WEBVTT 00:00:07.639 --> 00:00:09.529 Okay, it's not a happy one here. 00:00:28.140 --> 00:00:33.369 You're so welcome. Welcome everybody. Yeah. Um we'd 00:00:33.369 --> 00:00:36.659 like to go ahead and start out with the introductions 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:44.399 Yes, I'll turn it over to Mark who will probably be introducing Oncor so we can hear 00:00:44.399 --> 00:00:47.490 about the winter load management program and then we 00:00:47.490 --> 00:00:50.710 will move on to the updates by the utilities on what 00:00:50.710 --> 00:00:52.159 to expect next year regarding. 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:57.750 Oh yeah. So to start off with, let's do introductions 00:00:57.750 --> 00:01:02.179 in the room. Um, we'll start over. How about we start 00:01:02.179 --> 00:01:05.620 with SPS and then we'll go to the room and then I'll 00:01:05.620 --> 00:01:10.400 call for people on the but Allison, you can start Allison 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:14.670 McIntyre with SPS Hi jeremy, Lovelady with regulatory 00:01:14.670 --> 00:01:18.799 SPS. Derek Newman Frontier Energy. Mark Delavan entergy 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:23.579 texas amy martin frontier Don johnson or electro terry 00:01:23.579 --> 00:01:27.629 kessinger. I cf never wear of the results. No. 00:01:30.140 --> 00:01:34.370 How about we start back over here, jean Perez. Encore 00:01:35.239 --> 00:01:40.379 Gary jones on court, Russell, Bigelow ap texas, Danny 00:01:40.379 --> 00:01:44.530 Trevino. Ap texas pam. Osterloh, ap texas, robert, 00:01:44.530 --> 00:01:52.379 Cavazos texas. El paso electric still choice choice 00:01:54.540 --> 00:01:59.269 brian. What's in SPS? Deborah miller swept coat morgen 00:01:59.269 --> 00:02:04.310 Nielsen. Just Mexico power Stephanie case. TMP rashawn 00:02:04.310 --> 00:02:07.750 johnson sent appointed Cheryl Richardson Centerpoint 00:02:07.750 --> 00:02:12.349 energy and a basket around. Senior columns and arches 00:02:14.439 --> 00:02:17.620 And how about we start in the back and do that. Things 00:02:17.620 --> 00:02:18.550 are going Yes, 00:02:20.139 --> 00:02:23.460 actually. Myers, Black energy beast, Sadie Brown Energy 00:02:24.340 --> 00:02:26.409 Alison Silverstein. Independent consultants 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:29.509 one more time. 00:02:31.139 --> 00:02:32.169 Um, Cyrus rewards. 00:02:33.870 --> 00:02:37.060 I need to program, etcetera and I'll let Mark introduce 00:02:37.060 --> 00:02:41.830 herself in a minute. So let's go online. So if you 00:02:41.830 --> 00:02:45.270 would introduce yourself by company, just one person 00:02:45.270 --> 00:02:48.460 per company let's Start with the electric utilities 00:03:03.840 --> 00:03:08.259 Hi to introduce yourself. Can you please a mute and 00:03:08.270 --> 00:03:11.419 introduce yourself and then mute back so that we can 00:03:11.419 --> 00:03:12.449 control feedback. 00:03:21.139 --> 00:03:21.560 Mm hmm. 00:03:24.129 --> 00:03:27.830 Clock. Hi, who is this? 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:34.400 I'm sorry, I have like a definition. So this is Mohammed 00:03:34.650 --> 00:03:40.289 from Walden energy station. Great. Welcome. Yeah 00:03:40.300 --> 00:03:40.750 thank you. 00:03:43.509 --> 00:03:47.020 Good morning. This is Yolanda played from Centerpoint 00:03:47.020 --> 00:03:47.580 Energy, 00:03:49.340 --> 00:03:50.009 are you gonna? 00:03:54.240 --> 00:03:56.740 Good morning. This is mary carmen Soto what? Centerpoint 00:03:56.740 --> 00:03:58.879 Energy? Good morning. 00:04:02.340 --> 00:04:02.550 Mhm 00:04:04.210 --> 00:04:06.289 Commander Harlan with Centerpoint Energy. 00:04:10.340 --> 00:04:13.780 Good morning. Alright, this is Darrell nelson with 00:04:13.780 --> 00:04:14.449 Encore. 00:04:18.540 --> 00:04:19.350 Great, thank you. 00:04:27.110 --> 00:04:30.560 Okay, great, well, let's move to the implementer tres 00:04:30.569 --> 00:04:33.819 and energy efficiency service providers. Please introduce 00:04:33.819 --> 00:04:34.350 yourself. 00:04:39.939 --> 00:04:40.740 Do we have any 00:04:45.089 --> 00:04:49.160 welcome? Good morning Lark. And everyone that's making 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:52.259 it daniel with I C. F. Welcome. 00:04:56.139 --> 00:04:56.649 Mm hmm. 00:04:58.939 --> 00:05:01.360 Okay, anybody else out there? 00:05:03.939 --> 00:05:08.189 We have several members of the team are Okay, well 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:12.709 let's wrap up introductions. Um and I realized I forgot 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:15.220 to introduce myself. I'm Teresa Harris and the Public 00:05:15.220 --> 00:05:18.170 utility commission and I'm the director of Infrastructure 00:05:18.170 --> 00:05:22.060 Analysis and Mathy and I have the great pleasure of 00:05:22.060 --> 00:05:25.470 working with Large Oakley on the end and verification 00:05:25.470 --> 00:05:28.839 contract that the puc has. I'm gonna turn it over to 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:32.730 Lark. Alright, I actually am not presenting this. E 00:05:32.730 --> 00:05:36.889 I P much except other than introducing um the utilities 00:05:36.889 --> 00:05:40.839 and to set a little context for this presentation um 00:05:40.850 --> 00:05:44.360 that we have Gary jones from encore is going to present 00:05:44.370 --> 00:05:48.120 on their winter load management program. So previous 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:52.209 to this year, we only had summer load management programs 00:05:52.220 --> 00:05:57.269 in the utility energy efficiency portfolio. So, um 00:05:57.279 --> 00:06:01.779 Senate Bill three, did you know, roll out some allowance 00:06:01.779 --> 00:06:04.569 for the utility commercial loan management programs 00:06:04.569 --> 00:06:07.639 So there were discussions around those and also with 00:06:07.649 --> 00:06:11.569 the winter storm fury, Everybody is aware of, you know 00:06:11.579 --> 00:06:15.689 several grid reliability issues we've all been discussing 00:06:15.689 --> 00:06:18.110 and all the different ways we can bring solutions to 00:06:18.110 --> 00:06:21.230 the table. And one of the ways that encore decided 00:06:21.230 --> 00:06:24.379 to do that was to include a winter load management 00:06:24.379 --> 00:06:27.370 program in their portfolio. It's also the first time 00:06:27.370 --> 00:06:30.889 it was a 24 7 program which as we know the way 00:06:30.889 --> 00:06:33.930 winter goes at, you know, can really be a resource 00:06:33.930 --> 00:06:38.939 when that cold hits. And um, so we are really excited 00:06:38.939 --> 00:06:42.139 to hear more about it on the E. M. And V side 00:06:42.149 --> 00:06:45.990 Um, Tetra tech subcontractor Energy Bs will be interviewing 00:06:45.990 --> 00:06:50.149 participants which are both a combination of commercial 00:06:50.149 --> 00:06:52.709 customers that participated directly. As well as some 00:06:52.709 --> 00:06:56.689 aggregators to hear about how did recruitment go? But 00:06:56.699 --> 00:07:00.689 nobody online. Can hear you just on the Youtube channel 00:07:00.689 --> 00:07:01.860 or video channel. 00:07:03.439 --> 00:07:07.740 Mm hmm. Thank you. Sorry about that. Um, I'm just doing 00:07:07.740 --> 00:07:11.029 an introduction of encore. So really what they say 00:07:11.029 --> 00:07:14.160 is important versus me. I was just kind of setting 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:17.500 the stage of um, how they quickly rolled out a winter 00:07:17.500 --> 00:07:19.709 load management program. So we're looking forward to 00:07:19.709 --> 00:07:23.370 hearing about that and we will be gathering more information 00:07:23.379 --> 00:07:27.149 Um you know, if this is something that is decided to 00:07:27.149 --> 00:07:30.519 be continued in portfolios to support their success 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:31.860 So. Gary over to you. 00:07:40.939 --> 00:07:42.050 Good morning. Good morning. 00:07:47.949 --> 00:07:51.120 This morning. I'm gonna just take a few minutes and 00:07:51.129 --> 00:07:54.560 discuss our winter load management program. We put 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:57.560 it together pretty quickly last year, Late last year 00:07:58.040 --> 00:07:59.449 Excuse me, 00:08:02.310 --> 00:08:04.860 if you want a clicker or I can pour it for you 00:08:07.540 --> 00:08:11.589 uh you can go ahead and move to the first slide As 00:08:11.589 --> 00:08:15.660 Lark was saying uh their Senate Bill three came as 00:08:15.660 --> 00:08:20.009 a result of the winter storm Uri and several other 00:08:20.009 --> 00:08:24.129 utilities took advantage of that that particular clause 00:08:24.310 --> 00:08:26.860 and decided to put together winter load management 00:08:26.870 --> 00:08:31.769 programs using a regulatory asset outside of energy 00:08:31.769 --> 00:08:36.009 efficiency encore still had room under our cost caps 00:08:36.019 --> 00:08:41.110 So we elected to go ahead and develop a program within 00:08:41.110 --> 00:08:44.960 our energy efficiency portfolio. We've always felt 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:48.320 like we had the capability of doing a winter load management 00:08:48.330 --> 00:08:51.759 program without this additional Senate bill three authorization 00:08:52.450 --> 00:08:57.690 simply because our goal is to reduce peak demand. And 00:08:57.690 --> 00:09:01.960 we've defined uh pura and both the rural and pure and 00:09:01.960 --> 00:09:07.149 both defined winter peak periods. So we uh created 00:09:07.149 --> 00:09:09.610 this program to cover those winter peak periods and 00:09:09.610 --> 00:09:12.200 reduce load there. But additionally, we felt like it 00:09:12.200 --> 00:09:14.899 was important to have the resource available. Your 00:09:15.029 --> 00:09:17.360 24/7 during that period. 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:23.590 We published the program template in the ei p docket 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:28.919 in late october with a 14 day uh comment period. We 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:32.259 received no comments on on the program in the template 00:09:33.039 --> 00:09:35.240 Additionally, we reviewed the program with the state 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:39.220 evaluator clark and her team to make sure that uh it 00:09:39.220 --> 00:09:41.679 was going to be in compliance and that the calculations 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:44.519 we're going to be correct uh in accordance with the 00:09:44.519 --> 00:09:47.769 TRM and there were some adjustments made to ensure 00:09:47.769 --> 00:09:50.450 that we could do that in the winter load management 00:09:51.840 --> 00:09:56.960 We have just completed our settlement or e CRF settlement 00:09:57.440 --> 00:10:01.429 and the program kind of came up after that. So we elected 00:10:01.429 --> 00:10:04.879 to not ask for any additional funding. We moved funding 00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:08.440 from other programs and from our administrative expenses 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:11.559 to help cover this particular program. 00:10:13.139 --> 00:10:19.059 And uh we worked with the commission, some of the other 00:10:19.059 --> 00:10:21.919 utilities that were doing the regulatory asset. There 00:10:21.919 --> 00:10:24.379 were certain things that came out of their settlement 00:10:24.389 --> 00:10:29.950 um with regard to like reporting to the reps the participants 00:10:30.580 --> 00:10:33.389 And so we uh we elected to go ahead and comply with 00:10:33.389 --> 00:10:35.750 those saying restrictions or requirements 00:10:37.340 --> 00:10:41.070 you can move on to the next. Excuse me. My allergies 00:10:41.070 --> 00:10:44.360 have been acting up and it's, my voice is still cracking 00:10:44.740 --> 00:10:48.960 Um, so the, this is just our program design, the period 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:53.629 is from december through february and we'll claim savings 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:56.659 in the in the year, the february, the ending year, 00:10:57.240 --> 00:10:59.769 we'll make payments in that year. So the savings of 00:10:59.769 --> 00:11:02.059 the payment will correspond to each other 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:06.919 and and the items with the asterix are things that 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:09.659 are different from our commercial load management program 00:11:10.039 --> 00:11:13.190 uh the operational hours or 24 hours a day, seven days 00:11:13.190 --> 00:11:17.190 a week in lieu of just the peak periods. And in our 00:11:17.190 --> 00:11:21.190 summer load management programs, it's only operational 00:11:21.190 --> 00:11:24.529 during those peak periods. So we're beginning to have 00:11:24.529 --> 00:11:26.720 internal discussions now on whether or not we should 00:11:26.720 --> 00:11:31.659 expand Our summer programs to be 24 7 also to potentially 00:11:31.659 --> 00:11:34.879 provide more value to the grid through the through 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:39.559 the programs. Uh It's a 30 minute notice which is consistent 00:11:39.559 --> 00:11:43.580 with an E. A. Level two requirement and the minimum 00:11:43.580 --> 00:11:46.259 load that can be subscribed is about 100 kw. 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:51.220 We uh we allow commercial customers reps and aggregation 00:11:51.220 --> 00:11:54.580 groups to participate and we had we had several of 00:11:54.580 --> 00:11:59.139 each uh there was one scheduled event that we hold 00:11:59.149 --> 00:12:01.159 that we hold during the peak period and we'll have 00:12:01.159 --> 00:12:04.360 a discussion around that here in just a minute. And 00:12:04.370 --> 00:12:08.789 the program allows six events for up to 12 hours, which 00:12:08.789 --> 00:12:11.590 is substantially more than our our summer load management 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:15.750 program. But again, we felt like if the if we did go 00:12:15.750 --> 00:12:18.759 into an event it could be a long lasting event, so 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:21.250 we wanted to be able to have that capacity. 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:27.480 Another requirement that we made uh the participants 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:31.399 in the program have to participate in at least 90% 00:12:31.409 --> 00:12:35.240 of their uh contracted loads, so if they contract 100 00:12:35.240 --> 00:12:39.809 kw, They have to curtail at least 90 kw through all 00:12:39.809 --> 00:12:43.029 of the events. So if we had multiple events the expectation 00:12:43.029 --> 00:12:46.210 would be that they would curtail at least 90 kw. And 00:12:46.210 --> 00:12:48.590 if they don't they don't get paid basically that's 00:12:48.590 --> 00:12:53.460 the penalty. So they have to uh have to be the requirement 00:12:53.940 --> 00:12:56.700 Our budget was about $2 million. We had a goal of 50 00:12:56.700 --> 00:13:04.320 MW With a $40 kw incentive. And we we check our critical 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:08.250 load list as one of the requirements and additionally 00:13:08.250 --> 00:13:11.230 we compare it with ERCOT crs list to make sure that 00:13:11.230 --> 00:13:12.850 there's no double counting. 00:13:14.940 --> 00:13:20.169 We're going to the next. So the results, we uh excuse 00:13:20.169 --> 00:13:24.029 me, we had a 50 megawatt goal. We actually achieved 00:13:24.029 --> 00:13:28.169 about 34.7 megawatts. We had a very short recruiting 00:13:28.179 --> 00:13:32.929 timeframe and and as a result we actually had a lot 00:13:32.929 --> 00:13:37.759 more but several of the providers either provided a 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:42.460 easy I. D. S. That were already in er s. And one 00:13:42.460 --> 00:13:46.620 rep provided a couple of easy I. D. S. That were actually 00:13:46.620 --> 00:13:49.909 on our critical load list. So we took those out of 00:13:49.909 --> 00:13:54.600 the program. So we ended up at about 34.7 uh and spent 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:57.750 about one point million dollars on that. We haven't 00:13:57.750 --> 00:14:00.000 made a payment yet. We're still going through the final 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:04.279 evaluation of the results and as soon as we get those 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:08.269 completed we'll make payments and and move forward 00:14:08.279 --> 00:14:12.980 program. So are we had four participants in about 34 00:14:12.980 --> 00:14:17.179 easy I. D. S. The actual accounts included an industrial 00:14:17.179 --> 00:14:21.299 customer, a big box retailer and a distribution warehouse 00:14:21.299 --> 00:14:26.000 company that that offered up their their warehouse 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:29.379 and their distribution center. The test event occurred 00:14:29.389 --> 00:14:33.649 on 15 December from 7 to 10 a.m. And there were no 00:14:33.649 --> 00:14:37.519 actually a level two events called. But the program 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:40.899 was available during the Winter Storm Langdon that 00:14:40.909 --> 00:14:42.659 happened in early 2022. 00:14:45.440 --> 00:14:49.889 So what did we learn from the program? Number one? 00:14:49.889 --> 00:14:52.409 Don't try to stand up a program in three weeks because 00:14:52.409 --> 00:14:56.620 it's really not the easiest thing to do. Um But we're 00:14:56.620 --> 00:14:58.740 going to continue to evaluate the number of events 00:14:58.740 --> 00:15:00.580 and the incentive levels. I think it's important that 00:15:00.580 --> 00:15:05.519 we optimize that uh we want to to get that savings 00:15:05.519 --> 00:15:08.769 or have those resources available at the minimum cost 00:15:08.769 --> 00:15:11.259 that we can possibly get. So we're gonna continue to 00:15:11.259 --> 00:15:13.860 look at that. Additionally, we want to make sure that 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:17.500 the program is substantial enough to offer up value 00:15:17.500 --> 00:15:20.049 to ERCOT in the grid when they need it. And so we're 00:15:20.049 --> 00:15:24.840 gonna continue to look at the program design. Uh ERCOT 00:15:24.840 --> 00:15:29.159 TRS splits their program into different hours and tranches 00:15:29.539 --> 00:15:32.210 throughout the day. You know, we're we're looking at 00:15:32.210 --> 00:15:34.980 it because some you know, some businesses aren't open 00:15:34.990 --> 00:15:37.429 Not many businesses are open 24 hours a day, seven 00:15:37.429 --> 00:15:40.620 days a week and we want to have resources available 00:15:40.620 --> 00:15:43.490 throughout the day. So we're trying to look at how 00:15:43.490 --> 00:15:46.259 should we redesign the program to maybe optimize that 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:52.009 Uh let's see uh industrial opt outs although they're 00:15:52.009 --> 00:15:56.580 not contributing to E CRF, they do provide a valuable 00:15:56.580 --> 00:15:59.960 resource in the event that we have a ERCOT grid emergency 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:03.759 So should there possibly be an exception for industrial 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:06.980 lockdowns to participate? As only in load management 00:16:06.980 --> 00:16:10.019 not in energy efficiency programs but only in in load 00:16:10.019 --> 00:16:13.549 management programs. That could certainly open up the 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:19.000 uh pool of potential participants in the program and 00:16:19.009 --> 00:16:21.629 uh could you know, bring additional resources to mayor 00:16:21.629 --> 00:16:22.350 if we needed them? 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:28.490 Critical load. We had several critical load customers 00:16:28.490 --> 00:16:31.230 that had backup generation who wanted to be in the 00:16:31.240 --> 00:16:36.029 program. And uh we we just basically denied them. We 00:16:36.029 --> 00:16:38.120 we felt like we didn't want to get into that issue 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:41.070 this year, we're going to continue to evaluate it. 00:16:41.539 --> 00:16:44.200 We we have the capability of doing that in the summer 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:49.710 load management program but in the winter it just seems 00:16:49.710 --> 00:16:52.779 a little tough to be able to do that. So we're gonna 00:16:52.779 --> 00:16:55.720 continue to look at that work with the commission staff 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:58.620 and the evaluator to figure out what's, you know, what 00:16:58.620 --> 00:17:00.820 are the right answers to some of these. And and again 00:17:00.820 --> 00:17:04.480 these are just questions that we're trying to resolve 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:05.450 over the next year. 00:17:07.650 --> 00:17:10.259 Ah and again considering considering whether we should 00:17:10.259 --> 00:17:12.339 make the commercial load management program in the 00:17:12.339 --> 00:17:16.069 summer time of 24/7 program to provide those resources 00:17:16.069 --> 00:17:19.579 because we we can't have an event anytime day or night 00:17:19.589 --> 00:17:24.130 so why not have those resources available? The participants 00:17:24.130 --> 00:17:26.940 may or may not like that, but I think it's it's important 00:17:26.950 --> 00:17:31.220 again, if we're going to have these programs, uh it's 00:17:31.220 --> 00:17:34.109 important that we have the resources available. Um 00:17:34.210 --> 00:17:39.789 when uh we had had the winter storm uri, we got a 00:17:39.789 --> 00:17:43.109 call about one am asking us to deploy our our load 00:17:43.109 --> 00:17:46.329 management resources and it was really disheartening 00:17:46.329 --> 00:17:48.900 to not be able to have any resources available to do 00:17:48.900 --> 00:17:53.109 that. Right? Because the program had was summer only 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:57.460 and we had no resources that we could call on. So we're 00:17:57.470 --> 00:17:59.589 you know, we're trying to beef up our programs to make 00:17:59.589 --> 00:18:03.240 sure that we are available in the event of a real emergency 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:08.480 in the future. Some operational things that we uh we 00:18:08.490 --> 00:18:11.359 dealt with and learned temperatures in december can 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:13.710 vary dramatically. So when you're running your test 00:18:13.710 --> 00:18:19.170 event It could be 85 or it could be 30 and unfortunately 00:18:19.170 --> 00:18:22.099 this year, the temperature, I forget what the temperature 00:18:22.099 --> 00:18:25.640 was, it was pretty warm the day that we did it, but 00:18:25.650 --> 00:18:29.059 we needed to get that uh event done so that we could 00:18:29.059 --> 00:18:31.789 go ahead and establish the contracts with the participants 00:18:31.799 --> 00:18:36.960 So we uh we called it, but ideally we would want to 00:18:36.960 --> 00:18:39.769 call the event under the conditions that we would expect 00:18:39.769 --> 00:18:42.579 them to actually perform it. So we would have preferred 00:18:42.579 --> 00:18:45.960 a cold day or a freezing day, something like that. 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:52.829 Uh Some commercial premises have restrictions on when 00:18:52.829 --> 00:18:56.279 they can operate their generators. And a lot of the 00:18:56.289 --> 00:18:58.829 participants in the program used generation back up 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:00.359 while they're in the event, 00:19:02.339 --> 00:19:05.819 they're allowed to operate during an emergency, but 00:19:05.819 --> 00:19:09.380 during a scheduled event, they're not necessarily allowed 00:19:09.380 --> 00:19:12.529 to operate their generator from 7 to 11 in the morning 00:19:12.539 --> 00:19:15.799 And we called this event at seven in the morning. And 00:19:15.799 --> 00:19:18.930 so there was some conflicting things that went on there 00:19:18.940 --> 00:19:21.950 and we've decided next year, well, due to events, we'll 00:19:21.950 --> 00:19:24.200 do one in the morning and one in the afternoon so that 00:19:24.200 --> 00:19:27.130 we can accommodate for those generators who cannot 00:19:27.130 --> 00:19:31.710 run in the morning. But again, during an actual event 00:19:31.710 --> 00:19:33.759 they would be able to operate at any time. It's just 00:19:34.210 --> 00:19:38.720 there, there t ce que requirements on there on non 00:19:38.720 --> 00:19:39.960 emergency operation. 00:19:42.140 --> 00:19:45.430 Let's see. Uh some businesses are closed, whatever 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:48.970 if we have an event. So how do we manage that? The 00:19:48.980 --> 00:19:51.750 way we're handling it right now is asking them not 00:19:51.750 --> 00:19:55.470 to open if they're already closed, don't open. If they're 00:19:55.480 --> 00:19:57.730 you know, if they normally open at seven and we're 00:19:57.730 --> 00:20:00.279 in the middle of an event, just don't open and and 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:02.259 stay down and we'll pay them to do that. 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:08.329 But again, these are issues, we probably need processes 00:20:08.329 --> 00:20:12.130 and procedures in place to actually handle it on a 00:20:12.130 --> 00:20:16.700 consistent basis across the state. Uh we're gonna increase 00:20:16.700 --> 00:20:19.990 our outreach efforts start them earlier this time in 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:25.529 early september and let's see, oh and again, we're 00:20:25.529 --> 00:20:28.099 finding that it's critical that we continue to work 00:20:28.099 --> 00:20:32.200 closely with ERCOT on sharing information about participating 00:20:32.210 --> 00:20:35.640 participants in each of the programs. And we send our 00:20:35.640 --> 00:20:38.470 kind of file of all of our participants and they send 00:20:38.470 --> 00:20:41.380 us a file of theirs and we update and check that on 00:20:41.380 --> 00:20:45.180 a monthly basis during um during the period of time 00:20:45.180 --> 00:20:48.400 that these load management programs are in place. But 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:50.359 that's very important to continue to do that. 00:20:52.539 --> 00:20:56.140 Uh Again reviewing participants on the critical load 00:20:56.140 --> 00:21:00.490 list and making sure that you're not signing up people 00:21:00.490 --> 00:21:03.920 who are on the critical list. We feel like that's still 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:09.220 important. Our internal notification process, we're 00:21:09.220 --> 00:21:12.640 in the middle of revising that right now. Initially 00:21:12.650 --> 00:21:16.980 our T. G. M. R transmission grid management organization 00:21:17.039 --> 00:21:21.049 gets a call from ERCOT on their emergency phone, they 00:21:21.049 --> 00:21:26.539 notify energy efficiency. We put together a basically 00:21:26.539 --> 00:21:30.309 a scripted document that we sent to the call center 00:21:30.319 --> 00:21:33.890 and then they will send out texts emails and make phone 00:21:33.890 --> 00:21:39.420 calls to the to the aside lists that during the day 00:21:39.420 --> 00:21:42.019 works pretty well. But you know, at one o'clock in 00:21:42.019 --> 00:21:44.369 the morning if people are asleep or have their phones 00:21:44.369 --> 00:21:48.740 turned off. Energy efficiency is kind of the the stopping 00:21:48.740 --> 00:21:51.890 point of that. Uh T. G. M. And our call centers are 00:21:51.890 --> 00:21:55.799 both open 24 7. So we're revising the process to make 00:21:55.799 --> 00:21:58.740 sure that the notification goes directly from TGS to 00:21:58.740 --> 00:22:02.250 the call center That way they can begin to call process 00:22:02.250 --> 00:22:04.940 and get that going and then we'll be notified after 00:22:04.940 --> 00:22:05.460 the fact. 00:22:09.440 --> 00:22:13.119 Okay, next steps uh Again, we're gonna work with the 00:22:13.119 --> 00:22:15.140 state evaluation commission staff to make sure that 00:22:15.140 --> 00:22:17.349 the programs are providing value, that we're meeting 00:22:17.349 --> 00:22:20.990 all the requirements of the program. Um and there, 00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:23.319 you know, this is we're learning from it. So there's 00:22:23.319 --> 00:22:26.269 a good opportunity for us to revise the program and 00:22:26.269 --> 00:22:30.079 really make it robust in in the future. Again, there's 00:22:30.079 --> 00:22:33.670 a lot of discussion right now down here in austin about 00:22:34.039 --> 00:22:37.230 where load management should reside and should it all 00:22:37.230 --> 00:22:40.359 reside in ERCOT Well, we'll see where that goes this 00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:43.680 year also and that will have a big impact on whether 00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:48.250 or not we continue this particular program. How do 00:22:48.250 --> 00:22:51.799 we finalize savings and claim those savings against 00:22:51.799 --> 00:22:54.480 our energy efficiency goals? We need to make a final 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:56.950 determination of that and really get a process in place 00:22:56.950 --> 00:23:00.549 to do it and then determine whether to continue the 00:23:00.549 --> 00:23:03.049 program. We're still up in the air. And this was a 00:23:03.049 --> 00:23:06.839 pilot this year to see if we could provide value and 00:23:06.849 --> 00:23:10.670 it appears to be a good program. I think that the mix 00:23:10.670 --> 00:23:13.990 of customers that we got was diverse enough that, you 00:23:13.990 --> 00:23:17.819 know, it can offer value, but we need to make a decision 00:23:17.829 --> 00:23:21.740 around that and then at what level do we need this 00:23:21.740 --> 00:23:25.170 program to operate. Uh there's always a lot of questions 00:23:25.170 --> 00:23:27.319 about are we doing too much load management? Too little 00:23:27.319 --> 00:23:32.960 load management. Um do we, you know, is this a 50 megawatt 00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:36.049 program? This is a 25 megawatt present, 1000 megawatt 00:23:36.049 --> 00:23:38.309 program. We just need to figure out where we need to 00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:42.900 be. And then we're, the intent is we're going to file 00:23:42.900 --> 00:23:48.410 it in our 2023 expert as a program and then we'll go 00:23:48.410 --> 00:23:49.460 from there. So 00:23:52.740 --> 00:23:56.329 any questions I'm hearing more about crypto mines, 00:23:56.789 --> 00:24:01.700 are you guys targeting them significant? You know, 00:24:01.819 --> 00:24:04.460 we, we've had some discussions, there have been several 00:24:04.460 --> 00:24:10.130 that have been coming into the service area. Um, I 00:24:10.130 --> 00:24:12.359 don't know how we're gonna handle those? Exactly. A 00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:14.240 lot of they're just putting up a building next to a 00:24:14.240 --> 00:24:16.549 substation. I mean it's just like a metal building 00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:19.980 and so we're trying to figure out is there a way that 00:24:19.980 --> 00:24:23.000 we can work with them to do some things on the, on 00:24:23.000 --> 00:24:25.579 the data side. On the data center side because it's 00:24:25.579 --> 00:24:28.349 just a huge data center is all it is. Right. So yeah 00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:33.640 Yes to two questions. Um, well, first of all, thank 00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:38.359 you for trying this. It's exciting You said that you 00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:42.609 felt like even without SB3, you could have run this 00:24:42.609 --> 00:24:45.170 program, but isn't isn't the difference that you could 00:24:45.170 --> 00:24:48.480 communicate more directly with the customers or you're 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:51.640 doing this through a third party, we do the energy 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:55.839 efficiency side, we do through a third party. We we 00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:58.519 have third party aggregation groups, reps, and then 00:24:58.519 --> 00:25:00.880 we can communicate directly with large customers who 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:03.170 want to participate. You felt like you could already 00:25:03.180 --> 00:25:06.400 do what you need to simply because you know, our goal 00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:09.880 is to reduce peak demand. We've defined peak periods 00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:13.519 in the winter and so we we can put programs around 00:25:13.710 --> 00:25:16.509 any kind of, you know, peak demand reduction. What 00:25:16.509 --> 00:25:20.900 we've done here is done a 24/7 program but it encompasses 00:25:20.900 --> 00:25:23.259 those peak periods that we were looking at. There's 00:25:23.259 --> 00:25:27.059 nothing that says, we can't do additional savings outside 00:25:27.059 --> 00:25:30.119 of those peak periods. Right. So we've always felt 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:33.599 like, and then could you just tell us what the actual 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:36.960 mechanics of the savings were? Was it just turning 00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:39.950 down the thermostat? Was it turning off the operations 00:25:39.950 --> 00:25:42.599 completely? Like what was the, where, where were the 00:25:42.609 --> 00:25:45.710 50 megawatts or the 34 megawatts actually coming from 00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:48.339 So there there were several and it really depends on 00:25:48.339 --> 00:25:52.210 the industry. We we had a variety of industries that 00:25:52.220 --> 00:25:55.339 participated in the program. Big box retailers typically 00:25:55.339 --> 00:25:58.079 turn off part of their lighting. So you have a huge 00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:02.509 store and maybe they turn off the lights uh this particular 00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:06.910 one has a centralized BMS building management system 00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:09.619 So they can turn off lights and multiple stores at 00:26:09.619 --> 00:26:12.490 the same time, you can cut back on the air conditioning 00:26:12.490 --> 00:26:15.119 in the store, depending upon what time of day it is 00:26:15.119 --> 00:26:17.539 obviously if it's late at night, maybe they can shut 00:26:17.539 --> 00:26:20.859 down the heating and cooling completely. Right? So 00:26:20.859 --> 00:26:24.809 if in that case they are using a backup generator and 00:26:24.809 --> 00:26:29.640 they're just so so another customer does use a backup 00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:32.799 generator, they switch over to the generator and disconnect 00:26:32.799 --> 00:26:35.839 from the grid essentially and operate as an island 00:26:35.849 --> 00:26:39.039 separate from the grid. So uh they'll do that. And 00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:41.339 then others just, you know, the normal things just 00:26:41.339 --> 00:26:44.569 shutting down the air conditioning, uh sub shut down 00:26:44.569 --> 00:26:47.309 operations, you know like conveyor belts and things 00:26:47.309 --> 00:26:50.509 of that nature? They can shut down but it really depends 00:26:50.509 --> 00:26:54.259 on the industry and we don't look that closely at how 00:26:54.259 --> 00:26:56.730 they do it? We just look at their a my day to 00:26:56.740 --> 00:26:58.960 make sure that they do do it whatever it is. Right 00:26:58.970 --> 00:26:59.460 So 00:27:01.339 --> 00:27:04.920 yes ma'am questions. The first one is, the presentation 00:27:04.920 --> 00:27:07.130 is going to be available in the project. 00:27:09.430 --> 00:27:12.630 And the second one is, I think you mentioned evaluating 00:27:12.630 --> 00:27:15.269 whether industrial customers have basically opted out 00:27:15.269 --> 00:27:18.210 such that they don't have to pay the easier to participate 00:27:18.210 --> 00:27:21.789 in the management. So are you gonna continue to evaluate 00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:25.269 that as encores moving their program into the sierra 00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:30.930 Yes, we have. It's a touchy question and and we've 00:27:30.930 --> 00:27:35.450 really got to come to grips with, is it is it worth 00:27:35.460 --> 00:27:39.789 making an exception for them solely in load management 00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:44.160 programs because we're talking about grid emergencies 00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:48.430 and we need as much load reduction as we can get during 00:27:48.430 --> 00:27:51.759 those emergencies. Is it worthwhile making an exception 00:27:51.759 --> 00:27:54.670 for that type of program? Or do we just continue to 00:27:54.670 --> 00:27:58.259 say that the they they've opted out so they're not 00:27:58.259 --> 00:27:59.210 eligible for any? 00:28:01.740 --> 00:28:04.619 Yeah. So yeah, I mean, so there are a lot of issues 00:28:04.619 --> 00:28:06.420 around that. I just bring it up as a question that 00:28:06.420 --> 00:28:09.240 we need to investigate. Well, we'll just see where 00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.269 that goes. It may not go anywhere. So and then the 00:28:12.269 --> 00:28:15.170 last question was as you're assessing like the size 00:28:15.180 --> 00:28:18.349 of the potential program, like kind of going forward 00:28:18.410 --> 00:28:22.380 but also talking with like and other potentially interested 00:28:22.380 --> 00:28:24.589 ERCOT participants about the impact of that program 00:28:24.589 --> 00:28:28.680 on pricing to ensure that you don't send negative signals 00:28:28.700 --> 00:28:31.690 to the ERCOT. We we do our best to make sure that 00:28:31.690 --> 00:28:35.200 the program isn't in such a size that it has a negative 00:28:35.200 --> 00:28:41.049 impact on pricing. You know, our our goal is to provide 00:28:41.049 --> 00:28:44.210 resources to be available in the event of a grid emergency 00:28:44.740 --> 00:28:48.470 And uh if you look at the times when you're going to 00:28:48.470 --> 00:28:50.740 have a great emergency, prices are probably going to 00:28:50.740 --> 00:28:54.130 be at the cap anyway. More than likely. So. And I doubt 00:28:54.130 --> 00:28:56.190 that anything that we do would have much of an impact 00:28:56.190 --> 00:28:59.859 on that, reducing it from that cap. Yeah. 00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:04.390 Yes, sir. Mr fill It may be a question for lark. It's 00:29:04.390 --> 00:29:08.109 a basic question, is there a standardized methodology 00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:11.130 for calculating baselines for load management programs 00:29:11.579 --> 00:29:16.710 Summer winter the same. So we chose when we rolled 00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:21.240 out a new methodology for winter, we chose to go, we 00:29:21.240 --> 00:29:25.269 have five out of 10 that's used in the baseline and 00:29:25.269 --> 00:29:29.140 summer we expanded that to eight out of 10 for winter 00:29:29.140 --> 00:29:33.269 That is one of the methods that Ercot uses. Um part 00:29:33.269 --> 00:29:35.450 of the reason we did this summer one is because of 00:29:35.460 --> 00:29:38.579 thunderstorms that would knock out power lines meters 00:29:38.579 --> 00:29:42.460 So We had that discussion for mine, we may be revisiting 00:29:42.460 --> 00:29:45.059 and moving to eight out of 10 for summer two, I don't 00:29:45.059 --> 00:29:50.079 know. Um the other change we made is in summer, it 00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:54.069 always has to be the preceding period that's used for 00:29:54.069 --> 00:29:56.740 the baseline Because we're kind of always consistently 00:29:56.740 --> 00:29:59.680 hot. Right? But winter doesn't work that way. I mean 00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.049 look at what just happened, it was 80 all weekend and 00:30:02.049 --> 00:30:05.420 now suddenly we're in the 50s. So we wanted to allow 00:30:05.420 --> 00:30:08.960 the flexibility that that baseline could be calculated 00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:13.859 either before or after the event. Um just based on 00:30:13.859 --> 00:30:16.009 when that cold front came in and there's just a lot 00:30:16.009 --> 00:30:19.400 more variability in winter weather. So we made that 00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:23.569 change as well. I think for practical purposes, you 00:30:23.569 --> 00:30:26.869 all did just use the preceding this year because that's 00:30:26.869 --> 00:30:28.940 something that they were used to. But we wanted to 00:30:28.940 --> 00:30:31.779 build in that flexibility that it can take into account 00:30:31.779 --> 00:30:35.410 when that cold front hit. It would be different for 00:30:35.410 --> 00:30:37.809 weather sensitive loads versus non weather but you 00:30:37.809 --> 00:30:42.240 don't even, it's consistent. We we don't know if it's 00:30:42.240 --> 00:30:44.900 a weather sensitive load that we're working with or 00:30:44.900 --> 00:30:47.849 not. So it's a consistent methodology that we use 00:30:50.940 --> 00:30:51.930 question on the phone. 00:30:55.339 --> 00:30:57.950 Hi, this is Aaron brian, baldwin centrica business 00:30:57.950 --> 00:31:01.940 solutions were queasy and demand response provider 00:31:01.950 --> 00:31:04.980 Um first following up on the question that you just 00:31:04.980 --> 00:31:09.369 had about baselines, do you do you use an in day adjustment 00:31:09.380 --> 00:31:11.599 So if you're looking at I guess the winner you said 00:31:11.609 --> 00:31:16.390 hi eight of 10, do you look at adjusting that up or 00:31:16.390 --> 00:31:19.849 down based on conditions the day of the event to sort 00:31:19.849 --> 00:31:23.930 of incorporate Yes. In both summer and winter we have 00:31:23.930 --> 00:31:27.730 a day of adjustment. Yes. Good question Is it capped 00:31:27.730 --> 00:31:32.690 at like 20% or 50% or something like that? I don't 00:31:32.690 --> 00:31:36.490 think it's kept, I don't yeah, it's a two hour ahead 00:31:36.500 --> 00:31:39.509 adjustment. I don't think it's captive but I would 00:31:39.509 --> 00:31:42.170 have to go back and look, do you know? Okay, 00:31:45.740 --> 00:31:49.769 we will we will circle back on that when we distribute 00:31:49.769 --> 00:31:55.349 materials um and I will confirm that for sure. Um it 00:31:55.349 --> 00:31:59.029 is it is all the all the methodology is publicly available 00:31:59.029 --> 00:32:03.809 that spells all that out and the TRM the texas technical 00:32:03.809 --> 00:32:07.819 reference manual so that is all publicly available 00:32:07.819 --> 00:32:10.759 and out there um but 00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:15.690 I just need to double check. Yeah, I don't know actually 00:32:16.490 --> 00:32:20.029 I don't think great our load management lead is on 00:32:20.029 --> 00:32:22.390 and she will be able to answer that question. 00:32:28.910 --> 00:32:34.480 Yes, it is 50%,, 50%. Okay, that's great. And then 00:32:34.490 --> 00:32:38.730 the other questions I had to do with the pricing that 00:32:38.730 --> 00:32:42.160 you arrived at initially and then I guess related is 00:32:42.170 --> 00:32:46.430 is for the cost benefit analysis after the fact what 00:32:46.430 --> 00:32:49.650 did, what do you use as the, I'm not sure what the 00:32:49.660 --> 00:32:53.269 proper term is protections, but like the avoided costs 00:32:53.740 --> 00:32:57.039 or the, you know, the cost of the alternative. What 00:32:57.039 --> 00:33:00.660 what would be the metric against which you would compare 00:33:01.140 --> 00:33:05.160 the prices for load management versus, I don't know 00:33:05.160 --> 00:33:08.359 what, I don't know what the alternative is, but how 00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:10.670 do you look at that and how did you determine the prices 00:33:10.680 --> 00:33:14.369 going into the season for this first go round. We, 00:33:14.380 --> 00:33:19.109 we compare against the avoided cost of capacity, which 00:33:19.109 --> 00:33:23.769 is calculated by commission staff every november. And 00:33:23.779 --> 00:33:26.230 and it's based on the overnight construction cost of 00:33:26.230 --> 00:33:29.609 a, I think a combined cycle combustion turbine 00:33:31.539 --> 00:33:35.509 And so that, and it's right now it's $80 and it's fun 00:33:35.509 --> 00:33:40.980 at that level for quite a while. Um, and so our programs 00:33:40.980 --> 00:33:45.089 are cost effective so long as the total expenditures 00:33:45.940 --> 00:33:49.710 in the program, uh, are less than the net benefits 00:33:49.710 --> 00:33:53.210 of the program. So are less than the avoided costs 00:33:53.210 --> 00:33:57.170 Excuse me. And so are our program right now we send 00:33:57.170 --> 00:34:03.250 it at $40 K W uh, we felt like we were asking 00:34:04.529 --> 00:34:07.809 The customers to be available 24 hours a day, seven 00:34:07.809 --> 00:34:11.449 days a week. And we felt like we needed high enough 00:34:11.449 --> 00:34:15.719 incentive to actually get participation in the program 00:34:15.730 --> 00:34:20.250 That that's a big ask for particularly for large companies 00:34:20.739 --> 00:34:23.219 not knowing whether they could, you know would have 00:34:23.219 --> 00:34:27.550 to shut down for you know, complete days, put potentially 00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:32.599 And additionally we're asking for a 12 hour load curtailment 00:34:32.610 --> 00:34:36.170 and up to six of those during the period. So it was 00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:39.989 uh it was important, we felt like that was a fair price 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:42.769 and actually we were kind of testing the ERCOT and 00:34:42.769 --> 00:34:45.920 we'll continue to do that if you look at our summer 00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:49.389 load management program Several years ago we were at 00:34:49.389 --> 00:34:54.469 $50 at KW and we've been testing the ERCOT and continuing 00:34:54.469 --> 00:34:58.789 to reduce that amount And I think we're at $30 at KW 00:34:58.789 --> 00:35:02.179 now for that program. So we're we're testing the ERCOT 00:35:02.179 --> 00:35:05.650 to see what it will bear and so that we can continue 00:35:05.650 --> 00:35:10.380 to get participation. So just just an observation and 00:35:10.380 --> 00:35:13.030 so you know, if you can't tell from my accent or lack 00:35:13.030 --> 00:35:16.599 thereof that uh from the Northeast my backgrounds in 00:35:16.610 --> 00:35:21.780 mainly in new york and um Con Edison has been running 00:35:21.780 --> 00:35:24.920 these utility demand response programs in parallel 00:35:24.920 --> 00:35:28.000 with the new york, I suppose programs for I don't know 00:35:28.010 --> 00:35:30.289 the better part of a decade if not longer than that 00:35:30.289 --> 00:35:34.030 And one of the things they started basically set the 00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:38.250 payment to be almost equal to the avoided costs. So 00:35:38.250 --> 00:35:41.530 essentially giving all of the money away to participants 00:35:41.530 --> 00:35:44.519 and that's how the program started. And then as the 00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:47.000 program involved, they've sort of rashes and the numbers 00:35:47.010 --> 00:35:50.630 back So that you know, you can get cost benefit numbers 00:35:50.630 --> 00:35:55.010 that were by program designed set at basically .99 00:35:55.010 --> 00:35:58.920 or one zero. So it's it makes sense. And it sounds 00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:02.409 like you're I forgot what you said the capacity cost 00:36:02.409 --> 00:36:05.070 was but it's sounds like you're in about half. About 00:36:05.070 --> 00:36:07.340 half. Okay, 00:36:10.139 --> 00:36:12.489 well, good, good job. These are these are really great 00:36:12.489 --> 00:36:15.679 programs. They can you can definitely have, you know 00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:19.039 utility programs working in parallel with wholesale 00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:22.480 programs. And it's good to see you guys and the other 00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.219 utilities, you know, working on these programs. God 00:36:25.219 --> 00:36:28.550 bless you for trying to get it done in a month's time 00:36:29.329 --> 00:36:29.539 Mm. 00:36:33.630 --> 00:36:37.239 Um maybe this is a question for the wider panel later 00:36:37.239 --> 00:36:42.610 but residential demand response in winter, Is that 00:36:42.610 --> 00:36:44.780 something you guys have looked at? Is that 00:36:46.670 --> 00:36:49.670 okay? I'm asking whether there's the potential to do 00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:55.590 residential demand winter load programs and whether 00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:58.269 either encores looked at it and maybe future panelists 00:36:58.269 --> 00:37:00.630 whether they've looked at it. We're we're currently 00:37:00.630 --> 00:37:03.929 doing a summer residential load management program 00:37:03.940 --> 00:37:08.659 and we have about 34,000 accounts in that program. 00:37:09.329 --> 00:37:12.619 Winter is a little different animal because you're 00:37:12.619 --> 00:37:19.460 looking at you take your coffee in here. We're looking 00:37:19.460 --> 00:37:21.369 at a 00:37:25.929 --> 00:37:29.190 so we're looking at it. But again, there's there are 00:37:29.190 --> 00:37:35.250 a lot of safety aspects to Yeah. All right. Do you 00:37:35.250 --> 00:37:37.320 have any questions for mR drugs? 00:37:40.130 --> 00:37:45.630 No. Okay, thanks. Well, I'm not quite sure who's next 00:37:45.630 --> 00:37:52.010 up on the agenda, but I know it. 00:37:54.530 --> 00:37:58.119 All right. Mhm. So, I think right now we'll go ahead 00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:02.369 and move into the ERCOT updates, utility updates. Um 00:38:02.380 --> 00:38:11.449 Clark who was 1st. That's what I thought. Mhm hmm. 00:38:25.619 --> 00:38:27.130 Do you want me to do your slides for you or do 00:38:27.130 --> 00:38:31.539 you want? Um Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 00:38:35.619 --> 00:38:38.849 Um Gary essentially gave me the floor because he knows 00:38:38.860 --> 00:38:42.250 he doesn't want to talk longer than necessary. Very 00:38:42.250 --> 00:38:44.739 tough act to follow. But I'll do my best. 00:38:52.420 --> 00:38:56.289 Good morning. My name is Jean Perez. I am manager for 00:38:56.289 --> 00:38:59.559 energy efficiency and in compliance with encore. Um 00:38:59.570 --> 00:39:02.510 today we have the opportunity to talk about our encore 00:39:02.510 --> 00:39:09.389 energy efficiency portfolio for 2022 and in 2023, next 00:39:09.389 --> 00:39:14.989 slide please. So for 2022 we set our budget as approved 00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:20.019 in last year's E CRF at 50.4 million. Um, as you know 00:39:20.030 --> 00:39:22.469 we already have the winter commercial load management 00:39:22.469 --> 00:39:26.119 pilot as part of our budget. This was not part of our 00:39:26.130 --> 00:39:29.280 energy efficiency. Um, the profiling from last year 00:39:29.289 --> 00:39:32.639 However, as Gary mentioned earlier, Um, we wanted to 00:39:32.650 --> 00:39:35.039 make sure that the winter commercial load management 00:39:35.050 --> 00:39:39.599 pilot is part of a 2022 portfolio without requesting 00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:42.909 for additional budget. So we accommodated incentive 00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:47.389 budget. Kwh kwh for the program. The good thing is 00:39:47.389 --> 00:39:51.130 coming into the paper on april 1st knowing what our 00:39:51.130 --> 00:39:53.829 load is for winter commercial load management is, we 00:39:53.829 --> 00:39:56.820 are able to adjust our budget to accommodate how much 00:39:56.820 --> 00:40:00.010 is our achieved versus the stated goal uh and how much 00:40:00.010 --> 00:40:04.059 are kW kWh is, so then we're able to adjust our budget 00:40:04.070 --> 00:40:06.820 in time for the april 1st filing, so that takes into 00:40:06.820 --> 00:40:10.219 account majority of of our programs as well as budget 00:40:10.219 --> 00:40:13.769 adjustments for the commercial sector. Um This budget 00:40:13.769 --> 00:40:18.150 will be the budget KW and kWH will be achieved by a 00:40:18.150 --> 00:40:22.030 variety of standard offer programs as well as ERCOT 00:40:22.030 --> 00:40:26.280 transformation programs. In 2021 we have had the success 00:40:26.289 --> 00:40:30.260 of standing up new ERCOT transformation programs. One 00:40:30.269 --> 00:40:33.570 is, we've stood up the residential new home construction 00:40:33.570 --> 00:40:38.289 program in 2021 we've also switched our small business 00:40:38.289 --> 00:40:42.420 direct install into a service provider model where 00:40:42.420 --> 00:40:45.820 we have service providers strategically located outside 00:40:45.829 --> 00:40:49.539 of the DFW metro, ensuring that our incentives and 00:40:49.550 --> 00:40:52.820 our savings actually touch those outside of the metro 00:40:53.409 --> 00:40:57.050 Um Of course we also stood up the commercial midstream 00:40:57.050 --> 00:41:00.710 pilot, this is formally known as the formerly known 00:41:00.710 --> 00:41:04.309 as the commercial H V A C distributor program. We transitioned 00:41:04.309 --> 00:41:07.329 it to a commercial midstream because we do plan on 00:41:07.340 --> 00:41:10.590 integrating additional measures beyond just H V A C 00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:16.199 for commercial, our targeted megawatt is at 165 with 00:41:16.210 --> 00:41:23.429 megawatt hours of 254,532. Um that's beyond the 95.1 00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:28.929 goal and about 164,000 megawatt hour goal for 2022 00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:33.539 Next slide please, do you know what that corresponds 00:41:33.539 --> 00:41:36.889 to on a, like a capacity factor, the savings versus 00:41:36.900 --> 00:41:41.139 the, the VCR. Does anyone know what I'm saying? 00:41:42.710 --> 00:41:47.789 There's a, there's a 20% capacity factor of 20% conservation 00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:48.440 conservation 00:41:52.070 --> 00:41:55.570 at the 20 2 54,000. 00:41:59.710 --> 00:42:03.269 The number that's in my head is 165,000. But I am doing 00:42:03.269 --> 00:42:06.800 the 2022 2023 paper so I don't want to give you the 00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:09.130 wrong information because at this point it is all jumbled 00:42:09.130 --> 00:42:16.599 in my head so I just like 25% like the one thing 00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:20.510 I would say is, so 2022 we have a 95.1 megawatt goal 00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:22.610 that's the regulatory requirements because we didn't 00:42:22.619 --> 00:42:28.369 hit the 4/10 of 1% in 2019. Our megawatt hour goal 00:42:28.380 --> 00:42:32.210 is thus subscribe to the 20% conservation load factor 00:42:32.219 --> 00:42:36.710 I love math, I just can't calculate the 95% with the 00:42:36.710 --> 00:42:39.929 line loss. So bear with me, I will give you that information 00:42:41.400 --> 00:42:45.239 Uh, so what's coming in 2023 2020 for the same thing 00:42:45.250 --> 00:42:48.199 Majority of our standard offer programs as well as 00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:50.510 ERCOT transformation programs. So that comes with the 00:42:50.519 --> 00:42:53.940 commercial standard offer home energy efficiency solar 00:42:53.940 --> 00:42:56.969 for both residential and commercial. Um of course we 00:42:56.969 --> 00:42:59.969 also have our heart to reach targeted weatherization 00:42:59.980 --> 00:43:04.039 low income programs as well as what I mentioned earlier 00:43:04.050 --> 00:43:07.460 ERCOT transformation for small business, commercial 00:43:07.460 --> 00:43:10.880 midstream, what will be you for this year? And I will 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:15.150 be talking about this in the next slide is our strategic 00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:18.369 energy management ERCOT transformation program of course 00:43:18.369 --> 00:43:21.659 the winter commercial loan management program. And 00:43:21.670 --> 00:43:26.820 in 2023 we will be introducing the low income HDs tuner 00:43:26.829 --> 00:43:32.139 program. Yes ma'am cam, I don't see heat pumps anywhere 00:43:32.139 --> 00:43:35.599 on this uh heat pump is embedded as part of our home 00:43:35.599 --> 00:43:38.300 energy efficiency standard offer program to operate 00:43:38.300 --> 00:43:38.809 as a measure. 00:43:40.389 --> 00:43:43.469 The percent of heat pumps done through the programs 00:43:43.469 --> 00:43:47.320 has gone up drastically over the last few years, correct 00:43:47.800 --> 00:43:51.079 Has anybody considered putting a provision on solar 00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:55.820 that requires energy efficiency be done first? So, 00:43:55.829 --> 00:43:57.860 and I can talk about it actually in the next slide 00:43:57.869 --> 00:44:01.659 we have changed our solar program, especially the residential 00:44:01.670 --> 00:44:05.440 to be able to adjust to ERCOT transformation as well 00:44:05.449 --> 00:44:09.190 Um the needs for the solar has changed so much that 00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:11.380 we're we've redesigned the program such that we're 00:44:11.380 --> 00:44:14.500 able to cater specifically to what the ERCOT is requiring 00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:18.230 Now whether or not it's energy efficiency first is 00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:21.989 we do our solar based on what the TRM um states our 00:44:21.989 --> 00:44:24.300 savings would be. And my understanding is that the 00:44:24.309 --> 00:44:28.000 priority is energy efficiency and 00:44:29.590 --> 00:44:33.150 has maybe this is a question for lark rather than you 00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:37.030 Has anyone looked at whether energy savings are still 00:44:37.030 --> 00:44:41.170 irrelevant metric for doing programs like these. 00:44:45.849 --> 00:44:48.550 In other words, if would you get more bang for the 00:44:48.559 --> 00:44:53.639 buck by doing this for peak savings rather than energy 00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:57.920 savings. Since that's really what texas issue is today 00:44:58.489 --> 00:45:02.510 So our goals are based on the reduction of peak demand 00:45:03.389 --> 00:45:07.199 and that's our primary goal. We've we've created a 00:45:07.210 --> 00:45:11.159 excuse me, we've we've created an energy goal Based 00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:15.769 on the 20% conservation load factor. So at the end 00:45:15.769 --> 00:45:18.889 of the day, our goals, our demand based in reducing 00:45:18.900 --> 00:45:23.630 people. Man, that's right. But although I do want to 00:45:23.630 --> 00:45:26.960 say that what while we're tracking our historical um 00:45:26.969 --> 00:45:30.289 we have been seeing an increase of our energy savings 00:45:30.300 --> 00:45:32.869 in relation to our demand savings. So while to Gary's 00:45:32.869 --> 00:45:35.590 point, while our goals are based off of demand and 00:45:35.590 --> 00:45:38.340 then our energy is based off of the 20% conservation 00:45:38.340 --> 00:45:41.730 load factor calculation our energy savings that we 00:45:41.730 --> 00:45:44.210 have been achieving from our program has been increasing 00:45:45.190 --> 00:45:47.369 in line with the peak demand savings that we're seeing 00:45:47.369 --> 00:45:48.920 as well. Thank you. 00:45:52.690 --> 00:45:55.409 Um had a quick question on the residential new home 00:45:55.409 --> 00:45:59.039 construction. I assume that's a program where you're 00:45:59.050 --> 00:46:03.099 paying builders if they go above the base energy code 00:46:03.110 --> 00:46:07.650 And is it 15% or currently it's above code for ie 6 00:46:07.659 --> 00:46:11.579 2015, I didn't put a slide for residential new home 00:46:11.579 --> 00:46:14.519 construction here. but for a residential new home construction 00:46:14.530 --> 00:46:17.369 we're actually paying beyond code. And we were paying 00:46:17.369 --> 00:46:20.960 both on the prescriptive measures as well as for homes 00:46:20.969 --> 00:46:25.559 that have the energy star certification, as well as 00:46:25.750 --> 00:46:29.739 the zero energy ready home certification. And I'm sure 00:46:29.739 --> 00:46:33.369 everyone in this room is aware that both Seiko is looking 00:46:33.369 --> 00:46:36.769 at the 21 code and a number of the cities, including 00:46:36.769 --> 00:46:39.920 the north central Texas, cities are also starting to 00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:44.010 look at the 21 codes. And so would that mean assuming 00:46:44.010 --> 00:46:47.230 they did go to new code saying 2023 would you then 00:46:47.230 --> 00:46:51.480 adjust your program in 2024 or? Absolutely, absolutely 00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:53.409 What what we do? And I'm sure a lot of the other 00:46:53.409 --> 00:46:56.349 utilities on an annual basis. We are able to look at 00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:59.099 our ERCOT transformation programs if they perform well 00:46:59.099 --> 00:47:01.570 don't perform well if they're achieving more than the 00:47:01.570 --> 00:47:04.699 savings and not beyond the savings, I've had the opportunity 00:47:04.710 --> 00:47:07.400 to do it in other portfolios and other states where 00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:10.130 we do a three year plan. Um, the one benefit about 00:47:10.139 --> 00:47:12.570 having it on a one year plans. We are able to adjust 00:47:12.579 --> 00:47:16.050 accordingly in real time, not as fast as we would want 00:47:16.050 --> 00:47:18.289 it to be, but we are able to see it and then 00:47:18.289 --> 00:47:20.329 adjust are based on those requirements. 00:47:22.179 --> 00:47:24.780 I think it's also important to note even if they do 00:47:24.789 --> 00:47:27.940 go to that new code, there's a rollout period. 00:47:29.929 --> 00:47:32.760 Can sometimes spot here. Right. I mean it takes a lot 00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:36.619 of sitting a lot longer to. Okay, so that that's something 00:47:36.619 --> 00:47:39.440 that we need to take into consideration because we're 00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:42.659 still trying to push the ERCOT and, and to be clear 00:47:42.670 --> 00:47:47.429 I would be in favor of even getting credit for helping 00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:50.269 educate people meet the code because I think there 00:47:50.269 --> 00:47:53.380 are a lot of cities where no one's, I mean, I don't 00:47:53.380 --> 00:47:55.639 think Austin's example, but there are a lot of cities 00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:57.659 where frankly people aren't really meeting the code 00:47:57.659 --> 00:48:01.690 So anything you guys can do to help we have in the 00:48:01.699 --> 00:48:05.070 DFW area, we do have cities that are already at home 00:48:05.570 --> 00:48:08.409 So we have a variety of cities to your point that does 00:48:08.409 --> 00:48:10.400 not meet code yet. And there are some TVs that are 00:48:10.409 --> 00:48:13.150 are already a quote even beyond what we could offer 00:48:13.150 --> 00:48:14.289 for energy efficiency. 00:48:16.670 --> 00:48:20.099 We did a consumption analysis not that long ago, maybe 00:48:20.099 --> 00:48:22.500 two years ago on new homes. And you could really see 00:48:22.500 --> 00:48:25.829 the difference of the savings you had. So for example 00:48:25.829 --> 00:48:29.369 enter jeez territory mark. So the Woodlands looked 00:48:29.369 --> 00:48:32.340 pretty good. But then, I mean there were still savings 00:48:32.340 --> 00:48:35.460 but wow, we're they're savings when you got over, you 00:48:35.460 --> 00:48:39.860 know, further east. Um so you could really see within 00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:44.309 one utility differences in the savings compared to 00:48:44.309 --> 00:48:47.110 another participating homes. All depends on the building 00:48:47.110 --> 00:48:47.599 officials. 00:48:53.969 --> 00:48:56.590 Alright, if there are no more questions on this slide 00:48:56.590 --> 00:49:01.030 I'll go over to the next slide, please Thank you lark 00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:04.429 So for 2022, what are the new programs that we have 00:49:04.440 --> 00:49:07.670 for our portfolio? Um I'll start with the winter commercial 00:49:07.670 --> 00:49:10.130 load management. Of course, Gary has had the opportunity 00:49:10.139 --> 00:49:14.690 to talk very in detail. Um what that program is. Um 00:49:14.699 --> 00:49:16.840 I'll touch on it very quickly quickly. The program 00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:19.780 does start in December of the prior program year until 00:49:19.780 --> 00:49:22.670 February of the current program here. We recognize 00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:25.530 that program as part of this year because the payout 00:49:25.539 --> 00:49:28.219 and the savings will be recognized for this year. Um 00:49:28.230 --> 00:49:34.559 It is a 24 hour 24 7 operation last year. He's to 00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:36.679 Gary's point. We stood up the program in three weeks 00:49:36.679 --> 00:49:39.130 which only left us about a week for recruitment. So 00:49:39.139 --> 00:49:41.710 kudos to my encore team kudos to my program manager 00:49:41.710 --> 00:49:45.110 to be able to stand that up very quickly. Um It's safe 00:49:45.110 --> 00:49:47.190 to say it wasn't easy and we didn't make sure we adhere 00:49:47.190 --> 00:49:51.000 to the order that came out in notifying participants 00:49:51.369 --> 00:49:54.949 Um rapid records as well as notifying ERCOT I will 00:49:54.949 --> 00:49:58.289 go back to a strategic energy management ERCOT transformation 00:49:58.289 --> 00:50:01.619 program. So this is a program that caters to the commercial 00:50:01.619 --> 00:50:05.139 sector. It's a custom fit energy concierge approach 00:50:05.150 --> 00:50:08.420 approach. It's essentially a relationship building 00:50:08.420 --> 00:50:12.230 approach where our service provider goes and reaches 00:50:12.230 --> 00:50:15.550 out to the large commercial industrial, those that 00:50:15.550 --> 00:50:19.079 have not opted out of E. CRF as well as our agricultural 00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:22.869 customers to talk to them about an action plan. Look 00:50:22.869 --> 00:50:25.550 at their current operation and where they can change 00:50:25.550 --> 00:50:28.730 their operations from current to um to a better state 00:50:28.739 --> 00:50:31.360 More energy efficiency state. Um A variety of measures 00:50:31.360 --> 00:50:34.090 that goes with this are your prescriptive measures 00:50:34.099 --> 00:50:37.289 in addition to retro commissioning and again it's it's 00:50:37.289 --> 00:50:42.010 a it develops ongoing coaching as well as support to 00:50:42.019 --> 00:50:46.230 the personnel of that specific premise. Um As I mentioned 00:50:46.230 --> 00:50:49.570 earlier we are also introducing H. V. A. C. Tuneup 00:50:49.579 --> 00:50:55.329 program in 2023. And so currently in current state 00:50:55.340 --> 00:50:58.559 we do offer H. V. A. C. Measures to are hard to 00:50:58.559 --> 00:51:01.420 reach program but there is difficulty in the optic 00:51:01.429 --> 00:51:03.750 for that because it is still expensive even for the 00:51:03.750 --> 00:51:06.530 hard to reach customers. When we design and look at 00:51:06.530 --> 00:51:09.800 our programs, we always want to make sure that commercial 00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:12.420 sector hard to reach sector residential sector, it's 00:51:12.420 --> 00:51:15.889 across the board. Um You would notice that there are 00:51:15.900 --> 00:51:19.139 there are a lot more program designs and measures coming 00:51:19.139 --> 00:51:21.289 through for a commercial but we want to make sure we're 00:51:21.300 --> 00:51:24.210 able to focus also on our heart to reach and the H 00:51:24.210 --> 00:51:27.260 V. A. C. Tune up is one of those that we designed 00:51:27.260 --> 00:51:31.130 to be able to overcome those ERCOT barriers where we 00:51:31.130 --> 00:51:33.360 provide little to no additional cost to the customer 00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:38.210 on a C. System to nuts. Um Similarly, additional program 00:51:38.210 --> 00:51:41.730 updates for this year is we have added commercial measures 00:51:41.739 --> 00:51:45.389 into additional commercial measures that's in the TRM 00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:48.579 for the standard offer commercial standard offer program 00:51:49.559 --> 00:51:52.909 We've added about eight. this includes lodging, guest 00:51:52.909 --> 00:51:55.539 room, occupancy, sensor controls, demand controlled 00:51:55.550 --> 00:51:59.679 kitchen ventilation, ventilation, condenser, air evaporative 00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:03.440 cooling, energy star commercial ice makers, vending 00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:05.670 machine, I think I mentioned vending machine controls 00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:07.869 Um there's about eight of them, I have them memorized 00:52:07.869 --> 00:52:09.809 last night, but obviously experts and some of them 00:52:09.809 --> 00:52:14.769 today. Um And of course, similarly we have a very successful 00:52:14.769 --> 00:52:18.309 retail products program platform. Currently it's lighting 00:52:18.309 --> 00:52:22.230 and smart thermostat. We do want to, we're moving along 00:52:22.230 --> 00:52:25.869 with the ERCOT. So this year 2022 we will be introducing 00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:29.070 non lighting measures into our retail products platform 00:52:29.650 --> 00:52:32.829 Um we've caveat about six. We plan to roll out in the 00:52:32.829 --> 00:52:36.780 next three years. This year it will be air purifiers 00:52:36.789 --> 00:52:40.150 advanced power strips and roommates is and this will 00:52:40.159 --> 00:52:45.260 be offered through our retail channels. Um residential 00:52:45.260 --> 00:52:47.980 solar. So this is what I mentioned earlier, we have 00:52:47.980 --> 00:52:51.199 been seeing a large uptick in our solar programs. What's 00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:54.829 new this year is we will be incentivizing solar systems 00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:58.119 for only for those that have battery storage. We're 00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:00.480 not claiming any savings from the battery storage, 00:53:00.849 --> 00:53:03.349 but we are, as I mentioned earlier, moving with the 00:53:03.349 --> 00:53:07.150 ERCOT because we are seeing an increase of solar programs 00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:11.139 that have better storage systems. Um We're not doing 00:53:11.139 --> 00:53:13.610 anything with pattern storage, but we are just using 00:53:13.610 --> 00:53:18.340 it as a qualifier for solar program. And last but not 00:53:18.340 --> 00:53:21.110 the least. Again, low income program, We always want 00:53:21.110 --> 00:53:25.099 to make sure we're able to cater to the ERCOT. So this 00:53:25.099 --> 00:53:28.000 year we have, we are providing our H. V A C. Program 00:53:28.000 --> 00:53:30.380 with a smart thermostat bundle and this is offered 00:53:30.389 --> 00:53:32.880 through our heart to reach standard offer program. 00:53:34.849 --> 00:53:39.260 Um that's that's uh this is all my updates for encore 00:53:39.269 --> 00:53:41.769 As I mentioned earlier on an annual basis. We always 00:53:41.780 --> 00:53:44.530 make sure we look at our current portfolio where we're 00:53:44.530 --> 00:53:48.710 going. We have um we've opened up an incubator program 00:53:48.719 --> 00:53:52.739 and have also opened a ideas solution site on or take 00:53:52.739 --> 00:53:55.900 a load of texas, the website for encore energy efficiency 00:53:56.150 --> 00:53:59.739 This will allow for companies, individuals that wants 00:53:59.739 --> 00:54:02.570 to submit an idea into encore. They would be able to 00:54:02.579 --> 00:54:04.619 do it through a site especially if they don't know 00:54:04.630 --> 00:54:06.050 anyone with an encore yet. 00:54:07.739 --> 00:54:14.170 Um, questions that's not. Do your PV programs include 00:54:14.170 --> 00:54:21.380 a requirement for um island thermostat inverter? Not 00:54:21.389 --> 00:54:25.000 yet. That that is a question that has come up um to 00:54:25.010 --> 00:54:28.449 do that because because there's gonna be a lot of customers 00:54:28.449 --> 00:54:32.829 were piste off they get if you have helped them buy 00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:36.940 a tv unit that does not keep their lights on. The good 00:54:36.940 --> 00:54:40.380 news is the majority of our aggregators work directly 00:54:40.380 --> 00:54:42.320 with the customers so they are able to provide the 00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:45.329 education. We have had several conversations with that 00:54:45.340 --> 00:54:48.679 coming up. So that to your point that is also part 00:54:48.679 --> 00:54:52.480 of it if you're going to only do that for people who 00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:55.789 already have batteries, you should also be helping 00:54:55.789 --> 00:54:58.719 out by requiring that they're being programming that 00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:02.460 enables the battery to actually work with the PV and 00:55:02.460 --> 00:55:08.159 also to discharge as the tv as the sun goes down. Absolutely 00:55:10.139 --> 00:55:13.030 yes, ma'am, I need some more details about the solar 00:55:13.030 --> 00:55:15.059 programs you're talking about with the battery storage 00:55:15.059 --> 00:55:17.940 that are in your easier, like who gets to participate 00:55:18.639 --> 00:55:24.030 So these are residential customers, I'm not sure we 00:55:24.030 --> 00:55:26.880 have a limitation in third party, like retail electric 00:55:26.900 --> 00:55:29.960 provider or like, so when we, all of our programs are 00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:32.280 offered through a third party, so it's through a service 00:55:32.280 --> 00:55:36.139 provider. Majority special majority of them are all 00:55:36.150 --> 00:55:37.750 solar service providers, 00:55:40.639 --> 00:55:45.849 um multi family, So on the, on the low income program 00:55:45.849 --> 00:55:49.860 is that for for a single family home or does that include 00:55:49.860 --> 00:55:55.519 multi family? So you can do a C tune ups, like if 00:55:55.519 --> 00:55:58.139 there's a big unit for the whole building, will you 00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:03.380 You'll include that. That's good. So, are those programs 00:56:03.380 --> 00:56:07.110 reaching out directly to the building owner and manager 00:56:07.530 --> 00:56:10.739 So we have, we will have an implementer for this program 00:56:10.750 --> 00:56:13.409 And yes, the implementer will have a service provider 00:56:13.409 --> 00:56:15.750 where the service provider will reach out directly 00:56:15.750 --> 00:56:19.460 to the building owners or single family homes. Mhm 00:56:21.829 --> 00:56:25.519 Why not break break it up so that you are doing a 00:56:25.530 --> 00:56:31.519 separate specific for the multi family dwellings because 00:56:31.530 --> 00:56:34.230 that's a completely different sales process and a completely 00:56:34.230 --> 00:56:36.590 different customer and a completely different product 00:56:36.590 --> 00:56:39.110 and service suite. Absolutely. So we actually have 00:56:39.110 --> 00:56:43.639 a very successful multi family um program are implementer 00:56:43.650 --> 00:56:46.760 has, has a multi family system and to your point has 00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:49.809 a very different process. It's such as across across 00:56:49.809 --> 00:56:53.110 the board. So one of the questions or one of the designs 00:56:53.110 --> 00:56:55.800 that we're looking at is do we have an implementer 00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:59.119 Talk to a separate implementer that can just Reach 00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:02.059 directly to multifamily because to your point, it's 00:57:02.059 --> 00:57:05.449 a very different process and how you conduct your conversation 00:57:05.460 --> 00:57:08.590 between multifamily and single family. Um this is a 00:57:08.599 --> 00:57:11.610 program for 2023. So we are looking at all the details 00:57:11.610 --> 00:57:14.340 for that in 2022, so we can be successful for that 00:57:14.349 --> 00:57:18.119 year. It will cater to both. And yes, we will make 00:57:18.119 --> 00:57:20.550 sure that there will, there will be successes in the 00:57:20.550 --> 00:57:24.059 recruitment process for both multi family and single 00:57:24.059 --> 00:57:24.550 family 00:57:30.230 --> 00:57:32.900 if there are no more questions. Thank you very much 00:57:32.900 --> 00:57:41.550 for your time. Thank you, Shay, are you presenting 00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:45.719 for center pool? Yes, actually we're gonna. Okay, great 00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:46.539 wonderful. 00:57:49.730 --> 00:57:51.659 Do you want do you want me to do? 00:57:57.519 --> 00:58:02.449 I was hoping someone had a coffee if somebody asked 00:58:02.820 --> 00:58:11.139 questions. So yeah, okay, I'll start us off. So I'm 00:58:11.139 --> 00:58:13.400 share Richardson, I'm actually our energy efficiency 00:58:13.409 --> 00:58:16.760 compliance manager and I have well, I can't let her 00:58:16.760 --> 00:58:19.940 speak for somebody like Shawn johnson, his order. Hi 00:58:19.940 --> 00:58:22.239 everybody. I'm Keyshawn johnson, I'm the program implementation 00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:25.300 manager for Centerpoint. So we're gonna pass split 00:58:25.300 --> 00:58:27.130 in today's presentation. I'm gonna talk about the first 00:58:27.130 --> 00:58:30.860 couple of um, well not boring but number of slides 00:58:30.860 --> 00:58:33.650 and kind of our plans and that gonna talk about some 00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:36.199 a new initiative we're working on and some things that 00:58:36.199 --> 00:58:38.079 were really been excited about that. We've been doing 00:58:38.079 --> 00:58:40.559 the past few years and we're gonna be part of our plan 00:58:40.559 --> 00:58:43.840 going forward. So I guess with that Mark, if you could 00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:46.389 just move the next slide and I'll just briefly go over 00:58:46.389 --> 00:58:49.929 I think Most folks have probably seen this as our current 00:58:49.940 --> 00:58:55.000 plan for our 2022 program here. It looks very similar 00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:57.800 to what we have implemented the past. You know, we 00:58:57.800 --> 00:58:58.449 have made, 00:59:00.420 --> 00:59:02.739 as jean said, we do the same thing at some point. We're 00:59:02.989 --> 00:59:05.039 looking at programs where we can modify what we need 00:59:05.050 --> 00:59:08.809 new programs where we can change do things. So a couple 00:59:08.809 --> 00:59:12.019 of things to point out on that. On the commercial side 00:59:12.030 --> 00:59:16.099 Again, the program looks very similar are Commercial 00:59:16.099 --> 00:59:21.269 Standard offer program, which is, you know, a few years 00:59:21.269 --> 00:59:24.420 ago we had, we've kind of seen a decline participation 00:59:24.420 --> 00:59:28.710 last couple years. We've seen that program a lot of 00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:31.250 interest and I think what we've seen a diverse number 00:59:31.250 --> 00:59:34.469 of kind of measures and projects. That program has 00:59:34.469 --> 00:59:37.019 been going very strong. We expect that to continue 00:59:37.030 --> 00:59:41.219 our ERCOT transformation program is really a bundle 00:59:41.230 --> 00:59:45.539 that target specific segments. Uh schools and cities 00:59:45.550 --> 00:59:48.989 being at the school component healthcare and then data 00:59:48.989 --> 00:59:51.599 centers, we're going to continue to see that we we've 00:59:51.610 --> 00:59:53.679 done a lot of innovative projects at data centers, 00:59:53.679 --> 00:59:56.579 so we're continue to look for that. One of the things 00:59:56.579 --> 00:59:58.809 I do want to mention on the commercial side is, I think 00:59:58.820 --> 01:00:01.039 last year when we were, well we weren't here last year 01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:04.360 but we had this meeting virtually one of the things 01:00:04.360 --> 01:00:07.360 that we highlighted as an upcoming program, really 01:00:07.360 --> 01:00:12.500 a new pilot for us was the the chef. Well, it's commercial 01:00:12.500 --> 01:00:14.599 high efficiency food service, we call it chef because 01:00:14.599 --> 01:00:17.969 it's really a food service pilot. We had opportunity 01:00:18.139 --> 01:00:22.969 um with new measures in the TRM for commercial kitchen 01:00:22.969 --> 01:00:26.730 equipment and, you know, food service equipment that 01:00:27.309 --> 01:00:31.550 we really thought it was a good opportunity to incorporate 01:00:31.550 --> 01:00:34.059 that into a patrol. And we thought, well let's let's 01:00:34.070 --> 01:00:37.099 let's look at an entire new program offering. So we 01:00:37.099 --> 01:00:39.329 developed a pilot and it was very interesting because 01:00:39.329 --> 01:00:43.030 that was also kind of a ERCOT segment. We thought that 01:00:43.610 --> 01:00:46.150 you know, we could we could use something else really 01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:49.300 quickly to help them. So after our first year of implementation 01:00:49.309 --> 01:00:52.239 uh you know, it's uh you know, I think it went well 01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:55.750 it's it was certainly, mhm, a challenge at first, just 01:00:55.750 --> 01:00:57.309 like the training program, getting it started getting 01:00:57.309 --> 01:00:59.230 off the ground, but we're looking to continue that 01:00:59.230 --> 01:01:02.889 we've we've we've seen quite a few different types 01:01:02.889 --> 01:01:05.639 of measures. It's a mystery model. So, so that's kind 01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:08.099 of a key one that we want to focus on and we're 01:01:08.099 --> 01:01:10.920 really, really hoping to continue to do that and make 01:01:10.920 --> 01:01:15.670 it successful on the residential side again. You know 01:01:15.670 --> 01:01:20.260 we've got a mix of standard offer and commercial programs 01:01:21.610 --> 01:01:25.829 You know, one big 1 in the last presentation discussing 01:01:25.829 --> 01:01:29.309 new home construction, that's one that we're continuing 01:01:29.309 --> 01:01:33.030 to be an important program for us. Um certainly Cyrus 01:01:33.030 --> 01:01:36.889 we are aware of, You know, Cisco and looking at the 01:01:36.889 --> 01:01:40.690 new IECC and um, you know, we will adjust with that 01:01:40.690 --> 01:01:43.679 right now. Our baseline is 2015 I cc but certainly 01:01:43.679 --> 01:01:46.130 we would adjust and you know, that's another one. We'll 01:01:46.139 --> 01:01:50.030 look, I know the Lord can tell you um, a couple years 01:01:50.030 --> 01:01:52.900 ago in the evaluations there was some really good feedback 01:01:52.900 --> 01:01:55.519 around, you know, we want to continue to move the ERCOT 01:01:55.519 --> 01:02:01.639 as well and trying to focus on specific measures and 01:02:01.639 --> 01:02:03.679 technologies, whether it's a truck and other things 01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:06.159 So that's something that we're going to continue to 01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:08.309 evaluate that program and and you know, for this year 01:02:08.309 --> 01:02:11.320 in the future just to make sure that we are keeping 01:02:11.320 --> 01:02:15.789 him successful moving the ERCOT. Um, I guess kind of 01:02:15.789 --> 01:02:18.039 some other key points, you know, our our standard offer 01:02:18.050 --> 01:02:22.889 program is one that we are seeing, we've seen a lot 01:02:22.889 --> 01:02:26.380 more that that program has kind of changed. We're seeing 01:02:26.389 --> 01:02:28.800 a lot of H Vac and a lot of solar, a lot 01:02:28.800 --> 01:02:33.599 of PV the last couple of years where as um before years 01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:36.000 ago that that was not, not a measure that we've seen 01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:38.230 a lot so that 01:02:40.500 --> 01:02:44.010 photovoltaic systems have been a significant component 01:02:44.019 --> 01:02:48.110 of the residential standard offer program and then 01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:50.130 just got on the hard to reach side. LaShawn is gonna 01:02:50.139 --> 01:02:54.929 talk a little bit more about some of the other, some 01:02:54.929 --> 01:02:56.980 of the other things we're doing there. But you know 01:02:56.980 --> 01:02:58.519 I think one of the things that we continue to look 01:02:58.519 --> 01:03:01.409 at for hard to reach is how you know, we're, we're 01:03:01.409 --> 01:03:03.400 doing a lot of insulation measures were doing quite 01:03:03.409 --> 01:03:06.300 we're doing a lot of pumps, whether it be through our 01:03:06.300 --> 01:03:10.349 multi family hard to reach program or um part of our 01:03:10.349 --> 01:03:13.150 targeted low income program. But I think, you know 01:03:13.170 --> 01:03:16.340 the challenge for us is to try to try to find ways 01:03:16.340 --> 01:03:21.079 to get retrofits that are as comprehensive as possible 01:03:21.090 --> 01:03:24.369 for low income customers. So I think that will continue 01:03:24.380 --> 01:03:26.219 something we'll continue to look at. It would be a 01:03:26.219 --> 01:03:29.159 challenge. But uh, you know excited about going forward 01:03:29.159 --> 01:03:31.360 and I think that pretty much you can do the next slide 01:03:31.360 --> 01:03:33.510 or listen to any questions about this kind of move 01:03:33.510 --> 01:03:36.889 on basically. I talked through everything in my first 01:03:36.889 --> 01:03:39.670 two slides while still on the, on the, on the first 01:03:39.670 --> 01:03:45.179 slide, but as far as 2023 20 for, you know, for 24 01:03:45.179 --> 01:03:49.880 I think for 2023 look for a portfolio that's very, 01:03:50.210 --> 01:03:52.570 you know, obviously we're getting close to being done 01:03:52.570 --> 01:03:54.550 in our planning process. I think our portfolio will 01:03:54.550 --> 01:03:58.929 look um, it's going to look very similar. Just listen 01:03:58.929 --> 01:04:03.320 tweets for 2024, you know, I think that's That's something 01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:05.219 that we're constantly evaluating. I don't want to speak 01:04:05.230 --> 01:04:08.610 too much on how our next program will work. But I think 01:04:08.619 --> 01:04:11.159 what you'll see in the Congress 2023 is that we'll 01:04:11.159 --> 01:04:14.820 continue to do a lot of things we've done. Um, and 01:04:14.829 --> 01:04:17.380 you know, we're just going to try to refine that in 01:04:17.380 --> 01:04:20.030 terms of our delivery approach and our budgets 01:04:21.590 --> 01:04:24.159 looking forward to a successful year. Is there any 01:04:24.170 --> 01:04:27.719 questions? He thumps inverter compressor or the older 01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:34.590 technology. Oh, because we know that the older technology 01:04:34.590 --> 01:04:37.880 isn't going to work in winter Storm fury kind of conditions 01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:41.219 that will help us. Yeah. You know, I have to, I can't 01:04:41.219 --> 01:04:43.119 tell you my head around the mix. 01:04:44.869 --> 01:04:48.820 So the suggestion is no mix only the new ones. That's 01:04:48.820 --> 01:04:49.460 your suggestion. 01:04:51.550 --> 01:04:54.760 If your goal is to be able to actually save energy 01:04:54.760 --> 01:04:57.480 and kilowatt hours, use a heat pump that will deliver 01:05:00.690 --> 01:05:03.090 and you've got one in Houston, you've got a manufacturing 01:05:03.090 --> 01:05:07.679 Houston that mexican. Yeah, we do. Um, how close are 01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:12.510 you guys to your cost caps? We, um, 01:05:14.789 --> 01:05:20.239 and I guess speaking for this particular year, we're 01:05:20.239 --> 01:05:24.039 pretty close on the commercial side and just kind of 01:05:24.039 --> 01:05:25.809 going back to your presentation, that was one of the 01:05:25.809 --> 01:05:29.500 things that we looked at. You know, we too had a winter 01:05:29.500 --> 01:05:31.519 load major program. We chose not to do that through 01:05:31.519 --> 01:05:35.010 energy efficiency. One of the reasons why is, I mean 01:05:35.010 --> 01:05:38.050 there was a number of reasons why, but we we were getting 01:05:38.059 --> 01:05:41.630 pretty close on the we still have a, I think a possibility 01:05:41.630 --> 01:05:45.000 on the residential side. Um and I'm not speaking, we 01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:47.320 have to look at the numbers around what next year's 01:05:47.320 --> 01:05:50.750 cost caps look like inflation changed and everything 01:05:50.750 --> 01:05:53.880 like that, but pretty close on the, on the commercial 01:05:53.880 --> 01:05:56.070 side, which we haven't been in the past, we've got 01:05:56.070 --> 01:05:59.380 some more room and residential. We do. We do. And so 01:05:59.389 --> 01:06:02.940 um that's where, you know, it's, it's we're having 01:06:02.949 --> 01:06:04.289 to really to really 01:06:06.280 --> 01:06:08.440 optimize where we spend our days. I mean, obviously 01:06:08.440 --> 01:06:10.199 in every every program is certainly on the commercial 01:06:10.199 --> 01:06:11.579 side, that's where we're, 01:06:13.880 --> 01:06:16.969 you know, we're one of the challenges to add, you know 01:06:16.969 --> 01:06:18.889 something significantly bigger, like a winter road 01:06:18.889 --> 01:06:19.710 management or something 01:06:21.380 --> 01:06:24.760 or the commission could raise the cost caps. Just a 01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:28.650 thought. Yeah, well you can see where that goes and 01:06:28.650 --> 01:06:32.079 again, I want to make sure I probably should know this 01:06:32.090 --> 01:06:35.719 and I can get you, but I'm not sure looking at what 01:06:35.730 --> 01:06:36.329 those 01:06:37.969 --> 01:06:41.429 also the cost kept changing every year. And so there 01:06:41.590 --> 01:06:51.010 it's I know 2020 four or Yeah, 2020, 23 is going to 01:06:51.019 --> 01:06:57.380 be different just with changes in cBf and I'm not sure 01:06:57.380 --> 01:07:01.900 what that well do I can't, I can't at this point I 01:07:01.900 --> 01:07:04.400 don't know the numbers on the top of my head but we 01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:05.030 have been closed 01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:12.369 Russian imports. Does that help and energy efficiency 01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:16.219 You've got the wrong person. 01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:21.210 Same question before about affordable tags and the 01:07:21.210 --> 01:07:25.960 inverter requirements. So we don't we have not put 01:07:25.969 --> 01:07:29.650 any of the same requirements that we talked about 01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:38.110 only that they match the TRM that they meet all the 01:07:38.110 --> 01:07:41.289 requirements of texas, topical references. So you know 01:07:41.289 --> 01:07:46.449 that hasn't been that we're probably a little later 01:07:46.460 --> 01:07:48.889 to I want to say later to the game in terms of 01:07:48.889 --> 01:07:52.460 the number of PV systems that we've had in our portfolio 01:07:52.469 --> 01:07:54.949 as compared to some of our utility counterparts as 01:07:54.960 --> 01:07:58.429 it's only been the last probably 2-3 years that we've 01:07:58.429 --> 01:08:00.769 seen for that. So we haven't 01:08:02.369 --> 01:08:06.070 we haven't done we haven't made any really changes 01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:08.510 in the last couple of years around adding restrictions 01:08:08.519 --> 01:08:11.550 or changing kind of what the requirements are? I would 01:08:11.550 --> 01:08:16.430 say no. And are you doing, have you been testing the 01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:20.779 level of the incentive that is required to to what 01:08:20.779 --> 01:08:24.220 degree are the prices of PV such that an incentive 01:08:24.220 --> 01:08:28.260 is required anymore or have you considered doing that 01:08:28.260 --> 01:08:32.380 on an income basis so that higher income customers 01:08:32.380 --> 01:08:35.439 who are going to install DB anyway. Don't get an incentive 01:08:35.449 --> 01:08:39.130 That's all I would say yes to both those questions 01:08:39.130 --> 01:08:42.270 So we to that specific change. No, we have not made 01:08:42.270 --> 01:08:47.319 that yet. Um but we are looking at what the appropriate 01:08:47.319 --> 01:08:49.420 sentence should be. As you mentioned, it just turned 01:08:49.869 --> 01:08:52.590 with notable taking other things just in terms of material 01:08:52.590 --> 01:08:56.399 costs. And I think you do bring up a good point around 01:08:56.399 --> 01:09:00.670 I mean it's where we haven't seen affordable take is 01:09:01.970 --> 01:09:05.210 is in our, you know, we're ranking programs, it's really 01:09:05.210 --> 01:09:08.470 been it's been a huge piece of our residential program 01:09:08.470 --> 01:09:12.210 that's not income based. So you know, in terms of looking 01:09:12.210 --> 01:09:15.989 at an incentive level. Yes, we were looking at that 01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:18.039 along with other things, the same thing with H VAC 01:09:18.050 --> 01:09:20.909 for our hard to re standoff program. It's difficult 01:09:20.920 --> 01:09:25.369 to do some of these kind of measures um and that will 01:09:26.170 --> 01:09:30.470 you know, and with cost effective, this kind of obviously 01:09:30.470 --> 01:09:33.380 have to make sure that the measures in the program 01:09:33.380 --> 01:09:36.289 is still cost effective but um to try to 01:09:37.970 --> 01:09:41.699 certainly for the lower income customers to push push 01:09:41.699 --> 01:09:43.859 that to the level that we can drive there. But that 01:09:43.859 --> 01:09:47.869 has been a challenge for the PV incentives were completely 01:09:47.869 --> 01:09:51.420 knocked out of your program. How much would that free 01:09:51.420 --> 01:09:54.859 up for you to spend on low income and multifamily? 01:09:56.569 --> 01:10:00.319 With the rationale being that we when we originally 01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:04.399 created the Tv incentive and slid that in when nobody 01:10:04.409 --> 01:10:07.930 noticed it in the energy efficiency portfolio. Standard 01:10:07.939 --> 01:10:13.630 PV was a brand new baby infant technology that was 01:10:13.640 --> 01:10:17.149 thought to need help, which clearly no longer is well 01:10:17.159 --> 01:10:20.100 if you're looking in terms of our kind of our dollars 01:10:20.100 --> 01:10:21.380 spent, what percentage 01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:26.850 it's on the slide before. Right. No, it's it's it's 01:10:26.859 --> 01:10:30.449 it's kind of it's embedded in that and most of that 01:10:30.460 --> 01:10:33.220 is going to be from that center offers programs. So 01:10:34.229 --> 01:10:36.659 I have to in terms of the actual cinema certainly had 01:10:36.670 --> 01:10:39.109 that. I don't want to throw out a number right here 01:10:39.109 --> 01:10:41.779 and be wrong. I would guess it's probably 01:10:44.060 --> 01:10:48.039 Maybe maybe maybe 30-40% of the program. But I'm saying 01:10:48.039 --> 01:10:50.350 that here now that's something I can sort of follow 01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:52.649 you on and I can show you what the incident numbers 01:10:52.659 --> 01:10:54.779 were for the past couple of years. 01:10:58.760 --> 01:11:04.079 No more questions for me. I'm waiting for LaShawn. 01:11:06.180 --> 01:11:10.039 Thank you very much everybody. LaShawn johnson. I wanted 01:11:10.039 --> 01:11:12.060 to talk to you a little bit about some of the efforts 01:11:12.060 --> 01:11:14.060 that we've made in our partnership with the City of 01:11:14.069 --> 01:11:18.590 Houston. To increase participation. Thank you to increase 01:11:18.590 --> 01:11:22.079 participation in our programs in Houston's big communities 01:11:22.460 --> 01:11:26.710 Um so through our Resilient Now program um which is 01:11:26.720 --> 01:11:29.640 a collaborative framework between the center point 01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:32.449 and the city of Houston to enhance resiliency as well 01:11:32.449 --> 01:11:34.829 as to promote the transition to sustainable energy 01:11:34.829 --> 01:11:37.689 in the greater Houston area, We are partnering with 01:11:37.689 --> 01:11:40.000 them to address the weatherization and energy efficiency 01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:43.579 needs in the complete communities now these are 10 01:11:43.590 --> 01:11:46.590 historically underserved communities in the city of 01:11:46.590 --> 01:11:50.500 Houston. Um it's home to one in six Houstonians. And 01:11:50.500 --> 01:11:53.750 so we are partnering with the city agency, community 01:11:53.750 --> 01:11:57.180 agencies and leaders in those areas to really promote 01:11:57.180 --> 01:12:00.069 our energy efficiency programs. We specifically honed 01:12:00.069 --> 01:12:02.720 in on our agencies and action program which does our 01:12:02.720 --> 01:12:05.460 single family weatherization as well as our residential 01:12:05.460 --> 01:12:08.140 cool saver program. And so some of the things that 01:12:08.140 --> 01:12:10.899 we have done and it's more around our customer outreach 01:12:10.899 --> 01:12:13.960 strategy to really be focused and get into the neighborhoods 01:12:13.960 --> 01:12:16.600 so that people can understand what's available to them 01:12:16.600 --> 01:12:19.739 and how they can participate. Um We start to do more 01:12:19.750 --> 01:12:21.970 kind of boots on the ground, things like going to farmers 01:12:21.970 --> 01:12:26.710 markets, participating in community events. Um We partnered 01:12:26.720 --> 01:12:28.829 while we're playing to partner with H. I. S. D. Which 01:12:28.829 --> 01:12:31.409 is our local school district so that we can get materials 01:12:31.409 --> 01:12:34.270 and collateral to the families through the students 01:12:34.850 --> 01:12:37.479 Um And then another piece of this is what we've done 01:12:37.479 --> 01:12:40.180 is we've collaborated with the city to launch our Complete 01:12:40.180 --> 01:12:42.670 Communities home improvement program. So one of the 01:12:42.680 --> 01:12:45.810 gaps that we've seen for participants in these communities 01:12:45.810 --> 01:12:48.710 is that there really is a issue there with deferred 01:12:48.710 --> 01:12:51.220 maintenance and so they really don't qualify for our 01:12:51.229 --> 01:12:53.449 programs because there are things like holes and sheet 01:12:53.460 --> 01:12:55.470 rock, there's mold, there's there's work that needs 01:12:55.470 --> 01:12:58.000 to be done in the home and so we have worked with 01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:01.220 the city to launch this homework pair program to really 01:13:01.220 --> 01:13:04.079 support those needs so that we can repair the home 01:13:04.079 --> 01:13:06.329 and then follow them through so that they can participate 01:13:06.329 --> 01:13:07.159 in our programs. 01:13:11.850 --> 01:13:14.109 Any questions about some of the work we're doing, they're 01:13:14.109 --> 01:13:17.729 some of the customer outreach, the focus that we have 01:13:17.729 --> 01:13:21.380 in the space. Mhm. And this is all being done through 01:13:21.380 --> 01:13:24.800 the through the energy efficiency programs or this 01:13:24.800 --> 01:13:27.270 involves separate, so this is all done through the 01:13:27.270 --> 01:13:29.430 energy efficiency programs. Short of the home repair 01:13:29.430 --> 01:13:31.569 program. This is a program that is with the city of 01:13:31.569 --> 01:13:34.369 Houston. We launched it with them in collaboration 01:13:34.380 --> 01:13:36.909 We provided the seed funding for the program. Okay 01:13:36.920 --> 01:13:40.100 and is that seed funding out of this energy efficiency 01:13:40.100 --> 01:13:40.430 budget 01:13:43.439 --> 01:13:43.880 china 01:13:46.050 --> 01:13:49.140 when you go out and outreach into the what what do 01:13:49.140 --> 01:13:51.979 you specifically provide education to provide measures 01:13:52.550 --> 01:13:56.449 We provide education. So we um we we participate in 01:13:57.149 --> 01:14:01.260 neighborhood and action um um like the super neighborhood 01:14:01.270 --> 01:14:04.449 association meetings that they have where we specifically 01:14:04.449 --> 01:14:06.300 come in and we do presentations and talk about the 01:14:06.310 --> 01:14:09.520 programs um talk about the benefits, talk about the 01:14:09.520 --> 01:14:12.170 savings, talk about what the qualifications would be 01:14:12.180 --> 01:14:14.739 um and make sure they have easy access to understand 01:14:14.750 --> 01:14:17.649 how they participate in the program. So it's mostly 01:14:17.649 --> 01:14:21.390 around education. One of the things that we found, 01:14:21.399 --> 01:14:24.199 one of the things that we found is that we kind of 01:14:24.199 --> 01:14:28.329 like blindly sent out um emails or door knockers or 01:14:28.329 --> 01:14:29.880 things like that. People really don't believe that 01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:32.960 the programs are valid or true. So we really need to 01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:35.449 kind of put a face with the programs. 01:14:37.640 --> 01:14:40.550 Sorry can you say you talk about the programs? Can 01:14:40.550 --> 01:14:42.710 you give like two or three examples of what the programs 01:14:42.710 --> 01:14:45.050 are that you're talking to people about? Yes. So the 01:14:45.060 --> 01:14:47.100 first that we're targeting is our agencies and action 01:14:47.100 --> 01:14:49.640 program which is where we have our single family weatherization 01:14:49.640 --> 01:14:53.029 program. And so this is where we have measures for 01:14:53.039 --> 01:14:56.510 um we have to be a c measures, we have ceiling and 01:14:56.510 --> 01:14:58.800 wall insulation, we have solar screens, we have air 01:14:58.800 --> 01:15:02.029 infiltration and then the Cool saver program is our 01:15:02.039 --> 01:15:04.159 H VAC Macy tuneup program. 01:15:07.210 --> 01:15:09.810 This program is done through a third party or they're 01:15:09.810 --> 01:15:10.960 both done through a third party. 01:15:13.840 --> 01:15:16.550 So the first the agencies and actions we partner with 01:15:16.560 --> 01:15:19.710 local nonprofits to do our customer intake and then 01:15:19.710 --> 01:15:21.859 we have an implementer that implements that program 01:15:21.869 --> 01:15:23.460 with the work that's done on the package. 01:15:25.340 --> 01:15:28.500 What's the conversion rate with the home repair program 01:15:28.500 --> 01:15:31.510 going to the energy efficiency programs. So this is 01:15:31.510 --> 01:15:33.279 the first year that we are launching that. So we don't 01:15:33.279 --> 01:15:34.760 have that information just yet. 01:15:36.439 --> 01:15:39.479 I would just add that. That's if I can I think of 01:15:39.489 --> 01:15:40.970 the home repair program 01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:45.800 must be from Shawn. But one of the issues is we were 01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:51.199 trying to help is assessing homes where mentioned that 01:15:51.210 --> 01:15:54.520 there's other issues with the home that don't allow 01:15:54.529 --> 01:15:58.310 us or our service providers to do the kind of comprehensive 01:15:58.310 --> 01:16:01.449 updates that we would like to do. And so hopefully 01:16:01.449 --> 01:16:04.649 with the home repair, it's a pipeline where it's kind 01:16:04.649 --> 01:16:07.239 of outside of energy efficiency. But it can give us 01:16:07.239 --> 01:16:10.880 a pipeline of homes that are ready to to do those kind 01:16:10.880 --> 01:16:11.130 of 01:16:14.029 --> 01:16:17.229 is anybody running a cash for Clunkers program for 01:16:17.229 --> 01:16:18.250 air conditioners? 01:16:20.329 --> 01:16:23.890 Because if if you if it's a little better a c why 01:16:23.890 --> 01:16:27.050 bother? I mean, we're doing it to not make any difference 01:16:27.529 --> 01:16:29.100 Just make it less crappy. Right. 01:16:32.329 --> 01:16:35.020 Yeah. If it's not functioning. Right, 01:16:38.479 --> 01:16:43.529 okay. Thank you. But on that side there is simply made 01:16:43.529 --> 01:16:46.859 the choice to double the incentive for upgrading H 01:16:46.859 --> 01:16:50.380 Vac this year for these 10 these 10 communities to 01:16:50.380 --> 01:16:53.789 entice the trade Allies to focus on these communities 01:16:54.229 --> 01:16:57.170 And put higher efficient equipment in because the center 01:16:57.170 --> 01:17:00.439 points doubling the ERCOT rate incentive for them. 01:17:00.449 --> 01:17:02.529 And so there's outreach the trade allies and distributors 01:17:02.529 --> 01:17:05.979 to focus on these 10 communities this year. And it 01:17:05.979 --> 01:17:09.079 is brand new this year. So that's a structural change 01:17:09.079 --> 01:17:11.770 in the incentive matrix that happened just January 01:17:11.779 --> 01:17:15.979 one. Thank you to entice participation. That's very 01:17:15.979 --> 01:17:16.939 exciting. Thank you. 01:17:20.930 --> 01:17:24.609 Is the agencies are the are the folks who you're working 01:17:24.609 --> 01:17:28.090 with on the targeted low income, Are those the same 01:17:28.100 --> 01:17:33.359 organizations that are working with the federal Wet 01:17:33.359 --> 01:17:37.569 money or those two separate. See what I'm asking. Like 01:17:37.569 --> 01:17:40.029 there's the federal govt money that goes through th 01:17:40.029 --> 01:17:43.189 th that goes to the to the community action networks 01:17:43.189 --> 01:17:46.090 Are those the same? I don't believe that these agencies 01:17:46.100 --> 01:17:50.340 participate in different that's a separate Okay, 01:17:55.529 --> 01:17:56.460 any other questions 01:17:59.229 --> 01:18:01.949 Because we have some new stakeholders that you might 01:18:01.960 --> 01:18:06.189 be interested that their agency's program saves 20% 01:18:06.199 --> 01:18:09.279 annual consumption, although income bills is what we 01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:10.979 saw through our consumption analysis. 01:18:14.819 --> 01:18:21.149 All right, thank you all very much. We appreciate it 01:18:21.619 --> 01:18:21.850 Mhm. 01:18:29.220 --> 01:18:32.449 Just to let everyone know, we have two more ERCOT utilities 01:18:32.449 --> 01:18:34.289 that are presenting and then we're gonna take a break 01:18:34.300 --> 01:18:36.579 and come back with another ERCOT utility. So people 01:18:36.579 --> 01:18:40.039 are wondering that that hasn't been up for a while 01:18:40.819 --> 01:18:42.529 and I won't take up a lot of your time. 01:18:44.500 --> 01:18:49.029 My name is robert Cavazos, I'm with a p texas and Mhm 01:18:49.520 --> 01:18:54.760 Our portfolio is as such, we don't have a grand portfolio 01:18:54.760 --> 01:18:58.050 like the previous ones that you have. Our portfolio 01:18:58.050 --> 01:19:00.800 has been running really well for the last several years 01:19:00.810 --> 01:19:05.729 Uh we do some minor tweaks here and there just to stay 01:19:05.739 --> 01:19:12.619 relevant and you know, stay cost effective. We do monitor 01:19:12.619 --> 01:19:16.069 that regularly, but as you can see we're still around 01:19:16.069 --> 01:19:20.729 $17, $18 million dollar range. Okay, so we're staying 01:19:20.739 --> 01:19:25.020 very close to that. We look into other programs and 01:19:25.520 --> 01:19:28.140 these programs to make sure they're cost effective 01:19:28.140 --> 01:19:30.939 and keep moving along next slide. 01:19:33.220 --> 01:19:39.289 Here's our breakdown for 22, and 24 forecasting our 01:19:39.289 --> 01:19:44.239 commercial programs are doing very well as our residential 01:19:44.619 --> 01:19:46.649 and low income. 01:19:48.399 --> 01:19:50.520 I'll take you to the next slide because this is where 01:19:50.520 --> 01:19:55.750 we did have a change. We had a full pump program in 01:19:55.750 --> 01:20:00.439 place. It has a lot of promise, I had a lot of 01:20:00.439 --> 01:20:03.439 promise, however, it just kept falling short on us 01:20:04.010 --> 01:20:07.859 So because of that we discontinued that program and 01:20:07.869 --> 01:20:10.779 integrated those dollars to another program that was 01:20:10.789 --> 01:20:14.770 uh utilizing their spend better than the other programs 01:20:14.770 --> 01:20:17.630 were. So we're moving those dollars into another program 01:20:18.390 --> 01:20:23.739 We're currently looking into the food service program 01:20:23.739 --> 01:20:28.060 that centerpoint, he's doing very well with. So we're 01:20:28.060 --> 01:20:30.479 trying to see how that will work out for us and our 01:20:30.489 --> 01:20:34.930 footprint as you know, our footprint is somewhat scattered 01:20:35.409 --> 01:20:39.460 a lot of rural area. So it does take a little bit 01:20:39.460 --> 01:20:44.600 more planning and discussion on how that will work 01:20:44.609 --> 01:20:49.039 best for us. Is it a viable program or not? Okay. But 01:20:49.609 --> 01:20:52.920 like I said, it wasn't gonna be very long. Programs 01:20:52.920 --> 01:20:57.170 are doing very well and we do our due diligence to 01:20:57.170 --> 01:21:00.060 make sure that they stay cost effective with customers 01:21:01.210 --> 01:21:03.329 Okay. All right, 01:21:05.569 --> 01:21:06.029 good. 01:21:10.979 --> 01:21:14.670 So, I'll ask the same questions. How close are you 01:21:14.670 --> 01:21:17.979 to caps on commercial and residential and have you 01:21:17.979 --> 01:21:21.789 looked at heat pumps? Anticipating other questions 01:21:22.500 --> 01:21:24.770 to answer the heat pump questions. Yes, we do have 01:21:24.779 --> 01:21:28.649 heat pumps in our residential programs. I'm sorry, 01:21:30.369 --> 01:21:33.140 that's a very good question. I don't know that answer 01:21:33.449 --> 01:21:36.260 I would say. The answer is yes, as they're getting 01:21:36.260 --> 01:21:39.760 new units in. Their 3rd party vendors are converting 01:21:39.760 --> 01:21:42.569 those union is rather than the older ones, but it can 01:21:42.569 --> 01:21:47.010 be for sure. That's true. So I don't know that answer 01:21:47.020 --> 01:21:51.729 But they are using heat pumps to the commercial. Uh 01:21:52.409 --> 01:21:56.600 we are very close to those and residential room. Yeah 01:21:56.600 --> 01:21:58.550 we've got plenty of room residential and we're close 01:21:58.550 --> 01:22:03.229 on the commercial side. Yes. Mhm. Compressing and and 01:22:03.229 --> 01:22:12.130 the inverters on Tv units um Island in new Tripoli 01:22:12.130 --> 01:22:15.149 requirement, inverters, whatever's in the TRM is what 01:22:15.149 --> 01:22:15.920 we're 01:22:18.000 --> 01:22:21.670 I'm sorry, I'm sorry, that's not the right answer. 01:22:22.750 --> 01:22:24.520 No, no, no, thank you. 01:22:27.600 --> 01:22:30.479 I will say on the TRM and I would have to look 01:22:30.479 --> 01:22:33.130 at PV but I know off the top of my head that 01:22:33.140 --> 01:22:36.420 the MMV team had already flagged. He pumps is a discussion 01:22:36.430 --> 01:22:40.039 for the 2023 update. We've talked about different things 01:22:40.039 --> 01:22:44.529 like do we put a penalty on those for severe weather 01:22:44.539 --> 01:22:47.840 events that are gonna kick over to electric resistance 01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:51.920 Heat has been an ongoing discussion. We haven't started 01:22:51.930 --> 01:22:54.189 that process with the utilities yet of the update, 01:22:54.189 --> 01:22:56.840 but it's something the human B team has already flagged 01:22:56.850 --> 01:22:59.909 So there will be an update on heat pumps to encourage 01:22:59.909 --> 01:23:03.829 ones that are going to operate well in a severe weather 01:23:03.829 --> 01:23:08.149 event in the next update. Um I don't, I will have to 01:23:08.159 --> 01:23:12.170 be circle through prioritizing measures that were kind 01:23:12.170 --> 01:23:15.149 of doing a deep dive on updates for. I don't know if 01:23:15.159 --> 01:23:18.229 PV is on the docket this year that we've already identified 01:23:18.600 --> 01:23:20.420 but you do have the opportunity to identify it through 01:23:20.420 --> 01:23:26.829 the pipe. Thank you. Yeah. Right. Thank you. All right 01:23:32.899 --> 01:23:33.689 This case. 01:23:38.699 --> 01:23:40.319 Mm hmm, mm hmm. 01:23:47.100 --> 01:23:52.439 Um Stephanie case with T. N. M. P. Um I'm gonna guess 01:23:52.439 --> 01:23:55.020 that you've noticed our format is a bit similar. So 01:23:55.020 --> 01:23:58.479 I'm gonna start with the same first two slides as everybody 01:23:58.479 --> 01:24:01.210 else. Probably repeat a little bit of what robert did 01:24:01.520 --> 01:24:05.829 and then go on to some of our program Um reporting 01:24:05.829 --> 01:24:09.279 on 2021 And things that we're looking forward to in 01:24:09.279 --> 01:24:13.550 2022. I'm gonna try really hard not to read to you 01:24:14.069 --> 01:24:17.409 but, but I have my notes for a reason because they 01:24:17.409 --> 01:24:20.609 don't want to forget to mention something. So, um 01:24:22.289 --> 01:24:27.470 like robert mentioned TMP is very similar. We review 01:24:27.479 --> 01:24:30.289 each of our programs every year in order to make tweaks 01:24:30.289 --> 01:24:33.560 to it. Um to make sure that we're optimizing it for 01:24:33.560 --> 01:24:36.220 the customer experience to make sure that we're including 01:24:36.220 --> 01:24:41.829 the measures that are in the TRM. Um, We've been at 01:24:41.829 --> 01:24:47.289 about five million for quite some time. So while it 01:24:47.289 --> 01:24:51.649 may appear to be maybe less sophisticated than other 01:24:51.649 --> 01:24:54.140 portfolios you might look at. I just really want to 01:24:54.140 --> 01:24:59.460 highlight that our focus is inside the program every 01:24:59.460 --> 01:25:01.960 year trying to make changes in response to lessons 01:25:01.960 --> 01:25:06.680 learned but we also make sure that we are in the cost 01:25:06.680 --> 01:25:10.869 caps. Um Sarah's I'll go ahead and answer your question 01:25:10.869 --> 01:25:14.100 lee are opposite of what I think I've been hearing 01:25:14.100 --> 01:25:16.710 We are at the cost caps for our residential programs 01:25:17.090 --> 01:25:19.350 and instead have a little bit more room in the commercial 01:25:19.350 --> 01:25:25.239 side. Um, so that's what I've got to report on their 01:25:26.090 --> 01:25:28.619 um, next slide please. 01:25:31.289 --> 01:25:33.550 This is just a different listing of the programs you 01:25:33.550 --> 01:25:37.710 were just looking at. So what I'll highlight is the 01:25:37.710 --> 01:25:40.670 one in red. We have been meeting with a couple of different 01:25:40.670 --> 01:25:45.029 implementer Z at one of our recent conference and entertaining 01:25:45.029 --> 01:25:48.979 the idea of an online marketplace. Our service territory 01:25:48.979 --> 01:25:51.470 at T. N. M. P. Is all over the state of texas 01:25:52.279 --> 01:25:56.350 and small little spurts. So it's extra challenging 01:25:56.350 --> 01:25:59.210 for us to try to reach everybody sometimes. And I'm 01:25:59.220 --> 01:26:02.569 thinking that utilizing an online marketplace might 01:26:02.569 --> 01:26:04.649 help us to reach some people that were not able to 01:26:04.659 --> 01:26:08.590 touch otherwise. And that's that's a good goal for 01:26:08.590 --> 01:26:12.279 us to have, especially specific to the way that were 01:26:12.279 --> 01:26:17.500 laid out. Um, next slide please. 01:26:20.380 --> 01:26:22.710 So I got the good and the bad. I'm not sure how 01:26:22.710 --> 01:26:25.680 much you can read on the slide and like I said, I'm 01:26:25.680 --> 01:26:30.329 not gonna read to you, but um, I have reported good 01:26:30.329 --> 01:26:32.579 things with the check mark and I'm not sure if you 01:26:32.579 --> 01:26:35.350 can tell the little circle bullet is actually a frowny 01:26:35.350 --> 01:26:41.510 face. So, so there's that. Um, and I'm gonna provide 01:26:41.510 --> 01:26:45.529 updates on most of our programs, but I don't think 01:26:45.529 --> 01:26:48.020 all of them and I didn't lay them out that way but 01:26:48.029 --> 01:26:52.310 but you're here. So in the residential program E. M 01:26:52.310 --> 01:26:54.779 And D recommended a few years ago that we focused on 01:26:54.789 --> 01:26:58.810 h fact measures and we have tried and tried and tried 01:26:58.810 --> 01:27:01.819 and finally this year we have two different avenues 01:27:01.819 --> 01:27:04.899 that were following through on starting in last year 01:27:05.579 --> 01:27:08.949 for the high performance, a sea tuna and we've added 01:27:08.960 --> 01:27:13.250 that under our residential programs. So keeping in 01:27:13.250 --> 01:27:17.319 the theme of the same program list every year but making 01:27:17.319 --> 01:27:21.529 modifications, internally modifying my own thought 01:27:21.539 --> 01:27:24.510 process when approaching the programs and starting 01:27:24.510 --> 01:27:27.779 to treat them a bit more like an umbrella. While we've 01:27:27.779 --> 01:27:31.359 always been able to offer any measure that's available 01:27:31.359 --> 01:27:35.319 in the TRM because we generate and other incentive 01:27:35.319 --> 01:27:38.390 amount to cover those if they're not listed specifically 01:27:39.479 --> 01:27:43.930 Um I'm starting to think of this as more of an umbrella 01:27:43.930 --> 01:27:48.340 situation. So we've got the residential program In 01:27:48.340 --> 01:27:52.770 2021. We carved out funds specific to um a. C. Tune 01:27:52.770 --> 01:27:57.279 ups and offered that to residents at no cost. And finally 01:27:57.279 --> 01:28:00.909 have seen some uptick both in that department. And 01:28:00.909 --> 01:28:05.319 we made a relationship with an aggregator who's participating 01:28:05.449 --> 01:28:11.090 and um have been able to add h back replacements, not 01:28:11.210 --> 01:28:15.569 add the H. Vac replacements but see some um Some of 01:28:15.569 --> 01:28:18.989 the projects actually come to fruition last year, there 01:28:18.989 --> 01:28:21.979 was one and that was a really good start. So this year 01:28:21.979 --> 01:28:25.390 we have had four so far. And from what I understand 01:28:25.390 --> 01:28:29.729 we're not an H Vac replacement season yet. So I'm still 01:28:29.729 --> 01:28:35.329 optimistic and excited to see that that is um, a definite 01:28:35.340 --> 01:28:37.189 change that we've been able to make. 01:28:39.729 --> 01:28:43.390 The sad face is for a new home construction program 01:28:43.970 --> 01:28:47.229 Now while we incentivize both high performance homes 01:28:47.229 --> 01:28:51.899 and Energy star certifications, We've seen a severe 01:28:51.899 --> 01:28:56.100 drop in 2021 specific to energy star certifications 01:28:56.720 --> 01:28:59.579 Some of the hers Raiders that we work with reported 01:28:59.590 --> 01:29:04.420 that supply chain shortages, timeline and labor impacts 01:29:04.420 --> 01:29:08.989 continuing from Covid. And also um, something that 01:29:08.989 --> 01:29:12.619 they're seeing is that the code in certain areas has 01:29:12.619 --> 01:29:15.600 caught up with Energy Star and they didn't have the 01:29:15.600 --> 01:29:19.850 additional funds for additional credentialing. So we're 01:29:19.859 --> 01:29:22.229 still incentivizing the high performance home, which 01:29:22.229 --> 01:29:24.090 is 5% over code. 01:29:25.649 --> 01:29:29.420 And for 2022 we're working on that one a little bit 01:29:29.420 --> 01:29:32.699 to reach out more directly specifically to the energy 01:29:32.699 --> 01:29:35.250 Star builders to see what can we do? How can we help 01:29:35.250 --> 01:29:39.359 you? Is there any anything that we can offer other 01:29:39.359 --> 01:29:41.489 than a specific incentive? Because you can only do 01:29:41.489 --> 01:29:45.399 so much with incentives. Sometimes money isn't necessarily 01:29:45.399 --> 01:29:46.390 always the answer. 01:29:49.069 --> 01:29:53.430 Right? Sure. For sure. To what degree are the same 01:29:53.439 --> 01:29:55.199 builders working across the state? 01:29:56.770 --> 01:30:02.109 In other words, is what if if in our weekly and several 01:30:02.109 --> 01:30:05.149 of the other national scale builders are working in 01:30:05.149 --> 01:30:08.340 all of your service territories? Why do you have to 01:30:08.350 --> 01:30:12.409 do this a lot? Why do we have to do this alone 01:30:12.409 --> 01:30:16.550 in terms of can't we create some level of consistency 01:30:16.550 --> 01:30:18.909 in terms of the approach? And they asked the builders 01:30:18.920 --> 01:30:21.520 working in texas if they are working across multiple 01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:24.600 service territories to see if they need help with energy 01:30:24.600 --> 01:30:29.279 starts for energy star certification specific, whatever 01:30:29.279 --> 01:30:33.729 it is, that is the obstacle. If I am stumbling over 01:30:33.729 --> 01:30:36.550 the idea that you need to invent a different builders 01:30:36.560 --> 01:30:39.319 program than what others are working with when there 01:30:39.319 --> 01:30:41.680 are a lot of builders who are working across multiple 01:30:41.680 --> 01:30:45.100 service territories. I didn't mean to insinuate that 01:30:45.100 --> 01:30:48.489 We're developing a different style program. We're using 01:30:48.489 --> 01:30:51.779 similar implementer with similar programs in order 01:30:51.779 --> 01:30:54.600 to make it simpler for the builders. And I'm wondering 01:30:54.600 --> 01:30:59.090 if similar means identical or if there are things that 01:30:59.090 --> 01:31:02.020 are being done in other service territories that you 01:31:02.020 --> 01:31:06.239 could be doing totally cookie cutter. Okay, good, good 01:31:06.239 --> 01:31:09.630 question. I'll have to look into thank you Just as 01:31:09.630 --> 01:31:14.319 a follow up. Um, As an example, we heard others say 01:31:14.329 --> 01:31:18.250 that their incentives are for going 15% above and years 01:31:18.250 --> 01:31:20.289 or five. I'm not saying one is right and what is wrong 01:31:20.300 --> 01:31:24.079 but maybe that's something have we looked at, we've 01:31:24.079 --> 01:31:29.350 looked at new home recently very recently that that 01:31:29.350 --> 01:31:31.989 was about two years ago where we did, we did the consumption 01:31:31.989 --> 01:31:35.630 analysis and had several recommendations on ways to 01:31:35.630 --> 01:31:42.260 improve the program. Um, so they are as being home 01:31:42.260 --> 01:31:45.729 ruled. There are real differences across within utilities 01:31:45.729 --> 01:31:48.510 and you know, and I do know, one of the things that 01:31:48.510 --> 01:31:52.069 came up for sure was uh, to do back there. Like they 01:31:52.069 --> 01:31:54.949 don't care about efficient h back from the builders 01:31:54.949 --> 01:31:57.899 they care about granite countertops. So, that was one 01:31:57.909 --> 01:32:00.579 you know, recommendation that went to all the utilities 01:32:00.579 --> 01:32:03.329 So, we did make recommendations on some some things 01:32:03.329 --> 01:32:06.609 that could be done two years ago, so I don't have a 01:32:06.609 --> 01:32:10.789 lot of them. Right. It's a good point though. Are are 01:32:10.789 --> 01:32:12.899 there things we can do that would make it easier for 01:32:12.899 --> 01:32:15.510 all the utilities to implement essentially the same 01:32:15.520 --> 01:32:19.149 program? Maybe because it's in the end of its the same 01:32:19.149 --> 01:32:22.029 builders. I don't know if that's true or not. No. And 01:32:22.039 --> 01:32:24.850 just from what I'm familiar with, I believe we are 01:32:24.859 --> 01:32:28.079 offering generally the same basic program. We do try 01:32:28.449 --> 01:32:31.180 That's why we meet together as you might try to keep 01:32:31.189 --> 01:32:34.369 things as similar as we can in the marketplace. So 01:32:34.369 --> 01:32:37.560 that project sponsors in any program working across 01:32:38.050 --> 01:32:41.670 the state don't have to deal with too many variances 01:32:42.050 --> 01:32:46.159 But to Larks point, we do have to make some mm hmm 01:32:46.649 --> 01:32:51.619 Service territory specific. Sometimes that was an M 01:32:51.619 --> 01:32:54.789 and B recommendation a few years ago as meet and share 01:32:54.789 --> 01:32:59.079 best practices and and get those things together. There 01:32:59.079 --> 01:33:01.460 are some other things in new homes that are in the 01:33:01.460 --> 01:33:04.270 works, but we probably should talk about those offline 01:33:04.850 --> 01:33:09.050 and I forget who that's with, that's what Centrepoint 01:33:09.060 --> 01:33:12.029 or I don't know but there is there is some stuff in 01:33:12.029 --> 01:33:15.880 the works to of if we can go to some new stuff 01:33:16.350 --> 01:33:19.289 and we have program manager meetings also annually 01:33:19.300 --> 01:33:21.979 in order to get the actual program managers together 01:33:21.979 --> 01:33:25.520 or not just the managers to discuss what they're doing 01:33:25.520 --> 01:33:28.850 in each of their programs and consult about how are 01:33:28.850 --> 01:33:30.250 you handling this situation 01:33:36.050 --> 01:33:40.229 onto the commercial programs? I think we're good. This 01:33:40.229 --> 01:33:44.020 is the only thing we don't have to do anything. Thanks 01:33:44.029 --> 01:33:48.890 so much. So um are frowny face in the commercial side 01:33:48.899 --> 01:33:53.810 Was that Arlo Arlo Management program for this summer 01:33:53.819 --> 01:33:57.890 only curtailed about 60% of what we contracted. And 01:33:57.890 --> 01:34:02.050 because that is um we know that before the end of the 01:34:02.050 --> 01:34:05.310 other programs we were able to, instead of leaving 01:34:05.310 --> 01:34:07.569 those incentives on the table, shift them into our 01:34:07.569 --> 01:34:11.420 commercial solutions program and take advantage of 01:34:11.430 --> 01:34:15.239 incentivizing projects that had Been postponed from 01:34:15.239 --> 01:34:20.350 2020. So that program was able to overachieve um and 01:34:20.350 --> 01:34:25.149 we were always glad to help the customers and be able 01:34:25.149 --> 01:34:28.270 to accommodate them instead of to be able to say sorry 01:34:28.840 --> 01:34:30.689 I can't help you with that because our budget is so 01:34:30.689 --> 01:34:35.800 low um to continue the good no good news in our Score 01:34:35.800 --> 01:34:39.170 city smart program we had added a few years ago a small 01:34:39.170 --> 01:34:43.340 schools component Raising the incentives by $100 per 01:34:43.340 --> 01:34:48.279 KW to help enable them to participate more often. Last 01:34:48.279 --> 01:34:51.949 year we added a small cities component to do the same 01:34:51.949 --> 01:34:57.020 thing and we saw three small cities qualifying um able 01:34:57.020 --> 01:35:00.909 to complete projects so that here's another good news 01:35:00.920 --> 01:35:01.930 piece to report. 01:35:03.939 --> 01:35:09.020 Um we have taken to our, our strides for 2022 in the 01:35:09.020 --> 01:35:12.189 commercial arena are two um, 01:35:14.239 --> 01:35:18.079 be able to deliver a more comprehensive opportunity 01:35:18.079 --> 01:35:21.159 assessment to partners when we first meet them, help 01:35:21.159 --> 01:35:25.130 them identify energy efficiency opportunities. We've 01:35:25.140 --> 01:35:27.569 got a new forum, they're taking out into the field 01:35:27.569 --> 01:35:30.420 to make sure you have certain certain points are being 01:35:30.420 --> 01:35:33.279 covered. Our focus is always on being more comprehensive 01:35:33.289 --> 01:35:37.420 I neglected to discuss that part of the residential 01:35:37.420 --> 01:35:41.939 side, which is to say just briefly that we had implemented 01:35:41.939 --> 01:35:44.579 a requirement a few years ago for project sponsors 01:35:44.579 --> 01:35:47.159 to install more than one measure per house, They needed 01:35:47.170 --> 01:35:50.920 three measures per home in order to meet in order to 01:35:50.920 --> 01:35:53.380 be able to participate for the next year basically 01:35:54.369 --> 01:35:58.880 And over the past few years that's increased to 70% 01:35:58.880 --> 01:36:02.060 over 70% of our homes receiving multiple measures, 01:36:02.529 --> 01:36:04.279 Which is something that we're really proud of. And 01:36:04.279 --> 01:36:07.569 for 2022 we were able to drop the requirement piece 01:36:07.569 --> 01:36:10.699 of that and we're seeing that it's now just become 01:36:10.699 --> 01:36:16.880 a general practice. So um, back to commercial. Um, 01:36:16.890 --> 01:36:22.279 I believe that's just about all I have um since we're 01:36:22.289 --> 01:36:24.680 able to meet in person, the last thing that we've been 01:36:24.680 --> 01:36:27.789 discussing with some of our score city smart commercial 01:36:27.789 --> 01:36:31.560 solutions participants is well one whether or not they've 01:36:31.569 --> 01:36:33.550 got new projects in the queue, we've seen a bit of 01:36:33.550 --> 01:36:37.659 turnover from energy managers, some facilities no longer 01:36:37.659 --> 01:36:40.689 have any few managers and it's best for us to continue 01:36:40.689 --> 01:36:43.329 to reach out, find out who the new contact is, ask 01:36:43.329 --> 01:36:46.460 them if they got projects, introduced them to the programs 01:36:47.329 --> 01:36:51.810 um and then see if they're interested in a check presentation 01:36:51.810 --> 01:36:54.069 at the end. That's something that we haven't really 01:36:54.069 --> 01:36:56.159 been able to do because of Covid. We're not getting 01:36:56.159 --> 01:36:58.960 together in person were not necessarily celebrating 01:36:58.960 --> 01:37:03.720 together. So we had one in december and one just last 01:37:03.720 --> 01:37:08.520 week and that's been that's just sort of the fun side 01:37:08.520 --> 01:37:12.340 of completing the projects that we have a program. 01:37:15.529 --> 01:37:19.640 Yes, this is for you. But also for all of the ERCOT 01:37:20.109 --> 01:37:26.250 utilities, has anybody thought about restricting commercial 01:37:26.260 --> 01:37:30.930 incentives and participation to all of the wonderful 01:37:30.930 --> 01:37:33.289 critical facilities that have suddenly decided that 01:37:33.289 --> 01:37:37.130 their critical and are clogging up our circuits so 01:37:37.130 --> 01:37:39.819 that we actually do something useful for the things 01:37:39.819 --> 01:37:41.500 that think that they're important that are going to 01:37:41.500 --> 01:37:44.039 screw over the residential customers on circuits that 01:37:44.039 --> 01:37:47.670 aren't don't have critical facilities. So focusing 01:37:47.670 --> 01:37:51.899 on targeting those customers. That's a, that's a great 01:37:51.909 --> 01:37:54.300 outreach idea. Yes, thank you very much. Including 01:37:54.310 --> 01:37:58.859 government critical facilities as well as because you're 01:37:59.270 --> 01:38:02.520 gonna be spending ratepayer money on critical facilities 01:38:02.520 --> 01:38:04.489 that are gonna affect our ability to keep the lights 01:38:04.489 --> 01:38:07.260 on. Let's make sure they're energy efficient. Great 01:38:07.579 --> 01:38:10.739 great idea. Any any other utilities wish to address 01:38:10.739 --> 01:38:11.399 that place. 01:38:14.819 --> 01:38:16.539 I think we're all going to speak for everybody where 01:38:16.550 --> 01:38:19.520 I'm always looking for outreach opportunities, so I 01:38:19.520 --> 01:38:24.520 don't know why we wouldn't. Mhm. Or or even rejigger 01:38:24.520 --> 01:38:27.670 the incentives for critical facilities so that we get 01:38:27.680 --> 01:38:30.319 more of those to be far more energy efficient, far 01:38:30.319 --> 01:38:32.569 more quickly. I'll give you 01:38:35.319 --> 01:38:40.369 Thank you. Thank you. I think now you might be getting 01:38:40.369 --> 01:38:49.750 a break. Oh, great discussion. Great questions. How 01:38:49.750 --> 01:38:52.779 about we reconvene at the top of the hour, so at 11 01:38:52.789 --> 01:38:54.939 for the nine ERCOT utility program, 01:39:45.979 --> 01:39:48.670 you wouldn't have to build the gas plant in energy 01:39:48.670 --> 01:39:49.770 efficiency. Energy, 01:40:10.409 --> 01:40:15.539 it's just every time. Do you want the clicker or do 01:40:15.539 --> 01:40:15.909 you want me to 01:40:17.649 --> 01:40:18.149 be happy? 01:40:25.970 --> 01:40:28.510 All right, everybody, my name is Mark, 01:40:31.550 --> 01:40:37.329 we need you to mute the meeting place. Ah we aren't 01:40:37.329 --> 01:40:37.939 muted. 01:40:43.409 --> 01:40:46.289 Um I'll hit it again but we're not on you. 01:40:48.010 --> 01:40:50.760 Tina. Can you hear me? We are showing that we're on 01:40:50.760 --> 01:40:53.130 mute. I think you might have us muted. 01:40:58.409 --> 01:41:02.100 So in energy texas we run five programs, we run to 01:41:02.100 --> 01:41:05.109 commercial and three residential, we try to keep it 01:41:05.119 --> 01:41:08.130 pretty pretty simple here at entergy texas for commercial 01:41:08.130 --> 01:41:11.609 solutions. We actually just went through an RFP process 01:41:11.609 --> 01:41:15.369 and we did a got new contributors for commercial solutions 01:41:15.369 --> 01:41:17.970 and residential solutions. We ended up keeping the 01:41:17.979 --> 01:41:20.840 increment people so clear result is gonna be managing 01:41:20.840 --> 01:41:23.600 our first commercial solutions program for three years 01:41:23.609 --> 01:41:26.829 and then TRC companies is doing residential solutions 01:41:27.510 --> 01:41:30.180 So our budget state relatively saying, you know, our 01:41:30.189 --> 01:41:34.029 goal has been set for almost 10, 10 years and our goal 01:41:34.029 --> 01:41:37.729 actually just went up this past year by about 200 kw 01:41:37.739 --> 01:41:41.060 So that was the smallest increase we've had in a long 01:41:41.060 --> 01:41:44.050 time. But again, our budgets are staying pretty consistent 01:41:44.250 --> 01:41:45.819 not much to say next time. 01:41:47.409 --> 01:41:50.340 So again, we're running two programs on the commercial 01:41:50.340 --> 01:41:52.329 side, Commercial Solutions is our umbrella program 01:41:52.329 --> 01:41:54.680 So that's where we serve pretty much anybody from a 01:41:54.680 --> 01:41:57.569 small donut shop up to a small manufacturing, even 01:41:57.569 --> 01:42:00.260 large colleges and that is a program where we do a 01:42:00.260 --> 01:42:02.229 lot of lighting and in fact, we also have a number 01:42:02.229 --> 01:42:04.510 of sub programs in our commercial solutions program 01:42:04.800 --> 01:42:08.170 We do a lot of direct insults from the Trn and we 01:42:08.170 --> 01:42:10.619 do custom measures. We have a behavior program through 01:42:10.619 --> 01:42:12.869 a clear result called continuous energy improvement 01:42:12.880 --> 01:42:16.899 where we've reached out to key schools, colleges and 01:42:16.899 --> 01:42:19.420 even some small manufacturing to be a part of this 01:42:19.420 --> 01:42:21.430 program and we're looking to expand that and get new 01:42:21.439 --> 01:42:24.779 participants. We've seen a huge success in this program 01:42:24.789 --> 01:42:27.439 being able to live to deliver a lot of kW kilowatt 01:42:27.439 --> 01:42:30.149 hours By helping out these particular customers. And 01:42:30.149 --> 01:42:32.689 it is a three year program. So it's not that we help 01:42:32.689 --> 01:42:34.819 them just for a little bit. It's a, it's a commitment 01:42:34.829 --> 01:42:37.409 for these customers to be in it, but they get to see 01:42:37.409 --> 01:42:39.989 a ton of savings and we're in our sixth or seventh 01:42:40.010 --> 01:42:42.560 year of this program and we're really proud of the 01:42:42.569 --> 01:42:45.850 behavior program. We're also, we have a lighting midstream 01:42:45.850 --> 01:42:48.079 program that we have through our commercial solutions 01:42:48.079 --> 01:42:51.590 that we've seen a huge success. We get a ton of sales 01:42:51.600 --> 01:42:53.640 through this midstream program. We're looking to expand 01:42:53.640 --> 01:42:56.310 it into a fact. So we're looking to run a couple of 01:42:56.310 --> 01:43:00.039 smaller programs within our commercial solutions Portfolio 01:43:00.039 --> 01:43:02.350 including that midstream h fact that we're starting 01:43:02.350 --> 01:43:05.439 up this year in 2022. And we're also looking to do 01:43:05.439 --> 01:43:08.609 some commercial cool saver tune ups as well. So we've 01:43:08.609 --> 01:43:11.409 allocated dollars from the commercial solutions program 01:43:11.420 --> 01:43:14.369 to these smaller sub programs to try to reach out different 01:43:14.369 --> 01:43:17.289 markets and try to help our customers in new ways with 01:43:17.289 --> 01:43:19.600 our blood management Standard offer program, Not much 01:43:19.600 --> 01:43:21.970 change there, it's gonna be the same program uh with 01:43:21.970 --> 01:43:24.069 our new and my meter, we'll hopefully be able to get 01:43:24.069 --> 01:43:27.550 some better data from that program and be able to continue 01:43:27.550 --> 01:43:30.270 to serve it very each other out to a handful of customers 01:43:30.270 --> 01:43:32.729 to try to maybe grow it just by a few participants 01:43:32.739 --> 01:43:35.079 but really no major changes in the load management 01:43:50.630 --> 01:43:56.550 you know what it is? I bet it's the livestream. Yeah 01:44:12.159 --> 01:44:15.159 Residential Standard offer program expanded to include 01:44:15.590 --> 01:44:16.229 contractors 01:44:18.020 --> 01:44:22.689 serving customers residential solutions. Again, it's 01:44:22.689 --> 01:44:27.100 an umbrella program, new homes and distributed through 01:44:27.100 --> 01:44:31.300 that particular program and we are looking to do a 01:44:31.300 --> 01:44:33.890 pilot in residential solutions where we're doing our 01:44:33.890 --> 01:44:36.319 online marketplace and we're building that out with 01:44:36.319 --> 01:44:38.689 TRC companies right now, trying to look at what we 01:44:38.689 --> 01:44:42.500 want to put in to kind of help serve a ERCOT through 01:44:42.500 --> 01:44:47.439 the online ERCOT. Now going into 2023 2024 I am gonna 01:44:47.449 --> 01:44:50.090 be breaking out our residential cool Saver and our 01:44:50.090 --> 01:44:52.869 multi family H VAC program into its their own standalone 01:44:52.869 --> 01:44:55.720 ERCOT transformation programs. We've seen a huge success 01:44:55.720 --> 01:44:57.920 in these two programs. And so we're breaking amount 01:44:57.930 --> 01:45:00.130 of the Residential Standard offer program where they 01:45:00.130 --> 01:45:02.470 were originally under and they're going to become their 01:45:02.470 --> 01:45:06.359 own flagship programs. I want to continue to put money 01:45:06.359 --> 01:45:09.199 into the Cool Saver and multi family because we just 01:45:09.289 --> 01:45:11.989 I've seen a huge success in the southeast texas ERCOT 01:45:12.000 --> 01:45:14.810 I don't really want to grow these programs. And then 01:45:14.810 --> 01:45:16.649 again, we have our low income hard to reach, which 01:45:16.649 --> 01:45:19.390 is just a carbon copy of our Standard offer program 01:45:19.399 --> 01:45:21.439 that that helps different customers. And we've been 01:45:21.439 --> 01:45:24.220 able to see a huge success in both of those programs 01:45:24.220 --> 01:45:26.199 and we're just going to kind of continue moving forward 01:45:26.210 --> 01:45:29.960 with this program next slide please. So we are looking 01:45:29.960 --> 01:45:32.909 to do some some more innovative programs and we're 01:45:32.920 --> 01:45:35.149 doing two pilots this year. So I've already talked 01:45:35.149 --> 01:45:37.590 about the online marketplace that we're doing with 01:45:37.600 --> 01:45:40.039 with TR CS, but we're also looking to do a heat pump 01:45:40.039 --> 01:45:42.750 water heater program and this is a pilot. Again, we're 01:45:42.750 --> 01:45:45.250 doing through TR C. What's interesting about it is 01:45:45.250 --> 01:45:48.130 these was these were new homes constructed in southeast 01:45:48.130 --> 01:45:51.380 texas in Jefferson County and they were installed with 01:45:51.390 --> 01:45:55.149 with new heat pump water heaters that have connected 01:45:55.159 --> 01:45:58.500 ability to do a residential demand response. And right 01:45:58.500 --> 01:46:02.060 now we are working to talk to the home, the new homeowners 01:46:02.069 --> 01:46:04.739 with their homes to solicit them into this program 01:46:04.750 --> 01:46:07.600 so we can run kind of a small demand response program 01:46:07.880 --> 01:46:10.100 if we see success with this, we look to grow it and 01:46:10.100 --> 01:46:12.800 kind of add more heat pump water heater and connect 01:46:12.800 --> 01:46:15.300 them and use that as a way of doing a residential demand 01:46:15.300 --> 01:46:18.590 response. So we'll be using the hot water heater as 01:46:18.590 --> 01:46:21.310 the element to reduce load rather than they're, they're 01:46:21.319 --> 01:46:24.130 a check unit. So, these are some new pilot programs 01:46:24.130 --> 01:46:27.380 that we're looking to do in this this year and and 01:46:27.380 --> 01:46:31.810 possibly continuing the 2023 and beyond any questions 01:46:33.479 --> 01:46:36.729 have you looked at the potential for doing any kind 01:46:36.729 --> 01:46:44.739 of winter load management programs or not? I know it's 01:46:44.739 --> 01:46:48.329 a different different climate zone than than the Dallas 01:46:48.329 --> 01:46:53.310 area, but no, we haven't looked into it. Um we're just 01:46:53.310 --> 01:46:55.000 gonna continue this summer for now. 01:47:00.880 --> 01:47:06.319 Any limits on heat pumps. Any limits? No, I actually 01:47:06.329 --> 01:47:09.090 we, we also have seen a lot of increasing heat pumps 01:47:09.090 --> 01:47:11.289 you know, especially in our residential solution where 01:47:11.289 --> 01:47:14.130 we do the residential replacements. We, I have been 01:47:14.130 --> 01:47:16.289 seeing the number of installed speed bumps to pick 01:47:16.289 --> 01:47:18.819 up and this year we're actually doing with the way 01:47:18.819 --> 01:47:21.680 we, we incentivize our structure on how we incentivize 01:47:21.680 --> 01:47:24.619 the distributors to put it in is based on the tonnage 01:47:24.630 --> 01:47:27.670 and the sear. But then if it's a heat pump, we actually 01:47:27.670 --> 01:47:30.500 are applying a 33 times multiplier into whatever the 01:47:30.500 --> 01:47:34.529 incentive is. So if a distributor was going to do 1/4 01:47:34.529 --> 01:47:38.680 time, 16 seer at a residential hall, if that's a heat 01:47:38.680 --> 01:47:41.920 pump, That incentive is multiplied by three. So it's 01:47:41.920 --> 01:47:44.039 a bigger incentive. So we are trying to push more heat 01:47:44.039 --> 01:47:47.899 pumps in the southeast Texas area. Can you make them 01:47:47.899 --> 01:47:52.500 inverter compressor building technology that's outside 01:47:52.500 --> 01:47:56.960 my Yeah, can you expand your wheelhouse please think 01:47:56.960 --> 01:47:59.829 she's asking you to look at the potential for a higher 01:47:59.829 --> 01:48:03.909 ed's either not giving incentives if they don't have 01:48:03.920 --> 01:48:09.260 the compressor or higher incentives to encourage that 01:48:15.069 --> 01:48:15.829 Any other questions? 01:48:17.470 --> 01:48:23.689 The TRM already has higher savings splits. So they 01:48:23.699 --> 01:48:25.779 do recognize the additional savings. 01:48:27.770 --> 01:48:28.279 So 01:48:30.069 --> 01:48:34.949 yeah, I will say Allison, it was when we started, you 01:48:34.949 --> 01:48:38.029 heard maybe the recommendation from us to do back. 01:48:38.029 --> 01:48:42.199 There was very little h back being done at all and 01:48:42.210 --> 01:48:45.539 there were some significant barriers given how busy 01:48:45.539 --> 01:48:47.989 those contractors are to even get them involved in 01:48:47.989 --> 01:48:51.760 the programs. So, you know, kind of, once you get momentum 01:48:51.770 --> 01:48:54.979 you can keep making progress and I think we're going 01:48:54.979 --> 01:48:59.039 in that direction but like it's a significant accomplishment 01:48:59.039 --> 01:49:02.050 We've been able to get contractors participating and 01:49:02.050 --> 01:49:03.439 doing them 01:49:08.770 --> 01:49:10.390 awesome. Thank you so much for your attention. 01:49:17.770 --> 01:49:22.500 All right, Crystal, I am going to go back to El paso 01:49:31.970 --> 01:49:35.810 Mhm Good morning everybody. I'm Crystal Enoch. I'm 01:49:35.810 --> 01:49:39.180 with El paso Electric. I am the principal energy efficiency 01:49:39.180 --> 01:49:41.899 program analyst for our energy efficiency department 01:49:43.069 --> 01:49:46.090 As you guys all see here, it's a standard format. This 01:49:46.090 --> 01:49:50.560 is R 2022 budget that we projected as part of our 2021 01:49:50.569 --> 01:49:57.590 E CRF filing and as it was approved last year um This 01:49:57.590 --> 01:50:00.970 is pretty much the same budget that we had in 2021 01:50:00.989 --> 01:50:04.869 The only difference to this budget from 2021 was the 01:50:04.869 --> 01:50:08.779 addition of the future wise um pilot ERCOT transformation 01:50:08.779 --> 01:50:11.750 program. That is an educational program geared towards 01:50:11.750 --> 01:50:15.869 high school students And then the increase in our residential 01:50:15.869 --> 01:50:22.829 load management program from 310,450 $3,000 for the 01:50:22.979 --> 01:50:25.829 growth that we projected based off of 2020 numbers 01:50:26.960 --> 01:50:27.380 Okay. 01:50:29.520 --> 01:50:34.859 I never said Okay. Um there's not a lot of change within 01:50:34.869 --> 01:50:37.880 within any of our programs. We have our small commercial 01:50:37.880 --> 01:50:42.000 solutions program. Um we offer a variety of different 01:50:42.000 --> 01:50:44.500 measures that are available through the TRM one of 01:50:44.500 --> 01:50:46.789 the new additions for our small commercial program 01:50:46.789 --> 01:50:49.510 that we're excited about this year is the addition 01:50:49.520 --> 01:50:52.729 for incentives on evaporative coolers. Um That's popular 01:50:52.729 --> 01:50:55.649 measure within our service territory. Um And we are 01:50:55.659 --> 01:50:58.659 happy to incentivize it in the commercial sector now 01:50:58.670 --> 01:51:02.899 as we do in the residential sector, large commercial 01:51:03.119 --> 01:51:07.390 CN i programs we continue to see the same um participation 01:51:07.390 --> 01:51:10.329 in the same type of measures um customers participating 01:51:10.329 --> 01:51:13.149 within the program. It's a very successful program 01:51:13.159 --> 01:51:16.180 The same with the texas score program and the commercial 01:51:16.180 --> 01:51:17.939 load management program. We don't anticipate a lot 01:51:17.939 --> 01:51:21.739 of changes um within those programs that we offer a 01:51:21.750 --> 01:51:26.359 variety of measures under all of those programs on 01:51:26.359 --> 01:51:31.310 the residential side. Same with the residential solutions 01:51:31.310 --> 01:51:34.050 and the hard to reach program. Um Similar measures 01:51:34.050 --> 01:51:36.819 were focused on energy efficiency measures, both at 01:51:36.829 --> 01:51:40.579 the retrofit and new construction side of it under 01:51:40.579 --> 01:51:44.210 both of those options there. Um The key difference 01:51:44.210 --> 01:51:46.720 between the two is the low income doesn't offer a higher 01:51:46.720 --> 01:51:49.069 incentive for the low income hard to reach program 01:51:50.659 --> 01:51:54.659 then um are texas supplies recycling program, that's 01:51:54.670 --> 01:52:00.600 the recycling of the refrigerators and freezers. Um 01:52:00.649 --> 01:52:02.960 And then our residential marketplace program, we launched 01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:06.569 that last actually in 2020 trying to think what you're 01:52:06.569 --> 01:52:09.840 wearing right now. Yeah, we launched that back in 2020 01:52:09.850 --> 01:52:13.210 Um We saw continued success within program, year 2021 01:52:13.210 --> 01:52:16.210 we did add some new measures. We added the window a 01:52:16.210 --> 01:52:19.430 C to that platform. We haven't seen any sales because 01:52:19.430 --> 01:52:23.970 we did offer or bring that online post um cooling season 01:52:24.250 --> 01:52:27.619 Um And then here recently we just launched the air 01:52:27.619 --> 01:52:32.489 purifiers in courtesy of Covid. We had a major uptick 01:52:32.500 --> 01:52:34.399 with those as soon as we watched them. We've had a 01:52:34.399 --> 01:52:37.229 lot of sales on the air purifiers. So we were excited 01:52:37.229 --> 01:52:40.390 with that. Mm hmm. And then of course as I said the 01:52:40.399 --> 01:52:42.630 residential load management program and that offers 01:52:42.630 --> 01:52:45.930 not only the curtailment within the summertime of June 01:52:45.930 --> 01:52:50.340 one through September 30 but it also facilitates the 01:52:50.340 --> 01:52:54.869 sales of smart thermostats within that program. Okay 01:52:54.890 --> 01:53:00.180 question. So all of these appear to be ERCOT transformation 01:53:00.189 --> 01:53:04.119 programs. Do you have any standard offer programs for 01:53:04.130 --> 01:53:07.810 residential? The only standard offer program that we 01:53:07.810 --> 01:53:10.569 offer is our commercial load management program. All 01:53:10.569 --> 01:53:12.829 of our other programs are ERCOT transformation 01:53:16.649 --> 01:53:19.630 we find them easier to facilitate. At one point we 01:53:19.630 --> 01:53:24.050 did have standard offer programs but we found the ERCOT 01:53:24.050 --> 01:53:26.569 transformation easier to facilitate less paperwork 01:53:28.850 --> 01:53:32.609 Can you deliver the same services through ERCOT transformation 01:53:32.619 --> 01:53:35.079 with less paperwork than you can with an S. O. P. 01:53:37.649 --> 01:53:41.319 I believe so yes. Is there a lesson in that for the 01:53:41.329 --> 01:53:47.279 folks who organize these programs? Um So we've looked 01:53:47.279 --> 01:53:50.840 at we've done dives into when ERCOT transformation 01:53:50.850 --> 01:53:53.710 makes sense and when standard offer does and offer 01:53:53.710 --> 01:53:58.029 some best practices? I do know in the case of el paso 01:53:58.039 --> 01:54:00.819 their service territory was unique. They did try to 01:54:00.819 --> 01:54:03.789 get contractors involved. They need ERCOT transformation 01:54:03.789 --> 01:54:07.939 allows them to have an implementation contractor to 01:54:07.949 --> 01:54:10.640 really kind of expand their staff to get the contractors 01:54:10.640 --> 01:54:13.939 involved. So they were needing to go to that model 01:54:13.939 --> 01:54:18.260 in their territory. Um There are times, you know, we 01:54:18.260 --> 01:54:21.699 have several times, you know, new technologies hard 01:54:21.699 --> 01:54:25.640 to reach sectors where the ERCOT transformation is 01:54:25.640 --> 01:54:30.600 a really good model. Um And it's really a misnomer 01:54:30.600 --> 01:54:33.470 because some markets don't transfer form. They have 01:54:33.470 --> 01:54:36.239 persistent barriers like small business. They're never 01:54:36.239 --> 01:54:38.189 going to care that much about their energy use. They're 01:54:38.189 --> 01:54:41.020 not going to have staff who you know, you're gonna 01:54:41.020 --> 01:54:43.390 be able to educate and get doing it. So having kind 01:54:43.390 --> 01:54:46.699 of a consistent ERCOT transformation effort targeting 01:54:46.699 --> 01:54:49.010 small businesses. A really great views. So we do have 01:54:49.010 --> 01:54:52.199 that process peace out there of when it makes sense 01:54:52.199 --> 01:54:56.869 to use ERCOT transformation versus standard offer. 01:54:57.539 --> 01:55:00.520 Thank you. And to reiterate on that as she says, our 01:55:00.520 --> 01:55:03.350 demographic. We are isolated out there on the west 01:55:03.350 --> 01:55:06.319 side. So we do not see the influx of the contractors 01:55:06.319 --> 01:55:08.590 from the other part of the state into our territory 01:55:08.600 --> 01:55:11.960 So we are uniquely different from everyone. Thank you 01:55:13.439 --> 01:55:16.609 Can you quickly just tell us what the living wise ERCOT 01:55:16.609 --> 01:55:20.819 transformation project is. So the Living wise ERCOT 01:55:20.819 --> 01:55:24.449 transformation program, a program that is also an educational 01:55:24.449 --> 01:55:27.359 program. It is geared towards middle school age students 01:55:27.359 --> 01:55:30.100 actually sixth graders specifically. Um So it is an 01:55:30.100 --> 01:55:32.989 educational kit is provided to both the teacher and 01:55:32.989 --> 01:55:36.390 to the student within that kid. Um The students are 01:55:36.390 --> 01:55:40.409 provided energy saving measures such as a shower head 01:55:40.409 --> 01:55:44.369 low flow faucet aerators and some L. E. D. S within 01:55:44.369 --> 01:55:47.039 that can and they kind of learn about energy use at 01:55:47.039 --> 01:55:49.930 that point in time. Um And so that's the introductory 01:55:49.939 --> 01:55:53.430 kit and then we can talk about the future wise here 01:55:53.430 --> 01:55:54.170 on the next slide. 01:55:57.439 --> 01:56:00.380 Alright so here we go, future wise. So we are excited 01:56:00.380 --> 01:56:03.109 about this year. This is our future wise program. Um 01:56:03.109 --> 01:56:06.010 It's going to be a pilot program and this is also going 01:56:06.010 --> 01:56:09.020 to be implemented by am conservation. They implement 01:56:09.029 --> 01:56:11.180 our living wise kit which has been successful for the 01:56:11.189 --> 01:56:15.590 past 10 plus years now. And we are planning to launch 01:56:15.590 --> 01:56:17.399 this program that was approved last year. We're gonna 01:56:17.399 --> 01:56:21.210 launch it here in the fall of 2022. Um this kid is 01:56:21.210 --> 01:56:23.109 actually geared towards high school students. So we're 01:56:23.109 --> 01:56:25.710 looking at ninth grade through 12th grade students 01:56:25.720 --> 01:56:28.199 they are at this point in their lives, they are fixing 01:56:28.199 --> 01:56:30.720 to go out. Some of them may actually live on their 01:56:30.720 --> 01:56:34.380 own already. Um so they're being introduced to utility 01:56:34.380 --> 01:56:37.300 bills. So once some of the stuff that's included within 01:56:37.300 --> 01:56:40.960 this educational kit along with energy saving devices 01:56:41.329 --> 01:56:44.319 um those energy saving devices including advanced power 01:56:44.319 --> 01:56:48.260 strip and some LED lights. But our key thing that we're 01:56:48.260 --> 01:56:50.229 wanting to do here is to teach the students how to 01:56:50.229 --> 01:56:53.569 read a utility donor. Okay. What behaviors that they 01:56:53.579 --> 01:56:57.949 do that contributes to the energies within that um 01:56:57.960 --> 01:57:01.760 utility bill. Um, they're taught how to do home energy 01:57:01.770 --> 01:57:05.310 audits. We received information from the pre imposed 01:57:05.319 --> 01:57:08.510 um, of this is what there was their home was like when 01:57:08.510 --> 01:57:11.149 they first did their audit. And these are the adjustments 01:57:11.149 --> 01:57:13.289 they made within the home that contributes to energy 01:57:13.289 --> 01:57:16.710 savings such as thermostats, setbacks, water heater 01:57:16.710 --> 01:57:19.609 temperature setbacks, installing the L. E. D. S. Or 01:57:19.609 --> 01:57:25.590 the advanced power strip great here. Uh, so all of 01:57:25.590 --> 01:57:27.680 those little changes and stuff, they will contribute 01:57:27.680 --> 01:57:30.699 to energy savings within their utility bill. Um, some 01:57:30.699 --> 01:57:32.659 of the other things that we want to introduce them 01:57:32.659 --> 01:57:36.390 to is career and opportunities within the energy sector 01:57:36.399 --> 01:57:39.750 Um, a lot of us don't even aren't aware until we work 01:57:39.750 --> 01:57:42.619 for utility that these type of jobs exist. So we want 01:57:42.619 --> 01:57:45.210 to make them aware of those opportunities that do exist 01:57:45.210 --> 01:57:49.649 out there. So again, the future Wise pilot MTp, that 01:57:49.649 --> 01:57:52.560 is our Program that we're excited about this year and 01:57:52.869 --> 01:57:55.649 scheduled along to follow 20 follow this year. 01:57:58.729 --> 01:58:05.250 Is it possible for el paso and tiene Mp to adopt um 01:58:05.619 --> 01:58:08.270 behavioral energy efficiency programs and the kind 01:58:08.270 --> 01:58:11.310 of online Gamification leveraging smart meters that 01:58:11.310 --> 01:58:14.630 are being done in many other service territories, um 01:58:14.630 --> 01:58:17.039 not within El pasO electric at this point in time. 01:58:17.039 --> 01:58:19.880 We do not have smart meters at this point in time and 01:58:19.890 --> 01:58:22.840 we do not anticipate them being rolled out for another 01:58:22.840 --> 01:58:27.390 few years. Um, so we have not looking that far into 01:58:27.390 --> 01:58:31.960 adjusting our programs for that type of oh, behavior 01:58:31.960 --> 01:58:32.520 analysis. 01:58:35.720 --> 01:58:35.840 Okay. 01:58:39.489 --> 01:58:42.390 And then the next feature adjustment that we are looking 01:58:42.390 --> 01:58:46.340 at as I mentioned on the previous slide is the adjustment 01:58:46.350 --> 01:58:49.590 for our residential load management budget. Once again 01:58:49.600 --> 01:58:54.300 in 2021 we saw a significant increase. Um, we are anticipating 01:58:54.300 --> 01:58:58.140 at this point in time more than 7500 KW reduction within 01:58:58.140 --> 01:59:02.050 that program. That is about a 380% increase over program 01:59:02.050 --> 01:59:06.479 year 2020 we call up to about 10 events within this 01:59:06.479 --> 01:59:09.460 program annually last year we were kind of caught off 01:59:09.470 --> 01:59:12.369 guard with the cool second half of the season. So we 01:59:12.369 --> 01:59:15.300 did not get to call as many events as we were anticipating 01:59:15.310 --> 01:59:21.420 However, We do clinical all 10 events this year. Um 01:59:21.430 --> 01:59:24.390 we saw energy savings as I mentioned earlier. This 01:59:24.390 --> 01:59:28.020 program does facilitate the sell of our smart thermostats 01:59:28.029 --> 01:59:32.189 as well as the marketplace. Um, savings are not claimed 01:59:32.189 --> 01:59:35.359 within both, but if they elect to enroll within the 01:59:35.489 --> 01:59:39.380 load management at the time of the cell that we claim 01:59:39.380 --> 01:59:42.359 the energy savings here. So this year we actually saw 01:59:42.369 --> 01:59:47.020 288% increase over 2021 of the key things to note on 01:59:47.020 --> 01:59:50.960 that energy savings is due to the success of the program 01:59:50.960 --> 01:59:54.649 We actually stopped the auto enrollment of that program 01:59:55.319 --> 01:59:58.729 Um, I want to say in august last year to preserve some 01:59:58.739 --> 02:00:02.739 capital within our budget. At that point in time We 02:00:02.739 --> 02:00:06.970 were able to still sell over 1800 devices, which was 02:00:06.970 --> 02:00:14.029 an increase of 254% over 2020. So as we adjusted the 02:00:14.039 --> 02:00:18.010 numbers for 2022 based off are based off of our 2020 02:00:18.010 --> 02:00:22.060 sales. We went ahead and adjusted our budget for 2023 02:00:22.060 --> 02:00:26.819 based off of the 2021 sales. So we're anticipating 02:00:26.829 --> 02:00:30.319 a budget of about $700,000 for that program 02:00:32.109 --> 02:00:35.119 Based off of our daily sales were expecting to sell 02:00:35.130 --> 02:00:39.760 1480 thermostats through that program And we're estimating 02:00:39.760 --> 02:00:44.390 a load reduction about 18,000 KW and over two million 02:00:44.399 --> 02:00:47.989 Kwh. What would happen if you made that bring your 02:00:47.989 --> 02:00:48.729 own device 02:00:50.510 --> 02:00:53.359 so that customers could participate bringing their 02:00:53.359 --> 02:00:56.649 own thermostats rather than being enrolled only if 02:00:56.659 --> 02:00:58.539 you saw them the meter that 02:01:00.810 --> 02:01:05.810 the program may still be successful can be harder at 02:01:05.810 --> 02:01:09.199 that point in time. The energy does help with the, 02:01:09.350 --> 02:01:11.909 not only the overall cost effectiveness 02:01:14.010 --> 02:01:17.359 for customers to go to the marketplace and just enroll 02:01:17.359 --> 02:01:21.869 into the bring your own device. That's correct. So 02:01:21.880 --> 02:01:24.489 currently as I mentioned, the thermostat is being sold 02:01:24.500 --> 02:01:27.159 through the marketplace and as I mentioned in august 02:01:27.159 --> 02:01:30.340 we turned off the option for them to automatically 02:01:30.340 --> 02:01:34.640 enroll within the residential load management program 02:01:34.640 --> 02:01:38.529 so that we were not over exceeding our budget budget 02:01:38.539 --> 02:01:40.960 on the residential side load management side even more 02:01:41.609 --> 02:01:44.399 So we have that ability to turn it off. So the one 02:01:44.399 --> 02:01:48.859 thing that happens is that all it does is reduce the 02:01:48.869 --> 02:01:51.010 incentives that are coming out of the load management 02:01:51.010 --> 02:01:53.770 program. So what if you raise the incentives and got 02:01:53.770 --> 02:01:56.560 more customers in with their own thermostats? Can you 02:01:56.560 --> 02:01:59.819 would get more savings? They still have the opportunity 02:01:59.829 --> 02:02:02.359 to bring their own device so they do not have to purchase 02:02:02.359 --> 02:02:05.739 the thermostat, they can bring their own device. And 02:02:05.750 --> 02:02:09.319 can you increase your your incentive budget in order 02:02:09.319 --> 02:02:12.220 to take more customers and to participate in this program 02:02:14.789 --> 02:02:20.409 No, because we had we had a three year pilot program 02:02:20.409 --> 02:02:24.020 where it was primarily a bring your own device program 02:02:24.029 --> 02:02:27.420 And because there's no the only energy savings associated 02:02:27.420 --> 02:02:30.789 with that is due to the curtailment of the events. 02:02:30.800 --> 02:02:33.800 Um then we start to run a program that is on the 02:02:33.810 --> 02:02:34.329 edge 02:02:38.199 --> 02:02:41.079 question are you all targeting single family or multi 02:02:41.079 --> 02:02:43.420 family? It is available to everybody. 02:02:45.300 --> 02:02:48.109 The thermostats to enroll within the program. You have 02:02:48.109 --> 02:02:50.180 to be on rate one which is the residential rate there 02:02:50.180 --> 02:02:53.500 in texas in our service territory. So that is the one 02:02:53.500 --> 02:02:56.609 qualifier they go into the site and they validate that 02:02:56.619 --> 02:03:00.890 they are a Account holder within our service territory 02:03:01.189 --> 02:03:04.180 in order to be eligible for the incentives and to participate 02:03:04.640 --> 02:03:05.970 the split between the two 02:03:08.060 --> 02:03:10.729 single family versus family customers. 02:03:12.270 --> 02:03:15.010 It's strictly going off of their account number and 02:03:15.010 --> 02:03:21.420 their address. So if it's a master meter, um, 02:03:23.000 --> 02:03:26.050 multi family, they would not be eligible because that 02:03:26.050 --> 02:03:28.329 would be under a commercial rate. Okay. 02:03:31.699 --> 02:03:35.229 Anything else Cost caps? How near are you guys near 02:03:35.229 --> 02:03:40.039 the residential with the frontier 02:03:41.880 --> 02:03:47.520 with the addition of the future wise program? 2022 02:03:47.520 --> 02:03:49.619 is the first year that we are predicted to exceed our 02:03:49.619 --> 02:03:52.689 residential cost cap. We have exceeded our commercial 02:03:52.689 --> 02:03:57.170 cost cap for a number of years now. Um, but now with 02:03:57.180 --> 02:03:59.909 the build out of our portfolio, we are evaluating ways 02:03:59.909 --> 02:04:02.869 to trim back our commercial spending in order to start 02:04:02.869 --> 02:04:04.020 to reduce that cost cap 02:04:05.890 --> 02:04:11.609 or they can, we're just over that is protected. 02:04:14.890 --> 02:04:18.359 Anything else? All right. Thank you guys. Thank you 02:04:25.989 --> 02:04:28.020 Folks may be having trouble dialed in. 02:04:31.479 --> 02:04:35.819 Listen to the broadcast. 32nd delay. 02:04:37.590 --> 02:04:41.640 Yeah. Um, they have tried to amuse us. We're not muted 02:04:41.640 --> 02:04:44.970 on that. So I don't know what's going on. We're having 02:04:44.970 --> 02:04:47.659 technical difficulties. So it does sound like the broadcast 02:04:47.659 --> 02:04:48.920 is the way to go. 02:04:52.590 --> 02:04:54.710 Right. Yeah. 02:04:56.689 --> 02:04:58.699 So what cow is up next? 02:05:01.689 --> 02:05:02.800 Mm hmm. 02:05:08.960 --> 02:05:11.409 Hi everybody. I'm Debra Miller and I'm with sweat coat 02:05:11.890 --> 02:05:16.069 Um, nice to see everybody this morning. Uh, I am here 02:05:16.069 --> 02:05:19.470 to talk about. Um, I've got a pretty good slide for 02:05:19.470 --> 02:05:21.390 the last part. I want to talk to you about, but we've 02:05:21.399 --> 02:05:24.579 got to go through the necessary stuff first. Hear the 02:05:24.590 --> 02:05:29.199 projections for 2022. That's pretty flat for us generally 02:05:29.210 --> 02:05:32.789 Um For the last couple of years we've been at the 4.4 02:05:32.789 --> 02:05:36.619 million or around there with the same savings projections 02:05:37.689 --> 02:05:38.409 next floor 02:05:40.090 --> 02:05:44.130 2023 24 potential programs. These are staying the same 02:05:44.140 --> 02:05:48.199 also. However, um like others have mentioned, we have 02:05:48.199 --> 02:05:52.619 umbrellas of things under these programs. Uh for instance 02:05:52.619 --> 02:05:57.039 our commercials are sea salt, um sea salt. We're starting 02:05:57.039 --> 02:06:00.899 a small age back program in that for a small commercial 02:06:01.050 --> 02:06:05.979 um customers. Our residential S. O. P. We have a very 02:06:05.989 --> 02:06:11.619 healthy back program, I think 280 for heat pumps last 02:06:11.619 --> 02:06:14.100 year. That's pretty good swept. So we're not huge. 02:06:14.479 --> 02:06:19.680 Um and then are hard to reach it. You know, we it 02:06:19.680 --> 02:06:22.289 goes as fast as we can get it. And we were really 02:06:22.300 --> 02:06:26.239 worked that program well in texas. Uh we're also starting 02:06:26.239 --> 02:06:31.420 in the score mtp um a cool saver program specifically 02:06:31.430 --> 02:06:35.090 for schools and to help them with the tune ups and 02:06:35.090 --> 02:06:37.670 then determine if if they need any kind of replacements 02:06:37.670 --> 02:06:40.260 or anything that's brand new this year and we're hoping 02:06:40.260 --> 02:06:42.210 that will be helpful. Okay, 02:06:44.779 --> 02:06:48.670 Alright, efficient product rebates now swept co has 02:06:48.680 --> 02:06:53.750 tradition. We have a rural, very rural area. And so 02:06:53.760 --> 02:06:58.000 because of that, we have um underserved measures, underserved 02:06:58.010 --> 02:07:01.619 counties and uh you know, we've tried everything from 02:07:01.630 --> 02:07:05.789 paying higher incentives to to make this better. Um 02:07:05.800 --> 02:07:09.350 And And it's just, it just kind of fell flat. It just 02:07:09.350 --> 02:07:11.329 wasn't people still weren't getting to these areas 02:07:11.329 --> 02:07:15.050 So we started in 2018, the last of 2018 we started 02:07:15.050 --> 02:07:18.460 our efficient products rebates and we started it with 02:07:18.460 --> 02:07:20.319 smart thermostats just to see what would happen and 02:07:20.319 --> 02:07:24.819 it really took off. And um so what what we do is 02:07:24.829 --> 02:07:27.579 we start and this is an example of our smart thermostat 02:07:27.579 --> 02:07:29.979 form is there in the middle, a customer goes and makes 02:07:29.979 --> 02:07:33.220 the purchase, they go they go in there, they'll um 02:07:33.229 --> 02:07:36.819 uh put all the information about the purchase in there 02:07:36.829 --> 02:07:40.210 and then we will send them a gift card as a rebate 02:07:40.220 --> 02:07:44.090 for that purchase. Well it's so successful that um 02:07:44.680 --> 02:07:47.359 we started adding other things to this and this has 02:07:47.359 --> 02:07:50.300 really helped in reaching these areas that people weren't 02:07:50.310 --> 02:07:54.119 going to. So these these folks now are going out and 02:07:54.119 --> 02:07:58.300 we've added um let's see, we've added E. V. Chargers 02:07:58.779 --> 02:08:01.939 uh pool pumps which are doing well in our area. They 02:08:01.939 --> 02:08:04.010 may not be everywhere, but they are they are in our 02:08:04.010 --> 02:08:07.699 area, air purifiers and heat pump water heaters. And 02:08:07.699 --> 02:08:09.729 we've had a few of those so we're doing pretty well 02:08:09.729 --> 02:08:12.210 with that. And so those folks that weren't getting 02:08:12.210 --> 02:08:14.489 served are now getting the products they need and we're 02:08:14.489 --> 02:08:17.579 getting some savings from them. So we're and it's varying 02:08:17.590 --> 02:08:22.260 um incentive or rebate gift cards for each one of those 02:08:22.260 --> 02:08:24.010 It just depends on the product they're purchasing. 02:08:24.670 --> 02:08:30.119 Um It's are you punks addressable, addressable so that 02:08:30.130 --> 02:08:33.359 you can use them in a demand response or load management 02:08:33.359 --> 02:08:38.380 program. Well uh No, we we don't have we don't have 02:08:38.380 --> 02:08:40.750 anything like that right now. Currently at swept code 02:08:40.800 --> 02:08:47.600 but that's an excellent point. Um We have this has 02:08:47.600 --> 02:08:51.949 done so well for us that we have increased, We have 02:08:51.949 --> 02:08:56.840 used 19 various products or measures out of the TRM 02:08:56.850 --> 02:09:01.750 just in the last year with but by adding this because 02:09:01.750 --> 02:09:04.279 we get such a wide variety of products out there for 02:09:04.279 --> 02:09:07.899 everybody to take advantage of it so far. So good and 02:09:07.899 --> 02:09:09.090 we're pretty proud of that. 02:09:10.770 --> 02:09:11.789 Any questions. 02:09:15.130 --> 02:09:21.170 Um So you guys don't have a new homes program? You 02:09:21.180 --> 02:09:24.069 do then the residential standard. 02:09:26.670 --> 02:09:29.449 All energy efficient products products. We have several 02:09:29.449 --> 02:09:34.520 builders. Uh At last count I think we had about eight 02:09:34.529 --> 02:09:39.189 builders in texas in our program. But that's a that's 02:09:39.189 --> 02:09:41.710 for individual measures or for the whole 02:09:46.670 --> 02:09:47.500 anything else. 02:09:49.270 --> 02:09:55.729 Alright. Yeah. 284 last year and inverter compressor 02:09:55.739 --> 02:10:03.390 or the elder. Um I'm gonna have to google that. Okay 02:10:03.399 --> 02:10:07.739 Alright. Anything else? Y'All right. Okay. Thank you 02:10:07.739 --> 02:10:12.460 very much. Yeah 02:10:15.819 --> 02:10:20.109 brian jeremy. I don't know who's presenting. Okay. 02:10:20.119 --> 02:10:23.180 Allison, it's great to have three folks from my 02:10:27.170 --> 02:10:28.550 that's my job today too. 02:10:33.840 --> 02:10:40.710 Okay. I'm obviously the last one. Mhm. I'll platform 02:10:40.710 --> 02:10:44.630 myself. Um Can you say your name against brian Woodson 02:10:44.630 --> 02:10:47.449 I'm the senior product portfolio manager for texas 02:10:47.449 --> 02:10:48.579 and new Mexico? 02:10:50.460 --> 02:10:55.029 Uh this is our budget that we have for 2022 going through 02:10:55.029 --> 02:11:00.880 it. What's different new uh Covid first we have on 02:11:00.880 --> 02:11:04.180 a small commercial ERCOT transpiration kind of deemed 02:11:04.180 --> 02:11:06.579 that program pretty good because small businesses were 02:11:06.579 --> 02:11:10.720 shutting so nobody wanted to worry about efficiency 02:11:10.729 --> 02:11:13.550 because they're not even open. That's the most efficient 02:11:13.550 --> 02:11:20.529 you can be. Right. So they kind of did better last 02:11:20.529 --> 02:11:23.119 year. So I'm hoping this this stays more consistent 02:11:23.130 --> 02:11:27.579 now in that range. We have lots of small businesses 02:11:28.260 --> 02:11:31.659 Especially in our 40s. One of the new businesses that 02:11:31.659 --> 02:11:35.770 we're really excited about in Amarillo is bucky. We 02:11:35.770 --> 02:11:42.079 are going to be like the rest of the state for you 02:11:42.460 --> 02:11:46.619 Alright. Home lighting, same thing. Everybody's talking 02:11:46.619 --> 02:11:51.000 about a little home lighting. Residential slp. So yes 02:11:51.000 --> 02:11:53.869 we do have S LPS and ERCOT transformation program. 02:11:54.960 --> 02:11:59.409 The residential slp kind of going a little less measures 02:11:59.420 --> 02:12:03.489 being available that we have. Um So we're branching 02:12:03.489 --> 02:12:06.109 out to other things and we'll get into the other things 02:12:06.109 --> 02:12:10.739 in a little bit uh smart thermostats. Still not that 02:12:10.750 --> 02:12:13.810 great up there in Amarillo but they're getting better 02:12:14.550 --> 02:12:17.229 So if you ask me about a residential program, we're 02:12:17.229 --> 02:12:20.920 not quite there yet on the level of smart thermostats 02:12:20.930 --> 02:12:22.380 but we're getting closer. 02:12:24.350 --> 02:12:27.399 Uh And I would like to have that program but we just 02:12:27.409 --> 02:12:31.140 don't have the size to make any difference. Turning 02:12:31.140 --> 02:12:37.529 off t n what was that? Um refrigerator recycling again 02:12:37.529 --> 02:12:40.380 That Covid kind of hit that one pretty bad in our area 02:12:40.949 --> 02:12:42.890 last year. We had a little bit of come back on it 02:12:42.890 --> 02:12:46.770 and I hope that that comes back further for the measures 02:12:47.649 --> 02:12:51.550 and are hard to reach of it. Like most of the utilities 02:12:51.550 --> 02:12:53.560 we don't have much problem hitting are hard to reach 02:12:53.560 --> 02:12:58.329 targets. Um We have a lot of hard to reach customers 02:12:58.340 --> 02:13:02.199 So that's the majority of what we have and the low 02:13:02.199 --> 02:13:05.569 income program also. And that low income program is 02:13:05.579 --> 02:13:09.359 a heat pump program. I have to ask for it here if 02:13:09.359 --> 02:13:12.510 they do targeted whatever you're inverting. I don't 02:13:12.510 --> 02:13:16.869 know. So I don't know that answer. 02:13:18.449 --> 02:13:18.770 Mhm. 02:13:20.750 --> 02:13:25.630 And R. And D. Budgets. This is where we're kind of 02:13:25.640 --> 02:13:28.829 branching out into a new program. It's a coach program 02:13:28.829 --> 02:13:31.060 and you mentioned that earlier about training the people 02:13:31.060 --> 02:13:33.710 that enforce the codes and that's what we're getting 02:13:33.710 --> 02:13:37.970 into is good. Um And working with that across texas 02:13:37.970 --> 02:13:41.359 and new Mexico, we've had some good success in the 02:13:41.359 --> 02:13:44.920 Amarillo area and the interest in it, that's the majority 02:13:44.920 --> 02:13:48.850 of our new home jermaine or built in that area. But 02:13:48.859 --> 02:13:52.090 that's where we're going. But that is the programs 02:13:52.090 --> 02:13:56.560 we're using our R. And D. Money for that. Any questions 02:13:56.560 --> 02:13:57.380 on this 02:14:02.539 --> 02:14:05.380 commercial side of it, The programs were keeping the 02:14:05.380 --> 02:14:08.489 commercial the same retro commissions. Very successful 02:14:08.489 --> 02:14:11.850 program. Uh The rest of utilities are like us but our 02:14:11.850 --> 02:14:15.199 largest customers don't want to screw with energy efficiency 02:14:15.199 --> 02:14:19.479 paperwork or any of that stuff. It is one yes we're 02:14:19.479 --> 02:14:22.680 in for it. But y'all do the work and get us that 02:14:23.000 --> 02:14:25.920 And so we basically have wielded energy that runs our 02:14:25.920 --> 02:14:28.470 extra large but I call it our extra large commercial 02:14:28.479 --> 02:14:32.529 program. Thank you. Um Presides retro commissioner 02:14:33.039 --> 02:14:36.170 so they did all the measures for changing our chillers 02:14:37.840 --> 02:14:41.380 What's in it for amazon coming in? We got amazon too 02:14:41.550 --> 02:14:46.159 So if you order big stuff from amazon it's gonna be 02:14:46.170 --> 02:14:51.539 a warehouse in Amarillo load management. Small commercial 02:14:52.239 --> 02:14:54.979 the same thing. But we are talking about small commercial 02:14:54.989 --> 02:14:58.689 hoping that gets to be bigger than beer through that 02:14:58.699 --> 02:15:03.460 residential slp. Uh what we're changing in that is 02:15:03.460 --> 02:15:06.689 I don't see it so much up there right now I guess 02:15:06.689 --> 02:15:09.989 I didn't add that. My fault. We're wanting to start 02:15:09.989 --> 02:15:14.189 an H VSC. Program next. That's my next slide. Okay 02:15:14.199 --> 02:15:17.369 Okay that's the next never. Sorry. 02:15:20.840 --> 02:15:24.489 Right currently we basically had our mind robert madden 02:15:24.489 --> 02:15:28.350 industries running our H. V. A. C. Program and the 02:15:28.359 --> 02:15:31.210 carrier dealers. We were only doing carrier products 02:15:31.220 --> 02:15:34.789 basically we need to really update that and give it 02:15:34.789 --> 02:15:38.279 across more side. So we're gonna go to a third party 02:15:38.279 --> 02:15:43.760 rand hbc part program focusing on making the easy to 02:15:43.760 --> 02:15:49.170 participate more company brands obviously in a simpler 02:15:49.170 --> 02:15:53.449 rebate structure and I hope they do inverters whatever 02:15:53.449 --> 02:15:54.229 that is. 02:15:56.710 --> 02:16:00.930 Okay I'm sure we're going to cover those. I'll make 02:16:00.930 --> 02:16:05.039 sure anyway. So that's that's the new program we want 02:16:05.039 --> 02:16:09.149 to put more focus on for, for a texas panhandle area 02:16:10.930 --> 02:16:14.760 and then coming in behind that I hope I was hoping 02:16:14.760 --> 02:16:17.449 I was gonna be the only one with school kids paso stole 02:16:17.449 --> 02:16:21.470 my thunder. So we are going to do some of our research 02:16:21.470 --> 02:16:25.390 our R and D. Money for school kids And are hard to 02:16:25.390 --> 02:16:28.850 reach areas in Amarillo at 1st and hopefully broaden 02:16:28.850 --> 02:16:30.960 that out to the restore service territory 02:16:36.329 --> 02:16:38.569 brian, is it worth mentioning under your lighting? 02:16:38.569 --> 02:16:41.319 You guys did partnerships with food banks? Oh yeah 02:16:41.329 --> 02:16:44.489 let's go back to that one. I don't know if you haven't 02:16:44.500 --> 02:16:48.940 we can't go back, go back, go back low income under 02:16:48.940 --> 02:16:52.530 a food bank program. We were the first utility to bring 02:16:52.530 --> 02:16:56.389 this out in Texas to partner with 40 food banks in 02:16:56.389 --> 02:16:59.049 our service territory that we gave away lights and 02:16:59.049 --> 02:17:01.250 showerheads. Mhm. 02:17:03.030 --> 02:17:06.540 Maybe they need refrigeration and food prep to nuts 02:17:07.229 --> 02:17:11.319 I'm sure they do. Ambarella does have like per capita 02:17:11.319 --> 02:17:15.870 the most restaurants of any city in texas. I'm sure 02:17:15.870 --> 02:17:17.190 we can do. And 02:17:18.729 --> 02:17:22.969 okay. But yeah, the food bank program was a big success 02:17:22.979 --> 02:17:25.670 We didn't get lots of thank you's from the communities 02:17:25.670 --> 02:17:29.750 that were involved with that And to roll that out pretty 02:17:29.750 --> 02:17:32.659 quickly to 40 different food banks across the panhandle 02:17:33.530 --> 02:17:36.170 That was pretty impressive and it wasn't me, it was 02:17:36.170 --> 02:17:38.950 our group behind me that did really well. 02:17:43.829 --> 02:17:48.209 Anything else do you do you include, you don't have 02:17:48.209 --> 02:17:52.020 a solar incentives. We did not have a solar. I'm not 02:17:52.020 --> 02:17:55.309 saying you should, I'm just curious, you know, go by 02:17:55.309 --> 02:17:57.979 go back and forth and back and forth, but solar is 02:17:57.979 --> 02:18:02.270 coming into our area. So why do we need to incentivize 02:18:02.270 --> 02:18:07.659 it? It's already there so much. But I am, it's one 02:18:07.659 --> 02:18:08.340 of those things that 02:18:10.520 --> 02:18:12.440 right now we're not doing that. 02:18:19.819 --> 02:18:23.989 Anything else cost caps, cost caps, jeremy. That's 02:18:23.989 --> 02:18:29.159 where your question comes in now. We have not hit the 02:18:29.159 --> 02:18:31.340 cost caps yet in previous filings but we are getting 02:18:31.340 --> 02:18:34.930 very close and specifically on residential um commercial 02:18:34.940 --> 02:18:37.409 we see in some of the classes, you know, obviously 02:18:37.409 --> 02:18:40.750 depends on your participation from the prior year allocate 02:18:40.750 --> 02:18:43.950 those costs. We saw a lot of um schools involved and 02:18:43.950 --> 02:18:45.989 so we saw that kind of rape take up a little bit 02:18:46.000 --> 02:18:49.049 but overall on an average we're kind of getting up 02:18:49.059 --> 02:18:49.950 there but not having it. 02:18:52.120 --> 02:18:53.440 No, we did a lot of school project. 02:18:58.819 --> 02:19:10.489 I am all right. Alright. So um as I pull up our 02:19:10.489 --> 02:19:15.180 slides here, um I would like to introduce Katie, who 02:19:15.190 --> 02:19:18.459 many people know uh people have to listen to me all 02:19:18.459 --> 02:19:21.690 the time. So it's been great to have Katie down. She 02:19:21.700 --> 02:19:24.489 is our residential lead. So she does all the E. M. 02:19:24.489 --> 02:19:28.930 And V. Overseas that team and works closely with you 02:19:28.930 --> 02:19:33.200 on all the updates to the residential TRM. So she is 02:19:33.209 --> 02:19:37.149 going to present for us today if I can get out of 02:19:37.149 --> 02:19:39.950 here and get arms up? Yes. 02:19:50.520 --> 02:19:51.030 Okay. 02:19:52.620 --> 02:19:56.209 Alright. Hi everyone, I'm Katie um and I'm gonna talk 02:19:56.209 --> 02:20:02.319 about the TRM update process. Um So the 02:20:04.309 --> 02:20:10.079 um the I. P. Starts the call for updates. Um So the 02:20:10.090 --> 02:20:15.649 goal with updating annually is to um improve the accuracy 02:20:15.649 --> 02:20:19.940 of the DM savings, um constantly expanding and finding 02:20:19.940 --> 02:20:23.459 new opportunities for savings um and then clarifying 02:20:23.469 --> 02:20:27.590 um different scenarios, the documentation and tracking 02:20:27.590 --> 02:20:32.500 requirements. Okay. So we take a collaborative approach 02:20:32.500 --> 02:20:37.069 to the update um as the commission's mmv contractor 02:20:37.069 --> 02:20:41.729 we review and we have updates and then we also have 02:20:42.409 --> 02:20:47.629 um updates that come from um and the individual utilities 02:20:47.629 --> 02:20:52.829 as well as listing I. P. Um And then additional research 02:20:52.840 --> 02:20:57.729 um this the update process is done through the TRM 02:20:57.729 --> 02:21:03.020 working group, we work closely with the commission 02:21:03.030 --> 02:21:07.489 um Frontier um and then the utilities and then any 02:21:07.489 --> 02:21:09.329 contractors that the utilities bring in. 02:21:13.110 --> 02:21:19.690 So the TRM format um has broken out into separate documents 02:21:19.700 --> 02:21:25.069 for ease of use. Um The first volume is an overview 02:21:25.069 --> 02:21:31.450 of the TRM as well as having important uh user guides 02:21:31.459 --> 02:21:34.270 including the weather zones, the peak demand definitions 02:21:34.510 --> 02:21:38.610 um and then volume two goes over all of the residential 02:21:38.620 --> 02:21:43.659 uh deemed measures. Um Volume three, it goes over the 02:21:43.670 --> 02:21:48.219 nonresidential deemed measures um and volume four is 02:21:48.219 --> 02:21:53.260 that MLB protocols for both residential and nonresidential 02:21:53.260 --> 02:21:56.909 measures that don't quite fit into the deemed measures 02:21:56.909 --> 02:22:01.920 So that includes solar PV. Um and then finally Volume 02:22:01.930 --> 02:22:05.510 five includes implementation guidance. This comes out 02:22:05.510 --> 02:22:09.250 and uh we'll put out guidance memos. Um it's where 02:22:09.250 --> 02:22:13.370 we can make clarifications um and um help with programming 02:22:13.440 --> 02:22:15.030 implementation documents. 02:22:18.600 --> 02:22:24.370 So the approval process, once the TRM um is updated 02:22:24.370 --> 02:22:27.149 it will go to commission staff to review and file the 02:22:27.149 --> 02:22:33.860 approval um and then there's the 45 day period to file 02:22:33.860 --> 02:22:37.600 a petition to challenge the changes. Um once that period 02:22:37.600 --> 02:22:43.280 ends then the approved changes that were not challenged 02:22:43.290 --> 02:22:47.829 will go into um be considered approved by the commission 02:22:51.600 --> 02:22:56.389 So E. I. P. Will kick off the call for TRM updates 02:22:56.420 --> 02:23:03.760 Um We'll solicit through E. I. P. The updates um and 02:23:03.760 --> 02:23:07.500 we'll be requesting that updates are submitted by May 02:23:07.500 --> 02:23:12.049 1st there's going to also be a listener that sent out 02:23:12.059 --> 02:23:16.530 with the reminder. So following this meeting um and 02:23:16.530 --> 02:23:20.950 then once the TRM is updated we will meet again in 02:23:20.950 --> 02:23:26.520 the fall um and go over those updates for 2023. Um 02:23:26.530 --> 02:23:30.149 At that point then there'll be a two week review period 02:23:30.159 --> 02:23:36.360 for comments. Um And then after that review period 02:23:37.200 --> 02:23:41.549 uh Mission profile, the TRM. And that typically happens 02:23:41.559 --> 02:23:43.319 that october november time frame. 02:23:48.000 --> 02:23:52.420 Alright. And any uh updates, submissions I have, we 02:23:52.420 --> 02:23:57.579 have uh Therese Lark and Tina are our tiara Manager 02:23:57.590 --> 02:24:01.700 um contacts up there um for submit requests for the 02:24:01.709 --> 02:24:02.909 2023 TRM, 02:24:05.889 --> 02:24:07.209 are there any questions 02:24:10.579 --> 02:24:16.430 is there a formal form that one submits? We we really 02:24:16.430 --> 02:24:19.329 just look for emails anyway. You want to get us the 02:24:19.329 --> 02:24:23.250 information? Um we we do care and you want to hear 02:24:23.250 --> 02:24:25.260 about what people are thinking about that we should 02:24:25.260 --> 02:24:28.489 include. So however you want to give us that information 02:24:28.500 --> 02:24:31.250 But as Katie said we send that out via you know the 02:24:31.250 --> 02:24:32.920 Ei P lesser. So 02:24:39.309 --> 02:24:44.010 so consider yourself solicited. 02:24:45.889 --> 02:24:48.430 Alright, I will say on the PV your good questions on 02:24:48.430 --> 02:24:52.139 tv that isn't our M and B protocols. It uses the Peavey 02:24:52.149 --> 02:24:55.780 Watts the D. O. U. Tool to do that. And like I 02:24:55.780 --> 02:25:00.190 said, I don't Mark program is RPV expert and I don't 02:25:00.190 --> 02:25:04.020 remember if PV is something We've already discussed 02:25:04.020 --> 02:25:08.950 for updates this year or not. The tool updates pretty 02:25:08.950 --> 02:25:17.209 regularly by so it is a 22. The information about that 02:25:17.219 --> 02:25:20.819 Yes. Yes yes yes. But unlike he pumps where I was able 02:25:20.819 --> 02:25:23.350 to say oh we already kind of talked about needing to 02:25:23.350 --> 02:25:29.020 make some changes given what happened in Fury. Um I 02:25:29.030 --> 02:25:31.739 don't know, I mean we've had conversations about PV 02:25:31.739 --> 02:25:34.579 along of like you know, westward facing versus south 02:25:34.579 --> 02:25:37.319 facing and things like that. But I don't know if Mark 02:25:37.329 --> 02:25:39.959 had identified specific changes for this coming year 02:25:39.969 --> 02:25:41.819 but the opportunity is open to do so. 02:25:47.190 --> 02:25:51.860 All right, we actually get to let everyone go for lunch 02:25:51.860 --> 02:25:55.209 I think we finished on a little bit early so that's 02:25:55.209 --> 02:25:57.690 always good question. Of course 02:25:59.280 --> 02:26:03.700 this is a question directed at puc staff. So the, the 02:26:03.700 --> 02:26:07.780 commissioners and the blueprint, um, they adopted in 02:26:07.780 --> 02:26:10.959 december said, said one of the things they want to 02:26:10.969 --> 02:26:15.110 look at is improving the performance of the efficiency 02:26:15.110 --> 02:26:20.370 programs. Um, have you gotten any more direction from 02:26:20.379 --> 02:26:24.000 commissioners? What that means or whether it will be 02:26:24.780 --> 02:26:28.190 either opening up the rule or examining the rules anytime 02:26:28.219 --> 02:26:31.229 during this year or is that no decisions have been 02:26:31.229 --> 02:26:33.659 made as of yet? I think that the commissioners are 02:26:33.659 --> 02:26:35.680 still making that decision. 02:26:38.280 --> 02:26:39.819 So stay tuned. Stay tuned. 02:26:46.079 --> 02:26:49.489 Do you want to wrap this up? All right, well everyone 02:26:49.489 --> 02:26:51.959 thank you so much for coming. It's great to see everyone 02:26:51.959 --> 02:26:55.200 in person and just a reminder. You know, if you have 02:26:55.200 --> 02:26:59.629 ideas for updates, the trn, please submit them to myself 02:26:59.629 --> 02:27:03.959 and lark and Tina. I know that collectively the utilities 02:27:03.969 --> 02:27:08.139 often have a really good set here in measure updates 02:27:08.139 --> 02:27:11.510 that are needed. And I know that Frontier also supplies 02:27:11.510 --> 02:27:15.840 them and also through ERCOT research. Tetra Tech also 02:27:15.840 --> 02:27:19.379 usually has a good set of ideas keeping up with industry 02:27:19.379 --> 02:27:22.629 standards. So I would encourage you all to, you know 02:27:22.639 --> 02:27:25.809 put on your thinking caps and, and we look forward 02:27:25.809 --> 02:27:28.000 to hearing from you and thank you for coming. Mm hmm 02:27:28.579 --> 02:27:29.799 Thank you. Thank you