WEBVTT 00:00:08.069 --> 00:00:12.669 Good morning. Welcome to the April 12th, 2024 meeting 00:00:12.679 --> 00:00:16.769 of the Texas State Board of Education. 00:00:16.769 --> 00:00:20.239 The board has been here working since Tuesday. It's 00:00:20.250 --> 00:00:23.699 been a long but I think productive week and thankful 00:00:23.708 --> 00:00:26.489 for everybody's commitment to getting through the business 00:00:26.500 --> 00:00:30.420 throughout the week. Uh This morning, our first order 00:00:30.429 --> 00:00:33.819 of business is student performance and that student 00:00:33.829 --> 00:00:37.429 performance comes from my district district 15 in West 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:40.598 Texas in the Panhandle. So we're greatly honored today 00:00:40.609 --> 00:00:44.228 to have Lubbock ISD whose students drove a long way 00:00:44.240 --> 00:00:47.959 to show us their talents by performing for us. Maria 00:00:47.969 --> 00:00:50.389 Lara is the director of the award-winning Ballet Folk 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:55.228 Folklorico de oro. The performers you see here today 00:00:55.240 --> 00:00:58.459 represent a much larger student population who share 00:00:58.469 --> 00:01:01.649 a passion for Mexican folk dancing. Ballet folklorico 00:01:02.618 --> 00:01:05.370 is known for its communal dancing that is passed down 00:01:05.379 --> 00:01:08.930 from generation to generation in a social or recreational 00:01:08.939 --> 00:01:12.909 atmosphere because each state has its own unique culture 00:01:12.918 --> 00:01:15.769 The steps in choreography are specific to geographic 00:01:15.778 --> 00:01:18.930 regions of Mexico. Students at Lubbock High School 00:01:18.939 --> 00:01:21.459 are able to immerse themselves into this medium on 00:01:21.469 --> 00:01:23.959 a daily basis by taking the course for high school 00:01:23.969 --> 00:01:28.739 fine arts credit Greg Cavazos is the director of the 00:01:28.750 --> 00:01:32.689 Mariachi de Oro. The Lubbock High School program has 00:01:32.698 --> 00:01:36.650 been a staple part of the community since 2004. Like 00:01:36.659 --> 00:01:41.269 it's ballet folkloric folk orico counterpart, Mariachi 00:01:41.278 --> 00:01:44.099 serves as a platform for students of all races to partake 00:01:44.109 --> 00:01:46.790 and learn about the beautiful music and culture of 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:50.058 Mexico. This highly acclaimed ensemble has advanced 00:01:50.069 --> 00:01:53.319 to the state uil competition every year since it began 00:01:53.329 --> 00:01:58.370 in 2016. I'd like to especially thank Dr Rowe for the 00:01:58.379 --> 00:02:00.680 school and the school board for supporting fine arts 00:02:00.689 --> 00:02:03.058 education and accepting my invitation to perform for 00:02:03.069 --> 00:02:05.579 us this morning. Please put your hands together for 00:02:05.588 --> 00:02:09.169 our Lubbock High School Ballet, Folklorico de Oro and 00:02:09.179 --> 00:02:17.409 Lubbock High School Mariachi de Oro. 00:02:17.409 --> 00:02:20.169 Now, before we begin, we would like to thank our chairman 00:02:20.199 --> 00:02:22.429 Kenzi for allowing us this opportunity to come and 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:25.088 perform for you all. We'd also like to give a special 00:02:25.099 --> 00:02:30.088 thanks to Superintendent Cat on 00:02:30.088 --> 00:02:31.659 like 00:02:31.659 --> 00:02:34.838 Mr Greg Cavasso and Nora Lara for preparing us for 00:02:34.849 --> 00:02:39.038 our performance today. And without ado, please enjoy 00:02:39.050 --> 00:02:41.788 a performance brought to you by Mariachi in Valet Historico 00:02:42.179 --> 00:15:27.379 de Oro. 00:15:27.379 --> 00:15:35.298 Mhm. 00:15:35.298 --> 00:15:39.340 Ok. At this time, can I have uh Maria and Greg and 00:15:39.349 --> 00:15:46.629 Laura? 00:15:46.629 --> 00:15:49.460 We want to present you with this special commendation 00:15:49.469 --> 00:15:52.149 for today's performance. So thank you for being with 00:15:52.158 --> 00:15:55.849 us driving all the way from Lubbock. Thank you so much 00:16:03.369 --> 00:16:09.190 members. It's not here that to OK, members. Uh It's 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:13.739 917, we'll go ahead and stand at ease until 930 here 00:16:13.750 --> 00:16:15.710 We don't need to reset the room but just give everybody 00:16:15.719 --> 00:16:19.469 a chance to um exit, take pictures or whatever from 00:16:19.479 --> 00:16:21.509 the student performance and then we'll be back at 930 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:28.129 Thank you. 00:16:28.129 --> 00:16:33.219 We'll go ahead and pick up now with the agenda. Actually 00:16:33.229 --> 00:16:37.678 before the agenda, I believe Dr Bell Meadow is going 00:16:37.690 --> 00:16:56.639 to lead us in the invocation and the pledges. 00:16:56.639 --> 00:17:00.259 Let us pray. 00:17:00.259 --> 00:17:03.460 Let us pray for wisdom. When students and their parents 00:17:03.469 --> 00:17:08.380 and teachers rely on us for good judgment. Let us pray 00:17:08.390 --> 00:17:12.059 for generosity. When we are attempted to be greedy 00:17:13.420 --> 00:17:16.650 Let us pray for courage to speak the truth. When it 00:17:16.660 --> 00:17:20.587 is hard to say what is true. 00:17:20.587 --> 00:17:24.468 Let us speak up when we see bullying or we must stand 00:17:24.479 --> 00:17:29.608 up for what we believe. Let us simply stay silent when 00:17:29.618 --> 00:17:34.108 we want to say words that hurt others. Let us pray 00:17:34.118 --> 00:17:39.269 for kindness when it would be easy to be cruel. 00:17:39.269 --> 00:17:42.848 Let us pray for humility when it is tempting to be 00:17:42.858 --> 00:17:45.519 proud. 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:49.368 Let us pray for speed when it is easier to dawdle or 00:17:49.380 --> 00:17:51.608 delay. 00:17:51.608 --> 00:17:56.229 Let us pray for patients when we're in a hurry. 00:17:56.229 --> 00:18:00.670 Let us pray for creativity and energy when we are bored 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:07.000 or tired, let us laugh when we can let us pray for 00:18:07.009 --> 00:18:11.239 conviction when we feel uncertain. 00:18:11.239 --> 00:18:14.969 Let us pray for uncertainty when we are absolutely 00:18:14.979 --> 00:18:18.368 sure that we are right. 00:18:18.368 --> 00:18:21.489 Let us pray for the insight that little things don't 00:18:21.500 --> 00:18:26.729 matter as much as we think they do and let us pray 00:18:26.739 --> 00:18:30.299 for the belief that every little thing we do matters 00:18:30.719 --> 00:18:34.650 whether it is saving a cup of water, hugging someone 00:18:34.900 --> 00:18:38.868 crying along with those who grieve or rescuing our 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:43.250 precious planet Earth. The only home that we have ever 00:18:43.259 --> 00:18:52.400 known. Amen. 00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:56.469 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States 00:18:56.479 --> 00:19:00.640 of America and to the Republic for which it stands 00:19:00.890 --> 00:19:06.059 one nation under God. Indivisible with liberty and 00:19:06.068 --> 00:19:09.489 justice for all. 00:19:09.489 --> 00:19:15.059 Honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to the Essex 00:19:15.348 --> 00:19:23.779 one state under God one and indivisible. 00:19:23.779 --> 00:19:34.489 Ok. 00:19:34.489 --> 00:19:48.118 Yes. 00:19:48.118 --> 00:19:51.380 Ok. Thank you, Doctor Bell Meadow staff. Will you please 00:19:51.390 --> 00:19:53.779 call the roll 00:19:53.779 --> 00:19:59.959 vice chair? Little here. Member of member Bell Runner 00:20:00.328 --> 00:20:04.568 here, member Childs 00:20:04.568 --> 00:20:10.250 member Perez Diaz member Francis 00:20:10.250 --> 00:20:15.979 member Ortega here, member Brooks member Davis, here 00:20:16.229 --> 00:20:22.739 member Maynard member, Ellis, member Young here, member 00:20:22.750 --> 00:20:24.828 Pickron 00:20:24.828 --> 00:20:34.640 member Hickman member Hardy chair Kinsey here. 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:39.098 Thank you. Quorum is present. The next business to 00:20:39.108 --> 00:20:41.160 be considered today is the approval of the minutes 00:20:41.170 --> 00:20:44.660 of the state Board of Education meetings from February 00:20:44.689 --> 00:20:48.959 2nd 2024. Are there any corrections to the minutes 00:20:53.608 --> 00:20:57.019 There are no corrections and the minutes are approved 00:20:57.789 --> 00:21:00.848 The next business in order is a presentation of resolutions 00:21:01.039 --> 00:21:04.289 We are pleased today to have one resolution for consideration 00:21:04.670 --> 00:21:07.848 This resolution honors the former state Board of Education 00:21:07.858 --> 00:21:11.380 chair, Dr Kevin Ellis, Mister Maynard. Will you please 00:21:11.390 --> 00:21:23.739 present the resolution 00:21:23.739 --> 00:21:28.160 this uh this runs contrary to every, every bone in 00:21:28.170 --> 00:21:32.328 this guy's body. But uh Doctor Ellis, uh we would like 00:21:32.338 --> 00:21:33.979 for you to stand right in the middle of the circle 00:21:37.338 --> 00:21:40.930 Mr Kinsey. I get you by a bar. I, I, I've got 00:21:40.939 --> 00:22:07.130 I've got a piece of hardware that uh we need to. 00:22:07.130 --> 00:22:10.559 The resolution is as follows. Whereas Kevin Ellis was 00:22:10.568 --> 00:22:13.140 first elected to the State Board of Education in 2016 00:22:13.150 --> 00:22:16.029 And whereas it quickly became apparent that Kevin Ellis 00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:19.279 possessed strong leadership skills and became a trusted 00:22:19.289 --> 00:22:23.289 sounding board for spe members. And whereas in 2017 00:22:23.299 --> 00:22:27.469 2018, he was selected and served as vice chair of the 00:22:27.479 --> 00:22:30.630 leg legislatively created Texas Commission on public 00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:33.059 school Finance, which laid the groundwork for sweeping 00:22:33.068 --> 00:22:38.000 changes to the way Texas funds as public schools. And 00:22:38.009 --> 00:22:40.969 whereas having served, served ably on the state commission 00:22:41.709 --> 00:22:45.519 Governor Greg Abbott appointed Kevin Ellis as chair 00:22:45.529 --> 00:22:49.078 of the, of the Sboe on September 16th 2019 for a twoyear 00:22:49.088 --> 00:22:52.529 term and subsequently reappointed him to a second term 00:22:52.539 --> 00:22:56.568 in 2021. Dr Ellis was confirmed by the Texas Senate 00:22:56.578 --> 00:23:00.608 in April of 2023 with a unanimous vote of 31 to nothing 00:23:01.469 --> 00:23:04.130 And whereas during his tenure as chair, Kevin Ellis 00:23:04.140 --> 00:23:06.949 presided over numerous revisions to the Texas essential 00:23:06.959 --> 00:23:09.640 knowledge and skills standards and helped implement 00:23:09.650 --> 00:23:12.279 major changes to the administration of the Texas Permanent 00:23:12.289 --> 00:23:15.410 School Fund. And whereas his strength as a leader has 00:23:15.420 --> 00:23:18.608 been recognized, both within and outside of the state 00:23:18.618 --> 00:23:21.969 of Texas, as evidenced by his selection as chair elect 00:23:21.979 --> 00:23:24.689 of the National Association of State Boards of Education 00:23:25.098 --> 00:23:28.689 And whereas as the leader of the board, the doctor 00:23:28.699 --> 00:23:32.828 diagnosed what needed to be done to keep the board 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:37.229 functioning efficiently and made necessary adjustments 00:23:37.239 --> 00:23:39.630 to allow the board to handle a range of motions without 00:23:39.640 --> 00:23:44.880 experiencing the curvatures of the process. 00:23:44.880 --> 00:23:47.799 Whereas he has now served the maximum length of time 00:23:47.809 --> 00:23:50.509 as board chair. But whereas he will remain a member 00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:52.959 of the board, allowing members to continue to turn 00:23:52.969 --> 00:23:56.799 to him from for wisdom and guidance. Now there therefore 00:23:56.809 --> 00:23:59.890 be it resolved that the State Board of Education expresses 00:23:59.900 --> 00:24:03.189 its appreciation and gratitude to Kevin Ellis for his 00:24:03.199 --> 00:24:06.250 strong and thoughtful leadership as board chair and 00:24:06.259 --> 00:24:08.719 be it further resolved that the members look forward 00:24:08.729 --> 00:24:11.818 to his continuing service on the board as he represents 00:24:11.828 --> 00:24:15.509 his Northeast Texas constituents in the state at large 00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:19.279 witness our signatures this 12th day of April 2024 00:24:19.289 --> 00:24:23.019 in Austin, Texas. Dr Ellis, the man that's always got 00:24:23.029 --> 00:24:26.358 your back 00:24:26.358 --> 00:24:53.809 mister chair. I move adoption. 00:24:53.809 --> 00:24:58.118 Congratulations Dr Ellis members. All those in favor 00:24:58.130 --> 00:25:02.989 of adopting the resolution. Say I A the resolution 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:06.239 is adopted. 00:25:06.239 --> 00:25:23.140 Is there any public testimony today? 00:25:23.140 --> 00:25:27.318 Ok. When I call your name, um please come up to speak 00:25:27.328 --> 00:25:29.259 you'll have two minutes and I'll ring the bell at a 00:25:29.269 --> 00:25:31.930 minute and 30 to warn you for a 32nd warning. And then 00:25:31.939 --> 00:25:33.630 we'll ring the bell again to let you know your time 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:38.289 is up. I'm gonna call you up in groups of four, Jackie 00:25:38.420 --> 00:25:43.430 Binger, 00:25:43.430 --> 00:25:47.000 Bob Whistler, 00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:50.199 Terry Ks 00:25:50.199 --> 00:26:06.130 Robert Norris, 00:26:06.130 --> 00:26:16.219 Jackie Binger. 00:26:16.219 --> 00:26:19.449 Can you hear me? 00:26:19.449 --> 00:26:23.509 Ok, good morning bore. I want to thank you for your 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:26.299 leadership and attention to all important issues we 00:26:26.309 --> 00:26:31.519 face in education today. I want to highlight the significance 00:26:32.180 --> 00:26:35.689 the significant concerns that Texas parents have about 00:26:35.699 --> 00:26:39.500 social study standards. It's crucial to take a proactive 00:26:39.509 --> 00:26:43.328 step to address the issues. Now, instead of waiting 00:26:43.338 --> 00:26:48.049 another year, one important step is to approve Doctor 00:26:48.170 --> 00:26:52.009 Yong's request for her presentation on social studies 00:26:52.019 --> 00:26:56.880 standards. Doctor Yong and her team have worked incredibly 00:26:56.890 --> 00:26:59.838 hard and their efforts deserve to be recognized by 00:26:59.848 --> 00:27:02.789 the Board Parents and the State Board of Education 00:27:03.250 --> 00:27:05.930 pe A 00:27:05.930 --> 00:27:09.328 It's beyond concerning that her presentation wasn't 00:27:09.338 --> 00:27:12.719 included on Jie's agenda and it seems like it won't 00:27:12.729 --> 00:27:17.598 be included in the future. Mr Kinsey as advocates for 00:27:17.608 --> 00:27:21.229 education and parents. We have the duty to prioritize 00:27:21.239 --> 00:27:24.209 our Children and best interest over personal political 00:27:24.219 --> 00:27:29.449 agendas. Please take that in mind. We have carefully 00:27:29.459 --> 00:27:34.900 looked at the Texas education code TEC. Um And we are 00:27:34.910 --> 00:27:38.920 seriously thinking about what has happened, has happened 00:27:38.930 --> 00:27:45.910 so far with SB three 1605, does not supersede SV three 00:27:46.059 --> 00:27:50.650 and we need to remember that this was stable temporarily 00:27:50.729 --> 00:27:54.289 and we're not going to wait until next year. 00:27:54.289 --> 00:28:03.539 We want that now. 00:28:03.539 --> 00:28:19.059 Ok. Thank you, Bob Whistler. 00:28:19.059 --> 00:28:20.838 Good morning. Ladies and gentlemen. My name is Bob 00:28:20.848 --> 00:28:24.009 Whistler. I'm a citizen Pottawatomie legislator and 00:28:24.019 --> 00:28:27.160 I represent our citizens that reside in central and 00:28:27.170 --> 00:28:29.799 eastern Texas. You're gonna have to bear with me a 00:28:29.809 --> 00:28:32.160 little bit today because you're being handed a copy 00:28:32.170 --> 00:28:36.559 of my planned uh, comments to you and I'm going to 00:28:36.568 --> 00:28:39.779 change the direction that I'm taking. I just want to 00:28:39.789 --> 00:28:41.469 give you a little more information on the course and 00:28:41.479 --> 00:28:46.108 so forth. Currently, there are 574 nations in the United 00:28:46.118 --> 00:28:51.239 States. Out of about 574 there's 170 people. I'm sorry 00:28:51.250 --> 00:28:55.358 there's 170 tribes represented today in the state of 00:28:55.368 --> 00:29:00.949 Texas of the 400,000 Native Americans that are residing 00:29:00.959 --> 00:29:05.568 here. The, the American Indian native studies course 00:29:05.578 --> 00:29:09.130 was designed to be very flexible. Initially, there 00:29:09.140 --> 00:29:13.509 were 11 nations here, approximately 11 nations in the 00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:17.160 State of Texas, literally all were removed. I'm sorry 00:29:17.219 --> 00:29:18.900 with the exception of the three that are currently 00:29:18.910 --> 00:29:21.160 still here. And I know that you're trying to take a 00:29:21.170 --> 00:29:25.269 look at the course as it represents the state of Texas 00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:28.759 But because of the number of people that are from all 00:29:28.769 --> 00:29:31.930 the different tribes, we designed the course so that 00:29:31.969 --> 00:29:35.068 the individual student could explore the course and 00:29:35.078 --> 00:29:39.118 determine what was there. The course is not cast in 00:29:39.130 --> 00:29:43.880 stone, it's set up to be used and it is used today 00:29:43.890 --> 00:29:46.848 in Grand Prairie and in other areas where it's very 00:29:46.858 --> 00:29:51.739 flexible. We didn't mean to just say it's this or it's 00:29:51.750 --> 00:29:54.848 that, yes, there are some small things that we probably 00:29:54.858 --> 00:29:59.118 have included, that might be insignificant. So, what 00:29:59.150 --> 00:30:02.390 it's going to be excluded anyway by the teacher and 00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:06.838 they'll concentrate on what really is meant to be because 00:30:06.848 --> 00:30:09.858 of removal of the nations and so forth and then the 00:30:09.868 --> 00:30:12.809 ultimate relocation just like the people that I represent 00:30:12.818 --> 00:30:16.170 here. If it came from Texas and so forth, we need a 00:30:16.180 --> 00:30:19.900 course that's broad, not something like other states 00:30:19.910 --> 00:30:22.209 present where all they talk about in the natives and 00:30:22.219 --> 00:30:26.250 their state, it does not achieve what we want to achieve 00:30:26.259 --> 00:30:29.229 And that is to take the students that are here and 00:30:29.239 --> 00:30:32.769 let them learn about their own history. It's fine for 00:30:32.779 --> 00:30:35.118 them to learn about Texas, but they really need to 00:30:35.130 --> 00:30:38.769 be exposed back to their history and the way they grew 00:30:38.779 --> 00:30:43.578 up in summary, I ask that you put this class that meets 00:30:43.588 --> 00:30:46.568 the, take standards on the agenda for your next meeting 00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:49.250 And I thank you. 00:30:49.250 --> 00:30:52.130 I'm sorry if I'm loud. 00:30:52.130 --> 00:31:14.979 Terry Koso. 00:31:14.979 --> 00:31:17.400 Can I start? Ok, thanks. I wasn't sure who was gonna 00:31:17.410 --> 00:31:21.259 press the timer. Uh I'm Terry but I'm a, I'm 76 years 00:31:21.269 --> 00:31:25.000 old and I'm a grandparent of three Texas kids. I'm 00:31:25.009 --> 00:31:29.430 sorry what? Uh oh, 00:31:29.430 --> 00:31:32.640 I'm not sure where it is but just to, just to your 00:31:32.769 --> 00:31:36.390 right. Ok. Oh, I see it now. Ok. I'm still Terry Cosa 00:31:36.549 --> 00:31:39.390 but I'm still 76 years old. I wish I was 75 but 00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:44.019 I'm still 76 and I'm here because I'm a grandparent 00:31:44.029 --> 00:31:47.650 for public Texas public schools. As my button says 00:31:47.890 --> 00:31:50.910 this is an organization of grandparents across Texas 00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:54.318 which are wondering why Texas being the ninth largest 00:31:54.328 --> 00:31:58.449 economy on earth. Wow. The ninth largest economy on 00:31:58.459 --> 00:32:02.348 Earth under funds its public schools. I'm here for 00:32:02.358 --> 00:32:05.500 four issues today. I'm really here mainly for this 00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:09.289 this issue that just appeared recently regarding the 00:32:09.299 --> 00:32:13.368 $8.5 billion for the permanent school fund. But in 00:32:13.380 --> 00:32:15.890 order to understand that issue, we need to look at 00:32:15.900 --> 00:32:18.219 a couple of other things that are going on in Texas 00:32:18.229 --> 00:32:22.049 at this time. Ok. Book banning is one of those other 00:32:22.059 --> 00:32:25.809 things, book banning, suppresses knowledge to our kids 00:32:25.989 --> 00:32:29.939 We got a bunch of really good librarians who basically 00:32:30.420 --> 00:32:35.509 monitor and make sure that kids get ages or age appropriate 00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.250 books to read. There's no reason for book banning. 00:32:38.279 --> 00:32:42.939 Only unhealthy places, ban books. We don't want, we 00:32:42.949 --> 00:32:46.549 would like you to rescind all book banning. Number 00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:54.098 two fiscal year, 2023 ended with $32.5 billion surplus 00:32:54.469 --> 00:32:57.779 but Texas teachers didn't get a raise. Does that make 00:32:57.789 --> 00:33:02.670 any sense? Grandparents don't think so? Number three 00:33:03.598 --> 00:33:07.420 8.5 cents billion was diverted away from one of the 00:33:07.549 --> 00:33:11.568 is, is that my one minute warning? Ok, 8.5 billion 00:33:11.789 --> 00:33:16.098 was diverted away that 8.5 cents billion dollars was 00:33:16.108 --> 00:33:18.799 earning interest. We would like to see that 8.5 cents 00:33:18.809 --> 00:33:24.578 billion invested in a fund which is equivalent or better 00:33:24.588 --> 00:33:28.910 than the Black, what is it Black Rock Fund? If it's 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:30.949 going to be removed from Black Rock, make sure it's 00:33:30.959 --> 00:33:33.969 invested in a funding that's giving at least equivalent 00:33:34.150 --> 00:33:37.729 return on investment. And number four, we'd like to 00:33:37.739 --> 00:33:40.838 see people notify the public when there's going to 00:33:40.848 --> 00:33:43.608 be divested church like this. Thank you. And now is 00:33:43.618 --> 00:33:49.868 the fastest two minutes I've seen. 00:33:49.868 --> 00:33:54.719 Ok. Thank you, Robert Norris. 00:33:54.719 --> 00:33:59.039 Mhm. 00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:01.189 Good morning. I'm Robert Norris. I'm the founder and 00:34:01.199 --> 00:34:03.459 lead for grandparents for public schools. First of 00:34:03.469 --> 00:34:05.779 all, I want to second everything that Terry Kosovo 00:34:05.799 --> 00:34:07.989 said. 00:34:07.989 --> 00:34:12.219 We're very, very concerned about the decision that 00:34:12.228 --> 00:34:17.889 this board made to disinvest $8.5 billion from Black 00:34:18.019 --> 00:34:20.728 Rock, the investment manager. It's our understanding 00:34:20.739 --> 00:34:23.378 that they were producing excellent investment returns 00:34:23.389 --> 00:34:27.398 for the state. That's a decision when you move money 00:34:27.409 --> 00:34:31.840 out of such a high performing fund that has an impact 00:34:32.148 --> 00:34:36.679 on the ability of the PSF to produce earnings for the 00:34:36.688 --> 00:34:39.519 available school fund as well as instructional materials 00:34:40.519 --> 00:34:44.378 So we would like the, we would ask the board to reconsider 00:34:44.510 --> 00:34:47.809 that decision. Secondly, with regard to book banning 00:34:48.159 --> 00:34:53.918 your policy at this point, undercuts the hard work 00:34:53.927 --> 00:34:57.059 that Texas public school librarians have put in to 00:34:57.137 --> 00:35:00.559 provide beneficial reading materials for Texas public 00:35:00.568 --> 00:35:04.958 school students. So there again, we ask you to reconsider 00:35:04.967 --> 00:35:12.648 that decision and repeal that policy. Um I'd like to 00:35:12.659 --> 00:35:14.889 thank you for this opportunity today and be happy to 00:35:14.898 --> 00:35:19.469 answer any questions. 00:35:19.469 --> 00:35:24.929 Ok. Thank you. Thank you. 00:35:24.929 --> 00:35:27.458 All right, we're gonna move on to the next group of 00:35:27.469 --> 00:35:30.010 individuals to testify. I have, I don't want to call 00:35:30.019 --> 00:35:35.478 the next three names. Lena Martinez Wolfinger, Angel 00:35:35.688 --> 00:35:51.699 Huang. Nancy Blake. 00:35:51.699 --> 00:35:55.478 Lena. Mhm. Good morning. Thank you for your time and 00:35:55.489 --> 00:35:57.869 attention today. My name is Lena Martinez Wolfinger 00:35:57.878 --> 00:35:59.969 I'm an attorney and part of the committee that has 00:35:59.978 --> 00:36:03.409 worked for the past 4.5 years to draft and revise the 00:36:03.418 --> 00:36:06.469 American Indian Native Studies course. Following each 00:36:06.478 --> 00:36:09.429 of the procedural steps you and te A have required 00:36:09.438 --> 00:36:12.449 even as those steps shifted beneath us, I want to start 00:36:12.458 --> 00:36:14.579 today by acknowledging the continued support we've 00:36:14.590 --> 00:36:17.449 experienced from members of this board. We see you 00:36:17.458 --> 00:36:19.860 and your consistent optimism paired with your willingness 00:36:19.869 --> 00:36:22.438 to roll up your sleeves and engage all aspects of this 00:36:22.449 --> 00:36:25.659 work is inspiring. The request I have today is not 00:36:25.668 --> 00:36:28.269 a new one. The course has moved through T A's review 00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:30.728 process through committee and been here ready for a 00:36:30.739 --> 00:36:34.110 first reading before the content has been vetted. And 00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:36.139 when given the opportunity, we have listened to your 00:36:36.148 --> 00:36:38.860 concerns and addressed them more efficiently than any 00:36:38.869 --> 00:36:41.530 board or committee I've ever witnessed. Thanks to the 00:36:41.539 --> 00:36:44.489 collective expertise that exists within our community 00:36:45.300 --> 00:36:48.530 It is time, it's time to stop the historical exclusion 00:36:48.539 --> 00:36:51.438 of this content from our education systems. You've 00:36:51.449 --> 00:36:53.760 heard from so many of those who support this course 00:36:53.769 --> 00:36:56.929 that we connected to and learned about native studies 00:36:56.938 --> 00:36:59.579 after leaving Texas public schools. And I think there's 00:36:59.590 --> 00:37:02.780 two really important realities embedded in those testimonies 00:37:02.958 --> 00:37:06.360 One is that it didn't prevent us from finding the information 00:37:06.590 --> 00:37:08.978 It just made us mad when we found out that it was 00:37:08.989 --> 00:37:11.478 kept from us and affirmed our need to ensure that it 00:37:11.489 --> 00:37:14.849 didn't happen to other kids like us. The second is 00:37:14.860 --> 00:37:16.918 that there's room and capacity for you to put in the 00:37:16.929 --> 00:37:19.769 work as well. We're here to work with you and revise 00:37:19.780 --> 00:37:22.780 again for clarity. If you give us the chance, this 00:37:22.789 --> 00:37:24.989 course is important, not only because it adds diverse 00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:27.659 and contending perspectives to our course offerings 00:37:27.668 --> 00:37:30.219 but also because it adds dimension to an often flattened 00:37:30.228 --> 00:37:33.590 American Indian experience by asking students to examine 00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:35.840 the diverse and contending perspectives that exist 00:37:35.849 --> 00:37:39.260 within the native community of nations. It isn't about 00:37:39.269 --> 00:37:41.728 a nice thing that you can do for American Indians. 00:37:41.739 --> 00:37:44.079 It's about offering full and honest content to our 00:37:44.090 --> 00:37:46.829 students with all of this in mind. I'm asking that 00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:49.289 you respect our commitment to continued engagement 00:37:49.300 --> 00:37:51.750 with you about this course and demonstrate your own 00:37:51.760 --> 00:37:54.760 commitment to open civil discourse and the integrity 00:37:54.769 --> 00:37:57.050 of this improval process so that we can address any 00:37:57.059 --> 00:38:05.929 concerns you have. Thank you, 00:38:05.929 --> 00:38:10.708 Angel Huang. 00:38:10.708 --> 00:38:24.570 Nancy Blake. 00:38:24.570 --> 00:38:28.050 OK. Members, we have two late registrants for public 00:38:28.059 --> 00:38:30.898 testimony. Is there any objection to allowing them 00:38:30.909 --> 00:38:33.418 to testify? 00:38:33.418 --> 00:38:36.519 No objection. 00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:39.619 K Cortez 00:38:39.619 --> 00:38:49.438 Orlando, Laura 00:38:49.438 --> 00:38:56.329 Kennedy Cortez 00:38:56.329 --> 00:39:01.539 Top. 00:39:01.539 --> 00:39:04.780 Hello, my name is Kennedy Cortez. I am a student at 00:39:04.789 --> 00:39:08.179 the University of Texas at Austin. I am co-director 00:39:08.188 --> 00:39:10.409 of the Native American and Indigenous Collective, which 00:39:10.418 --> 00:39:14.519 is the only native org at UT I am here today on 00:39:14.530 --> 00:39:18.378 behalf of students on behalf of university, but mostly 00:39:18.389 --> 00:39:24.659 the youth. I am also indigenous as we know um indigenous 00:39:24.668 --> 00:39:29.949 to Mexico and as a student in my high school education 00:39:30.378 --> 00:39:35.148 I was denied access to these studies, the Native American 00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:40.159 Indigenous Studies course, as somebody who has cousins 00:39:40.168 --> 00:39:43.199 who are currently in high school. And more importantly 00:39:43.208 --> 00:39:46.309 as somebody who just talked to the folklorico dancers 00:39:46.320 --> 00:39:49.840 who just performed for us today, we see that students 00:39:49.849 --> 00:39:53.050 want to have this course. My cousin just came this 00:39:53.059 --> 00:39:56.168 past weekend and she's currently enrolled in the African 00:39:56.179 --> 00:39:58.949 American studies course. And she asked me why there 00:39:58.958 --> 00:40:02.760 isn't a Native studies course and the fact that not 00:40:02.769 --> 00:40:07.320 only do we know that they want them, but they're asking 00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:11.389 the students in Lubbock, I just talked to them. They're 00:40:11.398 --> 00:40:14.769 also wanting the Native studies course. And so I think 00:40:14.780 --> 00:40:17.039 it's very important that we realize why we're here 00:40:17.050 --> 00:40:19.208 today. We're here for education, we're here for the 00:40:19.219 --> 00:40:22.579 students and to deny something that is so important 00:40:22.610 --> 00:40:27.699 that has had so many gaps. There is not any record 00:40:27.708 --> 00:40:31.878 of indigenous people after 19 hundreds. And this is 00:40:32.780 --> 00:40:35.320 something that encourages violence towards indigenous 00:40:35.329 --> 00:40:40.128 people because it only leaves stereotypes. And whenever 00:40:40.139 --> 00:40:44.239 we look at the statistics in Lubbock alone, there are 00:40:44.250 --> 00:40:49.128 56 petition signatures that we have gathered with a 00:40:49.139 --> 00:40:55.469 total of 917. And so I want us to really think about 00:40:55.478 --> 00:40:58.199 today. You know, we had these students here, we had 00:40:58.208 --> 00:41:00.300 this youth here and this is who we are meant to serve 00:41:00.750 --> 00:41:04.099 And I want to urge chair Kinsey and the board members 00:41:04.110 --> 00:41:08.340 who have expressed concerns to have face to face meetings 00:41:08.349 --> 00:41:11.179 with the curriculum writers because we have offered 00:41:11.188 --> 00:41:13.320 face to face meetings. We have offered our time and 00:41:13.329 --> 00:41:16.530 energy and I think it's time to respect the youth because 00:41:16.539 --> 00:41:20.389 you guys are here for us. Thank you and I'm open for 00:41:20.398 --> 00:41:25.250 any questions and I encourage them. 00:41:25.250 --> 00:41:43.539 Thank you, Orlando Laura, 00:41:43.539 --> 00:41:47.840 sir. Hello, my name is Orlando Lara. I'm presenting 00:41:47.849 --> 00:41:50.570 support materials for the American Indian Native Studies 00:41:50.579 --> 00:41:53.239 course. On behalf of the ethnic studies for Texas schools 00:41:53.250 --> 00:41:56.320 Coalition Kennedy already reported some of the numbers 00:41:56.329 --> 00:41:58.458 I'm going to send these documents to you a little bit 00:41:58.469 --> 00:42:02.820 later. One thing I'll add is we're now up to 60 organizations 00:42:02.829 --> 00:42:06.199 in Texas that support the Corps, five tribal councils 00:42:06.208 --> 00:42:08.918 and native organizations, three college level native 00:42:08.929 --> 00:42:11.639 student groups, two community groups from Lubbock. 00:42:13.030 --> 00:42:17.070 And you guys have all received by our count. More than 00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:21.280 276 emails in the past few months. So the community 00:42:21.289 --> 00:42:24.289 support is there. I think we've established that in 00:42:24.300 --> 00:42:27.679 January chair, Kinsey said he looked forward to engaging 00:42:27.949 --> 00:42:30.639 in more conversations and expressed his desire to learn 00:42:30.648 --> 00:42:34.039 more. And we are confused frankly about what happened 00:42:34.050 --> 00:42:37.559 with those conversations. And if this learning more 00:42:37.570 --> 00:42:41.449 happened and with who and together with Kennedy, I 00:42:41.458 --> 00:42:44.800 share her call to for the board members who do have 00:42:44.809 --> 00:42:47.869 concerns to actually have face to face meetings with 00:42:47.878 --> 00:42:50.708 community members, break some bread, have some fried 00:42:50.719 --> 00:42:52.949 bread. Let's have a real conversation. It shouldn't 00:42:52.958 --> 00:42:55.909 be illegal to do that. And let's do that in the next 00:42:55.918 --> 00:42:59.289 two weeks before the next agenda item is finalized 00:42:59.438 --> 00:43:03.139 The the wall of silence has to be broken on this. We 00:43:03.148 --> 00:43:07.219 can get this done. There's we have time to review a 00:43:07.228 --> 00:43:10.668 10 page course in four months. It's not that hard. 00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:15.309 Um but the process has to begin now and and the course 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:18.550 has to be added to the agenda in June creating social 00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:21.978 studies. Teak is important. Um African American studies 00:43:21.989 --> 00:43:24.809 spent one year as an innovative course and was added 00:43:24.820 --> 00:43:28.849 to the social studies teach in 2020. It had 72 students 00:43:28.860 --> 00:43:31.628 enrolled when it was an innovative course. When it 00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:36.139 became a teach course, it jumped to 2100 students a 00:43:36.148 --> 00:43:39.699 huge jump. Why is an American Indian studies not being 00:43:39.708 --> 00:43:43.179 given the same opportunity? Um Students, one ethnic 00:43:43.188 --> 00:43:46.260 studies, Mass and African American studies are the 00:43:46.269 --> 00:43:49.409 most popular high school level social studies electives 00:43:49.418 --> 00:43:52.628 21,000 students are taking them for the past three 00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:55.228 years. Both of them have been the most popular courses 00:43:55.239 --> 00:43:57.938 So I want my daughter to be able to take this class 00:43:57.949 --> 00:44:00.648 when she's in high school. So let's work together and 00:44:00.659 --> 00:44:11.989 get these things done. Thank you. 00:44:11.989 --> 00:44:18.409 OK. Members, we are on to agenda item number two point 00:44:18.418 --> 00:44:20.699 of inquiry, I thought on Fridays, we are able to ask 00:44:20.708 --> 00:44:24.159 questions to both the chair and staff about the testifier 00:44:24.168 --> 00:44:34.550 but we can't engage with the testifier 00:44:34.550 --> 00:44:37.000 when something's not on the agenda. The only thing 00:44:37.010 --> 00:44:39.519 you can talk about is the possibility of putting on 00:44:39.530 --> 00:44:42.128 a future agenda. 00:44:42.128 --> 00:44:44.639 And I do have questions about that particular for not 00:44:44.648 --> 00:45:17.909 for the testifier but for staff and for the chair 00:45:17.909 --> 00:45:21.010 member Davis had been advised by the parliamentarian 00:45:21.289 --> 00:45:23.800 that in order to be able to discuss it at this point 00:45:23.809 --> 00:45:26.469 you would have to make a motion 00:45:26.469 --> 00:45:28.079 and what would that motion need to look like? Just 00:45:28.090 --> 00:45:45.579 a motion to ask questions or? 00:45:45.579 --> 00:45:48.280 Right, the issue would be the motion would be to put 00:45:48.289 --> 00:45:52.199 it on a future agenda. 00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:54.199 So for clarity, I make a motion to put it on a 00:45:54.208 --> 00:45:56.969 future agenda and then that gives me flexibility to 00:45:56.978 --> 00:46:00.688 be able to ask questions. No, that's the only thing 00:46:00.699 --> 00:46:02.570 we're going to be able to discuss is whether to put 00:46:02.579 --> 00:46:06.889 it on a future agenda. Um Previously, I think you just 00:46:06.898 --> 00:46:09.789 said that I can ask questions to staff in the chair 00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:14.820 but now we'll have to do that through a motion. 00:46:14.820 --> 00:46:21.409 So under 551 42, the government code, if, if a member 00:46:21.418 --> 00:46:24.219 of the public inquires about a subject that we don't 00:46:24.228 --> 00:46:28.760 have notice on which is where we're at. Now. Um The 00:46:28.820 --> 00:46:33.360 provisions of the o open of the Open Meetings Act do 00:46:33.369 --> 00:46:37.659 not apply if it is a statement of specific factual 00:46:37.668 --> 00:46:41.628 information given in response to the inquiry or a recitation 00:46:41.639 --> 00:46:44.969 of existing policy in response to the inquiry. So th 00:46:44.978 --> 00:46:49.489 those are two responses you can make to um to the to 00:46:49.500 --> 00:46:52.409 the public when they come in. And then there is another 00:46:52.418 --> 00:46:55.648 section which we've been talking about is any deliberation 00:46:55.659 --> 00:46:59.309 of or decision about the subject of the inquiry shall 00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:02.889 be limited to a proposal to place the subject on the 00:47:02.898 --> 00:47:06.449 agenda for subsequently. So for the first option, you 00:47:06.458 --> 00:47:08.969 said I can't give responses to the public in a general 00:47:08.978 --> 00:47:13.168 statement. Uh There has to be a statement of specific 00:47:13.179 --> 00:47:18.168 factual information uh or a recitation of existing 00:47:18.179 --> 00:47:22.679 policy. OK. I would like to give a statement of specific 00:47:22.688 --> 00:47:26.469 factual information. 00:47:26.469 --> 00:47:30.188 In our last meeting. I um talked to Chair Kinsey about 00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:32.719 actually having conversations to move this forward 00:47:32.898 --> 00:47:35.409 and what it needs to look like for standards. He did 00:47:35.418 --> 00:47:37.869 promise both me and member Hardy, he would talk to 00:47:37.878 --> 00:47:40.478 us about the standards, but we have never had that 00:47:40.489 --> 00:47:43.619 conversation. So as a statement of specific factual 00:47:43.628 --> 00:47:46.853 as a response, it says here that chair Kinsey was supposed 00:47:46.864 --> 00:47:49.594 to have those conversations, I will say we did talk 00:47:49.715 --> 00:47:52.465 but in that conversation, we did not discuss the standards 00:47:52.474 --> 00:47:55.875 He only asked for the materials and things like that 00:47:55.885 --> 00:47:58.875 So we have not had a conversation about the standards 00:47:58.885 --> 00:48:01.925 and I'm unaware of any members. He's had those specific 00:48:01.934 --> 00:48:13.349 conversations with about the standards. 00:48:13.349 --> 00:48:17.300 Does that complete your remarks? Remember Davis? 00:48:17.300 --> 00:48:20.409 That's for one item for the for the second item. My 00:48:20.418 --> 00:48:23.500 statement of factual information is that I did not 00:48:23.510 --> 00:48:26.559 take any votes for the Black Rock divestiture. I did 00:48:26.570 --> 00:48:30.228 not receive any information beforehand about the divestiture 00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:33.039 nor did I know about the companies who will be replacing 00:48:33.050 --> 00:48:36.409 Black Rock. So I also want to state that publicly and 00:48:36.418 --> 00:48:45.679 I'm finished. Thank you. Thank you member Davis. 00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:47.739 I'm ready to move on to agenda. Item number two, are 00:48:47.750 --> 00:48:50.840 you all 00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:54.659 Doctor B Meadow? I would like to make a statement of 00:48:54.668 --> 00:49:00.989 fact. Uh regarding the subject of the these two issues 00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:07.269 raised by member Davis, I have received hundreds and 00:49:07.280 --> 00:49:11.989 hundreds and hundreds of emails about these issues 00:49:14.590 --> 00:49:19.750 So I am wondering why we are avoiding these issues 00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:30.938 That's my statement of fact 00:49:30.938 --> 00:49:34.250 agenda item number two, approval of the consent agenda 00:49:35.769 --> 00:49:38.168 The next business in order is the approval of the consent 00:49:38.179 --> 00:49:42.559 agenda. The consent agenda begins on page 21 members 00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:45.829 take a moment to review the items on the consent agenda 00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:52.949 Member Brooks. Thank you, Mr Chairman. Good morning 00:49:53.139 --> 00:49:57.059 I would like to remove, I move to remove item one from 00:49:57.070 --> 00:50:00.219 the consent agenda 00:50:00.219 --> 00:50:03.949 to speak to. 00:50:03.949 --> 00:50:06.699 Ok, we will remove item number one from the consent 00:50:06.708 --> 00:50:10.119 agenda. Just so members are tracking that is on page 00:50:10.128 --> 00:50:14.699 1-1 27 in your board book. Is that, is that all member 00:50:14.708 --> 00:50:17.119 Brooks 00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:21.139 member Perez? Yes. Thank you. Chairman. I'd like to 00:50:21.148 --> 00:50:26.719 remove item number 12 from the consent agenda. 00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:29.010 Item number 12. So I should have stated this earlier 00:50:29.019 --> 00:50:31.679 So item number one, just so just for everybody following 00:50:31.688 --> 00:50:36.269 along at home or in the um in the audience is approval 00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:38.478 of the updates to the Texas state plan for strengthening 00:50:38.489 --> 00:50:42.239 strengthening CTE the Perkins plan that was member 00:50:42.250 --> 00:50:46.978 Brooks's Motion and or request member Perez Diaz request 00:50:46.989 --> 00:50:51.610 is on item number 12 members that's on page 419 and 00:50:51.619 --> 00:50:55.599 that is regarding board of trustees, relationships 00:50:55.610 --> 00:50:58.449 nomination of trustees for military reservation school 00:50:58.458 --> 00:51:04.059 districts and Boys Ranch is 00:51:04.059 --> 00:51:10.458 and then MK for putting clarification. So I um is this 00:51:10.469 --> 00:51:13.228 the point at which I mentioned which? Ok, thank you 00:51:17.489 --> 00:51:40.369 Fantastic. Thank you 00:51:40.369 --> 00:51:44.590 doctor Young. Item number seven. Consideration of proposed 00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:47.619 new innovative course. Please remove it from the consent 00:51:47.628 --> 00:51:50.769 agenda. Item number seven has been requested to be 00:51:50.780 --> 00:51:55.340 pulled from the consent agenda consideration to propose 00:51:55.349 --> 00:51:59.378 new innovative course. I did not have a page number 00:51:59.389 --> 00:52:11.610 prepared for that. 00:52:11.610 --> 00:52:15.860 I'm being told that. It's two Roman numeral 2-1 34 00:52:36.590 --> 00:52:43.750 127 2-1 27. 00:52:43.750 --> 00:52:46.199 There are any further items on the consent agenda. 00:52:46.208 --> 00:52:50.188 Anyone would like to remove. 00:52:50.188 --> 00:52:56.260 Ok. So to recap items 17 and 12 have been removed from 00:52:56.269 --> 00:52:58.648 the consent agenda and they will be considered with 00:52:58.659 --> 00:53:08.898 the other items from their respective committees. 00:53:08.898 --> 00:53:12.760 Ok. Hearing none added to that list, all the other 00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:27.688 items on the consent agenda are adopted. 00:53:27.688 --> 00:53:30.969 Ok. The next item on the agenda is the report of the 00:53:30.978 --> 00:53:33.929 committee of the full board. 00:53:33.929 --> 00:53:36.168 Item. Number three is the update on the instructional 00:53:36.179 --> 00:53:40.039 material review, instructional materials, review and 00:53:40.050 --> 00:53:42.469 approval process. The committee of the full board took 00:53:42.478 --> 00:53:44.659 this item up but had no motions at their meeting and 00:53:44.668 --> 00:53:46.668 the chair has not been informed of any motions for 00:53:46.679 --> 00:53:51.320 consideration today. 00:53:51.320 --> 00:53:54.099 Item number four, 00:53:54.099 --> 00:54:03.398 excuse me, point of question 00:54:03.398 --> 00:54:06.668 member Brooks. 00:54:06.668 --> 00:54:10.639 I just need clarification as to where we are on item 00:54:10.648 --> 00:54:13.898 number three, update on the instructional materials 00:54:13.909 --> 00:54:17.429 review and approval process. Are we not discussing 00:54:17.438 --> 00:54:21.860 this today? Did I miss something 00:54:21.860 --> 00:54:24.958 we discussed the item for four hours and 50 minutes 00:54:24.969 --> 00:54:32.309 on Tuesday. We talked about plans, potential ways we 00:54:32.320 --> 00:54:36.389 can move forward and I summarized that the takeaways 00:54:36.398 --> 00:54:41.208 at the end of that discussion, chairman. 00:54:41.208 --> 00:54:43.829 So there might be a little bit of confusion. Item number 00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:47.309 three is actually the item that Colin presented with 00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:51.869 the updates on them having gone through the right, 00:54:51.878 --> 00:54:55.228 the the rubric and all of that, the other item that 00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:57.989 we spent four hours on was only a discussion item. 00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:02.559 So it is not on today's agenda. So this was when Colin 00:55:02.570 --> 00:55:08.559 presented the um the number of reviewers, how the reviewer 00:55:08.570 --> 00:55:16.030 recruitment had gone and how the the first pass of 00:55:16.039 --> 00:55:21.329 a test run of the quality rubrics had come versus expectations 00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:25.099 So, was that an action item or was that a discussion 00:55:26.750 --> 00:55:30.728 It was an action item but there were no motions. So 00:55:30.739 --> 00:55:33.688 there are times that we will post some of these update 00:55:33.699 --> 00:55:37.760 items in the event that you need or want to take action 00:55:37.769 --> 00:55:40.128 In this case, you didn't take any action and that's 00:55:40.139 --> 00:55:42.760 why you don't see anything on um on the agenda for 00:55:42.769 --> 00:55:49.228 today. 00:55:49.228 --> 00:55:52.469 Do you have anything else member Brooks? Thank you 00:55:53.030 --> 00:55:54.889 Adam. 00:55:54.889 --> 00:55:58.349 Um members, I just would like to explain some of the 00:55:58.360 --> 00:56:02.110 uh some of the advice I have provided on on Tuesday 00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:04.789 with regard to the methodology that could impact your 00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:10.429 future decisions on this. Um The education code prohibits 00:56:10.438 --> 00:56:14.188 the board from designating from adopting rules that 00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:17.449 designate a methodology or time spent on task by a 00:56:17.458 --> 00:56:21.469 teacher or student. Normally that is what we we think 00:56:21.478 --> 00:56:24.418 of and when you're developing curriculum. Uh And I 00:56:24.429 --> 00:56:27.429 think in when I talked about that I might have confused 00:56:27.438 --> 00:56:30.179 some things with your discussion on instructional materials 00:56:30.188 --> 00:56:32.389 and the adoption of the rubrics and that type of stuff 00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:36.458 the the risk of running afoul of this pro prohibition 00:56:36.469 --> 00:56:39.139 in your discussion on instructional materials drops 00:56:39.148 --> 00:56:43.128 significantly because um in most part, you're reviewing 00:56:43.139 --> 00:56:45.418 not adopting rules, although there are some rules and 00:56:45.429 --> 00:56:48.119 you're not designating the methodology or time on task 00:56:48.128 --> 00:56:51.958 you're reviewing um instructional materials that have 00:56:51.969 --> 00:56:55.418 put been put together by uh other, other entities. 00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:59.590 And um ultimately, in the instruction materials, uh 00:56:59.599 --> 00:57:02.389 whether you approve them or not, school districts are 00:57:02.398 --> 00:57:05.639 not compelled um to use those instructional materials 00:57:05.648 --> 00:57:11.539 So um in that context, um the, the, the likelihood 00:57:11.550 --> 00:57:13.849 that you would run afoul of this drop significantly 00:57:13.860 --> 00:57:16.438 I won't say it's zero because you never know how things 00:57:16.449 --> 00:57:19.079 can work. And I'm a lawyer and don't give absolutes 00:57:19.090 --> 00:57:22.659 but I did want to clarify that um because I had received 00:57:22.668 --> 00:57:26.010 some questions about that after making that uh those 00:57:26.019 --> 00:57:34.780 comments. Thanks. 00:57:34.780 --> 00:57:37.139 OK. I'm gonna try for the third time to move to item 00:57:37.148 --> 00:57:40.780 four. 00:57:40.780 --> 00:57:46.349 OK. Item number four is the proposed Teaks ag food 00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:51.500 natural Resources, technology, math, math, engineering 00:57:51.510 --> 00:57:55.418 mathematics and transportation, distribution and logistics 00:57:55.429 --> 00:57:58.840 Second reading. Final adoption, 00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:01.208 Mr Chair, the committee of the full board recommends 00:58:01.219 --> 00:58:04.079 to the State Board of Education that they approve for 00:58:04.090 --> 00:58:07.208 second reading and final adoption proposed new 19 T 00:58:07.219 --> 00:58:11.760 AC chapter 127 Texas, essential knowledge and skills 00:58:11.769 --> 00:58:15.179 and career development and career, technical education 00:58:15.188 --> 00:58:19.510 subchapter C agriculture, food and natural Resources 00:58:19.530 --> 00:58:28.250 Section 1 27.30. Section 1 27.45 through 1 27.58 section 00:58:28.260 --> 00:58:35.579 127.86 and 127.87. Subchapter O Science Technology 00:58:35.590 --> 00:58:41.309 Engineering and mathematics section 127.795 and section 00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:46.619 127.796 and subchapter P transportation distribution 00:58:46.628 --> 00:58:53.329 and logistics sections 127.887 through section 127.890 00:58:53.570 --> 00:58:58.889 and 127.90. As amended and make an affirmative finding 00:58:59.639 --> 00:59:03.708 that immediate adoption of the proposed above courses 00:59:04.030 --> 00:59:08.079 is necessary and shall have an effective date of 20 00:59:08.090 --> 00:59:12.329 days after filing with the Texas register as a note 00:59:12.340 --> 00:59:14.840 a vote of two thirds of the members of the board is 00:59:14.849 --> 00:59:19.590 necessary for an earlier effective date. 00:59:19.590 --> 00:59:21.329 Ok. Members, you have heard the motion which comes 00:59:21.340 --> 00:59:23.719 from a committee and needs no second mister Chamber 00:59:23.898 --> 00:59:27.869 mayor, I move to suspend the operating rules for the 00:59:27.878 --> 00:59:32.159 purpose of making a, an amendment to the tis second 00:59:32.168 --> 00:59:55.809 reading. 00:59:55.809 --> 00:59:57.989 All right. So Mister Chairman. 00:59:58.739 --> 01:00:03.607 You do have a rule that says that for amendments to 01:00:03.618 --> 01:00:06.918 be considered for second reading, final adoption, they 01:00:06.928 --> 01:00:10.887 shall be submitted in writing to staff no later than 01:00:10.898 --> 01:00:14.859 noon on the day prior to the final vote on the adoption 01:00:14.868 --> 01:00:19.377 of the takes. However, this rule provides for its own 01:00:19.388 --> 01:00:22.568 suspension and says that it may be suspended by a two 01:00:22.578 --> 01:00:26.679 thirds vote. Motions to suspend the rules traditionally 01:00:26.688 --> 01:00:30.268 require take no debate. And so you would just immediately 01:00:30.278 --> 01:00:34.087 go to a vote to see if there's a two thirds vote 01:00:34.208 --> 01:00:37.198 to suspend the rules for this one amendment, which 01:00:37.208 --> 01:00:40.489 I do best. Thank you, Kate. I asked Kate to read the 01:00:40.498 --> 01:00:42.948 rule so that everybody knows what the motion is. So 01:00:42.958 --> 01:00:45.739 we have a motion. Do we have a second? The motion is 01:00:45.748 --> 01:00:49.678 second, there's no debate. So we're going to go straight 01:00:49.689 --> 01:00:52.928 to what is your point of information? Maybe this is 01:00:52.939 --> 01:00:55.229 covered by the node debate part. Can I ask what the 01:00:55.239 --> 01:00:59.268 motion is, uh what he wants to amend before I decide 01:00:59.278 --> 01:01:01.907 if I want it would be in the node debate part? OK 01:01:02.859 --> 01:01:06.969 Or you could go ask him 01:01:06.969 --> 01:01:09.407 it's uh take what's behind door number one or door 01:01:09.419 --> 01:01:11.859 number two, 01:01:11.859 --> 01:01:16.058 trust me, but she can still defend it with just inventory 01:01:17.127 --> 01:01:20.779 Just doesn't want 01:01:20.779 --> 01:01:25.489 no, no. Well, yes. But also the so the first vote would 01:01:25.499 --> 01:01:28.127 be to suspend the rules. If the rules are successfully 01:01:28.139 --> 01:01:31.198 suspended for this item, then the amendment will be 01:01:31.208 --> 01:01:34.219 offered 01:01:34.219 --> 01:01:37.898 you ready to vote all those in favor of suspending 01:01:37.907 --> 01:01:41.338 the rules to allow this amendment. Second reading, 01:01:41.348 --> 01:01:58.937 please show by raising your hand. 01:01:58.937 --> 01:02:02.639 Ok, thank you. All any opposed. Please raise your hand 01:02:03.157 --> 01:02:07.747 See known as 12 0. The rules will be suspended to allow 01:02:07.759 --> 01:02:13.438 an amendment A no on second reading. 01:02:13.438 --> 01:02:19.539 Mister Chairman, the uh the amendment and the uh 01:02:19.539 --> 01:02:24.277 student expectation that we're amending is, is on 1-19 01:02:24.289 --> 01:02:28.009 and it will be AAA conforming amendment to address 01:02:28.017 --> 01:02:33.267 all all similar amendments in subsequent courses in 01:02:33.277 --> 01:02:40.688 in D one E. We will amend it to where it reads 01:02:40.699 --> 01:02:44.489 as follows. Demonstrate, describe and demonstrate characteristics 01:02:44.497 --> 01:02:50.718 of good citizenship in the agricultural workplace such 01:02:50.729 --> 01:02:55.239 as promoting stewardship, community leadership, civic 01:02:55.247 --> 01:03:00.168 engagement, agricultural awareness and agricultural 01:03:00.178 --> 01:03:05.259 awareness and literacy. 01:03:05.259 --> 01:03:17.077 Parliamentary inquiry. 01:03:17.077 --> 01:03:19.708 State your point of parliamentary inquiry. The parliamentarian 01:03:19.718 --> 01:03:22.388 is the red, what we did previously or is the red mister 01:03:22.398 --> 01:03:26.378 Maynard's amendment? The red is Mister Maynard's amendment 01:03:26.569 --> 01:03:30.158 That's not from earlier in the week. Correct. I believe 01:03:30.168 --> 01:03:32.838 a similar amendment was proposed earlier in the week 01:03:32.849 --> 01:03:39.908 and defeated at the committee. Is that correct? 01:03:39.908 --> 01:03:45.229 It was withdrawn 01:03:45.229 --> 01:03:50.319 the remainder. So uh this was this was a little bit 01:03:50.327 --> 01:03:53.497 of a, of a clean up and, and I would always just 01:03:53.509 --> 01:03:57.517 um hasten a is, is that remember when, whenever we 01:03:57.527 --> 01:04:00.178 do we do tis is, is that you, you remember who the 01:04:00.188 --> 01:04:02.547 audience is, is that, you know, students don't typically 01:04:02.558 --> 01:04:04.648 see this, this, this is, this is teachers, these are 01:04:04.658 --> 01:04:07.308 these are curriculum writers and, and, and such. And 01:04:07.319 --> 01:04:10.408 so really what we're talking about here and of course 01:04:10.418 --> 01:04:13.208 you know, teachers of agriculture, when they read this 01:04:13.218 --> 01:04:17.649 they know exactly what this means. OK. And so, uh and 01:04:17.659 --> 01:04:21.298 I think it's, I understand that and agriculture is 01:04:21.308 --> 01:04:23.798 a little bit unique from the standpoint that when, 01:04:23.808 --> 01:04:27.008 when you, when you engage in the agricultural industry 01:04:27.017 --> 01:04:30.417 you sort of join the agricultural community and, and 01:04:30.428 --> 01:04:33.489 there is a citizenship to that and, and a lot of that 01:04:33.498 --> 01:04:36.818 it's expressed, you know, in, in, in the form of, you 01:04:36.827 --> 01:04:39.037 know, you know, most people in agriculture, they, that 01:04:39.048 --> 01:04:41.767 they belong to, to organizations that represent different 01:04:41.779 --> 01:04:45.037 facets of agriculture, 01:04:45.037 --> 01:04:47.959 you know, and, and so, so there is this, this issue 01:04:47.969 --> 01:04:52.477 of, of, of being prepared to engage in that type of 01:04:52.489 --> 01:04:56.767 type of citizenship. And so, you know, when we talk 01:04:56.779 --> 01:04:59.409 about, you know, the, the, the the stewardship, we're 01:04:59.417 --> 01:05:01.678 talking about, you know, your stewarding organization 01:05:01.688 --> 01:05:05.347 stewarding a, a profession, stewarding resources, um 01:05:05.358 --> 01:05:09.048 you know, community leadership, you know, that and 01:05:09.058 --> 01:05:12.089 particularly in rural communities is that, you know 01:05:12.097 --> 01:05:14.489 that if, if if a young person, when they step into 01:05:14.498 --> 01:05:17.108 that profession, are they, are they prepared to, to 01:05:17.118 --> 01:05:19.739 to sit on the co op board? You know, do they understand 01:05:19.748 --> 01:05:21.638 you know, parliament procedure? They know how to serve 01:05:21.649 --> 01:05:24.258 on a committee? You know, you know, maybe they, they 01:05:24.267 --> 01:05:27.438 run for the school board. Um, the civic engagement 01:05:27.448 --> 01:05:29.589 piece, you know, for example, you know, my, uh, my 01:05:29.659 --> 01:05:33.667 brother-in-law, you know, your jury sits on the electric 01:05:33.678 --> 01:05:37.097 co op board and, and so the, the electric co op board 01:05:37.108 --> 01:05:39.008 you know, every time the legislature is in session 01:05:39.017 --> 01:05:42.888 they come and talk to the legislature about rural issues 01:05:42.899 --> 01:05:46.998 uh or, or, or uh related to electric Co ops. Uh There's 01:05:47.008 --> 01:05:49.787 a lot of rural issues related to health, to health 01:05:49.798 --> 01:05:53.318 care uh that are very serious issues. And, and so, 01:05:53.568 --> 01:05:57.748 um and the uh the agricultural awareness and literacy 01:05:57.758 --> 01:06:01.239 of course, you know, the people in agriculture, uh 01:06:01.248 --> 01:06:03.989 you know, we are a minority and uh uh we are a 01:06:03.998 --> 01:06:07.077 very small minority but, but we uh the work that we 01:06:07.089 --> 01:06:10.517 do in terms of uh you know, feeding this country and 01:06:10.529 --> 01:06:13.748 and, and helping to offset the trade deficit actually 01:06:13.977 --> 01:06:17.108 uh is, is very, very important and, and we have very 01:06:17.118 --> 01:06:20.358 unique needs. And so, uh this is a, this is a conforming 01:06:20.368 --> 01:06:23.558 amendment and would uh move forward. And by the way 01:06:23.568 --> 01:06:25.878 this is that it's my understanding that the work groups 01:06:25.888 --> 01:06:28.878 intended to make that a conforming amendment but it 01:06:28.888 --> 01:06:31.388 didn't get, get changed properly in, in some of the 01:06:31.399 --> 01:06:34.808 subsequent courses. And so, and, and by the way, just 01:06:34.818 --> 01:06:37.258 so, you know, I don't, to my knowledge, this doesn't 01:06:37.267 --> 01:06:42.138 really add, I mean, it, it clarifies the student expectation 01:06:42.149 --> 01:06:45.128 but it does not really add instructional time. The 01:06:45.138 --> 01:06:48.118 whole idea behind the amendment that requires us to 01:06:48.128 --> 01:06:52.077 do this suspending of the rules. Uh what was created 01:06:52.089 --> 01:06:55.279 to slow down the, the adding of instructional time 01:06:55.318 --> 01:06:57.498 at the 11th hour is really what that, that was really 01:06:57.508 --> 01:07:02.258 all about. So, uh and that concludes my remarks. 01:07:02.258 --> 01:07:05.159 Thank you, Mayor Mayer. I uh I think we're still waiting 01:07:05.167 --> 01:07:09.529 for a second. Ok. We have a motion in a second. Is 01:07:09.537 --> 01:07:12.558 there any further discussion, 01:07:12.558 --> 01:07:17.388 Dr Yang? Um I, I'm going to vote for this as much 01:07:17.399 --> 01:07:19.909 as it gives me heartburn to vote for something that 01:07:19.917 --> 01:07:24.219 says such as and not including I just wanted to share 01:07:24.227 --> 01:07:32.909 that. 01:07:32.909 --> 01:07:36.909 Would you like to make an amendment? Ok. Is there any 01:07:36.917 --> 01:07:44.659 further discussion? 01:07:44.659 --> 01:07:52.399 Remember little, could we make it including, 01:07:52.399 --> 01:07:55.779 is that a motion? It's a question to the maker of the 01:07:55.787 --> 01:07:59.568 motion mister chairman. May I may I would it be ok 01:07:59.577 --> 01:08:02.977 if I if I modified my, my amendment to say including 01:08:04.128 --> 01:08:07.548 is there any objection to member Maynard modifying 01:08:07.558 --> 01:08:11.188 his amendment to replace, such as with the word including 01:08:11.917 --> 01:08:18.118 no, II, I have a question is based on, is this an 01:08:18.128 --> 01:08:22.888 objection to him changing that? No II, I guess it's 01:08:22.977 --> 01:08:27.948 a inquiry point of inquiry on this. 01:08:27.948 --> 01:08:31.739 I thought that we, so this is not a star tested course 01:08:31.748 --> 01:08:34.397 I thought that the problem with such as and including 01:08:34.527 --> 01:08:36.958 was that we didn't know what would actually be tested 01:08:36.968 --> 01:08:39.797 So I guess I'm just trying to figure out what difference 01:08:39.809 --> 01:08:42.787 it would make for such as and including in this situation 01:08:43.848 --> 01:08:50.088 Very good members that this wouldn't be as I understand 01:08:50.098 --> 01:08:53.998 it. This is not a star tested course. So I don't think 01:08:54.008 --> 01:08:56.689 we run into problem there like we would with the courses 01:08:56.699 --> 01:09:00.189 that do have a star test. 01:09:00.189 --> 01:09:03.478 Of course, history. 01:09:03.478 --> 01:09:07.718 Would you still like to? I think that I will tell you 01:09:07.728 --> 01:09:11.667 that. I think we can make it including, I think that 01:09:11.679 --> 01:09:15.287 would be appropriate. It's probably not going to change 01:09:15.297 --> 01:09:17.618 much because, because our teachers are already doing 01:09:17.628 --> 01:09:20.059 all these things anyway, you know, but, but this, this 01:09:20.069 --> 01:09:22.728 this directs them to, to, to do that. And so I think 01:09:22.739 --> 01:09:25.838 it would be appropriate to, to make that including 01:09:28.838 --> 01:09:33.458 is there any objection to member Maynard's modification 01:09:33.468 --> 01:09:36.679 of his amendment to say, including a citizen such as 01:09:37.478 --> 01:09:41.088 conceding no objection. The amendment has been modified 01:09:41.098 --> 01:09:44.579 We're back to the amendment. Member Maynard has offered 01:09:44.588 --> 01:09:48.569 Is there any further discussion on the amendment? 01:09:48.569 --> 01:09:51.537 Are you ready to vote? All those in favor of member 01:09:51.547 --> 01:09:54.939 Maynard's amendment? Please show by raising your hand 01:09:55.968 --> 01:10:07.147 Yeah, 01:10:07.147 --> 01:10:12.228 remember childs is your hand up? 01:10:12.228 --> 01:10:16.819 Ok. 12. All those opposed to member Maynard's amendment 01:10:16.829 --> 01:10:21.758 Please show by raising your hand 01:10:21.758 --> 01:10:25.368 is your hand up now? Member child. 01:10:25.368 --> 01:10:30.287 I'll be abstaining chairman. Ok, 01:10:30.287 --> 01:10:35.907 the 12 to 0, the amendment passes were back to the 01:10:35.917 --> 01:10:43.638 main motion as offered by member little. 01:10:43.638 --> 01:10:45.949 Is there any further discussion on the main motion 01:10:49.949 --> 01:10:52.518 Ok. Once again, in order for immediate adoption, we 01:10:52.527 --> 01:10:55.449 need two thirds vote here. Are you all ready to vote 01:10:57.569 --> 01:11:01.397 Ok. All those in favor of the motion, please show by 01:11:01.407 --> 01:11:11.449 raising your hand 01:11:11.449 --> 01:11:14.768 13. Thank you. All those opposed. Raise your hand. 01:11:15.348 --> 01:11:27.338 0 13, 0. The motion passes. 01:11:27.338 --> 01:11:30.248 Item number five is the proposed amendments to 19 tac 01:11:30.258 --> 01:11:34.508 Chapter 74 curriculum requirements. Subchapter B graduation 01:11:34.518 --> 01:11:36.949 requirements, first reading and filing authorization 01:11:37.838 --> 01:11:41.037 in Little Mr Chair, the committee of the full board 01:11:41.047 --> 01:11:43.468 recommends to the state Board of Education that they 01:11:43.478 --> 01:11:46.157 approve for first reading and filing authorization 01:11:46.167 --> 01:11:50.758 proposed amendments to 19 T AC Chapter 74 curriculum 01:11:50.768 --> 01:11:54.157 requirements, subchapter B graduation requirements 01:11:54.319 --> 01:11:58.277 Section 74.11 high school graduation requirements. 01:11:59.098 --> 01:12:03.338 Section 74.12 foundation high school program and section 01:12:03.348 --> 01:12:09.508 74.13 endorsements. As amended a point of inquiry, 01:12:09.518 --> 01:12:14.189 please. What is your point of inquiry? So I have a 01:12:14.199 --> 01:12:18.618 question about this item after we, is this a parliamentary 01:12:18.628 --> 01:12:21.297 inquiry or point of information point is the point 01:12:21.309 --> 01:12:24.998 of information related to the motion. The motion itself 01:12:25.718 --> 01:12:29.258 just for the topic topic. Ok. There'll be a moment 01:12:29.268 --> 01:12:31.628 for that. In just a second, please. Thank you. Ok. 01:12:31.758 --> 01:12:33.559 You heard the motion which comes from a committee needs 01:12:33.569 --> 01:12:38.537 no second. Is there any debate on the pending motion 01:12:38.758 --> 01:12:41.527 member Brooks? 01:12:41.527 --> 01:12:44.208 Thank you, Mr Chairman. I just have a question for 01:12:44.218 --> 01:12:50.287 te A uh concerning this item. So in our board books 01:12:50.297 --> 01:12:54.189 on, on page 158 01:12:54.189 --> 01:13:01.449 online I 121. Good morning, Miss Ramos. Ok. Um, my 01:13:01.458 --> 01:13:06.588 question is, so for item F, um, could you just explain 01:13:06.598 --> 01:13:09.569 how this would affect students who would like to earn 01:13:09.579 --> 01:13:14.449 all of their credit for lifetime fitness and recreation 01:13:14.679 --> 01:13:17.147 for drill, team, marching band and cheerleading. Would 01:13:17.157 --> 01:13:21.708 they be able to receive credit if they choose to, um 01:13:21.718 --> 01:13:25.728 uh, serve and participate in these activities for four 01:13:25.739 --> 01:13:31.128 years of their high school career? So, um, the board's 01:13:31.138 --> 01:13:34.489 rules related to, um, drill team, marching band and 01:13:34.498 --> 01:13:39.748 cheerleading allow students to use that those activities 01:13:39.907 --> 01:13:45.167 to satisfy their one credit, um, in physical education 01:13:45.179 --> 01:13:47.579 So, in pe, so it's a, it's what we call a pe 01:13:47.588 --> 01:13:51.579 substitution credit. Um, if they obviously students 01:13:51.588 --> 01:13:55.088 go beyond that and take multiple years, uh, it participate 01:13:55.098 --> 01:13:58.667 for multiple years in those activities. Um, there are 01:13:58.949 --> 01:14:01.468 different ways that different districts have it set 01:14:01.478 --> 01:14:05.108 up. So, for example, oftentimes marching band might 01:14:05.118 --> 01:14:08.787 be part of, um, the fine arts curriculum. So it might 01:14:08.797 --> 01:14:12.268 be, um, band one through four and they would earn credit 01:14:12.498 --> 01:14:17.929 in those courses, um, or perhaps dance one through 01:14:17.939 --> 01:14:22.608 four. or it could be a local credit or cheerleading 01:14:22.618 --> 01:14:26.358 same thing with cheerleading. Um, yeah, there is, I'm 01:14:26.368 --> 01:14:30.297 not really up to date on that and how they would if 01:14:30.309 --> 01:14:33.037 there are actually, I don't believe there are t space 01:14:33.047 --> 01:14:35.848 courses with the exception of pe that might set the 01:14:35.858 --> 01:14:39.258 actual physical education courses. Ok. My question 01:14:39.268 --> 01:14:42.098 too. Thank you for that. It says on f credit may not 01:14:42.108 --> 01:14:46.268 be earned more than once for the course identified 01:14:46.277 --> 01:14:51.489 in subparagraph A I and three of this paragraph, credit 01:14:51.498 --> 01:14:55.128 may not be earned more than twice for the course identified 01:14:55.287 --> 01:14:59.277 in subparagraph A two of this paragraph. So this is 01:14:59.287 --> 01:15:02.559 all new. Could you just correct as it's underlined 01:15:02.569 --> 01:15:05.848 Could you just give me a scenario of how this will 01:15:05.858 --> 01:15:11.147 change from what is currently, how it's currently set 01:15:11.157 --> 01:15:16.199 up? So in practice, there wouldn't be a change students 01:15:16.208 --> 01:15:21.037 um under your old physical education courses, uh which 01:15:21.047 --> 01:15:29.417 were revised in 2020 or 2021. Um uh There were, and 01:15:29.569 --> 01:15:31.797 there were opportunities for students to earn up to 01:15:31.809 --> 01:15:36.179 four credits in physical edu in, in your teach spaces 01:15:36.189 --> 01:15:40.588 physical education courses. Um So now that there are 01:15:40.598 --> 01:15:45.667 only uh three credits in high school physical education 01:15:45.968 --> 01:15:50.439 um there was a desire for folks to still to make that 01:15:50.449 --> 01:15:53.397 consistent so that students can still earn up to four 01:15:53.407 --> 01:15:57.417 credits in physical education. In addition to that 01:15:57.429 --> 01:16:00.138 your work group that worked on those high school physical 01:16:00.147 --> 01:16:03.768 education courses, um, felt strongly that students 01:16:03.777 --> 01:16:07.018 should be allowed to take lifetime recreation and outdoor 01:16:07.027 --> 01:16:11.189 pursuits. Uh, more than once if they were participating 01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:15.657 in a different pursuit. So, if they were doing golf 01:16:15.699 --> 01:16:19.378 um, in one course and then the next course they did 01:16:19.388 --> 01:16:23.179 you know, um, outdoor ed, hiking and camping or something 01:16:23.189 --> 01:16:26.897 along those lines. And these are half credit courses 01:16:26.907 --> 01:16:29.138 They are one credit course, one credit. So it's the 01:16:29.147 --> 01:16:33.628 entire and it doesn't deal with time anymore. Can you 01:16:33.647 --> 01:16:48.929 crack? Thank you very much 01:16:48.929 --> 01:16:57.027 member Brooks. Do you have anything further? 01:16:57.027 --> 01:17:02.317 Ok. Is there any further debate 01:17:02.317 --> 01:17:05.419 ready to vote? 01:17:05.419 --> 01:17:09.489 Ok. All those in favor, please show by raising your 01:17:09.498 --> 01:17:23.468 hand. 01:17:23.468 --> 01:17:27.178 Chen. Thank you. All those opposed. Please show by 01:17:27.188 --> 01:17:33.448 raising your hand 01:17:33.448 --> 01:17:40.008 one, the motion passes 10 to 1. 01:17:40.008 --> 01:17:44.409 Ok. The next item that we need to take up is item 01:17:44.419 --> 01:17:47.827 one that was pulled from the consent agenda that was 01:17:47.837 --> 01:17:55.218 pulled 01:17:55.218 --> 01:17:58.909 on the bottom of the. Ok. That was the approval of 01:17:58.919 --> 01:18:01.837 proposed updates to the Texas State plan for Strengthening 01:18:02.018 --> 01:18:04.538 career and technical education for the 21st century 01:18:04.548 --> 01:18:09.337 act. The Perkins 01:18:09.337 --> 01:18:12.369 Mr chair, the committee of the full board recommends 01:18:12.379 --> 01:18:14.968 that the state Board of Education approve updates to 01:18:14.978 --> 01:18:18.659 the Texas State plan for strengthening career and technology 01:18:19.159 --> 01:18:24.248 technical education for the 21st century uh Perkins 01:18:24.258 --> 01:18:32.758 five. 01:18:32.758 --> 01:18:36.087 Thank you member Little Mr Chairman point of question 01:18:37.567 --> 01:18:40.619 Just one minute, please. Ok, you've heard the motion 01:18:40.629 --> 01:18:45.169 which comes from a committee needs. No second. 01:18:45.169 --> 01:18:48.669 Is there any debate? Yes, member Brooks. Thank you 01:18:49.369 --> 01:18:57.337 So for this, I wanted to just simply state my uh desire 01:18:57.347 --> 01:19:02.097 to vote no, for this. And the federal government through 01:19:02.107 --> 01:19:07.619 funding um, has changed the purpose for education. 01:19:07.629 --> 01:19:10.538 It's more workforce driven in my opinion, rather than 01:19:10.548 --> 01:19:14.778 academic driven. This week, I've heard a lot of discussion 01:19:14.788 --> 01:19:20.038 on CTE courses and, and less discussion on, on academic 01:19:20.048 --> 01:19:23.409 excellence and driving the purpose for education, which 01:19:23.419 --> 01:19:26.389 is to ensure that our high schoolers graduate with 01:19:26.399 --> 01:19:30.768 a firm foundation in English, math, science, and social 01:19:30.778 --> 01:19:33.798 studies. So for that reason, I will vote no on this 01:19:33.807 --> 01:19:37.817 item. Thank you. 01:19:37.817 --> 01:19:41.597 Is there any further debate 01:19:41.597 --> 01:19:44.357 ready to vote 01:19:44.357 --> 01:19:46.938 all those in favor? Please show by raising your hand 01:19:56.218 --> 01:19:58.768 11. Thank you. All those opposed. Please show it by 01:19:58.778 --> 01:20:06.248 raising your hand 111, 1, the motion passes. 01:20:06.248 --> 01:20:09.188 Ok. Members moving on to the Committee of Instruction 01:20:09.978 --> 01:20:13.837 The next item is the report of the committee on instruction 01:20:14.827 --> 01:20:19.248 Item. Number six is proposed amendment to 19 T A chapter 01:20:19.518 --> 01:20:22.958 74 curriculum requirements, subchapter C other provisions 01:20:22.968 --> 01:20:26.607 7428 students with dyslexia and related disorders. 01:20:26.619 --> 01:20:30.639 Second reading and final adoption. It's agenda. Exhibit 01:20:30.778 --> 01:20:36.538 Roman numeral 2-1 Doctor Young. Thank you. Chair the 01:20:36.548 --> 01:20:39.218 Committee on instruction recommends the State Board 01:20:39.228 --> 01:20:42.419 of Education that they approve for second reading and 01:20:42.428 --> 01:20:46.928 final adoption. The proposed amendment to 19 T AC Chapter 01:20:46.938 --> 01:20:51.889 74 curriculum requirements subchapter C other provisions 01:20:51.899 --> 01:20:56.419 Section 74.28 students with dyslexia and related disorders 01:20:56.428 --> 01:21:00.208 and make an affirmative finding that immediate adoption 01:21:00.218 --> 01:21:04.688 of 19 T AC Chapter 74 curriculum requirements, subchapter 01:21:04.698 --> 01:21:09.498 c other provisions. Section 74.28 students with dyslexia 01:21:09.567 --> 01:21:13.428 related disorders is necessary and she'll have an effective 01:21:13.438 --> 01:21:16.619 date of 20 days after filing with the Texas register 01:21:19.097 --> 01:21:21.758 Thank you, Doctor Young. You've heard the motion which 01:21:21.768 --> 01:21:24.347 comes from a committee needs no second. This motion 01:21:24.357 --> 01:21:26.357 is presented for second reading and final adoption 01:21:26.369 --> 01:21:29.399 by our rules. Any proposed amendments had to be presented 01:21:29.409 --> 01:21:34.778 to staff by noon yesterday. There were no amendments 01:21:34.837 --> 01:21:39.438 that I've been told about as a reminder, a vote of 01:21:39.448 --> 01:21:41.597 two thirds of the members of the board is necessary 01:21:41.607 --> 01:21:46.129 for the the earlier effective date. 01:21:46.129 --> 01:21:51.857 Ok. Is there any debate on this item? 01:21:51.857 --> 01:21:55.899 Read a vote? All those in favor, please show by raising 01:21:55.909 --> 01:22:07.619 your hand 01:22:07.619 --> 01:22:10.698 11. Thank you. All those opposed. Please show by raising 01:22:10.708 --> 01:22:15.708 your hand. 01:22:15.708 --> 01:22:22.978 0 11, 0. The motion passes. 01:22:22.978 --> 01:22:25.788 Item number seven is the proposed revision to 19 T 01:22:25.807 --> 01:22:29.357 ac chapter 89 adaptations for special populations, 01:22:29.369 --> 01:22:32.768 subchapter, a gifted and talented education first reading 01:22:32.778 --> 01:22:38.399 and filing authorization agenda. Exhibit 1-132 Doctor 01:22:38.409 --> 01:22:42.728 Young. Um Can, can we go back to the previous to the 01:22:42.739 --> 01:22:46.129 dyslexic handbook? We actually have um, the committee 01:22:46.139 --> 01:22:49.169 on instruction recommends to the State Board of Education 01:22:49.178 --> 01:22:52.899 A, a second motion related to a recommendation for 01:22:52.909 --> 01:22:56.119 that item. Is there any objection to going backwards 01:22:56.678 --> 01:22:58.478 Ok. We'll go back and clean that up. Thank you, doctor 01:22:58.728 --> 01:23:03.107 Thank you. Um We would like um to permit te a staff 01:23:03.119 --> 01:23:06.268 to make non substantive technical edits to dyslexia 01:23:06.327 --> 01:23:10.419 handbook. Um for example, um at the recommendation 01:23:10.428 --> 01:23:14.169 of member Davis, which is an excellent recommend. If 01:23:14.288 --> 01:23:17.357 it's a bullet point, it actually is assigned a letter 01:23:17.369 --> 01:23:20.659 or a number. So you could refer to it as for example 01:23:20.669 --> 01:23:25.607 four A or four B or four C and so it removes 01:23:25.619 --> 01:23:28.739 the bullet points and, and gives it an extra, an accurate 01:23:28.748 --> 01:23:34.198 place to look. 01:23:34.198 --> 01:23:39.518 That's my motion to permit T A staff to make noss technical 01:23:39.528 --> 01:23:42.288 edits to the dyslexia handbook. Ok. You've heard the 01:23:42.298 --> 01:23:44.489 motion which comes from a committee needs no second 01:23:44.688 --> 01:23:49.847 Is there any further debate on the pending motion 01:23:49.847 --> 01:23:52.938 ready to vote? All those in favor? Please show by raising 01:23:52.948 --> 01:24:03.639 your hand 01:24:03.639 --> 01:24:06.518 11. Thank you. All those opposed. Please show by raising 01:24:06.528 --> 01:24:09.399 your hand. 01:24:09.399 --> 01:24:17.409 0 11 0. The motion is adopted. Ok. Now we're on to 01:24:17.419 --> 01:24:21.899 item seven, the proposed revisions to 19 T AC GT as 01:24:21.909 --> 01:24:26.899 I just read them. It's I dash 132 on your agenda. Exhibit 01:24:27.129 --> 01:24:30.077 doctor Y, the committee on instruction recommends the 01:24:30.087 --> 01:24:32.807 State Board of Education that they approve for first 01:24:32.817 --> 01:24:36.288 reading and filing authorization proposed revisions 01:24:36.528 --> 01:24:41.837 to 19 T AC Chapter 89 adaptations for special populations 01:24:41.847 --> 01:24:46.587 subchapter, a gifted talented education as substituted 01:24:46.597 --> 01:24:51.149 Um You see attachment. B 01:24:51.149 --> 01:24:53.107 ok. You've heard the motion which comes from a committee 01:24:53.119 --> 01:24:55.178 needs no second. Is there any debate on the pending 01:24:55.188 --> 01:24:58.298 motion? 01:24:58.298 --> 01:25:02.239 Right about all those in favor, please show by raising 01:25:02.248 --> 01:25:14.899 your hand 01:25:14.899 --> 01:25:17.448 11. Thank you. 01:25:17.448 --> 01:25:19.659 All those opposed, please show by raising your hand 01:25:22.489 --> 01:25:35.087 Zero 11 0 is adopted. 01:25:35.087 --> 01:25:39.629 Ok. The next item of business is item number seven 01:25:39.639 --> 01:25:42.989 from the consent agenda and that is consideration of 01:25:42.998 --> 01:25:48.347 proposed new innovative course and it is on page Roman 01:25:48.357 --> 01:25:55.248 numeral 2-1 27. 01:25:55.248 --> 01:25:59.357 Y Yes, we've asked to withdraw this from the consent 01:25:59.369 --> 01:26:02.508 agenda. We are going to be reconsidering it at our 01:26:02.577 --> 01:26:12.798 June meeting. 01:26:12.798 --> 01:26:17.869 So we, we do not want to vote on it today. 01:26:17.869 --> 01:26:24.597 She was just asked to work. 01:26:24.597 --> 01:26:26.847 Doctor Young is asking to withdraw it. I'm gonna come 01:26:26.857 --> 01:26:31.909 to member Davis real quick, Davis. I actually um have 01:26:31.919 --> 01:26:36.817 a suggestion to um delay the reading and because no 01:26:36.827 --> 01:26:40.357 one from the committee asked for any type of access 01:26:40.369 --> 01:26:44.048 to any of the instructional materials. And as you know 01:26:44.057 --> 01:26:46.837 we've been, well, particular members have been asking 01:26:46.847 --> 01:26:49.478 for a lot of resources for the Native American studies 01:26:49.489 --> 01:26:52.577 but nobody asked for any instructional materials for 01:26:52.587 --> 01:26:55.567 this course in particular. So I've asked that we have 01:26:55.577 --> 01:26:57.778 more time since it's important to look at instructional 01:26:57.788 --> 01:27:02.508 materials that my colleagues actually do. 01:27:02.508 --> 01:27:07.018 That you. Yes, that is correct. Um The receipt of the 01:27:07.028 --> 01:27:11.337 instructional materials for this um was not um available 01:27:11.347 --> 01:27:14.218 to us in a timely manner in addition to being able 01:27:14.228 --> 01:27:17.688 to do um the amount of work that we've been doing as 01:27:17.698 --> 01:27:20.419 well as on the gifted and talented State plan and the 01:27:20.748 --> 01:27:24.097 Dyle the dyslexia handbook. So member Davis is correct 01:27:24.107 --> 01:27:27.919 we did not have take the time yet to look at those 01:27:27.928 --> 01:27:30.577 instructional materials that have been provided to 01:27:30.587 --> 01:27:35.708 us in uh for this innovative course. So with her recommendation 01:27:35.718 --> 01:27:39.448 um we would like to postpone the vote on this to the 01:27:39.458 --> 01:27:49.278 June agenda. 01:27:49.278 --> 01:27:53.688 Is there any further discussion? Is there any objection 01:27:53.698 --> 01:27:58.228 to withdrawing it from further consideration? 01:27:58.228 --> 01:28:03.629 Seeing no objection that has been withdrawn? 01:28:03.629 --> 01:28:07.728 I would like to share that. Um Coming in, June is um 01:28:07.739 --> 01:28:11.048 the Gifted and Talented State plan update. It has not 01:28:11.057 --> 01:28:14.928 been updated since 2019. Uh We've been working very 01:28:14.938 --> 01:28:19.278 closely with Monica Brewer, with TE A. We've been hosting 01:28:19.288 --> 01:28:23.119 um statewide meetings with gifted and talented coordinators 01:28:23.129 --> 01:28:26.119 and directors across the state to get their feedback 01:28:26.129 --> 01:28:30.557 on um the Gifted and Talented State plan as well. Um 01:28:30.567 --> 01:28:34.508 What we did today was update um some legislation that 01:28:34.518 --> 01:28:37.478 had passed but then also uh in our rule making, but 01:28:37.489 --> 01:28:41.239 also um being able to implement that in the gifted 01:28:41.248 --> 01:28:45.518 and Talented state plan. Um We have finished the work 01:28:45.528 --> 01:28:48.678 on the dyslexia handbook um and that for House Bill 01:28:48.688 --> 01:28:52.298 3928 in that alignment. The other element that we've 01:28:52.307 --> 01:28:56.468 been working diligently on is innovative courses. Um 01:28:56.478 --> 01:29:01.748 as you know, the committee on instruction, um, put 01:29:01.758 --> 01:29:06.048 rules in place that, uh, removed the commissioner's 01:29:06.057 --> 01:29:09.097 authority to approve outside of the state Board of 01:29:09.107 --> 01:29:13.688 Education, um, innovative courses. Um, and now all 01:29:13.698 --> 01:29:16.489 innovative courses will come before the committee on 01:29:16.498 --> 01:29:20.879 instruction and then to the full board. Um, in addition 01:29:20.889 --> 01:29:24.389 to that, we also adopted some sunset rules because 01:29:24.399 --> 01:29:29.629 prior to, um, for courses that were not being attended 01:29:29.807 --> 01:29:32.428 um, or that just sort of sat on the list for a 01:29:32.438 --> 01:29:36.448 little while until they expired. Um This allows us 01:29:36.458 --> 01:29:38.754 the opportunity to take a look at all of the data to 01:29:38.764 --> 01:29:41.143 see how many students, how many districts have adopted 01:29:41.153 --> 01:29:44.462 it, how many students are participating in it and um 01:29:44.472 --> 01:29:48.913 and its effectiveness across the state. So, um this 01:29:48.923 --> 01:29:52.702 is uh our first run at that. Um We received some excellent 01:29:52.712 --> 01:29:57.264 data from TE A which also broke down um in this initial 01:29:57.274 --> 01:30:01.264 sunset list, which courses were um previously approved 01:30:01.274 --> 01:30:04.909 by the Commissioner of Education. Um, and those that 01:30:04.919 --> 01:30:09.057 went through State Board, um those courses of innovative 01:30:09.067 --> 01:30:12.458 courses that are CTE courses that are being rolled 01:30:12.468 --> 01:30:18.419 into, um, the, um, programs of study and then also 01:30:18.428 --> 01:30:25.218 um courses that, um, have that are very small and very 01:30:25.228 --> 01:30:28.307 particular courses um that would probably meet some 01:30:28.317 --> 01:30:32.587 of the criteria for sunset. And yet, um for example 01:30:32.597 --> 01:30:36.428 the Braille course, that's a very niche area, um very 01:30:36.438 --> 01:30:39.028 specific and so we would expect that the data collected 01:30:39.038 --> 01:30:43.057 on that is tiny anyway. Right. And so, um this is our 01:30:43.067 --> 01:30:47.989 first round at it um where we are uh enjoying the process 01:30:47.998 --> 01:30:51.778 of making this happened. And ultimately, we looked 01:30:51.788 --> 01:30:54.557 at the, we are looking in June at the courses, the 01:30:54.899 --> 01:30:59.248 courses that hit the highest marks of uh 34 and five 01:30:59.258 --> 01:31:03.788 for um potential sunset. So that's where we are on 01:31:03.798 --> 01:31:06.218 the committee on instruction. A lot of, a lot of work 01:31:06.419 --> 01:31:10.228 um A lot of good work that was done. Remember little 01:31:11.498 --> 01:31:14.857 Doctor Young did um we also discussed in there what 01:31:14.869 --> 01:31:17.708 that fine was. And I think some of our board members 01:31:17.718 --> 01:31:20.817 asked that question, do you want to share with them 01:31:20.827 --> 01:31:24.468 when the publish the publisher that we found that did 01:31:24.478 --> 01:31:27.399 not come to us for substitutions and we find them. 01:31:27.409 --> 01:31:29.379 And I think there were some board members wanting to 01:31:29.389 --> 01:31:31.607 know what that amount was. Can you share that please 01:31:31.619 --> 01:31:35.869 So that was um that was AAA new one for me as 01:31:35.879 --> 01:31:38.538 well because that happened to me prior on the board 01:31:38.548 --> 01:31:41.629 And so we did spend a little bit of time um discussing 01:31:41.639 --> 01:31:44.879 that and, and apparently what had, what happened was 01:31:45.048 --> 01:31:52.528 um there was a large print version um that was compared 01:31:52.538 --> 01:31:56.317 against the standard print version and that particular 01:31:56.327 --> 01:31:59.758 school district reported to, to the state board that 01:31:59.768 --> 01:32:04.919 these two versions did not match. And it was discovered 01:32:04.928 --> 01:32:08.807 that the publisher made updates in their standard print 01:32:08.817 --> 01:32:14.178 version that did not go before the committee on instruction 01:32:14.188 --> 01:32:18.129 and then consequently, the full board. Um and so that 01:32:18.139 --> 01:32:23.327 company um was utilized um as an example of what not 01:32:23.337 --> 01:32:28.567 to do and then they were fined for failing to follow 01:32:28.577 --> 01:32:32.298 the rules that are in place. So uh be it a warning 01:32:32.307 --> 01:32:36.659 to publishers uh to know that if you decide that you 01:32:36.669 --> 01:32:39.597 need to make an update, that it needs to come before 01:32:39.607 --> 01:32:41.768 the committee on instruction. And then finally, the 01:32:41.778 --> 01:32:46.817 full board in order for us to approve um any of those 01:32:46.827 --> 01:32:49.718 potential changes. Remember little, if you would remind 01:32:49.728 --> 01:32:55.498 me, um it was 100 the fine was 100 and $13,000 100 01:32:55.508 --> 01:32:59.347 and $13,000. It's a little chunk of change. So, thank 01:32:59.357 --> 01:33:06.178 you. Remember a little. 01:33:06.178 --> 01:33:08.847 Are there any further questions on Dr Young's committee 01:33:08.857 --> 01:33:14.498 report? 01:33:14.498 --> 01:33:18.008 Ok. Moving on to the committee on school finance and 01:33:18.018 --> 01:33:21.298 permanent school fund. There are no action items from 01:33:21.307 --> 01:33:23.399 this committee, but this body has traditionally allowed 01:33:23.409 --> 01:33:25.597 Mr Maynard to report on the work of the committee. 01:33:26.067 --> 01:33:29.067 Mr Maynard. Do you have a report? 01:33:29.067 --> 01:33:34.379 I do. Um 01:33:34.379 --> 01:33:39.369 There was uh a little bit of 01:33:39.369 --> 01:33:43.239 thought that, that this, that the bond guarantee report 01:33:43.248 --> 01:33:46.067 was going to get pulled from consent. And so we went 01:33:46.077 --> 01:33:50.357 ahead and, and, and, and ran this and so we're going 01:33:50.369 --> 01:33:54.248 to go ahead and, and hand this out. 01:33:54.248 --> 01:33:58.389 But I want to report that we are actually observing 01:33:59.268 --> 01:34:03.208 the, the, the 40th anniversary of the bond guarantee 01:34:03.218 --> 01:34:09.467 program. And so the bond guarantee program was actually 01:34:09.478 --> 01:34:13.309 something that was passed by the, by the voters as 01:34:13.318 --> 01:34:17.849 a constitutional amendment in 1983. What had happened 01:34:17.858 --> 01:34:21.568 is is that the, the bond rating agencies were about 01:34:21.579 --> 01:34:24.927 to downgrade the bond ratings for, for Texas school 01:34:24.938 --> 01:34:26.967 districts, it was going to cost them a lot of money 01:34:27.329 --> 01:34:30.519 in terms of interest payments. 01:34:30.519 --> 01:34:37.289 And so there was a bill hobby was the lieutenant governor 01:34:37.298 --> 01:34:40.157 at the time. And they, they put together a, um, AAA 01:34:40.168 --> 01:34:44.519 delegation that went to New York and they visit with 01:34:44.528 --> 01:34:46.668 the bond rating agencies, you know, Moody's and some 01:34:46.677 --> 01:34:50.248 of these, uh, included in that was, uh, Senator Grant 01:34:50.257 --> 01:34:53.999 Jones and also Representative Bill Haley, uh, who I 01:34:54.008 --> 01:34:56.258 believe at that time was probably chairman of the House 01:34:56.269 --> 01:35:00.637 Public Education Committee. And the conversation that 01:35:00.648 --> 01:35:04.978 was had in New York is, is that they, um, you know 01:35:04.989 --> 01:35:07.648 they said, well, do, do you have a large pool of money 01:35:07.657 --> 01:35:10.338 that you could use to guarantee those bonds? He says 01:35:10.349 --> 01:35:13.508 well, we do actually. And so that was sort of the idea 01:35:13.519 --> 01:35:15.427 is, is that we would use the permanent school fund 01:35:15.438 --> 01:35:18.958 then to, to guarantee these bonds. And as it turns 01:35:18.967 --> 01:35:21.508 out that so, so the, the permanent school fund kind 01:35:21.519 --> 01:35:25.838 of has, has two big pillars, two missions. One of course 01:35:25.849 --> 01:35:28.579 is to generate returns for distribution and the other 01:35:28.588 --> 01:35:30.887 one is, is to guarantee local school district bonds 01:35:30.898 --> 01:35:36.809 and so uh that was passed in 1983 and in 1984 we 01:35:36.818 --> 01:35:42.028 guaranteed our first bond was AAA primary school in 01:35:42.039 --> 01:35:47.407 40 is D just east of Dallas. And with, with mister 01:35:47.418 --> 01:35:49.467 chairman, with your permission, I'd like to, to show 01:35:49.478 --> 01:36:14.208 this video, please. 01:36:14.208 --> 01:36:18.079 Sylvia, we don't have audio. 01:36:18.079 --> 01:37:06.947 Oh, ok. 01:37:06.947 --> 01:37:17.809 Program has made it possible for ok. 01:37:17.809 --> 01:37:20.867 Since its establishment of the Texas Constitution, 01:37:20.878 --> 01:37:23.947 the Texas Permanent Food Fund has always had a vision 01:37:23.958 --> 01:37:27.677 of the promise of tomorrow for the initial $2 million 01:37:27.688 --> 01:37:32.228 seed. The fund has grown to a $53 billion plus diversified 01:37:32.239 --> 01:37:35.447 portfolio that made it possible for Texas schools and 01:37:35.458 --> 01:37:40.168 Texas kids to grow. With the Times. In 1983 Texans 01:37:40.177 --> 01:37:43.349 created the bond guarantee program and issued its first 01:37:43.358 --> 01:37:47.407 guarantee in 1984 extending the AAA credit rating for 01:37:47.418 --> 01:37:56.217 a permanent school fund to school district debt. 01:37:56.217 --> 01:37:59.217 Welcome to Criswell Elementary School originally for 01:37:59.447 --> 01:38:05.878 primary school. 01:38:05.878 --> 01:38:09.668 It all started here in 40 Texas 40 years ago where 01:38:09.677 --> 01:38:12.978 the first bond guarantee was issued by the Texas Permanent 01:38:12.989 --> 01:38:15.677 School Fund to build this incredible school for our 01:38:15.688 --> 01:38:18.298 kids. 01:38:18.298 --> 01:38:22.668 The Texas PSF Bond guarantee program has made it possible 01:38:22.677 --> 01:38:27.378 for us to today serve almost 900 kids here at Criswell 01:38:27.387 --> 01:38:30.378 from for primary right across the street. We have built 01:38:30.387 --> 01:38:38.088 what we consider the next generation of education 01:38:38.088 --> 01:38:41.829 here. This facility is 350,000 square feet. It serves 01:38:41.838 --> 01:38:45.008 what we consider our foundation, career college and 01:38:45.019 --> 01:38:48.378 community, all in one location. We're able to do some 01:38:48.387 --> 01:38:50.478 of these innovative things to educate our kids in our 01:38:50.489 --> 01:38:53.079 community because of some of the dollars that we saved 01:38:57.519 --> 01:39:00.617 today. The program is helping districts across Texas 01:39:00.628 --> 01:39:04.378 invest in 21st century facilities to support new educational 01:39:04.387 --> 01:39:09.407 opportunities for Texas students. 01:39:09.407 --> 01:39:12.489 Welcome to Stewart career tech high school, Goose Creek 01:39:12.499 --> 01:39:20.809 CS D May Town, Texas 01:39:20.809 --> 01:39:24.499 Stewart P tech high School draws attention to students 01:39:24.508 --> 01:39:27.878 who may not be on the tradition uh academic pathway 01:39:28.559 --> 01:39:31.398 We have six different academies and we thrive in an 01:39:31.407 --> 01:39:35.039 academy model. So every student has to choose a career 01:39:35.048 --> 01:39:38.258 path and then their math, their social studies, science 01:39:38.269 --> 01:39:43.318 English all revolve around that career path. 01:39:43.318 --> 01:39:46.177 Our students can graduate with welding, one welding 01:39:46.188 --> 01:39:49.489 two welding, three certificates. 01:39:49.489 --> 01:39:52.867 We have students that are getting a se certified mechanics 01:39:53.217 --> 01:39:57.559 Our digital tech industry is also available for students 01:39:57.568 --> 01:40:00.128 to expand and as a high school student can go right 01:40:00.137 --> 01:40:03.427 out into the workforce and make a double triple what 01:40:03.438 --> 01:40:06.387 they might have otherwise without certifications available 01:40:06.398 --> 01:40:10.177 here. Our career academies require special equipment 01:40:10.188 --> 01:40:13.599 facilities and technology and we're so grateful that 01:40:13.608 --> 01:40:16.117 the Texas Permanent School Fund allowed us to have 01:40:16.128 --> 01:40:19.637 those things without the guaranteed bond program. None 01:40:19.648 --> 01:40:25.559 of this would have been possible. 01:40:25.559 --> 01:40:31.108 I can middle school, Alora Cist, the bride of the Rio 01:40:31.148 --> 01:40:45.798 Grande Valley 01:40:45.798 --> 01:40:49.999 Bond Guarantee program is a real blessing for communities 01:40:50.008 --> 01:40:53.559 like Los Reso where 80% of the kids come from economically 01:40:53.568 --> 01:40:56.849 disadvantaged homes before it was definitely one of 01:40:56.858 --> 01:41:00.008 the oldest buildings here in Los Fos. What happened 01:41:00.019 --> 01:41:02.168 is with the bomb we got approved to build over here 01:41:02.177 --> 01:41:05.739 in this area and having these facilities allows them 01:41:05.749 --> 01:41:08.769 to feel more motivated and want to come and know, hey 01:41:08.778 --> 01:41:12.758 they built this for me. 01:41:12.758 --> 01:41:15.499 Without the permanent school fund bond program, we 01:41:15.508 --> 01:41:18.048 might not be able to provide the quality even hall 01:41:18.059 --> 01:41:21.818 that we have the science labs, sensory lab for some 01:41:21.829 --> 01:41:26.059 of our most fragile special needs students. A library 01:41:26.068 --> 01:41:30.114 that houses also a college readiness center where kids 01:41:30.124 --> 01:41:34.592 receive advice for post-secondary experiences. This 01:41:34.603 --> 01:41:37.992 partnership provides opportunities for us to deliver 01:41:38.003 --> 01:41:40.673 facilities that are compulsory facilities that are 01:41:40.684 --> 01:41:44.184 housing college preparatory programs. It helps us on 01:41:44.193 --> 01:41:47.849 this journey. 01:41:47.849 --> 01:41:50.329 Independent school districts and charter districts 01:41:50.338 --> 01:41:53.228 benefit from lower interest rates on their debt and 01:41:53.239 --> 01:41:56.508 millions of dollars in saved interest go toward actual 01:41:56.519 --> 01:42:01.117 campus improvements. The main benefit of receiving 01:42:01.128 --> 01:42:03.668 the permanent school fund guarantee is accessing a 01:42:03.677 --> 01:42:06.548 lower interest rate for our bonds. The bond guarantee 01:42:06.559 --> 01:42:08.867 actually afforded us close to a million dollars in 01:42:08.878 --> 01:42:12.789 savings. If we had built the opportunity central without 01:42:12.798 --> 01:42:16.128 the bond guarantee, it would have cost us $3.7 million 01:42:16.137 --> 01:42:20.228 in future interest costs. We've grown from 40 primary 01:42:20.239 --> 01:42:23.528 probably four schools to around 25 next year over this 01:42:23.539 --> 01:42:26.688 40 year period. And the majority of all of our schools 01:42:26.697 --> 01:42:29.157 have been built through the guarantee program. It's 01:42:29.168 --> 01:42:33.108 amazing any time we can save money for our taxpayers 01:42:33.117 --> 01:42:36.289 and divert those funds for student projects is certainly 01:42:36.298 --> 01:42:40.239 the way to go. I encourage all districts to endeavor 01:42:40.249 --> 01:42:44.012 to receive this. The bond guarantee program is part 01:42:44.023 --> 01:42:47.213 of our core mission. Since 1984 we've guaranteed over 01:42:47.224 --> 01:42:50.503 8000 bonds with an annual savings to Texas schools 01:42:50.512 --> 01:42:55.253 and taxpayers of $400 million creating tremendous value 01:42:55.262 --> 01:42:58.633 for the people of Texas and investing in the most important 01:42:58.644 --> 01:43:03.114 asset of all our Children. Thank you, Texas PSF. Thank 01:43:03.124 --> 01:43:06.648 you, Texas PSF. 01:43:06.648 --> 01:43:09.818 That is. 01:43:09.818 --> 01:43:15.617 Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations 01:43:15.628 --> 01:43:19.079 and happy 40th anniversary. Congratulations, Texas 01:43:19.088 --> 01:43:22.599 PSF. Congratulations to the Permanent School Fund bond 01:43:22.608 --> 01:43:24.989 program. What you do makes a difference that great 01:43:35.588 --> 01:43:39.728 So members, I hope you're proud of that, you know, 01:43:39.739 --> 01:43:45.137 because what we are doing with that is that we 01:43:45.137 --> 01:43:49.197 making bond dollars go further. We, we're saving money 01:43:49.208 --> 01:43:51.867 by, by allowing school districts to pay lower interest 01:43:51.878 --> 01:43:55.588 rates and we're saving taxpayers about $400 million 01:43:55.599 --> 01:43:58.478 a year just in interest payments. And that way, the 01:43:58.489 --> 01:44:00.958 more that money goes to that project rather than paying 01:44:00.967 --> 01:44:05.168 interest. And so, so that's a real value to, to Texas 01:44:05.177 --> 01:44:07.967 school districts and, and you know, that's why we can 01:44:07.978 --> 01:44:14.177 have good facilities. So with that, the Dr Bell Meru 01:44:14.188 --> 01:44:17.708 did you have a question? 01:44:17.708 --> 01:44:22.088 Yes, II I just wanted to ask how we can be proud 01:44:22.559 --> 01:44:26.059 of those savings when we don't pass those on to our 01:44:26.068 --> 01:44:30.378 schools. We have the largest permanent school fund 01:44:31.137 --> 01:44:34.648 in the United States and we rank near the bottom in 01:44:34.657 --> 01:44:38.849 terms of our actual funding of education. I just, I 01:44:38.858 --> 01:44:41.947 I'm just curious as to how we can be proud of that 01:44:42.378 --> 01:44:44.878 Well, let me make it clear that those savings are passed 01:44:44.887 --> 01:44:47.789 directly to the school districts because when we guarantee 01:44:47.798 --> 01:44:50.559 their bond, that means that they are paying a lower 01:44:50.568 --> 01:44:54.999 interest rate in the bond that they passed more of 01:44:55.008 --> 01:44:59.258 that money goes to that project and the less that money 01:44:59.269 --> 01:45:01.958 goes to paying interest to pay the bonds back. And 01:45:01.967 --> 01:45:05.168 so we don't, we don't see that $400 million. They, 01:45:05.177 --> 01:45:08.099 they save that directly. And so we are saving them 01:45:08.108 --> 01:45:11.177 in every school district, we save them money by guaranteeing 01:45:11.188 --> 01:45:13.938 their bonds and making their bonds. AAA, that's how 01:45:13.947 --> 01:45:20.668 that works. So, ok, but our per pupil spending is among 01:45:20.677 --> 01:45:24.028 the lowest in the United States. That's what I'm saying 01:45:25.168 --> 01:45:27.708 Not, not, not germane to this discussion, what we're 01:45:27.717 --> 01:45:30.798 talking about here but, and Mr Chairman, if we could 01:45:30.809 --> 01:45:35.648 just, just, just finish out and, and I know that there's 01:45:35.657 --> 01:45:40.758 a little bit of a conversation around, maybe you've 01:45:40.769 --> 01:45:43.829 heard a little bit about members. There's been some 01:45:43.838 --> 01:45:46.588 discussion about Blackrock. I don't know if you've 01:45:46.599 --> 01:45:51.697 you've heard of that in $8.5 billion. So let me just 01:45:51.708 --> 01:45:56.467 I want to just address that very quickly. So the, the 01:45:56.478 --> 01:45:58.918 decision that was made of course was not made by this 01:45:58.927 --> 01:46:02.148 board but was made by the Permanent School Fund Corporation 01:46:02.157 --> 01:46:05.188 Board of Directors. And the decision that was made 01:46:05.197 --> 01:46:10.668 was a, was a fiduciary decision. The, the school fund 01:46:10.677 --> 01:46:14.697 went through its normal asset allocation, strategic 01:46:14.708 --> 01:46:18.188 asset allocation exercise, study and exercise. And 01:46:18.197 --> 01:46:21.108 and we do that periodically to, to see if we need to 01:46:21.117 --> 01:46:26.588 rebalance the portfolio if we need to invest more and 01:46:26.599 --> 01:46:28.999 in a particular asset class, if we need to eliminate 01:46:29.008 --> 01:46:32.867 an asset class, if we need to add an asset class, we 01:46:32.878 --> 01:46:35.947 did that and, and what we did is is that we eliminated 01:46:35.958 --> 01:46:40.978 two asset classes in the emerging market space. We 01:46:40.989 --> 01:46:45.407 we eliminated an inter an international equity index 01:46:45.418 --> 01:46:50.427 fund and we eliminated an emerging market debt portfolio 01:46:50.878 --> 01:46:54.858 Those are, those are typically in what we call emerging 01:46:54.867 --> 01:46:58.258 markets or, or countries outside of the United States 01:46:59.358 --> 01:47:01.637 What had happened is, you know, 10 years ago, that 01:47:01.648 --> 01:47:05.458 was a, that was a pretty good play. But because the 01:47:05.467 --> 01:47:08.489 the political landscape and political instability has 01:47:08.499 --> 01:47:12.697 increased the risk of those investments, it was to 01:47:12.708 --> 01:47:17.478 our advantage to, to derisk the fund a little bit and 01:47:17.489 --> 01:47:22.349 to move into an asset class that had improve returns 01:47:23.128 --> 01:47:27.628 significantly improve returns. And so we, we opted 01:47:27.637 --> 01:47:32.269 that that $8.05 billion was in those two emerging market 01:47:32.458 --> 01:47:37.048 spaces. OK? And so the decision that was made was purely 01:47:37.059 --> 01:47:41.128 a fiduciary one. Ok. As far as, as far as closing those 01:47:41.137 --> 01:47:44.008 those 22 funds, now there was a, there was a secondary 01:47:44.019 --> 01:47:47.519 decision and the secondary decision was, is that uh 01:47:47.528 --> 01:47:51.588 those those two funds, those two portfolios were managed 01:47:51.599 --> 01:47:54.559 by Blackrock, by the way, was Blackrock doing a bad 01:47:54.568 --> 01:47:57.128 job managing those funds. They were not, they were 01:47:57.137 --> 01:48:00.387 not doing a bad job uh as they have noted in their 01:48:00.398 --> 01:48:05.769 press releases that they were exceeding the uh uh the 01:48:05.778 --> 01:48:08.539 benchmarks, the the policy benchmarks on that, that 01:48:08.548 --> 01:48:11.438 really wasn't the issue. The issue is, is that us and 01:48:11.447 --> 01:48:13.708 by the way, a lot of other public funds all over the 01:48:13.717 --> 01:48:19.367 country are essentially getting out of emerging market 01:48:19.548 --> 01:48:22.128 the the emerging market space. And that's what we did 01:48:22.137 --> 01:48:25.927 And we, we went from that and uh made a bigger commitment 01:48:25.938 --> 01:48:29.978 in, in private credit. And so, so that was the decision 01:48:29.989 --> 01:48:32.309 the secondary decision was is that we, we could have 01:48:32.318 --> 01:48:34.358 certainly looked at that and said, being that Blackrock 01:48:34.367 --> 01:48:37.907 was, was currently managing those two portfolios. We 01:48:37.918 --> 01:48:41.407 certainly could have, you know, rung up Blackrock and 01:48:41.418 --> 01:48:44.349 said, hey, we want to, we want to change that in, in 01:48:44.358 --> 01:48:47.867 the contract and we want to move this over into this 01:48:47.878 --> 01:48:51.508 this other other asset class. The problem is is that 01:48:51.519 --> 01:48:55.309 pursuant to the law, Blackrock is currently on what's 01:48:55.318 --> 01:48:58.648 called the boycott list and uh that's maintained by 01:48:58.657 --> 01:49:02.617 the controller and, and because that, that they have 01:49:02.628 --> 01:49:05.398 engaged in, in certain practices that, that actually 01:49:05.407 --> 01:49:08.298 work against Texas oil and gas, which also affect the 01:49:08.309 --> 01:49:11.137 permanent school fund. And keep in mind that the permanent 01:49:11.148 --> 01:49:14.588 school fund is defined not only as the assets and management 01:49:14.599 --> 01:49:18.478 that we have, it also includes all of the mineral assets 01:49:18.489 --> 01:49:21.289 that are managed at the direction of the school land 01:49:21.298 --> 01:49:25.858 board by the general land office. And, and so it is 01:49:25.867 --> 01:49:28.967 in the best interest of the permanent school fund to 01:49:28.978 --> 01:49:32.599 to not or to, to stand shoulder to shoulder with our 01:49:32.608 --> 01:49:36.217 legislature and with our Comptroller and, and to not 01:49:36.228 --> 01:49:40.407 only honor the letter of the law as it relates to that 01:49:40.418 --> 01:49:43.769 which, which required us to divest of all of our direct 01:49:43.778 --> 01:49:49.048 holdings in, in, in such companies, but also to, to 01:49:49.059 --> 01:49:52.967 to fulfill the spirit of that law and, and not continue 01:49:52.978 --> 01:49:55.918 to do business with, with those companies. And Blackrock 01:49:55.927 --> 01:49:59.657 is one of those companies. And so, so we opted to use 01:49:59.668 --> 01:50:03.008 different external managers and we, we did not reinvest 01:50:03.019 --> 01:50:07.677 that with Blackrock and until, you know, Blackrock 01:50:07.688 --> 01:50:10.148 or some of these other companies come off of the Comptroller's 01:50:10.157 --> 01:50:13.958 list, that's how we will approach that. Uh We, we tend 01:50:13.967 --> 01:50:17.197 to uh we will, we will stand with our legislature, 01:50:17.208 --> 01:50:20.407 we will stand with our governor and with our uh with 01:50:20.418 --> 01:50:23.608 our controller on those things. So, so that is uh that 01:50:23.617 --> 01:50:26.177 is an explanation on that. A lot of the, the stuff 01:50:26.188 --> 01:50:29.008 about that we've we've done something with the 8.5 01:50:30.059 --> 01:50:33.349 billion dollars we have, we've reinvested in something 01:50:33.358 --> 01:50:36.387 that does better and has less risk. It's a good thing 01:50:36.999 --> 01:50:39.999 Uh Just a few other items. The, the uh we received 01:50:40.008 --> 01:50:43.778 a report re related to our strategic plan. Uh The board 01:50:43.789 --> 01:50:46.539 adopted a strategic plan last, our last meeting and 01:50:46.548 --> 01:50:49.539 we were moving forward with that. We received a report 01:50:49.548 --> 01:50:51.938 on the uh the private equity real estate and private 01:50:51.947 --> 01:50:54.898 credit uh portfolios and, and those in those spaces 01:50:55.489 --> 01:51:00.228 uh moving forward, uh we are uh in the process of uh 01:51:00.239 --> 01:51:04.309 of studying our, our compensation plan. Uh And uh of 01:51:04.318 --> 01:51:06.978 course, is that anytime you're talking about investment 01:51:06.989 --> 01:51:12.499 funds is that uh all investment funds uh uh the there's 01:51:12.508 --> 01:51:14.867 incentive compensation involved with that. As long 01:51:14.878 --> 01:51:17.789 as we were part of the agency, we're very limited in 01:51:17.798 --> 01:51:20.289 terms of what we could do with that. Uh Now that we 01:51:20.298 --> 01:51:22.548 are a governmental corporation, uh we can be a lot 01:51:22.559 --> 01:51:26.349 more competitive in that space and where we can compete 01:51:26.358 --> 01:51:30.117 with the likes of you Timco or, or uh or uh TRS 01:51:30.128 --> 01:51:32.999 or anybody else in terms of recruiting outstanding 01:51:33.008 --> 01:51:36.499 talent. One of the big issues that we've had over the 01:51:36.508 --> 01:51:39.867 last 18 months is related to proxy building. And uh 01:51:39.878 --> 01:51:42.677 a lot of people don't realize is that uh because we 01:51:42.688 --> 01:51:45.519 own shares in, in many, many companies, somewhere between 01:51:45.528 --> 01:51:50.407 3500 and 4000 companies. Uh We cast somewhere between 01:51:50.418 --> 01:51:53.927 40 50,000 proxy votes in annual meetings every year 01:51:54.749 --> 01:51:58.108 And uh the, the, the the dirty little secret about 01:51:58.117 --> 01:52:01.528 that is is that a lot of that proxy voting policy has 01:52:01.539 --> 01:52:04.528 been used to drive certain agendas that we don't really 01:52:04.539 --> 01:52:08.489 care to support. And the problem has been is is that 01:52:08.499 --> 01:52:11.048 by the way, is, is that there's no way that that the 01:52:11.059 --> 01:52:14.168 staff of of this fund or any fund can manage 40 to 01:52:14.177 --> 01:52:18.309 50,000 proxy votes every year. So what has happened 01:52:18.318 --> 01:52:20.608 is is that there are, are, are two companies that do 01:52:20.617 --> 01:52:23.769 nothing but manage proxy votes for big investment funds 01:52:24.579 --> 01:52:28.407 Uh The, the issue is is that some of how some of 01:52:28.418 --> 01:52:32.739 those proxy votes are being cast, uh really don't uh 01:52:32.749 --> 01:52:36.318 don't work in favor of, of, of shareholders or, or 01:52:36.329 --> 01:52:39.148 or, or funds or the beneficiary of, of these funds 01:52:39.769 --> 01:52:43.438 Uh but the marketplace has responded and uh there was 01:52:43.447 --> 01:52:46.099 a group that has been working alongside an organization 01:52:46.108 --> 01:52:48.907 called the, the State Financial Officers Foundation 01:52:48.999 --> 01:52:52.309 to address this issue and has actually come up with 01:52:52.318 --> 01:52:56.309 a uh with a proxy voting matrix. Uh that is, that is 01:52:56.318 --> 01:53:00.458 more in line with our values and, and, and the objectives 01:53:00.467 --> 01:53:03.019 of the permanent school fund. We are one of, of two 01:53:03.028 --> 01:53:05.657 sovereign wealth funds in the United States to adopt 01:53:05.668 --> 01:53:09.829 that. I think it's interesting that the lieutenant 01:53:09.838 --> 01:53:13.467 governor did release his interim charges as we were 01:53:13.478 --> 01:53:18.197 meeting yesterday and there is a, there is a piece 01:53:18.208 --> 01:53:20.708 in there about proxy voting and which, which, which 01:53:20.717 --> 01:53:23.108 tells me that the permanent school fund has taken a 01:53:23.117 --> 01:53:26.108 lead in this issue and we have actually kind of set 01:53:26.117 --> 01:53:29.137 the tone for things and to where that the the legislature 01:53:29.148 --> 01:53:32.809 is also going to look at to see how our shares are 01:53:32.818 --> 01:53:38.378 are being voted, not only on us but but across the 01:53:38.387 --> 01:53:41.708 the pension funds and, and the various investment funds 01:53:41.717 --> 01:53:45.559 that are operated by the state of Texas Mr Chairman 01:53:45.568 --> 01:53:50.427 And that concludes my report. 01:53:50.427 --> 01:53:53.867 Thank you member Maynard. I'd like to open up for any 01:53:53.878 --> 01:53:57.177 further questions for him. 01:53:57.177 --> 01:54:00.548 This is not a question but to an addendum to what you've 01:54:00.559 --> 01:54:08.519 said is that we still hold Black rock in our portfolio 01:54:08.829 --> 01:54:13.228 And oddly enough, it's in oil and gas but it, it's 01:54:13.239 --> 01:54:16.708 not that shows it's not a political thing because we 01:54:16.739 --> 01:54:19.677 this was an old investment and we've kept that one 01:54:20.617 --> 01:54:25.677 and it's providing a good return. 01:54:25.677 --> 01:54:28.128 And mister chairman I would, I would also further note 01:54:28.137 --> 01:54:33.239 just just as a, just as a look forward in June and 01:54:33.249 --> 01:54:35.989 and we will circle back with you on this is that but 01:54:37.088 --> 01:54:38.999 some of you who are new members on the board have not 01:54:39.008 --> 01:54:41.329 been through this process yet, but we will begin the 01:54:41.338 --> 01:54:45.099 process for the for the distribution that typically 01:54:45.108 --> 01:54:49.168 starts in June with a discussion item. We usually have 01:54:49.177 --> 01:54:51.579 a, we set the range of that distribution in, in the 01:54:51.588 --> 01:54:54.117 September meeting and then finalize that distribution 01:54:54.128 --> 01:54:58.427 rate in November. And so we will be coming back and 01:54:58.438 --> 01:55:01.427 and typically we'll talk about this, but we would generally 01:55:01.438 --> 01:55:04.378 do that in the committee of the full board. In addition 01:55:04.387 --> 01:55:06.927 to that, we also be one of the things that came over 01:55:06.938 --> 01:55:09.648 from the school land board is the, is the, what we 01:55:09.657 --> 01:55:12.867 call the five G distribution. So there's two distributions 01:55:12.878 --> 01:55:15.378 One is a five A that is still maintained by the State 01:55:15.387 --> 01:55:18.407 Board of Education. The other one is five G and that 01:55:18.418 --> 01:55:21.967 is a distribution based on the oil and gas revenues 01:55:22.197 --> 01:55:27.499 of the current year. And so, uh that is capped at $600 01:55:27.508 --> 01:55:33.539 million per, per year per fiscal year or $1.2 billion 01:55:33.548 --> 01:55:36.367 per biennium. And so we will be going through that 01:55:36.378 --> 01:55:40.258 working forward on that as well. So, uh it's good stuff 01:55:40.269 --> 01:55:42.967 you know, and uh this is the, this, this is some of 01:55:42.978 --> 01:55:48.378 the constitutional work of this board. 01:55:48.378 --> 01:55:52.099 Thank you, Mayor Maynard. Any further questions, members 01:55:52.749 --> 01:55:55.197 member Davis. 01:55:55.197 --> 01:55:57.989 I have just a couple of questions in response to that 01:55:58.208 --> 01:56:00.739 Um You mentioned the board of directors made the decision 01:56:00.749 --> 01:56:07.398 was it a vote or just a discussion p 01:56:07.398 --> 01:56:10.579 which, which part of the decision of the divestiture 01:56:11.677 --> 01:56:16.677 The, the decision to move out of emerging markets was 01:56:16.688 --> 01:56:22.088 a, was a vote based on a, an adopted strategic asset 01:56:22.137 --> 01:56:25.749 allocation. It was a vote OK. And then also, was it 01:56:25.758 --> 01:56:28.208 a vote to determine? I understand there are some companies 01:56:28.217 --> 01:56:31.467 that have been identified to now pick up those investments 01:56:31.478 --> 01:56:33.887 Was it a vote to determine who would now receive that 01:56:33.898 --> 01:56:36.128 funding to be able to do that investment? It was not 01:56:36.137 --> 01:56:39.467 a vote because the Permanent School Fund Corporation 01:56:39.478 --> 01:56:41.967 is a governing board, not a managing board. And so 01:56:42.217 --> 01:56:45.539 just in terms of those very granular, very specific 01:56:45.548 --> 01:56:49.958 investment decisions, those are made internally by 01:56:49.967 --> 01:56:52.668 the investment staff. Ok. And one last question, I 01:56:52.677 --> 01:56:55.059 think it was one more. I wrote down how much interest 01:56:55.068 --> 01:56:58.447 are we losing daily because of this divestiture? Well 01:56:58.458 --> 01:57:01.309 we're not losing any interest. Ok. We're, we're actually 01:57:01.318 --> 01:57:05.367 we're actually gaining 01:57:05.367 --> 01:57:08.697 at a minimum. Probably we're gaining 50 basis points 01:57:08.999 --> 01:57:11.978 probably more than that even post the divestiture. 01:57:12.088 --> 01:57:15.849 We're still gaining money, we're gaining, we're gaining 01:57:15.858 --> 01:57:19.358 returns because we moved into an asset class. And when 01:57:19.367 --> 01:57:21.697 we talk about returns, we're talking about risk adjusted 01:57:21.708 --> 01:57:26.258 returns. And so because we reduced our risk profile 01:57:26.599 --> 01:57:29.617 and we moved into an asset class that actually promises 01:57:29.628 --> 01:57:35.278 better returns. We're actually gaining ground significantly 01:57:35.289 --> 01:57:38.739 And, and by the way, that will actually have a significant 01:57:39.599 --> 01:57:42.458 impact on our distribution moving forward because it 01:57:42.467 --> 01:57:45.217 it will, it will change our, our return projections 01:57:45.967 --> 01:57:48.318 Thank you. And last one, are there any other companies 01:57:48.329 --> 01:57:53.407 on that list that we currently do business with? 01:57:53.407 --> 01:57:56.579 I can't, I can't speak. I don't, I wouldn't care to 01:57:56.588 --> 01:57:59.849 speak to that because I, I'm not prepared to speak 01:57:59.858 --> 01:58:02.798 to that. Maybe chair. I know there was a lot of men 01:58:02.809 --> 01:58:05.608 with you in the ESG thing. Maybe you would know. Are 01:58:05.617 --> 01:58:08.489 we currently doing business with anyone else on that 01:58:08.499 --> 01:58:11.374 ESG list? That would, we would probably be dying? That's 01:58:11.552 --> 01:58:14.552 the problem. Not that I'm aware of. I will say that 01:58:14.563 --> 01:58:18.184 last year we had extensive meetings on this topic and 01:58:18.193 --> 01:58:22.492 staff presented us with a list of all of the companies 01:58:22.503 --> 01:58:26.833 we had that were on section 808 and 809 lists. And 01:58:26.842 --> 01:58:30.914 so we have been looking at that since then. I don't 01:58:30.923 --> 01:58:34.704 know what the exact status is today, but it has been 01:58:34.713 --> 01:58:37.684 a topic that has been broad ranging as far as compliance 01:58:37.693 --> 01:58:40.898 with the law. 01:58:40.898 --> 01:58:44.039 Yeah. And, and let me just kind of, you know, further 01:58:44.048 --> 01:58:48.249 state, this is what the law tells us to do is to 01:58:48.258 --> 01:58:52.059 be fiduciaries first. That is our, that is our first 01:58:52.068 --> 01:58:55.298 responsibility is to be fiduciaries. And which means 01:58:55.309 --> 01:58:58.309 is that what, what, what the law directs us to do is 01:58:58.318 --> 01:59:03.099 to, to divest to the extent that we can without compromising 01:59:03.108 --> 01:59:06.039 returns at the end of the day, we have to make decisions 01:59:06.048 --> 01:59:10.088 based on, on returns and we have done that. Thank you 01:59:11.539 --> 01:59:13.458 Remember Davis, one of their clarification, I might 01:59:13.467 --> 01:59:17.677 add, I I'm sure that you're aware of this, but Blackrock 01:59:17.688 --> 01:59:20.188 doesn't actually own the securities. The securities 01:59:20.197 --> 01:59:23.519 they manage the security securities for us. So those 01:59:23.528 --> 01:59:29.117 securities are kept with Bny Mellon in New York. And 01:59:29.128 --> 01:59:32.489 so the securities didn't actually get sold as a part 01:59:32.499 --> 01:59:36.467 of that decision. The manager of those changed. So 01:59:36.478 --> 01:59:41.478 and that's particularly relevant to your interest question 01:59:42.758 --> 01:59:48.548 Thank you, Doctor Bell Meow. Yes. II, I hear you saying 01:59:48.559 --> 01:59:54.269 that, uh, politics should not, uh, override profit 01:59:54.367 --> 01:59:56.228 but that's exactly what. 01:59:57.308 --> 02:00:02.747 Blackrock is saying is that the decision quote ignores 02:00:02.987 --> 02:00:07.176 over $120 billion investment in Texas public energy 02:00:07.188 --> 02:00:12.978 companies and defies expert advice. And that and Blackrock 02:00:12.988 --> 02:00:16.258 is saying as a fiduciary politics should never outweigh 02:00:16.267 --> 02:00:21.116 performance, especially for taxpayers. And it seems 02:00:21.127 --> 02:00:26.807 to me that this is a case where somehow feelings were 02:00:26.817 --> 02:00:32.896 hurt and that this is a matter of politics rather than 02:00:32.907 --> 02:00:37.896 a financially sound decision. 02:00:37.896 --> 02:00:42.837 Mr Chairman, if I may member mayors, uh I would just 02:00:42.846 --> 02:00:45.896 again add this is that the decision we made was a fiduciary 02:00:45.907 --> 02:00:48.818 decision that was supported by our, our highly capable 02:00:48.826 --> 02:00:52.417 investment staff and not only our, our highly capable 02:00:52.428 --> 02:00:55.728 investment staff, but our highly capable fiduciary 02:00:55.767 --> 02:01:00.837 consultant uh NE PC. Um by the way is, is that uh 02:01:00.848 --> 02:01:05.077 you know, uh moving out of emerging market, uh the 02:01:05.087 --> 02:01:08.327 emerging market space is something that many public 02:01:08.337 --> 02:01:12.676 funds and private funds are doing, not just us and 02:01:12.687 --> 02:01:14.926 and moving into private credit is something that a 02:01:14.937 --> 02:01:19.506 lot of uh investment funds are doing the same. Uh And 02:01:19.518 --> 02:01:23.797 and so it is purely a fiduciary decision. Uh You know 02:01:23.807 --> 02:01:26.887 II I can't speak for, you know, I think the Black Rock 02:01:26.896 --> 02:01:29.708 is certainly welcome to say, whatever they want to 02:01:29.717 --> 02:01:33.988 say. Uh but, but the facts on the ground don't actually 02:01:33.997 --> 02:01:36.747 support that. 02:01:36.747 --> 02:01:40.896 Doctor Bella. I would add mostly for the public watching 02:01:40.908 --> 02:01:44.217 I'm sure you're aware of the Comptroller's List Comptroller 02:01:44.316 --> 02:01:47.628 Glenn Hager and his role in implementing the legislation 02:01:47.637 --> 02:01:53.217 from SB 13, but he has his annex one and two on 02:01:53.967 --> 02:01:56.967 his website that can give you more insight into the 02:01:56.978 --> 02:01:59.947 implementation of this, this law for anybody that's 02:01:59.958 --> 02:02:02.217 interested. 02:02:02.217 --> 02:02:06.266 Did you have another comment, Dr Bowman? Um Yes, it 02:02:06.278 --> 02:02:13.867 just, it seems that one of the key principles in investment 02:02:13.877 --> 02:02:18.808 is to have diversification. And the statement that 02:02:18.816 --> 02:02:22.688 I believe 02:02:22.688 --> 02:02:27.228 your statement that um this uh immeasurably damages 02:02:27.236 --> 02:02:30.778 our state's oil and gas economy and the very companies 02:02:30.786 --> 02:02:35.096 that generate revenues. Uh It, it seems to me that 02:02:35.107 --> 02:02:43.346 um trying to second guess Blackrock's investments is 02:02:43.357 --> 02:02:47.688 is trying to favor and put the fingers on the scale 02:02:47.697 --> 02:02:50.748 of oil and gas, which is certainly important in Texas 02:02:50.756 --> 02:02:54.088 But the more diversified we are in our investments 02:02:54.286 --> 02:02:59.697 the better. That is my understanding. Sure. And I'm 02:02:59.707 --> 02:03:01.986 sure you're also aware of the efficient frontier from 02:03:01.998 --> 02:03:05.316 financial theory and our staff ran that model and they 02:03:05.327 --> 02:03:08.766 came up with the asset allocation. So the new allocation 02:03:08.778 --> 02:03:12.867 is a better solution on that efficient frontier. So 02:03:13.756 --> 02:03:16.786 that would address that. I'm also sure that you are 02:03:16.797 --> 02:03:20.188 aware that a billion dollars a year or more comes from 02:03:20.197 --> 02:03:23.688 royalty revenue into the permanent school Fund from 02:03:23.697 --> 02:03:26.127 the General Land Office, which makes that a part of 02:03:26.137 --> 02:03:29.728 our fiduciary duty as well. 02:03:29.728 --> 02:03:33.417 Yes, thank you, Chairman. Um So I um I will acknowledge 02:03:33.427 --> 02:03:36.957 as um the single progressive on the conversation. I 02:03:36.968 --> 02:03:39.846 was in agreement with the um supporting the divestment 02:03:39.857 --> 02:03:43.707 from emerging markets. Um Not for reasons regarding 02:03:43.718 --> 02:03:47.278 ESG I will acknowledge that I um support sustainable 02:03:47.286 --> 02:03:49.316 energy and, and those investments. But what I will 02:03:49.327 --> 02:03:51.846 also acknowledge is the fact that we need to reinvest 02:03:51.857 --> 02:03:56.506 in Texas. And um this provides an opportunity for us 02:03:56.516 --> 02:04:01.397 to partner with um emerging partners here in Texas 02:04:01.407 --> 02:04:06.266 who um do represent a diverse uh segment of this sector 02:04:06.397 --> 02:04:09.627 And so for me, this is really important. I think that 02:04:09.637 --> 02:04:11.188 um it makes a lot of sense and I know it's a 02:04:11.197 --> 02:04:14.347 little bit difficult to follow if you're not, if you're 02:04:14.357 --> 02:04:16.357 not intimately aware of the conversations that are 02:04:16.367 --> 02:04:19.018 taking place on the table. But I'd, I'd, I'd be happy 02:04:19.026 --> 02:04:23.357 to sit with um Doctor Bell Meadow with um member Davis 02:04:23.367 --> 02:04:25.677 to talk through some of these things because I recognize 02:04:25.687 --> 02:04:28.857 some of the concerns regarding um the environment and 02:04:28.867 --> 02:04:31.617 and that is incredibly important for me, but I just 02:04:31.627 --> 02:04:34.557 want to acknowledge that this was not a political decision 02:04:34.566 --> 02:04:36.958 made by the board and I'll remind the board just want 02:04:36.966 --> 02:04:40.066 to reiterate once once more. Um This body does not 02:04:40.078 --> 02:04:42.737 have nor does the Permanent School Fund Corp have. 02:04:42.867 --> 02:04:45.708 Um any say, with regards to who we partner with in 02:04:45.716 --> 02:04:48.377 terms of investment, that is a decision made by the 02:04:48.388 --> 02:04:52.987 staff. Um We simply gave guidance with regard to uh 02:04:52.997 --> 02:04:57.047 not investing in risky um partnerships or risky um 02:04:57.057 --> 02:05:01.406 markets. And so for that reason, as the single progressive 02:05:01.417 --> 02:05:04.328 in the conversation, I supported my colleagues in making 02:05:04.336 --> 02:05:09.086 that decision. Um So thank you. 02:05:09.086 --> 02:05:13.198 Thank you, Mayor Perez. Yes, Doctor Bell Meow. 02:05:13.198 --> 02:05:17.336 It just seems to me that the discussion of this made 02:05:17.347 --> 02:05:22.177 it seem that these were political motivations rather 02:05:22.187 --> 02:05:27.097 than economic motivations. And I think that that is 02:05:27.107 --> 02:05:32.828 the mistake. I am not a financial expert by any means 02:05:33.047 --> 02:05:38.617 but I do know that the discussion of these issues makes 02:05:38.627 --> 02:05:44.014 it sound like we that, that the, the decision is being 02:05:44.023 --> 02:05:48.052 made on a political basis. And I find that that is 02:05:48.302 --> 02:05:53.694 not wise or, or responsible and I understand if I may 02:05:53.924 --> 02:05:58.533 respond, I also want to acknowledge that the commentary 02:05:58.543 --> 02:06:01.233 from Blackrock is what's being referenced and Blackrock 02:06:01.242 --> 02:06:04.552 is a beneficiary of the action. And so I feel like 02:06:04.562 --> 02:06:07.932 that's a very biased opinion. And so we have to be 02:06:07.944 --> 02:06:10.932 very careful about where we're referencing information 02:06:11.030 --> 02:06:13.489 because um I, I, you know, in the same breath and, 02:06:13.499 --> 02:06:16.819 and of course, again, a reminder, I, I am a progressive 02:06:16.828 --> 02:06:20.518 voice on this decision and um but also have intimate 02:06:20.530 --> 02:06:22.958 conversation or an intimate knowledge of the conversations 02:06:22.970 --> 02:06:24.989 that are happening when we're making these decisions 02:06:25.220 --> 02:06:28.838 Um And um and I by no means made that decision on 02:06:28.850 --> 02:06:33.809 a political basis. For me, it made operational sense 02:06:33.819 --> 02:06:37.168 Um And it also made sense for us to, to invest in 02:06:37.179 --> 02:06:47.287 more diverse emerging partners here in Texas. 02:06:47.287 --> 02:06:50.297 Thank you member Maynard. Thank you for your leadership 02:06:50.307 --> 02:06:55.357 on the fund. And thank you to those who are working 02:06:55.367 --> 02:06:58.336 on the fund. The video is incredible. Got to see it 02:06:58.347 --> 02:07:01.057 yesterday at the PSF Corp meeting. Thank you for sharing 02:07:01.066 --> 02:07:03.297 that with the entire board because it is important 02:07:03.307 --> 02:07:07.018 work we're doing uh to provide the best opportunities 02:07:07.026 --> 02:07:09.888 for kids across the state. So thank you. Please tell 02:07:09.898 --> 02:07:12.708 the staff of the PSF Corp. Thank you on behalf of this 02:07:12.716 --> 02:07:16.388 body. 02:07:16.388 --> 02:07:21.086 Ok. Moving along to item number eight. So that is the 02:07:21.097 --> 02:07:23.927 report on the committee of school agendas. The first 02:07:23.937 --> 02:07:27.276 thing, sorry school initiatives. The first thing we 02:07:27.287 --> 02:07:32.648 are going to look at is item 12 from the consent agenda 02:07:33.127 --> 02:07:41.497 That's on page 4, 19 of your board book 02:07:41.497 --> 02:07:44.747 member. Thank you chair uh for those of you in the 02:07:44.756 --> 02:07:46.638 room watching at home here in the circle, grab your 02:07:46.648 --> 02:07:50.756 popcorn. We had a seven hour meeting 11 items. Uh So 02:07:50.888 --> 02:07:55.097 get settled in and ready. Uh First, this was our item 02:07:55.107 --> 02:07:59.776 number four. The committee on school initiatives recommends 02:07:59.787 --> 02:08:02.526 to the state Board of Education that they approve for 02:08:02.537 --> 02:08:05.307 first reading and filing authorization proposed amendment 02:08:05.316 --> 02:08:09.756 to 19 tac chapter 61 school districts subchapter, a 02:08:09.768 --> 02:08:15.018 board of trustee relationship section 61.2 nomination 02:08:15.026 --> 02:08:17.828 of trustees for military reservation school districts 02:08:17.867 --> 02:08:25.537 and Boys Ranch, independent school district. 02:08:25.537 --> 02:08:29.447 Ok. The A motion has been made, you have heard of members 02:08:29.457 --> 02:08:32.728 there coming is coming from a committee so there is 02:08:32.737 --> 02:08:36.168 no second required. Go ahead and open it up for debate 02:08:36.178 --> 02:08:40.146 at this point. Ok. If I could just say what happened 02:08:40.156 --> 02:08:43.766 during the committee meeting, this is the implementation 02:08:44.377 --> 02:08:51.048 of house bill 4210. And if you have your Green Bible 02:08:51.156 --> 02:08:58.097 that's amending 11.352 on page 64 here of the education 02:08:58.107 --> 02:09:03.457 code. What we're talking about is who is the commanding 02:09:03.467 --> 02:09:09.207 officer 02:09:09.207 --> 02:09:11.786 who is the commanding officer of the military school 02:09:11.798 --> 02:09:19.087 districts. The filed version of HB 4210 included language 02:09:19.097 --> 02:09:24.286 that the commanding officer had to reside on the base 02:09:26.016 --> 02:09:30.728 while the enrolled version took that language out and 02:09:30.737 --> 02:09:37.516 only had what we've amended on page 02:09:37.516 --> 02:09:46.188 423. So we as a committee ended up just putting in 02:09:46.447 --> 02:09:50.737 what the legislature told us. There was an amendment 02:09:50.747 --> 02:09:55.178 that failed, that said we would like the commanding 02:09:55.188 --> 02:09:58.896 officer to reside on the base. The issue here is we 02:09:58.906 --> 02:10:02.896 have a joint base. San Antonio General Drigger is the 02:10:02.906 --> 02:10:06.117 commanding officer of joint base San Antonio. I think 02:10:06.127 --> 02:10:09.068 for three bases, Mister Lucas is here in the room. 02:10:09.077 --> 02:10:12.217 He'll correct me. He is the staff who brings us these 02:10:12.228 --> 02:10:14.257 appointments just about every committee meeting. We 02:10:14.266 --> 02:10:17.526 have an appointment and we had some testimony from 02:10:17.646 --> 02:10:22.298 I believe Randolph Field that they would like the commanding 02:10:22.308 --> 02:10:25.617 officer to reside on Randolph Field and be stationed 02:10:25.627 --> 02:10:28.857 on Randolph Field. I personally was hesitant to do 02:10:28.867 --> 02:10:32.428 that for a couple of reasons. One is that's not where 02:10:32.438 --> 02:10:35.808 the legislature landed in terms of the enrolled version 02:10:35.818 --> 02:10:38.217 So that was stripped out, that was considered and stripped 02:10:38.228 --> 02:10:41.237 out in the legislature. And also, I don't want to tell 02:10:41.247 --> 02:10:44.386 General Drigger, it's great. You're general over joint 02:10:44.396 --> 02:10:47.847 base San Antonio. But we would prefer your nominations 02:10:47.857 --> 02:10:50.568 to come from someone else who resides on the base. 02:10:51.818 --> 02:10:55.247 That's just my personal take, happy to hear from other 02:10:55.257 --> 02:10:58.548 committee members or others in the room. But that was 02:10:58.558 --> 02:11:03.058 where we as a committee landed member, Perez. Thank 02:11:03.068 --> 02:11:06.627 you chairman. So MS Kay at this point, if you would 02:11:06.636 --> 02:11:09.266 I'm not sure if you were able to get the language, 02:11:09.276 --> 02:11:13.507 but if you please show the language for. Thank you 02:11:13.857 --> 02:11:19.438 Um So as a representative of uh the area that represents 02:11:19.447 --> 02:11:23.597 um joint base, San Antonio and having had some communication 02:11:23.607 --> 02:11:29.438 with our um uh our districts based on military bases 02:11:29.447 --> 02:11:32.877 I think um for, for me, it would make sense for us 02:11:32.886 --> 02:11:37.478 to reinstate this um this amendment um recognizing 02:11:37.487 --> 02:11:40.707 that we want some local, um some local control over 02:11:40.717 --> 02:11:43.697 who represents the State Board of Education. However 02:11:43.707 --> 02:11:47.036 I do want to acknowledge on the front and this amendment 02:11:47.048 --> 02:11:50.617 only speaks to the assignment of the school board. 02:11:50.627 --> 02:11:54.156 We are not in any way trying to dictate how the military 02:11:54.168 --> 02:11:58.347 operates um or impact the hierarchy. So I want to make 02:11:58.357 --> 02:12:02.457 that very, very clear um for the purposes of school 02:12:02.467 --> 02:12:05.728 board governance, it simply makes sense to have local 02:12:05.896 --> 02:12:09.247 um individuals uh and that local voice represented 02:12:09.257 --> 02:12:12.847 in the decision making. So, um I'd like to offer the 02:12:12.857 --> 02:12:16.967 amendment that you see before you that um again, um 02:12:17.447 --> 02:12:22.068 implements the uh the concept of having someone local 02:12:22.077 --> 02:12:27.548 represent that um that role. Um And I'm happy to answer 02:12:27.558 --> 02:12:31.837 any questions. 02:12:31.837 --> 02:12:35.818 We have a motion. Do we have a second? We have a 02:12:35.827 --> 02:12:39.678 motion and a second. Would you like to speak any more 02:12:39.688 --> 02:12:42.298 to your motion? Mr Perez Diaz? I think I, I think I've 02:12:42.308 --> 02:12:45.168 said enough. Thank you, 02:12:45.168 --> 02:12:49.377 Doctor Ellis member Maynard. Remember Picker 02:12:49.377 --> 02:12:52.577 if you can help me? I was in part of C SI 02:12:52.587 --> 02:12:54.928 yesterday, but not all of it. So I did not catch this 02:12:54.938 --> 02:12:59.178 item as Mister Hickman talked about this was an implementation 02:12:59.188 --> 02:13:03.428 of legislation. Is this consistent just for my purposes 02:13:03.438 --> 02:13:06.016 of what the legislation had or does this go to a different 02:13:06.026 --> 02:13:10.428 point? As far as I understand, we have the flexibility 02:13:10.438 --> 02:13:16.627 to, to follow this sort of this sort of process. The 02:13:16.636 --> 02:13:20.516 legislation was left pretty vague and I know that as 02:13:20.597 --> 02:13:24.548 member Hickman stated it was originally in the proposed 02:13:24.558 --> 02:13:29.457 language but not in the enrolled language and I a representative 02:13:29.467 --> 02:13:33.197 from the San Antonio area did um was the person who 02:13:33.207 --> 02:13:35.886 introduced this language and really didn't have a commitment 02:13:35.896 --> 02:13:39.967 one way or the other from what I understand. So, so 02:13:39.978 --> 02:13:42.136 this doesn't, this does not at all fly in the face 02:13:42.146 --> 02:13:45.007 of legislation. I think this, this more actually supports 02:13:45.016 --> 02:13:48.737 policy and good practice for if I could follow up, 02:13:48.827 --> 02:13:51.347 you said for, for my clarification, you said did not 02:13:51.357 --> 02:13:53.406 you said that person did not have a commitment. What 02:13:53.418 --> 02:13:55.938 what did you say? That's my understanding that, that 02:13:55.947 --> 02:13:59.818 it wasn't, it wasn't like a hard, you know, a hard 02:13:59.827 --> 02:14:03.558 line one way or the other on this particular top. Thank 02:14:03.568 --> 02:14:06.928 you may 02:14:06.928 --> 02:14:08.947 and, and I'm just trying to understand what we're, 02:14:08.957 --> 02:14:13.656 what we're trying to solve here. And so as I hear it 02:14:13.668 --> 02:14:17.357 is, is that so we're talking about the commanding officer 02:14:17.367 --> 02:14:21.516 who makes the appointments and what I'm hearing is 02:14:21.526 --> 02:14:25.178 the concern is, is that the one making the appointments 02:14:25.188 --> 02:14:28.447 is not necessarily the one that, that is residing on 02:14:28.457 --> 02:14:32.678 that base. And the concern is, or the perception is 02:14:32.688 --> 02:14:36.607 is that, that that command officer, 02:14:36.607 --> 02:14:39.808 they may not have as close a connection to that community 02:14:39.818 --> 02:14:44.117 on that base and is, is, is making those appointments 02:14:44.127 --> 02:14:49.987 based on, I don't know what and, and you know, and 02:14:49.997 --> 02:14:52.237 at the end of the day is, is that the reason we 02:14:52.247 --> 02:14:55.396 have trustees is that because they represent a community 02:14:55.786 --> 02:14:58.747 they represent the citizens, the patrons of the district 02:14:59.587 --> 02:15:03.377 And so in order for us to maybe facilitate that process 02:15:03.386 --> 02:15:06.636 where, where the person making the appointment has 02:15:06.646 --> 02:15:09.827 a connection with that community. We want that, that 02:15:09.837 --> 02:15:13.136 commanding officer to, to be someone who is residing 02:15:13.146 --> 02:15:16.507 in that community. Yes, sir. That, that's exactly what 02:15:16.516 --> 02:15:18.906 I'm trying to, you articulated it beautifully and, 02:15:19.188 --> 02:15:21.136 and I think, you know, just as a reminder, anybody 02:15:21.146 --> 02:15:26.396 living on a base is military, you know, military membership 02:15:26.406 --> 02:15:30.048 or military affiliated. So you still have that representation 02:15:30.257 --> 02:15:33.607 I think it's just, it speaks to the consistency that 02:15:33.617 --> 02:15:37.737 we see across school boards all over our state in terms 02:15:37.747 --> 02:15:40.298 of representation, 02:15:40.298 --> 02:15:42.847 Mister Chairman. And I'm going to ask another question 02:15:42.857 --> 02:15:46.377 because just, just as a, as a clarification and, and 02:15:46.386 --> 02:15:48.918 I think, I think we've got to now understand really 02:15:48.928 --> 02:15:52.247 what the, what the source of that is and what the intent 02:15:52.257 --> 02:15:56.318 is, but on a, on a, on a practical level in practice 02:15:57.918 --> 02:16:00.987 I mean, is there would there be some sort of issue 02:16:00.997 --> 02:16:05.286 in practice if we do that if, if you have a commander 02:16:05.298 --> 02:16:07.798 that is a, a joint commander that is essentially the 02:16:07.808 --> 02:16:10.646 commanding officer for, for two different bases and 02:16:10.656 --> 02:16:14.728 doesn't live on, on, on that base. So then if we say 02:16:14.737 --> 02:16:16.847 there has to be someone living on that base, then then 02:16:16.857 --> 02:16:21.656 who would, who would assume that mantle, you know, 02:16:21.668 --> 02:16:27.786 to, to, to that designation? And does that create issues 02:16:27.798 --> 02:16:31.548 just in terms within the the military framework and 02:16:31.558 --> 02:16:34.707 and all of that, 02:16:34.707 --> 02:16:37.957 whoever wants to answer that my belief is, you could 02:16:37.967 --> 02:16:41.766 probably solve that by saying the commanding officer 02:16:41.776 --> 02:16:44.237 of the base, which is served by the school or something 02:16:44.247 --> 02:16:52.318 to that, to that concept. 02:16:52.318 --> 02:16:55.957 What for me, this the reason I'm going to vote against 02:16:55.967 --> 02:16:59.156 this is this is telling the commanding officer of joint 02:16:59.168 --> 02:17:01.478 base San Antonio General Drigger who's been making 02:17:01.487 --> 02:17:05.228 the appointments for the three bases in his area is 02:17:05.237 --> 02:17:08.586 sorry, you're not good enough. We want somebody residing 02:17:08.596 --> 02:17:11.566 on that base and that would then be up to the military 02:17:11.576 --> 02:17:15.076 to decide who is the commanding officer of each, each 02:17:15.086 --> 02:17:17.576 of the bases. And it would be have to be someone stationed 02:17:17.586 --> 02:17:20.417 on each of the bases making the. So we're going from 02:17:21.148 --> 02:17:24.447 General Drigger as one for all three to each of the 02:17:24.457 --> 02:17:27.257 three would have to have their own commanding officer 02:17:27.826 --> 02:17:33.167 Also, just to add Mister Masa did say this sort of 02:17:33.177 --> 02:17:36.437 language is legal. We had a discussion about that yesterday 02:17:36.447 --> 02:17:39.368 and he came back. This is, we are permitted. I'm just 02:17:39.378 --> 02:17:42.747 hesitant for two reasons and I mentioned one is hp 02:17:42.757 --> 02:17:46.747 4210 considered this and then it was taken out. So 02:17:46.757 --> 02:17:49.677 we're kind of going against what the legislature did 02:17:49.878 --> 02:17:52.336 And also, I, I don't want to tell General Drigger, 02:17:52.658 --> 02:17:57.618 sorry, you can't appoint all three anymore. I want 02:17:57.628 --> 02:18:00.037 to leave this up to the military to decide who's the 02:18:00.046 --> 02:18:03.517 commanding officer for all three of the bases and just 02:18:03.527 --> 02:18:08.118 just as a follow up, I, I, is there a, 02:18:08.118 --> 02:18:12.346 I mean, you hear the concern 02:18:12.346 --> 02:18:18.427 is, is there a way to, to bridge that concern, you 02:18:18.437 --> 02:18:22.247 know, without creating some sort of umbrage to general 02:18:22.257 --> 02:18:24.326 Driggers? I mean, you know, is there a, is there a 02:18:24.336 --> 02:18:26.826 kind of a middle ground here that we can, where we 02:18:26.836 --> 02:18:30.066 can get to, I think it's a legislative process. If 02:18:30.076 --> 02:18:32.628 the legislature tells us to define it this way, then 02:18:32.638 --> 02:18:35.257 I'm, you know, I just, I try and stay in my lane 02:18:35.267 --> 02:18:38.257 and do what the education code and what the Bible says 02:18:38.267 --> 02:18:42.277 Right. So if, if we're going against what the legislature 02:18:42.287 --> 02:18:46.228 did, that makes me nervous 02:18:46.228 --> 02:18:48.187 member for s thank you. So I want to respond to a 02:18:48.197 --> 02:18:52.007 couple of things. First of all, I am in no way trying 02:18:52.017 --> 02:18:56.908 to disrespect General Drigger by commenting this, by 02:18:56.917 --> 02:19:00.878 by proposing this amendment in the same breath, I'm 02:19:00.888 --> 02:19:03.707 also in no way trying to disrespect the commanding 02:19:03.717 --> 02:19:07.007 officer at each air force base and want to allow them 02:19:07.017 --> 02:19:10.287 to, to serve as the representative for the community 02:19:10.296 --> 02:19:12.497 that they live in. Um, which makes perfect sense to 02:19:12.507 --> 02:19:15.927 me. I'll also say, um this is, I would argue within 02:19:15.937 --> 02:19:19.427 our lane because we are here to govern over Texas public 02:19:19.437 --> 02:19:23.868 education and our air Force bases. Um have Texas public 02:19:23.878 --> 02:19:26.717 schools on their campuses. So this is absolutely our 02:19:26.728 --> 02:19:31.388 responsibility. And um and I think that the most responsible 02:19:31.398 --> 02:19:35.898 thing we can do in terms of um recognizing and supporting 02:19:35.908 --> 02:19:40.128 community voice um is ensuring that they have representation 02:19:40.138 --> 02:19:42.987 in their own um in their own communities where they 02:19:42.997 --> 02:19:47.927 live and work and serve. Um So, um again, this isn't 02:19:47.937 --> 02:19:50.687 uh um this isn't trying to fly in the face of um 02:19:50.697 --> 02:19:54.527 the hierarchy of the military. This is strictly um 02:19:54.537 --> 02:19:58.846 regarding the school board governance piece which um 02:19:58.858 --> 02:20:01.747 you know, we preside over for all other Texas public 02:20:01.757 --> 02:20:06.197 school districts. So that's where I stand 02:20:06.197 --> 02:20:10.247 member Davis. I, sorry, I I told member Pickren earlier 02:20:10.257 --> 02:20:13.257 member Picker member Davis, member Hardy member CHS 02:20:14.957 --> 02:20:18.237 Um OK. So member mayor brought up some interesting 02:20:18.247 --> 02:20:20.537 questions. We've heard a lot of testimony about this 02:20:20.546 --> 02:20:25.747 in our committee um over the last few meetings. So 02:20:25.757 --> 02:20:29.697 number one, the superintendent of the school district 02:20:29.707 --> 02:20:33.237 here has testified on this and has given us a lot of 02:20:33.247 --> 02:20:36.316 reasons on why this is important to have someone local 02:20:36.326 --> 02:20:40.066 to the base serve as a trustee. They know the families 02:20:40.076 --> 02:20:43.326 they know the community, they know uh different bases 02:20:43.336 --> 02:20:46.658 have different challenges. This base has a very specific 02:20:46.667 --> 02:20:50.233 kind of duty in education. And so the people that live 02:20:50.243 --> 02:20:53.711 there who work there who serve there, they understand 02:20:53.721 --> 02:20:56.622 the challenges and the needs specifically of this base 02:20:56.931 --> 02:21:00.912 Um to comment on member Perez Diaz's comment. Um I 02:21:00.921 --> 02:21:03.023 think everybody here knows how much I love America 02:21:03.033 --> 02:21:07.562 and love our military in no way is this disparaging 02:21:07.652 --> 02:21:10.912 to General Driggers, amazing accomplishments and his 02:21:10.921 --> 02:21:15.858 service to our country. He has a fantastic, um uh military 02:21:15.868 --> 02:21:20.257 leader and I'm very thankful for his service. However 02:21:20.388 --> 02:21:26.108 these are Texas I SDS. These are Texas school districts 02:21:26.257 --> 02:21:29.086 that the State Board of Education and the commu and 02:21:29.096 --> 02:21:32.497 the committee of school initiatives has purview over 02:21:32.507 --> 02:21:37.056 they belong to us. And so, um at the time that the 02:21:37.066 --> 02:21:41.908 legislature was considering this rule adoption, the 02:21:41.917 --> 02:21:45.427 federal government had not made the rule yet that the 02:21:45.437 --> 02:21:49.326 decision could be made off base. And so that's something 02:21:49.336 --> 02:21:52.478 that has changed between the legislature last year 02:21:52.537 --> 02:21:57.507 and what we are deciding here today because we do need 02:21:57.517 --> 02:22:01.537 to look at that these bases have specific needs and 02:22:01.546 --> 02:22:04.947 it should be local people, people who live there, people 02:22:04.957 --> 02:22:07.757 who live their lives there, serving the Children and 02:22:07.767 --> 02:22:11.497 serving the teachers of these school districts. And 02:22:11.507 --> 02:22:13.648 so, like I said, the superintendent has provided us 02:22:13.658 --> 02:22:15.967 the superintendent of this base has provided us lots 02:22:15.978 --> 02:22:19.537 of information. And again, to member Maynard's point 02:22:19.546 --> 02:22:22.378 I don't think that you have to say that each base has 02:22:22.388 --> 02:22:25.777 to have someone in charge, which by the way, the superintendent 02:22:25.787 --> 02:22:28.316 did testify to us. There's already somebody basically 02:22:28.326 --> 02:22:30.888 in charge of the schools on each base. So this wouldn't 02:22:30.898 --> 02:22:35.566 create a problem for the military in this area, but 02:22:35.576 --> 02:22:38.747 you wouldn't need to assign someone on each base because 02:22:38.757 --> 02:22:42.287 general Drigger does live on one of the bases. So, 02:22:42.296 --> 02:22:44.777 I mean, he's, you wouldn't need somebody new there 02:22:44.787 --> 02:22:48.987 This would just say that, you know, local um local 02:22:48.997 --> 02:22:51.467 governance is best because each base kind of has its 02:22:51.478 --> 02:22:54.677 own mission and what they do, this base is pretty specific 02:22:54.687 --> 02:22:57.296 and, and who they help and what have you. So local 02:22:57.306 --> 02:23:01.358 governance would be best. 02:23:01.358 --> 02:23:03.777 Remember, Davis, 02:23:03.777 --> 02:23:07.728 I have had family to serve and live on basis, but it 02:23:07.737 --> 02:23:10.148 it hasn't been for an extended period of time, usually 02:23:10.158 --> 02:23:13.066 just a couple of years at a time. So I'm, I'm just 02:23:13.076 --> 02:23:15.697 wondering how this would affect that if you have somebody 02:23:15.707 --> 02:23:18.868 that's there maybe 23 years before they're reassigned 02:23:18.878 --> 02:23:21.086 I don't know if this would have any effect on that 02:23:25.177 --> 02:23:27.586 I'm sorry. I'm trying to understand the question is 02:23:27.596 --> 02:23:31.888 the, is the question about whether the trustee that 02:23:31.898 --> 02:23:35.368 is appointed would be soon to leave or the commanding 02:23:35.378 --> 02:23:38.908 officer, the commanding officer? I don't know how that 02:23:39.086 --> 02:23:41.566 how that movement happens. But is there a man mechanism 02:23:41.576 --> 02:23:45.187 if that commanding officer is reassigned to consistently 02:23:45.197 --> 02:23:48.237 have somebody? So it's, it's so that it's not always 02:23:48.247 --> 02:23:50.898 coming back to C SI, every time there's a movement 02:23:50.908 --> 02:23:52.957 like that or does it have to come back to C SI 02:23:53.056 --> 02:23:55.187 every time there's a reassignment for a commanding 02:23:55.197 --> 02:23:58.888 officer and they have to move to another base? I think 02:23:58.898 --> 02:24:03.707 there's a general timeline that the military follows 02:24:03.717 --> 02:24:08.417 on moving officers around. There's also ways to define 02:24:08.427 --> 02:24:11.108 who has that authority like G series orders and some 02:24:11.118 --> 02:24:14.228 things of that nature. So my take on it is that that's 02:24:14.237 --> 02:24:19.836 probably not the big, a big concern. 02:24:19.836 --> 02:24:23.898 Remember Hardy, I 02:24:23.898 --> 02:24:27.346 was trying to give people who haven't spoken the opportunity 02:24:29.118 --> 02:24:32.197 Ok. Member Hickman. 02:24:32.197 --> 02:24:34.658 Thank you. And Mister Lucas again is in the room. My 02:24:34.667 --> 02:24:39.296 understanding is these are twoyear appointments and 02:24:39.316 --> 02:24:42.826 if the appointment expires at the end of the two years 02:24:42.836 --> 02:24:45.487 so whoever the command, however, we define commanding 02:24:45.497 --> 02:24:47.816 officer, as soon as the commanding officer makes an 02:24:47.826 --> 02:24:50.336 appointment, it's good for two years and that remains 02:24:50.346 --> 02:24:55.056 in place and they can hold over as well if the new 02:24:55.066 --> 02:24:57.556 commanding officer coming in. I think to your question 02:24:57.796 --> 02:25:00.197 doesn't make an appointment that board member would 02:25:00.207 --> 02:25:03.757 continue to serve beyond two years until such time 02:25:03.767 --> 02:25:05.858 as the commanding officer makes an appointment and 02:25:05.868 --> 02:25:11.658 we approve here as the state board. 02:25:11.658 --> 02:25:14.108 Remember Harding, 02:25:14.108 --> 02:25:18.648 I am somewhat confused all the way around when we talk 02:25:18.658 --> 02:25:23.046 about the general. Is he making an appointment like 02:25:23.056 --> 02:25:27.287 one person or is it a whole board that oversees that 02:25:27.296 --> 02:25:33.148 particular base school? 02:25:33.148 --> 02:25:38.287 Number 81, he appoints the entire board but not all 02:25:38.296 --> 02:25:41.826 at one time. So we get to your appointments. And I 02:25:41.836 --> 02:25:45.527 think just about every C SI meeting, we have an appointment 02:25:45.537 --> 02:25:48.576 from one of the special purpose districts, one or more 02:25:48.747 --> 02:25:53.908 given that, why could this not the 02:25:53.908 --> 02:25:58.378 the recommendation be made that anyone who is serving 02:25:58.388 --> 02:26:02.908 on the board for the base. Be someone that is living 02:26:02.917 --> 02:26:06.287 on the base or that is connected to that base directly 02:26:12.287 --> 02:26:16.457 Thank you. That is that is required. So when the appointment 02:26:16.467 --> 02:26:20.967 is made, the board member has to be residing on the 02:26:20.978 --> 02:26:24.566 base. The issue at hand here is the commanding officer 02:26:24.576 --> 02:26:27.796 who makes the appointment. Does that commanding officer 02:26:27.806 --> 02:26:30.398 also have to reside on the base or can we have a 02:26:30.408 --> 02:26:34.167 joint base commander over multiple bases making appointments 02:26:34.177 --> 02:26:38.296 at all three? Is that clear? Yes, but the most important 02:26:38.306 --> 02:26:41.437 thing is that the persons that are being appointed 02:26:41.497 --> 02:26:46.378 are on that base itself. And that's the requirement 02:26:46.388 --> 02:26:53.066 What HB 4210 did add is that if they retire or they 02:26:53.076 --> 02:26:57.267 move, they can remain the remainder of their term? 02:26:57.747 --> 02:27:03.336 Ok, great. Thank you. 02:27:03.336 --> 02:27:07.148 Remember Child and member Picker. 02:27:07.148 --> 02:27:09.546 Thank you chairman. I just have a question for staff 02:27:09.556 --> 02:27:12.826 or for Chairman Hickson. Is there a way that we can 02:27:12.836 --> 02:27:16.326 keep the rule that um member Pettis Diaz has or the 02:27:16.336 --> 02:27:18.978 amendment that she's provided? But also carve out an 02:27:18.987 --> 02:27:23.487 exception for General Driggers situation as a subsection 02:27:31.287 --> 02:27:35.066 I, I'm receiving looks of confusion, so I'm not sure 02:27:35.076 --> 02:27:40.957 we understand your question. Member Childs. 02:27:40.957 --> 02:27:47.858 Is there a way that we can still allow General Driggers 02:27:47.868 --> 02:27:52.128 to be a commanding officer in his situation? But also 02:27:52.138 --> 02:27:54.826 uphold the amendment that member Pettis Diaz is providing 02:27:55.537 --> 02:27:59.898 if we pass her amendment? Yes, I think I have a clarifying 02:27:59.908 --> 02:28:03.836 question. Um So I think um member Picker spoke to that 02:28:03.846 --> 02:28:08.836 um earlier because um General Drigger is a, a, you 02:28:08.846 --> 02:28:12.368 know, a resident of one of the um bases, right? He 02:28:12.378 --> 02:28:15.316 could potentially serve as that commanding officer 02:28:15.326 --> 02:28:19.408 on that base. Um Is that, does that speak to what you're 02:28:19.417 --> 02:28:21.747 trying to accomplish? Because that's not like this 02:28:21.757 --> 02:28:27.187 this language wouldn't negate that. 02:28:27.187 --> 02:28:35.017 Ok. It, it just about gets there. Yes, 02:28:35.017 --> 02:28:38.927 Doctor Ellis, I'm not really dug in either side on 02:28:38.937 --> 02:28:40.638 this, but I'm just really trying to understand the 02:28:40.648 --> 02:28:43.717 problem. And MS Perez Diaz, you might be able to help 02:28:43.728 --> 02:28:45.898 me because this is your area. I can understand that 02:28:45.908 --> 02:28:48.217 there's three different school bases. One in Wisconsin 02:28:48.228 --> 02:28:51.767 one in New York and one in South Dakota that there's 02:28:51.787 --> 02:28:55.767 a, how close geographically are these three bases? 02:28:56.937 --> 02:28:59.228 That's a great question. Um They're spread out. Uh 02:28:59.237 --> 02:29:01.507 I mean, there, there are, there are independent school 02:29:01.517 --> 02:29:03.576 districts between each one of them and there. So you 02:29:03.586 --> 02:29:06.437 have one on the northeast side, one on the far east 02:29:06.447 --> 02:29:08.846 side and then one on the far southwest side of San 02:29:09.247 --> 02:29:12.237 Antonio Al. We have 17 school districts in San Antonio 02:29:12.247 --> 02:29:16.247 We're a little unique in that way. And I think member 02:29:16.257 --> 02:29:19.388 Pickren, you know, articulated it beautifully, like 02:29:19.437 --> 02:29:22.467 the needs are very different and they serve very different 02:29:22.478 --> 02:29:26.527 communities in those areas. So again, that's why I'm 02:29:26.537 --> 02:29:31.437 I'm advocating for local representation on the basis 02:29:31.596 --> 02:29:34.898 because I think there's also a better understanding 02:29:34.908 --> 02:29:37.027 of who would serve those needs. Well, when you live 02:29:37.037 --> 02:29:39.737 in the community, just trying to understand the geography 02:29:39.747 --> 02:29:42.467 of, and that's your area. 02:29:42.467 --> 02:29:44.787 I think perhaps one of the concerns I'm hearing Dr 02:29:44.978 --> 02:29:49.846 Ellis is that there is nothing in the way it's currently 02:29:49.858 --> 02:29:55.187 defined to say it needs to be General Drigger who I 02:29:55.197 --> 02:29:59.306 don't know, but he's the commander, I presume from 02:29:59.316 --> 02:30:02.858 this discussion of joint base, San Antonio, but he 02:30:02.868 --> 02:30:06.596 has a commander and he has a commander and he has or 02:30:06.608 --> 02:30:09.076 she has a commander all the way up to the president 02:30:09.086 --> 02:30:12.917 So we haven't defined at what level that could be directed 02:30:12.927 --> 02:30:18.537 I think is the issue here. 02:30:18.537 --> 02:30:22.017 Member Picker. Thank you, Mister Chairman. I just had 02:30:22.027 --> 02:30:25.608 one more point to what member Hardy was asking earlier 02:30:25.888 --> 02:30:30.566 General Drigger is also on a rotation. So I think if 02:30:30.576 --> 02:30:33.846 I recall correctly, I may be wrong on this. But I believe 02:30:33.858 --> 02:30:38.177 that the, the superintendent who testified before us 02:30:38.457 --> 02:30:40.997 that General Driggers, the joint base, not General 02:30:41.007 --> 02:30:42.658 Drigger. I hate to make this about him. He's such a 02:30:42.667 --> 02:30:47.076 distinguished man, an honored man that position, the 02:30:47.086 --> 02:30:50.267 joint base commander position rotates every two or 02:30:50.277 --> 02:30:52.947 three years, every few years. So it's someone coming 02:30:52.957 --> 02:30:56.066 from somewhere in the military to this position every 02:30:56.076 --> 02:30:59.398 couple of years. That's correct. And I agree we shouldn't 02:30:59.408 --> 02:31:02.158 make, this is not about General Driggers. This is about 02:31:02.167 --> 02:31:04.638 where in the hierarchy of the chain of command. That 02:31:04.648 --> 02:31:06.796 decision should be made is really the issue at hand 02:31:09.787 --> 02:31:12.787 Remember Davis? Thank you for that clarification. That 02:31:12.796 --> 02:31:14.747 kind of goes back to what I'm saying. So when you have 02:31:14.757 --> 02:31:18.076 a new commanding officer coming in every two years 02:31:18.128 --> 02:31:20.118 would they know the people are there to be able to 02:31:20.128 --> 02:31:22.947 make these appointments or who would they be relying 02:31:22.957 --> 02:31:25.507 on to give them information about who would be a good 02:31:25.517 --> 02:31:31.237 appointment? 02:31:31.237 --> 02:31:34.628 Member for SDS. Thank you for that. Um Member Davis 02:31:34.638 --> 02:31:37.787 I think as a resident in that community, they're much 02:31:37.796 --> 02:31:40.447 closer to the, to, you know, to people around them 02:31:40.457 --> 02:31:43.148 where they live so they can talk to individuals. But 02:31:43.158 --> 02:31:45.908 um I think, you know, Hickman mentioned earlier. Um 02:31:45.917 --> 02:31:50.108 you see reappointments frequently every board meeting 02:31:50.118 --> 02:31:52.787 for um the people that are actually literally serving 02:31:52.806 --> 02:31:56.122 in this position because of the mobility of the military 02:31:56.132 --> 02:32:00.603 So there isn't a way around that part of it. Um But 02:32:00.612 --> 02:32:03.912 but, but to your point, I think because we have local 02:32:03.921 --> 02:32:06.451 more localized representation, they're much closer 02:32:06.461 --> 02:32:10.332 to the, to the people in the area versus um you know 02:32:10.342 --> 02:32:13.832 having, having somebody away from the community that 02:32:13.842 --> 02:32:20.507 is also highly mobile in that sense. 02:32:20.507 --> 02:32:26.846 Further questions or discussion members. 02:32:26.846 --> 02:32:29.007 OK. 02:32:29.007 --> 02:32:33.507 Are we ready to vote on member Perez Diaz's Amendment 02:32:35.836 --> 02:32:39.427 Ok. All those in favor of member Perez Diaz Amendment 02:32:39.437 --> 02:32:51.908 please show by raising your hand 02:32:51.908 --> 02:32:55.677 11. Thank you. All those opposed, please show by raising 02:32:55.687 --> 02:33:06.618 your hand 02:33:06.618 --> 02:33:10.237 three Thank you. 11 to 3 member Perez Diaz amendment 02:33:10.247 --> 02:33:13.957 passes. 02:33:13.957 --> 02:33:27.398 Ok, I think we're back to. This is Paul. 02:33:27.398 --> 02:33:30.017 Ok, this was pulled off consent. We're back to the 02:33:30.027 --> 02:33:34.846 main motion to adopt this. Is there any further discussion 02:33:34.858 --> 02:33:39.728 or amendments to the main motion? 02:33:39.728 --> 02:33:42.596 Ok. You ready to vote 02:33:42.596 --> 02:33:46.086 all those in favor, please show by raising your hand 02:33:54.437 --> 02:33:57.836 13. Thank you. All those opposed. Please show by raising 02:33:57.846 --> 02:34:01.027 your hand. 02:34:01.027 --> 02:34:08.497 0 13 to 0 the motion passes. Ok. There it's 1203. We've 02:34:08.508 --> 02:34:13.307 been going for three hours now. Um a few more things 02:34:13.318 --> 02:34:15.467 to get through, but I think they, they may take some 02:34:15.478 --> 02:34:17.597 time as well. So if you go ahead and ask if we 02:34:17.606 --> 02:34:21.267 take about a 12 minute break and come back at 1215 02:34:21.278 --> 02:34:24.956 and pick up here. 02:34:24.956 --> 02:34:33.497 Ok. Standard is. Thank you. 02:34:33.497 --> 02:34:39.936 Ok, members, welcome back. We are on, let's see. Item 02:34:39.947 --> 02:34:43.876 number eight in the committee. 02:34:43.876 --> 02:34:46.258 My numbering is off now. Item number nine, I think 02:34:46.267 --> 02:34:50.217 for today now that we've maybe more but the consent 02:34:50.228 --> 02:34:53.137 items we pulled off. Nonetheless. We're in the committee 02:34:53.146 --> 02:34:56.978 of school on school initiatives. The next item is proposed 02:34:56.988 --> 02:35:01.396 amendment to 19 T ac chapter 157 hearings and appeals 02:35:01.407 --> 02:35:07.367 subchapter D independent hearing examiners 157 41 certification 02:35:07.376 --> 02:35:09.827 criteria for independent hearing examiners. Second 02:35:09.838 --> 02:35:13.048 reading, final adoption. It's in your agenda book, 02:35:13.057 --> 02:35:17.738 Roman numeral 427 member Hickman. Thank you, Mister 02:35:17.747 --> 02:35:20.447 Chairman. We finished our opening act of the consent 02:35:20.456 --> 02:35:23.456 Now we're into the good stuff. 02:35:23.456 --> 02:35:25.588 The committee on school initiatives recommends to the 02:35:25.597 --> 02:35:27.856 State Board of Education that they approve for second 02:35:27.867 --> 02:35:30.528 reading and final adoption. The proposed amendment 02:35:30.537 --> 02:35:34.838 to 19 tac Chapter 157 hearings and appeals subchapter 02:35:34.847 --> 02:35:40.008 D independent Hearing examiners section 157.41 certification 02:35:40.017 --> 02:35:43.427 criteria for independent hearing examiners and make 02:35:43.436 --> 02:35:46.387 an affirmative finding that immediate adoption of the 02:35:46.396 --> 02:35:51.068 proposed amendment to 19 tac chapter 157 hearings and 02:35:51.077 --> 02:35:53.747 appeals subchapter D independent hearing examiners 02:35:53.758 --> 02:35:57.847 Section 157.41 certification criteria for independent 02:35:57.856 --> 02:36:01.456 hearing examiners is necessary and shall have an effective 02:36:01.467 --> 02:36:04.427 date of 20 days after filing as adopted with the Texas 02:36:04.436 --> 02:36:08.916 register. Thank you member Hickman. Members. You've 02:36:08.927 --> 02:36:10.738 heard the motion which comes from a committee needs 02:36:10.747 --> 02:36:13.617 no second. This motion is presented for second reading 02:36:13.626 --> 02:36:17.376 and final adoption by our rules. 02:36:17.376 --> 02:36:19.936 Any proposed amendments had to be presented by staff 02:36:20.637 --> 02:36:24.606 Never mind. Notable here. 02:36:24.606 --> 02:36:29.677 You've heard the the motion. No second required. No 02:36:29.686 --> 02:36:33.267 amendments have been offered that we're aware of. Does 02:36:33.278 --> 02:36:37.106 anyone have any amendments to offer? Can I speak? Sure 02:36:37.677 --> 02:36:42.307 Just to introduce this. This is a idea of member childs 02:36:42.318 --> 02:36:47.097 to make more attorneys eligible to be independent hearing 02:36:47.106 --> 02:36:52.247 examiners. It's adding on page 431 3 different types 02:36:52.258 --> 02:36:57.626 of law specialization as well as lessening the requirement 02:36:57.637 --> 02:37:00.146 for five years'. Experience to three years'. Experience 02:37:00.967 --> 02:37:05.436 Mister Masa explained well, during committee that some 02:37:05.447 --> 02:37:08.238 I think El Paso and you may have mentioned another 02:37:08.247 --> 02:37:10.717 location. Don't always have enough hearing, independent 02:37:10.728 --> 02:37:12.697 hearing examiners locally and they have to fly someone 02:37:12.706 --> 02:37:15.548 in. So this is trying to make sure that we have enough 02:37:15.557 --> 02:37:17.677 independent hearing examiners to cover the whole state 02:37:22.758 --> 02:37:30.247 Ok. Is there any further discussion or debate 02:37:30.247 --> 02:37:34.528 ready this all those in favor of the motion? Please 02:37:34.537 --> 02:37:46.738 show by raising your hand. 02:37:46.738 --> 02:37:49.356 Thank you. All those opposed, please show by raising 02:37:49.367 --> 02:37:52.887 your hand. 02:37:52.887 --> 02:37:58.606 010. The motion passes. The next item is review and 02:37:58.617 --> 02:38:03.247 adoption of proposed amendments to 19 T A chapter 233 02:38:03.258 --> 02:38:06.166 categories of classroom teaching certificates in your 02:38:06.177 --> 02:38:12.327 agenda. Exhibit members. It's rom numeral 433. 02:38:12.327 --> 02:38:14.997 Uh Hickman. 02:38:14.997 --> 02:38:17.847 Thank you, Mister Chairman. The Committee on school 02:38:17.856 --> 02:38:20.097 initiatives recommends to the State Board of action 02:38:20.568 --> 02:38:23.177 that they take no action on the proposed amendments 02:38:23.186 --> 02:38:27.376 to 19 tac chapter 233 categories of classroom teaching 02:38:27.387 --> 02:38:32.298 certificates. 02:38:32.298 --> 02:38:36.988 Is there any debate or discussion member Brooks? Thank 02:38:36.997 --> 02:38:39.876 you. 02:38:39.876 --> 02:38:46.436 I wanted to just simply ask te a about this with this 02:38:46.488 --> 02:38:53.356 new chapter or these with these revisions here. What 02:38:53.367 --> 02:38:58.456 is the purpose of calling them core? So, um I'm looking 02:38:58.467 --> 02:39:04.146 at the existing um teaching requirements here in this 02:39:04.157 --> 02:39:09.997 category and I'm just trying to understand um the addition 02:39:10.008 --> 02:39:12.838 of these five when most of the language is already 02:39:12.847 --> 02:39:17.017 here, what changes and, and why core, why are we naming 02:39:17.028 --> 02:39:21.767 it? Renaming everything here, core, core, core? I guess 02:39:21.778 --> 02:39:23.927 I'm trying to 02:39:23.927 --> 02:39:30.177 understand the uh the, the what were the, the pro the 02:39:30.217 --> 02:39:32.146 issues? 02:39:32.146 --> 02:39:35.896 Chair Kinsey, if it's ok for me to respond to member 02:39:35.907 --> 02:39:38.807 Brooks, I'm happy to thank you so much. Um Thank you 02:39:38.818 --> 02:39:41.847 for the question member Brooks. Um Our purpose is so 02:39:41.856 --> 02:39:45.278 core is going to sort of help clarify to the field 02:39:45.287 --> 02:39:47.807 the replacement for the reference to the current core 02:39:47.818 --> 02:39:51.508 subjects examinations. So when these new tests come 02:39:51.517 --> 02:39:54.238 on board later in the year, we will be coming back 02:39:54.247 --> 02:39:57.447 to you to sort of strike the previous certificate areas 02:39:57.456 --> 02:40:01.298 that we're issuing. So it's going to you, right, Symantec 02:40:01.307 --> 02:40:04.907 somewhat retain the fact, the core will still be relevant 02:40:04.916 --> 02:40:08.376 to all of those core subject areas. But in some cases 02:40:08.387 --> 02:40:12.827 we're also combining certificate areas. So it's just 02:40:12.838 --> 02:40:15.847 to make sure in the future there is a difference between 02:40:15.856 --> 02:40:18.287 the core subject certificates that people are currently 02:40:18.298 --> 02:40:22.338 being issued versus the new exams that will be in place 02:40:22.347 --> 02:40:24.988 several years down the road. Ok. And I have another 02:40:24.997 --> 02:40:28.126 question to follow up on that. Ok. So for example, 02:40:28.137 --> 02:40:38.867 here, the science of Reading E 22 33.2. So 233.2 this 02:40:38.876 --> 02:40:43.037 talks about, um, just the science of reading, special 02:40:43.048 --> 02:40:45.657 education with the science of teaching, reading. And 02:40:45.666 --> 02:40:52.617 then when I go down here to 233.8 this the original 02:40:52.626 --> 02:40:55.186 A says core subjects with science of teaching, reading 02:40:55.197 --> 02:40:59.497 special education, early childhood, grade six, to grade 02:40:59.508 --> 02:41:02.597 six, the core subjects with science of teaching, reading 02:41:02.606 --> 02:41:05.767 special education early. So all this deals with literacy 02:41:05.778 --> 02:41:10.416 here but, but when you changed it to a, it's, it's 02:41:10.517 --> 02:41:14.528 it has a very different meaning. So bilingual, special 02:41:14.537 --> 02:41:17.907 education supplemental and I'm on page 375. In our 02:41:17.916 --> 02:41:22.677 bill, our books, our agendas, bilingual, special education 02:41:22.686 --> 02:41:24.807 supplemental early education through grade 12, the 02:41:24.818 --> 02:41:27.896 bilingual special education supplement, early childhood 02:41:27.907 --> 02:41:31.217 through grade 12 certificate may be issued. So this 02:41:31.228 --> 02:41:36.436 is, is a totally separate 02:41:36.436 --> 02:41:42.057 line here item here in place of a. So 02:41:42.057 --> 02:41:44.927 what was the purpose of that? Was it moved somewhere 02:41:44.936 --> 02:41:48.847 else? 02:41:48.847 --> 02:41:54.247 Member member Brooks if I can? So we did a couple of 02:41:54.258 --> 02:41:57.956 things here. Let me try to explain. So on 4-37 where 02:41:57.967 --> 02:42:01.728 you're looking um 2 33.8 the special education. So 02:42:01.738 --> 02:42:05.478 your question first about the reference to um proposed 02:42:05.488 --> 02:42:09.028 new a bilingual special education supplemental early 02:42:09.037 --> 02:42:11.637 childhood through grade 12. That's a new certificate 02:42:11.646 --> 02:42:14.677 we're proposing, adding um in response to legislation 02:42:14.947 --> 02:42:18.106 you are absolutely spot on. Correct that right underneath 02:42:18.117 --> 02:42:21.588 it, the original A that was core subjects with science 02:42:21.597 --> 02:42:24.447 of teaching, reading, special education. We struck 02:42:24.456 --> 02:42:29.657 it there in 2 33.8 because we moved it up to 2 02:42:29.666 --> 02:42:34.447 33.2 to be reflected in all the other core with special 02:42:34.456 --> 02:42:38.247 education certificates. So it's sort of a, we didn't 02:42:38.258 --> 02:42:40.327 need to have the core subject to science of teaching 02:42:40.338 --> 02:42:43.577 reading, special education, EC through six. Down in 02:42:43.588 --> 02:42:47.557 2 33.8 we wanted to move it up with the rest of 02:42:47.568 --> 02:42:53.017 the family of core certificates in 233.2. And that 02:42:53.028 --> 02:42:56.896 helps. Yes, thank you. And so the goal here was to 02:42:57.048 --> 02:43:01.318 what in a, for a teacher at the end of the day 02:43:01.327 --> 02:43:04.557 the goal is to update this chapter of certificates 02:43:04.568 --> 02:43:09.376 that ECs currently issuing to show you all foreshadowing 02:43:09.387 --> 02:43:12.686 for the field and to give programs who are also preparing 02:43:12.697 --> 02:43:16.017 candidates for these certificates. Enough way if you 02:43:16.028 --> 02:43:19.197 will to know what certificates are coming up in by 02:43:19.206 --> 02:43:24.206 2027 2028 we thought for efficiency and rulemaking 02:43:24.217 --> 02:43:27.436 to go ahead and get this information into the rules 02:43:27.447 --> 02:43:30.387 our processes usually have certificates adopted into 02:43:30.396 --> 02:43:34.146 rule first while we're also then preparing exams and 02:43:34.157 --> 02:43:37.367 standards so that the public knows this is really going 02:43:37.376 --> 02:43:41.217 to happen. And also just for everyone out of out of 02:43:41.228 --> 02:43:43.637 sheer transparency to sort of understand the changes 02:43:43.646 --> 02:43:47.548 coming. We will be back when these are available to 02:43:47.557 --> 02:43:50.588 then phase out the older certificates so that there's 02:43:50.597 --> 02:43:53.238 no confusion in the field that transition has taken 02:43:53.247 --> 02:43:56.008 place. Those folks who are getting these certificates 02:43:56.017 --> 02:43:58.372 will continue continue to be able to utilize them. 02:43:58.512 --> 02:44:00.903 But we want to keep this record current with what Espe 02:44:01.182 --> 02:44:04.863 is issuing. So these new certificates with your support 02:44:04.952 --> 02:44:07.403 allow us to continue the work and let folks know what 02:44:07.412 --> 02:44:10.383 is coming in a few years. So I have a question on 02:44:10.392 --> 02:44:16.057 that. So there is a, an assessment certification, uh 02:44:16.068 --> 02:44:21.318 for teachers that changed, uh, 391 or I don't. And 02:44:21.327 --> 02:44:25.197 so I have teachers who have the, the, the test before 02:44:25.206 --> 02:44:28.778 it took the test before and pass those subject content 02:44:28.997 --> 02:44:32.258 and, and they have to take it again and pay again. 02:44:33.197 --> 02:44:37.077 Well, they're so if, if they've taken the exams and 02:44:37.088 --> 02:44:40.077 passed them and been issued the certificate, they're 02:44:40.088 --> 02:44:43.617 fine, they won't have to come back and repeat if you 02:44:43.626 --> 02:44:47.238 happen to have any constituents who may have been attempting 02:44:47.247 --> 02:44:51.657 to pass the former test 291. And if they didn't get 02:44:51.666 --> 02:44:55.238 that finished by the deadline before the new 391 then 02:44:55.247 --> 02:44:58.318 yes, ma'am. Those folks may have had some repeat testing 02:44:58.327 --> 02:45:01.568 to take. But I just want to clarify. If you have anyone 02:45:01.577 --> 02:45:04.798 who has completed all of the testing process being 02:45:04.807 --> 02:45:08.318 issued that standard certificate, they're fine. They 02:45:08.327 --> 02:45:11.367 just would need to renew it every five years and continue 02:45:11.548 --> 02:45:14.807 working and utilizing that certification. So, so they 02:45:14.818 --> 02:45:18.077 were, some people were still allowed to take this assessment 02:45:18.088 --> 02:45:21.896 and not get certification before 391 came in. What 02:45:21.907 --> 02:45:24.097 about is that a situation that could have happened 02:45:24.106 --> 02:45:28.508 No, 291 had a clear deadline. And so for those individuals 02:45:28.517 --> 02:45:31.436 who were taking the previous version 291 which would 02:45:31.447 --> 02:45:34.577 have been a core subjects examination as well, there 02:45:34.588 --> 02:45:37.967 was a deadline for use of those scores. Any individuals 02:45:37.978 --> 02:45:41.478 who didn't get everything taken care of to qualify 02:45:41.488 --> 02:45:44.617 for issuance of the certificate then had to transition 02:45:44.626 --> 02:45:48.068 to take the new 391 assessment. So there was a clean 02:45:48.077 --> 02:45:51.818 break, definitely with enough forewarning for everyone 02:45:52.186 --> 02:45:54.728 to make sure if you were going to use that exam, you 02:45:54.738 --> 02:45:57.456 had to finish all requirements and have the certificate 02:45:57.467 --> 02:46:00.827 issued by a deadline. Otherwise you had to start taking 02:46:00.838 --> 02:46:03.478 the the assessment that's currently in place, the 391 02:46:03.488 --> 02:46:05.916 that you're referring to. And so with this addition 02:46:05.927 --> 02:46:09.706 it's not by no means watering down the qualifications 02:46:09.717 --> 02:46:14.588 of the teachers that we are still hiring for our schools 02:46:14.626 --> 02:46:18.032 No, ma'am not at all. And you'll see on some of these 02:46:18.041 --> 02:46:21.173 what we're also trying to do is with the combination 02:46:21.182 --> 02:46:23.923 of some of the certificates that you mentioned. We're 02:46:23.932 --> 02:46:26.731 trying to also streamline the number of exams that 02:46:26.742 --> 02:46:29.532 those individuals would have to take to become certified 02:46:29.552 --> 02:46:33.113 but still same content, still same, same expectations 02:46:33.372 --> 02:46:38.186 Thank you. No more questions. Sincere. 02:46:38.186 --> 02:46:47.106 Any further discussion members? 02:46:47.106 --> 02:46:49.978 Are we ready to vote 02:46:49.978 --> 02:46:53.057 all those in favor of the motion? Please show by raising 02:46:53.068 --> 02:47:09.657 your hand. 02:47:09.657 --> 02:47:24.517 Please raise your hands high 02:47:24.517 --> 02:47:27.077 10. Thank you. All those opposed. Please raise your 02:47:27.088 --> 02:47:33.967 hand 02:47:33.967 --> 02:47:38.778 10 0. The motion passes. The next item is review of 02:47:38.787 --> 02:47:44.617 adoption of proposed amendments to 19 T A chapter 239 02:47:44.626 --> 02:47:47.597 student services certificates, subchapter A school 02:47:47.606 --> 02:47:51.717 counselor certificate, 2200 and 39.20 requirements 02:47:51.728 --> 02:47:54.738 for issuance of the standard school counselor certificate 02:47:55.088 --> 02:48:00.436 in your agenda book that is on Roman numeral 4-38. 02:48:01.166 --> 02:48:04.367 Remember Hickman. Thank you, Mister Chairman. The Committee 02:48:04.376 --> 02:48:06.267 on school initiatives recommends to the State Board 02:48:06.278 --> 02:48:08.557 of Education that they take no action on the proposed 02:48:08.568 --> 02:48:13.267 amendment 19 tac chapter 239 student services certificate 02:48:13.278 --> 02:48:16.338 subchapter, a school's counselors certificate, section 02:48:16.347 --> 02:48:21.106 239.20 requirements for the issue of the standard school 02:48:21.117 --> 02:48:26.488 counselors certificate. 02:48:26.488 --> 02:48:29.577 Ok. You've heard the motion members does not require 02:48:29.588 --> 02:48:32.838 a second member. Hickman. Would you like to speak to 02:48:32.847 --> 02:48:35.436 us? Yeah, if I can introduce this one, thank you, Mister 02:48:35.447 --> 02:48:40.916 Chairman. This is making a change required by SB 798 02:48:41.287 --> 02:48:46.838 which removed the requirement that a school counselor 02:48:47.126 --> 02:48:51.686 must have classroom teacher experience of two years 02:48:51.697 --> 02:48:56.606 or more. So that change is in 442. This is one of 02:48:56.617 --> 02:49:00.677 several items we're doing today. Our options are take 02:49:00.686 --> 02:49:04.017 no action which we did last time. The last item or 02:49:04.028 --> 02:49:07.376 to veto 02:49:07.376 --> 02:49:13.867 discussion. Brooks Mister Chairman. So on this, the 02:49:13.876 --> 02:49:18.267 SB 798 bill states that the qualifications for certification 02:49:18.278 --> 02:49:21.186 as a school counselor may not include a requirement 02:49:21.436 --> 02:49:24.008 that a candidate for certification have experience 02:49:24.017 --> 02:49:27.548 as a classroom teacher. That's the mandate. However 02:49:27.557 --> 02:49:33.508 after reviewing the meeting um through spec on February 02:49:33.517 --> 02:49:37.967 16th this year, Dr Elizabeth Rogers from Texas Counseling 02:49:37.978 --> 02:49:41.548 Associations made a very good point. And so her point 02:49:41.557 --> 02:49:45.747 was there are ways to ensure that counselors are still 02:49:45.758 --> 02:49:49.427 qualified and have some experience in the schools and 02:49:49.436 --> 02:49:52.617 classrooms before coming in and serving as a counselor 02:49:52.626 --> 02:49:55.517 in our schools. And so she went on to just say in 02:49:55.528 --> 02:50:00.057 places like Arkansas for teachers to uh our counselors 02:50:00.068 --> 02:50:03.103 and want to hold a certificate to co uh as co in 02:50:03.113 --> 02:50:06.103 the school system, they're required to pass a state 02:50:06.113 --> 02:50:09.802 test for principals and learning and teaching, which 02:50:09.813 --> 02:50:12.853 focuses on pedagogy, which is important because if 02:50:12.863 --> 02:50:15.592 I'm just a counselor, like a family counselor or any 02:50:15.603 --> 02:50:18.253 counselor, if I'm not familiar with the environment 02:50:18.463 --> 02:50:22.474 and the DNA of a school that's not going to really 02:50:22.483 --> 02:50:25.668 carry me very far. It's, it's the same as a principal 02:50:25.679 --> 02:50:28.289 in some states. A principal is required to have had 02:50:28.300 --> 02:50:30.800 classroom experience as a teacher. And that's because 02:50:31.008 --> 02:50:33.418 you need to understand the people you're servicing 02:50:33.570 --> 02:50:35.639 So if we have counselors and they're going into the 02:50:35.650 --> 02:50:38.110 classrooms and they're servicing our young people, 02:50:38.130 --> 02:50:40.159 there should be a level of understanding of what the 02:50:40.168 --> 02:50:44.019 pedagogy is for teaching, what the uh uh the the school 02:50:44.030 --> 02:50:46.400 environment is like, they need to know special education 02:50:46.409 --> 02:50:50.186 law. Uh There's still important information that they 02:50:50.197 --> 02:50:54.666 should hold. So there's ways around s uh SB 798 as 02:50:54.677 --> 02:50:58.896 this uh the, the item is, is written, I totally disagree 02:50:58.907 --> 02:51:02.867 with it because again, we want to make sure that anyone 02:51:02.876 --> 02:51:06.478 who was in front of our Children are well qualified 02:51:06.577 --> 02:51:10.117 without the uh uh presence of a parent being there 02:51:10.126 --> 02:51:13.416 in that room with them. And so my advice is the same 02:51:13.427 --> 02:51:18.228 as what Doctor Rogers a advice. when she came before 02:51:18.238 --> 02:51:21.238 the board, she talked about also how California requires 02:51:21.258 --> 02:51:26.068 a 100 hour practicum and a 600 hour internship under 02:51:26.077 --> 02:51:28.738 the supervision of a licensed school counselor. And 02:51:28.747 --> 02:51:30.767 there's a lot of other states who have gone around 02:51:30.778 --> 02:51:33.568 the same law that was passed through their legislators 02:51:33.838 --> 02:51:38.478 the same way. But it is to ensure that that our, our 02:51:38.488 --> 02:51:42.467 counselors have a level of understanding of the students 02:51:42.478 --> 02:51:45.228 that they're serving when they go into our public schools 02:51:45.238 --> 02:51:49.798 Thank you. 02:51:49.798 --> 02:51:54.577 Thank you. This is only to implement the legislation 02:51:54.588 --> 02:52:00.117 SB 798. And that's striking number four in rule 230,920 02:52:00.126 --> 02:52:05.577 on 442 of our agenda. The illustrious MS Cook may, 02:52:05.588 --> 02:52:10.356 may add to this, but the requirements of 123 are still 02:52:10.367 --> 02:52:13.738 in place of completing a school, counsel preparation 02:52:13.747 --> 02:52:17.028 program, completing the examination requirements and 02:52:17.037 --> 02:52:19.978 holding a 48 hour master's degree. I don't know. Please 02:52:19.988 --> 02:52:23.787 correct me, MS Cooke Chair Hickman. You said it beautifully 02:52:23.798 --> 02:52:27.088 And MS Brooks, that's what I was, I was going to also 02:52:27.097 --> 02:52:31.717 emphasize all of the other requirements, the 48 hours 02:52:31.847 --> 02:52:34.646 in master, master's degree rather in counseling. So 02:52:34.657 --> 02:52:38.353 everything else that you see on the 42 stands in place 02:52:38.363 --> 02:52:41.653 for an individual to be credited and go through a rigorous 02:52:41.662 --> 02:52:45.912 school counseling program for um issuance of that certificate 02:52:46.052 --> 02:52:49.372 I will say also the testimony that was received at 02:52:49.383 --> 02:52:52.722 the SEC meeting. Um Certainly the board understood 02:52:52.967 --> 02:52:56.318 the feedback from MS Rogers and certainly, I believe 02:52:56.327 --> 02:52:59.967 comments were made in that meeting that we have a directive 02:52:59.978 --> 02:53:03.247 to implement this, this legislation and get this through 02:53:03.258 --> 02:53:07.048 There's a timeline on aspect to move on this. So we 02:53:07.057 --> 02:53:09.508 want to honor that legislation, but certainly, it does 02:53:09.517 --> 02:53:12.347 not preclude us in the future from having additional 02:53:12.356 --> 02:53:16.028 conversations about the requirements for certification 02:53:16.396 --> 02:53:18.577 That's as much as I could say without getting myself 02:53:18.588 --> 02:53:21.416 in any form of trouble. But the purpose of this item 02:53:21.427 --> 02:53:25.146 really striking this was simply to go ahead and meet 02:53:25.157 --> 02:53:27.936 the requirements of the legislation that was directed 02:53:27.947 --> 02:53:31.666 to do 02:53:31.666 --> 02:53:34.896 Brooks. I appreciate that input. But I also know that 02:53:34.907 --> 02:53:38.597 currently they're, they're only required to have 160 02:53:38.606 --> 02:53:42.117 hours as licensed with under the supervision of a licensed 02:53:42.126 --> 02:53:45.887 counselor here. And, and my objection again is that's 02:53:45.896 --> 02:53:50.592 not enough. And so, and we could still stay within 02:53:50.762 --> 02:53:54.052 be compliant with the mandate with the law, but just 02:53:54.061 --> 02:53:59.492 have a again, that requirement of classroom experience 02:53:59.782 --> 02:54:06.162 as, as, as still at the forefront of our um of our 02:54:06.173 --> 02:54:12.048 goal here for this. But thank you for your input. No 02:54:12.057 --> 02:54:14.988 and I, I appreciate the feedback member Brooks. I think 02:54:14.997 --> 02:54:17.387 the thing that I can say without getting myself in 02:54:17.396 --> 02:54:21.967 any trouble is um we, we did have testimony at the 02:54:21.978 --> 02:54:26.186 February aspect meeting um and, and feedback about 02:54:26.197 --> 02:54:29.907 this and a strong request that after we get through 02:54:29.916 --> 02:54:32.847 with this rulemaking to look for a future opportunity 02:54:32.856 --> 02:54:35.588 where we can rook at the requirements for school counselor 02:54:35.597 --> 02:54:39.126 certification. I I would be, you know, in a lot of 02:54:39.137 --> 02:54:42.228 trouble and not a smart person to commit to anything 02:54:42.238 --> 02:54:44.967 But I do want to assure you, I've, I've written down 02:54:44.978 --> 02:54:47.747 some of your comments as well and a concern there. 02:54:47.807 --> 02:54:50.597 But our hope is that, you know, with, with the board's 02:54:50.606 --> 02:54:53.588 support today, we're able to get this through the finish 02:54:53.597 --> 02:54:56.548 line so that we can say we implemented the legislation 02:54:56.557 --> 02:54:59.508 with an understanding that there's a future opportunity 02:54:59.517 --> 02:55:02.206 to sort of look at this with our board as they indicated 02:55:02.217 --> 02:55:04.787 in interest as well and see what we could do in the 02:55:04.798 --> 02:55:07.238 future for school counselor certification requirements 02:55:07.247 --> 02:55:11.338 as a whole members. Just as a reminder, we only have 02:55:11.347 --> 02:55:14.347 two options here which is to veto or take no action 02:55:14.356 --> 02:55:19.137 on this item member, Hardy. 02:55:19.137 --> 02:55:21.126 Mhm. 02:55:21.126 --> 02:55:25.947 It is kind of a backward situation we're in because 02:55:26.646 --> 02:55:30.146 it doesn't matter. We can veto it. But if the legislation 02:55:30.157 --> 02:55:34.186 says you're gonna do it, then why does that, uh, why 02:55:34.197 --> 02:55:36.747 did they want to hear from us? I mean, don't bother 02:55:36.758 --> 02:55:40.447 me with it if you're gonna do it anyway. So, I don't 02:55:40.456 --> 02:55:47.206 quite understand that. But I'm with, uh, Member Evelyn 02:55:47.617 --> 02:55:53.166 uh, because I believe that that is a very poor decision 02:55:53.447 --> 02:55:58.318 to not have counselors have classroom experience. And 02:55:58.327 --> 02:56:02.356 I will add this, you're talking to the oldest person 02:56:02.367 --> 02:56:05.126 in the room that knows about education in the sense 02:56:05.137 --> 02:56:09.517 that I've been in that classroom situation. And some 02:56:09.528 --> 02:56:13.997 of the problems today in the schools are because the 02:56:14.008 --> 02:56:19.247 principal, the assistant principals, the counselors 02:56:19.258 --> 02:56:23.916 don't have classroom experience. So therefore they 02:56:23.927 --> 02:56:29.028 are like throwing the uh teachers to the wolves because 02:56:29.037 --> 02:56:31.896 they don't have what the teacher has to deal with and 02:56:31.907 --> 02:56:35.867 go through all the time. And so it's really easy for 02:56:35.876 --> 02:56:39.896 them to say, oh, just let them do this or let it 02:56:39.907 --> 02:56:43.008 be this or let it be that. And I'm saying that that's 02:56:43.017 --> 02:56:45.887 part of the problem with our whole education system 02:56:45.947 --> 02:56:49.318 is that there was a time when they had to have 10 02:56:49.327 --> 02:56:51.798 or 12 years of experience and we got a little more 02:56:51.807 --> 02:56:55.177 maturity and therefore the administration and this 02:56:55.186 --> 02:56:57.907 I'm putting in the same category with the administration 02:56:58.146 --> 02:57:01.686 And I think it's a very foolish thing to do away with 02:57:01.778 --> 02:57:04.646 although we don't have any choice, but I'm not gonna 02:57:04.657 --> 02:57:09.008 go down as saying I was in favor ever of reducing the 02:57:09.017 --> 02:57:13.488 need for having counselors have classroom experience 02:57:14.967 --> 02:57:22.206 for what it's worth. 02:57:22.206 --> 02:57:27.456 Remember Davis? Um Thank you. I'm also terrified at 02:57:27.686 --> 02:57:32.088 the thought of counselors not having classroom experience 02:57:32.097 --> 02:57:36.278 But is there a model at any place where the counselors 02:57:36.287 --> 02:57:39.217 don't have this and they're still able to effectively 02:57:39.228 --> 02:57:42.177 do what they're supposed to do? 02:57:42.177 --> 02:57:46.217 MS Davis. I don't have any of that information here 02:57:46.228 --> 02:57:48.528 but we're happy to, I think the conversation that we 02:57:48.537 --> 02:57:52.508 had with our board in February and some of the feedback 02:57:52.778 --> 02:57:55.577 that was some of the questions about future opportunities 02:57:55.588 --> 02:57:57.916 to sort of look at requirements and maybe take a look 02:57:57.927 --> 02:58:00.807 at the requirements of other states for school counselor 02:58:00.818 --> 02:58:04.298 certification. So I would anticipate at a future opportunity 02:58:04.307 --> 02:58:06.646 We certainly will be following up on some of those 02:58:06.657 --> 02:58:09.088 questions, but I'm, I apologize. I don't have that 02:58:09.097 --> 02:58:12.717 here today. 02:58:12.717 --> 02:58:15.758 Remember Davis? Are you done? Remember little? And 02:58:15.767 --> 02:58:19.657 then Dr Ellis, I want to follow up with MS Hardy and 02:58:20.657 --> 02:58:23.548 we often find ourselves in this situation where the 02:58:23.557 --> 02:58:26.978 legislature has mandated that we do things that we 02:58:26.988 --> 02:58:32.307 disagree with as professional educators. And um I guess 02:58:32.318 --> 02:58:34.997 I'm just a message to the legislature, maybe if, if 02:58:35.008 --> 02:58:39.626 they could con you know, could conference with educators 02:58:39.637 --> 02:58:42.717 and get more feedback and maybe we could get better 02:58:42.728 --> 02:58:47.137 decisions coming out of the legislature. 02:58:47.137 --> 02:58:51.677 Doctor Oz, can I ask staff? There's a couple of conversations 02:58:51.686 --> 02:58:54.677 MS Hardee's MS Davis's MS. Can you speak a little bit 02:58:54.686 --> 02:58:57.097 I know you've introduced it, but can you speak to some 02:58:57.106 --> 02:59:01.767 of those concerns from Peck's perspective? 02:59:01.767 --> 02:59:04.807 Could you clarify mister? You know, MS Hardy brought 02:59:04.818 --> 02:59:09.758 up a few points, MS Davis did about the classroom experience 02:59:09.767 --> 02:59:13.338 and I know you, you've covered it in the introduction 02:59:13.347 --> 02:59:16.267 but can you just essentially respond to? I had a feeling 02:59:16.278 --> 02:59:18.396 a big gun out a corner pocket was going to come up 02:59:18.407 --> 02:59:21.307 here to help me out. So big gun I'm normally called 02:59:21.318 --> 02:59:24.646 half pint. So I'll take it. Good morning, Emily Garcia 02:59:24.657 --> 02:59:27.537 Associate commissioner for educator preparation, certification 02:59:27.548 --> 02:59:30.416 and enforcement. Thank you for being here today. I 02:59:30.456 --> 02:59:33.617 appreciate the concerns that members have shared regarding 02:59:33.626 --> 02:59:35.887 the implementation of this legislation. Many of these 02:59:35.896 --> 02:59:38.338 concerns were brought forward in this legislature when 02:59:38.347 --> 02:59:41.537 they were considering this bill, it did subsequently 02:59:41.548 --> 02:59:44.787 pass. So the action before you today is pure legislative 02:59:44.798 --> 02:59:49.088 implementation. As MS Cook, the illustrious M Cook 02:59:49.097 --> 02:59:50.838 mentioned the board did. 02:59:50.847 --> 02:59:54.386 Receive public comment related to this action with 02:59:54.397 --> 02:59:57.618 the suggestion that in future rulemaking, we look at 02:59:57.626 --> 03:00:01.007 the ed prep, the educator preparation program requirements 03:00:01.017 --> 03:00:04.417 for counselors. So these are the admission requirements 03:00:04.427 --> 03:00:07.807 So to for a counselor to for a an aspiring counselor 03:00:07.816 --> 03:00:10.237 to enroll in an educator preparation program, they 03:00:10.246 --> 03:00:14.868 had in the past to have three years of teaching experience 03:00:15.147 --> 03:00:18.188 as of September 1st, that that requirement was removed 03:00:18.197 --> 03:00:21.546 This is this is conforming edits to the rules to make 03:00:21.557 --> 03:00:25.667 that that adjustment. Another requirement is that they 03:00:25.678 --> 03:00:29.807 enroll in and complete a an approved educator preparation 03:00:29.816 --> 03:00:32.527 program in the state of Texas. Well, we the aspect 03:00:32.847 --> 03:00:36.968 and this board do have some, some very direct influence 03:00:36.977 --> 03:00:40.686 over and can take action on is looking very closely 03:00:40.697 --> 03:00:43.358 at what those educators preparation program requirements 03:00:43.367 --> 03:00:47.807 are to make sure that there's adequate experience embedded 03:00:47.816 --> 03:00:51.157 into the preparation program. So that without going 03:00:51.167 --> 03:00:55.018 against the bill, author's intent, we are making sure 03:00:55.027 --> 03:00:58.256 those experiences are in place before counselors are 03:00:58.268 --> 03:01:03.848 serving in that important role, 03:01:03.848 --> 03:01:08.238 Doctor Ross. Yeah, just I wanna be real clear. So the 03:01:08.417 --> 03:01:11.747 rule that Esbeck is proposing was exactly following 03:01:11.756 --> 03:01:15.518 the legislation, that's what I'm asking, it was limited 03:01:15.527 --> 03:01:18.366 purely to the legislative requirement. Didn't go above 03:01:18.378 --> 03:01:22.607 didn't go beyond underneath. And if we veto that, then 03:01:22.616 --> 03:01:26.426 we are not following the, we would not be going, we 03:01:26.437 --> 03:01:28.577 would be going against the legislation that was passed 03:01:28.697 --> 03:01:32.217 Yes, sir. And at the time, given the time constraints 03:01:32.226 --> 03:01:34.717 written into the bill for when this needed to be implemented 03:01:35.268 --> 03:01:37.907 the, the feedback that we received around reviewing 03:01:37.917 --> 03:01:40.657 the educator preparation requirements. When the candidate 03:01:40.667 --> 03:01:43.628 is in the program, we could not go through a full rulemaking 03:01:43.637 --> 03:01:46.447 process and engage the field and what those requirements 03:01:46.458 --> 03:01:49.098 should look like and stay within the time frame of 03:01:49.107 --> 03:01:55.307 the the legislative implementation 03:01:55.307 --> 03:01:57.128 hardy. 03:01:57.128 --> 03:02:00.977 So from what you're saying, the aspect was hamstrung 03:02:00.987 --> 03:02:03.217 to a certain extent because y'all would have been able 03:02:03.227 --> 03:02:07.456 to look into some aspects of their legislation and 03:02:07.467 --> 03:02:11.176 and taken it back to them or, or what, what are you 03:02:11.187 --> 03:02:14.537 what, what you just the comment you just made? Yes 03:02:14.548 --> 03:02:17.517 ma'am. And if I misspoke, I apologize, I did not get 03:02:17.527 --> 03:02:20.578 communication from the board that they felt hamstrung 03:02:20.588 --> 03:02:23.548 rather than that. They felt like this was a very simple 03:02:23.557 --> 03:02:26.116 clear directive from the legislator to be implemented 03:02:26.126 --> 03:02:30.088 in a very expedient time frame. Their guidance to staff 03:02:30.096 --> 03:02:33.247 was do this now and come back, begin engaging with 03:02:33.257 --> 03:02:35.737 the field to make sure the the requirements that are 03:02:35.747 --> 03:02:39.967 listed, there are sufficient, the the are sufficient 03:02:39.977 --> 03:02:42.088 to make sure counselors are well prepared to serve 03:02:42.096 --> 03:02:46.146 students in schools. Again, remember there's a, a requirement 03:02:46.157 --> 03:02:48.366 for a master's degree in counseling. Many of those 03:02:48.376 --> 03:02:51.126 include clinical experiences and there's the full ed 03:02:51.138 --> 03:02:54.388 preparation program requirements. What we need to do 03:02:54.396 --> 03:02:56.317 is look at both and work with. We have a member of 03:02:56.328 --> 03:02:59.157 the Higher Ed coordinating board on the spec um So 03:02:59.168 --> 03:03:01.126 we are able to work with the Higher Ed coordinating 03:03:01.138 --> 03:03:04.126 board to look at the master's degree content and clinical 03:03:04.138 --> 03:03:07.437 experiences that are required as well as the prep program 03:03:07.967 --> 03:03:12.157 I want to say that the, that doesn't satisfy what those 03:03:12.168 --> 03:03:15.007 of us who have been classroom teachers are saying at 03:03:15.017 --> 03:03:19.437 all that is, that is kind of like what the problem 03:03:19.448 --> 03:03:22.426 is as far as I'm concerned is the lack just because 03:03:22.437 --> 03:03:24.937 they've been through an uh preparation program, does 03:03:24.948 --> 03:03:28.338 it, there's nothing to replace the classroom and I'll 03:03:28.346 --> 03:03:31.338 go back to one of my board members who said this and 03:03:31.346 --> 03:03:34.578 I'll back them up. I think this is a good case of 03:03:34.588 --> 03:03:38.277 the legislature doing some meddling and it always gets 03:03:38.287 --> 03:03:41.717 us in trouble. 03:03:41.717 --> 03:03:46.267 Remember Brooks had her hands up first. But chairman 03:03:46.277 --> 03:03:49.088 do you have something to say? As I wanted to speak 03:03:49.096 --> 03:03:51.418 to what MS Garcia was saying about, I'll come back 03:03:51.426 --> 03:03:56.108 to you, Mister Brooks after this. So the, the change 03:03:56.116 --> 03:04:00.426 we're making is to implement SB 798. It's in your new 03:04:00.437 --> 03:04:06.237 Green Bible on page 149 as 2001 462. And it says the 03:04:06.247 --> 03:04:09.076 qualification for certification as a school counselor 03:04:09.176 --> 03:04:11.237 may not include a requirement that a candidate for 03:04:11.248 --> 03:04:13.667 certification have experience as a classroom teacher 03:04:13.987 --> 03:04:18.338 So that's what the rule is implementing. 03:04:18.338 --> 03:04:23.076 I guess a question for Mister Masa, if we kept this 03:04:23.088 --> 03:04:28.297 rule, it would be illegal. Correct 03:04:28.297 --> 03:04:34.157 the, the statute, of course, trumps the rule, 03:04:34.157 --> 03:04:37.576 but the legislature has not only changed the statute 03:04:37.588 --> 03:04:41.847 but they told SAC to come up with a rule. And so 03:04:43.196 --> 03:04:46.058 I would think that's the, what the legislature is telling 03:04:46.068 --> 03:04:48.676 you all to do. 03:04:48.676 --> 03:04:52.378 So, I think Chair Ellis asked the question kind of 03:04:52.636 --> 03:04:55.616 are we just implementing SB 798? And I think that's 03:04:55.628 --> 03:04:59.297 exactly what this rule is making a change to be in 03:04:59.308 --> 03:05:05.688 compliance with the new 2104 162 03:05:05.688 --> 03:05:07.897 member Brooks. And then M Davis, thank you, Mister 03:05:07.907 --> 03:05:12.237 chairman. I hear what everyone is saying, Peck was 03:05:12.248 --> 03:05:16.498 given a charge to write a rule that incorporated the 03:05:16.508 --> 03:05:20.167 mandate and, and, and I understand that, but there 03:05:20.176 --> 03:05:24.176 are ways to still ensure that the counselors had another 03:05:24.188 --> 03:05:29.886 level of, of work where they were allowed to go into 03:05:29.897 --> 03:05:32.176 the classroom. They were where they were allowed to 03:05:32.266 --> 03:05:34.832 maybe increase the shadow. They have 106 the hours 03:05:34.842 --> 03:05:37.183 right now where they're shadowing a school license 03:05:37.193 --> 03:05:40.332 counselor. There's other ways just like was mentioned 03:05:40.342 --> 03:05:44.011 by Dr Rogers to where teacher or counselor school counselors 03:05:44.022 --> 03:05:48.832 can still get some experience in the classroom that 03:05:48.842 --> 03:05:52.498 would still fit within the law. Because again, the 03:05:52.508 --> 03:05:56.237 charge was to write a rule to make sure that the law 03:05:56.558 --> 03:06:01.878 is, is followed and the law can be followed with more 03:06:01.886 --> 03:06:07.957 expectations. Not that you have experience as a teacher 03:06:07.967 --> 03:06:11.782 classroom, teacher certified, but where you are deal 03:06:11.922 --> 03:06:15.321 in under observation in the classroom or where you 03:06:15.332 --> 03:06:20.071 are are doing a, a an apprenticeship or a shadow something 03:06:20.082 --> 03:06:24.813 to where they can go in there, understanding the environment 03:06:24.821 --> 03:06:27.482 of the school and the pedagogy that goes with it. That's 03:06:27.491 --> 03:06:31.532 my concern, not the law, we can't change that. But 03:06:31.542 --> 03:06:34.352 the charge was to write a rule just like we did with 03:06:34.362 --> 03:06:40.467 HB 900 to incorporate what legislators require. 03:06:40.467 --> 03:06:44.766 That's me. Remember Davis. Thank you. So um again, 03:06:44.777 --> 03:06:49.998 the rule says that so we can't include experience as 03:06:50.008 --> 03:06:53.047 a classroom teacher to qualify for the certification 03:06:53.058 --> 03:06:57.386 but we can put a requirement in for classroom experience 03:06:57.397 --> 03:07:00.008 in the ed prep rules. I'm trying to just be clear. 03:07:01.037 --> 03:07:05.338 Thank you. So the ed prep programs, their program design 03:07:05.347 --> 03:07:08.808 how they get a candidate from enrollment through certification 03:07:08.818 --> 03:07:12.386 They have control over their program design. I don't 03:07:12.397 --> 03:07:14.717 know the counseling program, right? A counseling educator 03:07:14.727 --> 03:07:17.167 preparation program right now, that does not include 03:07:17.176 --> 03:07:20.088 clinical experiences in classrooms as part of their 03:07:20.097 --> 03:07:23.326 educator preparation program. Again, these are candidates 03:07:23.338 --> 03:07:25.808 not enrolling in an educator preparation program to 03:07:25.818 --> 03:07:29.008 be a teacher. These are people enrolling to be a school 03:07:29.016 --> 03:07:32.277 counselor. So all of their preparation in the educator 03:07:32.287 --> 03:07:35.866 preparation program experience is related to the job 03:07:35.878 --> 03:07:39.826 of a school counselor. What I, what I believe the feedback 03:07:39.838 --> 03:07:42.748 that we received at the SEC and what your street indicates 03:07:42.758 --> 03:07:45.657 and intends for the board to do is look at what is 03:07:45.667 --> 03:07:48.136 being done in terms of best practices across the field 03:07:48.147 --> 03:07:50.426 and make sure that our rules are reflective of that 03:07:50.597 --> 03:07:54.266 so that if there needs to be um you know, more clarity 03:07:54.277 --> 03:07:56.946 or more guardrails that those are present as long as 03:07:56.957 --> 03:08:00.027 they don't violate the bill's plain language and intent 03:08:00.037 --> 03:08:02.987 not to require someone to have been employed as a teacher 03:08:02.998 --> 03:08:06.188 of record prior to enrolling into an educator preparation 03:08:06.196 --> 03:08:09.058 program. In addition, the master's degree programs 03:08:09.068 --> 03:08:11.008 that we see across the state and this is where we can 03:08:11.016 --> 03:08:14.128 work with the High Coordinating Board um are also often 03:08:14.136 --> 03:08:16.878 master's degrees in school counseling, which which 03:08:16.886 --> 03:08:20.766 necessitates quite a bit of experience and um interaction 03:08:20.777 --> 03:08:23.617 with what counseling looks like particular to a school 03:08:23.626 --> 03:08:26.016 setting. So I think going back and being able to do 03:08:26.028 --> 03:08:28.327 a bit of a landscape study and see where there's areas 03:08:28.338 --> 03:08:30.918 of improvement and areas that we can a rising tide 03:08:30.928 --> 03:08:34.727 lifts, all ships can we can we can we firm up some 03:08:34.737 --> 03:08:37.798 of those pieces to make sure counselors are well prepared 03:08:37.857 --> 03:08:40.567 Again, they do have to pass the, the counseling certification 03:08:40.577 --> 03:08:43.126 exam, which is also specific to counseling within the 03:08:43.136 --> 03:08:46.327 school setting. So there, there are guardrails in place 03:08:46.338 --> 03:08:51.467 to make sure school counselors have adequate experience 03:08:51.477 --> 03:08:56.347 prior to taking on that role. The bill. The rule before 03:08:56.357 --> 03:09:01.668 you, the action before you is strictly limited to legislative 03:09:03.057 --> 03:09:06.996 requirements. 03:09:06.996 --> 03:09:12.097 Follow up. Do we review um rules for Epp programs for 03:09:12.447 --> 03:09:15.038 um counselors? Do we review those rules or it's just 03:09:15.048 --> 03:09:18.588 kind of um embedded within the program rules that we 03:09:18.597 --> 03:09:22.636 have for teacher certification? I'm going to try to 03:09:22.646 --> 03:09:24.707 answer that. And if I don't please ask me another way 03:09:24.717 --> 03:09:27.918 So all programs who do any type of educator preparation 03:09:27.928 --> 03:09:31.077 program are reviewed every five years for compliance 03:09:31.088 --> 03:09:34.717 with the rules that includes the counselor preparation 03:09:34.727 --> 03:09:38.038 programs. Would you happen to know when that next review 03:09:38.048 --> 03:09:41.678 would be for us? Great question. It's done every five 03:09:41.687 --> 03:09:45.028 years. So about 20% of our programs are evaluated each 03:09:45.038 --> 03:09:48.447 year. Um So everyone is, every program is evaluated 03:09:48.457 --> 03:09:50.756 individually to determine their compliance with state 03:09:50.766 --> 03:09:55.788 law and um the aspect rules. Thank you. Yes, ma'am 03:09:57.117 --> 03:10:02.227 Remember Hagman. Thank you, Mr Chairman. I, I feel 03:10:02.237 --> 03:10:07.746 like this rule we have to do as required by legislation 03:10:08.097 --> 03:10:11.617 but I also defer and I've heard the comments. I think 03:10:11.928 --> 03:10:15.266 MS Garcia has also heard and I can also feed back to 03:10:15.987 --> 03:10:20.896 that. I think we're looking for more school experience 03:10:20.908 --> 03:10:25.636 and time in the schools for the counselors that it 03:10:25.646 --> 03:10:28.807 it just seems like a good idea. It kind of is what 03:10:28.817 --> 03:10:32.126 I'm hearing around the circle because of legislation 03:10:32.136 --> 03:10:35.367 It can't be classroom teacher experience. But I guess 03:10:35.376 --> 03:10:37.778 our feedback and I don't want to put words in anyone's 03:10:37.788 --> 03:10:41.217 mouth is to ask, can they look into some other ways 03:10:41.227 --> 03:10:44.197 of requiring experience in the schools for counselors 03:10:44.207 --> 03:10:47.097 before they become a counselor? I am happy to tell 03:10:47.107 --> 03:10:48.967 you that is always, that is already something that 03:10:48.977 --> 03:10:57.028 e has asked staff to bring. Ok, great. Thank you. 03:10:57.028 --> 03:11:03.077 Any any further discussion, members member Hardy 03:11:03.077 --> 03:11:06.847 repeating what he said. But that you would let s be 03:11:06.987 --> 03:11:11.146 know that that there's a lot of concern on the part 03:11:11.158 --> 03:11:14.987 of those of us here on this board. Yes, ma'am. And 03:11:14.996 --> 03:11:19.077 so go back with that. I don't know. I'm actually quite 03:11:19.088 --> 03:11:21.097 confident the chair and vice chair are watching this 03:11:21.107 --> 03:11:24.418 So they're hearing it directly from you. Oh, yes, ma'am 03:11:24.798 --> 03:11:30.396 I like that. Thank you. Yes, ma'am. Further discussion 03:11:34.867 --> 03:11:38.038 Ok. We're ready to vote. 03:11:38.038 --> 03:11:41.367 So the motion on the floor is to take no action on 03:11:41.376 --> 03:11:44.947 this item, 03:11:44.947 --> 03:11:47.847 all those and deserve to understand what we're voting 03:11:47.857 --> 03:11:52.207 for. First take. No action means that we support the 03:11:52.477 --> 03:11:55.838 if you vote. Yes, here you are saying we support the 03:11:55.847 --> 03:12:01.607 approval of this essentially saying we are 03:12:01.607 --> 03:12:05.788 the approval will go through. Thank you. 03:12:05.788 --> 03:12:08.048 So if you vote, yes, here, the approval will go through 03:12:09.408 --> 03:12:12.437 and if you vote, don't vote, what does that do? You 03:12:12.447 --> 03:12:14.967 don't get counted when we, when we count the hands 03:12:17.327 --> 03:12:19.918 I'm not gonna let any teachers, any of my teacher friends 03:12:19.928 --> 03:12:22.766 know I ever voted in any way to support something like 03:12:22.778 --> 03:12:30.506 this. So, ok, members, all those in favor to take no 03:12:30.516 --> 03:12:46.136 action, please show by raising your hand. 03:12:46.136 --> 03:12:48.668 Thank you. 03:12:48.668 --> 03:12:52.506 All those opposed to taking no action, please show 03:12:52.516 --> 03:13:02.187 by raising your hand. 03:13:02.187 --> 03:13:07.457 64, the motion passes to take no action. So the so 03:13:07.467 --> 03:13:10.788 it will be approved. 03:13:10.788 --> 03:13:12.788 Ok? 03:13:12.788 --> 03:13:16.957 Say again, the rule will go into effect but it would 03:13:16.967 --> 03:13:18.636 have gone into effect whether we would do the drink 03:13:20.028 --> 03:13:23.597 Ok. The next item is review of adoption of proposed 03:13:23.607 --> 03:13:27.516 revisions to 19 T AC chapter 230 professional educator 03:13:27.528 --> 03:13:30.217 preparation and certification. Subchapter A general 03:13:30.227 --> 03:13:33.977 provisions, subchapter C assessment of educators, subchapter 03:13:33.987 --> 03:13:37.146 D types and classes of certificates issued and sub 03:13:37.617 --> 03:13:42.217 subchapter G certificate, issuance procedures and your 03:13:42.227 --> 03:13:46.528 board book. It's on agenda exhibit Roman numeral 4-43 03:13:47.307 --> 03:13:50.146 member Hickman. Thank you, Mister Chairman. We're saving 03:13:50.158 --> 03:13:54.048 the best two. For last. 03:13:54.048 --> 03:13:56.437 The committee on school initiatives recommends to the 03:13:56.447 --> 03:13:58.617 state board of Education that they take no action on 03:13:58.626 --> 03:14:02.697 the proposed revisions to 19 tac chapter 230 professional 03:14:02.707 --> 03:14:05.237 educator preparation and certification. Subchapter 03:14:05.246 --> 03:14:09.626 A general provisions, subchapter C assessment of educators 03:14:09.636 --> 03:14:13.237 subchapter D types and classes of certificates issued 03:14:13.246 --> 03:14:18.168 and subchapter subchapter G certificate issuance procedures 03:14:20.707 --> 03:14:24.077 Ok. Members you have heard the motion that comes from 03:14:24.088 --> 03:14:26.577 a committee does not require a second member. Hickman 03:14:26.588 --> 03:14:29.298 would you like to say any further comments about it 03:14:29.437 --> 03:14:32.077 Yes, thank you. I'll just emphasize again, we're in 03:14:32.347 --> 03:14:34.867 committee for seven hours while other committees were 03:14:34.876 --> 03:14:40.678 at the pool. This motion and this item took a considerable 03:14:40.687 --> 03:14:43.577 amount of time. Lots of testimony. I'd like to thank 03:14:43.588 --> 03:14:46.577 Chair Stripe Vice chair, Muri from Esbeck, who attended 03:14:46.588 --> 03:14:51.626 our entire meeting and testified. We also had Dean 03:14:51.636 --> 03:14:54.487 Edmondson from Sam Houston came as invited testimony 03:14:54.496 --> 03:14:57.327 and had a number of other stakeholders come and testify 03:14:57.727 --> 03:15:02.477 There was a motion to veto this that failed 2 to 2 03:15:02.987 --> 03:15:05.996 and then we had a second motion to take no action 4 03:15:06.006 --> 03:15:10.288 to 1. Mister chairman. I would kind of like to tell 03:15:10.298 --> 03:15:12.807 the story of how we've gotten here. If you think that 03:15:12.817 --> 03:15:17.077 would be appropriate of where we had a veto in 2022 03:15:17.088 --> 03:15:19.538 and how we've gotten to where we are today. You've 03:15:19.548 --> 03:15:23.338 been recognized. Thank you. So, in 2022 there was a 03:15:23.347 --> 03:15:30.597 similar action to turn on TP A as the only option and 03:15:30.607 --> 03:15:35.338 to remove P pr as an option that came to this State 03:15:35.347 --> 03:15:39.428 Board of Education and it was vetoed 13 to 0 some of 03:15:39.437 --> 03:15:42.256 the reasons and you can go back and watch and I think 03:15:42.266 --> 03:15:45.597 each of us who were here spoke and had different reasons 03:15:46.506 --> 03:15:50.077 Uh One of several of the reasons I remember were keep 03:15:50.117 --> 03:15:53.687 multiple options available. So have Ed TP A as one 03:15:53.697 --> 03:15:58.967 option but develop a Texas option as well. A second 03:15:58.977 --> 03:16:03.327 comment was Ed TPA is a performance assessment and 03:16:03.338 --> 03:16:06.396 make that part of the program. And also I would say 03:16:06.408 --> 03:16:10.266 there are some process concerns about how we got that 03:16:10.278 --> 03:16:14.307 rulemaking from s to State Board. And we also talked 03:16:14.317 --> 03:16:16.298 with the commissioner's comments, something about this 03:16:16.727 --> 03:16:21.626 and spe relationship, I would say since that time on 03:16:21.636 --> 03:16:24.626 the last one, the, the relationship I've talked to 03:16:24.636 --> 03:16:30.077 chair Stripe. A number of times we now have MS Garcia 03:16:30.088 --> 03:16:32.788 comes and gives us an update on spec items. I've been 03:16:32.798 --> 03:16:36.386 to some meetings. All of you are welcome. I would say 03:16:36.396 --> 03:16:40.668 SBC is happy to hear our feedback on any of their items 03:16:40.876 --> 03:16:43.367 And if you have particular questions, ask one of the 03:16:43.376 --> 03:16:46.477 committee members because we do get a now an update 03:16:46.487 --> 03:16:49.886 every single meeting on what Esbeck is working on in 03:16:49.896 --> 03:16:53.428 terms of the programmatic requirements. I would say 03:16:53.437 --> 03:16:57.307 what Espe did with that was create the residency program 03:16:57.768 --> 03:17:01.228 that is the next item we'll get to. But in short, that 03:17:01.238 --> 03:17:05.067 does not require NTP or PPR and there's stage gates 03:17:05.077 --> 03:17:08.988 and check ins with the candidates who are doing the 03:17:08.998 --> 03:17:13.926 residency. So that kind of we're saying they're learning 03:17:13.936 --> 03:17:17.426 while they're in the program and don't require TPA 03:17:17.436 --> 03:17:20.966 or PPR at the end. And last, I'll talk about the options 03:17:20.976 --> 03:17:25.327 which to me is the main thrust of the discussion. We 03:17:25.337 --> 03:17:29.395 are keeping P PR as an option and we are turning on 03:17:29.405 --> 03:17:32.706 Ed TPA I think operationalize is the word we're using 03:17:33.136 --> 03:17:37.497 Ed TP A has seven programs that are using the program 03:17:37.505 --> 03:17:42.067 They had 658 applicants and a 98% pass rate. They are 03:17:42.077 --> 03:17:47.027 those seven programs. Either we say we are penalizing 03:17:47.037 --> 03:17:49.508 them or they're not able to take advantage of those 03:17:49.518 --> 03:17:53.968 658 applicants in their as eae is the accountability 03:17:53.978 --> 03:17:59.797 for ed prep providers. So we want to turn on a TP 03:17:59.906 --> 03:18:04.537 so that those seven programs can use these applicants 03:18:05.456 --> 03:18:08.488 in their A E 03:18:08.488 --> 03:18:14.127 as data. However, we are keeping pr as an option compared 03:18:14.137 --> 03:18:20.897 to 658. Ed T pr has 15,296 applicants last year, 107 03:18:20.906 --> 03:18:25.706 ed prep providers and a 94% pass rate. I think where 03:18:25.718 --> 03:18:30.637 everyone is aligned with S BC and our committee and 03:18:30.647 --> 03:18:34.508 hopefully, TE A and others is that we're looking for 03:18:34.518 --> 03:18:37.367 at the end of the road, Ed TP A and a Texas 03:18:37.377 --> 03:18:42.287 TP A option. There was a Texas TPARFP. Uh That's what 03:18:42.297 --> 03:18:44.817 Dean Edmondson came and spoke to. She's the dean at 03:18:44.827 --> 03:18:49.248 same of Houston that Sam Houston responded to the RFP 03:18:49.627 --> 03:18:52.137 Unfortunately, we haven't gotten much feedback. I think 03:18:52.147 --> 03:18:56.166 it was run by a service center, not by TE A but 03:18:56.436 --> 03:18:59.498 I would like to know why, why Sam Houston failed. What 03:18:59.508 --> 03:19:01.867 supports we can give them who can partner with Sam 03:19:01.877 --> 03:19:05.478 or other institutions. How could we get other people 03:19:05.488 --> 03:19:09.018 to respond to the RFP to develop the Texas TP option 03:19:09.527 --> 03:19:13.577 But Chair Stripe yesterday said she is committed to 03:19:13.926 --> 03:19:18.468 having a Texas option before we remove PPR as an option 03:19:18.897 --> 03:19:22.567 And I'm on the same page 100%. And I would say for 03:19:22.577 --> 03:19:25.906 myself personally, I would veto any attempt to remove 03:19:25.916 --> 03:19:30.196 PPR without having the Texas TP option available. So 03:19:30.206 --> 03:19:34.897 in short, what we're doing today is turning on 03:19:34.897 --> 03:19:39.097 Ed TP is as a full program. However, we're keeping 03:19:39.107 --> 03:19:43.577 pr as an option. No one's required to use Ed TP. There's 03:19:43.588 --> 03:19:47.508 still a choice and I think everyone's committed to 03:19:47.518 --> 03:19:51.297 moving forward to developing Texas TP. So that's the 03:19:51.676 --> 03:19:54.738 short or long story. However, you see it happy to field 03:19:54.748 --> 03:19:58.738 any questions or move to discussion member, Maynard 03:20:02.166 --> 03:20:04.478 Mr chairman first. Let me, let me just state that I 03:20:04.488 --> 03:20:11.156 was not at the pool. 03:20:11.156 --> 03:20:15.268 Ok. I got about, 03:20:15.268 --> 03:20:19.998 well, it's, it's always, you know, one of the few times 03:20:20.008 --> 03:20:23.797 when, uh, when, you know, it's usually the PSF that's 03:20:23.807 --> 03:20:26.057 going into extra innings, you know, and, and, and, 03:20:26.067 --> 03:20:29.206 and so that it wasn't one of us this time. But, uh 03:20:29.468 --> 03:20:32.456 so, and I'd like to maybe just for you if you could 03:20:32.468 --> 03:20:34.867 add a little bit of color around this for us is, is 03:20:34.877 --> 03:20:37.258 that, you know, that I understand that there was some 03:20:37.268 --> 03:20:41.988 discomfort, uh, just in terms of how the RFQ was what 03:20:41.998 --> 03:20:45.537 was written, uh, just in terms of, of of soliciting 03:20:45.547 --> 03:20:48.347 that, I think that there was at least, at least a perception 03:20:48.768 --> 03:20:51.696 by some that, that it was written in such a way that 03:20:51.706 --> 03:20:55.978 to, to get a, uh, preconceived outcome and, and that 03:20:55.988 --> 03:20:59.196 was a little bit of a problem and, and that, um, uh 03:20:59.206 --> 03:21:02.117 you know, we've, we've, we've heard this before and 03:21:02.127 --> 03:21:04.456 we've actually kind of seen this a little bit before 03:21:04.468 --> 03:21:07.748 where it, it appears that, uh, you know, things are 03:21:07.758 --> 03:21:11.738 being driven in such a way to, to achieve a, uh, a 03:21:11.748 --> 03:21:15.037 preconceived outcome. And, and so that's what I'm under 03:21:15.047 --> 03:21:16.867 understanding. Can you kind of speak to that a little 03:21:16.877 --> 03:21:21.478 bit for us? I can only tell you what I've seen and 03:21:21.488 --> 03:21:25.248 heard, which is limited. So, in my conversations with 03:21:25.287 --> 03:21:29.406 De Buen, Sam Houston thought they had a viable product 03:21:29.416 --> 03:21:32.978 that would meet the requirements. 03:21:32.978 --> 03:21:37.857 The Service center which ran the RFP process. I think 03:21:37.867 --> 03:21:41.686 the, the questions were limited that were asked and 03:21:41.696 --> 03:21:45.488 then it was followed up with an interview which I think 03:21:45.498 --> 03:21:49.196 was limited in time. And through that process, the 03:21:49.206 --> 03:21:52.166 service center determined Sam Houston did not meet 03:21:52.176 --> 03:21:56.186 the requirements, anything further detail. I would 03:21:56.196 --> 03:21:58.887 like to know, but I, I just haven't heard. So I think 03:21:58.897 --> 03:22:03.567 that's where I want to go to. Is could Sam Houston 03:22:03.577 --> 03:22:07.287 develop the program on their own? Is does Sam Houston 03:22:07.297 --> 03:22:11.107 need some help from within or without? Are there partners 03:22:11.117 --> 03:22:14.228 that could work with Sam Houston? Are there other entities 03:22:14.238 --> 03:22:18.077 whether it's institutes of higher education or contractors 03:22:18.088 --> 03:22:23.057 or companies that could, we could call on to develop 03:22:23.067 --> 03:22:26.067 this Texas option. So I think all options are on the 03:22:26.077 --> 03:22:29.718 table. I'm not exactly sure why the RFP failed. There 03:22:29.728 --> 03:22:33.617 is a timing issue that Esbeck found out the RFP failed 03:22:34.067 --> 03:22:37.498 the day they were doing this rulemaking, which is, 03:22:37.988 --> 03:22:41.508 I'd say problematic, but I, I don't have a whole lot 03:22:41.518 --> 03:22:46.827 of detail on the RFP itself. 03:22:46.827 --> 03:22:49.287 Yeah. And, and, and just as a follow up and I'm just 03:22:49.297 --> 03:22:52.228 trying, I wasn't there. So, uh I wasn't at the pool 03:22:52.238 --> 03:22:55.426 but, but I wasn't there. And, uh, I'm just trying to 03:22:56.176 --> 03:23:00.037 get some understanding. Uh, and, and I'll just, I'll 03:23:00.047 --> 03:23:02.347 just tell you that, you know, a few members, few of 03:23:02.357 --> 03:23:04.567 us members on this board that kind of been around the 03:23:04.577 --> 03:23:09.718 block on this thing before. You know, there's a perception 03:23:09.728 --> 03:23:12.926 and it's probably not altogether inaccurate that that 03:23:12.936 --> 03:23:16.248 sometimes is that we've gone through a process. We're 03:23:16.258 --> 03:23:19.008 not really asking the right questions, you know, that 03:23:19.018 --> 03:23:21.196 we're asking questions in such a way that somebody 03:23:21.206 --> 03:23:24.637 had a, had a wanted to kind of drive the outcome from 03:23:24.647 --> 03:23:27.567 the beginning and ask those questions rather than asking 03:23:27.916 --> 03:23:34.547 questions related to overall outcome. 03:23:34.547 --> 03:23:39.238 Doctor Ellis, member, picking member Brooke. 03:23:39.238 --> 03:23:42.676 So Mister Hickman, you had noted that you nor your 03:23:42.686 --> 03:23:45.067 committee got a lot of information about that. That 03:23:45.317 --> 03:23:49.916 RFP did, did staff indicate that that Sam Houston has 03:23:49.926 --> 03:23:52.647 gotten feedback on that or has anyone gotten feedback 03:23:52.656 --> 03:23:58.718 on the deficiencies of that RP? I'll let staff jump 03:23:58.728 --> 03:24:01.156 in as well. I'll tell you what I note today. Is that 03:24:02.248 --> 03:24:05.117 either the night before or last night or during the 03:24:05.127 --> 03:24:10.166 meeting, we did get the RFP feedback, which is essentially 03:24:10.176 --> 03:24:13.456 the score sheets. I don't know if those have been provided 03:24:13.468 --> 03:24:16.807 to Sam Houston yet. And I think staff said they had 03:24:16.817 --> 03:24:21.317 to do a foia request to get that because it, it was 03:24:21.327 --> 03:24:24.588 run by the service center and not run by TE A but 03:24:24.597 --> 03:24:29.777 we have gotten kind of the score sheet. But personally 03:24:29.787 --> 03:24:33.916 if I was, you know, Sam Houston, I would like to talk 03:24:33.926 --> 03:24:37.338 to the scores, talk to the people who ran the process 03:24:37.537 --> 03:24:40.857 and get direct feedback of you're missing A B and C 03:24:41.008 --> 03:24:43.186 and then kind of have a conversation. How do I, how 03:24:43.196 --> 03:24:46.156 do I bridge that gap or what help do I need to 03:24:46.166 --> 03:24:48.718 bridge that gap to fill the, fill the holes of A B 03:24:48.728 --> 03:24:51.008 and C so that if we do this again, I could be 03:24:51.018 --> 03:24:53.686 successful? Can I follow up with the question of the 03:24:53.696 --> 03:24:56.456 staff for that answer was Sam Houston notified of the 03:24:56.468 --> 03:25:00.347 deficiencies of the RFP. 03:25:00.347 --> 03:25:03.436 My knowledge is limited to what uh Dean Edmondson has 03:25:03.446 --> 03:25:05.327 relayed to me, which was that they were notified, they 03:25:05.338 --> 03:25:08.857 were not their bid for the work was not successful 03:25:08.867 --> 03:25:11.258 I don't believe they received more feedback than that 03:25:11.317 --> 03:25:13.307 I also don't know that they requested more feedback 03:25:13.317 --> 03:25:16.107 than that. We because we did not run the RFP through 03:25:16.117 --> 03:25:18.617 our procurement process did have to do a request for 03:25:18.627 --> 03:25:22.956 information API R for it to get it for ourselves. The 03:25:22.968 --> 03:25:26.637 information given is still limited, some of it's proprietary 03:25:26.647 --> 03:25:29.797 some of it's confidential and not subject to P I but 03:25:29.807 --> 03:25:32.057 the limited information that we did receive it was 03:25:32.228 --> 03:25:37.018 the initial application was eight questions with limited 03:25:37.027 --> 03:25:39.588 characters. So there was concerns related to if that 03:25:39.597 --> 03:25:42.077 was sufficient for them to put their best foot forward 03:25:42.367 --> 03:25:45.166 the feedback that we got from the, the procurement 03:25:45.176 --> 03:25:48.166 office that ran this was that their application, their 03:25:48.176 --> 03:25:50.666 answers to those questions were sufficient. They, they 03:25:50.676 --> 03:25:53.838 were able to move from that stage to the next pardon 03:25:54.067 --> 03:25:56.166 They made it to the interview part. Correct. Exactly 03:25:56.176 --> 03:25:58.758 So it wasn't an issue with the questions or the way 03:25:58.768 --> 03:26:01.347 they were worded or framing or character limits or 03:26:01.357 --> 03:26:05.397 anything like that that was related to the that did 03:26:05.406 --> 03:26:08.768 not. But I think the point is in this process, we're 03:26:08.777 --> 03:26:11.718 trying to figure out how to get to a finish line. And 03:26:11.728 --> 03:26:14.498 if there was a problem in this because I have never 03:26:14.508 --> 03:26:18.147 said that it has to be only Ed TPA. But the Texas 03:26:18.387 --> 03:26:20.847 specific option needs to have a fair chance. It needs 03:26:20.857 --> 03:26:24.088 to be an honest chance, it needs to be transparent 03:26:24.097 --> 03:26:27.676 it needs to be sincere and what I want to make sure 03:26:27.686 --> 03:26:30.468 is that as we move forward, we're all moving towards 03:26:30.478 --> 03:26:34.067 that goal. And I think to have a group of institutions 03:26:34.097 --> 03:26:36.588 of higher education that are willing to do that, that 03:26:36.867 --> 03:26:38.926 only not given a chance. I'm not even allowed to essentially 03:26:38.936 --> 03:26:41.518 go to the starting line by, by not getting to this 03:26:41.527 --> 03:26:44.758 point in that if there was not information that was 03:26:44.768 --> 03:26:47.897 given, I think we've got a hole in, in the process 03:26:47.906 --> 03:26:50.406 So that's what I want to see moving forward. Now, I 03:26:50.416 --> 03:26:52.906 will point out I didn't catch all the meeting yesterday 03:26:52.916 --> 03:26:55.416 but the meaning that I did catch that was the tone 03:26:55.426 --> 03:26:58.838 and tenor that I got back from that. They are continuing 03:26:58.847 --> 03:27:01.797 and a lot of praise to Chair Stripe and Vice chair 03:27:01.827 --> 03:27:04.768 Murray. I think we're all aligned on what our goals 03:27:04.777 --> 03:27:08.321 are for a Texas specific option. And so I don't want 03:27:08.331 --> 03:27:11.432 my comments to be construed as they're not doing their 03:27:11.442 --> 03:27:13.762 job. I think they're doing a fantastic job in getting 03:27:13.772 --> 03:27:15.412 us in that direction, but we need to make sure that 03:27:15.422 --> 03:27:19.232 we're all moving forward on allowing that Texas pic 03:27:19.311 --> 03:27:22.143 auction to have a fair, transparent, sincere chance 03:27:22.353 --> 03:27:27.166 Now, that being said, we still have a decision to make 03:27:27.176 --> 03:27:31.478 today and I don't feel we're necessarily at that crossroads 03:27:31.488 --> 03:27:34.137 of saying, OK, we need to veto this because we still 03:27:34.147 --> 03:27:38.456 have that PPR option on the table. There's ed prep 03:27:38.468 --> 03:27:42.206 programs still have both ways. So just just to, to 03:27:42.238 --> 03:27:44.777 get to the punch line as, as was brought up the other 03:27:44.787 --> 03:27:48.287 day, I'm in, I'm not in favor of vetoing this, but 03:27:48.297 --> 03:27:50.758 I do want a strong message to go forward with. We're 03:27:50.768 --> 03:27:53.367 going to do this text TPA. It needs to be a fair 03:27:53.377 --> 03:27:57.127 and honest process. 03:27:57.127 --> 03:27:59.297 There are a couple of nods to the rule text that might 03:27:59.307 --> 03:28:03.857 be helpful, um, in terms of addressing your concerns 03:28:03.867 --> 03:28:06.557 and showing how that's the board's intent is reflected 03:28:06.567 --> 03:28:09.978 in the rule. Would you mind if I share that? So it 03:28:09.988 --> 03:28:13.456 is true that the, the outcome of the RFP, we, we all 03:28:13.468 --> 03:28:16.777 found out the night the afternoon before the meeting 03:28:16.787 --> 03:28:19.018 However, that delay was caused because we actually 03:28:19.027 --> 03:28:21.617 extended the deadline, the original deadline for submitting 03:28:21.627 --> 03:28:25.617 the RFP by a month in order to give more time for 03:28:25.627 --> 03:28:28.186 applicants to complete their application and submit 03:28:28.228 --> 03:28:31.218 that extension is actually what drove the last-minute 03:28:31.547 --> 03:28:36.268 finalization. So what the, what chair Strey directed 03:28:36.277 --> 03:28:39.936 us to do was to make sure that we struck anything in 03:28:39.946 --> 03:28:45.156 the rule text that's before you related to um implementing 03:28:45.166 --> 03:28:47.297 a Texas specific option because the board would not 03:28:47.307 --> 03:28:49.968 ask you to endorse that without knowing who it was 03:28:49.978 --> 03:28:54.222 going to be developed by as well as they also the sunset 03:28:54.232 --> 03:28:56.821 date for the PPR because they're not going to ask you 03:28:56.831 --> 03:29:00.353 to endorse the idea of eliminating PR as an option 03:29:00.393 --> 03:29:03.873 until they can make good on their commitment to have 03:29:03.883 --> 03:29:06.772 a Texas specific performance assessment alongside a 03:29:06.781 --> 03:29:10.093 TP. Both of those are those actions from the aspect 03:29:10.103 --> 03:29:14.857 are reflected in the rules before you, 03:29:14.857 --> 03:29:16.978 which are changes that adoption, which is unusual, 03:29:16.988 --> 03:29:19.478 they were, they were made to show that their effort 03:29:19.488 --> 03:29:23.357 to develop a Texas specific option is is genuine, sincere 03:29:23.367 --> 03:29:26.416 active and ongoing. 03:29:26.416 --> 03:29:31.738 Ok. Member Pickron Brooks then Childs. Thank you, Mr 03:29:31.748 --> 03:29:35.218 Chairman. Um Emily, thank you so much for all your 03:29:35.228 --> 03:29:37.297 hard work this week. I know I've asked you for um, 03:29:37.307 --> 03:29:40.518 mounds of reports and um you have been so gracious 03:29:40.527 --> 03:29:43.637 and accommodating at all hours. So, um I just want 03:29:43.647 --> 03:29:45.807 more clarification on this because I think we've kind 03:29:45.817 --> 03:29:48.307 of hit this issue in other areas such as instructional 03:29:48.317 --> 03:29:51.018 materials. What have you? Because this is that quagmire 03:29:51.027 --> 03:29:55.156 of our ES CS are part private corporations and part 03:29:55.166 --> 03:29:59.147 government entities. And so I just want to understand 03:29:59.156 --> 03:30:02.291 this process a whole lot better than what I understand 03:30:02.301 --> 03:30:07.561 it now because the, did the TE A give the, was it 03:30:07.571 --> 03:30:12.172 ESC 11 or ESC 1313, ESC 13? Ok. Did the, did the 03:30:12.182 --> 03:30:15.902 TE A give the charge to ESC 13 to go out for 03:30:15.912 --> 03:30:19.926 RFP on this? Yes, ma'am. So the criteria for the RFP 03:30:19.936 --> 03:30:23.338 were presented to the board in multiple board meetings 03:30:23.347 --> 03:30:25.787 the board reviewed and approved the criteria for the 03:30:25.797 --> 03:30:29.676 RFPT A staff then took that board approved criteria 03:30:29.696 --> 03:30:32.936 and asked region 13 to run the actual procurement process 03:30:32.946 --> 03:30:37.383 which is a standard procedure that we do across multiple 03:30:37.393 --> 03:30:40.713 multiple departments in the agency. It was a te a ask 03:30:40.722 --> 03:30:44.123 of the service center. OK. So when te a ask a service 03:30:44.133 --> 03:30:46.682 center to do something like this, do they have the 03:30:46.692 --> 03:30:49.672 option of doing it as a government entity or as a private 03:30:49.682 --> 03:30:52.518 corporation? 03:30:52.518 --> 03:30:55.327 I am not certain. OK. Because just what's a little 03:30:55.338 --> 03:30:58.617 alarming to me is that this is mandated by legislation 03:30:58.627 --> 03:31:05.047 correct? Right. A Texas, a Texas um solution in this 03:31:05.057 --> 03:31:08.906 area, right? We don't, we don't have statute requiring 03:31:08.916 --> 03:31:11.527 this. This is something that's directed to this board 03:31:12.077 --> 03:31:14.978 This is an initiative of the aspect to improve the 03:31:14.988 --> 03:31:17.768 certification exams for teachers in Texas, right? To 03:31:17.777 --> 03:31:21.147 have abased one, right? Because I mean, we've obviously 03:31:21.156 --> 03:31:23.347 nobody is going to fool anyone here. There's problems 03:31:23.357 --> 03:31:25.456 with TP A. Right. First of all, I don't like that. 03:31:25.468 --> 03:31:27.926 It's not actually scored, it's, did you complete it 03:31:27.936 --> 03:31:30.617 or not? I don't think that that's acceptable. But um 03:31:30.627 --> 03:31:33.692 so I don't think anyone here has a, has a saying this 03:31:33.702 --> 03:31:35.762 is the be all end all. This is our goal. Our goal 03:31:35.772 --> 03:31:40.071 is to have a Texas based exam. Ok. So I guess what 03:31:40.081 --> 03:31:44.633 I'm getting to is how can TE a direct an ESC to 03:31:44.643 --> 03:31:49.393 go out for RFP on something? And then we have to Pir 03:31:49.402 --> 03:31:51.512 the information for the results and that comes back 03:31:51.522 --> 03:31:55.588 to us redacted or incomplete. It's an excellent question 03:31:55.877 --> 03:31:59.107 Um M Picker, I am not a procurement expert. We have 03:31:59.117 --> 03:32:01.547 a whole department that does that and I would rely 03:32:01.557 --> 03:32:03.768 on their expertise to answer that. I'm, I'm not certain 03:32:03.777 --> 03:32:07.088 I don't know the ins and outs of our procurement requirements 03:32:07.097 --> 03:32:09.228 I also don't know the ins and outs of our partnership 03:32:09.238 --> 03:32:12.827 agreements with ESC 13. Um I'm sorry, I can't better 03:32:12.838 --> 03:32:15.147 answer that. Yes, ma'am. I probably would like to understand 03:32:15.156 --> 03:32:17.206 because like I said, we've kind of hit this bump in 03:32:17.218 --> 03:32:20.258 the road on some Ira things also. So I would like an 03:32:20.268 --> 03:32:23.196 explanation on this if we are going to continue to 03:32:23.206 --> 03:32:26.807 send rfps through our ES CS and you know, work in that 03:32:26.817 --> 03:32:29.327 partnership. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Thank you, Emily 03:32:29.338 --> 03:32:31.936 I appreciate you. 03:32:31.936 --> 03:32:34.307 OK. I'm gonna come to member Brooks member Charles 03:32:34.317 --> 03:32:39.768 and member Davis. Thank you. So, um being that this 03:32:39.777 --> 03:32:46.166 is a pilot program too, I just want to reiterate that 03:32:46.176 --> 03:32:48.807 the purpose of certifying public and nonpublic school 03:32:48.817 --> 03:32:55.268 educators is to identify qualified candidates who have 03:32:55.277 --> 03:32:58.758 a demonstrated knowledge of the pedagogical and content 03:32:58.768 --> 03:33:02.446 proficiency levels in our schools. We honestly want 03:33:02.468 --> 03:33:06.287 teachers who we want the best and we know that Children 03:33:06.297 --> 03:33:09.988 will be successful if our teachers are qualified to 03:33:10.176 --> 03:33:12.488 teach and do a good job, what they're hired to do. 03:33:12.498 --> 03:33:16.706 So as such, I think this was done very poorly. We are 03:33:16.718 --> 03:33:21.508 are given a charge to base the decision off of an organization 03:33:21.518 --> 03:33:24.446 that was already given the charge. We were this spe 03:33:24.758 --> 03:33:27.783 previously was given the charge, gave the charge to 03:33:27.793 --> 03:33:31.203 you all to get a Texas agency for that Sam Houston 03:33:31.213 --> 03:33:35.082 did go in and, and, and, and apply for that. Did we 03:33:35.093 --> 03:33:37.963 know what did was, was the board presented with that 03:33:37.972 --> 03:33:41.562 information that Sam Houston did come to us? However 03:33:41.732 --> 03:33:44.644 they, they failed the interview process. Should we 03:33:44.654 --> 03:33:47.364 go back and give them an opportunity to make sure we 03:33:47.440 --> 03:33:50.709 look at the RFP, make sure everything is in order because 03:33:50.719 --> 03:33:54.059 this does matter. And then you are piloting this program 03:33:54.069 --> 03:33:59.359 We had 41 of the 123 EPS involved in the pilot program 03:33:59.368 --> 03:34:03.470 41 started out and 34 decided to discontinue using 03:34:03.479 --> 03:34:06.809 it. So we're basing all of our decisions on seven who 03:34:06.819 --> 03:34:12.327 stayed no data, just a handshake and, and, and it's 03:34:12.338 --> 03:34:14.767 going to go well, that doesn't just settle well with 03:34:14.776 --> 03:34:19.316 me. I apologize for raising my voice. But again, we 03:34:19.327 --> 03:34:22.908 do have another alternative Sam Houston. I think I 03:34:22.917 --> 03:34:26.276 would love to hear. Where did they fail? Apparently 03:34:26.287 --> 03:34:28.627 they failed somewhere. I heard they failed in the interview 03:34:28.638 --> 03:34:31.848 process. I, I heard that the, the RFP wasn't written 03:34:31.857 --> 03:34:34.618 really well, there were questions that were vague but 03:34:34.627 --> 03:34:37.702 when they got to the interview process, they were unprepared 03:34:37.713 --> 03:34:39.631 because those weren't the same questions that were 03:34:39.642 --> 03:34:42.912 in the RFP. So I think we have a big breakdown here 03:34:42.921 --> 03:34:45.602 And again, we want to make sure that at the end of 03:34:45.611 --> 03:34:49.542 the day, we have teachers who are prepared to go into 03:34:49.553 --> 03:34:52.622 our classrooms and do an excellent job so that our 03:34:52.631 --> 03:34:58.216 kids can be successful. That's my point. 03:34:58.216 --> 03:35:00.397 Never child. 03:35:00.397 --> 03:35:02.948 Yes, I hope you guys can hear, hear me, remember Hickman 03:35:02.957 --> 03:35:06.198 or Emily. Could you speak to about the second part 03:35:06.207 --> 03:35:11.796 of the rule in 230 regarding that teacher re certification 03:35:11.986 --> 03:35:16.147 that will be impacted based on this vote as well. Yes 03:35:16.158 --> 03:35:22.017 ma'am. 03:35:22.017 --> 03:35:26.687 So the rule action before you, there are two pieces 03:35:26.698 --> 03:35:30.348 of it that impact TP A one is removing the word pilot 03:35:30.357 --> 03:35:32.848 So the seven programs who are still using it or others 03:35:32.857 --> 03:35:34.957 who choose to use it if they chose to use it are 03:35:34.966 --> 03:35:37.477 included in the accountability system. The other is 03:35:37.486 --> 03:35:39.506 expanding the number of handbooks so they can use a 03:35:39.517 --> 03:35:41.678 handbook more closely aligned to what they're teaching 03:35:41.928 --> 03:35:45.707 That's two things out of a larger rule package. That's 03:35:45.716 --> 03:35:47.977 before you remember childs. I think you're asking me 03:35:47.986 --> 03:35:51.827 to kind of review that including specifically this 03:35:51.838 --> 03:35:57.077 item. Um Is it establishes the certification for an 03:35:57.088 --> 03:36:00.057 enhanced standard certificate for candidates completing 03:36:00.066 --> 03:36:03.598 a teacher residency? That that is also in this item 03:36:03.827 --> 03:36:07.647 there's also um specialized training required for candidates 03:36:07.658 --> 03:36:10.807 who want to teach deaf blind students. Um There's a 03:36:10.816 --> 03:36:14.263 time frame here issue where actually member Brooks 03:36:14.272 --> 03:36:16.412 this speaks to your question earlier regarding the 03:36:16.421 --> 03:36:20.482 291 versus 391 exams that extends the time period that 03:36:20.493 --> 03:36:23.432 a candidate can actually use a passing score on an 03:36:23.441 --> 03:36:26.682 old exam and apply for a current certificate. So that 03:36:26.691 --> 03:36:29.611 that fix that you your candidates. I mean, I'm sorry 03:36:29.622 --> 03:36:32.033 your constituents have asked you for is included in 03:36:32.042 --> 03:36:35.437 this rule package. Um There's a change to the test 03:36:35.448 --> 03:36:38.236 limit waiver that allows candidates to retest after 03:36:38.247 --> 03:36:41.338 a failed certificate, test attempt. Um Certification 03:36:41.348 --> 03:36:44.107 exam attempt, they can take it more quickly to not 03:36:44.118 --> 03:36:46.388 delay their entry into the classroom. That's feedback 03:36:46.397 --> 03:36:49.377 related to helping teachers access classroom opportunities 03:36:49.807 --> 03:36:52.428 Um We've added flexibility for career and technical 03:36:52.437 --> 03:36:57.437 education and JROTC candidates. Um We've added and 03:36:57.448 --> 03:37:00.497 updated content pedagogy exams to align with the new 03:37:00.506 --> 03:37:03.937 teaks passed by this board as well as by legislation 03:37:03.948 --> 03:37:06.928 legislative requirements and stakeholder input. Um 03:37:06.937 --> 03:37:09.647 We have a slew of exam updates that are scheduled to 03:37:09.658 --> 03:37:13.428 launch in September of 24 2024 that are dependent on 03:37:13.598 --> 03:37:17.348 um this rule moving forward. Um We also have the streamlining 03:37:17.357 --> 03:37:19.537 of exams which is something this board has charged 03:37:19.546 --> 03:37:21.868 the aspect with looking at. We've been asked several 03:37:21.877 --> 03:37:24.546 times to find ways to streamline exams, particularly 03:37:24.557 --> 03:37:27.187 for elementary teachers who have to take an elementary 03:37:27.296 --> 03:37:31.466 exam, an ESL exam, a special education exam, an STR 03:37:31.477 --> 03:37:34.877 exam. This rule package also includes streamlining 03:37:34.888 --> 03:37:38.368 of those exams. So while the ED TP related content 03:37:38.377 --> 03:37:42.207 that impacts seven of our 123 programs is included 03:37:42.408 --> 03:37:46.437 the things that I just reviewed are field wide improvements 03:37:46.448 --> 03:37:52.368 to Chapter 230. Yes. If I may just respond to Emily 03:37:52.377 --> 03:37:55.466 for a brief moment, 03:37:55.466 --> 03:37:59.307 I think that's why I am voting in support of this because 03:37:59.698 --> 03:38:03.247 teacher residency programs are very good and I think 03:38:03.256 --> 03:38:06.598 that teacher residents, they aren't making that much 03:38:06.607 --> 03:38:09.627 money. So to provide them with an enhanced residency 03:38:09.638 --> 03:38:12.276 certificate will make them look more attractive to 03:38:12.287 --> 03:38:15.006 future employers. And I think that's a distinction 03:38:15.017 --> 03:38:17.678 that they deserve. And I think that's worthy of this 03:38:17.827 --> 03:38:21.776 voting to support this 03:38:21.776 --> 03:38:23.977 Hickman. Did you have something? Yeah, I just wanted 03:38:23.986 --> 03:38:26.928 to add, we, we talked a lot about the enhanced standard 03:38:26.937 --> 03:38:29.716 certificate and I think MS Cooke is going to put a 03:38:29.727 --> 03:38:33.198 gold star or smiley face on those. This is a way for 03:38:33.207 --> 03:38:37.457 applicants to differentiate themselves the residency 03:38:37.466 --> 03:38:39.716 we're going to talk about in the next item. They have 03:38:39.727 --> 03:38:42.747 completed a full year teaching. This will show up in 03:38:42.756 --> 03:38:45.997 the system for their certificate, add that to their 03:38:46.006 --> 03:38:49.937 resume. And I think for the isds trying to hire teachers 03:38:50.107 --> 03:38:53.207 these residents will stand out so that we had a lot 03:38:53.216 --> 03:38:56.066 of testimony about the desire to have this enhanced 03:38:56.077 --> 03:38:59.127 standard certificate to set apart people who've completed 03:38:59.138 --> 03:39:04.316 this residency program 03:39:04.316 --> 03:39:08.796 member Davis. And then remember little 03:39:08.796 --> 03:39:13.977 my first question. Um So going back to this RFP, um 03:39:13.986 --> 03:39:17.256 like member Pickering was talking about, do you know 03:39:17.267 --> 03:39:20.948 when the RFP will be reissued? No, ma'am that I, we 03:39:20.957 --> 03:39:23.807 are taking an uh discussion item to the board in two 03:39:23.816 --> 03:39:26.506 weeks to get their guidance on how they want us to 03:39:26.517 --> 03:39:29.658 proceed. Given that the first RFP did not yield a viable 03:39:29.827 --> 03:39:34.227 how, how will submit the people who submit? How if 03:39:34.236 --> 03:39:37.187 Sam Houston decides to submit again, I'm struggling 03:39:37.198 --> 03:39:39.267 to understand how they'll improve their chances if 03:39:39.276 --> 03:39:41.026 they don't even understand what they did wrong in the 03:39:41.037 --> 03:39:45.057 first place. So I, I don't know how to get them useful 03:39:45.066 --> 03:39:47.647 information, but 03:39:47.647 --> 03:39:50.287 I don't, I don't understand what's going to keep happening 03:39:50.296 --> 03:39:53.928 if we don't have good feedback about why these submissions 03:39:53.937 --> 03:39:57.006 aren't being successful. That's an excellent question 03:39:57.017 --> 03:39:59.658 member, Davis. I know in the information that we pr 03:39:59.667 --> 03:40:02.088 from the service center, we were able to receive the 03:40:02.098 --> 03:40:05.618 rubrics that were used to score their responses. So 03:40:05.627 --> 03:40:08.202 we have the scores, there are nine reviewers, nine 03:40:08.213 --> 03:40:11.421 independent reviewers and we have the scores for each 03:40:11.432 --> 03:40:14.082 reviewer on each question from the application as well 03:40:14.091 --> 03:40:17.502 as the reviewer's scores for each answer in the interview 03:40:17.513 --> 03:40:19.803 That's the, that's the total of feedback that we got 03:40:19.812 --> 03:40:22.702 So I do believe from that content. It, Sam Houston 03:40:22.713 --> 03:40:25.073 would be able to tell what areas where they had higher 03:40:25.082 --> 03:40:29.678 scores versus others and how those did or didn't contribute 03:40:29.687 --> 03:40:32.618 to an overall score that would have been passing. Um 03:40:33.198 --> 03:40:36.236 I, I believe, I believe that I can share that information 03:40:36.247 --> 03:40:38.537 because now that I've Pir it, I think it makes it public 03:40:38.546 --> 03:40:41.417 once it enters our agency and can share that with um 03:40:41.428 --> 03:40:44.787 Sam Houston. They also would have been able to request 03:40:44.796 --> 03:40:49.098 that information from region 13 as well. And then, 03:40:49.107 --> 03:40:53.827 um the next one. So costs are the candidates now paying 03:40:53.838 --> 03:40:55.417 for the cost of the test because I know during the 03:40:55.428 --> 03:40:58.006 pilot, the a lot of the costs were waived. So are they 03:40:58.017 --> 03:41:01.287 now having to pay for it? That's a program specific 03:41:01.296 --> 03:41:04.756 uh determination. So we and I, I can't, I can't speak 03:41:04.767 --> 03:41:07.046 to what each program is doing. I do believe there are 03:41:07.057 --> 03:41:09.816 programs that have included in their program cost. 03:41:09.827 --> 03:41:11.807 I believe there are candidate, there are programs where 03:41:11.816 --> 03:41:14.397 that cost is passed to the candidate. So, but they're 03:41:14.408 --> 03:41:16.388 paying it one way or the other either through tuition 03:41:16.397 --> 03:41:18.937 or out of pocket. So, but they are paying it at this 03:41:18.948 --> 03:41:21.497 point. The candidates pay for all their certification 03:41:21.506 --> 03:41:25.736 exams. Ok. Have y'all developed cut scores yet? No 03:41:25.747 --> 03:41:28.388 ma'am. Do you know when you'll be developing cut scores 03:41:28.397 --> 03:41:30.888 Well, this rule action opens the door for doing that 03:41:30.897 --> 03:41:32.888 We wouldn't have determined those cut scores prior 03:41:32.897 --> 03:41:35.557 to this certificate actually being removed from the 03:41:35.566 --> 03:41:38.327 pilot. We use the pilot data to set those cut scores 03:41:38.338 --> 03:41:40.368 We don't have a timeline for doing that. We're waiting 03:41:40.377 --> 03:41:42.506 for the rule to actually be effective. It would be 03:41:42.517 --> 03:41:45.377 effective in May. So that will be a future board item 03:41:45.388 --> 03:41:48.977 for the spec the cut scores being set by that's in 03:41:48.986 --> 03:41:52.296 commissioner rule making. So, but the pilot you, there 03:41:52.307 --> 03:41:54.678 was no scoring. You just kind of took it and then you 03:41:54.687 --> 03:41:58.236 were good to go. No, I'm I'm sorry. Uh And you have 03:41:58.247 --> 03:42:00.497 this data in your inbox. It was asked for by members 03:42:00.506 --> 03:42:03.057 yesterday and we have shared it with the board. Candidates 03:42:03.066 --> 03:42:05.937 do receive a score. We have our candidate scores, our 03:42:05.948 --> 03:42:08.198 average scores and the range of scores compared to 03:42:08.207 --> 03:42:10.908 the national average. We have all of that data but 03:42:10.917 --> 03:42:14.327 candidates and to say they have to submit a portfolio 03:42:14.338 --> 03:42:17.607 and they pass is, is it's a little bit more nuanced 03:42:17.618 --> 03:42:20.397 than that to be scored as a complete portfolio. It 03:42:20.408 --> 03:42:22.827 does require that it has all of the components and 03:42:22.838 --> 03:42:26.307 that those components meet a standard. Um One advantage 03:42:26.316 --> 03:42:29.526 over TP A over P PR is if they miss a component 03:42:29.537 --> 03:42:31.957 they're allowed to just resubmit that part versus P 03:42:31.966 --> 03:42:35.287 pr where they take the whole test over. So the components 03:42:35.296 --> 03:42:37.618 are scored and the candidates do get a score and they 03:42:37.627 --> 03:42:40.338 know how they do, how they did and what's what their 03:42:40.348 --> 03:42:42.562 actual and their score across the rubric is. So they 03:42:42.573 --> 03:42:45.441 get that feedback. However, for our program during 03:42:45.452 --> 03:42:48.073 the pilot phase and as would be currently done right 03:42:48.082 --> 03:42:50.682 now until a standard is set. As long as they meet all 03:42:50.691 --> 03:42:55.022 of the criteria of the rubrics, they a complete portfolio 03:42:55.452 --> 03:42:58.662 you have to have, you have to have a scorable portfolio 03:42:58.671 --> 03:43:01.982 would be considered passing. So for P pr you, if you 03:43:01.993 --> 03:43:05.213 don't pass it. You do have to pay for CPA is three 03:43:05.223 --> 03:43:07.941 parts. You have to pass each part. Do you have to pay 03:43:07.952 --> 03:43:11.327 to retake any of those parts that you don't pass? So 03:43:11.338 --> 03:43:14.037 let's say I don't pass two out of the three. So now 03:43:14.046 --> 03:43:18.327 I have to pay for two more attempts at passing that 03:43:18.486 --> 03:43:21.816 It's so for, for pr yes, you pay the full amount to 03:43:21.827 --> 03:43:24.647 retake the test and you retake the full test for TP 03:43:24.687 --> 03:43:27.377 you pay a reduced amount and resubmit only the portion 03:43:27.388 --> 03:43:31.897 that was flagged as insufficient. 03:43:31.897 --> 03:43:34.957 And my very last one, I promise. So let's say we do 03:43:34.966 --> 03:43:39.236 veto this today. What is the possibility of creating 03:43:39.247 --> 03:43:44.316 a separate item that just allows um the residency program 03:43:44.327 --> 03:43:48.296 to continue? Why is it all boxed in together? That's 03:43:48.307 --> 03:43:51.107 a great question as well. So that all of these rules 03:43:51.118 --> 03:43:55.486 reside in 230 this chapter is moving forward everything 03:43:55.497 --> 03:43:58.437 before you is within 230 fits within the, the sub chapters 03:43:58.448 --> 03:44:01.118 of 230. That's why it's bucketed together almost kind 03:44:01.127 --> 03:44:04.477 of like an omnibus uh item, so to speak, I do think 03:44:04.486 --> 03:44:09.062 moving forward, um the the of interest in us having 03:44:09.131 --> 03:44:11.792 more specific items that aren't clustered in this way 03:44:11.803 --> 03:44:13.921 It's complicated though because you can't have something 03:44:13.932 --> 03:44:16.573 from the same chapter open in two different places 03:44:16.582 --> 03:44:19.921 in rulemaking um without some, some kind of rulemaking 03:44:19.932 --> 03:44:22.921 criteria in place. So, but I do think that's something 03:44:22.932 --> 03:44:29.917 that the board has taken that feedback. 03:44:29.917 --> 03:44:34.948 Thank you member Davis. Um One of my concerns over 03:44:34.957 --> 03:44:38.966 this is as Dr Ellis pointed out two years ago, we voted 03:44:38.977 --> 03:44:44.957 13 to 0 to not pass this. So my question is, and 03:44:44.966 --> 03:44:47.486 at the same time, we also ask that they come to us 03:44:47.497 --> 03:44:51.707 with a Texas specific one. So I don't feel comfortable 03:44:51.747 --> 03:44:55.057 supporting this because it, it, it didn't do what we 03:44:55.066 --> 03:44:59.066 asked them to do. We still need to get our Texas specific 03:44:59.187 --> 03:45:04.227 program in place. And I'm concerned that if we pass 03:45:04.236 --> 03:45:07.716 this, it'll just kind of ride along and we'll, it'll 03:45:07.727 --> 03:45:10.437 be even longer before we get to our Texas specific 03:45:10.448 --> 03:45:13.827 program. Remember little, may I address your concern 03:45:14.077 --> 03:45:17.897 Maybe not fully but attempt to and, and chair Ellis 03:45:17.908 --> 03:45:21.448 may be able to speak to this too. The veto. Um Two 03:45:21.457 --> 03:45:25.098 years ago was related to requiring Ed TP A to be the 03:45:25.107 --> 03:45:28.727 only pedagogy exam option. The feedback that we received 03:45:28.736 --> 03:45:30.957 from the board was not that there was a disagreement 03:45:30.966 --> 03:45:34.506 in Ed TP A being an option. It was there was opposition 03:45:34.517 --> 03:45:37.977 to it being the option. The rules in front of you today 03:45:37.986 --> 03:45:41.046 do not do not take any steps towards making a TP A 03:45:41.057 --> 03:45:44.716 the option. They just retain it as a choice. Um So 03:45:44.727 --> 03:45:47.417 that the seven programs choosing to use it. Actually 03:45:47.428 --> 03:45:49.397 I can't count on a chart. Apparently there's actually 03:45:49.408 --> 03:45:53.187 eight programs choosing to use it are held accountable 03:45:53.198 --> 03:45:56.287 for their candidate's performance. 03:45:56.287 --> 03:46:01.448 Yes, ma'am. 03:46:01.448 --> 03:46:05.107 Hi, MS Garcia. Is it possible for us to get that data 03:46:05.118 --> 03:46:10.908 you're referring to from it? From the current company 03:46:10.917 --> 03:46:15.178 hosting that it's in your inbox M Brooks. In the sheer 03:46:15.517 --> 03:46:18.187 No, it was emailed to you as a follow up to the 03:46:18.207 --> 03:46:22.897 aspect. Uh, I can get the subject line. Um, Ashley 03:46:22.908 --> 03:46:26.357 can you tell us what the subject of the email is? I 03:46:26.368 --> 03:46:29.207 actually know what I think I print out but I may not 03:46:29.216 --> 03:46:31.747 have enough copies. It is in your inbox. Yes, ma'am 03:46:31.948 --> 03:46:34.167 And I'm the, if you're unfamiliar with reading those 03:46:34.178 --> 03:46:36.377 score reports, I'm happy to sit with you and walk through 03:46:36.388 --> 03:46:41.997 it together. 03:46:41.997 --> 03:46:45.187 The subject line of that email is spec information 03:46:45.198 --> 03:46:48.577 Follow up. 03:46:48.577 --> 03:46:53.647 There were books is that 03:46:53.647 --> 03:46:57.216 thank you, Mr Chairman. Um Emily, there's a few of 03:46:57.227 --> 03:46:59.787 us who weren't here for that veto when that happened 03:46:59.796 --> 03:47:04.477 last time. So will you please? Because I think we talked 03:47:04.486 --> 03:47:07.296 about this a little bit in our committee meeting yesterday 03:47:07.546 --> 03:47:10.838 Will you please walk us through that about how that 03:47:10.848 --> 03:47:15.497 veto happened? And then also that I think you testified 03:47:15.506 --> 03:47:19.457 yesterday that the concerns of the board then was that 03:47:19.466 --> 03:47:22.667 a TP A would become the only option? And so we're not 03:47:22.678 --> 03:47:24.598 really in that situation now, they won't be the only 03:47:24.607 --> 03:47:29.486 option is still available. Is that correct? Can you 03:47:29.497 --> 03:47:32.678 take that last part? I'm so sorry. Yesterday in our 03:47:32.687 --> 03:47:35.408 committee meeting, the testimony, was that the concerns 03:47:35.417 --> 03:47:39.167 of the board whenever this, whenever the veto happened 03:47:39.638 --> 03:47:44.767 was that it would TP would become the only exam. Is 03:47:44.776 --> 03:47:48.397 that correct? Yes, ma'am. Ok. So this won't be the 03:47:48.408 --> 03:47:52.198 only exam, right? That's correct. Ok. And so we'll 03:47:52.207 --> 03:47:57.678 have PP RT P A and then hopefully we get this RFP 03:47:57.687 --> 03:48:00.497 situation straightened out and get a Texas solution 03:48:00.506 --> 03:48:02.667 rather quickly. Right? Texas needs to lead this. We 03:48:02.678 --> 03:48:06.037 need to take care of this ourselves. Yes, ma'am. Ok 03:48:06.368 --> 03:48:12.066 Thank you. Can I follow up on? Yes, it's been alluded 03:48:12.077 --> 03:48:14.088 to a couple of times how that veto and, and I was 03:48:14.098 --> 03:48:17.057 chair at the time. And I kind of remember, you know 03:48:17.066 --> 03:48:20.497 I think my phraseology was, this is not meant to be 03:48:20.546 --> 03:48:23.966 a death nail in the coffin of Ed TP A the point 03:48:23.977 --> 03:48:27.546 was that one of two options happened, either we move 03:48:27.557 --> 03:48:30.267 it from chapter 230 to 228 from the certification of 03:48:30.276 --> 03:48:32.868 the curriculum that doesn't seem to be a viable option 03:48:33.127 --> 03:48:37.357 or that we allow another option to either remain or 03:48:37.368 --> 03:48:41.227 come alongside Ed TPA. So you are correct in what they 03:48:41.236 --> 03:48:44.627 were explaining there, but it was not against Ed TPA 03:48:44.638 --> 03:48:47.247 The phrase was, this is not the nail in the coffin 03:48:47.566 --> 03:48:50.727 It's to give it more time, you know. And so now I'm 03:48:51.276 --> 03:48:56.928 editorializing words get tough sometimes. Yeah. Um 03:48:57.957 --> 03:49:00.088 I think we're still on that path, you know, we're still 03:49:00.098 --> 03:49:04.256 on the path of doing that and I think as I stated 03:49:04.267 --> 03:49:06.917 earlier, I want to strongly make sure we stay on that 03:49:06.928 --> 03:49:09.848 path, a fair and equitable path. But I think we still 03:49:09.857 --> 03:49:12.417 are on that, that path. So I just want to bring that 03:49:12.428 --> 03:49:16.417 up, 03:49:16.417 --> 03:49:19.187 Doctor Young. 03:49:19.187 --> 03:49:22.428 I've had the pleasure of working with both Doctor Judy 03:49:22.517 --> 03:49:27.017 Abbott at S fa Dean of the College of Education, as 03:49:27.026 --> 03:49:30.178 well as Dr Stacey Edmonson, Dean of the College of 03:49:30.187 --> 03:49:34.477 Education at Sam Houston State University on this particular 03:49:34.486 --> 03:49:41.098 topic and both who I admire um as female leaders and 03:49:41.107 --> 03:49:44.588 um professionals in, in their career, who sit on opposite 03:49:44.598 --> 03:49:47.236 sides of this. And of course, I happen to live right 03:49:47.247 --> 03:49:50.607 in the middle of those two universities, right? Um 03:49:50.877 --> 03:49:55.417 And based on what I have learned from both of them 03:49:55.698 --> 03:50:01.216 that's what um helped me decide as part of our conversation 03:50:01.227 --> 03:50:08.026 prior to, to um encourage us to not just have a TP 03:50:08.037 --> 03:50:12.428 A but also keep the P pr available to, to colleges 03:50:12.437 --> 03:50:15.787 who want to ensure that they have a different option 03:50:15.917 --> 03:50:21.537 while we build a Texas tool. Because I don't believe 03:50:21.546 --> 03:50:24.776 that there's anything better than our own tool for 03:50:24.787 --> 03:50:28.897 Texas, especially as it would align with T test, which 03:50:28.908 --> 03:50:32.727 is the tool that, that administrators like myself utilize 03:50:32.908 --> 03:50:37.506 and that is Texas based. So, um I agree with um our 03:50:37.517 --> 03:50:42.057 former chair, Ellis and we hope that we can stick to 03:50:42.417 --> 03:50:47.776 um the promise that we're building a Texas tool while 03:50:47.787 --> 03:50:51.158 continuing to offer to other tools in the process. 03:50:51.167 --> 03:50:54.638 Is that correct? Yes, ma'am. That's correct. Um And 03:50:54.647 --> 03:50:57.198 I will be presenting updates at each committee on school 03:50:57.207 --> 03:51:00.388 initiatives, meeting related to the tangible progress 03:51:00.397 --> 03:51:04.037 towards having, being able to not have the implementation 03:51:04.046 --> 03:51:06.517 date struck out in your rules where we will have a 03:51:06.526 --> 03:51:09.397 deadline and a firm timeline for when that will be 03:51:09.408 --> 03:51:12.216 operationalized. 03:51:12.216 --> 03:51:16.466 Thank you. Yes, ma'am, Doctor Bell Meadow member Davis 03:51:16.477 --> 03:51:22.006 member Brooks. I, I would like to have some articulation 03:51:22.287 --> 03:51:27.618 of what it is that a Texas version of Ed TP A 03:51:28.357 --> 03:51:32.546 would contain that would do a better job than Ed TP 03:51:32.557 --> 03:51:35.227 A. Not that I'm saying that Ed TP A should be the 03:51:35.236 --> 03:51:38.577 only one, but we keep returning to this idea of the 03:51:38.588 --> 03:51:41.957 Texas version and I want to know what would, what would 03:51:41.966 --> 03:51:44.408 what are a few things that would characterize that 03:51:50.897 --> 03:51:54.486 Is that a question for step? No, I it's a, it's a 03:51:54.497 --> 03:51:57.767 question for the, the members, my fellow members. Well 03:51:57.776 --> 03:51:59.888 I'm good. I'll go back to the statement that I made 03:51:59.897 --> 03:52:03.437 before which is as administrators. We utilize the T 03:52:03.448 --> 03:52:09.647 test um tool for evaluating our classroom teachers 03:52:09.658 --> 03:52:14.807 And in that TP A is not aligned with T test nor 03:52:14.848 --> 03:52:20.827 does P pr um test or the ethics standards. Thank you 03:52:20.838 --> 03:52:26.727 test. Um What it is that we um evaluate for our teachers 03:52:26.736 --> 03:52:30.368 in the classroom. So somewhere between those three 03:52:30.377 --> 03:52:36.267 elements, we need to um create a tool that aligns with 03:52:36.276 --> 03:52:40.448 how, what we feel is most important that's happening 03:52:40.457 --> 03:52:44.357 in the classrooms. Um 03:52:44.357 --> 03:52:48.477 II, I would just like a couple of examples. I I understand 03:52:48.486 --> 03:52:52.216 that there's, there's not alignment but what is something 03:52:52.227 --> 03:53:00.437 that a Texas version does or has um that distinguishes 03:53:00.448 --> 03:53:03.517 it? 03:53:03.517 --> 03:53:06.517 Doctor Bell, I'll be more than happy to share with 03:53:06.526 --> 03:53:10.678 you what like the T test form looks like so that you're 03:53:10.687 --> 03:53:14.917 aware of what it is that we need to also create an 03:53:14.928 --> 03:53:20.316 an additional tool to align to it. The A Texas version 03:53:27.077 --> 03:53:30.577 Remember Davis to, to respond to you. Um Doctor Bell 03:53:30.848 --> 03:53:34.327 Meadow um Ed TP A is scored from folks from all around 03:53:34.338 --> 03:53:36.917 the country and, and that contributed to some of the 03:53:36.928 --> 03:53:39.966 problems and the bias in the testing and then the scoring 03:53:39.977 --> 03:53:43.377 requirements especially for the videotape part, the 03:53:43.388 --> 03:53:46.256 TT P A will be focused on Texas. It would have scores 03:53:46.267 --> 03:53:49.077 in Texas, it would just really be focused on the things 03:53:49.088 --> 03:53:51.957 that we said we're we're doing here and it also looks 03:53:51.966 --> 03:53:54.448 at our different communities, our cultures, our students 03:53:54.577 --> 03:53:57.736 whereas the NTP A is a national assessment, you know 03:53:57.747 --> 03:53:59.667 you don't know who's scoring at it could be somebody 03:53:59.678 --> 03:54:02.658 in Ohio that doesn't understand what we have here. 03:54:02.667 --> 03:54:06.167 That's important to us. So I think that TT P A really 03:54:06.178 --> 03:54:08.727 aligns with what we said, students need to know and 03:54:08.736 --> 03:54:11.796 teachers have to be prepared to be able to do to make 03:54:11.807 --> 03:54:16.377 sure that they know that information 03:54:16.377 --> 03:54:19.736 member Brooks and, and to piggyback off of, you know 03:54:19.747 --> 03:54:22.888 member Davis also the pedagogy and the content that's 03:54:22.897 --> 03:54:26.888 taught here in the state of Texas, you know. Um again 03:54:26.897 --> 03:54:31.566 II I see there was a breakdown with Sam Houston. Um 03:54:33.466 --> 03:54:37.756 I mean, if they're the only ones who applied and they're 03:54:37.767 --> 03:54:43.077 in the state of Texas, it, it's worth seeing what, 03:54:43.088 --> 03:54:47.127 what they have of value to fixing this, this issue 03:54:47.138 --> 03:54:51.276 I think that would have alleviated this entire conversation 03:54:51.437 --> 03:54:54.236 that we're having today. I think if that was done correctly 03:54:57.667 --> 03:55:00.296 Doctor Bob Miro, you have that in your email. Now, 03:55:00.307 --> 03:55:04.178 I sent that, that rubric to you. 03:55:04.178 --> 03:55:07.006 Remember, Hardy, 03:55:07.006 --> 03:55:10.417 this may be a, uh, a weak point on my, on my 03:55:10.428 --> 03:55:14.227 part because I'm not as familiar with this. But when 03:55:15.077 --> 03:55:19.348 we were discussing it two years ago, the feedback I 03:55:19.357 --> 03:55:24.368 got from different people in the field in the higher 03:55:24.377 --> 03:55:29.417 education was that this was written for states that 03:55:29.428 --> 03:55:34.448 are common core states and of course, ours is abased 03:55:34.997 --> 03:55:38.577 state. And while that doesn't mean too much to just 03:55:38.588 --> 03:55:41.417 anybody, it would mean a lot when you're talking about 03:55:41.667 --> 03:55:45.006 what was it, what were the expectations and so forth 03:55:45.017 --> 03:55:48.848 So that would be a good example of it was written for 03:55:48.857 --> 03:55:54.698 certain curriculum standards and so forth that are 03:55:54.707 --> 03:56:00.236 not the same as ours, 03:56:00.236 --> 03:56:06.017 any further discussion members? 03:56:06.017 --> 03:56:09.716 OK. Are we ready to vote? 03:56:09.716 --> 03:56:14.957 So the motion on the floor is to take no action. 03:56:14.957 --> 03:56:23.716 So that would mean that the rule is approved 03:56:23.716 --> 03:56:32.296 for. Yes. So all those. So if you vote, yes, you are 03:56:32.838 --> 03:56:37.178 voting to move this along in the process for for it 03:56:37.428 --> 03:56:41.477 to be approved is very clear on that. But what is to 03:56:41.486 --> 03:56:44.727 be approved that that they would keep doing tests? 03:56:46.316 --> 03:56:49.327 Yes, 03:56:49.327 --> 03:56:53.066 until such time as we 03:56:53.066 --> 03:56:55.526 until such time as something changes and comes back 03:56:55.537 --> 03:56:58.566 before us. 03:56:58.566 --> 03:57:02.486 Ok. All those in favor of the motion to take no action 03:57:02.497 --> 03:57:15.006 please show by raising your hand 03:57:15.006 --> 03:57:20.147 one night 03:57:20.147 --> 03:57:23.977 eight. Thank you. 03:57:23.977 --> 03:57:27.006 All those opposed, please show by raising your hand 03:57:39.256 --> 03:57:44.756 six. Thank you. The motion is adopted. Moving to the 03:57:44.767 --> 03:57:48.466 next item review and adoption of proposed repeal of 03:57:48.477 --> 03:57:51.857 a new 19 T AC chapter 228 requirements for educator 03:57:51.868 --> 03:57:54.598 preparation programs. Members in your agenda. It's 03:57:54.607 --> 03:58:06.006 exhibit on Roman numeral 4-85. Remember H one. 03:58:06.006 --> 03:58:08.897 Thank you, Mister Chairman. This is the last one. The 03:58:08.908 --> 03:58:11.026 committee on school initiatives recommends to the State 03:58:11.037 --> 03:58:13.848 Board of Education that they take no action on the 03:58:13.857 --> 03:58:19.118 proposed repeal of a new 19 tac chapter 228 requirements 03:58:19.127 --> 03:58:24.868 for educator preparation programs. 03:58:24.868 --> 03:58:27.368 Ok. Members, we've heard the motion comes from the 03:58:27.377 --> 03:58:29.638 committee so there is no second required. Would you 03:58:29.647 --> 03:58:31.957 like to speak any further on this member? Hickman? 03:58:32.138 --> 03:58:37.338 I would thank you, Mister chairman. This is a new adding 03:58:37.348 --> 03:58:43.077 a new residency pathway rule 228. It's very lengthy 03:58:43.088 --> 03:58:49.827 We had um Tarlton, Sam Houston, Baylor, U of H and 03:58:49.838 --> 03:58:54.466 UT in the room. Unfortunately, no Aggies, 03:58:54.466 --> 03:58:58.167 there was a couple of comments and concerns that I 03:58:58.178 --> 03:59:01.517 just wanted to, that we talked through one is that 03:59:01.526 --> 03:59:06.428 I think there's a six check ins. So during this residency 03:59:06.437 --> 03:59:11.647 program, the, the program that you're a part of has 03:59:11.658 --> 03:59:16.026 to essentially watch you and give feedback six times 03:59:16.037 --> 03:59:18.098 throughout the program. And there were some concerns 03:59:18.107 --> 03:59:21.526 about the cost if this appeared a rural location, how 03:59:21.537 --> 03:59:24.796 much travel there would have to be. And it was clarified 03:59:24.807 --> 03:59:27.986 only the first of those check ins has to be in person 03:59:28.098 --> 03:59:31.767 The next five could be virtual or in person. So that's 03:59:31.776 --> 03:59:36.546 about the cost of the visits. The other is um the hours 03:59:36.557 --> 03:59:41.107 Um So it's changing from weeks and days required in 03:59:41.118 --> 03:59:44.167 the classroom to an hour based. And there was some 03:59:44.178 --> 03:59:46.977 concern about not allowing extracurricular. 03:59:46.986 --> 03:59:51.547 Activities. So some examples of like an ag course with 03:59:51.555 --> 03:59:55.586 uh exhibition in the evening or travel or, you know 03:59:55.595 --> 03:59:58.566 the marching band practice in the morning or evening 03:59:58.576 --> 04:00:02.277 outside of school hours. And I believe Chair stripe 04:00:02.515 --> 04:00:06.266 has requested that that issue of ours has been heard 04:00:06.275 --> 04:00:08.656 and she has requested to add that to her next spec 04:00:08.926 --> 04:00:14.556 agenda item aspect, agenda meeting. Sorry. Um And if 04:00:14.566 --> 04:00:18.795 I understand correctly the way the timing works, there's 04:00:18.806 --> 04:00:22.025 enough time for them to make those changes before this 04:00:22.037 --> 04:00:26.145 is really turned on and implemented. Last thing I'll 04:00:26.156 --> 04:00:29.817 mention is there was some testimony in favor, I'd say 04:00:29.825 --> 04:00:32.537 generally testimony was in favor and discussion was 04:00:32.546 --> 04:00:35.806 in favor of this residency pathway. There was some 04:00:35.817 --> 04:00:40.705 testimony and discussion in opposition and I we we 04:00:40.717 --> 04:00:44.906 discussed in the room. Residency is one of three possible 04:00:44.916 --> 04:00:48.317 options. So no one is being forced into a residency 04:00:48.325 --> 04:00:51.936 pathway. This is a new option. It's a full year in 04:00:51.946 --> 04:00:55.856 the classroom for these applicants, but there's other 04:00:55.865 --> 04:01:00.556 pathways available if the applicant or the ed prep 04:01:00.565 --> 04:01:03.946 provider does not want the residency option. So I will 04:01:03.957 --> 04:01:09.347 stop there. Mr Chairman. 04:01:09.347 --> 04:01:16.526 Are there any questions from Mr Mr Maynard 04:01:16.526 --> 04:01:19.755 and, and I, and I appreciate the work that's been done 04:01:19.767 --> 04:01:22.145 on that. And I just want to just underscore is that 04:01:22.157 --> 04:01:25.267 just how that was written, uh you know, with, with 04:01:25.276 --> 04:01:29.535 extracurricular and this being so, so, so broad that 04:01:29.546 --> 04:01:33.407 created quite a concern. Uh because a lot of, a lot 04:01:33.416 --> 04:01:35.946 of the work that's done outside of the, the school 04:01:35.957 --> 04:01:40.686 day as it's defined is actually in our curriculum standards 04:01:40.977 --> 04:01:45.477 and, and, and is, is it is an expectation for those 04:01:45.487 --> 04:01:48.097 for those students and it needs to be counted. And 04:01:48.106 --> 04:01:51.707 so, uh but I i it's my understanding that uh that there's 04:01:51.716 --> 04:01:53.636 been some good work on that and, and, and they are 04:01:53.645 --> 04:01:59.206 committed to uh to addressing that. 04:01:59.206 --> 04:02:04.406 Can I respond? Yeah. And I think if I have a crystal 04:02:04.416 --> 04:02:06.616 ball and guess where aspect is going to go, there's 04:02:06.626 --> 04:02:10.837 been some discussion about Tebas extracurricular activities 04:02:10.845 --> 04:02:13.967 So I know we've talked about ag student organizations 04:02:13.977 --> 04:02:16.587 or leadership that's kind of required as part of the 04:02:16.595 --> 04:02:19.087 class, maybe the marching band. If you're going to 04:02:19.095 --> 04:02:21.467 be the band instructor, you're expected to be able 04:02:21.477 --> 04:02:25.046 to direct the marching band versus a chess club, which 04:02:25.057 --> 04:02:27.366 may or may not be related to the, to the classroom 04:02:27.376 --> 04:02:30.557 work. So that, that may or may not come up, but se 04:02:30.687 --> 04:02:33.386 is going to consider that and come back to us with 04:02:33.467 --> 04:02:37.126 a, with a response 04:02:37.126 --> 04:02:39.315 and we're brought. 04:02:39.315 --> 04:02:43.866 So in this right up here on, I um on page 30 04:02:44.307 --> 04:02:48.735 It says it's um it would reflect stakeholder feedback 04:02:48.747 --> 04:02:52.235 Where is the stakeholder feedback? Who are the stakeholders 04:03:07.946 --> 04:03:10.687 I apologize member Brooks. I missed your question. 04:03:10.826 --> 04:03:17.505 Ok. So written in this item on item number 12, near 04:03:17.515 --> 04:03:24.046 the end, it says that would implement legislation would 04:03:24.057 --> 04:03:26.815 include technical updates for both outdated provision 04:03:26.826 --> 04:03:29.296 specific to residency certificate and would reflect 04:03:29.307 --> 04:03:32.255 stakeholders' feedback to further strengthen the rules 04:03:32.265 --> 04:03:35.027 who are the stakeholders because it says they, you 04:03:35.035 --> 04:03:38.477 would reflect stakeholders' feedback to further strengthen 04:03:38.485 --> 04:03:40.956 the rules. Who are the stakeholders you're talking 04:03:40.967 --> 04:03:43.815 to? Excellent question. Thank you so much for asking 04:03:44.126 --> 04:03:47.005 So, in the process of repealing and replacing this 04:03:47.015 --> 04:03:50.227 chapter, the board uh directed staff to engage with 04:03:50.235 --> 04:03:53.747 stakeholders from school districts, institute, institutes 04:03:53.755 --> 04:03:56.926 of Higher education alternative certification programs 04:03:57.285 --> 04:04:00.696 um as well as specifically engaging. And we had a working 04:04:00.706 --> 04:04:03.147 group with our educator preparation stakeholder group 04:04:03.155 --> 04:04:05.986 That's the board's formal advisory group. Um So they 04:04:05.996 --> 04:04:09.005 were engaged throughout the process. Um We had several 04:04:09.017 --> 04:04:12.137 groups also write specific uh draft language for the 04:04:12.147 --> 04:04:15.286 board that they considered and um included. So it's 04:04:15.296 --> 04:04:19.616 this is an effort for the board to be having the field 04:04:19.626 --> 04:04:22.176 and form the rules that govern them. And that's part 04:04:22.186 --> 04:04:23.977 of the makeup of the board. The board is made up of 04:04:23.986 --> 04:04:27.626 teachers, school leaders, counselors, um and citizens 04:04:27.637 --> 04:04:29.686 So the stakeholders are representative of those groups 04:04:29.697 --> 04:04:33.227 as well. So where's their feedback? Who gets this feedback 04:04:33.637 --> 04:04:36.905 Do we get to see a summary. It says there's a summary 04:04:36.926 --> 04:04:40.626 and also I also saw a 95 page document about that repeal 04:04:40.637 --> 04:04:45.486 online. That's the repeal, the 95 page um, was written 04:04:45.496 --> 04:04:50.267 in February. I just close my computer. I'm not sure 04:04:50.275 --> 04:04:53.227 what document you're referring to the feedback would 04:04:53.236 --> 04:04:56.477 be available in both the board presentation as well 04:04:56.486 --> 04:04:59.835 as um in attachments, it's presented to the, this item 04:04:59.846 --> 04:05:04.017 was discussed, I believe four times with the aspect 04:05:04.025 --> 04:05:05.905 So the feedback would have come in the form of public 04:05:05.916 --> 04:05:09.106 testimony, public comment. Um and then the engagement 04:05:09.116 --> 04:05:12.315 activities, the board directed staff to uh complete 04:05:12.327 --> 04:05:15.655 and provide reporting on. I I am happy to provide all 04:05:15.666 --> 04:05:18.965 of that for you. I believe the summary of public comment 04:05:18.977 --> 04:05:21.965 is also provided to you in your communication letters 04:05:23.246 --> 04:05:27.477 Mhm I just would like to know about the Thank you. 04:05:28.155 --> 04:05:33.017 You're welcome 04:05:33.017 --> 04:05:35.585 member Brooks. We also had feedback and I mentioned 04:05:35.596 --> 04:05:38.335 a number of these institutions, Charlton, Sam Houston 04:05:38.346 --> 04:05:41.436 Baylor, U of H and UT. I think all of them are 04:05:41.447 --> 04:05:46.327 running a residency, maybe that's a pilot. So they 04:05:46.335 --> 04:05:48.565 they were also giving us feedback as well as we got 04:05:48.577 --> 04:05:51.637 feedback from other stakeholders in our committee. 04:05:51.686 --> 04:05:54.666 So you could watch that if you want to watch our committee 04:05:54.676 --> 04:05:59.477 video, Mister Rickman. And I I found it the document 04:05:59.856 --> 04:06:03.147 So it was, it's the date is at the bottom of February 04:06:03.155 --> 04:06:11.767 16th, 2024 item 10. It's 95 pages at the top. It says 04:06:11.775 --> 04:06:13.666 um, 04:06:13.666 --> 04:06:18.356 item 10 adoption of proposed repeal of new 19 T A chapter 04:06:18.366 --> 04:06:22.197 228 requirements for educator preparation programs 04:06:22.405 --> 04:06:27.246 discussion and action. 04:06:27.246 --> 04:06:30.017 What's your question? I'm sorry. So is this not a document 04:06:30.025 --> 04:06:32.356 Does this have anything to do with this? Because it's 04:06:32.366 --> 04:06:36.137 talking about the item before you went through the 04:06:36.147 --> 04:06:39.286 full rulemaking process. So it was at discussion for 04:06:39.296 --> 04:06:41.856 several meetings. It was a proposal with proposed rule 04:06:41.866 --> 04:06:43.905 text that might be the long document you're looking 04:06:43.916 --> 04:06:47.186 at chapter 228. It includes all of the requirements 04:06:47.197 --> 04:06:50.116 for educator preparation program. So it is one of our 04:06:50.126 --> 04:06:53.926 longest documents, which is one of the efforts to reveal 04:06:53.936 --> 04:06:57.005 repeal and replace. It was to add some more uh organization 04:06:57.017 --> 04:06:59.565 to it. But I bet if it's that long, that's probably 04:06:59.577 --> 04:07:03.065 the item. If you're looking at the February meeting 04:07:03.077 --> 04:07:06.255 it would have been the adoption of that item that's 04:07:06.267 --> 04:07:11.286 before you today. Not all 95 pages, 04:07:11.286 --> 04:07:13.827 the entire chapter is being repealed and replaced. 04:07:13.835 --> 04:07:15.996 It's interesting, I've never seen an item like this 04:07:16.005 --> 04:07:18.876 before. You'll have everything underlined in one version 04:07:18.887 --> 04:07:20.655 and everything struck out in another because we have 04:07:20.666 --> 04:07:25.147 to strike the chapter and then uh re it's being replaced 04:07:25.977 --> 04:07:30.207 Thank you. Yes, ma'am. 04:07:30.207 --> 04:07:36.905 Further questions, comments, debate, 04:07:36.905 --> 04:07:41.596 we ready to vote. 04:07:41.596 --> 04:07:45.986 OK. So the motion was to take no action. So again, 04:07:45.996 --> 04:07:50.697 a yes vote means to allow the approval. Is that the 04:07:50.707 --> 04:07:53.275 right way to say it. 04:07:53.275 --> 04:07:57.486 Any questions about what we're voting on? 04:07:57.486 --> 04:08:02.366 Ok. All those in favor of voting to take of taking 04:08:02.376 --> 04:08:17.215 no action, please show by raising your hand 04:08:17.215 --> 04:08:22.895 1212. Thank you. All those opposed to taking your action 04:08:22.905 --> 04:08:25.817 please show by raising your hand 04:08:25.817 --> 04:08:32.025 1 12 1, the motion passes to take no action. Thank 04:08:32.035 --> 04:08:33.996 you. 04:08:33.996 --> 04:08:36.547 Thank you for your time you spent with us today and 04:08:36.557 --> 04:08:45.006 working on this. I appreciate it. All 04:08:45.006 --> 04:08:47.885 member Hickman. Thank you. Just a preview of coming 04:08:47.895 --> 04:08:52.227 attractions. So S Beck has been mentioned, we will 04:08:52.236 --> 04:08:56.326 be meeting in two weeks in this room. I'll, I'll try 04:08:56.336 --> 04:08:59.606 and make it, but there are uh certainly very welcoming 04:08:59.616 --> 04:09:02.395 and hospitable and would be happy to see us uh or you 04:09:02.405 --> 04:09:04.477 can watch online as well if you want to follow along 04:09:04.486 --> 04:09:08.376 with the work of spec uh charter capacity interviews 04:09:08.385 --> 04:09:12.227 are scheduled for May 9th through 17th. I believe those 04:09:12.236 --> 04:09:19.616 are online. Um We have between nine and 11 applications 04:09:19.626 --> 04:09:24.376 will be passing the external review and go to the commissioner 04:09:24.716 --> 04:09:28.736 The commissioner will then something less than nine 04:09:28.905 --> 04:09:32.275 between nine and 11 will pass to us for our June meeting 04:09:32.285 --> 04:09:35.956 So that again will be take no action or veto if you 04:09:35.966 --> 04:09:38.506 want to learn more about those. I think the applications 04:09:38.515 --> 04:09:42.486 are all available. I think which applicants pass. The 04:09:42.496 --> 04:09:45.677 external review is coming out next week. And then if 04:09:45.687 --> 04:09:48.446 you want to learn more, the interviews, all of us are 04:09:48.456 --> 04:09:51.106 invited to attend. There are two hours each, there 04:09:51.116 --> 04:09:54.946 will be two per day and 30 minutes is set aside to 04:09:54.956 --> 04:09:58.635 State Board of Education. Uh Last thing we did yesterday 04:09:58.645 --> 04:10:01.775 that was consent. Just wanted to highlight was the 04:10:01.785 --> 04:10:05.096 school safety training update that's for school board 04:10:05.106 --> 04:10:09.417 members and the State Safety Center. What's that called 04:10:09.427 --> 04:10:13.256 Texas? Texas School Safety Center came and presented 04:10:13.265 --> 04:10:16.385 the updated training. A lot of that's legislative update 04:10:16.395 --> 04:10:18.746 So we had a good discussion on that. That was emailed 04:10:18.756 --> 04:10:21.477 to all of us. So that's available for anyone who wants 04:10:21.486 --> 04:10:24.256 to look at, look at that and I will stop there and 04:10:24.265 --> 04:10:27.687 just say thank you to all the staff, the committee 04:10:28.775 --> 04:10:32.196 stakeholders, we had a packed house for seven hours 04:10:32.206 --> 04:10:35.826 and it was a great discussion, a lot of work and we 04:10:35.836 --> 04:10:39.275 got through it. So, thank you and even MS Kay joined 04:10:39.285 --> 04:10:42.116 us. 04:10:42.116 --> 04:10:44.836 Thank you member Hickman heard a lot of good things 04:10:44.846 --> 04:10:49.275 about uh the committee on school initiatives meeting 04:10:49.285 --> 04:10:54.015 yesterday while long productive, professionally conducted 04:10:54.025 --> 04:10:57.167 by all members. And I would like to extend my thanks 04:10:57.177 --> 04:11:00.006 to that committee for getting through a lot of work 04:11:00.015 --> 04:11:04.977 yesterday. Ok. Well, this concludes the business of 04:11:04.986 --> 04:11:07.635 the State Board of Education. However, we've frequently 04:11:07.645 --> 04:11:11.326 taken a few minutes at the end of the week to briefly 04:11:11.336 --> 04:11:14.285 talk about any kind of educational activities concerns 04:11:14.297 --> 04:11:18.135 in our districts. Brag about your Children, grandchildren 04:11:18.506 --> 04:11:21.836 cats, dogs, turtles, in my case, whatever it might 04:11:21.846 --> 04:11:28.477 be. So we'll start here. Remember a little, 04:11:28.477 --> 04:11:32.606 well, we got, um, two new miniature donkeys a couple 04:11:32.616 --> 04:11:38.297 of weeks ago, their name Mr Bo Jangles and, um, Maggie 04:11:38.307 --> 04:11:41.586 May. And then we got a call that we had a third 04:11:41.596 --> 04:11:45.307 little donkey because, um, Maggie Mae was expecting 04:11:45.317 --> 04:11:48.706 when we got her unbeknownst to us. And we have named 04:11:48.716 --> 04:11:54.596 her Sweet Caroline 04:11:54.596 --> 04:11:58.626 while I was gone doing my duties here. Uh, we have 04:11:58.635 --> 04:12:03.727 these, uh, Zoom or facetime with our only granddaughter 04:12:03.736 --> 04:12:08.466 in North Carolina. So I got home and my husband reported 04:12:08.576 --> 04:12:15.756 that uh little Evie uh pointed to the him on the facetime 04:12:16.256 --> 04:12:21.486 and said to her mom, he is my friend. But so I 04:12:21.496 --> 04:12:27.826 was very touched and very jealous. 04:12:27.826 --> 04:12:32.275 Uh I am just excited to celebrate my uh baby girl's 04:12:32.285 --> 04:12:35.486 eighth birthday on Sunday. So, um I, I feel like I 04:12:35.496 --> 04:12:39.496 spent half my time on this board pregnant and so many 04:12:39.506 --> 04:12:43.596 of you all got to see um me pregnant with her uh 04:12:43.606 --> 04:12:46.547 eight years ago. So I get to celebrate her Sunday. 04:12:49.437 --> 04:12:53.856 Um Good meeting everyone. I appreciate everyone working 04:12:53.866 --> 04:12:58.876 together. So. Well, um good news. I'm almost an empty 04:12:58.885 --> 04:13:03.275 nester. I'm very proud of my two little ladies and 04:13:03.285 --> 04:13:07.515 in our last one, she'll be graduating in May. So, um 04:13:07.525 --> 04:13:12.437 that's gonna be a different life for me. 04:13:12.437 --> 04:13:15.427 Thank you. I want to start by thanking all of y'all 04:13:15.437 --> 04:13:18.206 for speaking so passionately about teachers and making 04:13:18.216 --> 04:13:22.145 sure the teaching profession, you know, is, is prioritized 04:13:22.155 --> 04:13:24.905 I do thank y'all for that discussion so much. But um 04:13:24.917 --> 04:13:27.655 I do want to share. I did win my primary for the 04:13:27.667 --> 04:13:31.525 Texas House of Representatives. Thank you and thank 04:13:31.535 --> 04:13:33.655 y'all for calling and checking on me. Thank you so 04:13:33.667 --> 04:13:36.836 much. I do not have an opponent in November, so I am 04:13:36.846 --> 04:13:40.477 done. So I'll be very excited to continue working with 04:13:40.486 --> 04:13:50.145 y'all, but over across the street. 04:13:50.145 --> 04:13:53.586 Well, I think I've probably captured everything as 04:13:53.596 --> 04:13:55.356 it relates to the permanent school fund. I just wanted 04:13:55.366 --> 04:13:58.927 to relate a story just is that I have, I have 1/4 04:13:58.937 --> 04:14:03.616 grade granddaughter that was taking a uh a, a star 04:14:03.626 --> 04:14:06.506 practice exam in, in mathematics and she came home 04:14:06.515 --> 04:14:09.645 and, and uh she, she was, she was really depressed 04:14:09.655 --> 04:14:11.846 He said dad II, I didn't do as well as I as 04:14:11.856 --> 04:14:15.986 as I hoped. And uh she said so well. Did you pass 04:14:15.996 --> 04:14:17.836 Well, yeah, but I didn't get them. All right. Well 04:14:17.846 --> 04:14:22.427 she missed one question. 04:14:22.427 --> 04:14:24.145 There's room for improvement. So like I said, we're 04:14:24.155 --> 04:14:26.807 working on her maybe having, you know, healthy goals 04:14:26.817 --> 04:14:30.227 you know, like that. And so, but anyway, so I just 04:14:30.236 --> 04:14:31.917 wanted to relate that with. We thought that was kind 04:14:31.927 --> 04:14:35.227 of funny. And so 04:14:35.227 --> 04:14:37.606 thank the board and everyone who took part in that 04:14:37.616 --> 04:14:40.106 Mr Mayor and know who got that gavel on the kind resolution 04:14:40.116 --> 04:14:42.227 and all the kind words and the cards you sent. I miss 04:14:42.236 --> 04:14:44.885 being in that chair where it's all praised and no complaints 04:14:44.895 --> 04:14:48.535 ever. 04:14:48.535 --> 04:14:51.797 Yeah, I think we may be having different experiences 04:14:53.427 --> 04:14:57.285 No, but I want to. This is, this is a team, this 04:14:57.297 --> 04:15:00.006 is a group of, of common people working all towards 04:15:00.015 --> 04:15:02.145 the same goal. And I've appreciated that as my time 04:15:02.155 --> 04:15:05.876 as chair of, of the institution of the this, this body 04:15:05.885 --> 04:15:08.006 and what it all means, this is bigger than any of us 04:15:08.437 --> 04:15:11.535 This is the state Board of Education that, that guides 04:15:11.547 --> 04:15:13.866 education for the State of Texas. I think sometimes 04:15:13.876 --> 04:15:18.456 we, we might forget how important what we do here is 04:15:18.466 --> 04:15:22.086 and just that, that extreme responsibility we have 04:15:22.096 --> 04:15:25.086 but I just wanna make sure we all remember what important 04:15:25.096 --> 04:15:28.486 position we have here and, and I missed my time, but 04:15:28.876 --> 04:15:33.177 uh chair Kinsey is doing a fantastic job. Um I wanna 04:15:33.557 --> 04:15:36.977 uh just give you praise for, for how you've run the 04:15:36.986 --> 04:15:38.846 meetings. I didn't get a chance to say this as I was 04:15:38.856 --> 04:15:42.256 gone at the, the last meeting last time, but uh looking 04:15:42.265 --> 04:15:44.405 forward to supporting you and, and the work you're 04:15:44.417 --> 04:15:47.956 doing to, to guide us into the future. Thank you, Doctor 04:15:47.966 --> 04:15:50.645 Ellis. I appreciate that. 04:15:50.645 --> 04:15:53.385 Um I just want to welcome Doctor Ellis back into the 04:15:53.395 --> 04:15:56.986 circle. Um I have seen a whole different side of him 04:15:57.187 --> 04:16:00.346 uh this meeting than I usually do. He's rolled over 04:16:00.356 --> 04:16:04.427 He's chatting with me like, like a little sidebar thing 04:16:04.437 --> 04:16:06.866 Um There's a whole other side to doctor Ellis, I did 04:16:06.876 --> 04:16:11.427 not know existed. I know, not nearly as boring as I 04:16:11.437 --> 04:16:15.145 thought you were. So, um, 04:16:15.145 --> 04:16:19.856 anyway, um, we, uh, life is, is great on the lake at 04:16:19.866 --> 04:16:23.326 Lake Livingston and we had the opportunity to offer 04:16:23.336 --> 04:16:28.937 up our first, um, Easter sunrise service at our home 04:16:28.946 --> 04:16:32.672 on the lake. And it was a beautiful, um, it would have 04:16:32.682 --> 04:16:35.812 been even better if it wouldn't have been cloudy in 04:16:35.821 --> 04:16:39.182 the skies, but we were pleasantly surprised to have 04:16:39.192 --> 04:16:44.731 about 32 members come and at 630 in the morning at 04:16:44.741 --> 04:16:49.102 our home on the lake and celebrate uh Easter sunrise 04:16:49.111 --> 04:16:54.041 service. Um God is good and he continues to bless us 04:16:54.051 --> 04:16:57.720 every single day. So, um nothing but good news over 04:16:57.732 --> 04:17:02.045 here. Thank you. 04:17:02.045 --> 04:17:05.666 Um Again, I just wanna thank spec and the team, Emily 04:17:05.676 --> 04:17:09.946 and her team. Um I've asked them for a lot of information 04:17:09.956 --> 04:17:14.627 and for um a lot of back history and back story. So 04:17:14.637 --> 04:17:16.946 I just wanna tell them. Thank you for their hard work 04:17:16.956 --> 04:17:21.805 this week. And uh last week, I'm happy to report Sboe 04:17:21.815 --> 04:17:25.456 seven survived the eclipse. 04:17:25.456 --> 04:17:28.516 Um I, I love the meme. That's all Dairy queen meme 04:17:28.526 --> 04:17:31.045 where it said it, it's the eclipse, not the apocalypse 04:17:31.055 --> 04:17:33.966 So, yeah, we're doing well. Uh like remember young 04:17:34.006 --> 04:17:38.196 is saying, God just continues to bless and very thankful 04:17:38.206 --> 04:17:42.887 to be part of this board and to serve my district leading 04:17:42.897 --> 04:17:46.916 education for Texas to be number one in education. 04:17:47.157 --> 04:17:49.637 So I'm just gonna say, God bless my district and God 04:17:49.647 --> 04:18:02.436 bless Texas. 04:18:02.436 --> 04:18:07.756 I just recently picked up five year olds, Sunday school 04:18:08.055 --> 04:18:13.736 So it's a, it's a new, uh, arena and I, what my 04:18:13.746 --> 04:18:18.367 thoughts were all the time I was teaching is how I 04:18:18.585 --> 04:18:22.335 thought secondary was a difficult job, but I always 04:18:22.345 --> 04:18:25.946 respected the elementary person and they figured they 04:18:25.956 --> 04:18:29.036 had the hardest job and I think they're right. I was 04:18:29.045 --> 04:18:32.887 correct in that assumption. But uh it's something kind 04:18:32.897 --> 04:18:36.117 of fun. 04:18:36.117 --> 04:18:41.607 Remember, child? 04:18:41.607 --> 04:18:44.555 Thank you. I just wanted, I just wanted to briefly 04:18:44.565 --> 04:18:49.176 say thank you to member Francis and member Ortega member 04:18:49.186 --> 04:18:53.345 Brooks and Miss Yolanda Walker and member Young for 04:18:53.357 --> 04:18:56.496 supporting my documentary that premiered in District 04:18:56.506 --> 04:18:59.811 Four in February. They're very supportive and they 04:18:59.821 --> 04:19:03.041 sent their prayers and their well wishes and I appreciate 04:19:03.051 --> 04:19:06.581 that a lot of uh young people and adults across the 04:19:06.591 --> 04:19:09.680 district really enjoyed it. And now we're submitting 04:19:09.690 --> 04:19:12.641 it to film festivals and we actually won our first 04:19:12.651 --> 04:19:16.102 film festival award. So I just wanted to say thank 04:19:16.111 --> 04:19:18.420 you to those members for supporting me because that 04:19:18.430 --> 04:19:31.617 was a very interesting experience. 04:19:31.617 --> 04:19:37.196 OK. Well, thank you all for a good productive week 04:19:37.206 --> 04:19:41.085 Lots of discussion. Uh Lots of things to reflect on 04:19:41.095 --> 04:19:44.157 probably from Tuesday afternoon specifically and, and 04:19:44.166 --> 04:19:47.085 kind of chew on between now and the next meeting. Uh 04:19:47.095 --> 04:19:51.496 Doctor Ellis, I would like to thank you for not only 04:19:51.506 --> 04:19:55.696 your service as chair as we did earlier, but also um 04:19:55.706 --> 04:20:00.166 your mentoring and assistance as I've gotten up to 04:20:00.176 --> 04:20:04.256 speed. Um It's been incredibly helpful and you've been 04:20:04.266 --> 04:20:08.647 very gracious with me and patient with me as I learn 04:20:08.907 --> 04:20:13.776 the new role. So I would like to just extend my heartfelt 04:20:13.786 --> 04:20:17.897 Thank you to um to you as we've done this transition 04:20:17.907 --> 04:20:21.227 So I really appreciate it. I look forward to seeing 04:20:21.236 --> 04:20:28.266 everybody in here back in June for another probably 04:20:28.276 --> 04:20:32.157 busier week than this one actually. So sleep a lot 04:20:32.166 --> 04:20:35.127 between now and then. 04:20:35.127 --> 04:20:37.647 If there's no more business, we're gonna call adjourn