Okay, it's not a happy one here.
You're so welcome. Welcome everybody. Yeah. Um we'd
like to go ahead and start out with the introductions
Yes, I'll turn it over to Mark who will probably be introducing Oncor so we can hear
about the winter load management program and then we
will move on to the updates by the utilities on what
to expect next year regarding.
Oh yeah. So to start off with, let's do introductions
in the room. Um, we'll start over. How about we start
with SPS and then we'll go to the room and then I'll
call for people on the but Allison, you can start Allison
McIntyre with SPS Hi jeremy, Lovelady with regulatory
SPS. Derek Newman Frontier Energy. Mark Delavan entergy
texas amy martin frontier Don johnson or electro terry
kessinger. I cf never wear of the results. No.
How about we start back over here, jean Perez. Encore
Gary jones on court, Russell, Bigelow ap texas, Danny
Trevino. Ap texas pam. Osterloh, ap texas, robert,
Cavazos texas. El paso electric still choice choice
brian. What's in SPS? Deborah miller swept coat morgen
Nielsen. Just Mexico power Stephanie case. TMP rashawn
johnson sent appointed Cheryl Richardson Centerpoint
energy and a basket around. Senior columns and arches
And how about we start in the back and do that. Things
are going Yes,
actually. Myers, Black energy beast, Sadie Brown Energy
Alison Silverstein. Independent consultants
one more time.
Um, Cyrus rewards.
I need to program, etcetera and I'll let Mark introduce
herself in a minute. So let's go online. So if you
would introduce yourself by company, just one person
per company let's Start with the electric utilities
Hi to introduce yourself. Can you please a mute and
introduce yourself and then mute back so that we can
control feedback.
Mm hmm.
Clock. Hi, who is this?
I'm sorry, I have like a definition. So this is Mohammed
from Walden energy station. Great. Welcome. Yeah
thank you.
Good morning. This is Yolanda played from Centerpoint
Energy,
are you gonna?
Good morning. This is mary carmen Soto what? Centerpoint
Energy? Good morning.
Mhm
Commander Harlan with Centerpoint Energy.
Good morning. Alright, this is Darrell nelson with
Encore.
Great, thank you.
Okay, great, well, let's move to the implementer tres
and energy efficiency service providers. Please introduce
yourself.
Do we have any
welcome? Good morning Lark. And everyone that's making
it daniel with I C. F. Welcome.
Mm hmm.
Okay, anybody else out there?
We have several members of the team are Okay, well
let's wrap up introductions. Um and I realized I forgot
to introduce myself. I'm Teresa Harris and the Public
utility commission and I'm the director of Infrastructure
Analysis and Mathy and I have the great pleasure of
working with Large Oakley on the end and verification
contract that the puc has. I'm gonna turn it over to
Lark. Alright, I actually am not presenting this. E
I P much except other than introducing um the utilities
and to set a little context for this presentation um
that we have Gary jones from encore is going to present
on their winter load management program. So previous
to this year, we only had summer load management programs
in the utility energy efficiency portfolio. So, um
Senate Bill three, did you know, roll out some allowance
for the utility commercial loan management programs
So there were discussions around those and also with
the winter storm fury, Everybody is aware of, you know
several grid reliability issues we've all been discussing
and all the different ways we can bring solutions to
the table. And one of the ways that encore decided
to do that was to include a winter load management
program in their portfolio. It's also the first time
it was a 24 7 program which as we know the way
winter goes at, you know, can really be a resource
when that cold hits. And um, so we are really excited
to hear more about it on the E. M. And V side
Um, Tetra tech subcontractor Energy Bs will be interviewing
participants which are both a combination of commercial
customers that participated directly. As well as some
aggregators to hear about how did recruitment go? But
nobody online. Can hear you just on the Youtube channel
or video channel.
Mm hmm. Thank you. Sorry about that. Um, I'm just doing
an introduction of encore. So really what they say
is important versus me. I was just kind of setting
the stage of um, how they quickly rolled out a winter
load management program. So we're looking forward to
hearing about that and we will be gathering more information
Um you know, if this is something that is decided to
be continued in portfolios to support their success
So. Gary over to you.
Good morning. Good morning.
This morning. I'm gonna just take a few minutes and
discuss our winter load management program. We put
it together pretty quickly last year, Late last year
Excuse me,
if you want a clicker or I can pour it for you
uh you can go ahead and move to the first slide As
Lark was saying uh their Senate Bill three came as
a result of the winter storm Uri and several other
utilities took advantage of that that particular clause
and decided to put together winter load management
programs using a regulatory asset outside of energy
efficiency encore still had room under our cost caps
So we elected to go ahead and develop a program within
our energy efficiency portfolio. We've always felt
like we had the capability of doing a winter load management
program without this additional Senate bill three authorization
simply because our goal is to reduce peak demand. And
we've defined uh pura and both the rural and pure and
both defined winter peak periods. So we uh created
this program to cover those winter peak periods and
reduce load there. But additionally, we felt like it
was important to have the resource available. Your
24/7 during that period.
We published the program template in the ei p docket
in late october with a 14 day uh comment period. We
received no comments on on the program in the template
Additionally, we reviewed the program with the state
evaluator clark and her team to make sure that uh it
was going to be in compliance and that the calculations
we're going to be correct uh in accordance with the
TRM and there were some adjustments made to ensure
that we could do that in the winter load management
We have just completed our settlement or e CRF settlement
and the program kind of came up after that. So we elected
to not ask for any additional funding. We moved funding
from other programs and from our administrative expenses
to help cover this particular program.
And uh we worked with the commission, some of the other
utilities that were doing the regulatory asset. There
were certain things that came out of their settlement
um with regard to like reporting to the reps the participants
And so we uh we elected to go ahead and comply with
those saying restrictions or requirements
you can move on to the next. Excuse me. My allergies
have been acting up and it's, my voice is still cracking
Um, so the, this is just our program design, the period
is from december through february and we'll claim savings
in the in the year, the february, the ending year,
we'll make payments in that year. So the savings of
the payment will correspond to each other
and and the items with the asterix are things that
are different from our commercial load management program
uh the operational hours or 24 hours a day, seven days
a week in lieu of just the peak periods. And in our
summer load management programs, it's only operational
during those peak periods. So we're beginning to have
internal discussions now on whether or not we should
expand Our summer programs to be 24 7 also to potentially
provide more value to the grid through the through
the programs. Uh It's a 30 minute notice which is consistent
with an E. A. Level two requirement and the minimum
load that can be subscribed is about 100 kw.
We uh we allow commercial customers reps and aggregation
groups to participate and we had we had several of
each uh there was one scheduled event that we hold
that we hold during the peak period and we'll have
a discussion around that here in just a minute. And
the program allows six events for up to 12 hours, which
is substantially more than our our summer load management
program. But again, we felt like if the if we did go
into an event it could be a long lasting event, so
we wanted to be able to have that capacity.
Another requirement that we made uh the participants
in the program have to participate in at least 90%
of their uh contracted loads, so if they contract 100
kw, They have to curtail at least 90 kw through all
of the events. So if we had multiple events the expectation
would be that they would curtail at least 90 kw. And
if they don't they don't get paid basically that's
the penalty. So they have to uh have to be the requirement
Our budget was about $2 million. We had a goal of 50
MW With a $40 kw incentive. And we we check our critical
load list as one of the requirements and additionally
we compare it with ERCOT crs list to make sure that
there's no double counting.
We're going to the next. So the results, we uh excuse
me, we had a 50 megawatt goal. We actually achieved
about 34.7 megawatts. We had a very short recruiting
timeframe and and as a result we actually had a lot
more but several of the providers either provided a
easy I. D. S. That were already in er s. And one
rep provided a couple of easy I. D. S. That were actually
on our critical load list. So we took those out of
the program. So we ended up at about 34.7 uh and spent
about one point million dollars on that. We haven't
made a payment yet. We're still going through the final
evaluation of the results and as soon as we get those
completed we'll make payments and and move forward
program. So are we had four participants in about 34
easy I. D. S. The actual accounts included an industrial
customer, a big box retailer and a distribution warehouse
company that that offered up their their warehouse
and their distribution center. The test event occurred
on 15 December from 7 to 10 a.m. And there were no
actually a level two events called. But the program
was available during the Winter Storm Langdon that
happened in early 2022.
So what did we learn from the program? Number one?
Don't try to stand up a program in three weeks because
it's really not the easiest thing to do. Um But we're
going to continue to evaluate the number of events
and the incentive levels. I think it's important that
we optimize that uh we want to to get that savings
or have those resources available at the minimum cost
that we can possibly get. So we're gonna continue to
look at that. Additionally, we want to make sure that
the program is substantial enough to offer up value
to ERCOT in the grid when they need it. And so we're
gonna continue to look at the program design. Uh ERCOT
TRS splits their program into different hours and tranches
throughout the day. You know, we're we're looking at
it because some you know, some businesses aren't open
Not many businesses are open 24 hours a day, seven
days a week and we want to have resources available
throughout the day. So we're trying to look at how
should we redesign the program to maybe optimize that
Uh let's see uh industrial opt outs although they're
not contributing to E CRF, they do provide a valuable
resource in the event that we have a ERCOT grid emergency
So should there possibly be an exception for industrial
lockdowns to participate? As only in load management
not in energy efficiency programs but only in in load
management programs. That could certainly open up the
uh pool of potential participants in the program and
uh could you know, bring additional resources to mayor
if we needed them?
Critical load. We had several critical load customers
that had backup generation who wanted to be in the
program. And uh we we just basically denied them. We
we felt like we didn't want to get into that issue
this year, we're going to continue to evaluate it.
We we have the capability of doing that in the summer
load management program but in the winter it just seems
a little tough to be able to do that. So we're gonna
continue to look at that work with the commission staff
and the evaluator to figure out what's, you know, what
are the right answers to some of these. And and again
these are just questions that we're trying to resolve
over the next year.
Ah and again considering considering whether we should
make the commercial load management program in the
summer time of 24/7 program to provide those resources
because we we can't have an event anytime day or night
so why not have those resources available? The participants
may or may not like that, but I think it's it's important
again, if we're going to have these programs, uh it's
important that we have the resources available. Um
when uh we had had the winter storm uri, we got a
call about one am asking us to deploy our our load
management resources and it was really disheartening
to not be able to have any resources available to do
that. Right? Because the program had was summer only
and we had no resources that we could call on. So we're
you know, we're trying to beef up our programs to make
sure that we are available in the event of a real emergency
in the future. Some operational things that we uh we
dealt with and learned temperatures in december can
vary dramatically. So when you're running your test
event It could be 85 or it could be 30 and unfortunately
this year, the temperature, I forget what the temperature
was, it was pretty warm the day that we did it, but
we needed to get that uh event done so that we could
go ahead and establish the contracts with the participants
So we uh we called it, but ideally we would want to
call the event under the conditions that we would expect
them to actually perform it. So we would have preferred
a cold day or a freezing day, something like that.
Uh Some commercial premises have restrictions on when
they can operate their generators. And a lot of the
participants in the program used generation back up
while they're in the event,
they're allowed to operate during an emergency, but
during a scheduled event, they're not necessarily allowed
to operate their generator from 7 to 11 in the morning
And we called this event at seven in the morning. And
so there was some conflicting things that went on there
and we've decided next year, well, due to events, we'll
do one in the morning and one in the afternoon so that
we can accommodate for those generators who cannot
run in the morning. But again, during an actual event
they would be able to operate at any time. It's just
there, there t ce que requirements on there on non
emergency operation.
Let's see. Uh some businesses are closed, whatever
if we have an event. So how do we manage that? The
way we're handling it right now is asking them not
to open if they're already closed, don't open. If they're
you know, if they normally open at seven and we're
in the middle of an event, just don't open and and
stay down and we'll pay them to do that.
But again, these are issues, we probably need processes
and procedures in place to actually handle it on a
consistent basis across the state. Uh we're gonna increase
our outreach efforts start them earlier this time in
early september and let's see, oh and again, we're
finding that it's critical that we continue to work
closely with ERCOT on sharing information about participating
participants in each of the programs. And we send our
kind of file of all of our participants and they send
us a file of theirs and we update and check that on
a monthly basis during um during the period of time
that these load management programs are in place. But
that's very important to continue to do that.
Uh Again reviewing participants on the critical load
list and making sure that you're not signing up people
who are on the critical list. We feel like that's still
important. Our internal notification process, we're
in the middle of revising that right now. Initially
our T. G. M. R transmission grid management organization
gets a call from ERCOT on their emergency phone, they
notify energy efficiency. We put together a basically
a scripted document that we sent to the call center
and then they will send out texts emails and make phone
calls to the to the aside lists that during the day
works pretty well. But you know, at one o'clock in
the morning if people are asleep or have their phones
turned off. Energy efficiency is kind of the the stopping
point of that. Uh T. G. M. And our call centers are
both open 24 7. So we're revising the process to make
sure that the notification goes directly from TGS to
the call center That way they can begin to call process
and get that going and then we'll be notified after
the fact.
Okay, next steps uh Again, we're gonna work with the
state evaluation commission staff to make sure that
the programs are providing value, that we're meeting
all the requirements of the program. Um and there,
you know, this is we're learning from it. So there's
a good opportunity for us to revise the program and
really make it robust in in the future. Again, there's
a lot of discussion right now down here in austin about
where load management should reside and should it all
reside in ERCOT Well, we'll see where that goes this
year also and that will have a big impact on whether
or not we continue this particular program. How do
we finalize savings and claim those savings against
our energy efficiency goals? We need to make a final
determination of that and really get a process in place
to do it and then determine whether to continue the
program. We're still up in the air. And this was a
pilot this year to see if we could provide value and
it appears to be a good program. I think that the mix
of customers that we got was diverse enough that, you
know, it can offer value, but we need to make a decision
around that and then at what level do we need this
program to operate. Uh there's always a lot of questions
about are we doing too much load management? Too little
load management. Um do we, you know, is this a 50 megawatt
program? This is a 25 megawatt present, 1000 megawatt
program. We just need to figure out where we need to
be. And then we're, the intent is we're going to file
it in our 2023 expert as a program and then we'll go
from there. So
any questions I'm hearing more about crypto mines,
are you guys targeting them significant? You know,
we, we've had some discussions, there have been several
that have been coming into the service area. Um, I
don't know how we're gonna handle those? Exactly. A
lot of they're just putting up a building next to a
substation. I mean it's just like a metal building
and so we're trying to figure out is there a way that
we can work with them to do some things on the, on
the data side. On the data center side because it's
just a huge data center is all it is. Right. So yeah
Yes to two questions. Um, well, first of all, thank
you for trying this. It's exciting You said that you
felt like even without SB3, you could have run this
program, but isn't isn't the difference that you could
communicate more directly with the customers or you're
doing this through a third party, we do the energy
efficiency side, we do through a third party. We we
have third party aggregation groups, reps, and then
we can communicate directly with large customers who
want to participate. You felt like you could already
do what you need to simply because you know, our goal
is to reduce peak demand. We've defined peak periods
in the winter and so we we can put programs around
any kind of, you know, peak demand reduction. What
we've done here is done a 24/7 program but it encompasses
those peak periods that we were looking at. There's
nothing that says, we can't do additional savings outside
of those peak periods. Right. So we've always felt
like, and then could you just tell us what the actual
mechanics of the savings were? Was it just turning
down the thermostat? Was it turning off the operations
completely? Like what was the, where, where were the
50 megawatts or the 34 megawatts actually coming from
So there there were several and it really depends on
the industry. We we had a variety of industries that
participated in the program. Big box retailers typically
turn off part of their lighting. So you have a huge
store and maybe they turn off the lights uh this particular
one has a centralized BMS building management system
So they can turn off lights and multiple stores at
the same time, you can cut back on the air conditioning
in the store, depending upon what time of day it is
obviously if it's late at night, maybe they can shut
down the heating and cooling completely. Right? So
if in that case they are using a backup generator and
they're just so so another customer does use a backup
generator, they switch over to the generator and disconnect
from the grid essentially and operate as an island
separate from the grid. So uh they'll do that. And
then others just, you know, the normal things just
shutting down the air conditioning, uh sub shut down
operations, you know like conveyor belts and things
of that nature? They can shut down but it really depends
on the industry and we don't look that closely at how
they do it? We just look at their a my day to
make sure that they do do it whatever it is. Right
So
yes ma'am questions. The first one is, the presentation
is going to be available in the project.
And the second one is, I think you mentioned evaluating
whether industrial customers have basically opted out
such that they don't have to pay the easier to participate
in the management. So are you gonna continue to evaluate
that as encores moving their program into the sierra
Yes, we have. It's a touchy question and and we've
really got to come to grips with, is it is it worth
making an exception for them solely in load management
programs because we're talking about grid emergencies
and we need as much load reduction as we can get during
those emergencies. Is it worthwhile making an exception
for that type of program? Or do we just continue to
say that the they they've opted out so they're not
eligible for any?
Yeah. So yeah, I mean, so there are a lot of issues
around that. I just bring it up as a question that
we need to investigate. Well, we'll just see where
that goes. It may not go anywhere. So and then the
last question was as you're assessing like the size
of the potential program, like kind of going forward
but also talking with like and other potentially interested
ERCOT participants about the impact of that program
on pricing to ensure that you don't send negative signals
to the ERCOT. We we do our best to make sure that
the program isn't in such a size that it has a negative
impact on pricing. You know, our our goal is to provide
resources to be available in the event of a grid emergency
And uh if you look at the times when you're going to
have a great emergency, prices are probably going to
be at the cap anyway. More than likely. So. And I doubt
that anything that we do would have much of an impact
on that, reducing it from that cap. Yeah.
Yes, sir. Mr fill It may be a question for lark. It's
a basic question, is there a standardized methodology
for calculating baselines for load management programs
Summer winter the same. So we chose when we rolled
out a new methodology for winter, we chose to go, we
have five out of 10 that's used in the baseline and
summer we expanded that to eight out of 10 for winter
That is one of the methods that Ercot uses. Um part
of the reason we did this summer one is because of
thunderstorms that would knock out power lines meters
So We had that discussion for mine, we may be revisiting
and moving to eight out of 10 for summer two, I don't
know. Um the other change we made is in summer, it
always has to be the preceding period that's used for
the baseline Because we're kind of always consistently
hot. Right? But winter doesn't work that way. I mean
look at what just happened, it was 80 all weekend and
now suddenly we're in the 50s. So we wanted to allow
the flexibility that that baseline could be calculated
either before or after the event. Um just based on
when that cold front came in and there's just a lot
more variability in winter weather. So we made that
change as well. I think for practical purposes, you
all did just use the preceding this year because that's
something that they were used to. But we wanted to
build in that flexibility that it can take into account
when that cold front hit. It would be different for
weather sensitive loads versus non weather but you
don't even, it's consistent. We we don't know if it's
a weather sensitive load that we're working with or
not. So it's a consistent methodology that we use
question on the phone.
Hi, this is Aaron brian, baldwin centrica business
solutions were queasy and demand response provider
Um first following up on the question that you just
had about baselines, do you do you use an in day adjustment
So if you're looking at I guess the winner you said
hi eight of 10, do you look at adjusting that up or
down based on conditions the day of the event to sort
of incorporate Yes. In both summer and winter we have
a day of adjustment. Yes. Good question Is it capped
at like 20% or 50% or something like that? I don't
think it's kept, I don't yeah, it's a two hour ahead
adjustment. I don't think it's captive but I would
have to go back and look, do you know? Okay,
we will we will circle back on that when we distribute
materials um and I will confirm that for sure. Um it
is it is all the all the methodology is publicly available
that spells all that out and the TRM the texas technical
reference manual so that is all publicly available
and out there um but
I just need to double check. Yeah, I don't know actually
I don't think great our load management lead is on
and she will be able to answer that question.
Yes, it is 50%,, 50%. Okay, that's great. And then
the other questions I had to do with the pricing that
you arrived at initially and then I guess related is
is for the cost benefit analysis after the fact what
did, what do you use as the, I'm not sure what the
proper term is protections, but like the avoided costs
or the, you know, the cost of the alternative. What
what would be the metric against which you would compare
the prices for load management versus, I don't know
what, I don't know what the alternative is, but how
do you look at that and how did you determine the prices
going into the season for this first go round. We,
we compare against the avoided cost of capacity, which
is calculated by commission staff every november. And
and it's based on the overnight construction cost of
a, I think a combined cycle combustion turbine
And so that, and it's right now it's $80 and it's fun
at that level for quite a while. Um, and so our programs
are cost effective so long as the total expenditures
in the program, uh, are less than the net benefits
of the program. So are less than the avoided costs
Excuse me. And so are our program right now we send
it at $40 K W uh, we felt like we were asking
The customers to be available 24 hours a day, seven
days a week. And we felt like we needed high enough
incentive to actually get participation in the program
That that's a big ask for particularly for large companies
not knowing whether they could, you know would have
to shut down for you know, complete days, put potentially
And additionally we're asking for a 12 hour load curtailment
and up to six of those during the period. So it was
uh it was important, we felt like that was a fair price
and actually we were kind of testing the ERCOT and
we'll continue to do that if you look at our summer
load management program Several years ago we were at
$50 at KW and we've been testing the ERCOT and continuing
to reduce that amount And I think we're at $30 at KW
now for that program. So we're we're testing the ERCOT
to see what it will bear and so that we can continue
to get participation. So just just an observation and
so you know, if you can't tell from my accent or lack
thereof that uh from the Northeast my backgrounds in
mainly in new york and um Con Edison has been running
these utility demand response programs in parallel
with the new york, I suppose programs for I don't know
the better part of a decade if not longer than that
And one of the things they started basically set the
payment to be almost equal to the avoided costs. So
essentially giving all of the money away to participants
and that's how the program started. And then as the
program involved, they've sort of rashes and the numbers
back So that you know, you can get cost benefit numbers
that were by program designed set at basically .99
or one zero. So it's it makes sense. And it sounds
like you're I forgot what you said the capacity cost
was but it's sounds like you're in about half. About
half. Okay,
well, good, good job. These are these are really great
programs. They can you can definitely have, you know
utility programs working in parallel with wholesale
programs. And it's good to see you guys and the other
utilities, you know, working on these programs. God
bless you for trying to get it done in a month's time
Mm.
Um maybe this is a question for the wider panel later
but residential demand response in winter, Is that
something you guys have looked at? Is that
okay? I'm asking whether there's the potential to do
residential demand winter load programs and whether
either encores looked at it and maybe future panelists
whether they've looked at it. We're we're currently
doing a summer residential load management program
and we have about 34,000 accounts in that program.
Winter is a little different animal because you're
looking at you take your coffee in here. We're looking
at a
so we're looking at it. But again, there's there are
a lot of safety aspects to Yeah. All right. Do you
have any questions for mR drugs?
No. Okay, thanks. Well, I'm not quite sure who's next
up on the agenda, but I know it.
All right. Mhm. So, I think right now we'll go ahead
and move into the ERCOT updates, utility updates. Um
Clark who was 1st. That's what I thought. Mhm hmm.
Do you want me to do your slides for you or do
you want? Um Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Um Gary essentially gave me the floor because he knows
he doesn't want to talk longer than necessary. Very
tough act to follow. But I'll do my best.
Good morning. My name is Jean Perez. I am manager for
energy efficiency and in compliance with encore. Um
today we have the opportunity to talk about our encore
energy efficiency portfolio for 2022 and in 2023, next
slide please. So for 2022 we set our budget as approved
in last year's E CRF at 50.4 million. Um, as you know
we already have the winter commercial load management
pilot as part of our budget. This was not part of our
energy efficiency. Um, the profiling from last year
However, as Gary mentioned earlier, Um, we wanted to
make sure that the winter commercial load management
pilot is part of a 2022 portfolio without requesting
for additional budget. So we accommodated incentive
budget. Kwh kwh for the program. The good thing is
coming into the paper on april 1st knowing what our
load is for winter commercial load management is, we
are able to adjust our budget to accommodate how much
is our achieved versus the stated goal uh and how much
are kW kWh is, so then we're able to adjust our budget
in time for the april 1st filing, so that takes into
account majority of of our programs as well as budget
adjustments for the commercial sector. Um This budget
will be the budget KW and kWH will be achieved by a
variety of standard offer programs as well as ERCOT
transformation programs. In 2021 we have had the success
of standing up new ERCOT transformation programs. One
is, we've stood up the residential new home construction
program in 2021 we've also switched our small business
direct install into a service provider model where
we have service providers strategically located outside
of the DFW metro, ensuring that our incentives and
our savings actually touch those outside of the metro
Um Of course we also stood up the commercial midstream
pilot, this is formally known as the formerly known
as the commercial H V A C distributor program. We transitioned
it to a commercial midstream because we do plan on
integrating additional measures beyond just H V A C
for commercial, our targeted megawatt is at 165 with
megawatt hours of 254,532. Um that's beyond the 95.1
goal and about 164,000 megawatt hour goal for 2022
Next slide please, do you know what that corresponds
to on a, like a capacity factor, the savings versus
the, the VCR. Does anyone know what I'm saying?
There's a, there's a 20% capacity factor of 20% conservation
conservation
at the 20 2 54,000.
The number that's in my head is 165,000. But I am doing
the 2022 2023 paper so I don't want to give you the
wrong information because at this point it is all jumbled
in my head so I just like 25% like the one thing
I would say is, so 2022 we have a 95.1 megawatt goal
that's the regulatory requirements because we didn't
hit the 4/10 of 1% in 2019. Our megawatt hour goal
is thus subscribe to the 20% conservation load factor
I love math, I just can't calculate the 95% with the
line loss. So bear with me, I will give you that information
Uh, so what's coming in 2023 2020 for the same thing
Majority of our standard offer programs as well as
ERCOT transformation programs. So that comes with the
commercial standard offer home energy efficiency solar
for both residential and commercial. Um of course we
also have our heart to reach targeted weatherization
low income programs as well as what I mentioned earlier
ERCOT transformation for small business, commercial
midstream, what will be you for this year? And I will
be talking about this in the next slide is our strategic
energy management ERCOT transformation program of course
the winter commercial loan management program. And
in 2023 we will be introducing the low income HDs tuner
program. Yes ma'am cam, I don't see heat pumps anywhere
on this uh heat pump is embedded as part of our home
energy efficiency standard offer program to operate
as a measure.
The percent of heat pumps done through the programs
has gone up drastically over the last few years, correct
Has anybody considered putting a provision on solar
that requires energy efficiency be done first? So,
and I can talk about it actually in the next slide
we have changed our solar program, especially the residential
to be able to adjust to ERCOT transformation as well
Um the needs for the solar has changed so much that
we're we've redesigned the program such that we're
able to cater specifically to what the ERCOT is requiring
Now whether or not it's energy efficiency first is
we do our solar based on what the TRM um states our
savings would be. And my understanding is that the
priority is energy efficiency and
has maybe this is a question for lark rather than you
Has anyone looked at whether energy savings are still
irrelevant metric for doing programs like these.
In other words, if would you get more bang for the
buck by doing this for peak savings rather than energy
savings. Since that's really what texas issue is today
So our goals are based on the reduction of peak demand
and that's our primary goal. We've we've created a
excuse me, we've we've created an energy goal Based
on the 20% conservation load factor. So at the end
of the day, our goals, our demand based in reducing
people. Man, that's right. But although I do want to
say that what while we're tracking our historical um
we have been seeing an increase of our energy savings
in relation to our demand savings. So while to Gary's
point, while our goals are based off of demand and
then our energy is based off of the 20% conservation
load factor calculation our energy savings that we
have been achieving from our program has been increasing
in line with the peak demand savings that we're seeing
as well. Thank you.
Um had a quick question on the residential new home
construction. I assume that's a program where you're
paying builders if they go above the base energy code
And is it 15% or currently it's above code for ie 6
2015, I didn't put a slide for residential new home
construction here. but for a residential new home construction
we're actually paying beyond code. And we were paying
both on the prescriptive measures as well as for homes
that have the energy star certification, as well as
the zero energy ready home certification. And I'm sure
everyone in this room is aware that both Seiko is looking
at the 21 code and a number of the cities, including
the north central Texas, cities are also starting to
look at the 21 codes. And so would that mean assuming
they did go to new code saying 2023 would you then
adjust your program in 2024 or? Absolutely, absolutely
What what we do? And I'm sure a lot of the other
utilities on an annual basis. We are able to look at
our ERCOT transformation programs if they perform well
don't perform well if they're achieving more than the
savings and not beyond the savings, I've had the opportunity
to do it in other portfolios and other states where
we do a three year plan. Um, the one benefit about
having it on a one year plans. We are able to adjust
accordingly in real time, not as fast as we would want
it to be, but we are able to see it and then
adjust are based on those requirements.
I think it's also important to note even if they do
go to that new code, there's a rollout period.
Can sometimes spot here. Right. I mean it takes a lot
of sitting a lot longer to. Okay, so that that's something
that we need to take into consideration because we're
still trying to push the ERCOT and, and to be clear
I would be in favor of even getting credit for helping
educate people meet the code because I think there
are a lot of cities where no one's, I mean, I don't
think Austin's example, but there are a lot of cities
where frankly people aren't really meeting the code
So anything you guys can do to help we have in the
DFW area, we do have cities that are already at home
So we have a variety of cities to your point that does
not meet code yet. And there are some TVs that are
are already a quote even beyond what we could offer
for energy efficiency.
We did a consumption analysis not that long ago, maybe
two years ago on new homes. And you could really see
the difference of the savings you had. So for example
enter jeez territory mark. So the Woodlands looked
pretty good. But then, I mean there were still savings
but wow, we're they're savings when you got over, you
know, further east. Um so you could really see within
one utility differences in the savings compared to
another participating homes. All depends on the building
officials.
Alright, if there are no more questions on this slide
I'll go over to the next slide, please Thank you lark
So for 2022, what are the new programs that we have
for our portfolio? Um I'll start with the winter commercial
load management. Of course, Gary has had the opportunity
to talk very in detail. Um what that program is. Um
I'll touch on it very quickly quickly. The program
does start in December of the prior program year until
February of the current program here. We recognize
that program as part of this year because the payout
and the savings will be recognized for this year. Um
It is a 24 hour 24 7 operation last year. He's to
Gary's point. We stood up the program in three weeks
which only left us about a week for recruitment. So
kudos to my encore team kudos to my program manager
to be able to stand that up very quickly. Um It's safe
to say it wasn't easy and we didn't make sure we adhere
to the order that came out in notifying participants
Um rapid records as well as notifying ERCOT I will
go back to a strategic energy management ERCOT transformation
program. So this is a program that caters to the commercial
sector. It's a custom fit energy concierge approach
approach. It's essentially a relationship building
approach where our service provider goes and reaches
out to the large commercial industrial, those that
have not opted out of E. CRF as well as our agricultural
customers to talk to them about an action plan. Look
at their current operation and where they can change
their operations from current to um to a better state
More energy efficiency state. Um A variety of measures
that goes with this are your prescriptive measures
in addition to retro commissioning and again it's it's
a it develops ongoing coaching as well as support to
the personnel of that specific premise. Um As I mentioned
earlier we are also introducing H. V. A. C. Tuneup
program in 2023. And so currently in current state
we do offer H. V. A. C. Measures to are hard to
reach program but there is difficulty in the optic
for that because it is still expensive even for the
hard to reach customers. When we design and look at
our programs, we always want to make sure that commercial
sector hard to reach sector residential sector, it's
across the board. Um You would notice that there are
there are a lot more program designs and measures coming
through for a commercial but we want to make sure we're
able to focus also on our heart to reach and the H
V. A. C. Tune up is one of those that we designed
to be able to overcome those ERCOT barriers where we
provide little to no additional cost to the customer
on a C. System to nuts. Um Similarly, additional program
updates for this year is we have added commercial measures
into additional commercial measures that's in the TRM
for the standard offer commercial standard offer program
We've added about eight. this includes lodging, guest
room, occupancy, sensor controls, demand controlled
kitchen ventilation, ventilation, condenser, air evaporative
cooling, energy star commercial ice makers, vending
machine, I think I mentioned vending machine controls
Um there's about eight of them, I have them memorized
last night, but obviously experts and some of them
today. Um And of course, similarly we have a very successful
retail products program platform. Currently it's lighting
and smart thermostat. We do want to, we're moving along
with the ERCOT. So this year 2022 we will be introducing
non lighting measures into our retail products platform
Um we've caveat about six. We plan to roll out in the
next three years. This year it will be air purifiers
advanced power strips and roommates is and this will
be offered through our retail channels. Um residential
solar. So this is what I mentioned earlier, we have
been seeing a large uptick in our solar programs. What's
new this year is we will be incentivizing solar systems
for only for those that have battery storage. We're
not claiming any savings from the battery storage,
but we are, as I mentioned earlier, moving with the
ERCOT because we are seeing an increase of solar programs
that have better storage systems. Um We're not doing
anything with pattern storage, but we are just using
it as a qualifier for solar program. And last but not
the least. Again, low income program, We always want
to make sure we're able to cater to the ERCOT. So this
year we have, we are providing our H. V A C. Program
with a smart thermostat bundle and this is offered
through our heart to reach standard offer program.
Um that's that's uh this is all my updates for encore
As I mentioned earlier on an annual basis. We always
make sure we look at our current portfolio where we're
going. We have um we've opened up an incubator program
and have also opened a ideas solution site on or take
a load of texas, the website for encore energy efficiency
This will allow for companies, individuals that wants
to submit an idea into encore. They would be able to
do it through a site especially if they don't know
anyone with an encore yet.
Um, questions that's not. Do your PV programs include
a requirement for um island thermostat inverter? Not
yet. That that is a question that has come up um to
do that because because there's gonna be a lot of customers
were piste off they get if you have helped them buy
a tv unit that does not keep their lights on. The good
news is the majority of our aggregators work directly
with the customers so they are able to provide the
education. We have had several conversations with that
coming up. So that to your point that is also part
of it if you're going to only do that for people who
already have batteries, you should also be helping
out by requiring that they're being programming that
enables the battery to actually work with the PV and
also to discharge as the tv as the sun goes down. Absolutely
yes, ma'am, I need some more details about the solar
programs you're talking about with the battery storage
that are in your easier, like who gets to participate
So these are residential customers, I'm not sure we
have a limitation in third party, like retail electric
provider or like, so when we, all of our programs are
offered through a third party, so it's through a service
provider. Majority special majority of them are all
solar service providers,
um multi family, So on the, on the low income program
is that for for a single family home or does that include
multi family? So you can do a C tune ups, like if
there's a big unit for the whole building, will you
You'll include that. That's good. So, are those programs
reaching out directly to the building owner and manager
So we have, we will have an implementer for this program
And yes, the implementer will have a service provider
where the service provider will reach out directly
to the building owners or single family homes. Mhm
Why not break break it up so that you are doing a
separate specific for the multi family dwellings because
that's a completely different sales process and a completely
different customer and a completely different product
and service suite. Absolutely. So we actually have
a very successful multi family um program are implementer
has, has a multi family system and to your point has
a very different process. It's such as across across
the board. So one of the questions or one of the designs
that we're looking at is do we have an implementer
Talk to a separate implementer that can just Reach
directly to multifamily because to your point, it's
a very different process and how you conduct your conversation
between multifamily and single family. Um this is a
program for 2023. So we are looking at all the details
for that in 2022, so we can be successful for that
year. It will cater to both. And yes, we will make
sure that there will, there will be successes in the
recruitment process for both multi family and single
family
if there are no more questions. Thank you very much
for your time. Thank you, Shay, are you presenting
for center pool? Yes, actually we're gonna. Okay, great
wonderful.
Do you want do you want me to do?
I was hoping someone had a coffee if somebody asked
questions. So yeah, okay, I'll start us off. So I'm
share Richardson, I'm actually our energy efficiency
compliance manager and I have well, I can't let her
speak for somebody like Shawn johnson, his order. Hi
everybody. I'm Keyshawn johnson, I'm the program implementation
manager for Centerpoint. So we're gonna pass split
in today's presentation. I'm gonna talk about the first
couple of um, well not boring but number of slides
and kind of our plans and that gonna talk about some
a new initiative we're working on and some things that
were really been excited about that. We've been doing
the past few years and we're gonna be part of our plan
going forward. So I guess with that Mark, if you could
just move the next slide and I'll just briefly go over
I think Most folks have probably seen this as our current
plan for our 2022 program here. It looks very similar
to what we have implemented the past. You know, we
have made,
as jean said, we do the same thing at some point. We're
looking at programs where we can modify what we need
new programs where we can change do things. So a couple
of things to point out on that. On the commercial side
Again, the program looks very similar are Commercial
Standard offer program, which is, you know, a few years
ago we had, we've kind of seen a decline participation
last couple years. We've seen that program a lot of
interest and I think what we've seen a diverse number
of kind of measures and projects. That program has
been going very strong. We expect that to continue
our ERCOT transformation program is really a bundle
that target specific segments. Uh schools and cities
being at the school component healthcare and then data
centers, we're going to continue to see that we we've
done a lot of innovative projects at data centers,
so we're continue to look for that. One of the things
I do want to mention on the commercial side is, I think
last year when we were, well we weren't here last year
but we had this meeting virtually one of the things
that we highlighted as an upcoming program, really
a new pilot for us was the the chef. Well, it's commercial
high efficiency food service, we call it chef because
it's really a food service pilot. We had opportunity
um with new measures in the TRM for commercial kitchen
equipment and, you know, food service equipment that
we really thought it was a good opportunity to incorporate
that into a patrol. And we thought, well let's let's
let's look at an entire new program offering. So we
developed a pilot and it was very interesting because
that was also kind of a ERCOT segment. We thought that
you know, we could we could use something else really
quickly to help them. So after our first year of implementation
uh you know, it's uh you know, I think it went well
it's it was certainly, mhm, a challenge at first, just
like the training program, getting it started getting
off the ground, but we're looking to continue that
we've we've we've seen quite a few different types
of measures. It's a mystery model. So, so that's kind
of a key one that we want to focus on and we're
really, really hoping to continue to do that and make
it successful on the residential side again. You know
we've got a mix of standard offer and commercial programs
You know, one big 1 in the last presentation discussing
new home construction, that's one that we're continuing
to be an important program for us. Um certainly Cyrus
we are aware of, You know, Cisco and looking at the
new IECC and um, you know, we will adjust with that
right now. Our baseline is 2015 I cc but certainly
we would adjust and you know, that's another one. We'll
look, I know the Lord can tell you um, a couple years
ago in the evaluations there was some really good feedback
around, you know, we want to continue to move the ERCOT
as well and trying to focus on specific measures and
technologies, whether it's a truck and other things
So that's something that we're going to continue to
evaluate that program and and you know, for this year
in the future just to make sure that we are keeping
him successful moving the ERCOT. Um, I guess kind of
some other key points, you know, our our standard offer
program is one that we are seeing, we've seen a lot
more that that program has kind of changed. We're seeing
a lot of H Vac and a lot of solar, a lot
of PV the last couple of years where as um before years
ago that that was not, not a measure that we've seen
a lot so that
photovoltaic systems have been a significant component
of the residential standard offer program and then
just got on the hard to reach side. LaShawn is gonna
talk a little bit more about some of the other, some
of the other things we're doing there. But you know
I think one of the things that we continue to look
at for hard to reach is how you know, we're, we're
doing a lot of insulation measures were doing quite
we're doing a lot of pumps, whether it be through our
multi family hard to reach program or um part of our
targeted low income program. But I think, you know
the challenge for us is to try to try to find ways
to get retrofits that are as comprehensive as possible
for low income customers. So I think that will continue
something we'll continue to look at. It would be a
challenge. But uh, you know excited about going forward
and I think that pretty much you can do the next slide
or listen to any questions about this kind of move
on basically. I talked through everything in my first
two slides while still on the, on the, on the first
slide, but as far as 2023 20 for, you know, for 24
I think for 2023 look for a portfolio that's very,
you know, obviously we're getting close to being done
in our planning process. I think our portfolio will
look um, it's going to look very similar. Just listen
tweets for 2024, you know, I think that's That's something
that we're constantly evaluating. I don't want to speak
too much on how our next program will work. But I think
what you'll see in the Congress 2023 is that we'll
continue to do a lot of things we've done. Um, and
you know, we're just going to try to refine that in
terms of our delivery approach and our budgets
looking forward to a successful year. Is there any
questions? He thumps inverter compressor or the older
technology. Oh, because we know that the older technology
isn't going to work in winter Storm fury kind of conditions
that will help us. Yeah. You know, I have to, I can't
tell you my head around the mix.
So the suggestion is no mix only the new ones. That's
your suggestion.
If your goal is to be able to actually save energy
and kilowatt hours, use a heat pump that will deliver
and you've got one in Houston, you've got a manufacturing
Houston that mexican. Yeah, we do. Um, how close are
you guys to your cost caps? We, um,
and I guess speaking for this particular year, we're
pretty close on the commercial side and just kind of
going back to your presentation, that was one of the
things that we looked at. You know, we too had a winter
load major program. We chose not to do that through
energy efficiency. One of the reasons why is, I mean
there was a number of reasons why, but we we were getting
pretty close on the we still have a, I think a possibility
on the residential side. Um and I'm not speaking, we
have to look at the numbers around what next year's
cost caps look like inflation changed and everything
like that, but pretty close on the, on the commercial
side, which we haven't been in the past, we've got
some more room and residential. We do. We do. And so
um that's where, you know, it's, it's we're having
to really to really
optimize where we spend our days. I mean, obviously
in every every program is certainly on the commercial
side, that's where we're,
you know, we're one of the challenges to add, you know
something significantly bigger, like a winter road
management or something
or the commission could raise the cost caps. Just a
thought. Yeah, well you can see where that goes and
again, I want to make sure I probably should know this
and I can get you, but I'm not sure looking at what
those
also the cost kept changing every year. And so there
it's I know 2020 four or Yeah, 2020, 23 is going to
be different just with changes in cBf and I'm not sure
what that well do I can't, I can't at this point I
don't know the numbers on the top of my head but we
have been closed
Russian imports. Does that help and energy efficiency
You've got the wrong person.
Same question before about affordable tags and the
inverter requirements. So we don't we have not put
any of the same requirements that we talked about
only that they match the TRM that they meet all the
requirements of texas, topical references. So you know
that hasn't been that we're probably a little later
to I want to say later to the game in terms of
the number of PV systems that we've had in our portfolio
as compared to some of our utility counterparts as
it's only been the last probably 2-3 years that we've
seen for that. So we haven't
we haven't done we haven't made any really changes
in the last couple of years around adding restrictions
or changing kind of what the requirements are? I would
say no. And are you doing, have you been testing the
level of the incentive that is required to to what
degree are the prices of PV such that an incentive
is required anymore or have you considered doing that
on an income basis so that higher income customers
who are going to install DB anyway. Don't get an incentive
That's all I would say yes to both those questions
So we to that specific change. No, we have not made
that yet. Um but we are looking at what the appropriate
sentence should be. As you mentioned, it just turned
with notable taking other things just in terms of material
costs. And I think you do bring up a good point around
I mean it's where we haven't seen affordable take is
is in our, you know, we're ranking programs, it's really
been it's been a huge piece of our residential program
that's not income based. So you know, in terms of looking
at an incentive level. Yes, we were looking at that
along with other things, the same thing with H VAC
for our hard to re standoff program. It's difficult
to do some of these kind of measures um and that will
you know, and with cost effective, this kind of obviously
have to make sure that the measures in the program
is still cost effective but um to try to
certainly for the lower income customers to push push
that to the level that we can drive there. But that
has been a challenge for the PV incentives were completely
knocked out of your program. How much would that free
up for you to spend on low income and multifamily?
With the rationale being that we when we originally
created the Tv incentive and slid that in when nobody
noticed it in the energy efficiency portfolio. Standard
PV was a brand new baby infant technology that was
thought to need help, which clearly no longer is well
if you're looking in terms of our kind of our dollars
spent, what percentage
it's on the slide before. Right. No, it's it's it's
it's kind of it's embedded in that and most of that
is going to be from that center offers programs. So
I have to in terms of the actual cinema certainly had
that. I don't want to throw out a number right here
and be wrong. I would guess it's probably
Maybe maybe maybe 30-40% of the program. But I'm saying
that here now that's something I can sort of follow
you on and I can show you what the incident numbers
were for the past couple of years.
No more questions for me. I'm waiting for LaShawn.
Thank you very much everybody. LaShawn johnson. I wanted
to talk to you a little bit about some of the efforts
that we've made in our partnership with the City of
Houston. To increase participation. Thank you to increase
participation in our programs in Houston's big communities
Um so through our Resilient Now program um which is
a collaborative framework between the center point
and the city of Houston to enhance resiliency as well
as to promote the transition to sustainable energy
in the greater Houston area, We are partnering with
them to address the weatherization and energy efficiency
needs in the complete communities now these are 10
historically underserved communities in the city of
Houston. Um it's home to one in six Houstonians. And
so we are partnering with the city agency, community
agencies and leaders in those areas to really promote
our energy efficiency programs. We specifically honed
in on our agencies and action program which does our
single family weatherization as well as our residential
cool saver program. And so some of the things that
we have done and it's more around our customer outreach
strategy to really be focused and get into the neighborhoods
so that people can understand what's available to them
and how they can participate. Um We start to do more
kind of boots on the ground, things like going to farmers
markets, participating in community events. Um We partnered
while we're playing to partner with H. I. S. D. Which
is our local school district so that we can get materials
and collateral to the families through the students
Um And then another piece of this is what we've done
is we've collaborated with the city to launch our Complete
Communities home improvement program. So one of the
gaps that we've seen for participants in these communities
is that there really is a issue there with deferred
maintenance and so they really don't qualify for our
programs because there are things like holes and sheet
rock, there's mold, there's there's work that needs
to be done in the home and so we have worked with
the city to launch this homework pair program to really
support those needs so that we can repair the home
and then follow them through so that they can participate
in our programs.
Any questions about some of the work we're doing, they're
some of the customer outreach, the focus that we have
in the space. Mhm. And this is all being done through
the through the energy efficiency programs or this
involves separate, so this is all done through the
energy efficiency programs. Short of the home repair
program. This is a program that is with the city of
Houston. We launched it with them in collaboration
We provided the seed funding for the program. Okay
and is that seed funding out of this energy efficiency
budget
china
when you go out and outreach into the what what do
you specifically provide education to provide measures
We provide education. So we um we we participate in
neighborhood and action um um like the super neighborhood
association meetings that they have where we specifically
come in and we do presentations and talk about the
programs um talk about the benefits, talk about the
savings, talk about what the qualifications would be
um and make sure they have easy access to understand
how they participate in the program. So it's mostly
around education. One of the things that we found,
one of the things that we found is that we kind of
like blindly sent out um emails or door knockers or
things like that. People really don't believe that
the programs are valid or true. So we really need to
kind of put a face with the programs.
Sorry can you say you talk about the programs? Can
you give like two or three examples of what the programs
are that you're talking to people about? Yes. So the
first that we're targeting is our agencies and action
program which is where we have our single family weatherization
program. And so this is where we have measures for
um we have to be a c measures, we have ceiling and
wall insulation, we have solar screens, we have air
infiltration and then the Cool saver program is our
H VAC Macy tuneup program.
This program is done through a third party or they're
both done through a third party.
So the first the agencies and actions we partner with
local nonprofits to do our customer intake and then
we have an implementer that implements that program
with the work that's done on the package.
What's the conversion rate with the home repair program
going to the energy efficiency programs. So this is
the first year that we are launching that. So we don't
have that information just yet.
I would just add that. That's if I can I think of
the home repair program
must be from Shawn. But one of the issues is we were
trying to help is assessing homes where mentioned that
there's other issues with the home that don't allow
us or our service providers to do the kind of comprehensive
updates that we would like to do. And so hopefully
with the home repair, it's a pipeline where it's kind
of outside of energy efficiency. But it can give us
a pipeline of homes that are ready to to do those kind
of
is anybody running a cash for Clunkers program for
air conditioners?
Because if if you if it's a little better a c why
bother? I mean, we're doing it to not make any difference
Just make it less crappy. Right.
Yeah. If it's not functioning. Right,
okay. Thank you. But on that side there is simply made
the choice to double the incentive for upgrading H
Vac this year for these 10 these 10 communities to
entice the trade Allies to focus on these communities
And put higher efficient equipment in because the center
points doubling the ERCOT rate incentive for them.
And so there's outreach the trade allies and distributors
to focus on these 10 communities this year. And it
is brand new this year. So that's a structural change
in the incentive matrix that happened just January
one. Thank you to entice participation. That's very
exciting. Thank you.
Is the agencies are the are the folks who you're working
with on the targeted low income, Are those the same
organizations that are working with the federal Wet
money or those two separate. See what I'm asking. Like
there's the federal govt money that goes through th
th that goes to the to the community action networks
Are those the same? I don't believe that these agencies
participate in different that's a separate Okay,
any other questions
Because we have some new stakeholders that you might
be interested that their agency's program saves 20%
annual consumption, although income bills is what we
saw through our consumption analysis.
All right, thank you all very much. We appreciate it
Mhm.
Just to let everyone know, we have two more ERCOT utilities
that are presenting and then we're gonna take a break
and come back with another ERCOT utility. So people
are wondering that that hasn't been up for a while
and I won't take up a lot of your time.
My name is robert Cavazos, I'm with a p texas and Mhm
Our portfolio is as such, we don't have a grand portfolio
like the previous ones that you have. Our portfolio
has been running really well for the last several years
Uh we do some minor tweaks here and there just to stay
relevant and you know, stay cost effective. We do monitor
that regularly, but as you can see we're still around
$17, $18 million dollar range. Okay, so we're staying
very close to that. We look into other programs and
these programs to make sure they're cost effective
and keep moving along next slide.
Here's our breakdown for 22, and 24 forecasting our
commercial programs are doing very well as our residential
and low income.
I'll take you to the next slide because this is where
we did have a change. We had a full pump program in
place. It has a lot of promise, I had a lot of
promise, however, it just kept falling short on us
So because of that we discontinued that program and
integrated those dollars to another program that was
uh utilizing their spend better than the other programs
were. So we're moving those dollars into another program
We're currently looking into the food service program
that centerpoint, he's doing very well with. So we're
trying to see how that will work out for us and our
footprint as you know, our footprint is somewhat scattered
a lot of rural area. So it does take a little bit
more planning and discussion on how that will work
best for us. Is it a viable program or not? Okay. But
like I said, it wasn't gonna be very long. Programs
are doing very well and we do our due diligence to
make sure that they stay cost effective with customers
Okay. All right,
good.
So, I'll ask the same questions. How close are you
to caps on commercial and residential and have you
looked at heat pumps? Anticipating other questions
to answer the heat pump questions. Yes, we do have
heat pumps in our residential programs. I'm sorry,
that's a very good question. I don't know that answer
I would say. The answer is yes, as they're getting
new units in. Their 3rd party vendors are converting
those union is rather than the older ones, but it can
be for sure. That's true. So I don't know that answer
But they are using heat pumps to the commercial. Uh
we are very close to those and residential room. Yeah
we've got plenty of room residential and we're close
on the commercial side. Yes. Mhm. Compressing and and
the inverters on Tv units um Island in new Tripoli
requirement, inverters, whatever's in the TRM is what
we're
I'm sorry, I'm sorry, that's not the right answer.
No, no, no, thank you.
I will say on the TRM and I would have to look
at PV but I know off the top of my head that
the MMV team had already flagged. He pumps is a discussion
for the 2023 update. We've talked about different things
like do we put a penalty on those for severe weather
events that are gonna kick over to electric resistance
Heat has been an ongoing discussion. We haven't started
that process with the utilities yet of the update,
but it's something the human B team has already flagged
So there will be an update on heat pumps to encourage
ones that are going to operate well in a severe weather
event in the next update. Um I don't, I will have to
be circle through prioritizing measures that were kind
of doing a deep dive on updates for. I don't know if
PV is on the docket this year that we've already identified
but you do have the opportunity to identify it through
the pipe. Thank you. Yeah. Right. Thank you. All right
This case.
Mm hmm, mm hmm.
Um Stephanie case with T. N. M. P. Um I'm gonna guess
that you've noticed our format is a bit similar. So
I'm gonna start with the same first two slides as everybody
else. Probably repeat a little bit of what robert did
and then go on to some of our program Um reporting
on 2021 And things that we're looking forward to in
2022. I'm gonna try really hard not to read to you
but, but I have my notes for a reason because they
don't want to forget to mention something. So, um
like robert mentioned TMP is very similar. We review
each of our programs every year in order to make tweaks
to it. Um to make sure that we're optimizing it for
the customer experience to make sure that we're including
the measures that are in the TRM. Um, We've been at
about five million for quite some time. So while it
may appear to be maybe less sophisticated than other
portfolios you might look at. I just really want to
highlight that our focus is inside the program every
year trying to make changes in response to lessons
learned but we also make sure that we are in the cost
caps. Um Sarah's I'll go ahead and answer your question
lee are opposite of what I think I've been hearing
We are at the cost caps for our residential programs
and instead have a little bit more room in the commercial
side. Um, so that's what I've got to report on their
um, next slide please.
This is just a different listing of the programs you
were just looking at. So what I'll highlight is the
one in red. We have been meeting with a couple of different
implementer Z at one of our recent conference and entertaining
the idea of an online marketplace. Our service territory
at T. N. M. P. Is all over the state of texas
and small little spurts. So it's extra challenging
for us to try to reach everybody sometimes. And I'm
thinking that utilizing an online marketplace might
help us to reach some people that were not able to
touch otherwise. And that's that's a good goal for
us to have, especially specific to the way that were
laid out. Um, next slide please.
So I got the good and the bad. I'm not sure how
much you can read on the slide and like I said, I'm
not gonna read to you, but um, I have reported good
things with the check mark and I'm not sure if you
can tell the little circle bullet is actually a frowny
face. So, so there's that. Um, and I'm gonna provide
updates on most of our programs, but I don't think
all of them and I didn't lay them out that way but
but you're here. So in the residential program E. M
And D recommended a few years ago that we focused on
h fact measures and we have tried and tried and tried
and finally this year we have two different avenues
that were following through on starting in last year
for the high performance, a sea tuna and we've added
that under our residential programs. So keeping in
the theme of the same program list every year but making
modifications, internally modifying my own thought
process when approaching the programs and starting
to treat them a bit more like an umbrella. While we've
always been able to offer any measure that's available
in the TRM because we generate and other incentive
amount to cover those if they're not listed specifically
Um I'm starting to think of this as more of an umbrella
situation. So we've got the residential program In
2021. We carved out funds specific to um a. C. Tune
ups and offered that to residents at no cost. And finally
have seen some uptick both in that department. And
we made a relationship with an aggregator who's participating
and um have been able to add h back replacements, not
add the H. Vac replacements but see some um Some of
the projects actually come to fruition last year, there
was one and that was a really good start. So this year
we have had four so far. And from what I understand
we're not an H Vac replacement season yet. So I'm still
optimistic and excited to see that that is um, a definite
change that we've been able to make.
The sad face is for a new home construction program
Now while we incentivize both high performance homes
and Energy star certifications, We've seen a severe
drop in 2021 specific to energy star certifications
Some of the hers Raiders that we work with reported
that supply chain shortages, timeline and labor impacts
continuing from Covid. And also um, something that
they're seeing is that the code in certain areas has
caught up with Energy Star and they didn't have the
additional funds for additional credentialing. So we're
still incentivizing the high performance home, which
is 5% over code.
And for 2022 we're working on that one a little bit
to reach out more directly specifically to the energy
Star builders to see what can we do? How can we help
you? Is there any anything that we can offer other
than a specific incentive? Because you can only do
so much with incentives. Sometimes money isn't necessarily
always the answer.
Right? Sure. For sure. To what degree are the same
builders working across the state?
In other words, is what if if in our weekly and several
of the other national scale builders are working in
all of your service territories? Why do you have to
do this a lot? Why do we have to do this alone
in terms of can't we create some level of consistency
in terms of the approach? And they asked the builders
working in texas if they are working across multiple
service territories to see if they need help with energy
starts for energy star certification specific, whatever
it is, that is the obstacle. If I am stumbling over
the idea that you need to invent a different builders
program than what others are working with when there
are a lot of builders who are working across multiple
service territories. I didn't mean to insinuate that
We're developing a different style program. We're using
similar implementer with similar programs in order
to make it simpler for the builders. And I'm wondering
if similar means identical or if there are things that
are being done in other service territories that you
could be doing totally cookie cutter. Okay, good, good
question. I'll have to look into thank you Just as
a follow up. Um, As an example, we heard others say
that their incentives are for going 15% above and years
or five. I'm not saying one is right and what is wrong
but maybe that's something have we looked at, we've
looked at new home recently very recently that that
was about two years ago where we did, we did the consumption
analysis and had several recommendations on ways to
improve the program. Um, so they are as being home
ruled. There are real differences across within utilities
and you know, and I do know, one of the things that
came up for sure was uh, to do back there. Like they
don't care about efficient h back from the builders
they care about granite countertops. So, that was one
you know, recommendation that went to all the utilities
So, we did make recommendations on some some things
that could be done two years ago, so I don't have a
lot of them. Right. It's a good point though. Are are
there things we can do that would make it easier for
all the utilities to implement essentially the same
program? Maybe because it's in the end of its the same
builders. I don't know if that's true or not. No. And
just from what I'm familiar with, I believe we are
offering generally the same basic program. We do try
That's why we meet together as you might try to keep
things as similar as we can in the marketplace. So
that project sponsors in any program working across
the state don't have to deal with too many variances
But to Larks point, we do have to make some mm hmm
Service territory specific. Sometimes that was an M
and B recommendation a few years ago as meet and share
best practices and and get those things together. There
are some other things in new homes that are in the
works, but we probably should talk about those offline
and I forget who that's with, that's what Centrepoint
or I don't know but there is there is some stuff in
the works to of if we can go to some new stuff
and we have program manager meetings also annually
in order to get the actual program managers together
or not just the managers to discuss what they're doing
in each of their programs and consult about how are
you handling this situation
onto the commercial programs? I think we're good. This
is the only thing we don't have to do anything. Thanks
so much. So um are frowny face in the commercial side
Was that Arlo Arlo Management program for this summer
only curtailed about 60% of what we contracted. And
because that is um we know that before the end of the
other programs we were able to, instead of leaving
those incentives on the table, shift them into our
commercial solutions program and take advantage of
incentivizing projects that had Been postponed from
2020. So that program was able to overachieve um and
we were always glad to help the customers and be able
to accommodate them instead of to be able to say sorry
I can't help you with that because our budget is so
low um to continue the good no good news in our Score
city smart program we had added a few years ago a small
schools component Raising the incentives by $100 per
KW to help enable them to participate more often. Last
year we added a small cities component to do the same
thing and we saw three small cities qualifying um able
to complete projects so that here's another good news
piece to report.
Um we have taken to our, our strides for 2022 in the
commercial arena are two um,
be able to deliver a more comprehensive opportunity
assessment to partners when we first meet them, help
them identify energy efficiency opportunities. We've
got a new forum, they're taking out into the field
to make sure you have certain certain points are being
covered. Our focus is always on being more comprehensive
I neglected to discuss that part of the residential
side, which is to say just briefly that we had implemented
a requirement a few years ago for project sponsors
to install more than one measure per house, They needed
three measures per home in order to meet in order to
be able to participate for the next year basically
And over the past few years that's increased to 70%
over 70% of our homes receiving multiple measures,
Which is something that we're really proud of. And
for 2022 we were able to drop the requirement piece
of that and we're seeing that it's now just become
a general practice. So um, back to commercial. Um,
I believe that's just about all I have um since we're
able to meet in person, the last thing that we've been
discussing with some of our score city smart commercial
solutions participants is well one whether or not they've
got new projects in the queue, we've seen a bit of
turnover from energy managers, some facilities no longer
have any few managers and it's best for us to continue
to reach out, find out who the new contact is, ask
them if they got projects, introduced them to the programs
um and then see if they're interested in a check presentation
at the end. That's something that we haven't really
been able to do because of Covid. We're not getting
together in person were not necessarily celebrating
together. So we had one in december and one just last
week and that's been that's just sort of the fun side
of completing the projects that we have a program.
Yes, this is for you. But also for all of the ERCOT
utilities, has anybody thought about restricting commercial
incentives and participation to all of the wonderful
critical facilities that have suddenly decided that
their critical and are clogging up our circuits so
that we actually do something useful for the things
that think that they're important that are going to
screw over the residential customers on circuits that
aren't don't have critical facilities. So focusing
on targeting those customers. That's a, that's a great
outreach idea. Yes, thank you very much. Including
government critical facilities as well as because you're
gonna be spending ratepayer money on critical facilities
that are gonna affect our ability to keep the lights
on. Let's make sure they're energy efficient. Great
great idea. Any any other utilities wish to address
that place.
I think we're all going to speak for everybody where
I'm always looking for outreach opportunities, so I
don't know why we wouldn't. Mhm. Or or even rejigger
the incentives for critical facilities so that we get
more of those to be far more energy efficient, far
more quickly. I'll give you
Thank you. Thank you. I think now you might be getting
a break. Oh, great discussion. Great questions. How
about we reconvene at the top of the hour, so at 11
for the nine ERCOT utility program,
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efficiency. Energy,
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So in energy texas we run five programs, we run to
commercial and three residential, we try to keep it
pretty pretty simple here at entergy texas for commercial
solutions. We actually just went through an RFP process
and we did a got new contributors for commercial solutions
and residential solutions. We ended up keeping the
increment people so clear result is gonna be managing
our first commercial solutions program for three years
and then TRC companies is doing residential solutions
So our budget state relatively saying, you know, our
goal has been set for almost 10, 10 years and our goal
actually just went up this past year by about 200 kw
So that was the smallest increase we've had in a long
time. But again, our budgets are staying pretty consistent
not much to say next time.
So again, we're running two programs on the commercial
side, Commercial Solutions is our umbrella program
So that's where we serve pretty much anybody from a
small donut shop up to a small manufacturing, even
large colleges and that is a program where we do a
lot of lighting and in fact, we also have a number
of sub programs in our commercial solutions program
We do a lot of direct insults from the Trn and we
do custom measures. We have a behavior program through
a clear result called continuous energy improvement
where we've reached out to key schools, colleges and
even some small manufacturing to be a part of this
program and we're looking to expand that and get new
participants. We've seen a huge success in this program
being able to live to deliver a lot of kW kilowatt
hours By helping out these particular customers. And
it is a three year program. So it's not that we help
them just for a little bit. It's a, it's a commitment
for these customers to be in it, but they get to see
a ton of savings and we're in our sixth or seventh
year of this program and we're really proud of the
behavior program. We're also, we have a lighting midstream
program that we have through our commercial solutions
that we've seen a huge success. We get a ton of sales
through this midstream program. We're looking to expand
it into a fact. So we're looking to run a couple of
smaller programs within our commercial solutions Portfolio
including that midstream h fact that we're starting
up this year in 2022. And we're also looking to do
some commercial cool saver tune ups as well. So we've
allocated dollars from the commercial solutions program
to these smaller sub programs to try to reach out different
markets and try to help our customers in new ways with
our blood management Standard offer program, Not much
change there, it's gonna be the same program uh with
our new and my meter, we'll hopefully be able to get
some better data from that program and be able to continue
to serve it very each other out to a handful of customers
to try to maybe grow it just by a few participants
but really no major changes in the load management
you know what it is? I bet it's the livestream. Yeah
Residential Standard offer program expanded to include
contractors
serving customers residential solutions. Again, it's
an umbrella program, new homes and distributed through
that particular program and we are looking to do a
pilot in residential solutions where we're doing our
online marketplace and we're building that out with
TRC companies right now, trying to look at what we
want to put in to kind of help serve a ERCOT through
the online ERCOT. Now going into 2023 2024 I am gonna
be breaking out our residential cool Saver and our
multi family H VAC program into its their own standalone
ERCOT transformation programs. We've seen a huge success
in these two programs. And so we're breaking amount
of the Residential Standard offer program where they
were originally under and they're going to become their
own flagship programs. I want to continue to put money
into the Cool Saver and multi family because we just
I've seen a huge success in the southeast texas ERCOT
I don't really want to grow these programs. And then
again, we have our low income hard to reach, which
is just a carbon copy of our Standard offer program
that that helps different customers. And we've been
able to see a huge success in both of those programs
and we're just going to kind of continue moving forward
with this program next slide please. So we are looking
to do some some more innovative programs and we're
doing two pilots this year. So I've already talked
about the online marketplace that we're doing with
with TR CS, but we're also looking to do a heat pump
water heater program and this is a pilot. Again, we're
doing through TR C. What's interesting about it is
these was these were new homes constructed in southeast
texas in Jefferson County and they were installed with
with new heat pump water heaters that have connected
ability to do a residential demand response. And right
now we are working to talk to the home, the new homeowners
with their homes to solicit them into this program
so we can run kind of a small demand response program
if we see success with this, we look to grow it and
kind of add more heat pump water heater and connect
them and use that as a way of doing a residential demand
response. So we'll be using the hot water heater as
the element to reduce load rather than they're, they're
a check unit. So, these are some new pilot programs
that we're looking to do in this this year and and
possibly continuing the 2023 and beyond any questions
have you looked at the potential for doing any kind
of winter load management programs or not? I know it's
a different different climate zone than than the Dallas
area, but no, we haven't looked into it. Um we're just
gonna continue this summer for now.
Any limits on heat pumps. Any limits? No, I actually
we, we also have seen a lot of increasing heat pumps
you know, especially in our residential solution where
we do the residential replacements. We, I have been
seeing the number of installed speed bumps to pick
up and this year we're actually doing with the way
we, we incentivize our structure on how we incentivize
the distributors to put it in is based on the tonnage
and the sear. But then if it's a heat pump, we actually
are applying a 33 times multiplier into whatever the
incentive is. So if a distributor was going to do 1/4
time, 16 seer at a residential hall, if that's a heat
pump, That incentive is multiplied by three. So it's
a bigger incentive. So we are trying to push more heat
pumps in the southeast Texas area. Can you make them
inverter compressor building technology that's outside
my Yeah, can you expand your wheelhouse please think
she's asking you to look at the potential for a higher
ed's either not giving incentives if they don't have
the compressor or higher incentives to encourage that
Any other questions?
The TRM already has higher savings splits. So they
do recognize the additional savings.
So
yeah, I will say Allison, it was when we started, you
heard maybe the recommendation from us to do back.
There was very little h back being done at all and
there were some significant barriers given how busy
those contractors are to even get them involved in
the programs. So, you know, kind of, once you get momentum
you can keep making progress and I think we're going
in that direction but like it's a significant accomplishment
We've been able to get contractors participating and
doing them
awesome. Thank you so much for your attention.
All right, Crystal, I am going to go back to El paso
Mhm Good morning everybody. I'm Crystal Enoch. I'm
with El paso Electric. I am the principal energy efficiency
program analyst for our energy efficiency department
As you guys all see here, it's a standard format. This
is R 2022 budget that we projected as part of our 2021
E CRF filing and as it was approved last year um This
is pretty much the same budget that we had in 2021
The only difference to this budget from 2021 was the
addition of the future wise um pilot ERCOT transformation
program. That is an educational program geared towards
high school students And then the increase in our residential
load management program from 310,450 $3,000 for the
growth that we projected based off of 2020 numbers
Okay.
I never said Okay. Um there's not a lot of change within
within any of our programs. We have our small commercial
solutions program. Um we offer a variety of different
measures that are available through the TRM one of
the new additions for our small commercial program
that we're excited about this year is the addition
for incentives on evaporative coolers. Um That's popular
measure within our service territory. Um And we are
happy to incentivize it in the commercial sector now
as we do in the residential sector, large commercial
CN i programs we continue to see the same um participation
in the same type of measures um customers participating
within the program. It's a very successful program
The same with the texas score program and the commercial
load management program. We don't anticipate a lot
of changes um within those programs that we offer a
variety of measures under all of those programs on
the residential side. Same with the residential solutions
and the hard to reach program. Um Similar measures
were focused on energy efficiency measures, both at
the retrofit and new construction side of it under
both of those options there. Um The key difference
between the two is the low income doesn't offer a higher
incentive for the low income hard to reach program
then um are texas supplies recycling program, that's
the recycling of the refrigerators and freezers. Um
And then our residential marketplace program, we launched
that last actually in 2020 trying to think what you're
wearing right now. Yeah, we launched that back in 2020
Um We saw continued success within program, year 2021
we did add some new measures. We added the window a
C to that platform. We haven't seen any sales because
we did offer or bring that online post um cooling season
Um And then here recently we just launched the air
purifiers in courtesy of Covid. We had a major uptick
with those as soon as we watched them. We've had a
lot of sales on the air purifiers. So we were excited
with that. Mm hmm. And then of course as I said the
residential load management program and that offers
not only the curtailment within the summertime of June
one through September 30 but it also facilitates the
sales of smart thermostats within that program. Okay
question. So all of these appear to be ERCOT transformation
programs. Do you have any standard offer programs for
residential? The only standard offer program that we
offer is our commercial load management program. All
of our other programs are ERCOT transformation
we find them easier to facilitate. At one point we
did have standard offer programs but we found the ERCOT
transformation easier to facilitate less paperwork
Can you deliver the same services through ERCOT transformation
with less paperwork than you can with an S. O. P.
I believe so yes. Is there a lesson in that for the
folks who organize these programs? Um So we've looked
at we've done dives into when ERCOT transformation
makes sense and when standard offer does and offer
some best practices? I do know in the case of el paso
their service territory was unique. They did try to
get contractors involved. They need ERCOT transformation
allows them to have an implementation contractor to
really kind of expand their staff to get the contractors
involved. So they were needing to go to that model
in their territory. Um There are times, you know, we
have several times, you know, new technologies hard
to reach sectors where the ERCOT transformation is
a really good model. Um And it's really a misnomer
because some markets don't transfer form. They have
persistent barriers like small business. They're never
going to care that much about their energy use. They're
not going to have staff who you know, you're gonna
be able to educate and get doing it. So having kind
of a consistent ERCOT transformation effort targeting
small businesses. A really great views. So we do have
that process peace out there of when it makes sense
to use ERCOT transformation versus standard offer.
Thank you. And to reiterate on that as she says, our
demographic. We are isolated out there on the west
side. So we do not see the influx of the contractors
from the other part of the state into our territory
So we are uniquely different from everyone. Thank you
Can you quickly just tell us what the living wise ERCOT
transformation project is. So the Living wise ERCOT
transformation program, a program that is also an educational
program. It is geared towards middle school age students
actually sixth graders specifically. Um So it is an
educational kit is provided to both the teacher and
to the student within that kid. Um The students are
provided energy saving measures such as a shower head
low flow faucet aerators and some L. E. D. S within
that can and they kind of learn about energy use at
that point in time. Um And so that's the introductory
kit and then we can talk about the future wise here
on the next slide.
Alright so here we go, future wise. So we are excited
about this year. This is our future wise program. Um
It's going to be a pilot program and this is also going
to be implemented by am conservation. They implement
our living wise kit which has been successful for the
past 10 plus years now. And we are planning to launch
this program that was approved last year. We're gonna
launch it here in the fall of 2022. Um this kid is
actually geared towards high school students. So we're
looking at ninth grade through 12th grade students
they are at this point in their lives, they are fixing
to go out. Some of them may actually live on their
own already. Um so they're being introduced to utility
bills. So once some of the stuff that's included within
this educational kit along with energy saving devices
um those energy saving devices including advanced power
strip and some LED lights. But our key thing that we're
wanting to do here is to teach the students how to
read a utility donor. Okay. What behaviors that they
do that contributes to the energies within that um
utility bill. Um, they're taught how to do home energy
audits. We received information from the pre imposed
um, of this is what there was their home was like when
they first did their audit. And these are the adjustments
they made within the home that contributes to energy
savings such as thermostats, setbacks, water heater
temperature setbacks, installing the L. E. D. S. Or
the advanced power strip great here. Uh, so all of
those little changes and stuff, they will contribute
to energy savings within their utility bill. Um, some
of the other things that we want to introduce them
to is career and opportunities within the energy sector
Um, a lot of us don't even aren't aware until we work
for utility that these type of jobs exist. So we want
to make them aware of those opportunities that do exist
out there. So again, the future Wise pilot MTp, that
is our Program that we're excited about this year and
scheduled along to follow 20 follow this year.
Is it possible for el paso and tiene Mp to adopt um
behavioral energy efficiency programs and the kind
of online Gamification leveraging smart meters that
are being done in many other service territories, um
not within El pasO electric at this point in time.
We do not have smart meters at this point in time and
we do not anticipate them being rolled out for another
few years. Um, so we have not looking that far into
adjusting our programs for that type of oh, behavior
analysis.
Okay.
And then the next feature adjustment that we are looking
at as I mentioned on the previous slide is the adjustment
for our residential load management budget. Once again
in 2021 we saw a significant increase. Um, we are anticipating
at this point in time more than 7500 KW reduction within
that program. That is about a 380% increase over program
year 2020 we call up to about 10 events within this
program annually last year we were kind of caught off
guard with the cool second half of the season. So we
did not get to call as many events as we were anticipating
However, We do clinical all 10 events this year. Um
we saw energy savings as I mentioned earlier. This
program does facilitate the sell of our smart thermostats
as well as the marketplace. Um, savings are not claimed
within both, but if they elect to enroll within the
load management at the time of the cell that we claim
the energy savings here. So this year we actually saw
288% increase over 2021 of the key things to note on
that energy savings is due to the success of the program
We actually stopped the auto enrollment of that program
Um, I want to say in august last year to preserve some
capital within our budget. At that point in time We
were able to still sell over 1800 devices, which was
an increase of 254% over 2020. So as we adjusted the
numbers for 2022 based off are based off of our 2020
sales. We went ahead and adjusted our budget for 2023
based off of the 2021 sales. So we're anticipating
a budget of about $700,000 for that program
Based off of our daily sales were expecting to sell
1480 thermostats through that program And we're estimating
a load reduction about 18,000 KW and over two million
Kwh. What would happen if you made that bring your
own device
so that customers could participate bringing their
own thermostats rather than being enrolled only if
you saw them the meter that
the program may still be successful can be harder at
that point in time. The energy does help with the,
not only the overall cost effectiveness
for customers to go to the marketplace and just enroll
into the bring your own device. That's correct. So
currently as I mentioned, the thermostat is being sold
through the marketplace and as I mentioned in august
we turned off the option for them to automatically
enroll within the residential load management program
so that we were not over exceeding our budget budget
on the residential side load management side even more
So we have that ability to turn it off. So the one
thing that happens is that all it does is reduce the
incentives that are coming out of the load management
program. So what if you raise the incentives and got
more customers in with their own thermostats? Can you
would get more savings? They still have the opportunity
to bring their own device so they do not have to purchase
the thermostat, they can bring their own device. And
can you increase your your incentive budget in order
to take more customers and to participate in this program
No, because we had we had a three year pilot program
where it was primarily a bring your own device program
And because there's no the only energy savings associated
with that is due to the curtailment of the events.
Um then we start to run a program that is on the
edge
question are you all targeting single family or multi
family? It is available to everybody.
The thermostats to enroll within the program. You have
to be on rate one which is the residential rate there
in texas in our service territory. So that is the one
qualifier they go into the site and they validate that
they are a Account holder within our service territory
in order to be eligible for the incentives and to participate
the split between the two
single family versus family customers.
It's strictly going off of their account number and
their address. So if it's a master meter, um,
multi family, they would not be eligible because that
would be under a commercial rate. Okay.
Anything else Cost caps? How near are you guys near
the residential with the frontier
with the addition of the future wise program? 2022
is the first year that we are predicted to exceed our
residential cost cap. We have exceeded our commercial
cost cap for a number of years now. Um, but now with
the build out of our portfolio, we are evaluating ways
to trim back our commercial spending in order to start
to reduce that cost cap
or they can, we're just over that is protected.
Anything else? All right. Thank you guys. Thank you
Folks may be having trouble dialed in.
Listen to the broadcast. 32nd delay.
Yeah. Um, they have tried to amuse us. We're not muted
on that. So I don't know what's going on. We're having
technical difficulties. So it does sound like the broadcast
is the way to go.
Right. Yeah.
So what cow is up next?
Mm hmm.
Hi everybody. I'm Debra Miller and I'm with sweat coat
Um, nice to see everybody this morning. Uh, I am here
to talk about. Um, I've got a pretty good slide for
the last part. I want to talk to you about, but we've
got to go through the necessary stuff first. Hear the
projections for 2022. That's pretty flat for us generally
Um For the last couple of years we've been at the 4.4
million or around there with the same savings projections
next floor
2023 24 potential programs. These are staying the same
also. However, um like others have mentioned, we have
umbrellas of things under these programs. Uh for instance
our commercials are sea salt, um sea salt. We're starting
a small age back program in that for a small commercial
um customers. Our residential S. O. P. We have a very
healthy back program, I think 280 for heat pumps last
year. That's pretty good swept. So we're not huge.
Um and then are hard to reach it. You know, we it
goes as fast as we can get it. And we were really
worked that program well in texas. Uh we're also starting
in the score mtp um a cool saver program specifically
for schools and to help them with the tune ups and
then determine if if they need any kind of replacements
or anything that's brand new this year and we're hoping
that will be helpful. Okay,
Alright, efficient product rebates now swept co has
tradition. We have a rural, very rural area. And so
because of that, we have um underserved measures, underserved
counties and uh you know, we've tried everything from
paying higher incentives to to make this better. Um
And And it's just, it just kind of fell flat. It just
wasn't people still weren't getting to these areas
So we started in 2018, the last of 2018 we started
our efficient products rebates and we started it with
smart thermostats just to see what would happen and
it really took off. And um so what what we do is
we start and this is an example of our smart thermostat
form is there in the middle, a customer goes and makes
the purchase, they go they go in there, they'll um
uh put all the information about the purchase in there
and then we will send them a gift card as a rebate
for that purchase. Well it's so successful that um
we started adding other things to this and this has
really helped in reaching these areas that people weren't
going to. So these these folks now are going out and
we've added um let's see, we've added E. V. Chargers
uh pool pumps which are doing well in our area. They
may not be everywhere, but they are they are in our
area, air purifiers and heat pump water heaters. And
we've had a few of those so we're doing pretty well
with that. And so those folks that weren't getting
served are now getting the products they need and we're
getting some savings from them. So we're and it's varying
um incentive or rebate gift cards for each one of those
It just depends on the product they're purchasing.
Um It's are you punks addressable, addressable so that
you can use them in a demand response or load management
program. Well uh No, we we don't have we don't have
anything like that right now. Currently at swept code
but that's an excellent point. Um We have this has
done so well for us that we have increased, We have
used 19 various products or measures out of the TRM
just in the last year with but by adding this because
we get such a wide variety of products out there for
everybody to take advantage of it so far. So good and
we're pretty proud of that.
Any questions.
Um So you guys don't have a new homes program? You
do then the residential standard.
All energy efficient products products. We have several
builders. Uh At last count I think we had about eight
builders in texas in our program. But that's a that's
for individual measures or for the whole
anything else.
Alright. Yeah. 284 last year and inverter compressor
or the elder. Um I'm gonna have to google that. Okay
Alright. Anything else? Y'All right. Okay. Thank you
very much. Yeah
brian jeremy. I don't know who's presenting. Okay.
Allison, it's great to have three folks from my
that's my job today too.
Okay. I'm obviously the last one. Mhm. I'll platform
myself. Um Can you say your name against brian Woodson
I'm the senior product portfolio manager for texas
and new Mexico?
Uh this is our budget that we have for 2022 going through
it. What's different new uh Covid first we have on
a small commercial ERCOT transpiration kind of deemed
that program pretty good because small businesses were
shutting so nobody wanted to worry about efficiency
because they're not even open. That's the most efficient
you can be. Right. So they kind of did better last
year. So I'm hoping this this stays more consistent
now in that range. We have lots of small businesses
Especially in our 40s. One of the new businesses that
we're really excited about in Amarillo is bucky. We
are going to be like the rest of the state for you
Alright. Home lighting, same thing. Everybody's talking
about a little home lighting. Residential slp. So yes
we do have S LPS and ERCOT transformation program.
The residential slp kind of going a little less measures
being available that we have. Um So we're branching
out to other things and we'll get into the other things
in a little bit uh smart thermostats. Still not that
great up there in Amarillo but they're getting better
So if you ask me about a residential program, we're
not quite there yet on the level of smart thermostats
but we're getting closer.
Uh And I would like to have that program but we just
don't have the size to make any difference. Turning
off t n what was that? Um refrigerator recycling again
That Covid kind of hit that one pretty bad in our area
last year. We had a little bit of come back on it
and I hope that that comes back further for the measures
and are hard to reach of it. Like most of the utilities
we don't have much problem hitting are hard to reach
targets. Um We have a lot of hard to reach customers
So that's the majority of what we have and the low
income program also. And that low income program is
a heat pump program. I have to ask for it here if
they do targeted whatever you're inverting. I don't
know. So I don't know that answer.
Mhm.
And R. And D. Budgets. This is where we're kind of
branching out into a new program. It's a coach program
and you mentioned that earlier about training the people
that enforce the codes and that's what we're getting
into is good. Um And working with that across texas
and new Mexico, we've had some good success in the
Amarillo area and the interest in it, that's the majority
of our new home jermaine or built in that area. But
that's where we're going. But that is the programs
we're using our R. And D. Money for that. Any questions
on this
commercial side of it, The programs were keeping the
commercial the same retro commissions. Very successful
program. Uh The rest of utilities are like us but our
largest customers don't want to screw with energy efficiency
paperwork or any of that stuff. It is one yes we're
in for it. But y'all do the work and get us that
And so we basically have wielded energy that runs our
extra large but I call it our extra large commercial
program. Thank you. Um Presides retro commissioner
so they did all the measures for changing our chillers
What's in it for amazon coming in? We got amazon too
So if you order big stuff from amazon it's gonna be
a warehouse in Amarillo load management. Small commercial
the same thing. But we are talking about small commercial
hoping that gets to be bigger than beer through that
residential slp. Uh what we're changing in that is
I don't see it so much up there right now I guess
I didn't add that. My fault. We're wanting to start
an H VSC. Program next. That's my next slide. Okay
Okay that's the next never. Sorry.
Right currently we basically had our mind robert madden
industries running our H. V. A. C. Program and the
carrier dealers. We were only doing carrier products
basically we need to really update that and give it
across more side. So we're gonna go to a third party
rand hbc part program focusing on making the easy to
participate more company brands obviously in a simpler
rebate structure and I hope they do inverters whatever
that is.
Okay I'm sure we're going to cover those. I'll make
sure anyway. So that's that's the new program we want
to put more focus on for, for a texas panhandle area
and then coming in behind that I hope I was hoping
I was gonna be the only one with school kids paso stole
my thunder. So we are going to do some of our research
our R and D. Money for school kids And are hard to
reach areas in Amarillo at 1st and hopefully broaden
that out to the restore service territory
brian, is it worth mentioning under your lighting?
You guys did partnerships with food banks? Oh yeah
let's go back to that one. I don't know if you haven't
we can't go back, go back, go back low income under
a food bank program. We were the first utility to bring
this out in Texas to partner with 40 food banks in
our service territory that we gave away lights and
showerheads. Mhm.
Maybe they need refrigeration and food prep to nuts
I'm sure they do. Ambarella does have like per capita
the most restaurants of any city in texas. I'm sure
we can do. And
okay. But yeah, the food bank program was a big success
We didn't get lots of thank you's from the communities
that were involved with that And to roll that out pretty
quickly to 40 different food banks across the panhandle
That was pretty impressive and it wasn't me, it was
our group behind me that did really well.
Anything else do you do you include, you don't have
a solar incentives. We did not have a solar. I'm not
saying you should, I'm just curious, you know, go by
go back and forth and back and forth, but solar is
coming into our area. So why do we need to incentivize
it? It's already there so much. But I am, it's one
of those things that
right now we're not doing that.
Anything else cost caps, cost caps, jeremy. That's
where your question comes in now. We have not hit the
cost caps yet in previous filings but we are getting
very close and specifically on residential um commercial
we see in some of the classes, you know, obviously
depends on your participation from the prior year allocate
those costs. We saw a lot of um schools involved and
so we saw that kind of rape take up a little bit
but overall on an average we're kind of getting up
there but not having it.
No, we did a lot of school project.
I am all right. Alright. So um as I pull up our
slides here, um I would like to introduce Katie, who
many people know uh people have to listen to me all
the time. So it's been great to have Katie down. She
is our residential lead. So she does all the E. M.
And V. Overseas that team and works closely with you
on all the updates to the residential TRM. So she is
going to present for us today if I can get out of
here and get arms up? Yes.
Okay.
Alright. Hi everyone, I'm Katie um and I'm gonna talk
about the TRM update process. Um So the
um the I. P. Starts the call for updates. Um So the
goal with updating annually is to um improve the accuracy
of the DM savings, um constantly expanding and finding
new opportunities for savings um and then clarifying
um different scenarios, the documentation and tracking
requirements. Okay. So we take a collaborative approach
to the update um as the commission's mmv contractor
we review and we have updates and then we also have
um updates that come from um and the individual utilities
as well as listing I. P. Um And then additional research
um this the update process is done through the TRM
working group, we work closely with the commission
um Frontier um and then the utilities and then any
contractors that the utilities bring in.
So the TRM format um has broken out into separate documents
for ease of use. Um The first volume is an overview
of the TRM as well as having important uh user guides
including the weather zones, the peak demand definitions
um and then volume two goes over all of the residential
uh deemed measures. Um Volume three, it goes over the
nonresidential deemed measures um and volume four is
that MLB protocols for both residential and nonresidential
measures that don't quite fit into the deemed measures
So that includes solar PV. Um and then finally Volume
five includes implementation guidance. This comes out
and uh we'll put out guidance memos. Um it's where
we can make clarifications um and um help with programming
implementation documents.
So the approval process, once the TRM um is updated
it will go to commission staff to review and file the
approval um and then there's the 45 day period to file
a petition to challenge the changes. Um once that period
ends then the approved changes that were not challenged
will go into um be considered approved by the commission
So E. I. P. Will kick off the call for TRM updates
Um We'll solicit through E. I. P. The updates um and
we'll be requesting that updates are submitted by May
1st there's going to also be a listener that sent out
with the reminder. So following this meeting um and
then once the TRM is updated we will meet again in
the fall um and go over those updates for 2023. Um
At that point then there'll be a two week review period
for comments. Um And then after that review period
uh Mission profile, the TRM. And that typically happens
that october november time frame.
Alright. And any uh updates, submissions I have, we
have uh Therese Lark and Tina are our tiara Manager
um contacts up there um for submit requests for the
2023 TRM,
are there any questions
is there a formal form that one submits? We we really
just look for emails anyway. You want to get us the
information? Um we we do care and you want to hear
about what people are thinking about that we should
include. So however you want to give us that information
But as Katie said we send that out via you know the
Ei P lesser. So
so consider yourself solicited.
Alright, I will say on the PV your good questions on
tv that isn't our M and B protocols. It uses the Peavey
Watts the D. O. U. Tool to do that. And like I
said, I don't Mark program is RPV expert and I don't
remember if PV is something We've already discussed
for updates this year or not. The tool updates pretty
regularly by so it is a 22. The information about that
Yes. Yes yes yes. But unlike he pumps where I was able
to say oh we already kind of talked about needing to
make some changes given what happened in Fury. Um I
don't know, I mean we've had conversations about PV
along of like you know, westward facing versus south
facing and things like that. But I don't know if Mark
had identified specific changes for this coming year
but the opportunity is open to do so.
All right, we actually get to let everyone go for lunch
I think we finished on a little bit early so that's
always good question. Of course
this is a question directed at puc staff. So the, the
commissioners and the blueprint, um, they adopted in
december said, said one of the things they want to
look at is improving the performance of the efficiency
programs. Um, have you gotten any more direction from
commissioners? What that means or whether it will be
either opening up the rule or examining the rules anytime
during this year or is that no decisions have been
made as of yet? I think that the commissioners are
still making that decision.
So stay tuned. Stay tuned.
Do you want to wrap this up? All right, well everyone
thank you so much for coming. It's great to see everyone
in person and just a reminder. You know, if you have
ideas for updates, the trn, please submit them to myself
and lark and Tina. I know that collectively the utilities
often have a really good set here in measure updates
that are needed. And I know that Frontier also supplies
them and also through ERCOT research. Tetra Tech also
usually has a good set of ideas keeping up with industry
standards. So I would encourage you all to, you know
put on your thinking caps and, and we look forward
to hearing from you and thank you for coming. Mm hmm
Thank you. Thank you