmasters. 03:16:30.375 --> 03:16:35.375 Virtual open health pucks is a CPUC Toastmaster chapter, 03:16:37.320 --> 03:16:40.660 which has been in existence since 1972 03:16:40.660 --> 03:16:43.310 and has achieved the president's 03:16:43.310 --> 03:16:46.620 distinguished status for the last three years 03:16:46.620 --> 03:16:48.133 at the virtual open health. 03:16:48.133 --> 03:16:50.000 I share health public speaking 03:16:50.000 --> 03:16:52.440 has helped advance my career 03:16:52.440 --> 03:16:56.300 and I will share how I prepare for a public speech. 03:16:56.300 --> 03:16:59.030 And I'll take questions from attendees, 03:16:59.030 --> 03:17:01.050 anyone interested in improving 03:17:01.050 --> 03:17:02.180 their public speaking skills 03:17:02.180 --> 03:17:05.010 should check out the pucks and meanwhile, 03:17:05.010 --> 03:17:08.963 we can register for the February 3rd event @houck.org. 03:17:10.640 --> 03:17:11.473 Thank you. 03:17:14.250 --> 03:17:16.440 Thank you, Commissioner Shiroma. 03:17:16.440 --> 03:17:17.660 Commissioner Houck, Would you like 03:17:17.660 --> 03:17:19.160 to make a Commissioner report? 03:17:20.450 --> 03:17:21.670 I have no report today. 03:17:21.670 --> 03:17:23.170 Thank you, president Reynolds. 03:17:24.100 --> 03:17:26.100 Thank you, Commissioner Rechtschaffen? 03:17:27.480 --> 03:17:28.580 I have no report. 03:17:28.580 --> 03:17:29.413 Thank you. 03:17:30.370 --> 03:17:31.960 Thank you. 03:17:31.960 --> 03:17:34.510 I do have a brief report. 03:17:34.510 --> 03:17:36.710 I will keep it brief. 03:17:36.710 --> 03:17:40.540 Given the late hour, just two items to report on. 03:17:40.540 --> 03:17:42.610 I wanted to report that last week I attended 03:17:42.610 --> 03:17:46.520 the monthly middle mile advisory committee meeting. 03:17:46.520 --> 03:17:49.630 The committee plays an important oversight role as a state 03:17:49.630 --> 03:17:52.850 builds out the historic statewide open access middle mile 03:17:52.850 --> 03:17:57.310 broadband network created by SB156. 03:17:57.310 --> 03:17:58.930 At the meeting the committee received 03:17:58.930 --> 03:18:01.010 updates on the development of the initial 03:18:01.010 --> 03:18:04.040 middle mile projects announced in November. 03:18:04.040 --> 03:18:06.160 Caltrans reported that the state network 03:18:06.160 --> 03:18:08.550 can potentially leverage 700 miles 03:18:08.550 --> 03:18:10.730 of existing highway projects 03:18:10.730 --> 03:18:13.166 and our own communications director 03:18:13.166 --> 03:18:17.350 Rob Osborn presented on the impressive mapping 03:18:17.350 --> 03:18:20.440 that has been accomplished by our staff 03:18:20.440 --> 03:18:23.513 since the legislation was enacted in July. 03:18:25.140 --> 03:18:27.650 I also wanted to note that the resource 03:18:27.650 --> 03:18:30.930 adequacy reform workshops have concluded. 03:18:30.930 --> 03:18:33.710 There were a total of nine workshops that were held 03:18:33.710 --> 03:18:37.200 over the last five months under the leadership 03:18:37.200 --> 03:18:39.040 of former President Batjer together 03:18:39.040 --> 03:18:41.270 with the energy division team whose members 03:18:41.270 --> 03:18:44.940 have worked thoughtfully tirelessly on this effort, 03:18:44.940 --> 03:18:47.320 the workshop co-leads are now working 03:18:47.320 --> 03:18:48.930 to develop the workshop report 03:18:48.930 --> 03:18:51.893 that will be filed on February 28th. 03:18:53.480 --> 03:18:55.110 That concludes my report 03:18:55.110 --> 03:18:57.433 and that concludes the Commissioner report. 03:18:58.330 --> 03:19:00.340 The public meeting is now adjourned 03:19:00.340 --> 03:19:02.690 and the Commission will go into closed session.